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00:00 cisoun any 0.4.4 server ?
00:01 Octupus Can any1 who is good with mods how do i make a mesepick instant?
00:02 Octupus im making a mod how do i make the blocks instant
00:02 Octupus *pick
00:02 marktraceur Octupus: Would you elaborate on that, please?
00:03 Octupus im making apick and i want it to be instant
00:03 marktraceur Octupus: Then wherever you see a smallish number, add a really big number. Tada!!!!
00:04 marktraceur Or maybe it's the other way 'round. I don't know.
00:04 NakedFury cisoun: I think all minetest.org 30000 to 30014 servers are 0.4.4
00:04 Octupus marktraceur u are talking about the uses
00:05 Octupus RealBadAngel,how do i make a block instant
00:05 Octupus *pick
00:05 cisoun NakedFury: weird I can't reach any server...
00:06 NakedFury it is up
00:07 NakedFury im connecting
00:07 cisoun damn
00:07 cisoun I made a mistake at one entry
00:07 cisoun nevermind
00:07 VanessaE hi all.
00:07 NakedFury there is an european server too but i dont remember the name now
00:07 NakedFury maybe europe.minetest.org
00:08 VanessaE cisoun: there's also my lagfest...er...server at 24.181.193.82 port 30000
00:10 cisoun this white font in the menu is getting me crazy
00:10 cisoun I can't see what I'm typing
00:10 cisoun FFFFUUUUUUUUUUU-
00:10 VanessaE your version of irrlicht is too new, no?
00:11 cisoun wait
00:11 cisoun 1.8-1
00:11 hohoho joined #minetest
00:11 Octupus hi VanessaE
00:11 VanessaE that's too new
00:11 VanessaE MT only works right with the 1.7 series I guess
00:11 cisoun meh...
00:12 cisoun goddamn media files are slow to download on minetest.org
00:12 cisoun I should go to sleep
00:14 VanessaE nooooo
00:14 hohoho lol sleep is for the deaaaad
00:15 * hohoho wishes he could remember his registered nicks password.. or password to email :/
00:15 hohoho <-- RAPHAEL
00:15 hohoho lol
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00:18 iqualfragile the new design of http://minetest.net is nice
00:18 moltenbot iqualfragiles link: About - Minetest
00:18 NakedFury yep it is
00:19 hohoho I agree it is nice as well
00:20 Octupus wow im helping with 2 mods and making my own at the same time i feel special
00:21 NakedFury dammit I just ate and im still hungry
00:23 Octupus NakedFury,its the way of life
00:34 VanessaE OldCoder: minor update to plantlife if you are interested.
00:38 moltenbot joined #minetest
00:39 iqualfragile NakedFury: the bot also posts youtube-video-titles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIXUgtNC4Kc
00:39 moltenbot iqualfragiles link: Die Antwoord - "Fatty Boom Boom" (Official Video) - YouTube
00:40 NakedFury didnt know that
00:41 babyface1031 OldCoder you still here
00:49 VanessaE apparently not
00:49 VanessaE now THAT is a handy function for the bot.
00:49 NakedFury he said bbl
00:49 VanessaE translate a youtube link into a human-readable title.
00:56 OldCoder Back
00:56 OldCoder babyface1031, I was out as announced above but am back
00:57 NakedFury welcome back
00:57 babyface1031 ok i saw i didnt knwo if you got back yet
00:57 babyface1031 but i played with the code on the bridges and was able to get it to work with one change
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00:59 babyface1031 if you change where it says WOOD = stairs:wood_slab  to WOOD = default:wood it works
01:00 marktraceur babyface1031: And by "works" you mean "is easier"?
01:00 marktraceur babyface1031: The documented craft recipe uses wood slabs, as I understand it
01:00 sdzen I would believe so whats wrong with wood slabs?
01:00 babyface1031 no we coiuldnt get the recipe to work when it was the wood slab i
01:00 LandMineMT joined #minetest
01:01 LandMineMT wassssusp
01:01 marktraceur babyface1031: Make sure the name for wood slabs hasn't changed?
01:01 sdzen ello landmine
01:01 bulletrulz LandMineMT, Hello
01:01 sdzen done any greiving lately?
01:01 LandMineMT nah
01:01 LandMineMT busy with school
01:01 LandMineMT i was playing on a pvp server
01:01 LandMineMT but its not that fun
01:01 LandMineMT im super pro
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01:02 marktraceur babyface1031: New stairs seems to use slab_MATERIAL, rather than the other way 'round. I'd suggest submitting a patch.
01:03 babyface1031 ok i will try that to see if that works cause slabs would make more since
01:04 LandMineMT hey babyface1031 you miss me gurl????
01:05 babyface1031 i re looked at the code it does say stairs:slab_wood on the code
01:05 Octupus hi LandMineMT
01:05 LandMineMT hi octu
01:06 Octupus i was on the pvp server but they shut it down :(
01:06 LandMineMT yeah did he say why?
01:09 Octupus no
01:09 Octupus all ik i killed a dude who had 14 stacks of mithril :D
01:10 LandMineMT wow
01:10 LandMineMT i stole most of chadggg stuff
01:10 LandMineMT if you went to his mine shaft
01:10 LandMineMT you would find open chest with stuff in it
01:10 LandMineMT im so smart lol
01:11 LandMineMT what i did was this
01:11 LandMineMT i made a teleporter
01:11 LandMineMT so when you toss an object with Q over a teleporter
01:11 LandMineMT it teleports
01:11 LandMineMT so i made a teleporter everytime my inventory was full
01:11 LandMineMT and teleport it all to spawn lol
01:12 LandMineMT then when i was over stealing his stuff
01:12 LandMineMT i went and saved everything in chest
01:12 LandMineMT had to telepoort my whole inventory 4 times
01:12 LandMineMT all full with diamonds and titanium
01:13 babyface1031 marktracerur i think i found the proble but not positive the recipe for a stair:slab_wood it the same and a wood pressure plate
01:13 marktraceur babyface1031: That may be it. Also, learn to tab-complete
01:14 Octupus b4 i take a picture of my mod shud i add tnt to it after all it is a tool moid :D
01:14 babyface1031 tab complete?
01:14 Octupus lol
01:15 Octupus im going to make a tnt :)
01:15 Octupus so i had 4 tools and tnt
01:15 babyface1031 Octupus do you know what mod it the wood slab other that stairs
01:15 Octupus stairs
01:17 babyface1031 i have made wood slab with 3 wood on the bottom of the craft grid i was wondering what mod that is cause it wont work in the bridge mod
01:18 marktraceur babyface1031: Type "mar" and then press tab, in your IRC window.
01:18 babyface1031 marktraceur: oh neat
01:18 babyface1031 ty
01:18 marktraceur babyface1031: No problem
01:20 babyface1031 now if i could figure out what mod it the 3 wood on the bottom to make a slab i could fix the bridge mod right
01:20 marktraceur babyface1031: Alternatively, change the recipe yourself and be on your way
01:22 Octupus wow that is so easy now i dont need to type ut the whole name
01:22 babyface1031 Octupus: we both learned something new :D
01:22 marktraceur Octupus: Sadly tab-complete for normal words is still a distant dream :)
01:22 Octupus :)
01:22 Octupus babyface1031, can i do the idea with the colours of the glass
01:23 Octupus with green blue and green
01:23 Octupus *red :D
01:23 babyface1031 still looking at codes to learn a lil more first
01:24 marktraceur babyface1031: If you have questions, we're always happy to help! :)
01:24 marktraceur babyface1031: #minetest-mods e.g.
01:24 babyface1031 ok i just started playing with mods since i liked the bridge mod and it didnt work so i tryed to fix it
01:26 babyface1031 OldCoder: i just tryed it with a diffrent wood slab and it work i used the moreblocks:slab_wood in the code
01:28 OldCoder Oh?
01:28 OldCoder For bridges?
01:28 OldCoder Could you make a paste that explains how to do it? Or post to the mod thread at the forum?
01:30 Octupus OldCoder, i got a mod for you in about 10 - 15 mins
01:30 Octupus :D
01:34 OldCoder Octupus, Hi
01:34 OldCoder k
01:34 Octupus hello
01:36 Octupus OldCoder,hello https://github.com/Octupuslegs/Blocks/downloads
01:37 Octupus octutool is the 1
01:37 Octupus is there a forum moderator that can move my topic?
01:37 * marktraceur is going to start carrying around large foam blocks with URLs painted on them
01:37 marktraceur "Hello sir" *throws large foam block at person*
01:37 Octupus VanessaE,can u do this for me?
01:38 bulletrulz GIVE ME 20 DOLLARS
01:38 OldCoder Octupus, Reviewing
01:38 marktraceur bulletrulz: No.
01:38 Octupus :)
01:39 OldCoder Octupus, This is an update of the mod I call octublock, right?
01:40 Octupus no
01:40 OldCoder https://github.com/downloads/Octupuslegs/Blocks/octublock.zip
01:40 VanessaE Octupus: kinda busy at the moment - can you please add a post to the "mod move requests" thread?  thanks.
01:40 OldCoder Octupus, I have that one; is it the same?
01:40 Octupus ok :)
01:40 OldCoder https://github.com/downloads/Octupuslegs/Blocks/octublock.zip
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01:40 OldCoder babyface1031, Hi
01:40 Octupus hi face
01:40 Octupus oldcoderthere is 2 files in the
01:40 babyface1031 hi sorry about that i think i timed out
01:40 OldCoder Octupus, octublock and octutool.
01:41 OldCoder Update and new mod
01:41 Octupus *there i stopped developping octublock for a little
01:41 OldCoder is that right?
01:41 OldCoder Update and new mod ?
01:41 Octupus just new mod
01:41 babyface1031 OldCoder: did you see what i said about the bridge mod?
01:41 Octupus i need need to make better textures for octublock
01:41 OldCoder babyface1031, yes
01:41 OldCoder babyface1031, Will you post an explanation of how to use it to the mod thread? And should I keep the mod?
01:42 babyface1031 the mod works other that where it uses stair:slab_wood
01:42 OldCoder Octupus, Update and new mod?
01:42 OldCoder babyface1031, can you explain?
01:42 babyface1031 stair:slab_wood and the presure plates are the same recipe
01:43 OldCoder babyface1031, if it's all right, explain a bit
01:43 OldCoder Octupus, Update and new mod?
01:43 OldCoder Both?
01:43 Octupus just new mod friend :)
01:44 Octupus update not yet prob start to make better texture tomorrow
01:44 OldCoder all right
01:44 Octupus gracias again OC
01:45 OldCoder Sure
01:45 OldCoder octutool going in shortly
01:45 babyface1031 when making the bridge basis it uses a wood slab and the wood slab it uses that recipe is the same as the presure plate so when you try to make a stair:slab_wood in the craft window you get a wood presure plate
01:45 OldCoder babyface1031, should I keep bridges then?
01:45 OldCoder babyface1031, I am sorry but I don't follow. Is there a way to make bridges work?
01:45 babyface1031 as long as we change the wood slab to a slab ppl can make
01:46 OldCoder babyface1031, should I change the mod?
01:47 babyface1031 yes i was trying to see waht wood slab is that we can make to change it too but i dont know what mod it is in the the recipe is wood in the bottom 3 spots in the craft window
01:47 OldCoder babyface1031, I'd better remove bridges until the explanation is clear
01:47 babyface1031 ok
01:47 OldCoder Not sure I follow; can bridges be made to work?
01:47 Octupus well im done with octublock/ool tonight
01:47 OldCoder Octupus, adding in a minute
01:47 Octupus OC yes by changing the slab to a regular wooden block
01:48 OldCoder Octupus, I will patch the mod then
01:48 OldCoder Hold on
01:48 Octupus ik i mean like im tired and my brain hurts to continue
01:48 Octupus :D
01:48 OldCoder Octupus, then relax!
01:48 Octupus XD :D
01:48 OldCoder Really
01:48 Octupus what?
01:48 OldCoder Relax and have fun
01:49 Octupus ooo yes
01:49 OldCoder stairs:slab_wood
01:49 Octupus now i am building ma house :)
01:49 OldCoder Good
01:49 OldCoder What should this be:
01:49 OldCoder stairs:slab_wood
01:49 OldCoder ?
01:49 Octupus default:wood
01:49 OldCoder Octupus, babyface1031 ?
01:49 OldCoder That is all
01:49 OldCoder I change and it may work?
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01:49 babyface1031 yes if it is that it does work
01:49 Octupus face said it did
01:49 OldCoder We will try it now!
01:49 Octupus :D
01:49 OldCoder Changes coming in a minute
01:50 OldCoder octutool added! bridges fixed!
01:50 babyface1031 ok
01:50 leo_in-game <singleplayer> I forgot about the IRC mod. I was like "why are people talking to me in singleplayer!?"
01:50 OldCoder Are there any other mod changes or additions at this time?
01:50 babyface1031 i dont think
01:51 marktraceur OldCoder: I have released my modpack, but no need to add it :)
01:51 OldCoder marktraceur, what is in it?
01:51 OldCoder Link to thread is?
01:51 marktraceur OldCoder: Transactors, which I think you saw already, and factories
01:51 OldCoder They are high CPU?
01:52 marktraceur OldCoder: I haven't tested with more than one or two, but it shouldn't be too bad
01:52 marktraceur OldCoder: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3804
01:52 moltenbot marktraceurs link: [Modpack] Industry Pack 0.1.1 (Page 1) - Mod Releases - Minetest Forums
01:52 OldCoder Interesting; I will review in the near future
01:52 OldCoder Perhaps a Factories World
01:52 babyface1031 marktraceur: i have yours on singleplayer testing them
01:52 OldCoder Worlds are cycling!
01:52 * VanessaE pokes OldCoder in his private messages. ;)
01:53 OldCoder VanessaE, k
01:54 OldCoder Octupus, do you wish octutool in most of the worlds or just 30004?
01:55 Octupus OC what ever u wish to do :D
01:56 OldCoder Octupus, babyface1031 others: restarting
01:57 babyface1031 ok
01:57 OldCoder Test Bridges. Test Octutool.
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01:58 Octupus Sapo
01:59 babyface1031 the bridge mod works now
02:00 Octupus i gtg in 5 mins
02:00 Octupus its late here
02:02 Octupus gtg every1 have a good night
02:07 LandMineMT omg!!! a was stung by a bee!!! i know this is gods punishment for not going to church on sunday
02:08 bulletrulz LandMineMT, lol
02:08 bulletrulz god wont punish you if u did not go to church
02:08 bulletrulz if he exsiscts
02:09 OldCoder babyface1031, ty!
02:09 babyface1031 no problem
02:09 bulletrulz babyface1031, im a heel
02:09 LandMineMT bulletrulz he does exist...
02:10 bulletrulz LandMineMT, maybe maybe not
02:10 bulletrulz he could exsist
02:10 LandMineMT wait...why are you saying that? he DOES exist...there is no arguing abou tit
02:10 bulletrulz LandMineMT, where is your proof?
02:11 marktraceur bulletrulz: Meet LandMineMT, he's a troll
02:11 bulletrulz exactly
02:11 babyface1031 what is a good program to make textures of mods
02:11 bulletrulz marktraceur, i know
02:11 marktraceur babyface1031: GIMP
02:11 bulletrulz but LandMineMT got any proof?
02:11 bulletrulz Nope
02:12 bulletrulz so in all probalitiy he does not exist
02:12 marktraceur bulletrulz: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
02:12 bulletrulz marktraceur, it is
02:12 bulletrulz LOL
02:12 bulletrulz if theres no evidence
02:12 LandMineMT there doesnt have to be prove
02:12 LandMineMT its like air
02:12 bulletrulz then he hasnt done anything
02:13 LandMineMT you cant see it
02:13 LandMineMT but you can feel it
02:13 bulletrulz God Might exist but i Dont think he does
02:13 LandMineMT he does
02:13 bulletrulz He might agian but in all probalitlty he doesent
02:13 LandMineMT OldCoder help me out on this....
02:13 marktraceur This has to be the least intelligent conversation about religion I've ever seen
02:14 bulletrulz ok god make me quit irc right now
02:14 marktraceur Oh, hey, and the least on topic
02:14 khonkhortisan hi LandMineMT
02:14 bulletrulz well im saying that he could exist but most likely does not!
02:14 LandMineMT lol bulletrulz your funny
02:14 LandMineMT everyone knows god doesnt have internet
02:14 bulletrulz See
02:14 bulletrulz Ok if gods real turn the tv off
02:15 bulletrulz Still on
02:15 bulletrulz God Most likely is a myth
02:15 iqualfragile there is no god
02:15 iqualfragile there ist just CN
02:15 bulletrulz iqualfragile, i agree
02:15 iqualfragile !joke
02:15 moltenbot "iqualfragile  destroyed the periodic table, because iqualfragile  only recognizes the element of surprise."
02:15 bulletrulz oh
02:15 bulletrulz well ok
02:15 khonkhortisan god may not exist but most likely does
02:15 * marktraceur sighs
02:16 bulletrulz khonkhortisan, no most likely not
02:16 marktraceur Ops of #minetest, please just ban these people.
02:16 khonkhortisan and I've heard a response to 'do x if you exist in the next five minutes' being 'you can't exhaust the patience of god in five minutes'
02:16 khonkhortisan we have to be doing something bad to be banned
02:17 marktraceur khonkhortisan: Flame wars over religion definitely applies.
02:17 khonkhortisan can't have the word BAnneD without BAD
02:17 OldCoder LandMineMT, On what?
02:17 OldCoder *scroll*
02:17 LandMineMT the fact that god exist
02:17 LandMineMT i say yes
02:17 LandMineMT everyone says no
02:17 OldCoder Oh... I'd need to think earlier in the day
02:17 OldCoder Can you say what God is?
02:17 OldCoder To you?
02:17 * marktraceur cannot believe this
02:18 khonkhortisan hehe
02:18 marktraceur A) Off topic in the worst way
02:18 OldCoder marktraceur, It is polite off-topic
02:18 khonkhortisan doesn't look flaming to me
02:18 OldCoder Better than bots you must admit
02:18 marktraceur B) Alienating to atheists, agnostics, and non-judeo-christian religions.
02:18 OldCoder LandMineMT, Go ahead
02:18 marktraceur So no, not better than bots, totally worse.
02:18 khonkhortisan like "Your god's stupid!" "No, YOUR god's stupid" would be flaming
02:18 OldCoder marktraceur, Just asking what the meaning is
02:18 OldCoder khonkhortisan is right; this seems more philosophical
02:19 LandMineMT marktraceur if you have nothing to add to the current topic keep quite
02:19 khonkhortisan atheism is a religion and deserves no more and no less religious protection than other religions
02:19 marktraceur khonkhortisan: Even if we were to assume that saying "God exists" doesn't alienate some religions, you're alienating atheists and agnostics.
02:19 OldCoder marktraceur, by asking what is meant?
02:19 * marktraceur wonders why he even bothers
02:19 * OldCoder considers
02:19 OldCoder marktraceur, you bother because you are sharp
02:19 OldCoder and to the point
02:19 OldCoder This is good
02:20 marktraceur I mean, I'm happy to see discussions about religion, but as I keep having to point out, this is #minetest.
02:20 OldCoder marktraceur, you are correct
02:20 LandMineMT marktraceur denying god will only not bless you in the future
02:20 OldCoder Off topic is permitted
02:20 OldCoder a bit
02:20 OldCoder LandMineMT, but there you make his point for him...
02:20 khonkhortisan I can see how saying "God exists" could alienate an atheist, but an agnostic? Don't agnostics believe they don't know whether god exists?
02:20 OldCoder what is God to you?
02:21 marktraceur LandMineMT: You're absolutely correct, so I'd better go hide.
02:21 marktraceur left #minetest
02:21 LandMineMT good
02:21 LandMineMT now we can talk
02:21 LandMineMT bulletrulz do you have prove jahova doesnt exist?
02:21 khonkhortisan lol@hiding
02:22 hohoho LandMineMT why pushing religious talk? I go for a stroll and come back to religious debate
02:22 OldCoder Restarting worlds with minor fixes
02:22 hohoho lol
02:22 khonkhortisan יְהֹוָה
02:22 OldCoder The Word
02:22 hohoho I personally believe in a divine essence however each has their own right to believe what they want without harassment from others lol
02:23 khonkhortisan I think it was gloop I had a similar discussion with here some time ago
02:23 hohoho discussion is fine. confrontation about ones beliefs imo isn't fine
02:23 LandMineMT hohoho your a devil worshiper
02:23 khonkhortisan like that kind of confrontation
02:23 hohoho lol LandMineMT name calling doesn't help your case
02:24 khonkhortisan the person hid that I was going to ask how saying god exists alienates agnostics :(
02:24 LandMineMT im not name calling
02:24 hohoho for one the "devil" is a creation of the Catholic Church
02:24 hohoho look it up
02:24 khonkhortisan You're a [insert name here] = calling someone [same name]
02:24 khonkhortisan hohoho, I haven't heard that before
02:24 hohoho and two there is no speak of hell in the bible. the closest reference when reading original languages is a trash pit
02:25 hohoho so your statement that I am a devil worshiper is invalid
02:25 hohoho lol
02:25 khonkhortisan Would you also say there's no heaven, but only paradise?
02:25 hohoho I personally believe in reincarnation based on experiences and my own research
02:25 hohoho how long it goes on im not sure
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02:26 LandMineMT reincarnation doesnt exist
02:26 khonkhortisan yuck, that's the only problem with reincarnation is how long it goes on - and how you lose your memory
02:26 * hohoho hasn't lost all his memory
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02:27 iqualfragile god does not exist
02:27 OldCoder Round trees are square again; this should speed things up
02:27 khonkhortisan hohoho, I'm not finding the catholic church devil creation
02:28 bulletrulz Lol i dont believe in the devel either
02:29 hohoho khonkhortisan its out there but im not interested in trying to find it again. did this research one for my own benefit. don't care to repeat it lol
02:29 hohoho basically the findings were basically the devil and hell were created by the catholic church
02:29 khonkhortisan One thing is for sure, either you have a soul or the clinical definition for death is too soon.
02:30 LandMineMT hohoho does evil exist?
02:30 khonkhortisan Then the protestants picked up the idea from them?
02:30 khonkhortisan My religion class wasn't that good
02:31 hohoho as for a soul.. I've seen some "evidence" supporting a possibility of past lives. I've also been lucky enough to meet someone from a past life in this life and they remember as well. they came to me with their memory and it lined up with the events from mine. he had no idea at the time of my memory
02:32 LandMineMT Evil does not exist. Just as in the previous cases, Evil is a term which man has created to describe the result of the absence of God's presence in the hearts of man
02:32 khonkhortisan I've seen evidence both ways, and can't explain either away
02:32 khonkhortisan LandMineMT, that doesn't make sense
02:32 LandMineMT of course it does
02:32 LandMineMT thats what einstien said
02:33 LandMineMT and hohoho i htought that you loose your memory when you reincarnate
02:33 LandMineMT you just contradicted yourself
02:33 khonkhortisan some people keep partial memory, so I've heard
02:33 hohoho I never said you lost your memory on reincarnation
02:33 hohoho I don't have full memory of past lives but I do remember bits and pieces. usually days before and of death
02:34 hohoho I presume such a traumatic experience gets remembered easier
02:34 bulletrulz hohoho, really i do too
02:34 hohoho lol I've been shot stabbed fallen to my death hanged etc etc
02:34 hohoho and remember those deaths including the feelings and sensations ~_~
02:35 LandMineMT so you just remember your deaths?
02:35 LandMineMT then how do you say you remember this person?
02:35 khonkhortisan interesting
02:35 hohoho well so far 99% of the memories I've had is of last 2-3 days of life. but that 1% has been others
02:35 bulletrulz wierd i remember a couple deaths
02:35 khonkhortisan LandMineMT, so evil is just the absence of good?
02:36 LandMineMT yes in the hearts of men
02:36 hohoho there is no evil or good imo. there is just perception of events AS evil or good
02:36 OldCoder Wait
02:36 hohoho to an "evil" man, an "evil" event is "good"
02:36 bulletrulz i was killed
02:36 OldCoder Hell is the Absence of God
02:36 hohoho however there is action/reaction. I do believe in you reap what you sow. I also believe in what you do will come back to you.
02:37 khonkhortisan to an "evil" man, they do evil, other people do good. to an "insane" man, evil and good are reversed
02:37 hohoho do "good" get "good" etc
02:37 hohoho I also believe in treating others as I wish to be treated
02:38 hohoho however when it comes to organized religions, I have to say based on evidence they are a bunch of bullocks
02:38 hohoho of course people are free to believe what they wish
02:38 hohoho I won't stop them
02:38 hohoho lol
02:38 hohoho and yes I was raised a christian
02:38 khonkhortisan based on the idea that only one religion can be true, most organized religions are a bunch of bullocks
02:39 hohoho when it comes to a religion that someone is following I like to ask them to look into their religions history
02:39 hohoho what people did in the name of their religion
02:39 hohoho then decide if you want to really follow such
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02:39 LandMineMT_ god i hate my modem
02:39 LandMineMT_ it d/c
02:40 khonkhortisan I would use that argument against martyrdom
02:40 * hohoho comments not on LandMineMTs first message when they came back
02:40 LandMineMT_ anyhow i win the argument....god exist final worl
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02:40 khonkhortisan you missed much of the argument
02:40 hohoho lol
02:40 LandMineMT_ if you dont agree with me i will have my pal OldCoder ban you
02:40 khonkhortisan pal?
02:40 LandMineMT_ that statment there proves god exist
02:41 khonkhortisan haha wait I have a response, gotta read the wiki
02:41 LandMineMT_ pal...buddy
02:41 hohoho anyone narrow enough minded to ban someone because they don't believe what they believe shouldn't have authority
02:41 khonkhortisan "argumentum ad baculum"
02:41 OldCoder Is this an argument? It remains philosophical
02:42 khonkhortisan LandMineMT_ is right because if he wasn't right I'd be banned. Argumentum ad baculum.
02:42 hohoho I personally am not fond of most satanists due to most actions performed by satanists. however I will not "ban" them from a place I have authority over just on that issue
02:42 hohoho lol
02:43 khonkhortisan what I get from that last sentence is that you don't judge people by their character, but by their current actions
02:43 LandMineMT_ no
02:43 LandMineMT_ he is saying he is a satanist
02:43 hohoho well I try not to judge at all. however I do have bias over ones actions past and present.
02:43 MiJyn ?
02:43 khonkhortisan that's not at all what he's saying
02:44 hohoho if one has done much evil, I consider them evil. however if they change I will not hold their past against them
02:44 LandMineMT_ so if you had a sister....rapes her...but tells you he changed....you will let him in your home?
02:44 hohoho saying one has changed doesn't change one
02:44 hohoho actions speak louder than words
02:45 khonkhortisan using examples to test a  general statement seems to not go well
02:45 LandMineMT_ i willl you know this person who raped your sister changed?
02:45 LandMineMT_ with acions?
02:45 hohoho and yes if someone murdered my mother and truly was repentant of it and changed their ways away from the "evil". I would forgive.
02:45 hohoho christians are supposed to forgive as well
02:45 hohoho would you forgive such a person?
02:45 hohoho lol
02:46 LandMineMT_ who said i was christian?.....and no
02:46 hohoho judge not lest ye be judged
02:46 hohoho lol
02:46 khonkhortisan I remember there being a religion where if you really felt you had to do something, you could do it. It doesn't seem to stand up very well to specific scenarios.
02:46 hohoho sounds like that crap my brother was into
02:46 khonkhortisan do you know what it's called?
02:46 hohoho name escapes me
02:46 khonkhortisan me too
02:47 hohoho lol haven't thought of its name in over a year
02:47 hohoho thelema?
02:47 LandMineMT_ OldCoder ban hohoho he doesnt agree in my god views
02:48 OldCoder
02:48 OldCoder *scroll*
02:48 hohoho lol
02:48 khonkhortisan that would be religious discrimination
02:48 OldCoder I like this discussion
02:48 hohoho ban me if you wish but if you do on those grounds it will look incredibly bad on your part
02:48 khonkhortisan exactly
02:48 OldCoder I have no intention of banning people for polite discussion
02:49 hohoho mm jalapeno
02:49 OldCoder A religion?
02:49 hohoho mm jalapeno poppers*
02:49 khonkhortisan needs an ñ
02:49 OldCoder Sounds different
02:49 khonkhortisan Jalapeño
02:50 * khonkhortisan likes using fancy characters
02:50 hohoho it may make me sound "like a evil man" for saying this to many but in my perfect world there would be no organized religions. from looking at history the majority if not all has caused directly much "evil" in this world
02:51 khonkhortisan life would be better if the one true religion was the only religion. But if any religion gets that idea, life gets worse.
02:51 hohoho there is no one true religion imo
02:52 hohoho there are many paths to walk down
02:52 OldCoder Many lamps?
02:52 hohoho all eventually lead to same destination
02:52 khonkhortisan but that is in itself a religion (or a basis of one)
02:52 khonkhortisan the many paths vs. one path
02:52 hohoho that is a belief that I hold
02:52 hohoho not a religion exactly
02:52 khonkhortisan oh yeah that reminds me of an argument
02:54 khonkhortisan let's say there's two religions in the world. A believes there are two paths, B believes it's the only path. If A is true, you're okay believing either A or B. If B is true, you're only okay believing B. By the chances (if there's only two religions in the world) you're better off believing B. But with so many world religions, that argument doesn't hold.
02:54 LandMineMT_ i will personaly send a text mesage to god....he will send you all to darkest place and reincarnate you into rats for your sins
02:55 khonkhortisan okay, but you'll have to explain how your text message holds any more weight than anyone else's
02:55 hohoho but landminemt doesn't that go against "teachings of god"? unless you believe in some non christian or non islamic god
02:55 hohoho non jewish god as well
02:55 hohoho lol
02:56 hohoho as for previous statement, what is both religions are wrong?
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02:56 LandMineMT_ when did god say you cant shoot him a sMS?
02:56 hohoho what if say for sake of argument there is no paths. it is all a dream?
02:56 khonkhortisan that doesn't even matter, because there's more than two religions anyway
02:57 hohoho lol
02:57 khonkhortisan I have to assume at least one world religion is right
02:57 khonkhortisan iirc in islam isn't it that your good and bad deeds are balanced against each other and the only way to be sure the good will weigh more than the bad is martrdom?
02:57 LandMineMT_ if it was all a dream....we would all be gods dream
02:57 khonkhortisan or that one dream-in-a-dream movie
02:57 hohoho I presume no "organized" religions are right based on my over a decade of research
02:58 hohoho basically my opinion is everyone has it wrong. maybe I do as well
02:58 hohoho lol
02:58 khonkhortisan what do you mean by organized? You don't have to go to church and you can still be right?
02:58 hohoho I also say IF there was one true "god" that "got some ancient humans to write a book about them"... they sure did a crappy job at it
02:58 MiJyn I'm very sorry for interupting this interesting conversation, but how do you move fast in MT?
02:59 hohoho J
02:59 hohoho assuming you have fast priv
02:59 khonkhortisan maybe the modern humans did a crappy job translating :)
02:59 MiJyn thanks hohoho
02:59 khonkhortisan I changed it to h
02:59 hohoho if not flying you would hold I think its left shift while moving while J is enabled
02:59 khonkhortisan either shift or the "use" key
03:00 hohoho I have my use key set to E since that's how it "was"
03:00 hohoho its how I got used to it
03:00 hohoho lol
03:00 hohoho if a one true god wanted their "children" to follow rules. the book would be short and to the point. god is supposed to be perfect afterall
03:01 hohoho a simple list of laws/rules/commands with no fluff
03:01 khonkhortisan and the children are supposed to be imperfect, unable to just follow rules
03:01 OldCoder Free will
03:01 hohoho of course the bible as we know it today is basically the jewish bible mixed with other books put together by a pagan if im remembering correctly
03:01 khonkhortisan faith as a helper
03:01 hohoho and all books written by men
03:02 khonkhortisan and the islam bible says blasphemy about jesus according to christians
03:02 hohoho torah if I remember correct (referring to jewish bible)
03:02 khonkhortisan yep
03:02 hohoho for anyone who follows islam.. read the Koran closely and fully
03:03 hohoho for christians read the bible fully and closely as well
03:03 hohoho there is much many don't know about either
03:03 hohoho lol
03:03 hohoho excuse me
03:03 hohoho quran
03:03 * hohoho mental fumble
03:04 khonkhortisan Qu'ran, no?
03:04 hohoho close enough
03:04 LandMineMT_ hohoho you are retarded
03:04 hohoho im not a follower of islam
03:04 LandMineMT_ ou dont even know how to type it
03:04 OldCoder Focus on points and not people
03:04 LandMineMT_ everyhting you just said has become invalid
03:04 khonkhortisan neither am I, but I played a game called ur-quan masters that had aliens with different religions - never got near the end of the game
03:04 hohoho lol landminemt you have said much to make many of your arguments "invalid"
03:05 OldCoder Strive for common ground
03:05 LandMineMT_ just by talking to you my IQ dropped 30 points....hohoho
03:05 OldCoder What are you moving towards or away from?
03:05 hohoho however I don't like to nitpick what one says. it's the idea behind the words I look at
03:05 khonkhortisan I believe doorknobs should be worshipped! I'm an idiot for thinking so! Because I'm an idiot, you should ignore me no matter how well-thought out my arguments are! :P
03:05 hohoho for your information landminemt my iq has routinely tested over 135
03:05 hohoho but to me its but a number
03:05 khonkhortisan oh yeah iq tests
03:06 OldCoder Is this relative to either of you; in this context?
03:06 khonkhortisan I don't know mine
03:06 khonkhortisan iq is off-topic religion is off-topic minetest
03:06 hohoho everything is off topic
03:06 hohoho lol
03:06 OldCoder Is there a God in Minetest?
03:06 hohoho of course im all for going back on topic if someone wishes to discuss minetest
03:06 khonkhortisan no, god is really hard to program in
03:07 OldCoder I C
03:07 hohoho lol there are some mods that make you into a sort of god
03:07 hohoho insta-breaking of blocks
03:07 hohoho then you have fly
03:07 hohoho and fast
03:07 hohoho and teleport
03:07 OldCoder <RealBadAngel> well, god is also an old coder
03:07 OldCoder <OldCoder> Indeed
03:07 OldCoder <RealBadAngel> he wrote all that **** ages ago
03:07 OldCoder <OldCoder> It is a patchwork
03:07 OldCoder <OldCoder> Someday He will debug
03:07 OldCoder <OldCoder> On that day
03:07 khonkhortisan not the same, the programmer is more god than the player
03:07 OldCoder <OldCoder> We'll all need a hug
03:07 OldCoder <RealBadAngel> lol
03:07 OldCoder <VanessaE> heh
03:07 OldCoder <RealBadAngel> so no armaggeddon
03:07 OldCoder <RealBadAngel> just day of release stable
03:07 OldCoder Heh
03:07 OldCoder Just a fun bit
03:07 hohoho lol stable release
03:08 khonkhortisan nethack has god(s) programmed in
03:10 khonkhortisan when you die in a computer game, you come back at the same age, with full memory. That's neither reincarnation nor going to a better (or worse) place.
03:10 hohoho its similar to reincarnation
03:10 hohoho just instead of forgetting you remember
03:10 hohoho lol
03:10 khonkhortisan without being a baby and everything
03:10 sdzen hmmm I have a feeling I am jumping into a strange conversation I am seeing discussion of gods of some sort? Raphael who started it i cant scroll up high enough
03:11 khonkhortisan yep religious stuff
03:11 LandMineMT_ sdzen i did "_
03:11 hohoho landminemt
03:11 hohoho from their arguments id claim troll
03:11 hohoho but its been fun
03:11 hohoho lol
03:12 khonkhortisan "omg!!! a was stung by a bee!!! i know this is gods punishment for not going to church on sunday"
03:12 OldCoder Better than most discussions of this time
03:12 khonkhortisan landmine has already been claimed as a troll
03:12 LandMineMT_ btw the bee part wasnt a lie....it did sting me
03:12 LandMineMT_ it was sitting on my cup filled wtih cola
03:13 khonkhortisan and someone tried to put dirt on my foot when I got stung by a wasp what's up with that?
03:13 LandMineMT_ so i turned to grab it
03:13 LandMineMT_ without looking at it
03:13 LandMineMT_ felt a little thing on the edge
03:13 LandMineMT_ grabbed it
03:13 LandMineMT_ and got stung
03:13 VanessaE I don't believe G*d actively punishes people in this life, and assuming there is an afterlife, I expect what happens there is more of a cleansing process than punishment for your actions in this life.
03:14 khonkhortisan blesses and curses are much easier to understand
03:14 hohoho I believe punishment is due to your own doing
03:14 VanessaE like all those nitwits that claim (as in the bee sting) that shit like a hurricane is some kind of punishment
03:14 khonkhortisan or luck / kudos
03:15 sdzen I believe that God must have been an alien and the reason it is much less active in our lives today i because it is off making a better race
03:15 khonkhortisan hurricanes could easily be either natural or punishment
03:15 hohoho bee sting as an example. bees generally don't stink without cause
03:15 hohoho you have to provoke them
03:15 LandMineMT_ i grabbed
03:15 khonkhortisan lol@sdzen
03:15 LandMineMT_ it
03:15 Doc22 umm thats a sink bug
03:15 Doc22 stink*
03:15 Doc22 lol
03:15 VanessaE well if you burn them, they'll stink probably
03:15 MiJyn yeah, usually _don't_ stink
03:15 Doc22 lol
03:15 MiJyn *they
03:15 Doc22 you are thinking of stink beetle
03:15 khonkhortisan I don't believe in aliens. I'm a selfish race.
03:16 Doc22 well I live in roswell nm lol
03:16 sdzen care to describe the stink beetle? it may have been endangered
03:16 hohoho afk time for some minetest
03:16 Doc22 lol
03:16 LandMineMT_ there are many galaxys in the universe
03:16 LandMineMT_ each has its own suns and planets
03:16 khonkhortisan it has lines going between the front and back I think
03:16 Doc22 to say that we are the only beings is arrogent
03:16 LandMineMT_ pretty sure one of those has to have the perfect condicions for live to exist
03:16 Doc22 yes
03:16 sdzen and we are the one
03:17 sdzen XD
03:17 Doc22 just not in our solar system
03:17 khonkhortisan then why haven't we heard their tv/radio/cell/nuclear signals?
03:17 Doc22 we only know of one solar system
03:17 LandMineMT_ Doc22 exactly
03:17 khonkhortisan um, there's only one solar system because there's only one Sol.
03:17 khonkhortisan that's the only reason
03:17 LandMineMT_ khon do you go to school?
03:17 khonkhortisan yep
03:17 Doc22 the reason there isnt (known) life in any of the other planets is because the right spot from the sun
03:17 Doc22 is taken
03:18 sdzen with the vast expanse of the universe even if we ever heard of these organisms they would be long dead by the time we heard it
03:18 khonkhortisan no, there's probably enough sun-like systems out there
03:18 VanessaE Doc22: that and we don't have the technology to detect life yet - just the aftereffects of it--maybe.
03:18 khonkhortisan I think sdzen's reason is better than Doc22's
03:18 sdzen and most of those very very few life bearing planets will only support very basic life
03:18 hohoho statistically there are millions of "alien races" with a few capable of traversing the universe
03:18 Doc22 yeah
03:18 hohoho thing is which would even want to visit here?
03:18 hohoho lol
03:19 Doc22 there is not proof of life on planets
03:19 sdzen most likely unicellular organisms
03:19 Doc22 but there isnt proof agains tit
03:19 Doc22 either
03:19 hohoho anyway time for minetest, have stuff to build
03:19 VanessaE Doc22: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
03:19 hohoho ta ta
03:19 hohoho been nice chatting
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03:19 Doc22 exactly my point
03:20 khonkhortisan how likely is it that we created life on the moon?
03:20 khonkhortisan do you really trust the cleaning products nasa uses?
03:20 sdzen there is traces of organic matter and water has been found on mercury
03:20 VanessaE I believe as sdzen does, that there are far too many stars in the universe (or even the galaxy) to believe with any rationality that we are the only intelligent species in existence, let alone the only life, period (intelligent or not)
03:20 Doc22 I agree strongly
03:21 Doc22 the only reason that people "know" that there arent aliens is ignorance
03:21 VanessaE khonkhortisan: unless the life you refer to can survive in 250°C temperatures with no air and no water....  I doubt that's a problem for the moon.
03:21 LandMineMT_ finally something smart comes out of HER mouth
03:21 khonkhortisan the real argument is the religious one, whether God made one life-filled planet, or all life evolved
03:21 sdzen yes! the conversation has turned from religion to the universe!
03:21 VanessaE now mars?  that's a different matter.
03:21 LandMineMT_ yup and i started them BOTH hahha
03:22 khonkhortisan so you did.
03:22 VanessaE Doc22: they believe G*d created this and *only* this planet, therefore there can be no other planets with life.  QED.
03:22 khonkhortisan I think God created evolution.
03:22 Doc22 yes
03:22 VanessaE khonkhortisan: +1
03:22 sdzen +1
03:22 khonkhortisan What religion is it that has to say G*d instead of God or god?
03:22 LandMineMT_ hence god existe
03:23 Doc22 I don't know about evolution
03:23 LandMineMT_ i rest my case
03:23 Doc22 my arguement for evolution is this:
03:23 Doc22 where are the fossils for the t-rex/next evolution hybrid
03:23 OldCoder khonkhortisan, I believe more than one does not mention the Name
03:23 Doc22 surely a (next evolution) doesnt just pop out of a t rex because of chance
03:23 VanessaE Doc22: they died out before that could happen.  the extinction event 65Mya.
03:24 Doc22 yeah
03:24 Doc22 what I mean
03:24 VanessaE that big asteroid did a lot more than just leave a hole in the Yucatan peninsula.
03:24 Doc22 is where are the fossils between two evolutions
03:24 Doc22 humans
03:24 VanessaE you mean from dinos to mammals?
03:24 sdzen in my church the main arguement against evolution is that god punishes gay marriage with hurricanes and that evolution is a theory in itself.
03:24 Doc22 they have them
03:24 VanessaE there wasn't one
03:24 Doc22 but not for the dinosaurs
03:24 VanessaE totally different branch of life.
03:24 sdzen which one is plausible?
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03:24 Doc22 I don't believe in evolution
03:25 Doc22 but I dont believe against is
03:25 Doc22 it
03:25 Doc22 I don't know which to believe in
03:25 khonkhortisan evolution is a theory, but creationism doesn't automatically mean evolution can't be true
03:25 sdzen I dont believe anything because there is no theory out there without flaws
03:25 VanessaE Doc22: scientists have experimented with evolution in labs in the form of bacteria and of mice - they've seen tiny changes happen.
03:25 VanessaE evolution exists.
03:25 khonkhortisan theory of gravity
03:25 Dogzilla131 god made everything
03:25 khonkhortisan god didn't make the cheeseburger you bought from mcdonalds
03:26 sdzen even the theory of gravity may be disputed in the future
03:26 khonkhortisan ?
03:26 VanessaE Dogzilla131: if he made all that we see, and makes all people, explain gays in sdzen's context. :-)
03:26 Dogzilla131 the cows, wheat seeds, he did
03:26 LandMineMT_ he diudnt make the cheese burger but he made the cow which is a living bein
03:26 LandMineMT_ and made wheet
03:26 Doc22 Perhaps it does
03:27 sdzen cow? wheat? minecraft!
03:27 Doc22 I am neutral on this one
03:27 khonkhortisan which had many sons and daughters until the one that got turned into beef
03:27 Doc22 not for or agains it
03:27 sdzen we are all living in minecraft! that explains it all!
03:27 khonkhortisan and the age-old chicken or the egg
03:27 LandMineMT_ sdzen be mature please
03:27 sdzen haha just trying to break the tension
03:27 khonkhortisan minetest doesn't have 45° angles :(
03:27 Dogzilla131 the human life are sinners
03:28 sdzen I am trying to digest what you just said dogzilla
03:28 sdzen could you rephrase im having a tad bit of trouble understanding
03:29 VanessaE sdzen: msg...
03:29 Dogzilla131 the human race are not pure good
03:29 khonkhortisan people are sinners and need to be saved OR people may either be good or bad and when they die their actions are weighed OR good and bad are relative and defined by culture and have no result when you die OR people are all good and just need to realize it... Have I skipped anything?
03:30 LandMineMT_ of course evolution exist...who is the idiot that says it doesnt?
03:30 Dogzilla131 because of Eve and Adam
03:30 sdzen you know i have had this conversation a million times with some very inhumane humans
03:30 khonkhortisan the creationist says evolution doesn't exist
03:30 LandMineMT_ black people is an example of evolution
03:30 khonkhortisan don't you mean white people?
03:30 sdzen I tend to notice that unless you shut the door in someones face the conversation wont end easily
03:30 LandMineMT_ no i mean white
03:30 khonkhortisan which came first?
03:31 LandMineMT_ i mean black
03:31 * OldCoder sighs
03:31 LandMineMT_ they had to adapt to the sun
03:31 khonkhortisan it ends when people are all talked out
03:31 LandMineMT_ the low humidity in the air
03:31 sdzen wow this is going on a tangent
03:31 OldCoder A big one
03:31 khonkhortisan all conversations do
03:31 LandMineMT_ hence evolution exist
03:31 sdzen there is only a very slight variation between blacks and whites
03:32 sdzen its almost negligible
03:32 khonkhortisan nose shape, cell color, chin, eye color, hair... not much difference
03:32 LandMineMT_ cell color?
03:33 LandMineMT_ hahahahaha
03:33 sdzen isnt it about 99% identical genes?
03:33 LandMineMT_ the skin changed to resist more the sun
03:33 khonkhortisan not just skin color, other stuff changes color too, right?
03:33 LandMineMT_ the nose is wider to breath more due to low humidity
03:33 LandMineMT_ and many more stuff
03:33 sdzen adaption and evolution
03:33 khonkhortisan ¿ humidity affects oxygen?
03:34 sdzen if you were to live at a higher altitude for a long amount of time you would adapt
03:34 VanessaE Dogzilla131: I don't believe people are bad because of something two people from a story did or didn't do.
03:34 khonkhortisan evolution/adaption only works if the weaker people die
03:34 VanessaE people are bad because they are taught to be.
03:34 VanessaE no other reason.
03:34 sdzen if your child was born at that altitude i would assume genetic teachings would come into effect
03:34 khonkhortisan I'd go even further, people can be bad without being taught to be
03:34 VanessaE (outside of pure mental illness of course)
03:34 sdzen everything is taught
03:34 Dogzilla131 the sin goes in the blood
03:35 sdzen which is why there is no room for true creativity
03:35 VanessaE Dogzilla131: bullshit.  I reject that idea.
03:35 khonkhortisan evolution isn't that fast sdzen
03:35 sdzen no it isnt
03:35 sdzen im speaking of adaptation
03:35 sdzen not evolution
03:35 sdzen see how simalar yet different they are?
03:35 khonkhortisan then I'm not clear on the meaning of adaptation
03:35 VanessaE there's no such thing as sin.  that is yet another creation of mankind made to justify trying to control others' actions, all in the name of G*d.
03:36 Dogzilla131 ok VanessaE, but thats what i believe
03:36 VanessaE Dogzilla131: explore the fabric of reality a while and you won't believe that anymore.
03:36 khonkhortisan there's no such thing as religion, it's only man's creation to get people that don't believe in sin to believe in god :P
03:36 VanessaE khonkhortisan: interesting take on it :-)
03:36 sdzen You cant believe anything anymore....
03:36 LandMineMT_ VanessaE stop tryin got impose your reality on people thats not cool
03:37 Dogzilla131 i know the both sides, but i still believe in beliefs
03:37 sdzen she is not imposing anything
03:37 khonkhortisan LandMineMT_, aren't we all doing that?
03:37 LandMineMT_ nope
03:37 sdzen nobody is
03:37 LandMineMT_ we are jut giving ou r points of view
03:37 LandMineMT_ VanessaE on the other hand wants you to beleive  what she does
03:38 LandMineMT_ by calling you stupid
03:38 sdzen I could just start preaching to you all right now... about a god named paul.
03:39 sdzen whether you actually pay attention or not would be your decision though
03:39 Dogzilla131 I dont care what anybody says about the subject, i will always believe in beliefs.
03:39 LandMineMT_ paul? thats a queer name
03:39 khonkhortisan Dogzilla131, are you talking about atheism?
03:39 khonkhortisan mark is still gone It hink
03:39 khonkhortisan *I think
03:40 OldCoder Yes
03:40 khonkhortisan we're all smart enough to stay away from cults, right?
03:40 Dogzilla131 no, in my beliefs, people have the right to believe in anything they want to believe
03:40 VanessaE Dogzilla131: G*d told us to think, also.  to evaluate the world around us.  question it.  learn everything you can, even if it up-ends something you already believe.
03:41 sdzen hmmm what do you say to the kkk? khonk?
03:41 khonkhortisan I dunno, should I say something to them? By today's standard they seem bad - and aren't they an american creation?
03:42 sdzen I dont remember
03:43 VanessaE the kkk is a hateful organization originally bent on the idea of wiping out everyone except straight white christian men and women
03:43 sdzen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVwyE2gT5VQ&amp;hd=1
03:43 khonkhortisan if your religion says that people can believe whatever they want, what defines your religion? That whatever someone believes would come true? The gods would get claustrophobic. Or that no one knows? Then how can you believe?
03:43 moltenbot sdzens link: Carsickness - "Bill Wilkinson" - YouTube
03:43 VanessaE today, I don't know if they buy into that ideal as much as they used to
03:44 VanessaE khonkhortisan: let me put that supposition this way:  Abe and I believe all paths to G*d are valid as long as they don't result in hurting someone else or violating the basic belief in G*d of course.
03:45 VanessaE actually, even a belief in G*d isn't mandatoru.
03:45 VanessaE mandatory*
03:45 VanessaE as it is written, (paraphrasing), G*d would rather have us stop believing in Him than to start hurting each other for BS reasons.
03:46 sdzen then how do you explain most of history?
03:46 sdzen i believe that the collective gods may frown on you for thinking they dont take joy in watching us fight to the death pointlessly
03:46 VanessaE sdzen: people hurting each other for BS reasons and then using G*d or some derivative thereof to justify it.
03:47 sdzen and this is new?
03:47 sdzen it isnt
03:47 VanessaE nope, it ain't new.
03:47 khonkhortisan So two people have two different religions, that have two different thresholds that decide between whether they go to heaven or hell. They both live their lives the same way. The one person's religion says they go to hell, the other person's says they go to heaven. Do they go to the same place if they lived the same way?
03:47 VanessaE "As long as there has been one true G*d, there has been killing in his name."
03:47 VanessaE which of course does not justify it.
03:47 khonkhortisan Where's that quote from?
03:47 sdzen even before the one true god
03:48 sdzen theres has been killing in the names of the various deities
03:48 VanessaE khonkhortisan: DaVinci Code.
03:48 khonkhortisan oh. Haven't seen it
03:48 VanessaE (the movie, spoken by the character Lee Teabing)
03:48 sdzen isnt it a book?
03:48 VanessaE sdzen: both a movie and a book.
03:48 sdzen ahh yes
03:50 khonkhortisan I'm sure religions have conflicts between them that can't be resolved. One may be works-based, the other faith-based. If you follow one, you fail at the other.
03:53 khonkhortisan All talked out?
03:53 VanessaE khonkhortisan: pretty much, which is why we say that as long as your path with G*d doesn't lead to another person's harm, you've done right by G*d and can expect to avoid whatever kind of punishment or spiritual cleansing that is coming.
03:53 khonkhortisan guess not
03:54 * VanessaE <-- getting slow lately.
03:55 khonkhortisan Does that include being an athiest and a "good person"?
03:55 Doc22 umm
03:55 Doc22 try going to #religion
03:55 sdzen depends on your worldview dude
03:55 Doc22 you guys could write a book
03:55 khonkhortisan I'd never get back on topic if I went there
03:55 Doc22 lol
03:56 sdzen we dont want to be like cornernote here so we should probably slow down
03:56 Doc22 is cornernote gone from the community
03:56 khonkhortisan so I've heard, yes.
03:56 sdzen that and the room is spinning on my end
03:56 Doc22 forever?
03:56 LandMineMT_ cornernote posted images
03:56 Doc22 of what
03:56 LandMineMT_ dead cows
03:56 LandMineMT_ deastality
03:56 LandMineMT_ etc
03:56 Doc22 O_D
03:56 Doc22 seriously
03:57 Doc22 the moderators would ban someone for posting a picture of dead cows
03:57 Doc22 he was a huge contributer to the community
03:57 khonkhortisan not on facebook!
03:57 Doc22 yeah i know
03:57 sdzen its moreso his very large speeches that never seemed to stop on the subject
03:57 Doc22 on the forum
03:57 Doc22 he made some awesome mods
03:57 Doc22 and he just got thrown out of the community
03:58 OldCoder No
03:58 OldCoder He chose to go
03:58 OldCoder He and I still chat a bit
03:58 Doc22 ok
03:58 OldCoder He is aware that he overreacted
03:58 Doc22 yeah
03:58 Doc22 I miss him
03:58 sdzen think of the children
03:58 Doc22 in the community
03:59 Doc22 Oldcoder btw I finished my song
03:59 khonkhortisan (notices the topic getting closer to being "on")
04:00 sdzen so.... anyone working on some important things that have yet to be released?
04:00 OldCoder Doc22, k
04:00 OldCoder sdzen, a song
04:00 OldCoder Doc22, Let's hear it
04:00 Doc22 umm, ok
04:00 Doc22 first I wish to state licence
04:00 OldCoder CC?
04:01 sdzen gpl?
04:01 LandMineMT_ ITS TIME FOR A RAP BATTLEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
04:01 Doc22 Creative Commons 3.0 Attribution Derived Works, No commercial
04:01 LandMineMT_ DOC22 VS LANDMINE!!!
04:01 OldCoder CC BY SA NC
04:01 Doc22 its not rap
04:01 LandMineMT_ LAME
04:01 OldCoder It is a game tunme
04:01 OldCoder It is a game tune
04:01 Doc22 ok
04:01 OldCoder All the Same
04:01 Doc22 yeah
04:01 OldCoder It is his tune let us hear it
04:01 Doc22 tffs.castraponere.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/continuity.wav\
04:01 Doc22 oops
04:01 Doc22 tffs.castraponere.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/continuity.wav
04:02 Doc22 grr
04:02 Doc22 http://tffs.castraponere.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/continuity.wav
04:02 Doc22 there
04:02 Doc22 lol
04:02 Doc22 http://tffs.castraponere.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/continuity_loop.wav
04:02 Doc22 there is looping version
04:02 Doc22 first one fades out
04:02 Doc22 second one loops
04:02 sdzen my ears! (I left my volume on high)
04:03 sdzen very nice
04:03 OldCoder Downloading
04:04 LandMineMT_ WELL PEEPS im gonna sleep....got school tomorow
04:04 Doc22 thanks sdzen
04:04 OldCoder Doc22, you can convert this to Flac
04:04 Doc22 Flac?
04:04 OldCoder LandMineMT_, good night
04:04 LandMineMT_ nice thing we had going on
04:05 Doc22 lol
04:05 OldCoder Doc22, Lossless format
04:05 OldCoder Smaller
04:05 Doc22 hmm
04:05 OldCoder As good as WAV
04:05 OldCoder Can convert back
04:05 Doc22 I really dont care about size lol
04:05 OldCoder It is also safer from corruption
04:05 Doc22 so basically a .zip format, but for .wav?
04:05 OldCoder But all right
04:05 OldCoder Yes
04:05 Doc22 yeah maybe I should
04:05 Doc22 but not right now
04:05 Doc22 haha
04:05 OldCoder Sure
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04:24 Doc22 OldCoder, what type of music would the kind I made be?
04:25 Doc22 I don't know the word for it
04:34 VanessaE you know what minetest needs?  an Lua profiler...  how much time is being spent in this or that or the other mod executing the code therein.
04:35 Doc22 yeah that would be useful for performance improvement
04:35 Doc22 simple thing like
04:35 Doc22 start = system.get_time()
04:36 Doc22 lua_script.run();
04:37 Doc22 System.print("lua script "+lua_script.name()+" took "+System.get_time-start)
04:37 Doc22 general idea
04:37 Doc22 get time
04:37 Doc22 run script
04:37 Doc22 print difference
04:41 Doc22 you could also make something that writes the data to a file
04:41 Doc22 or a profiler gui
04:46 Doc22 find out which of those pesky mods are using up all your ram
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05:14 OldCoder Doc22, Not techno
05:14 OldCoder RealBadAngel would know
05:15 OldCoder It's MOD style
05:15 OldCoder Tracker
05:15 OldCoder Sort of
05:15 bulletrulz i
05:15 bulletrulz hi
05:15 bulletrulz hi
05:15 bulletrulz hi
05:15 bulletrulz hi
05:15 bulletrulz hi
05:15 VanessaE hi.
05:15 bulletrulz wtf i only sent that once
05:15 bulletrulz wtf i only sent that once
05:15 bulletrulz wtf i only sent that once
05:15 bulletrulz wtf i only sent that once
05:15 bulletrulz wtf i only sent that once
05:16 bulletrulz that too
05:16 bulletrulz that too
05:16 bulletrulz that too
05:16 bulletrulz that too
05:16 VanessaE you sent it 5 times
05:16 VanessaE sign out and restart your client
05:16 bulletrulz Wtf theres something wrong with xchat
05:16 bulletrulz Wtf theres something wrong with xchat
05:16 bulletrulz Wtf theres something wrong with xchat
05:16 bulletrulz Wtf theres something wrong with xchat
05:16 bulletrulz Wtf theres something wrong with xchat
05:16 bulletrulz ok brb
05:16 bulletrulz ok brb
05:16 bulletrulz ok brb
05:16 bulletrulz ok brb
05:16 bulletrulz ok brb
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05:16 bulletrulz ok
05:16 bulletrulz fixed! :D
05:17 VanessaE talk about a weird bug.
05:18 sokomine i'm wondering: is there a way to see the whole scenery when looking down from high above? e.g. the eiffel tower on redcrabs server. i usually manage only a tiny bit of the landscape...which then looks strange
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05:40 VanessaE hey neko
05:40 VanessaE sokomine: hit 'r'
05:41 VanessaE it'll show you whatever you've visited since sign-on
05:41 VanessaE it doesn't get rid of the clouds though
05:41 bulletrulz VanessaE, ikr
05:43 sokomine hm...whatever i've visited...may take a long time to visit everything. and i got the impression that something got forgotten...
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06:07 VanessaE ok, time for bed
06:08 VanessaE sokomine: everything you visited plus the surrounding map, so you'll see wide 2- or 3-mapblock stripes tracing your path basically
06:08 VanessaE night all/.
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07:13 markveidemanis hi
07:13 markveidemanis VanessaE
07:13 markveidemanis can you come on my server for some fireworks?:)
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07:33 markveidemanis hello
07:33 markveidemanis Greetings
07:34 markveidemanis VanessaE
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08:27 Aqua hi
08:30 OldCoder Hi back
08:31 Aqua can u give me a link to sfan5's windows 0.4.4
08:31 Aqua please
08:32 Aqua u there?
08:34 Aqua oldCoder
08:42 OldCoder Hi
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11:24 * OldCoder is resting
11:24 OldCoder Hey Zeg9
11:27 Zeg9 Hello
11:27 Zeg9 brb
11:49 * Zeg9 has to go, bye
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12:55 NekoGloop Meow.
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13:37 cmacis Random noobish question. On the Debian (and related) builds, where are the folders you throw mods and stuff into?
13:37 NekoGloop Hiding.
13:38 cmacis You are, or they are? :)
13:38 NekoGloop They are.
13:38 cmacis Fair enough. I'll build another copy into home to play with mods then.
13:39 cmacis It is version 0.X after all
13:39 NekoGloop Translated into noob-speak: Go lookz for it!1!1!one!
13:56 iqual camacis: in ~/.minetest
13:56 iqual is anybody interested in an script to update installed mods?
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14:03 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
14:08 cmacis hello
14:08 cmacis cheers iqual
14:09 iqual hi PilzAdam
14:09 iqual any recommendations for a server?
14:10 iqual i want to have some spare space to build
14:17 PilzAdam oh nice, we have a new minetest.net design
14:21 PilzAdam !tw Minetest-c55
14:21 Minetest-tan PilzAdam: Give me a link, a username, or a tweet id
14:21 PilzAdam !tw Minetest_c55
14:21 Minetest-tan Can't wait for #Minetest 0.4 stable to come out :D (@Minetest_c55)
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14:38 neko259 VanessaE: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=55143#p55143 Don't you know what can cause it? It's like the ABM changes are counted from the server install, not previous run.
14:38 neko259 And hello :D
14:38 iqual bb
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15:22 redcrab Yeah ! redcrab.suret.net is up to date , 0.4.4 dev :D
15:30 NekoGloop redcrab: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbHZ6uWeR3U
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15:44 PilzAdam Hi moltenbot
15:47 iqualfragile … ich hab nicht dran gedacht dass jemand hi auch Hi schreiben könnte…
15:48 NekoGloop ENGLISH MOTHERF*CKER. DO YOU SPEAK IT?!
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15:49 iqualfragile yes i do, so i do understad that you just said something to me wich would not be concidered as "fine"
15:49 NekoGloop Heh.
15:49 iqualfragile OldCoder: would you please stop people from swearing in here?
15:49 iqualfragile besides: the german sentence was @ PilzAdam who is from germany so it was intentional
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15:51 bulletrulz hello :D
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15:53 moltenbot welcome master
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15:56 Jordach does anyone here got a imap server i can borrow?
15:59 thexyz imap.gmail.com
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16:15 moltenbot welcome master
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16:26 Doc22_ Oldcoder
16:26 Doc22_ my song could be added to the server
16:26 Doc22_ technic has a mechanism for the music box
16:26 Doc22_ to load the songs
16:27 Doc22_ then there would be a song for the jukebox
16:27 Doc22_ I tested it in singleplayer and it works
16:28 Doc22_ hey sfan
16:31 Doc22_ OldCoder? you there?
16:31 PilzAdam I have done a hacked client where you can fly faster than everyone else without the fly priv
16:31 Doc22_ lol
16:32 Doc22_ fun to hack when there is nothing else to do lol
16:32 Doc22_ just dont make it public lol
16:32 PilzAdam I wont
16:32 Doc22_ good
16:33 Doc22_ haha
16:33 Doc22_ too many script kiddies out there
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16:36 markveidemanis HI
16:37 PilzAdam Hello
16:37 markveidemanis wanna come on my server?
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16:37 markveidemanis to play with mesecons
16:37 markveidemanis :)
16:38 PilzAdam sure; IP?
16:38 markveidemanis 213.123.65.242:30000
16:40 PilzAdam cant connect
16:40 PilzAdam an ping times out
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16:40 PilzAdam *and
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16:47 markveidemanis so it noew work??
16:47 markveidemanis #not
16:48 PilzAdam yep, doesnt work
16:49 thexyz !up 213.123.65.242
16:49 moltenbot Minetest server 213.123.65.242:30000 DOWN
16:49 markveidemanis i just removed mesecons:( try onw
16:51 Calinou !up 127.0.0.1
16:51 moltenbot Minetest server 127.0.0.1:30000 UP
16:51 Calinou heh
16:51 Calinou !up google.com:80
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16:51 moltenbot Minetest server google.com:80:30000 DOWN
16:51 Calinou lol
16:51 Calinou custom port fail
16:52 PilzAdam !up google.com 80
16:52 moltenbot Minetest server google.com:80 DOWN
16:52 Calinou !up facebook.com
16:52 moltenbot Minetest server facebook.com:30000 DOWN
16:52 Calinou facebook hosts no MT server, that sucks!
16:54 markveidemanis i re-forwarded port try now
16:54 PilzAdam !up 213.123.65.242
16:54 moltenbot Minetest server 213.123.65.242:30000 DOWN
16:55 PilzAdam have you checked your IP?
16:55 thexyz !up minetest.ru
16:55 moltenbot Minetest server minetest.ru:30000 UP
16:55 markveidemanis yes it was working yesterday
16:55 PilzAdam IPs change sometimes
16:56 markveidemanis LOL...
16:56 markveidemanis 86.172.129.21:30000
16:56 markveidemanis ignorance
16:56 PilzAdam !up 86.172.129.2
16:56 moltenbot Minetest server 86.172.129.2:30000 DOWN
16:56 PilzAdam !up 86.172.129.21
16:56 moltenbot Minetest server 86.172.129.21:30000 UP
16:57 markveidemanis what does: on_newplayer mean- in server console
16:57 PilzAdam here we go
16:57 markveidemanis it works perfectly!!]
16:58 bulletrulz !up c55.me:30000
16:59 bulletrulz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mULx2qcsioY No Face
16:59 Doc22_ Oldcoder are you there
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17:10 Doc22_ hello
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17:11 moltenbot welcome master
17:11 markveidemanis server crashed, fixed now
17:14 VanessaE hi all.
17:14 PilzAdam hi VanessaE
17:15 thexyz iqualfragile: can you stop your bot from saying "welcome master" every time you join #minetest?
17:15 iqualfragile shure
17:15 VanessaE thexyz: make it say "welcome fuckers" instead ;)
17:15 VanessaE since he has such a problem with cursing :D
17:17 VanessaE hey PilzAdam.
17:18 bulletrulz Give Me 20 dollars
17:18 bulletrulz fuck
17:19 Calinou /giveme money:20_dollars
17:19 Calinou /giveme money:dollar 20
17:19 Calinou better
17:19 bulletrulz ok slendy wont attack u
17:19 bulletrulz VanessaE, is anyone playning on the server"?
17:20 VanessaE not at present.  PilzAdam was on earlier (how was it btw?)
17:20 iqualfragile !re
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17:20 bulletrulz !tw bulletrulz
17:20 Minetest-tan website updated for today #work http://bulletrulz.webs.com (@bulletrulz)
17:20 moltenbot Minetest-tans link: Bulletrulx website
17:20 bulletrulz LOL
17:23 bulletrulz minetest.net
17:23 bulletrulz http://www.minetest.net
17:24 bulletrulz Fucking BOT1\
17:24 bulletrulz Who wants to play with me on minetest\
17:24 VanessaE zzz
17:25 bulletrulz http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sex
17:25 bulletrulz LOL!! XXD
17:26 Fabiter Hello! :D
17:27 bulletrulz welcome Fabiter
17:27 bulletrulz !tw mijyn
17:27 Minetest-tan Sorry, couldn't get a tweet from https://twitter.com/mijyn?1354728443.46 (@mijyn)
17:27 moltenbot Minetest-tans link: Mi J Kim (MiJyn) auf Twitter
17:27 bulletrulz !tw _mijyn_
17:27 Minetest-tan Sorry, couldn't get a tweet from https://twitter.com/_mijyn_?1354728457.19 (@_mijyn_)
17:27 Fabiter Thank you bulletrulz! :)
17:27 bulletrulz !tw bulletrulz
17:27 Minetest-tan website updated for today #work http://bulletrulz.webs.com (@bulletrulz)
17:27 moltenbot Minetest-tans link: Bulletrulx website
17:30 bulletrulz !tw slenderman
17:30 Minetest-tan @SLessard Safe Travels! (@slenderman)
17:30 bulletrulz !tw minetest_c55
17:30 Minetest-tan Can't wait for #Minetest 0.4 stable to come out :D (@minetest_c55)
17:31 bulletrulz !tw jordan4ibanez
17:31 Minetest-tan Shell Advertisement by Alex | Shell http://arcticready.com/social/5172554-because-we-dont-care-about-tomorrow-wher (@jordan4ibanez)
17:31 thexyz bulletrulz: can you please stop flooding the bot?
17:31 moltenbot Minetest-tans link: Shell Advertisement by Alex | Shell Let's Go!
17:31 bulletrulz whyy!!!! thexyz nobody is talking
17:32 thexyz if you want to chat with her, /msg Minetest-tan
17:32 PilzAdam bulletrulz, PM the bot if you want to play
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17:44 john_minetest hello
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17:45 MiJyn @bulletrulz, it's __MiJyn__ lol
17:45 MiJyn !tw __MiJyn__
17:45 Minetest-tan I'll have some fun with the "Shape" class... (@__MiJyn__)
17:45 MiJyn oh yeah, my abandoned game engine...
17:45 MiJyn it worked
17:45 MiJyn but slow :/
17:47 john_minetest i found a way to get speeds like with "fast" priv on a minetest server without having fast
17:49 john_minetest continuous_forward=true in minetest.conf and you are always walking, by pressing W you can speed up to "fast" speed.
17:49 thexyz have you reported this bug?
17:49 PilzAdam easy to fix: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/src/localplayer.cpp#L475
17:51 john_minetest not reported yet. it was used on zeg9's server by a player.
17:51 john_minetest he also could fly without having fly priv, so i think there might be such a setting, too.
17:52 PilzAdam the movement of the client it relatively easy to hack
17:56 Zeg9 It's because on my server, the position isn't checked for "anticheat"
17:58 Calinou john_minetest: yeah but anticheat catches you
17:58 Calinou note: you can fly regardless of privileges, but if you want to fly at fast speed you need fast priv
17:58 Calinou :>
17:58 Calinou we need fly checks :P
17:59 PilzAdam if no collision is reported for 10 sec. kill the player
17:59 PilzAdam and if hes not moving down at high speed
18:01 thexyz i don't like this kind of heuristics
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18:04 bulletrulz MiJyn, ho
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18:15 telek Jordach: When life gives you shit, make fertilizer :D
18:15 Jordach herh
18:15 Jordach heh
18:16 * Jordach is still pissed either way
18:16 telek Alternative, if you're a monkey: When life gives you shit, toss it on somebody else.
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18:39 khonkhortisan ran
18:55 OldCoder Back
18:55 OldCoder Doc22, I am now
18:55 OldCoder Slept very late today. Yesterday was tiring.
19:05 babyface1031 hi OldCoder
19:07 OldCoder babyface1031, Hello!
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19:41 mauvebic jordach
19:41 Jordach yo
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19:42 mauvebic and heeee's gone lol
19:42 mauvebic you wanted to dl my map n mods?
19:44 neko259 Hi all. Does moreblocks stable version work with minetest 0.4.3?
19:45 MiJyn does anyone else have remobo or hamachi issues?
19:46 MiJyn I'm building a heavily modded server
19:47 Jordach <mauvebic> you wanted to dl my map n mods? why ye
19:47 Jordach yes
19:47 Jordach my client spazzed
19:47 mauvebic theyre out :-)
19:47 mauvebic map is 100mb tho lol
19:47 MiJyn hi Jordach
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19:49 MiJyn Can anyone help me with hamachi?
19:49 MiJyn I can't make anything work there
19:50 Jordach hm?
19:50 Jordach MiJyn - sudo apt-get haguachi
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20:14 MiJyn hi
20:14 STHGOM hi
20:16 MiJyn how is everyone?
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20:17 VanessaE meh.
20:18 STHGOM good!
20:19 MiJyn I learned something: Don't upgrade your kernel in archlinux unless you plan on rebooting straight away lol
20:21 STHGOM what happened?
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20:23 PilzAdam !c 20*60
20:23 Minetest-tan 1200
20:24 OldCoder No bot battles today please
20:27 MiJyn @STHGOM, Hamachi stopped working lol
20:27 PilzAdam OldCoder, I realy wanted to calculate this; and open a calculator is slower than this
20:27 STHGOM ohh...
20:28 STHGOM whats that?
20:28 STHGOM lol
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20:28 MiJyn STHGOM, a free VPN service so that any computers can access one another (helps for minetest servers)
20:28 STHGOM I don't know much about linux exept thats its awsome
20:28 MiJyn lol yeah
20:28 STHGOM ok
20:29 STHGOM thanks
20:29 Jordach i challenge you to dualboot pc-bsd with linux
20:29 MiJyn easy @Jordach
20:29 * STHGOM is sparky on minetest
20:29 MiJyn use GNU parted!
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20:29 MiJyn or, (I humbly recommend) LParted! :P
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20:43 MiJyn what's the nodename of shovel?
20:43 MiJyn default:shovel?
20:43 Jordach default:steel_shovel, default:stone_shovel, default:steel_shovel
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20:46 MiJyn thanks! I decided to use pick_mese
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20:47 STHGOM Hello!
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21:01 yxkvast Hi i have a problem with installin minetest on ubuntu, i solved some problems now and the fail log is smaller now. (but still failing) :)
21:02 iqualfragile well, i guess nobody besides b.s. is able to dechipher the information you gave us
21:03 iqualfragile (specify your problem yxkvast )
21:03 Jordach MiJyn - next time, use the default mod from minetest_game + grep
21:03 Jordach anyways, night all
21:03 Jordach OldCoder, VanessaE, have a nice day!
21:04 OldCoder c u
21:09 yxkvast i did send a PM to iqualfragile
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21:11 iqualfragile !t yxkvast paste
21:11 moltenbot yxkvast: Please use ZeroBin to post your logfiles, do not paste them into IRC.
21:11 yxkvast i am downloading jockey kde and kernel mods
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21:12 moltenbot hitchcock.freenode.nets link: freenode: frequently-asked questions
21:12 yxkvast moltenbot: this log is quite short, but okay ^^
21:12 iqualfragile yup, you just need to install drivers
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21:14 Octupus hello
21:14 yxkvast maybe this link will work..
21:14 yxkvast 'http://pastebin.com/VTQwBMfV
21:14 moltenbot yxkvasts link: minetest - Pastebin.com
21:15 iqualfragile hi Octupus
21:16 babyface1031 hi Octupus
21:16 Octupus hi
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21:21 MiJyn where is cave generation?
21:21 MiJyn how do I turn it off?
21:25 telek MiJyn: There's no 'option' to turn it off. You'd either have to find, or make a mod to override the cave creation behavior.
21:25 MiJyn telek, no, in the source code
21:25 MiJyn I did cave_amount = 0.0
21:25 MiJyn hoping it works
21:26 telek MiJyn: Oh. Is that stuff still handled in C/C++? I assumed it was all lua by now.
21:26 MiJyn oh
21:26 MiJyn idk
21:30 telek MiJyn: Let me know if that cave_amount did it. Might be worth a patch for config file options for some of those things.
21:31 MiJyn somewhat
21:33 telek MiJyn: You know you'd have to either start with a fresh world, or a mod that would reset or empty previously generated blocks to see a difference in currently explored areas, right?
21:34 MiJyn telek, yes, I know
21:34 MiJyn I fixed it
21:34 telek What'd it turn out to be?
21:34 MiJyn no caves!
21:35 telek Oh you mean you DID successfully manage to get them to not spawn, cool :)
21:35 MiJyn yes!
21:35 MiJyn cave_amount = 0.0
21:35 MiJyn caves_count = 0.0
21:35 MiJyn bruises_count = 0
21:35 MiJyn wait, caves_count = 0
21:35 MiJyn there
21:36 telek What's bruises_count?
21:36 MiJyn no idea
21:36 sokomine strange effects on redcrabs server: people saw me with things sticking in my playerchar i didn't even have in my inv
21:36 telek That like fissures/crevices in the ground surface?
21:36 sokomine relogin helped
21:36 MiJyn but it affects caves
21:37 * telek nods.
21:37 sokomine oh? caves can be deactivated? that sounds good!
21:37 MiJyn yep
21:38 sokomine great!
21:46 * sokomine jumps into a cart and bugs around happily :)
21:46 yxkvast i do not know what driver i need to make minetest to work sufficiently.
21:47 sokomine people keep asking for a build for windows now that redcrab switched to 0.4.4   maybe it would be a good idea to post a link in the topic? i don't have win
21:51 OldCoder Folks I'll be offline to take my laptop for repairs. Back later. Nice to see everybody.
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21:53 Taoki http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=55209 I posted about a feature suggestion I had, which I think would be really interesting to consider (the post is a bit larger). In short, I'm thinking of a feature to allow realtime scripting from the minetest client while the server is running, so any player can create custom items on servers with this feature enabled (similar to Second Life).
21:53 moltenbot Taokis link: Realtime scripting with uploaded media (Page 1) - Feature Discussion - Minetest Forums
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21:58 bulletrulz !tw __mijyn__
21:58 Minetest-tan I'll have some fun with the "Shape" class... (@__mijyn__)
22:00 bulletrulz !tw bulletrulz
22:00 Minetest-tan @CMPunk should do the original thing in vacant the title (@bulletrulz)
22:00 bulletrulz lol
22:00 bulletrulz !tw notch
22:00 Minetest-tan I enjoy learning things. =D (@notch)
22:00 bulletrulz !tw lol
22:00 Minetest-tan BRITNEY fans, what are your thoughts on Tom from The Wanted? (@lol)
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22:02 felix20 Taoki, personally I wouldn't want that enabled, but it would certainly be interesting
22:02 Taoki felix20: Yes, it surely wouldn't be a default, but some servers could have it
22:09 bulletrulz !tw mtv
22:09 Minetest-tan #Selenators! #Directioners! #Beliebers! #Navi! #Beystans and more! We're crowning the Last Fans Standing: http://on.fb.me/YPnCYZ (@mtv)
22:09 moltenbot Minetest-tans link: Update Your Browser | Facebook
22:09 bulletrulz !tw twitter
22:09 Minetest-tan "@urbandictionary grows daily followers 6.5x by implementing the Follow Button" - https://dev.twitter.com/blog/urbandictionary-account-grows-daily-followers-65x-implementing-follow-button   ^JC (@twitter)
22:09 moltenbot Minetest-tans link: The @urbandictionary account grows daily followers 6.5x by implementing the Follow Button | Twitter Developers
22:09 bulletrulz :D
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22:24 Octupus hi
22:27 STHGOM hi
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22:32 Octupus hi Dogzilal131
22:32 Dogzilla131 hi octu
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22:39 STHGOM if anyone wants me say STHGOM
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22:46 MiJyn hey guys
22:46 MiJyn I quickly hacked a mod
22:47 MiJyn trying to rewrite the nether mod
22:47 MiJyn as you can see, lava generation is NOT amazing lol
22:47 MiJyn but basic rooms (based on c55's old dungeon code) is done
22:47 MiJyn !!!
22:47 MiJyn http://imgur.com/qhdhm,pXQDv
22:47 moltenbot MiJyns link: imgur: the simple image sharer
22:48 MiJyn yeah
22:48 MiJyn you are correct lol
22:48 bulletrulz lol
22:49 MiJyn as you can see, it was minorly edited so that I could survive lol
22:49 MiJyn the scene
22:49 MiJyn second pic
22:49 bulletrulz yeah i see
22:49 bulletrulz so
22:51 MiJyn it's generated!
22:51 MiJyn this is like the swimming pool for the nether fortress
22:51 MiJyn I'm going to add more rooms soon
22:51 MiJyn any suggestions?
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22:53 NekoGloop minetest-tan? lol?
22:56 MiJyn ?
22:57 NekoGloop -tan == -chan == someone the person finds endearing.
22:57 MiJyn lol
22:57 MiJyn did you see the screenshots?
22:57 MiJyn of nether 0.2?
22:57 MiJyn (WIP)
22:58 NekoGloop nope.
22:58 MiJyn http://imgur.com/qhdhm,pXQDv
22:58 moltenbot MiJyns link: imgur: the simple image sharer
22:59 STHGOM bye!
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23:34 Doc22 hey octupus
23:34 Octupus hi Doc22
23:42 * VanessaE is back.  yay.
23:42 Doc22 hey vanessae
23:42 VanessaE hey
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