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00:01 rarkenin joined #minetest
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00:07 Kacey anyone?
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00:08 babyface1031 hi Octupus
00:09 Kacey he is afk
00:10 babyface1031 ahh ok hi Kacey btw
00:10 Kacey hello want to help make a map?
00:10 rarkenin Kacey: Possibly... More detail, please?
00:10 Kacey a nuclear disaster map
00:11 rarkenin Do you need help or want more creative hands?
00:11 rarkenin Is this on a server, or a separat game whose ma[gen creates such a workd?
00:11 rarkenin *mapgen* *world*
00:11 Kacey on my server
00:11 rarkenin What mods do you have?
00:11 Kacey all hel is welcome
00:11 rarkenin And what kind of bandwidth?
00:12 * rarkenin afk
00:12 Kacey i have worldedit and a few others
00:15 OldCoder Back
00:28 telek Anybody here have an Atom netbook with a gma 500/600 or gma36x0 gpu in it?
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00:36 rarkenin Hi... Can I report a quick graphics bug, or shall I do that elsewhere?
00:36 telek rarkenin: Forum would be the ideal place, it might get lost in IRC traffic.
00:37 rarkenin OK. It's just a Z-fight, so I don't know whether such trivialities are acceptable there.
00:37 telek Off in the distance?
00:37 rarkenin No. With stairs underwater.
00:38 telek Oh that's possibly something new then (I haven't heard of it at least)
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01:08 Aqua hi
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01:17 Aqua hi
01:19 RBA_bedtime hi
01:22 * VanessaE peeks in
01:22 VanessaE hi all.
01:22 babyface1031 hi
01:24 * marktraceur waves at VanessaE
01:24 VanessaE hey
01:27 OldCoder Dogzilla131 has done a mod. In world 30007 at 168.3,33.5,96.8 you will see one of his blocks
01:29 kaeza joined #minetest
01:29 kaeza hey guys
01:30 kaeza Is there any mod admin here?
01:30 kaeza Is there any forum* admin here?
01:31 kaeza hello
01:33 Aqua hi
01:33 Aqua hi
01:33 kaeza hello Aqua
01:34 kaeza what's up?
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01:35 Aqua hi
01:36 kaeza hi
01:39 Aqua hi
01:39 Aqua wat u doing?
01:51 kaeza chatting on IRC
01:51 kaeza :)
01:51 kaeza is VanessaE here?
01:52 VanessaE no :)
01:52 VanessaE I'm over there --------->
01:52 kaeza k :)
01:52 kaeza got a small contrib to your HomeDecor mod
01:53 VanessaE oh?
01:53 Aqua im playing with landmine in the middle of a big battle
01:53 kaeza It's still WIP, but tell me what do you think http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3830
01:53 VanessaE oh I saw that
01:53 kaeza Aqua: where?
01:54 Aqua nubelites server
01:54 kaeza VanessaE: so?
01:54 VanessaE kaeza: not bad, though I'd have chosen something else to put on the screen such as a screenshot of a minetest session or so
01:54 kaeza Aqua: I was reading about it just now
01:55 kaeza Yeah, I thought also putting a BSOD
01:55 kaeza :)
01:55 VanessaE hah!  no way
01:55 VanessaE BSOD is too windows-centric
01:55 kaeza maybe make an animated one. can I borrow your TV code?
01:55 VanessaE sure, go right ahead.
01:56 kaeza thanks :)
01:57 kaeza <sarcasm>Why not Windows</sarcasm>
01:58 VanessaE heh, as if you had to ask :)
01:58 RealBadAngel windows is a relic of the past ;)
01:58 VanessaE heh, that's putting it succinctly :-)
01:58 VanessaE kaeza: put a picture of Tux on it ;)
01:59 kaeza windows has been of the past since version 0.0.0
01:59 VanessaE actually, I know what...
01:59 kaeza they totally copied the Mac
01:59 kaeza yay I was thinking about tux also
01:59 kaeza Maybe also Wilber?
02:00 VanessaE can you make a few versions of this mod that have a various classic computers?  say one with a C64, one with an Apple ][, one with an Amiga 500, one with a Spectrum 48k, and a regular PC?
02:00 VanessaE as long as they are shaped and textured right, I'd gladly add such a mod to Home Decor :-)
02:00 kaeza A Spectrum :) Playing Sir Fred
02:00 VanessaE heh
02:00 RealBadAngel Speccy, what a lovely machine...
02:00 kaeza Yay it would be an honor
02:01 RealBadAngel i was having all the possible models
02:01 VanessaE the C64 would be showing Jumpman Jr., the Spectrum as above, the Apple ][ would have Moon Patrol running, the Amiga would just show Workbench, the PC would have Minetest :-)
02:02 RealBadAngel 16k, +, 128, 128+, Timex 2048, Timex 2068, some polish made one, Sam Coupe...
02:02 VanessaE actually, at least three PCs with different images.
02:02 Dogzilla131 who is in 30007 minetest.org world
02:02 VanessaE kaeza: think you could pull that off?
02:03 Dogzilla131 who is in 30007 minetest.org world
02:03 RealBadAngel Who
02:03 kaeza Sure. Goin' To Google Images!!!
02:03 VanessaE Dogzilla131:  sign on there and /status
02:03 VanessaE kaeza: use Wikipedia/Wikimedia commons if you're gonna copy the images for texturing
02:03 VanessaE (free images = no license bullshit :-)
02:04 kaeza I was thinking about making them myself, using Wikimedia Commons as source.
02:04 kaeza BRB
02:05 Dogzilla131 what do you mean Vanessae
02:05 Dogzilla131 ohh wait i know what you mean
02:06 VanessaE Dogzilla131: I mean sign onto the server and type /status
02:06 Dogzilla131 can somebody check my mod
02:06 VanessaE it'll give you a list of who is currently online among other stuff.
02:06 kaeza hmmm... What do you think: Speccy 16k or 48k?
02:07 VanessaE 48k.
02:07 kaeza sorry, meant normal or plus
02:07 VanessaE oh
02:07 VanessaE 48k "plus" I think was the common 8-bitter from the era.
02:08 VanessaE the one that competed against the C64 anyway
02:08 kaeza the only one that got to uruguay also
02:08 sokomine hi
02:08 VanessaE heh, that makes it easy
02:08 VanessaE for the C64 shape/images, use the brown "breadbox" model (the one that looked like a re-colored VC-20)
02:09 VanessaE For the Amiga, use the "500" model.  For the Apple ][, use the old "][e" model.
02:09 Dogzilla131 can somebody get in minetest.org and port:30007 to check my mod
02:10 kaeza thanks for the tip, I don't know very much about apples (PS bananas, I like bananas)
02:10 VanessaE Dogzilla131: just sign on yourself and see how it behaves
02:11 Dogzilla131 i did but i want somebody else to check
02:11 sokomine do you want anything specific to be tested? what does the mod do?
02:11 VanessaE kaeza: for the PC, I recommend a regular "tower" configuration rather than a "desktop" one.
02:11 VanessaE you'll be able to texture it more flexibly.
02:11 Dogzilla131 it adds flags with bright light, and  to check the recipes
02:11 VanessaE (in a "desktop" configuration, the top surface of the computer will also have to have the same texture as the top surface of the monitor)
02:12 kaeza I'm not into legalese, is GFDL compatible with minetest? I guess yes, right?
02:12 VanessaE yeah, you can use it in textures and stuff
02:12 VanessaE no one's gonna give you any noise about that
02:13 kaeza What I found is that the regular tower may make the monitor too small (I also want the monitor to be almost 4:3 in ratio), but I'll try
02:13 VanessaE I've been lazy..  I still haven't updated HDX to account for recent changes in homedecor..
02:13 VanessaE right.  good point there.
02:13 RealBadAngel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ZX_Spectrum%2B.jpg
02:14 VanessaE maybe two nodes then - one for the tower and one holding the keyboard/monitor
02:14 kaeza Hmm that would be a new challenge for me. Challenge Accepted!
02:14 VanessaE http://skepticon.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/knapp01.png
02:15 kaeza Maybe adapt from the default doors?
02:15 VanessaE naw, just make 'em separate nodes.
02:15 RealBadAngel i could write simple OS for such PC
02:15 VanessaE let the user place a PC, then let them place a monitor separately.
02:15 RealBadAngel maybe forth interpreter?
02:15 kaeza lol
02:15 kaeza RBA: lol
02:15 RealBadAngel why not?
02:15 VanessaE my setup at home for example has the PC itself off in the corner, while two monitors sit in front of me a few feet away
02:16 sokomine sapiers nodeboxeditor did work quite well after i finally got it to compile
02:16 RealBadAngel in minecraft theres functional 6502 processor with all the hardware, docs and running Forth
02:16 kaeza Next thing is Minetest Gates comes and writes Windows Cube for that PC and then minetest is plagued with bugs even more
02:17 RealBadAngel seen also Norton Commander like app for it
02:17 kaeza RBA: Is that so?
02:18 RealBadAngel yes, and such computer is able to send/receive signals from redstone
02:18 RealBadAngel via IO
02:18 RealBadAngel buses are 16bit and stackable
02:18 kaeza If minetest supported a "canvas" for formspec we could write minigames for it.
02:18 kaeza RBA: cool
02:18 VanessaE something that complex is probably better suited for a separate mod.
02:19 RealBadAngel such computer comes with 8K of RAM
02:19 VanessaE btw, don't make it run FORTH, make it run proper 6502 assembly.
02:19 kaeza yeah, just draming here
02:19 RealBadAngel expandable by memory add ons
02:19 sokomine oh, that's good. busses are something i miss in mesecons. with seperate wires it's..complicated
02:19 RealBadAngel up to 64kb
02:20 kaeza Maybe a microcontroller-like object that supported code written directly in Lua?
02:20 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb0Q9htsbBI
02:20 RealBadAngel watch this
02:20 RealBadAngel that shall be done for mesecons too
02:21 kaeza gotta install flash player :(
02:23 kaeza VanessaE: don't know very much about the amiga. Is it a tower? Found this on Wikimedia: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Amiga_500
02:23 RealBadAngel kaeza, http://keepvid.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dvb0Q9htsbBI
02:24 VanessaE kaeza: yeah, that's what most of us call a tower, though the Amiga is not normally seen in that format.  It normally looks like this: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A500.jpg
02:24 RealBadAngel you can download just any streamin vid (like youtube) through this site
02:24 sokomine the amiga 500 was one of the most popular computers about 20-25 years ago - along with the atari st and c64 (the amiga 500 was more advanced). the computer was integrated into the keyboard (or rather the keyboard into the computer)
02:25 kaeza RBA: now DL'ing. Thanks for the tip. Didn't know keepvid, silly me.
02:25 VanessaE keepvid is a handy site, for sure.
02:25 VanessaE kaeza: that A500.jpg is a typical Amiga 500, use that and ones that look like it as your guide for the shape and imagery for that particular machine.
02:26 Dogzilla131 Whats the rules to put a mod in the forum
02:26 VanessaE (too bad Minetest doesn't support proper 3d models yet, this is the sort of thing where a real vector-based model would look good)
02:26 kaeza true
02:26 VanessaE Dogzilla131: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1271
02:29 kaeza RBA: O_o
02:30 kaeza more like :O
02:31 RealBadAngel kaeza, you could make models in blender
02:31 RealBadAngel and make them entities
02:31 kaeza but will they work on vanilla MT?
02:31 RealBadAngel pretty soon
02:32 kaeza is it official? cool
02:32 RealBadAngel with Taoki patch coming soon
02:32 RealBadAngel shes workin now only on controls
02:32 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/mc.png
02:33 kaeza For now nodeboxes will have to do :(
02:33 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/hulk.png
02:34 kaeza cool
02:36 sokomine what's the current status of the model-version? it adds two things i'm really looking forward to :-)
02:37 kaeza VanessaE: About the Amiga 500, does it use a monitor or a TV?
02:37 kaeza like the speccy
02:37 RealBadAngel sokomine, Taoki got now my patch to read the keyboard, shes on with it to apply controls to the models
02:38 kaeza nevermind Wikisearched it
02:38 RealBadAngel kaeza, a500 used a monitor, or a TV with tv module attached to it
02:39 * sokomine hops around happily
02:39 kaeza RBA: got it
02:39 RealBadAngel http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Amiga500_system.jpg
02:40 * sokomine dreams of animated animals which now might be possible
02:40 sokomine (at least one can hope for)
02:40 RealBadAngel sokomine, when this got merged also carts, boats, lifts or whatever in this style will be possible
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02:41 VanessaE kaeza: a monitor.
02:41 InuGloop woof. :3
02:41 kaeza RBA: Fast & Furious: Mine Drift
02:41 VanessaE hey neko
02:41 InuGloop nu
02:41 InuGloop me doggy. :3
02:41 VanessaE meh
02:41 InuGloop (Inu == Dog)
02:41 InuGloop eh. I'm bored.
02:41 RealBadAngel play some mt
02:42 NekoGloop not until you idiots actually halfass it at least.
02:42 kaeza wat
02:42 RealBadAngel NekoGloop, still having a period?
02:43 kaeza lol
02:43 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: still being a douchebag?
02:44 kaeza https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/memes/W2x4iH9450iId5W7MfuYvw2.jpg
02:44 NekoGloop kaeza: Seems legit
02:44 VanessaE kaeza: haha
02:44 NekoGloop Dude builds giant castle. Dude gets bored.
02:45 NekoGloop Dude wasted (equivalent of) at least 10 diamond picks.
02:45 sokomine diamond picks? they last for days...must be a really huge building!
02:46 NekoGloop sokomine: you must limit their use to obsidian (like i do)
02:46 kaeza yeah, but also happens on MT
02:46 kaeza I wasted 5 Mese picks in the process
02:46 sokomine i know them only from the kingarthur server. there they proved almost indestructible. mese-picks are by comparison like wood-picks...as far as durability is concerned...
02:47 NekoGloop kaeza: mese picks are wimpy.
02:47 NekoGloop sokomine: minecraft.
02:47 sokomine there's no obsidian on that server so i don't know how hard to pick up that is
02:47 sokomine aah. ok
02:47 VanessaE fuck all of those - Admin Pick (maptools) FTW! :-)
02:47 NekoGloop yeah diamond picks are useless in MC, except for obsidian.
02:47 VanessaE instant dig (except on unknown blocks), never wears out :-)
02:47 NekoGloop better to get a dark matter pick
02:47 kaeza VanessaE: like the mese pick was on pre 4.0
02:48 VanessaE 4.0!?  *grumble*
02:48 VanessaE *growl*
02:48 kaeza 4.x*
02:48 NekoGloop kaeza: 0.4.x
02:48 VanessaE OH POINT FOUR POINT ECKS.
02:48 VanessaE :)
02:48 NekoGloop kaeza: lend me your damn time machine.
02:48 VanessaE lol
02:48 kaeza sorry my mistake :)
02:48 kaeza lol
02:49 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm8iBU7TkmI&amp;feature=related
02:49 kaeza that would be like 3012?
02:49 NekoGloop kaeza: dont know, you have the time machine.
02:51 kaeza VanessaE: LIMA OSCAR LIMA
02:56 VanessaE heh
02:56 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSl7-Q0K-XI&amp;feature=related :3
02:59 kaeza double post!!
02:59 kaeza :)
03:00 NekoGloop is it international double post day?
03:02 kaeza :?
03:03 RealBadAngel funny
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03:03 RealBadAngel get_nodedef_field function described in api seems to not exists at all
03:04 kaeza_ brb
03:04 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: that's because this is opensource.
03:04 NekoGloop tis source code griefing.
03:04 NekoGloop :3
03:04 kaeza_ lol
03:05 RealBadAngel only instances found by grep are api doc and my mod
03:05 sokomine griefing...that would mean that we'd take code out of it. most of the time people seem to put something in...griefers hardly do that :-)
03:05 sokomine except when they got lava or something like that
03:05 RealBadAngel sources are not infected with such function
03:06 VanessaE speaking of griefing, FINALLY the method of using a sapling to destroy chests has been fixed.
03:07 sokomine excellent!
03:07 RealBadAngel waited for days to be merged
03:07 RealBadAngel as always here
03:08 RealBadAngel if its new added, we have to think bout it, no need to hurry
03:08 RealBadAngel if its two weeks old, its unusable to merge, tree changed
03:08 RealBadAngel and joins the history
03:08 VanessaE seems that way sometimes, doesn't it
03:09 RealBadAngel sometimes?
03:09 RealBadAngel minetesttimes
03:09 RealBadAngel i wont be contributing to the engine anymore
03:09 VanessaE heh
03:09 VanessaE ok all-the-times :-)
03:12 VanessaE keep contributing, just be sure you git pull from upstream frequently so your patches don't go out of date
03:13 VanessaE that said, I'm more than a tad irritated at the commit rate in minetest_game also.  I've got stuff sitting there waiting to go in for ages now, and just refresh and re-issued pull-requests today at PilzAdam's request (because he doesn't like multiple commits per request)
03:13 RealBadAngel like last time, c55 suggested changes
03:13 RealBadAngel i did them
03:14 RealBadAngel than he said he doesnt like one variable i keep using
03:14 Muadtralk what variable was it?
03:14 RealBadAngel bit packed keyboard input
03:14 RealBadAngel very usable for me
03:15 RealBadAngel all pressed keys in one integer
03:15 RealBadAngel he likes tables with left=true/false and so on
03:16 RealBadAngel i like if pressed&1  then user pressed left
03:16 RealBadAngel if pressed&15 then player pressed ANY of movement keys
03:17 RealBadAngel but fuck no, better to write dumb snakes with checks for bools
03:18 RealBadAngel which is GREAT for targeted low end machines
03:19 RealBadAngel some1 here never learned to optimize the code fore effectivness and speed
03:21 RealBadAngel so we are forced to make zilions of node definitions for furnaces
03:21 RealBadAngel having 100 objects in the game produces 10 times more node defitions
03:21 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: calm the fuck down
03:22 RealBadAngel im calm
03:22 RealBadAngel and pissed off
03:23 sokomine how can we cheer you up?
03:23 RealBadAngel and wont be coding anymore 2 days in a row
03:23 RealBadAngel then ask 2 weeks  "please can you take a look on my code"
03:23 sokomine ah yes..know that. one does invest a lot of time and then nobody likes it and people only complain :-(
03:24 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: Finally realized that celeron doesnt like modders?
03:24 thexyz > waited for days to be merged
03:24 RealBadAngel and pilzadam says he doesnt know c++
03:24 thexyz did you see the diff?
03:24 RealBadAngel c55 said hes not the only one with right
03:24 RealBadAngel *s
03:24 RealBadAngel thexyz sent me to darkrose
03:25 VanessaE thexyz or someone who feels up to it, please merge pull requests 51 and 52.
03:25 thexyz i've already specofied my position on it
03:25 RealBadAngel this way we gonna have only fixes to rise of the trees got merged, eventually
03:25 thexyz your patch will be included with Taoki's one
03:26 RealBadAngel thexyz, in polish we got a word for it "spychologia", means im not willin to take it on me, get the fuck out, and ask somebody else
03:27 thexyz and even those fixes can't ve written correctly (both provided by Uberi are wrong, for example)
03:27 thexyz you still don't understand
03:27 thexyz can you read my message? it WILL be merged
03:28 thexyz there's no need to chanve protocol twice when it could be done once
03:28 RealBadAngel you know that we are waitin almost two weeks to continue?
03:28 RealBadAngel 3d models could be done 2 weeks ago
03:29 RealBadAngel thats what im talkin about
03:29 thexyz i don't see a relation here
03:29 RealBadAngel you have blocked the patch needed by Taoki to continue
03:30 thexyz err, you'd better learn to read
03:30 RealBadAngel after two weeks you have forced Taoki to work on my branch
03:30 thexyz VanessaE: sorry, i can't test or merge anything from my android phone
03:31 RealBadAngel no, you try to understand what you are doing to the future of the game
03:31 thexyz i told her earlier
03:31 VanessaE thexyz: ok]
03:31 RealBadAngel that "solution" i suggested to Taoki week before you did
03:32 RealBadAngel but she wanted to work on merged code
03:32 thexyz so what?
03:32 RealBadAngel so nothin.
03:32 RealBadAngel im out of engine development
03:33 thexyz ok
03:34 RealBadAngel it takes more time running around asking than actually write something
03:34 RealBadAngel and this is fucking annoying
03:36 RealBadAngel this way minetest treats contributors soon you will have 0 pull requests
03:37 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: Like the way you fight off new modders with a heated cattle prod?
03:38 RealBadAngel i dont fight them you moron
03:38 RealBadAngel i tried for days to get you doing something usable
03:38 RealBadAngel just not another set of tools
03:39 RealBadAngel and you have proven you can do that
03:39 NekoGloop and then you continued to call my code shit.
03:39 thexyz yep, yep, so if you don't have anything more to say, i'd better leave right now
03:40 RealBadAngel yes of course, i called your code shit and merged it to technic
03:40 RealBadAngel perfect logic
03:40 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: Then rewrote it entirely for your electric rendition.
03:40 RealBadAngel gimme your's dealer phone number, he sells good shit
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03:41 VanessaE I think the lesson we all need to take from this whole argument is that we need to be a bit less picky about the exact nature of peoples' contributions
03:41 jordan4ibanez lol i did everything
03:41 jordan4ibanez you're all st00pid
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03:42 NekoGloop VanessaE: heh.
03:42 jordan4ibanez Just kidding.
03:42 kaeza k i'm back
03:42 VanessaE wb
03:42 kaeza what's going on?
03:42 RealBadAngel NekoGloop, even when i rewrote somethin, i was still working on your idea
03:42 VanessaE kaeza: NekoGloop and RealBadAngel were just about to kiss and make up ;)
03:43 NekoGloop VanessaE: Ew. No. Just, no.
03:43 kaeza ohhh please continue then
03:43 VanessaE lol
03:43 kaeza :)
03:43 jordan4ibanez I come back to this
03:43 jordan4ibanez what the hell is wrong with you peoples
03:43 RealBadAngel the next module im going to release this weekend is a rewrote of SIX mods put together
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03:44 NekoGloop You should add cactusmod and charcoal.
03:44 RealBadAngel creative, inventory+, bags, homepos, craft_guide and default invetory
03:44 jordan4ibanez Where's pilzadam
03:45 jordan4ibanez I want to slap him for his miscoding of tnt
03:45 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: taking his sweet fucking time to show up, that's where
03:45 VanessaE :)
03:45 RealBadAngel all shaked, mixed and made into one
03:45 kaeza jordan: lol
03:45 VanessaE I want to smack him for his griping about my commit-to-pull-request ratio :-)
03:45 Muadtralk jordan4ibanez: we are all crazy thats whats wrong
03:45 jordan4ibanez He did the full_hit or whatever to damage the player on tnt explosion, which causes the windows server to crash
03:46 RealBadAngel wait, its ok
03:46 kaeza It crashes on linux also
03:46 NekoGloop jordan4ibanez: simple.
03:46 jordan4ibanez He should have just done set_hp, I'll post a fix on the forum
03:46 RealBadAngel it was supposed to blow monitor to damage the player
03:46 kaeza RBA:lol
03:46 Muadtralk what matters is that it doesnt work right
03:46 NekoGloop Minetest checks on startup if you are running windows, then subtracts a couple dozen from your FPS.
03:46 Muadtralk yes?
03:46 kaeza It just blows indexing a number
03:47 kaeza NekoGloop: It's the other way around
03:47 NekoGloop kaeza: wut?
03:47 kaeza happens the same with OpenOffice
03:48 kaeza Windows blows up Open Source Software that is
03:48 jordan4ibanez Windows don't do shat
03:48 NekoGloop all open source software checks for windows at startup.
03:48 NekoGloop then does everything it can to fail
03:48 jordan4ibanez You're mom checks the windows at startup
03:48 jordan4ibanez OHHHHHHHHH
03:48 kaeza your*
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03:49 jordan4ibanez http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3843
03:50 kaeza OSS Running under Windows? NOPE! Chuck Gates!
03:50 VanessaE ...
03:52 kaeza jordan: WHISKEY! TANGO! FOXTROT!
03:52 NekoGloop jordan4ibanez: lol
03:53 jordan4ibanez "Some folks have had some luck with 8px and even 4px textures, but the smaller you go, the less detail you can see, and most video devices won't show any further benefit at those sizes (indeed, some folks may even see a performance loss)." I just, can't even
03:54 * jordan4ibanez stands on box
03:54 * jordan4ibanez slits throat
03:54 jordan4ibanez *gurgle*
03:54 NekoGloop jordan4ibanez: best luck is to just screw it all and use vanilla.
03:54 VanessaE forget it jordan, I've already seen the claims.  even c55 has made mention of that.
03:54 VanessaE the smaller you go, the faster your video card can read the textures, until it gets below the latency of the card's electronics and driver.
03:55 VanessaE and the less time the game takes to start up as well, again to a point.
03:55 jordan4ibanez This guy "graywolf777" Is just, horrible, and the fact that he puts "-graywolf777" at the end of his posts, not even his sig, his posts, i just, can't even
03:56 jordan4ibanez I didn't see your name there, thanks for showing me friend!
03:56 VanessaE if you have such a problem with the forums, stop reading the forums.
03:56 Kacey joined #minetest
03:56 kaeza The problem (to the extent of my knowledge) is that drawing a 1x1 image is slower than just filling one or two polygons.
03:56 Kacey hello
03:56 NekoGloop if you have a problem with minetest, stop playing minetest.
03:56 Muadtralk no its just an issue with graywolf whateverhis name is
03:57 jordan4ibanez Minetest should be on the N64
03:57 VanessaE evening kacey
03:57 kaeza hello Kacey
03:57 Kacey who wants to help make a nuclear disaster map?
03:57 jordan4ibanez I'll compile a cartridge for you guys later.
03:57 Kacey lolz
03:58 kaeza http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3662
03:58 jordan4ibanez "WHOA!!!!"
03:59 kaeza nuff said
04:00 Kacey anyone?
04:00 jordan4ibanez Do you guys remember? https://github.com/erlehmann/minetest-delta
04:00 Muadtralk yes
04:00 Muadtralk yes
04:00 Muadtralk yes
04:00 Muadtralk I still play it on occasion
04:00 Muadtralk when i get bored of minetest
04:01 * Kacey feels a little invisible
04:01 jordan4ibanez Hi Kacey
04:01 Muadtralk no no kacey i can see the swag your emitting
04:01 VanessaE Kacey: the world has too many "doomsday" or "apocalypse" themes already.
04:02 VanessaE try something truly constructive.
04:02 Kacey ooh ok how about a utopia map?
04:02 Muadtralk boring
04:02 Muadtralk make a adventure map
04:02 Muadtralk like a real one
04:02 kaeza Muadtralk: lol
04:02 kaeza that would be cool
04:02 Muadtralk not just a themed map
04:02 Muadtralk something with a story
04:03 Kacey how do i make an adventure map?
04:03 Kacey brb
04:04 Kacey back
04:04 jordan4ibanez http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53275#p53275 Post #6 , I think that may be a fake account
04:04 jordan4ibanez Lmao.
04:06 Kacey viron?
04:06 kaeza what?
04:06 Kacey the sixth post is by viron
04:07 Kacey ok who wants to help make the map?
04:08 jordan4ibanez I wanted to play on redcrab 's server, but i got lost
04:08 Kacey lol
04:08 kaeza http://fuuu.us/239
04:09 Muadtralk i tihnk i got banned from gameboom
04:09 Muadtralk think*
04:09 Muadtralk this is a first
04:10 Kacey all help is welcome to play
04:10 Kacey to help on my adventure map
04:10 VanessaE Muadtralk: you sure you have exactly the right git commit build to play on gameboom? :-)
04:11 kaeza jordan: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/memes/6rZUNwHmMYHnFOwB2H40iWPRMU5VRgtM.jpg
04:11 Kacey 67.162.156.91 port 30000
04:11 VanessaE that server goes out of date faster than firefox :-)
04:11 Muadtralk hey!
04:11 Muadtralk i like firefox
04:11 Kacey i like chrome
04:11 VanessaE so do I :-)
04:11 VanessaE (ff)
04:11 kaeza me too :)
04:11 kaeza :(
04:11 VanessaE but that doesn't change the truth :-)
04:12 kaeza I like IE http://fuuu.us/86
04:13 jordan4ibanez I like midori and safari
04:14 kaeza I like dillo. Beat that!
04:14 jordan4ibanez http://www.twotoasts.de/media/Midori-0.4.7_setup.exe#!sha1!f0bbac56c83b1864c03cfbc130fc670a1fb851cc
04:14 Muadtralk I like Butterfly!
04:14 jordan4ibanez Try it, you have no choice.
04:15 kaeza Sorry, using chromium :)
04:15 Muadtralk what is this foriegn thing..... an .exe? what is such magic
04:16 jordan4ibanez It comes in 548 linux packaging systems too!
04:16 kaeza He uses Window$
04:16 VanessaE Muadtralk: some obsolete format, works on these things called...oh what were they.."window" machines?
04:16 jordan4ibanez Linux may be great, but the fact there are so many distros, ruins the goodness of linux
04:16 VanessaE so don't run "so many".  pick one that works and stick to it.
04:16 jordan4ibanez Which one, there are over 9000
04:17 VanessaE xubuntu or mint probably.
04:17 Kacey 67.162.156.91 port 30000 if you want to help
04:17 kaeza *thinks the statement said by jordan is true
04:17 jordan4ibanez I'll have to create a linux distro to help me choose linux distros
04:17 kaeza jordan: have you tried Ubuntu?
04:17 jordan4ibanez I've tried from gentoo to ubuntu lol
04:17 VanessaE gentoo if you wanna be a geek about it, arch if you wanna draw Calinou's ire :-)
04:17 jordan4ibanez Everythin in between
04:17 Kacey how do you seet the spawn
04:17 VanessaE I didn't Ubuntu - I said xubuntu.
04:18 VanessaE as in ubuntu with a sane desktop.
04:18 kaeza If you look for something Windows-ish, I suggest you Puppy Linux
04:18 kaeza Is sane for desktop? thought it was a lib for scanners :)
04:18 jordan4ibanez I like having the choice of software, I loved linux, when steam4linux comes out i might dualboot debian again
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04:19 kaeza hey Doc
04:19 Doc22 Hey
04:19 Doc22 on minetest.org:30004
04:19 Doc22 octuworld
04:19 VanessaE I haven't used windows as a home computer OS in...  oh, 15 years now
04:19 Doc22 there are nonsolid blocks
04:19 Kacey hey doc
04:19 kaeza VanessaE: +1000
04:20 Doc22 what is the recipe
04:20 Doc22 hey kacey
04:20 Kacey want to help make an epic map?
04:20 Doc22 VanessaE what os do you use?
04:20 Doc22 what kind of map kacey
04:20 VanessaE Doc22: Linux.
04:20 Kacey adventure map
04:20 Doc22 what dist
04:20 kaeza VanessaE:what dist
04:20 VanessaE (or, GNU/Linux if you wanna be pedantic about it) - Xubuntu 12.04.
04:20 kaeza ?
04:20 Doc22 i got an ida kacey
04:20 Kacey ?
04:20 Doc22 ok
04:20 jordan4ibanez Linux needs a real distro
04:20 Doc22 I like ubuntu
04:20 Doc22 yeah
04:20 jordan4ibanez One operating system
04:21 jordan4ibanez Like, ubuntu, ubuntu is doing nicely
04:21 Kacey 67.162.156.91 port 30000
04:21 Doc22 like the "official" linux
04:21 jordan4ibanez Got valve on their side
04:21 Doc22 and kacey
04:21 Doc22 not right now
04:21 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: http://xkcd.com/927/
04:21 Kacey ooh ok
04:21 Doc22 so who knows the recipe for nonsolid blocks
04:21 kaeza VanessaE: lol
04:21 Kacey i only have 40 mins today
04:21 jordan4ibanez Thank you! That is the problem with linux, and all of it's distros
04:21 Doc22 or what mod it is
04:21 kaeza so true
04:22 VanessaE xkcd has an appropriate comic for almost every situation :-)
04:22 kaeza I bet you minetest coders have the same problem
04:22 Doc22 lol vanessae
04:22 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: the problem is, if that's what's wrong with linux, how do you fix it *without* doing exactly that?
04:22 Doc22 hrmmmmm'
04:22 kaeza I mean trying to compile on almost 4158965 different OSes
04:23 Doc22 lol
04:23 Doc22 the thing about linux
04:23 kaeza distros*
04:23 Doc22 is that it is a platform for everyone to make their own os
04:23 Doc22 and that is worth more that a uniform os
04:23 Doc22 it teaches people valuable skills
04:23 jordan4ibanez There are the main types of linux 'stros, Base (debian, gentoo, arch, etc...) - Build-offs (Ubuntu, sabayon, archbang, etc) - Remixes (Mint, arch4free, satanicUbuntu, etc..) and shit
04:24 kaeza Doc: true, but also leads to tons of code duplication
04:24 Doc22 yeah i guess thats true
04:25 VanessaE "archbang"?  (lovechild of crunchbang and arch?  o.O (
04:25 jordan4ibanez Yes
04:25 kaeza I mean, for example, browsers, we have Chrome, Chromium, Firefox, Dillo, Midori, etc, etc
04:25 jordan4ibanez Very light, very fast, very, demotivational
04:26 kaeza most of them are the same, with small changes between them
04:26 jordan4ibanez I think snowLinux is the worst I've EVER used, and the beta of elementaryOS latest is fucking orgasmic
04:26 jordan4ibanez Very buggy, but amazing
04:27 Kacey map looking good so far...
04:27 Kacey wish i had some help
04:27 jordan4ibanez ARE YOU ASKING FOR MY HELP KACEY
04:27 jordan4ibanez WHERE IS YOUR MAP
04:27 Kacey 67.162.156.91 port 30000
04:28 Kacey anyone can help
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04:30 jordan4ibanez http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_F9Nrs7ODQ
04:33 Doc22 oldcoder on octu's server what mod adds the nonsolid blocks
04:33 Doc22 like nonsolid dirt
04:34 Doc22 okay octupus
04:34 Doc22 do you know>
04:34 Doc22 err Kacey
04:34 kaeza Is there a mod to add solid invisible blocks? like solid air?
04:34 VanessaE sounds like the camouflage mod.
04:34 Doc22 do you know what the nonsolid blocks recipe is
04:34 Kacey idk
04:34 Doc22 no that is my mod
04:34 Doc22 i would know
04:34 Muadtralk there are nonsolid blocks in one of gatheroths mods
04:34 Doc22 it adds nonsolid blocks like dirt and stone
04:34 Muadtralk search him on the forums
04:34 Doc22 ok
04:35 Doc22 wait i already saw that one
04:35 Doc22 and tried it
04:36 jordan4ibanez If you want to shit yourself laughing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckSBoG-7Vnc&amp;feature=channel&amp;list=UL
04:39 Doc22 lol
04:41 Kacey crap... 20 mins left
04:43 Doc22 for what
04:45 Kacey 15 mins
04:45 Kacey till bedtime
04:46 Doc22 oh
04:46 Kacey ya
04:46 Kacey so if your gonna help hel now
04:46 Kacey help*
04:47 kaeza kacey: lol bedtime? bitch, I'm a coder!
04:48 Kacey me too but i have to go somewhere tomorrow
04:48 mrtux goodnight
04:48 kaeza g'night kacey
04:49 Kacey not yet
04:49 kaeza Is there a mod to add solid invisible blocks? like solid air?
04:49 Doc22 i dont know
04:50 Doc22 well try map tools
04:50 Doc22 wait nvm
04:50 Doc22 that isnt what you want
04:50 mrtux just make a mod that has a transparent texture
04:50 Doc22 it has invisible nonsolid
04:50 Doc22 lol
04:50 Doc22 Dogzilla131_
04:50 Doc22 how do you make the nonsolid blocks in minetest.org:30004
04:50 kaeza Just asking because I don't want to duplicate code
04:50 Doc22 ok
04:51 Doc22 I saw you make tehem
04:51 Doc22 Dogzilla131_?
04:51 kaeza so I'll make them them
04:51 kaeza them*
04:51 kaeza then* *FUCK*
04:52 kaeza That's after I finish the Amiga 500 :)
04:53 Kacey well map looks pretty good
04:56 Kacey bye all
04:56 Kacey left #minetest
05:01 OldCoder Bye
05:04 RealBadAngel too late
05:04 RealBadAngel you should work on reaction time ;)
05:04 OldCoder Yep
05:04 OldCoder Needs more pep
05:04 OldCoder To be hep
05:04 OldCoder RealBadAngel, I am pleased to say
05:04 OldCoder Today
05:05 OldCoder Worlds live again
05:05 OldCoder All of them
05:05 RealBadAngel thx god and oldcoder then :)
05:05 OldCoder Heh
05:05 RealBadAngel well, god is also an old coder
05:05 OldCoder Indeed
05:06 RealBadAngel he wrote all that shit ages ago
05:06 OldCoder It is a patchwork
05:06 OldCoder Someday He will debug
05:06 OldCoder On that day
05:06 OldCoder We'll all need a hug
05:06 RealBadAngel lol
05:06 VanessaE heh
05:07 RealBadAngel so no armaggeddon
05:07 RealBadAngel just day of release stable
05:07 VanessaE problem is, G*d outsourced some of the work to China. :-)
05:08 RealBadAngel that branch wont be merged i think
05:08 VanessaE that's the master branch.
05:09 VanessaE the problem is there's these developers with their "new" code that have been vying for merge rights for 1500 years now.
05:09 RealBadAngel ive seen today funny picture from china
05:09 VanessaE plus another lot whose code is even newer and buggier.. . G*d forbid if their code gets pushed upstream, the world is surely fucked then ;)
05:09 RealBadAngel family denied to sell the house, for the price proposed was too low
05:10 RealBadAngel and they built highway with the house in the middle of it
05:10 VanessaE oh my
05:10 RealBadAngel wait, i will look for pictures
05:12 RealBadAngel http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/kiosk/tak-sie-buduje-drogi-w-chinach,5312643,13179535,fotoreportaz-maly.html#photo13179535
05:12 VanessaE jeez
05:12 RealBadAngel title is "This is how roads are made in China"
05:14 RealBadAngel folks refused to sell the home because money proposed wasnt enough to build new one
05:14 RealBadAngel so now theyre livin on the highway
05:17 * RealBadAngel sings im on the road again...
05:18 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Y3XMmD3qo
05:22 Dogzilla131_ This is one idea that somebody can make it to a mod
05:22 Dogzilla131_ to make notapad in the game
05:23 Dogzilla131_ *notepad
05:23 Dogzilla131_ paper that you can write with
05:24 RealBadAngel why not? metadata can hold anything
05:29 kaeza Dogzilla: you read my mind
05:30 kaeza sorry been playing my bugged minetest world
05:30 VanessaE zzz
05:31 Dogzilla131_ thank you kaeza and RealBadAngel for supporting the idea
05:31 kaeza keep getting those annoying purple objects
05:31 kaeza :)
05:31 kaeza you'll do it zilla?
05:32 kaeza Paper is almost useless in minetest right now
05:32 OldCoder kaeza, explain purple objects
05:32 RealBadAngel purple, scary, brrrr
05:32 kaeza "unknown object"s. Tried /clearobjects but the server crashed
05:33 VanessaE he uses my HDX pack I think, so "Unknown block" and related are purple
05:33 kaeza these were leftovers from MOBF
05:33 kaeza VanessaE: yes
05:33 VanessaE they should be ordinary entities then, a /clearobjects should have killed them off.
05:34 kaeza wait. I'll try again
05:35 kaeza now clearing
05:36 kaeza VanessaE: are they purple? sorry, I'm just guessing. I'm colorblind
05:37 kaeza lol :)
05:37 VanessaE no wonder you like HDX ;)
05:37 kaeza how much does /clearobjects take?
05:37 kaeza long*
05:38 VanessaE anyway, "unknown block" is a sort of lavender purple, "item" is cyan, "object" is magenta.
05:38 VanessaE it takes quite a while actually, especially if lots of the map is active.
05:38 kaeza just confused unufiedbricks' "bright green" for yellow :(
05:38 VanessaE heh
05:40 kaeza it's a 1000x1000x1000 map IIRC
05:40 VanessaE that ain't small, for sure.
05:41 kaeza removing unused chunks, it should make 500x500x500
05:41 kaeza It's still pretty big i guess
05:41 RealBadAngel ive just dumped all the items inventory_image for all registered ones
05:41 RealBadAngel and i wonder
05:41 kaeza core dumped :(
05:42 RealBadAngel VanessaE, read it too
05:42 VanessaE I really wish someone would make a tool that will go through, diff a used world against a clean one from the same seed, and apply those changes to the clean one, so we can get newly-generated terrain ( = stuff like moreores can run)
05:42 RealBadAngel why some definitions have and most not?
05:42 kaeza VanessaE: +100000
05:42 RealBadAngel from flowers only dandelion white have it
05:42 VanessaE RealBadAngel: because some stuff doesn't need a separate inventory image.
05:42 RealBadAngel my stuff needs :)
05:43 kaeza I started a new world using the same seed and have been worldediting to copy my buildings. It's a mess
05:43 VanessaE I only use such if the item placed in the world needs to look different from the inventory, such as a fence or a fridge
05:43 RealBadAngel i know
05:43 RealBadAngel but there should be predefined image for inventory
05:44 RealBadAngel created on register
05:44 RealBadAngel like now i want to get all the inventory images
05:45 RealBadAngel and cant
05:45 RealBadAngel i will have to rewrote in LUA the code theyre made in c++
05:50 RealBadAngel well, there is one definded inside the game
05:57 kaeza Can you help me with this? http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3846
05:59 VanessaE "creative inventory size: 928"  <-- that's all? :-)  1110 here :-)
06:00 VanessaE I've seen that std::bad_alloc error before, in my case it was an out-of-memory issue.
06:00 kaeza been removing mods to try and isolate problem
06:00 kaeza Isn't 4GB enough?
06:00 VanessaE (x86 can't access more than 3GB RAM, and my copy wanted to push just beyond that, so I updated to the AMD64 of my distro)
06:00 VanessaE 4GB is fine --- if you're running AMD64.
06:01 VanessaE if you're on x86, you lose that last 1GB.
06:01 kaeza i686 :(
06:01 VanessaE and if you run my HDX pack, you need all the RAM you can get.
06:01 kaeza hmmm... I'll try again with the default pack
06:02 kaeza If that helps, maybe I'll try your 64px pack
06:02 VanessaE we should rename the game Memhogtest ;)
06:02 kaeza lol
06:02 VanessaE no, don't both with the 64px one.  Either use the 512px one or drop to default temporarily.
06:02 VanessaE bother*
06:02 kaeza That's OK. Windows notepad uses about the same :)
06:04 kaeza now trying...
06:06 kaeza does it inform you or something when finished?
06:06 VanessaE I think it just says "cleared all objects" when done
06:07 kaeza it's hogging all my CPU time right now. I think it's doing something at least
06:07 VanessaE well that's a good sign anyway :-)
06:08 kaeza I miss your textures :(
06:08 VanessaE well you can always re-install them when this is done :-)
06:09 kaeza re-install? O_o
06:09 VanessaE re-install my textures I mean - as in re-enable them :-)
06:09 kaeza It's Linux! Let's play with symlink!
06:09 VanessaE hehe
06:10 VanessaE well I just tweak ~/.minetest/minetest.conf to point to where the textures are ;-)
06:10 kaeza core dumped
06:10 kaeza :(
06:10 VanessaE eek
06:10 kaeza same traceback as before
06:11 VanessaE so much for that idea.
06:11 kaeza I think I'll just keep copy-pasting my city into a new world
06:12 kaeza Using worldedit I mean
06:12 kaeza Or maybe upgrade :P
06:13 VanessaE worldedit.
06:13 VanessaE throwing hardware at a software problem is a sign of being a geek, but in this case celeron55 or someone just needs to do the right thing and fix the bug :-)
06:16 Dogzilla131_ Finish my fisrt mod http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53263#p53263
06:16 Dogzilla131_ *first
06:17 VanessaE Dogzilla131_: suggest swapping the recipes for US and British flags - "red white and blue" is a common phrase here describing the colors of the US flag, while Britons I guess call their the "Union Jack" rather than by its colors.
06:21 RealBadAngel VanessaE, 1297 here, and i got just 7 mods
06:22 RealBadAngel now you see the point for set_nodedef_meta
06:23 VanessaE heh
06:23 VanessaE I guess, but then we don't get to artificially pad those numbers ;)
06:23 VanessaE besides,
06:23 VanessaE there is one problem:
06:24 RealBadAngel go on
06:24 VanessaE how do you reconcile mods that rely on modifying a node's definition to get all the shapes, against creative inventory?
06:24 VanessaE where all the shapes have to be there to give the player something to select.
06:24 RealBadAngel how much ticket to finland costs? ;)
06:25 RealBadAngel creative is always one model no matter what
06:25 RealBadAngel what is on the ground creative gives no fuck
06:25 VanessaE so you're suggesting dozens of models of something in creative, but the textures/colors thereof being assigned in realtime?
06:25 RealBadAngel STOP!
06:25 VanessaE (dozens as in various shapes of stairs for example)
06:26 RealBadAngel turn around and go to the starting point
06:26 VanessaE ok ok ok
06:26 VanessaE wait.
06:26 RealBadAngel ONE definition
06:26 VanessaE you stop for a second.
06:26 VanessaE listen:
06:26 RealBadAngel ok
06:27 VanessaE Ok.
06:27 RealBadAngel so whos listening?
06:27 RealBadAngel :)
06:27 VanessaE Suppose you want to write a mod that adds six objects:  a sphere, a pyramid, and a slab, each in two colors.
06:28 VanessaE in the existing situation, all 6 are in creative inventory.
06:28 RealBadAngel yes
06:28 VanessaE in your solution, what would be the case?
06:28 RealBadAngel now:
06:28 VanessaE in just this hypothetical mod
06:28 RealBadAngel divided by two
06:29 RealBadAngel sphere, pyramid and slab
06:29 VanessaE ok
06:29 VanessaE good.
06:29 VanessaE now,
06:29 RealBadAngel with colorized textures on demand
06:29 VanessaE how does the user tell which color the selected object shall be?
06:29 RealBadAngel by using paint?
06:29 VanessaE ok.
06:29 VanessaE now..
06:29 VanessaE let's try a different tack:
06:30 RealBadAngel wait a sec
06:30 VanessaE no, wait.
06:30 VanessaE let me finish.
06:30 VanessaE Suppose you want to write a mod that adds six objects:  a sphere, a pyramid, and a slab, each in available in three PATTERNS - brick, cobblestone, glass.
06:30 VanessaE that's 9 objects in creative inventory.  How will you do this?
06:30 VanessaE remember:  creative mode is NOT supposed to require crafting.
06:31 RealBadAngel youre tryin to approach the problem from the very end. like decidin the furniture for kithchen before its made
06:31 VanessaE s/"six objects"/"nine objects"/
06:31 RealBadAngel look at the simpler objects
06:32 RealBadAngel the pipe or the wire
06:32 VanessaE yes
06:32 RealBadAngel we do have now 64 definitions
06:32 VanessaE for those, this makes perfect sense.
06:32 VanessaE but you're still missing the point:
06:32 RealBadAngel lets cut it to 1
06:32 RealBadAngel not really
06:33 RealBadAngel introduce phases
06:33 VanessaE phases?
06:33 RealBadAngel animation phase=1,2,3,4....
06:33 RealBadAngel what you have just got?
06:33 VanessaE I don't follow.
06:33 RealBadAngel PUMP! for example
06:33 VanessaE ok
06:33 VanessaE right,
06:34 VanessaE so you suggest placing one object in the world and then re-defining that object periodically to animate it.
06:34 RealBadAngel within one node definition
06:34 RealBadAngel yes
06:34 RealBadAngel c55 made the patch
06:34 RealBadAngel its working
06:34 VanessaE ok.
06:34 VanessaE fine, that works okay.
06:34 VanessaE but you are *still* missing a point:
06:35 VanessaE you propose also that this should work for something like coloredwoods or unifiedbricks, right?
06:35 RealBadAngel im all *eyes* now
06:35 RealBadAngel all of it
06:35 VanessaE so instead of 87 bricks in the creative inventory, there's 1.
06:35 RealBadAngel yes
06:35 VanessaE ok,
06:35 VanessaE now:
06:36 VanessaE the user picks that one brick item from the creative inventory and places it in their hotbar.
06:36 RealBadAngel can i be faster with an answer?
06:36 RealBadAngel modified one drops original
06:36 VanessaE they place a few in their world.  How, *without crafting*, do they say "I want this brick to be green, this one over here to be red, and this one to be blue"?
06:37 RealBadAngel blue or red will be lost
06:37 VanessaE nonononononono
06:37 RealBadAngel you dig non painted one back
06:37 VanessaE I don't mean when the object is picked up.
06:37 VanessaE I mean when you place it on the ground in the first place.
06:37 RealBadAngel yes
06:37 VanessaE how do you tell the game you want each one to be a specific color?
06:38 VanessaE *without crafting*
06:38 VanessaE remember, this is creative mode.
06:38 RealBadAngel exactly
06:38 VanessaE argh!
06:38 VanessaE hush.
06:38 VanessaE listen to me.
06:38 RealBadAngel i will place a wood
06:38 RealBadAngel take a paint
06:38 VanessaE stop right there.
06:38 RealBadAngel and colour it
06:38 RealBadAngel it will be coloured
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06:38 VanessaE nononononono
06:39 Calinou hi
06:39 RealBadAngel but it wont be an item from creative
06:39 VanessaE shush dammit
06:39 VanessaE hey Calinou.
06:39 VanessaE listen.
06:39 RealBadAngel hi calinou
06:39 RealBadAngel yup
06:40 VanessaE you're trying to say that in creative mode, this hypothetical mod will add no new objects in the creative inventory?
06:40 RealBadAngel just the basic ones
06:40 VanessaE in other words:
06:40 RealBadAngel without any modifications
06:40 VanessaE "untextured sphere", "untextured pyramid", "untextured slab"
06:41 VanessaE yes?
06:41 RealBadAngel most simple"
06:41 RealBadAngel furnace and furnace_active
06:41 VanessaE same difference.  three objects, using the hypothetical example.
06:41 RealBadAngel no need
06:41 VanessaE let's stick to the example.
06:41 RealBadAngel if active replace just one texture
06:42 Calinou <offtopic> /me just ran a glxgears: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1381343/ </offtopic>
06:42 Calinou :D
06:42 Calinou try to beat this
06:42 RealBadAngel if you decided to colour your wood red apply red filter to original wood texture
06:42 VanessaE RealBadAngel: wait wait wait wait wait wait
06:43 VanessaE so sticking strictly to the hypothetical example mod, we have three new, probably greyish objects in the creative inventory, "simple sphere", "simple pyramid", "simple slab".
06:43 VanessaE Calinou: beats the shit outta mine (~8400 fps)
06:43 RealBadAngel Calinou, we know why NASA cannot send mission to Mars
06:43 RealBadAngel youre stolen their mainframe :P
06:43 Calinou :>
06:44 RealBadAngel VanessaE, ok, go on
06:45 VanessaE RealBadAngel: the player picks "simple pyramid" from the creative inventory and places it in their hot bar.  The user wants the pyramid to have a brick texture.  Without crafting anything or applying any kind of modification to that pyramid, how to they place a brick pyramid into their world if all they have is a "simple" one?
06:45 VanessaE the answer is, "they have to paint/texture it" = "they have to modify it"
06:46 RealBadAngel i think you just went a bit too far
06:46 RealBadAngel i was thinkin of modyfing objecst predefined
06:46 VanessaE maybe, but the average player will do this, so you have to plan for it.
06:46 RealBadAngel like the furnace on/off
06:47 RealBadAngel or the wires
06:47 VanessaE ok, so you're thinking strictly of modifying an object the user will never manually apply that modification to, like building a waterworks or complicated circuit
06:47 RealBadAngel that was the idea
06:47 VanessaE where each object placed gets modified by the code in realtime to place only the thing needed.
06:47 RealBadAngel but i can see it can be pushed further
06:48 VanessaE it can be pushed further, i.e. my brick pyramid example.
06:48 mrtux Goodnight.
06:48 RealBadAngel paint is simpler example
06:48 VanessaE anything that need only a few colors/patterns need not have 10,000 nodes defined in creative inventory
06:48 RealBadAngel just paint your walls
06:48 VanessaE yes.
06:48 VanessaE but, the user wants to take a colored wall and place it *already colored* into the world.
06:48 OldCoder It is time rest the head
06:48 RealBadAngel no way
06:48 OldCoder Perhaps in bed
06:48 OldCoder Zzz
06:49 RealBadAngel that could not be done
06:49 VanessaE you want to place a bare, unpainted homedecor picket fence and have the player paint it white
06:49 VanessaE yes?
06:49 RealBadAngel you place base
06:49 RealBadAngel then work on it
06:49 VanessaE then hit it with a paintbrush tool and it turns white.
06:49 RealBadAngel once picked it will become a base
06:50 RealBadAngel no matter mona lisa was there
06:50 RealBadAngel thats node definition restriction
06:50 RealBadAngel just one
06:51 VanessaE ok then what's needed is an extra row of slots at the bottom of the standard inventory section, "Modifiers" where the player can hole many colors of paint or textures or whatever.
06:51 RealBadAngel hey hey
06:51 VanessaE hold*
06:51 RealBadAngel youre a jumper
06:51 VanessaE yep, I am
06:51 VanessaE I jump to the end result :-)
06:52 RealBadAngel 16 base colours
06:52 VanessaE I get plenty of exercise dodging questions and jumping to conclusions :D
06:52 RealBadAngel womenish
06:52 VanessaE :P
06:52 RealBadAngel hehehe
06:52 VanessaE seriously though
06:52 RealBadAngel sure
06:53 kaeza RBA: I like your idea (sorry Vanessa :) )
06:53 VanessaE the player is *going* to want their mods to put everything into creative inventory, and sooner or later someone's gonna make a mod that uses this modified-in-realtime-nodes thing that works realyl 8really* well but behaves wrongly with creative mode.
06:53 RealBadAngel :)
06:53 VanessaE *really really*
06:54 RealBadAngel VanessaE, stop please
06:54 * VanessaE stops and gives up.
06:54 RealBadAngel this way gonna REDUCE creative
06:54 RealBadAngel like 10 times
06:54 RealBadAngel you wont have modified ones in creative
06:55 RealBadAngel like we are using not_in_creative_inventory=1
06:55 kaeza I see the point in RBA's idea... I think... It happens with unified bricks. You have 4671 colors of brick blocks, 4671 colors of bricks, 4671 colors of clay lumps, and 4671 colors of clay
06:55 RealBadAngel if user will modify a node
06:56 RealBadAngel it will stay with this EXACT node
06:56 RealBadAngel one and only
06:57 kaeza what if you put 4671 paint colors, and just one of each of brick block, brick, clay lump, and clay?
06:57 RealBadAngel so if you want to have ZILION of differently painted cobble, go on, take your time
06:57 RealBadAngel happy running around with paint
06:58 kaeza just sayin'
06:59 kaeza oh and BTW I lol'd at your discussion :)
06:59 RealBadAngel lol
06:59 RealBadAngel be my guest
06:59 kaeza :P
07:00 VanessaE bac
07:00 RealBadAngel are we even now? ;)
07:00 VanessaE back*
07:00 kaeza wb
07:01 VanessaE the problem you're not getting RBA is that creative mode is supposed to just let you build without crafting anything, and that includes without having to paint/texture an object after it's been placed in the world.
07:01 RealBadAngel VanessaE, i agree with with the ideas that can push it further
07:01 VanessaE which means your idea can only really work with things like wires, pipes, etc.
07:01 RealBadAngel partially
07:01 RealBadAngel youre going c55 way now
07:01 VanessaE things where it only makes sense for some algorithm to decide what is actually placed when the user places an object.
07:02 RealBadAngel youre seeing the horizon and thinkin if its possible to get there
07:02 RealBadAngel but havent made a single step
07:03 VanessaE no, I'm seeing the point of view of a normal player who barely knows how to install a mod and play the game.
07:03 RealBadAngel we are both coders
07:03 VanessaE "Why can't I place a red brick in the world all I see are simple grey bricks do I have to paint them why aren't they in the creatvie inventory"
07:03 VanessaE (typos deliberate)
07:04 VanessaE this is what you're gonna see.
07:04 RealBadAngel 110% perfect code was never made at the start
07:04 VanessaE heh
07:04 VanessaE with me, 100% perfect code was never made, period :D
07:04 kaeza I think the average player will find it easier to place a base and "paint" than to craft a normal base with a dye.
07:04 VanessaE kaeza: oh sure, in *survival* mode that makes perfect sense.
07:04 VanessaE RBA's idea is a good one, for that mode.
07:05 RealBadAngel VanessaE, let us MERGE it
07:05 kaeza Don't take me wrong, I also see your point.
07:05 VanessaE but for creative mode, the player expects to find the colored object already available for selection from the creative inventory.
07:05 RealBadAngel then we can make whatever we want
07:05 kaeza But cramming creative inv with 213849568624 objects is not smart either
07:06 VanessaE I know.
07:06 VanessaE it sucks.
07:06 RealBadAngel We are talkin now bout usage of the hammer
07:06 RealBadAngel of course it can be used for nails, and to murder some1
07:06 VanessaE I hate having to page through 10000 nodes because each is only barely different from another, to get to just the right one.
07:06 RealBadAngel up to coders ideas
07:06 VanessaE but having just one instead of 10,000 means somewhere along the way, the player is going to have to craft something.
07:07 RealBadAngel but the hammer is needed in the first place
07:07 VanessaE (including crafting the tool that will be used to color the object, which will also surely be an un-textured/un-patterened base object)
07:07 RealBadAngel VanessaE, not really
07:07 RealBadAngel like for the wires
07:07 VanessaE yes yes for wires, pipes, tubes this makes sense.
07:08 VanessaE craft one, place with impunity and let the computer handle routing it.
07:08 kaeza Okay, so now we have 1000 dyes and 1000 buckets/cans of paint
07:08 RealBadAngel code will decide bout connections and make proper ones realtime
07:08 VanessaE that's fine.
07:08 kaeza it's still better than 1000 of each textured/colored object
07:08 VanessaE kaeza: exactly. Sooner or later you have to give the user access to the colors/paints/patterns/textures that are to be applied to that base object.
07:09 VanessaE and there's really only two ways to do that:  put them into the inventory, or put them into some kind of special menu.
07:09 RealBadAngel VanessaE, youre completely wrong
07:10 RealBadAngel i can have 16 color filters
07:10 VanessaE and where does the user see them?
07:10 RealBadAngel and apply them to any node in the world
07:10 RealBadAngel in the world?
07:11 VanessaE your 16 colors of filters.  Where will they be shown to the user?
07:11 VanessaE as objects they can paint with?
07:11 RealBadAngel bucket of paint
07:11 VanessaE ok.  bucket of paint.
07:11 RealBadAngel is a filter
07:11 VanessaE 16 buckets of paints.
07:11 VanessaE and where will they be found?  In the creative inventory, right?
07:12 RealBadAngel yes
07:12 VanessaE ok.
07:12 RealBadAngel like tools
07:12 RealBadAngel or brushes whatever
07:12 VanessaE Now, instead of 16, we have 87 (the unified dyes palette), plus a brick, clay, clay block, fence, stick, wood planks.
07:12 RealBadAngel so
07:12 VanessaE right?
07:13 RealBadAngel get clean brush
07:13 VanessaE wait.
07:13 VanessaE "get clean brush"...how?
07:13 RealBadAngel prepare mixed colour paint
07:13 VanessaE where does the clean brush come from?
07:13 RealBadAngel craft, basic tool
07:13 VanessaE ok.
07:13 VanessaE already creative mode has been violated.
07:13 RealBadAngel wool, stick, stick
07:13 VanessaE "craft" != creative mode.
07:14 VanessaE so this clean brush needs to be in the creative inventory.  That's fine, it's only one object.
07:14 RealBadAngel then use clean brush on the prepared can of paint
07:14 VanessaE ok, and the "prepared can of paint" comes from where?
07:14 RealBadAngel so you got a tool to colorize somethin for lets say 10 times
07:15 RealBadAngel up to you
07:15 VanessaE wait, don't go so fast.
07:15 VanessaE the "prepared can of paint" comes from where?
07:15 RealBadAngel youre of dyes and paints
07:15 kaeza That's what I'm also saying Van
07:15 VanessaE ok, that means all 87 colors have to be in the creative inventory.
07:15 kaeza you only have to have 16 buckets in creative inv
07:16 kaeza yes but only 87
07:16 RealBadAngel youre playing with gimp
07:16 kaeza no 87 bricks/clay/etc
07:16 RealBadAngel make 87 filters
07:16 VanessaE kaeza: right, so far we agree.
07:16 VanessaE now...
07:16 VanessaE here's the sticking point:
07:16 RealBadAngel to colorize anything in the world
07:17 VanessaE we have 87 colors in the inventory plus a clean painting tool (which I assume reverts back to "clean" when used 10 times), plus one each of simple wood planks, bricks, fences, etc.
07:17 VanessaE right
07:17 VanessaE ?
07:17 kaeza right
07:17 kaeza so you have 87+1 objects
07:17 VanessaE well 87 + 1 + around 6 or so, but yeah.
07:17 kaeza you get the point
07:18 VanessaE so that's 94 nodes instead of 500-some.  That's fair.
07:18 kaeza yes
07:18 VanessaE now.
07:19 VanessaE er, not nodes - items/object.
07:19 VanessaE Put a player in front of this design, with only these 94 objects in front of them.
07:19 RealBadAngel is this red?: no, yes, definitely not, propably not, maybe, who knows, i will ask Barbara, who cares?, oh yes it is, but no, of course it is red
07:19 RealBadAngel leave such questions to users :)
07:20 RealBadAngel providing tools is more improtant
07:20 VanessaE the user grabs "dark green dye", a paint tool, and "plain wood planks".  They place a bunch of "plain wood planks" in their world.
07:20 kaeza yes
07:20 VanessaE they paint them by crafting paint tool + dark green dye and then striking the wood planks with the now green painting tool
07:21 kaeza uh huh
07:21 VanessaE ok.
07:21 VanessaE now, they've used up a portion of paint/dye/whatever it's called.  They decide "oops, I need to move that wall over by 1".  They tear down the wall and re-erect it, but now it's plain/unpainted again.
07:22 VanessaE the player's gonna pull a serious "wtf!?" at that.
07:22 RealBadAngel ive reconstructed inventory cubes meanwhile
07:22 kaeza maybe also add a paint thinner (is tht the word) to revert back
07:22 VanessaE does the player get back the dye they used?
07:22 kaeza that*
07:22 RealBadAngel shouldnt
07:23 RealBadAngel eating the cake you get cake back?
07:23 kaeza bad analogy
07:23 RealBadAngel well you can
07:23 RealBadAngel but its not nice
07:24 RealBadAngel assume just not
07:25 kaeza maybe also add a paint thinner (is tht the word) to revert back to the base material (planks)
07:25 kaeza that*
07:25 RealBadAngel not needed
07:25 VanessaE RealBadAngel: in the real world, if you tear down that green wall, you still have a green, if damaged, wall.
07:25 VanessaE the wall doesn't suddenly lose its color.
07:25 RealBadAngel pickin it up will automagically revert it to the base
07:27 RealBadAngel VanessaE, right
07:27 VanessaE ok, so we all agree that in this example, 94 items can replace 500-some in the case of the unified dyes model, or 23 replaces 136 or so in your 16-color model.
07:27 RealBadAngel but this way if you want a node green painted to be permament
07:27 RealBadAngel you shall define it before
07:28 kaeza when did videogames respect the laws in reality? where did Gordon Freeman put the Glock, MP5, EGON, RPG, Gauss Gun, 10 grenades, 20 creepy aliens, and 10 laser trip mines then?
07:28 VanessaE yes, but you're speaking from the standpoint of what the coder wants, not what the player is going to expect.
07:28 RealBadAngel im talkin all the time to temporary changes to already placed nodes
07:28 VanessaE right.
07:28 VanessaE I'm saying some mod author is going to try to use this to do more than what it's intended for.
07:29 RealBadAngel they can persist as long node is placed
07:29 VanessaE just like sapier uses wielditems to create rudimentary 3d mobs.
07:29 RealBadAngel when picked up, we got its definition, unmodified
07:29 kaeza brb
07:30 VanessaE now, on a different issue.
07:30 VanessaE leaving behind the uncolored-items thing and moving on to animation.
07:30 RealBadAngel ok
07:30 ruskie *yawn*
07:31 kaeza what's up ruskie
07:31 * RealBadAngel pours some beer into open wide
07:31 VanessaE celeron55 said that if you execute this modify-in-place code against a node that's already in the world, say a dirt block, it effectively adds a new, modified version of that node to the game's internal node registry.
07:31 VanessaE so instead of one dirt node, we have two.
07:31 VanessaE what happens if you modify the modified node?
07:31 VanessaE do we now have three?
07:32 RealBadAngel a node
07:32 RealBadAngel each one is unique
07:32 VanessaE yeah, like in his original example where he turned an already-existing dirt node into dirt stairs
07:33 kaeza What about defining nodes with not_in_creative_inventory?
07:33 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/nodedef.png
07:33 VanessaE now we have a dirt node and a dirt stairs node.  Suppose now you modify the dirt stairs to look like a fence.  Do we now have three nodes (dirt, dirt stairs, dirt fence), or just two (dirt, dirt fence)?
07:34 RealBadAngel look again at this screenshot
07:34 VanessaE I saw it, rba.
07:34 VanessaE it does not answer my question.
07:34 RealBadAngel yes it does
07:34 RealBadAngel its still a dirt node
07:34 VanessaE no, it doesn't.  I don't see a number in there anywhere.
07:34 VanessaE how.  many.  nodes.  do.  we.  have.  now..?
07:34 VanessaE :-)
07:35 RealBadAngel ONE node can be modified
07:35 RealBadAngel thats a point
07:35 VanessaE node *definitions*
07:35 RealBadAngel not
07:35 RealBadAngel not definitions
07:35 VanessaE c55 said this gets added to the game's internal list of nodes, did he not?
07:35 RealBadAngel existing and placed nodes
07:35 VanessaE yes
07:36 VanessaE if you start the game and it has 100 defined nodes, and you modify one in the world, now it has 101.
07:36 VanessaE that's what I got from the conversation.
07:36 RealBadAngel i need to read the code
07:36 VanessaE you're saying there are still 100 defined nodes and now the map contains one node that has been modified at the map level.
07:37 RealBadAngel if he did it this way thats wrong
07:37 VanessaE e.g. the modifications don't exist anywhere except in the map where that particular, modified node sits
07:37 VanessaE you better check it
07:37 RealBadAngel node modifications shall hold the meta of the node
07:38 VanessaE because, and I hope I'm wrong, his way makes 101 nodes out of the 100 the game started with in this example.  and then 102 if you modify that node again, then 103 if you do it yet again.
07:38 VanessaE at least that's how I understand it from the conversation.
07:38 RealBadAngel i will check it
07:38 VanessaE I can't read his code for no love or money, so I can't check.
07:39 kaeza doesn't the game keep a list of "similar" nodes
07:39 kaeza ?
07:39 VanessaE kaeza: not as far as I am aware.  the game doesn't have such a concept.
07:39 VanessaE again I may be wrong
07:39 kaeza How about defining nodes with not_in_creative_inventory?
07:39 VanessaE kaeza: I already do that in my mods where necessary.
07:40 VanessaE all of the pipes for example, there are 64 of each kind, but only one appears in the cretive inventory
07:40 RealBadAngel kaeza, it done like this now
07:40 RealBadAngel and mods are defining hundreds of nodes
07:40 kaeza yes, but you define 16 colored nodes with not_in_creative_inventory, and just expose the base one
07:41 RealBadAngel then youre sittin at black screen waitin for game to launch
07:41 kaeza oh crap, you're right
07:41 kaeza forget what i said
07:41 VanessaE you suck :)
07:41 RealBadAngel 1297 visible in creative
07:41 kaeza :(
07:41 VanessaE just kidding :)
07:42 RealBadAngel means like 3000 at all
07:42 kaeza :P
07:42 VanessaE haha
07:42 VanessaE maybe not quite *that* many RBA :-)
07:42 RealBadAngel maybe, but close
07:42 VanessaE probably closer to 1800 tops :-)
07:43 kaeza what about that thing you were saying about nodes modified in-place?
07:43 RealBadAngel anyway
07:43 VanessaE kaeza: no one does that yet, it's too new and not even part of mainstream code yet
07:43 RealBadAngel furnace shall be one object
07:43 RealBadAngel not 2
07:43 kaeza oh
07:43 RealBadAngel despite colorizing
07:43 kaeza When will it become official?
07:44 VanessaE what RBA's saying is this modify-in-place method is good for stuff where the computer already decides what to place and when to place things.
07:44 VanessaE which is good.
07:44 VanessaE it's a good idea for that.
07:44 RealBadAngel agreed
07:44 kaeza ok thanks for enlightening me :)
07:45 RealBadAngel no problemo
07:45 kaeza no hay problema*
07:45 VanessaE pipes, wires, anything that has more than one state
07:45 RealBadAngel whatever, just bring the beer ;)
07:46 VanessaE heh
07:46 VanessaE keep yer beer, bring wine coolers :-)
07:46 RealBadAngel i havent made wine this year sadly
07:47 VanessaE RealBadAngel: so, read the code and get back to me when you find out I'm right and you're wrong ;D
07:47 VanessaE then go kick celeron55's ass :D
07:48 RealBadAngel first of all i want to have hardcoded possibility to change cached textures
07:48 RealBadAngel and nodeboxes
07:48 VanessaE I'll tell you what I'd love to see before all of this:
07:49 VanessaE some kind of fucking progress display during the black screen, like what some windows users can see, where textures flick by rapidly during the texture extrude and render steps
07:49 VanessaE make that actually official.
07:49 VanessaE it's enough to tell the user something is happening.
07:50 VanessaE brb
07:50 RealBadAngel how would you measure that?
07:50 VanessaE I wouldn't.
07:50 kaeza maybe counting the amount of textures?
07:50 VanessaE just display the textures as each is processed.
07:50 RealBadAngel 40%of c55 loaded, please be patient? :)
07:50 VanessaE any kind of activity is better than a black screen as long as it makes sense.
07:51 RealBadAngel i made once somethin almost impossible
07:51 kaeza you have 100 textures to load, and loaded 50 so far. So what's the magic number?
07:51 RealBadAngel inside procedure that was reading data from tape
07:51 RealBadAngel ive put tetris
07:52 kaeza wat
07:52 RealBadAngel so user when loading the main program was able to play it
07:53 RealBadAngel it was hard to make
07:53 kaeza The Playstation game "The Four Fantastic" had a mini racing game.
07:53 kaeza The Fantastic Four*
07:54 RealBadAngel kaeza before it was nothing like this
07:54 RealBadAngel i had to sit with a book
07:54 RealBadAngel and count CPU cycles
07:54 kaeza of course it's harder to make if the machine is loading tapes an you cannot squeeze much out of a 2MHz CPU
07:54 RealBadAngel to make it work
07:55 RealBadAngel then if you have some "if" statements
07:55 RealBadAngel code changed
07:55 RealBadAngel and you had to put there NOP
07:55 kaeza I get your point, I'm not that young
07:55 RealBadAngel No Operation
07:56 RealBadAngel to have all the possible ways working the same exact time
07:57 RealBadAngel i was trimming tetris downloader for like a month
07:59 VanessaE back again/
08:00 kaeza wb
08:00 VanessaE sounds a lot like tape loader music in the c64 world.  Similar stuff had to be done for that too.
08:01 kaeza and the speccy used that for some soft also. Don't remember the name of the game though, think it was Larry
08:02 VanessaE RealBadAngel: so, how long till you have a suitable patch for the above-requested progress display? :D
08:02 kaeza It would progressively show an image while the colored stripes where flying in the screen
08:02 VanessaE textures flicking by down in the corner plus a percentage-loaded display makes sense to me.
08:02 VanessaE look at the way OpenArena does it
08:03 kaeza VanessaE: +100
08:03 VanessaE well no, I guess OA's example is a little too different, but point is it displays lots of stuff, most of it doesn't make any sense to me anyway :-)
08:05 kaeza I think basing the percentage display on the number of textures/mods found is good estimation
08:05 VanessaE yes
08:05 VanessaE and if it has to estimate, it should try to overestimate how many textures have to be loaded, so the user never sees it get stuck at 100% :-)
08:06 kaeza good for me
08:06 kaeza estimate let's say 10 textures per mod
08:06 VanessaE hah
08:06 kaeza maybe more
08:07 VanessaE lots more :-)
08:07 VanessaE homedecor has 230 :-)
08:07 kaeza lol the new moreflags mod has about 250
08:07 VanessaE wow
08:07 kaeza Dogzilla is working on it
08:08 kaeza so not all textures are used yet
08:08 kaeza PilzAdam, must have arond 50
08:08 kaeza farming*
08:08 kaeza around*
08:09 VanessaE 36.
08:09 VanessaE at least in the copy I have
08:09 kaeza yes. didn't check mine
08:09 VanessaE (my copy is probably quite out of date)
08:10 VanessaE wonder which one has the most?  probably technic
08:10 VanessaE nope, only 221 there.
08:10 kaeza prolly
08:11 kaeza oh so you win this time :)
08:11 kaeza K/K
08:11 VanessaE lol
08:11 kaeza J/K*
08:11 kaeza but most mods won't use that much, so let's say 50 is a good estimate
08:12 VanessaE moreflags has 18 right now as of 0.1
08:13 VanessaE RealBadAngel: by the way, some of your commit msgs in technic suck ;-)
08:13 kaeza lol
08:13 kaeza so true
08:13 kaeza :P
08:15 RealBadAngel i know
08:15 RealBadAngel feel free to rape me for that
08:15 VanessaE lol
08:15 VanessaE I'm only kidding anyway :-)
08:16 Calinou even iOS app developers have better commit messages
08:16 Calinou "Improved performance" every update.. :P
08:16 VanessaE heh
08:17 RealBadAngel when i posted a simple glitch fix
08:17 RealBadAngel shall i wrote a book on it?
08:17 VanessaE the message was "1"
08:17 VanessaE :-)
08:17 RealBadAngel i did that?
08:17 VanessaE yep
08:17 RealBadAngel uh
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08:17 VanessaE https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/commit/a9325f3088cd1b1318307592114478339004886d
08:18 VanessaE "2"
08:18 RealBadAngel i guess itt was while testin git client
08:18 VanessaE possibly
08:18 RealBadAngel when i moved to linux
08:18 VanessaE of "fix", or "update", etc. :-)
08:19 Calinou RealBadAngel: when did you move to linux?
08:19 RealBadAngel 3 weeks ago i think
08:19 VanessaE it's okay, my git skills are totally unpolished anyway :-)
08:19 RealBadAngel debian now
08:19 Calinou debian stable?
08:19 RealBadAngel yep
08:19 Calinou lol
08:19 Calinou debian rusty :P
08:19 VanessaE lol
08:20 Calinou "debian exists in three flavours: rusty, stale and broken"
08:20 VanessaE and here I was ready with inb4 harshlinux ;)
08:20 VanessaE lol
08:20 RealBadAngel i dont complain
08:20 RealBadAngel once installed its working here
08:20 RealBadAngel no shutdowns
08:20 Calinou it does for 10% of people
08:20 Calinou zero firmware by default :|
08:20 VanessaE ok, time to get to bed.
08:20 VanessaE night all.
08:20 Calinou night
08:21 RealBadAngel nite
08:21 kaeza <offtopic>https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/memes/507c7ec258c79.gif</offtopic>
08:22 RealBadAngel Calinou, im a coder so i think i fit that 10%
08:23 kaeza RBA: Tried Puppy Linux? A full-featured compact distro.
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08:32 BambooVase Is there an available deb package for minetest?
08:34 RealBadAngel easier to compile one
08:36 BambooVase RealBadAngel: I compiled before but it takes 4 hours. So no deb packages available? 0.3 is the only package and its too old
08:41 RealBadAngel 4 hours??????
08:42 RealBadAngel it takes 2-3 minutes on my 3 yrs old box
08:42 RealBadAngel have you dug out 386 or something?
08:46 BambooVase its a p4 1.8
08:47 BambooVase whats the specs on that "old box"?
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08:56 ruskie erm... that doesn't take that much on my amd e-350 box
08:58 BambooVase so I must be doing something wrong.. anyways I will compile now
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09:12 BambooVase hmmm nyuszika7h.. i saw that name before
09:13 nyuszika7h maybe, I tend to idle here, but I only chat rarely when I'm interested in things related to Minetest :P
09:14 BambooVase do you go to #wolfgame?
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09:19 KikaRz Hi there pipolz :)
09:21 ecube ;)
09:22 KikaRz Yay
09:22 KikaRz ecube is here :)
09:22 KikaRz how are you ? :)
09:26 john_minetest hi
09:36 KikaRz hi johny minetesta
09:36 KikaRz ;P
09:37 john_minetest :D
09:37 john_minetest 68 people online so early in the morning (where i live).
09:38 john_minetest and some live in a quite identical time zone.
09:38 KikaRz Hate this fruit mod
09:38 KikaRz it lags the server;
09:38 KikaRz makes items dropped lag the server
09:38 KikaRz and clearobjects take al ot
09:41 KikaRz GJIAS=(FQ"#/
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09:41 KikaRz how i restart server by command?
09:47 KikaRz HUH'
09:47 KikaRz ?
09:48 KikaRz Now : Who griefed M13 server?
09:53 * anunakki yawns
09:56 KikaRz hate that fruits mod
09:59 KikaRz Guys
09:59 KikaRz anunakki or someone
09:59 KikaRz how i restart the server by chat?
10:04 KikaRz come on
10:04 KikaRz Tell me please
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10:21 Aqua hi
10:22 Aqua anyone?
10:22 KikaRz Me
10:22 KikaRz How i restart my server by ingame chat?
10:22 KikaRz i got server priv
10:23 Aqua i dont think you can restart using chat........
10:23 KikaRz fuck this bug
10:23 Aqua what do u mean restart?
10:23 KikaRz Yea
10:23 KikaRz well
10:23 KikaRz like: shutting down server and starting it
10:23 KikaRz thats restart
10:23 Aqua r u Zigz1
10:23 KikaRz Nope
10:23 KikaRz o_o'
10:23 Aqua ohh sorry
10:23 Aqua wrong person\
10:24 KikaRz my server is with some bugs
10:24 KikaRz and i need to restart it
10:24 Aqua just quit minetest and restart  it.....
10:25 KikaRz ...
10:25 KikaRz NOT THAT
10:25 KikaRz my vps is being fixed, but my server is in there online
10:25 KikaRz i cant enter into my vps
10:25 KikaRz and i need to restart servr
10:26 Aqua i dont know
10:26 KikaRz Calinou
10:27 Aqua ask a moderator or someone with a much bigger knowledge then me
10:27 KikaRz OldCoder is away.
10:28 Aqua do you know lua?
10:28 KikaRz Yes.
10:28 KikaRz a bit.
10:29 Aqua you know how to make mods?
10:29 KikaRz Block mods
10:29 KikaRz *nodes mods
10:30 Aqua hav u made one b4?
10:30 KikaRz yep
10:30 Aqua on the forums?
10:30 KikaRz not public release
10:30 Aqua o ok
10:31 Aqua i wanna make a texture pack but i cant be bothered
10:32 Aqua textures take the longest
10:32 Aqua have u tried nubelites pvp server?
10:33 BambooVase Ok i compiled the latest version 0.4.3 and i cant create a new world on singleplayer
10:33 Aqua compiled it on wat>?
10:33 BambooVase debian/linux
10:33 Aqua did it work?
10:33 KikaRz Be sure that there is a worlds folder
10:33 KikaRz and what error gives you?
10:34 BambooVase where do put the worlds folder?
10:34 KikaRz minetest/ folder
10:34 KikaRz there shall be a worlds folder
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10:35 KikaRz RealBadAngel
10:35 KikaRz How i restart my server by chat?
10:35 BambooVase Theres a world folder. when I click new>type world name>create. nothing happens
10:35 RealBadAngel hi again
10:35 RealBadAngel no way
10:35 Aqua hi
10:35 KikaRz GRRR
10:35 RealBadAngel shut it down
10:35 Aqua told u
10:35 KikaRz so?
10:35 KikaRz how?
10:36 RealBadAngel kill the process
10:36 KikaRz ...
10:36 KikaRz not in my computer
10:36 KikaRz in the vps (its in maintance but the server still running)
10:36 RealBadAngel so u have to wait for acess
10:36 KikaRz itll be in 8 hours!!!
10:37 Aqua rba is port fowarding dangerous?
10:37 RealBadAngel not
10:37 Aqua is port fowarding dangerous?
10:38 KikaRz RealBadANgel
10:38 RealBadAngel its not
10:38 KikaRz there isnt no command to shut down the server? i got anti crash on it
10:39 RealBadAngel hmmm
10:39 Aqua but doesnt port fowarding allow others in?
10:39 RealBadAngel try to change ur password to the empty one
10:39 RealBadAngel that shall crash ur server
10:40 KikaRz Password change successful
10:40 RealBadAngel with empty?
10:40 KikaRz all empty?
10:41 KikaRz Old Password empty
10:41 KikaRz New password empty
10:41 KikaRz confirm password empty ?
10:41 RealBadAngel yes
10:41 KikaRz Invalid old password supplied. Password NOT changed
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10:42 Ragnar_ hi
10:42 RealBadAngel https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/3ba9b263103d2cd5218246b05d19b6485347ae28
10:42 RealBadAngel i was talkin bout this
10:42 Aqua hi
10:42 Ragnar_ hi aqua :D
10:42 RealBadAngel maybe ur server got updated
10:43 Aqua ragnar i signed up
10:43 Ragnar_ where?
10:43 Aqua on ur site
10:43 Ragnar_ withch one :D
10:43 Ragnar_ the olympics one?
10:43 Ragnar_ btw, im making a mod...
10:43 Ragnar_ can u make the textures for it?
10:43 KikaRz meh
10:44 Aqua ok
10:44 Aqua yeh the olympics :)
10:44 Aqua brb
10:44 Ragnar_ ow, i didnt get an email thought
10:45 Ragnar_ ow i did :D
10:45 Ragnar_ just got it :d
10:45 Ragnar_ hey who is an artist or just REALLY good at making textures?
10:45 KikaRz well, i know making textures
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10:46 Ragnar_ can you make some for my mod?
10:46 BambooVase hey guys is can you play singleplayer on 0.4.3? because when I create a map, the "select world:" is blank. Help
10:46 Ragnar_ idk...sorry
10:46 KikaRz Did you re-entered game?
10:46 iqualfragile hmm i just cant noclip/fast on singleplayer
10:46 RealBadAngel create world at start
10:47 BambooVase I closed and opened the game. but I still cant create a map
10:47 KikaRz Whats the code line that allows us to get peaceful mobs?
10:47 KikaRz like rats? *_*
10:47 Ragnar_ idk...not making such a mod...
10:47 KikaRz enable_peaceful_mobs ?
10:47 KikaRz or what?
10:49 KikaRz looking into minetest.config.example
10:49 Ragnar_ hey KikaRz
10:49 Ragnar_ can u make some textures?
10:49 Ragnar_ i need 6 rune rextures...
10:49 KikaRz rune?
10:50 Ragnar_ normal, fire, ice, water, earth, air
10:50 Ragnar_ yeah
10:50 Ragnar_ like magic stones
10:50 KikaRz aah
10:50 Ragnar_ can u?
10:50 KikaRz that ones
10:50 Ragnar_ yeah those
10:50 Ragnar_ then .zip them and upload them :D
10:54 Ragnar_ KikaRz?
10:54 Ragnar_ so can u?
10:54 KikaRz wait
10:54 Ragnar_ ok :D
10:54 Ragnar_ btw, the runes are only a part of the mod textures...
10:54 Ragnar_ i still need alot more :D
10:55 Ragnar_ but first things first
10:55 Ragnar_ :D
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10:59 Ragnar_ hey does somebody have an idea what should i use for an air rune?
10:59 Ragnar_ a normal rune and what?
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10:59 Ragnar_ hi adam!
10:59 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
10:59 Ragnar_ hi!
10:59 Ragnar_ hey adam!
10:59 Ragnar_ guess what!
10:59 Ragnar_ im making a mod :d
11:00 Ragnar_ a HUGE mod
11:00 Calinou 12pm :>
11:00 Ragnar_ that will change the whole minetest universe
11:00 Ragnar_ :D
11:00 Ragnar_ hey adam!
11:00 Ragnar_ or calinou!
11:00 Calinou hi
11:00 Ragnar_ what should i use for an air rune?
11:01 Ragnar_ a normal rune and what+
11:01 Ragnar_ i mean as the AIR part of it...
11:01 PilzAdam leaves
11:01 Ragnar_ ow ok :D
11:01 Ragnar_ thats cheap :D
11:02 Ragnar_ hey adam!
11:02 Ragnar_ can u make some textures?
11:02 Ragnar_ for runes
11:02 Ragnar_ hey
11:02 PilzAdam no, im not very good in creating textures
11:03 Ragnar_ ow ok...
11:03 KikaRz Welcome back PilzAdam
11:03 Ragnar_ but...
11:03 KikaRz welcome abck Calinou
11:03 Ragnar_ does the Snow Biomes mod have ice?
11:03 KikaRz RBA (RealBadAngel),
11:03 KikaRz I discovered a command
11:03 KikaRz /shutdown
11:03 Ragnar_ wow!
11:03 Ragnar_ -.-
11:04 KikaRz i know
11:04 Ragnar_ -.-
11:04 KikaRz i discovered a command to turn off my server
11:04 Ragnar_ nobody cares...
11:04 KikaRz it restartes
11:04 PilzAdam <Ragnar_> does the Snow Biomes mod have ice? <- yes
11:04 KikaRz No
11:04 KikaRz They got lava
11:04 Ragnar_ ow nice :d
11:04 KikaRz -.-
11:04 Ragnar_ so its snow:ice ?
11:04 PilzAdam dunno
11:05 Ragnar_ ok...
11:05 Ragnar_ then...umm...can i get snow by digging it?
11:05 Ragnar_ then i could do water+snow=ice
11:05 PilzAdam you get snowballs
11:05 Ragnar_ ow :D
11:05 KikaRz no , you got testicles.
11:05 KikaRz :P
11:05 Ragnar_ somebody kick that a***shole!
11:05 Ragnar_ please!
11:05 KikaRz im a girl
11:06 KikaRz and you started.
11:06 Ragnar_ ok, somebody kick that vaginahole!
11:06 Ragnar_ :D
11:06 KikaRz <Ragnar_> wow!
11:06 KikaRz <Ragnar_> -.-
11:06 KikaRz <KikaRz> i know
11:06 KikaRz <Ragnar_> -.-
11:06 KikaRz <KikaRz> i discovered a command to turn off my server
11:06 Ragnar_ *just the tip*
11:06 KikaRz <Ragnar_> nobody cares...
11:06 PilzAdam Ragnar_, download the snow mod and look for the name of ice
11:06 Ragnar_ ok :d
11:06 Ragnar_ link?
11:07 PilzAdam -> Forum
11:07 Ragnar_ wait got it :D
11:07 Ragnar_ hey btw...how do i get an overview of my map?
11:08 PilzAdam install python and use the minetestmapper.py script that is in utils (or something like this) in your minetest copy
11:08 Ragnar_ thats confusing :S
11:08 Ragnar_ xD
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11:10 KikaRz No it isnt -.-
11:10 KikaRz For reaching something, we need to work
11:10 KikaRz not raining things.
11:10 Ragnar_ it is snow:ice xD
11:10 Ragnar_ damn, im smart as f***k xD
11:10 Ragnar_ hey adam1
11:11 Ragnar_ is_ground_content = true,
11:11 Ragnar_ that means, if you break it, it changes?
11:11 PilzAdam it has no effect on anything
11:11 PilzAdam its completly useless
11:11 Ragnar_ so you cant mine it and have it?
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11:12 Ragnar_ hey KikaRz
11:12 KikaRz What?
11:12 Ragnar_ hows the textures coming?
11:15 Ragnar_ hey adam!
11:18 Ragnar_ hey who knows some lua coding?
11:18 Ragnar_ i need some help with it...
11:19 PilzAdam what help?
11:19 Ragnar_ uses=how many hits can it do, maxlevel=max hearts it can do
11:19 Ragnar_ is it true`?
11:19 Ragnar_ uses=1000, maxlevel=6
11:19 Ragnar_ thats what i typed in there
11:19 PilzAdam no thats not correct
11:19 Ragnar_ uses=?
11:20 Ragnar_ maxlevel=?
11:20 Ragnar_ what are they then?
11:20 PilzAdam https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L493
11:21 Ragnar_ ow...
11:21 Ragnar_ uses=how many hits to dig
11:21 Ragnar_ right?
11:21 PilzAdam no
11:21 Ragnar_ then what... :S
11:21 Ragnar_ i dont understand...
11:21 PilzAdam read the text I linked
11:22 PilzAdam until line 584
11:22 Ragnar_ its so confusing...
11:22 Ragnar_ what do i type if i want to edit the time of hits it can do until it brakes?
11:23 PilzAdam uses
11:23 Ragnar_ thats what i said!
11:23 Ragnar_ uses=1000 is that if i use it for 1000 hits, it brakes...
11:23 Ragnar_ and what is maxlevel then?
11:24 PilzAdam <Ragnar_> thats what i said! <- then you said it in a way that nobody could understand it
11:24 Ragnar_ ok?
11:24 PilzAdam every node defines a level; maxlevel is the highest level the tool can dig in this group
11:24 Ragnar_ ow...
11:25 Ragnar_ but what do i type if i want to edit the hitlevel?
11:25 Ragnar_ like if i hit once, it takes away like...3.5 hearts...
11:25 PilzAdam you want to create a weapon?
11:26 PilzAdam https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L585
11:26 Ragnar_ yeah :d
11:26 Ragnar_ alot of them xD
11:27 PilzAdam read the text i linked slowly and then ask again
11:27 Ragnar_ umm...where is it?
11:27 Ragnar_ in what line?
11:28 PilzAdam from https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L585 until https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L621
11:28 Ragnar_ i dont have that much time...
11:28 Ragnar_ only 25mins left...
11:28 Ragnar_ :(
11:28 Ragnar_ please...
11:29 PilzAdam you cant create a mod in 25 minutes
11:29 Ragnar_ i started it yesterday...
11:29 Ragnar_ i know that...
11:30 Ragnar_ just that will mean that ill have to resume it on wednesday... :(
11:30 john_minetest joined #minetest
11:30 Ragnar_ or here, in estonia, in tuesday...
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11:30 PilzAdam you should have read the whole document; ive pointed you to the correct lines so you dont have to
11:30 Ragnar_ i think...
11:31 KikaRz waiting for m13...
11:32 Ragnar_ i think i found it!
11:32 Ragnar_ punch_operable
11:32 Ragnar_ is it this one?!
11:32 PilzAdam ummm... what?
11:33 Ragnar_ punch_operable=5 takes 5 hp...
11:33 Ragnar_ right?
11:33 Ragnar_ or not...
11:33 PilzAdam were did you read that?
11:33 PilzAdam it is wrong
11:33 Ragnar_ https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L601
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11:34 PilzAdam read the while chapter
11:34 jordach hey guys
11:34 Ragnar_ hey jordach!
11:34 Ragnar_ help me!
11:34 PilzAdam hi jordach
11:35 jordach i had a laughable morning
11:35 Ragnar_ cause adam's being a jerk!
11:35 PilzAdam ...
11:35 Ragnar_ im in a hurry, but he doesnt care...
11:35 Ragnar_ jordach!
11:35 Ragnar_ what do i type to edit the hp a weapon takes away?
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11:36 Ragnar_ i cant even find it in default\init.lua
11:36 Ragnar_ :S
11:36 PilzAdam Ragnar_, protip: reading the chapter of Lua-api.txt i linked is the fastest way to understand it
11:36 Ragnar_ BUT I CANT FIND IT!!!
11:36 PilzAdam have you read the whole chapter?
11:36 jordach and i see PilzAdam is being a coding grammar yahtzee
11:36 Ragnar_ i only have 15 more minutes
11:36 john_minetest minetest.register_tool("default:sword_wood", {
11:36 john_minetest description = "Wooden Sword",
11:36 john_minetest inventory_image = "default_tool_woodsword.png",
11:36 john_minetest tool_capabilities = {
11:36 john_minetest full_punch_interval = 1.0,
11:36 john_minetest max_drop_level=0,
11:36 john_minetest groupcaps={
11:36 john_minetest fleshy={times={[2]=1.10, [3]=0.60}, uses=10, maxlevel=1},
11:37 john_minetest snappy={times={[2]=1.00, [3]=0.50}, uses=10, maxlevel=1},
11:37 john_minetest choppy={times={[3]=1.00}, uses=20, maxlevel=0}
11:37 john_minetest }
11:37 john_minetest }
11:37 jordach john_minetest: ues pastebin please
11:37 john_minetest })
11:37 Ragnar_ xD
11:37 john_minetest jordach: sry
11:37 Ragnar_ and where is it?
11:37 Ragnar_ john_minetest: where is it then?
11:37 PilzAdam Ragnar_, you need to read lua-api.txt to understand how it works
11:37 Ragnar_ i will, but not now!
11:37 PilzAdam there is no field called "damage" or something
11:38 Ragnar_ cause i have less than 15 minutes left!!!
11:38 PilzAdam there is a algorithm behind it that you have to understand
11:38 Ragnar_ I JUST FUCKING SAID!!!
11:38 Ragnar_ ILL LEARN IT WHEN I HAVE THE TIME!!!
11:38 PilzAdam if you would read the chapter in lua-apit.txt you will get it in 5 minutes
11:38 Ragnar_ BUT I DONT HAVE THE TIME RIGHT NOW!
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11:39 PilzAdam 15 - 5 = 10 minutes afterr reading it
11:39 Ragnar_ then give me the line where it is!
11:39 Ragnar_ only 1 line!
11:39 PilzAdam it is not a single line
11:39 PilzAdam its more complex
11:39 john_minetest i think the difference between the weapons is the punch interval.
11:39 Ragnar_ well fuck you then!
11:40 PilzAdam read 7 lines from here: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L585
11:40 john_minetest or look at default/init.lua and look what is the difference between the swords.
11:41 PilzAdam john_minetest, you cant understand it if you just read the default init.lua
11:41 Ragnar_ times={...}
11:41 john_minetest yes, you are right PilzAdam. Ragnar_ : read the lua api doc
11:41 Ragnar_ cmon!
11:41 Ragnar_ you too?=!
11:41 Ragnar_ fuck both of you!
11:42 jordach Ragnar_: chill
11:42 PilzAdam Ragnar_, chill
11:42 Ragnar_ I CANT!
11:42 Ragnar_ I HAVE 10 MINUTES MORE!
11:43 Ragnar_ AND I WANT TO ATLEASE FINISH THAT PART OF IT!!!
11:43 Ragnar_ minetest.register_tool("default:sword_wood", { description = "Wooden Sword", inventory_image = "default_tool_woodsword.png", tool_capabilities = { full_punch_interval = 1.0, max_drop_level=0, groupcaps={ fleshy={times={[2]=1.10, [3]=0.60}, uses=10, maxlevel=1}, snappy={times={[2]=1.00, [3]=0.50}, uses=10, maxlevel=1}, choppy={times={[3]=1.00}, uses=20, maxlevel=0} } } })
11:44 Ragnar_ minetest.register_tool("default:sword_stone", { description = "Stone Sword", inventory_image = "default_tool_stonesword.png", tool_capabilities = { full_punch_interval = 1.0, max_drop_level=0, groupcaps={ fleshy={times={[2]=0.80, [3]=0.40}, uses=20, maxlevel=1}, snappy={times={[2]=0.80, [3]=0.40}, uses=20, maxlevel=1}, choppy={times={[3]=0.90}, uses=20, maxlevel=0} } } })
11:44 Ragnar_ inetest.register_tool("default:sword_steel", { description = "Steel Sword", inventory_image = "default_tool_steelsword.png", tool_capabilities = { full_punch_interval = 1.0, max_drop_level=1, groupcaps={ fleshy={times={[1]=2.00, [2]=0.80, [3]=0.40}, uses=10, maxlevel=2}, snappy={times={[2]=0.70, [3]=0.30}, uses=40, maxlevel=1}, choppy={times={[3]=0.70}, uses=40, maxlevel=0} } } })
11:44 jin_xi aww man pls use a pastebin for that
11:44 Ragnar_ ONLY DIFFERENT THING IS THE { fleshy={times={[1]=2.00, [2]=0.80, [3]=0.40}, uses=10, maxlevel=2}, snappy={times={[2]=0.70, [3]=0.30}, uses=40, maxlevel=1}, choppy={times={[3]=0.70}, uses=40, maxlevel=0} } } })
11:45 Ragnar_ cmon
11:45 Ragnar_ please!
11:46 Ragnar_ :'(
11:46 PilzAdam Damage calculation:
11:46 PilzAdam - Take the time spent after the last hit
11:46 PilzAdam - Limit time to full_punch_interval
11:46 PilzAdam - Take the damage groups and imagine a bunch of nodes that have them
11:46 PilzAdam - Damage in HP is the amount of nodes destroyed in this time.
11:46 Ragnar_ I KNOW THAT!!!
11:46 Ragnar_ wait...
11:46 Ragnar_ Damage in HP is the amount of nodes destroyed in this time.
11:47 Ragnar_ so the smaller the interval is the more damage it does?
11:47 PilzAdam yes
11:47 Ragnar_ OW
11:47 Ragnar_ THANKS
11:47 PilzAdam btw: this is just a copy of the text i linked you since 25 minutes
11:47 Ragnar_ i know!
11:47 Ragnar_ :D
11:47 jin_xi but he only had 15 you see
11:47 Ragnar_ but then what is maxlevel?
11:48 PilzAdam https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L537
11:48 Ragnar_ explane please?!
11:49 PilzAdam every node defines a level; maxlevel is the maximum level that the tool can dig in this group; higher level of node = longer digging time
11:49 PilzAdam and the tool wears out faster
11:49 Ragnar_ ow....
11:50 Ragnar_ so if maxlevel=1000 then it diggs longer than maxlevel=900?
11:50 PilzAdam no
11:50 PilzAdam it depends on what level the node has
11:50 Ragnar_ ok...
11:50 Ragnar_ but if...
11:51 Ragnar_ uses=0
11:51 Ragnar_ then what?
11:51 PilzAdam thats something different; uses = how many nodes can you destroy until the tool braks
11:51 PilzAdam *breaks
11:51 PilzAdam uses = 0; the tool doesnt break
11:52 Ragnar_ ow
11:52 Ragnar_ thats good
11:52 Ragnar_ like i have a mmo:hammerpart
11:52 KikaRz going to make a special tool
11:52 KikaRz Like... A rock :D
11:52 KikaRz a rock: for what it serves? to mine very slowly.
11:53 Ragnar_ its only used for crafting
11:53 KikaRz uses = 5
11:53 KikaRz :P
11:53 Ragnar_ it doesnt brake
11:53 Ragnar_ ok :D
11:53 KikaRz shut up
11:53 KikaRz not cobble.
11:53 KikaRz rock.
11:53 Ragnar_ prick!
11:53 KikaRz yu ass
11:53 Ragnar_ KikaRz got pricked to death!
11:54 KikaRz Ragnar_ got pooped himself to hell!
11:54 Ragnar_ you dont know what "pricked to death" means?
11:54 Ragnar_ on minecraft, if you die because of a cactus, you got pricked..
11:54 KikaRz '-'
11:54 KikaRz yep i know
11:55 KikaRz going to make a mod
11:55 KikaRz well
11:55 KikaRz not making a mod
11:55 Ragnar_ then dafuq is "pooped to death
11:55 Ragnar_ i got 2 mins...
11:55 KikaRz but yes, designing nodes
11:55 Ragnar_ so hurry
11:55 KikaRz pooped to death = you pooped yourself
11:55 Ragnar_ -.-
11:55 Ragnar_ srsly?
11:55 Ragnar_ how old r u...3?
11:56 KikaRz no
11:56 KikaRz 21
11:56 Ragnar_ orly?
11:56 Ragnar_ im 13
11:56 Ragnar_ u wanna cyber?
11:56 Ragnar_ xD
11:57 Ragnar_ well bye
11:57 KikaRz going to make a node
12:06 KikaRz Guys, what are you doing all?
12:07 OldCoder Thinking
12:08 KikaRz People
12:08 KikaRz Hi there OldCoder
12:08 KikaRz how i make in lua
12:08 KikaRz to make a side texture
12:09 KikaRz and a top / below texture?
12:10 jordach good morning OldCoder
12:10 OldCoder jordach, Hi
12:20 john_minetest afaik there is a mod that makes cacti sting.
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12:31 KikaRz Taking Breakfast - BRB
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12:57 KikaRz hi dare.
12:57 KikaRz sumone?
13:00 PilzAdam KikaRz, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1333
13:00 KikaRz what?
13:00 KikaRz too late.
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13:15 OldCoder I am resting again for a bit
13:15 OldCoder Wuzzy, up early!
13:15 OldCoder Muadtralk, Hello
13:15 * OldCoder is resting
13:15 * ruskie starts prepping for his second desert themed build
13:17 * john_minetest is compiling stuff unrelated to minetest
13:20 Wuzzy lol
13:20 KikaRz hi Muadtralk :D
13:20 Muadtralk ello
13:22 KikaRz how are you?
13:25 jordach hello Muadtralk
13:26 Muadtralk good and hello
13:26 OldCoder Back
13:40 * jordach is bored
13:40 ruskie go build something
13:44 KikaRz i want to help
13:44 KikaRz buidling a dangerous city
13:45 john_minetest you could open a server and invite people.
13:47 ruskie I want a MV grinder already... watching this one painfully slowly grind stone to sand is annoying
13:50 KikaRz i cant john
13:50 KikaRz my server is offline
13:50 KikaRz and my computer cant host servers
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13:52 Muadtralk remobo.com KikaRz?
13:52 Muadtralk ever hear of it?
13:53 BambooVase help guys. im using minetest 04. and when i create a world, all the texture on the inventory is missing, but when I create using the development [minimal] textures are there.
13:54 Muadtralk never heard of an error like this before
13:54 Muadtralk hmmmmmm
13:54 Muadtralk is it any world under minetest_game?
13:54 Muadtralk have you tried more then once?
13:54 Muadtralk it may be some strange fluke
13:54 BambooVase Muadtralk: yes, and I also deleted then tried again
13:55 BambooVase on the [minimal] some textures are missing like cobble,wood..
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13:59 john_minetest look if the textures are in the folders.
13:59 BambooVase is this the location of the textures? /usr/local/games/minetest_game/mods
14:07 john_minetest yes, and then /default/textures
14:07 john_minetest there you should see all textures.
14:07 john_minetest if there are textures missing the download was corrupted.
14:08 john_minetest but if all textures are there it might be a bug/ wrong setting/ graphic card failure.
14:08 BambooVase hhmm. they are all there
14:11 john_minetest so this might be a bug or a wrong configuration.
14:11 john_minetest do you have got a good graphic card?
14:12 BambooVase im on an old laptop, but I played this before on an older computer fine.
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14:13 john_minetest try to add this to minetest.conf :      enable_texture_atlas = false
14:14 rubenwardy PilzAdam: minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53331#p53331
14:14 rubenwardy http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53331#p53331
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14:16 BambooVase ok, edited this /usr/local/minetest.conf and still the same. Also i have an error on top ERROR[serverthread]:server peer_id 2 failed to emerge player
14:17 KikaRz no i dont have
14:17 KikaRz and i dont want to have
14:17 KikaRz idk how to work with that
14:22 john_minetest hmmm...
14:23 john_minetest well, then idk what it could be.
14:24 john_minetest maybe ask on the forum.
14:24 PilzAdam rubenwardy, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53333#p53333
14:24 BambooVase ok thanks of the help
14:24 BambooVase going to recompile
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14:29 KikaRz what remobo does? i've forgot.
14:30 KikaRz and i cant host in my pc because it got 512 MB Ram Only
14:30 BambooVase something private network?
14:30 jordach trololol, 1gb here
14:31 jordach (is not at home)
14:31 rubenwardy (2:24:09 PM) PilzAdam: rubenwardy, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53333#p53333
14:31 rubenwardy thank you, replying
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14:35 jordach rubenwardy: i like it currently
14:36 jordach but it needs a LOT MOAR shine
14:37 KikaRz like fucking hamachi
14:38 jordach KikaRz: but without them errors
14:38 jordach with the 5.x.x.x and 25.x.x.x domains
14:43 rubenwardy PilzAdam: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53336#p53336
14:47 jordach rubenwardy: getting there
14:48 KikaRz who got a remobo server?
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14:52 rubenwardy margin fixed
14:57 rubenwardy contribute fixed
15:00 rubenwardy donate finished
15:02 rubenwardy link to wiki done
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15:07 rubenwardy PilzAdam: when you say the links, do you mean the font size, or how big the clickable area is?
15:08 PilzAdam the font
15:08 rubenwardy the top link bar, or the section link bar?
15:08 PilzAdam both
15:08 rubenwardy ok
15:09 PilzAdam and yes, i mean a footer
15:10 PilzAdam the current font for "Minetest" in the header looks good
15:10 PilzAdam but half of the word "world" is still cut off (bottom part)
15:11 PilzAdam "(it is actually "Game Content")" Do you mean that this is the current content? Because for me there is only "Game"
15:12 KikaRz who got a remobo server?
15:13 PilzAdam rubenwardy, IMO remove the background image in the header completly
15:13 PilzAdam or make it all sky
15:14 PilzAdam btw: minetest's sky color is 91bcf9
15:15 john_minetest rubenwardy, the links seem  to be "cut" somehow, at least with my font.
15:15 Muadtralk KikaRz tons of people had them now nobody does :D
15:16 KikaRz so
15:16 KikaRz f*ck this..
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15:16 KikaRz you are telling me to use it
15:16 KikaRz -.-
15:17 Muadtralk i said that cause you said you couldnt host servers
15:17 Muadtralk :|
15:19 KikaRz I cant host because 512 mb RAM and 2 minutes to put a block or processing things
15:19 Muadtralk ive seen servers run on less
15:19 rubenwardy (3:15:03 PM) john_minetest: rubenwardy, the links seem  to be "cut" somehow, at least with my font.
15:19 rubenwardy I am editing it live
15:20 Muadtralk i think i used to play on one that had 192 mb of ram
15:20 rubenwardy PilzAdam: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/index.php
15:20 KikaRz Pentium 4.
15:20 KikaRz Windows XP
15:20 KikaRz not linux
15:20 PilzAdam rubenwardy, "Game content" is fixed now
15:20 KikaRz with XChat on, i cant play
15:21 Muadtralk anyone know why the skybox.png was did away with?
15:21 Muadtralk it was quite nice for make pretty images across the sky
15:21 PilzAdam rubenwardy, the "Contribute" page has a different font
15:22 rubenwardy has it?
15:23 PilzAdam now its ok
15:23 KikaRz Love this form to write:
15:24 KikaRz هArab form :P *-*
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15:24 Octupus Hola
15:24 PilzAdam rubenwardy, Home -> download: the whole page is moved left a bit
15:26 KikaRz Im not going to lie.
15:26 KikaRz I'm in France
15:26 KikaRz I got a live transmission from the Minecon.
15:26 KikaRz Do not kill me. Not my fault. My cousin made me ran out of home
15:26 KikaRz and went to france
15:28 Octupus Minecon is going onm now
15:30 KikaRz yea
15:30 KikaRz i know
15:30 KikaRz i wasnt with a pass.
15:30 KikaRz so
15:30 KikaRz i couldnt enter
15:30 KikaRz but i got a live transmission
15:34 KikaRz In 17 hours, a new transmission starts at GameSpot Live
15:34 KikaRz http://www.gamespot.com/shows/gamespot-live/?event=minecon_2012_day_220121125
15:36 rubenwardy (3:24:38 PM) PilzAdam: rubenwardy, Home -> download: the whole page is moved left a bit
15:36 rubenwardy Again, i was live editing
15:37 babyface1031 hi Octupus
15:38 KikaRz lol
15:38 KikaRz what page?
15:38 KikaRz http://www.gamespot.com/shows/gamespot-live/?event=minecon_2012_day_120121124
15:39 KikaRz im watching that live
15:44 Octupus hi babyface1031a
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15:47 PilzAdam how can i create a inventory cube of an image to use it outside of minetest?
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15:48 VanessaE_[L] boo.
15:48 PilzAdam who are you?
15:48 VanessaE_[L] the same old bitch who has been hanging around here since March :-)
15:48 VanessaE_[L] just on the laptop for a change.
15:49 PilzAdam how can i create a inventory cube of an image to use it outside of minetest?
15:49 BambooVase is this the channel to ask about the source code?
15:49 VanessaE_[L] well what I've been doing is taking screenshots.  cornernote's modding wiki thing uses a hacked version of the game to export the renderings to png
15:50 VanessaE_[L] btw, merge my commits, they now meet your demands :-)
15:50 PilzAdam and Calinou's wiki?
15:50 VanessaE_[L] he uses a blender script.
15:50 VanessaE_[L] not entirely sure how,
15:51 VanessaE_[L] I think totally manually, apply texture X to side Y of the blender file, export to png, that sorta thing.
15:51 VanessaE_[L] BambooVase, sure, ask away,
15:53 KikaRz Yes BambooVase
15:53 KikaRz #minetest-dev or #minetest-mods
15:53 VanessaE_[L] hm, note to self:  install some kind of desktop sync app, and fix the cord to the laptop charger.
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15:53 VanessaE_[L] KikaRz, -dev is strictly for engine core talk, but here is more appropriate for now I think
15:54 KikaRz not me
15:54 VanessaE_[L] PilzAdam, now merge the vessels one :)
15:55 BambooVase Ok, I have this problem where the texture on the inventory is missing. I looked around the code and on the /usr/share/minetest/games/minimal/mods/default/init.lua line 760 I added inventory_image="default_dirt.png" and now the texture appears.
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15:55 VanessaE_[L] BambooVase, this is a bug in the engine. Normally the block should render into the inventory without that line.  The only tip anyone's had so far is that you're out of video memory
15:55 VanessaE_[L] hi rubenwardy.
15:55 BambooVase oh..
15:56 BambooVase VanessaE_[L]: so thats why it works on my other pc.
15:56 VanessaE_[L] yeah, most likely.
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15:57 VanessaE_[L] BambooVase, a workaround is to reduce the number of mods and the size of your textures
15:58 VanessaE_[L] e.g. if you use a 64px texture pack, go back to 16px (default)
15:58 VanessaE_[L] or try one of those really low-rez ones.
15:58 BambooVase VanessaE_[L]: ok thank you very much
15:59 BambooVase i was about to add that line to all the blocks
16:00 jin_xi is wool obtainable in a legit way in default minetest?
16:00 VanessaE_[L] no
16:00 PilzAdam VanessaE_[L], is this ok? https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/2ff55cf6cc737cc798a40429f83c4f7ff16f9e51
16:00 jin_xi aww, shucks
16:00 PilzAdam i removed the changelog
16:01 jin_xi painting mod still unusable on servers due to mostly that
16:01 VanessaE_[L] why did you do that anyway?
16:01 PilzAdam have you ever seen any changelog.txt in any mod in upstream?
16:02 VanessaE_[L] I never look for them :-)
16:02 VanessaE_[L] but it's part of my distribution, so unless you have a good reason to delete it, you shouldn't ;-)
16:02 VanessaE_[L] otherwise, it's okay by me
16:03 PilzAdam git has a commit history; thats the changelog
16:03 PilzAdam no need to store it twice
16:03 VanessaE_[L] yeah but if the commit log doesn't match the contents of the changelog.... :-)
16:03 VanessaE_[L] (which tends to happen when people demand one commit per pull request ;) )
16:03 VanessaE_[L] but okay'
16:04 PilzAdam so Ill push my version of the commit?
16:04 VanessaE_[L] yeah, push it
16:04 jin_xi push it real good
16:04 VanessaE_[L] pssh...ahhh...pssh PUSH IT
16:07 PilzAdam opinions on that please: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/40
16:09 rubenwardy1 PilzAdam: about page in game content fixed
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16:10 VanessaE_[L] PilzAdam, push that one also.
16:11 VanessaE_[L] it'll work for the majority of texture packs anyway
16:12 rubenwardy1 PilzAdam: can you look through http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/ again?
16:14 KikaRz its centrated
16:14 KikaRz in the center*
16:14 KikaRz and good...
16:15 KikaRz subscribed to Minetest-C55 YouTube Channel
16:16 PilzAdam rubenwardy, the "Home" -> "Download" page is still a bit more left than the other sites
16:17 KikaRz its fine here
16:17 KikaRz '-'
16:17 KikaRz yep
16:17 KikaRz it is fine
16:17 KikaRz no, its normal PilzAdam
16:17 KikaRz Mozilla Firefox dont have errors with that
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16:18 PilzAdam maybe add a table of contents or so to this site, because its rather complex
16:19 PilzAdam KikaRz, I have firefox; switch between "About" and "Donwload" and you will see
16:19 KikaRz No
16:19 KikaRz its fine
16:19 KikaRz i've tested
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16:20 KikaRz want prints?
16:20 Matsetes Hi
16:20 rubenwardy i have fire fox too, i works for me
16:20 KikaRz yep
16:20 KikaRz i changed between download and about
16:20 KikaRz its the same position
16:20 Matsetes Is it normal that in moreores copper is extremely rare?
16:20 VanessaE_[L] not normally, no
16:21 VanessaE_[L] unless you're working with an old map
16:21 KikaRz yep
16:21 KikaRz matsetes, create a new map
16:21 KikaRz If you are with a old map
16:21 PilzAdam rubenwardy, ohh, its because the scrollbar appears in my browser ... </stupid mode>
16:21 KikaRz you get old chunks without copper/moreores
16:21 Matsetes No, the map is new
16:21 KikaRz xd
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16:21 KikaRz I knew it.
16:21 KikaRz Calinou
16:21 KikaRz are you Moreores chief?
16:21 Matsetes But in 2000 stone i found 10 copper...
16:22 Calinou KikaRz: chief?
16:22 VanessaE_[L] uh oh, he's here
16:22 Calinou you mean author? yes :p
16:22 KikaRz creator
16:22 VanessaE_[L] everyone run
16:22 KikaRz yep
16:22 KikaRz so
16:22 Calinou no, don't run
16:22 KikaRz Matsetes, talk with Calinou
16:22 Calinou -ruN diff -ruN
16:22 Calinou :D
16:22 Matsetes Thx
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16:27 PilzAdam what is about that? https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/39
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16:28 kaeza hello guys
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16:28 VanessaE_[L] PilzAdam, as long as the facedir in the replacement doors is correct and the textures are the same filename as before, push it.
16:29 VanessaE_[L] (your reworked-from-thexyz signs mod for example didn't get that right)
16:30 PilzAdam the facedir is not correct, you have to replace the doors
16:30 PilzAdam there is no way to keep the old facedir correctly
16:30 VanessaE_[L] sure there is,.
16:30 KikaRz Jordach
16:30 rubenwardy PilzAdam: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/sitemap.php
16:30 KikaRz How i create a skin? (well, how i make one without having back and front?
16:31 Calinou you use two textures: player.png, player_back.png
16:31 PilzAdam rubenwardy, I mean for the download page
16:31 Calinou you need to use an image editor that supports transparency, such as gimp
16:31 VanessaE_[L] PilzAdam, I suggest you try to fix the facedir issue first.
16:32 rubenwardy that makes a lot more sence
16:32 KikaRz yep
16:32 KikaRz I hate gimp
16:33 KikaRz reason: My computer dislikes it (he cant run it
16:34 PilzAdam VanessaE_[L], i tried everything (except completly rewriting the mod) to fix it
16:34 KikaRz Calinou, can you send me one player / player back?
16:34 KikaRz a white one
16:35 VanessaE_[L] PilzAdam, well what I did in Homedecor when I converted the doors over from 2d signlike to 3d nodeboxes, I aliased them
16:36 VanessaE_[L] I use facedir to manage the positions, and aliases to match them with the old node names.
16:36 VanessaE_[L] most of the doors came out right that way
16:36 PilzAdam i use aliases too
16:36 PilzAdam but the facedir is not compatible
16:37 PilzAdam and there is no simple solution for that
16:38 VanessaE_[L] just try :-)
16:38 VanessaE_[L] I mean, it won't bug *me*
16:38 VanessaE_[L] but I bet c55 will throw a fit.
16:38 Calinou http://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/minetest/moreores.zip < new moreores release. copper is now more common
16:39 PilzAdam the doors still work after upgrading; the only thing is that they are sometimes flipped
16:39 PilzAdam its not that hard to replace the doors after upgrading
16:40 rubenwardy PilzAdam: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/download.php ?
16:40 rubenwardy bar at the top with a link to each type: Windows, linux, source
16:40 PilzAdam i only see a huge windows logo
16:40 rubenwardy i have not done linux or source yet
16:41 KikaRz Pilz
16:41 KikaRz a type
16:41 Calinou old windows logo is old
16:41 KikaRz tip*
16:41 KikaRz Calinou
16:41 KikaRz its the official
16:41 KikaRz not old
16:41 Calinou rubenwardy: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Windows_logo_and_wordmark_-_2012.svg/489px-Windows_logo_and_wordmark_-_2012.svg.png
16:41 Calinou KikaRz: it is old
16:42 Calinou rubenwardy: that is the actual windows logo
16:42 KikaRz Use this up:
16:42 KikaRz https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTjjmugRDBws_BZzxFWgdisuyo44N1ZmcvxDdWFwqoMfAIKYmm3
16:42 KikaRz What logo have been windows based? this -.-
16:42 Calinou lol
16:42 rubenwardy i know it is old, but that is the logo of xp/7
16:42 KikaRz not that only
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16:43 KikaRz ups!!!
16:43 rubenwardy /kick KikaRz lol
16:43 KikaRz sorry!
16:43 KikaRz data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAkGBhQSEBUUExMUFRQVFRUUFBUUFRcVFxQUFBQVFRQVFBQXHCYeFxkjGRUUHy8gIycpLCwsFR4xNTAqNSYrLCkBCQoKDgwOFw8PGiokHBwpLCwvLCwsLCosLS0pKjUpLSosKSkpLCktKiksKSosLSwsLCwsNDQsLCwpNCkpLCwsKf/AABEIALcBEwMBIgACEQEDEQH/xAAcAAABBQEBAQAAAAAAAAAAAAADAAECBAUGBwj/xAA/EAACAQMBBQUFBAoCAQUAAAABAgADBBEhBRIxQVEGEyJhgQcUMnGRI4KhsRVCQ1JicpLB0fCy4eJEY3Oi0v/EABsBAAIDAQEBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAgMFBAYH/8QAMREAAgIBAwIDBgUFAQAAA
16:43 Calinou spam
16:43 Calinou very spam
16:43 KikaRz AAAAAECEQMEEiExQQUTUTJhgaGx8BQicZHBBjNC0eEj/9oADAMBAAIRAxEAPwDhmoYkNyaP6PfGQOWfSVXpEcQZ6VM4aBKJMGRxJAyQEgI+IOPmFAEZhjGBBYkosQAbEePuSRWAEFEcpFiTEABMI2IYrIEQAhuxtyFxHCwABiPuw3dx1pwEVzSkTSl9KMl7vFuHRnClHCS6beLuIbgoqBJIU5Z7iOKBkbCio1CQ93mh7uYxowsdGcbWCahNY0oCrbwUgozCkgUl16UG1GSsRUKyJllqEGacYwOJEiG7uLcgADdihMR4gPQqVbxaD0/xGubNSumrEHTGhlOje5PKXKFU504TlaaAwrvZhXGca66cPWBGz2PCda9k1QY0APTgRMe/pbvhBOnDz8pZHJfAUYrU8RgIdqJjGliX2IiiDBzHFOSCyYpxAAJMbEtJb
16:43 KikaRz Z4QibMc/qnHyhaApBIt2W2tcR6ihVLEE7oJwoyTgaADqeETklyOgCpHahLGxbtq1Ni9HusEBQSd46ak5A04fjLPux6aSuORSVoGq4M0UZMUJbehIgSdgA7mLu/KWCkYmFgDUSRYRiPKPuRDEGEYsIxoxdzEIXeCN3sfuo4owGNvxb3WEFKLuIgIDEmaQMcUpNViYytVs5Ve1msokGSG4RkNQgmozWen5QDUpJSCjLajAvSmq9KCehJKQUZZpxTQNtFHYGpRTBzNe3q6YPDjMsKViFY8pW42I6u1vQBjlJNUQnLL685z1C9bHDh5SwdoucZEoeIdhbuhTLE8ug0MzbugvI/ITQdM66+cXuat1k4ugMYUwIRQJfFkOHKEo2QyOHrLN6EQtlGOEutVCrp0/OWLay5EZzKtazy2FBlNpsZk1QecItuCOODjrLTWx
16:43 KikaRz 4HT0gmtGx1hllOlsq77+hbhWNt+Y2lXFevb4GTtlqookUQTUJAGMeEcS2Tpyx6wewKNwtNmrF2YtwZt4KoGgGNBnJ+gmxRpZYDqcSp2wt7nu0p2tOpliWdqWRgDQLkcMk5+6JzLUY5ycoO9vHuLcumy4lFZI1uVr9B1bMurs4EZDZ/tOY2VZVbWhVuLvfyCFRHbJOSNRkkDJI/pMnZdvQ7LTS2Ys7BVJqgcTjXCS78TGlfDOfY+xvvb4OkgbfM1qVEb4zqJfu6FL9UYPlwljyUROYayiS2mjcqBwMqVKkmpNiANSkCIbEGymSAgI+7JCkT0EXcQGMBFvQq0Bzi7k+kQEA8WZMUoUUDIgV8ySqJM0sQbGADMsC1OFLZjQGVzSkGpy0Ii0dgU92KWi0ULAupZQ9OxHSaVDZ7HXE0KOzM8QJVLIJIxxs7oZNNmk
16:43 PilzAdam OldCoder, kick KikaRz
16:43 VanessaE_[L] wtf??
16:43 KikaRz zoKWxx1lgbMHWVPKS2mHT2XDJswrqBN9LUDlDBB5St5GS2mCmz88RJfoMcpud0JILjnI+Yx7TBXZjLyMk1DqJtOYNiIb2wo56+tCV8CgNyJ5SFvZsE8WCeZ5RqHbOhUvWtKaVGqIWDuAvdruDxZO9nQ+HhxlvbNp3wVQwVQcnTOTwH0GfrOfJKSvJBNtKqvj7952YNs0sORqMW7cqt9P3r3FG3tUzlQNOJBzjrrK/6ZBIVUJJOBrx105TVo91SpCmxGMEEk7u9n4vzle
16:43 Gwaur it's not spam, it's just a base64-image!
16:43 KikaRz fuck
16:43 KikaRz was kicked by Calinou: KikaRz
16:43 KikaRz joined #minetest
16:43 Calinou thank you ChanServ
16:44 KikaRz SRRYYY
16:44 Gwaur copy that to your browser's address bar and voila
16:44 KikaRz my irc bugged out
16:44 KikaRz You kidding me?
16:44 KikaRz http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/313/6/9/sky_windows_98_flag_wall_2_by_slowdog294-d32j2om.jpg
16:44 Calinou np KikaRz, just don't paste long links
16:44 KikaRz that is the base of windows logo
16:44 KikaRz Calinou, not my fault
16:44 KikaRz that's why i hate linux
16:44 Calinou well yeah, shorten the link using something like tinyurl.com
16:44 KikaRz when will come m13? :/
16:44 OldCoder Hi
16:45 KikaRz Hi OldCoder
16:45 OldCoder Was in a conversation elsewhere
16:45 OldCoder KikaRz, Hi. Probably best to paste images elsewhere.
16:45 KikaRz Calinou, thank you for kicking me
16:45 OldCoder That is certainly polite
16:45 KikaRz because you unbugged me.
16:45 Calinou np :P
16:45 Calinou yey, I can remove bugs on people
16:45 KikaRz lol
16:46 Calinou next one is: paste of "xwd" output in IRC
16:46 Calinou :>
16:46 OldCoder Calinou, debug is a good skill
16:46 Calinou erm, it's not xwd
16:46 OldCoder Hmm
16:46 Calinou it's the command that does raw X screenshots
16:46 OldCoder Good Lord
16:46 Calinou forgot its name :P
16:46 * OldCoder has scrolled up
16:46 * OldCoder laughs
16:46 Calinou ah no, it is xwd
16:46 Calinou "       xwd - dump an image of an X window"
16:46 KikaRz http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;cad=rja&amp;ved=0CC8QFjAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FXwd&amp;ei=5_mwUNXrLNOZhQei0oCoBQ&amp;usg=AFQjCNFA4skHunRsDD55wxsrGPDxqtYNMg&amp;sig2=89qqoQCyCdn-JSYi7nEFyQ
16:46 OldCoder Complete images in chat probably are not advisable
16:46 KikaRz Grrrr
16:46 KikaRz hate google
16:46 KikaRz en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xwd
16:46 KikaRz better.
16:46 Calinou google makes long links too, but they still fit on one line
16:46 OldCoder You can use TinyURL
16:47 babyface1031 hi OldCoder
16:47 rsiska or goo.gl
16:47 PilzAdam KikaRz, i preger "man xwd"
16:47 KikaRz OldCoder, thats too much to do.
16:47 PilzAdam *prefer
16:47 Calinou you could try http://is.gd/ too
16:47 Calinou seems better and ad-free
16:47 OldCoder babyface1031, Hey
16:47 KikaRz ...
16:47 KikaRz omg
16:47 VanessaE_[L] PilzAdam, so, go ahead and push the doors mod, but make a note that the doors will need to be re-placed.
16:47 KikaRz stop giving me short links
16:47 OldCoder babyface1031, I can't update worlds today but plan to do so soon
16:48 babyface1031 thats fine i am in no hurry i am getting what i need to be able to do it anyways
16:48 PilzAdam VanessaE_[L], where should i put a note?
16:48 rsiska question: How can I import schematic to my world, please?
16:49 VanessaE_[L] PilzAdam, put it in the commit message.
16:50 VanessaE_[L] maybe also in a readme in the doors mod directory or something.
16:50 PilzAdam rubenwardy, "Open Source" ???????
16:51 VanessaE_[L] rsiska, usually you use the Worldedit mod
16:51 rubenwardy http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/download.php
16:52 VanessaE_[L] rsiska, download the schematic, place it wherever worldedit says the file needs to go, then use //pos1 to mark where it will go, and //load filename.we to load it in.
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16:52 rubenwardy what would be a better icon, PilzAdam
16:52 rsiska VanessaE, Ah, alright. I though you have to import it right into sqlite or something :) Thanks!
16:53 PilzAdam rubenwardy, the Minetest icon
16:53 rubenwardy and then "source"
16:53 PilzAdam yep
16:54 rubenwardy better?
16:54 PilzAdam yep
16:56 PilzAdam also can you make "Windows" "Linux" and "Source code" headlines as big as "Other information"?
16:59 PilzAdam VanessaE_[L], you said the Trash field seems to be missplaced? http://www.zimg.eu/i/3792457666
16:59 rubenwardy (4:56:09 PM) PilzAdam: also can you make "Windows" "Linux" and "Source code" headlines as big as "Other information"?
16:59 rubenwardy done
16:59 PilzAdam better
17:00 VanessaE_[L] PilzAdam, yeah, it seems a little out of place, like it should be moved up maybe
17:01 PilzAdam currently its close enough to remove items fast
17:01 PilzAdam if it would be moved up it takes longer to delete items
17:01 VanessaE_[L] true
17:01 KikaRz Who is master chief of WorldEdit?
17:02 VanessaE_[L] sfan5
17:02 PilzAdam rubenwardy, add OS X icon
17:02 KikaRz sfan5
17:02 KikaRz ohy
17:02 KikaRz its off
17:02 Calinou SO PRO, I'm using symlinks for my mod repo :)
17:03 VanessaE_[L] PilzAdam, does that make sense?  there's no current mac build yet?
17:03 Calinou so that my git and stable minetest versions both use the same mod folder
17:03 PilzAdam there is an old version
17:03 Calinou VanessaE_[L]: someone made a tutorial to build latest MT on os x
17:03 Calinou no sound though, iirc
17:03 Calinou and not packaged
17:04 VanessaE_[L] interesting.
17:04 PilzAdam rubenwardy, maybe you can link this tutorial?
17:05 VanessaE_[L] PilzAdam, by the way, shouldn't the nyancat and its rainbow render as a cube these days?  maybe this needs fixed now.
17:05 KikaRz calinou
17:05 KikaRz OpenAL needed.
17:05 Calinou KikaRz: yes
17:05 Calinou openal is optional
17:05 VanessaE_[L] (in the inventory display I mean)
17:06 PilzAdam VanessaE, didnt noticed that
17:06 * PilzAdam fixes that
17:06 VanessaE_[L] I think there are a few others .
17:06 * VanessaE_[L] looks
17:07 VanessaE_[L] ...as soon as the game loads anyway
17:07 VanessaE_[L] (laptop + 64px HDX = slow startup)
17:07 Calinou specs of the laptop?
17:07 VanessaE_[L] Dell Inspiron 9200.
17:08 Calinou ah
17:08 Calinou ah, it's quite old :P
17:08 KikaRz downloading Simpsons S21 E23
17:08 VanessaE_[L] PilzAdam, papyrus needs a good inventory image, rendering a flat one looks weird compared to the various cubes.  Can this be fixed?
17:08 rubenwardy almost, pilzadam: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/forum/
17:09 VanessaE_[L] PilzAdam, the rest look okay.
17:09 KikaRz a bit glitchy, no?
17:09 KikaRz rubenwardy
17:10 KikaRz you're logged in
17:10 KikaRz look on the top
17:10 KikaRz Bug detected
17:10 PilzAdam rubenwardy, http://www.zimg.eu/i/3522692509
17:10 PilzAdam thats what i got
17:11 KikaRz me too
17:11 KikaRz a lot of glitches
17:11 KikaRz More bugged.
17:12 PilzAdam VanessaE, you need to create a new papyrus inventory image to fix it
17:12 VanessaE_[L] PilzAdam, ok.  leave it for now, I'll make a better texture later.
17:12 PilzAdam k
17:12 rubenwardy yeah, i am trying to make it look like the main site
17:12 KikaRz forum is now more bugged
17:13 KikaRz sry
17:13 KikaRz going to see simpsons
17:14 PilzAdam VanessaE_[L], https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/commit/e9ad8d06c8ec68ee0090cad601fe8c754bf63503
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17:18 rubenwardy bye
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17:23 VanessaE_[L] PilzAdam, looks good.
17:23 VanessaE_[L] PilzAdam, make glass blocks drop a proper 3d cube instead of a sprite
17:25 Calinou VanessaE_[L]: inventory render will be black if you do that
17:26 PilzAdam shes talking about droped entities
17:26 VanessaE_[L] for regular glass?
17:30 VanessaE_[L] so if the render turns black, perhaps the engine needs fixed to not do that ;)
17:31 Calinou yes, PilzAdam
17:31 Calinou then the inventory render will be black :P
17:31 Calinou engine bug
17:34 KikaRz back
17:37 PilzAdam VanessaE_[L], https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/tree/item_entity
17:39 VanessaE_[L] you sure that'll work in practice?
17:39 KikaRz https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/tree/item_entity/util/buildbot , whats that bot for?
17:39 KikaRz to build minetest?
17:39 VanessaE_[L] (not familiar with this kind of code)
17:40 PilzAdam test it
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17:42 PilzAdam VanessaE_[L], it draws all nodes with the "wielditem" drawtype; ive tested it with ladders, glass, rails, junglegrass, signs...
17:42 PilzAdam and it just looks good
17:43 KikaRz how i make a new background for minetest?
17:43 KikaRz i cant make it
17:43 KikaRz if i make it
17:43 KikaRz it crashes game
17:44 PilzAdam what background?
17:44 PilzAdam main menu?
17:44 KikaRz yep
17:44 PilzAdam just replace the menubg.png image
17:45 KikaRz yep
17:45 KikaRz i did that
17:45 KikaRz but it crashes game
17:45 PilzAdam are you sure you replaced it with a png?
17:45 KikaRz we cant make a bigger background?
17:45 KikaRz Like 1280x1024'
17:45 KikaRz ?
17:45 PilzAdam lemme test....
17:46 KikaRz i guess we can
17:46 KikaRz its a small block for every place of background... so...
17:46 KikaRz if we make a bigger background
17:46 KikaRz it'll repeat the image
17:46 KikaRz too
17:46 VanessaE_[L] PilzAdam, well if it looks good and doesn't break anything, do it. :-)
17:47 KikaRz how i change the menus?
17:47 KikaRz i wanted to make a newer menus...
17:47 KikaRz a goody ones
17:48 KikaRz changing background to http://www.hdwallpapers.in/thumbs/dream_village-t1.jpg
17:49 KikaRz not that smaller
17:49 KikaRz but yes, a biggy.
17:49 KikaRz http://www.hdwallpapers.in/walls/dream_village-wide.jpg
17:49 KikaRz this one
17:49 KikaRz but changing to png
17:53 KikaRz Testing non worked
17:53 PilzAdam the image gets downscaled when its too big
17:54 KikaRz :/
17:54 KikaRz but it repeated many times
17:55 KikaRz Ok, nyan cat rainbow its better :)
17:55 KikaRz xd
17:56 jordach VanessaE_[L]: kewl
17:56 jordach like the [l] for laptop
17:56 VanessaE_[L] yup
17:57 jordach finally kick back on the sofa then
17:57 KikaRz guys
17:57 jordach what,
17:57 KikaRz the domain is servegame.com ?
17:57 jordach KikaRz:
17:57 KikaRz or what?
17:57 KikaRz that subnet domain or smthing
17:57 KikaRz like no-ip
17:57 jordach thats part of no-ip
17:57 jordach one of their domains
17:58 KikaRz yep
17:58 KikaRz i know
17:58 KikaRz but its servegame.com ?
17:59 BambooVase is it possible to have 2 diff minetest version installed?
17:59 KikaRz Yes
17:59 KikaRz at least 163 versions of Minetest...
17:59 KikaRz well
17:59 KikaRz i guess are minus
17:59 KikaRz the existant versions
17:59 PilzAdam BambooVase, if you use run in place versions, sure
18:00 jordach any sort of installer like .deb, .rpm et al wont allow this#
18:01 jordach also, VanessaE_[L] - i cant stop using et al is a placeholder for other things
18:01 BambooVase how about when compiling from source?
18:01 jordach as long it is run in place
18:02 VanessaE_[L] heh
18:02 VanessaE_[L] run in place [=1]?  (people actually USE that mode? :-)  )
18:02 BambooVase wha-DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 this?
18:02 * ruskie doesn't
18:03 jordach BambooVase: yes, that setting
18:03 jordach [18:02] <VanessaE_[L]> run in place [=1]?  (people actually USE that mode? :-)  )  'scuse me mrs, i do
18:03 BambooVase jordach: that will produce a deb file right? and when I install the deb it wont overwrite?
18:05 jordach BambooVase: it will just run from the compiled folder
18:05 jordach NOT installing it
18:06 jordach ugh, i wonder why i use windows now
18:06 BambooVase heh
18:07 ruskie you can easily run multiple installs side-by-side
18:07 ruskie just set paths to be something while configuring
18:07 PilzAdam I use: alias minemake='cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 && make -j16' and compile thousands of Minetest versions every day
18:08 jordach ruskie: again that can go catastrophically wrong
18:08 BambooVase what is -j16? I use j2
18:08 PilzAdam number of threads used; number of cores of your CPU*2
18:09 PilzAdam its a lot faster
18:09 VanessaE_[L] jordach, I was joking :)
18:09 BambooVase I only have 1 core :(
18:09 ruskie jordach, not really
18:10 ruskie jordach, and there are actually package managers that support side-by-side different versions
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18:18 KikaRz Hi Doc22 :D
18:19 KikaRz People
18:19 KikaRz who wants to know
18:19 Doc22 hey Kika
18:19 KikaRz how to leave a node for background?
18:19 OldCoder World 30004 will go down soon to add Dogzilla131 mod
18:19 KikaRz OK :D
18:19 KikaRz cool
18:20 VanessaE_[L] ruskie, kine gentoo portage ("slotting" they call it)
18:21 OldCoder Octuteam restarted go and try More Flags mod
18:21 OldCoder Dogzilla131, ^
18:21 babyface1031 flags thats dogzilla mod
18:21 VanessaE_[L] s/kine/like./
18:21 Doc22 oh nice
18:21 Doc22 i bet itll be cool
18:21 babyface1031 were you able to add the other one too
18:22 ruskie VanessaE_[L], no clue... I just know some do it but most of them are third-party not distro native
18:22 Doc22 wait i have one request oldcoder
18:22 OldCoder Doc22, yes?
18:22 OldCoder babyface1031, No because I must check it and add formally
18:22 Doc22 http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=secret%20passages%20minetest&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;cad=rja&amp;ved=0CDMQFjAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fminetest.net%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fid%3D667&amp;ei=dRCxUIzwNaeO2AXV_YG4AQ&amp;usg=AFQjCNHxR58pUg-a14v4mAHXZ2wacEIfMA
18:22 OldCoder Flags mod is very simple
18:23 OldCoder Doc22, ?
18:23 babyface1031 ohok
18:23 Doc22 that will be useful
18:23 * VanessaE_[L] pokes PilzAdam
18:23 Doc22 for stuff
18:23 Doc22 lol
18:23 OldCoder Doc22, what is that?
18:23 Doc22 it adds nonsolid blocks
18:23 Doc22 for passages and such
18:23 OldCoder Doc22, I C
18:23 Doc22 I have had many times when I wanted to
18:23 Doc22 have that
18:23 OldCoder Doc22, is there consensus on whether this one is safe?
18:23 Doc22 no but I will test it
18:23 Doc22 on my pc
18:24 OldCoder babyface1031, you too; could you ask today to see if the other one is safe?
18:24 OldCoder See if people wish these two mods
18:24 Muadtralk I liked secret passages
18:24 Muadtralk I dont believe it still works though
18:24 Muadtralk may be outdated
18:24 Doc22 downloading
18:24 Doc22 testing
18:24 PilzAdam VanessaE_[L], what?
18:25 KikaRz Hi muad
18:25 OldCoder babyface1031, link the other one here for people to comment on
18:25 Doc22 yes it works well
18:25 Doc22 and no crashes etc
18:25 Doc22 i tested recipe
18:26 babyface1031 http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2383
18:26 Doc22 so OldCoder are you going to add it
18:26 Doc22 that would be useful
18:26 babyface1031 i have worked with this mod before and no crashs
18:26 Doc22 o
18:26 Doc22 ok
18:26 Doc22 so 2 people that agree
18:26 Doc22 that it is safe
18:26 Doc22 oh wait
18:26 Doc22 thats for the other one that u linked
18:27 Doc22 lol
18:27 OldCoder Doc22, Muadtralk says it doesn't work
18:27 Doc22 so one person
18:27 babyface1031 i meant fo rthe one i posted i havent used the one you posted befroe
18:27 Doc22 well he says he doesnt think it will
18:27 Doc22 i tested it
18:27 Doc22 on 0.4.3
18:27 Muadtralk it used to not work
18:27 Doc22 and it works fine
18:27 Doc22 i tested recipe
18:27 Muadtralk obviously its been updated since i used
18:27 Doc22 and the blocks are nonsolid
18:27 Muadtralk it
18:27 Doc22 ok
18:27 Doc22 well anyway will you add it oc
18:27 Doc22 i tested it
18:27 KikaRz where is m13...
18:27 OldCoder Doc22, can you get somebody else to agree?
18:27 KikaRz :/
18:27 Doc22 babyface do you agree
18:28 OldCoder KikaRz, he wanders in and out
18:28 Doc22 for adding nonsolid blocks mod
18:28 KikaRz i didnt seen him today
18:28 OldCoder KikaRz, sometimes it is days
18:28 Doc22 babyface1031
18:28 Doc22 do you agree with adding nonsolid blocks mod
18:28 Doc22 i tested it
18:28 Doc22 it works
18:28 babyface1031 i will have to test it hold on
18:28 Doc22 ok
18:28 Doc22 http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=secret%20passages%20minetest&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;cad=rja&amp;ved=0CDMQFjAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fminetest.net%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fid%3D667&amp;ei=dRCxUIzwNaeO2AXV_YG4AQ&amp;usg=AFQjCNHxR58pUg-a14v4mAHXZ2wacEIfMA
18:28 KikaRz away:eating
18:29 Doc22 lol
18:29 OldCoder Doc22, I'd kind of like to hear mod authors comment on these two
18:29 OldCoder It is easy to install them
18:29 Doc22 okay
18:29 OldCoder But if they break things that is a problem
18:29 Doc22 yeah
18:29 Doc22 I tested it and it messed nothing u
18:29 Doc22 up
18:29 Doc22 the recipes are
18:29 OldCoder Could you get somebody senior to comment on these two?
18:29 Doc22 component
18:30 Doc22 and block
18:30 Doc22 ok
18:30 OldCoder The simple fact you installed and it didn't explode instantly doesn't really prove much
18:30 Doc22 ill get someone who has tryed it?
18:30 Doc22 hmmmmm
18:30 OldCoder How about
18:30 OldCoder somebody who is quite familiar with mods
18:30 OldCoder And I could use
18:30 OldCoder Comments on both of them
18:30 Doc22 k
18:30 Doc22 pilzadam!!
18:30 Doc22 drumroll
18:31 PilzAdam what?
18:31 Doc22 can you comment
18:31 Doc22 http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=secret%20passages%20minetest&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;cad=rja&amp;ved=0CDMQFjAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fminetest.net%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fid%3D667&amp;ei=dRCxUIzwNaeO2AXV_YG4AQ&amp;usg=AFQjCNHxR58pUg-a14v4mAHXZ2wacEIfMA
18:31 Doc22 and another mod
18:31 Doc22 if you have used them
18:31 OldCoder Doc22, Please start using a shorter link
18:31 * PilzAdam doesnt click google links
18:31 Doc22 http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2383
18:31 Doc22 ok
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18:31 Doc22 sorry
18:31 Octupus Hi
18:31 Doc22 http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=667
18:31 Doc22 hi
18:31 Doc22 thats the first one
18:32 Doc22 octu u said i would be mod right
18:32 babyface1031 VanessaE_[L] can you comment on the unified bricks that your dyes use if it is safe
18:32 Octupus Yes Doc22
18:32 Doc22 ok
18:32 Doc22 im on whenever you want to
18:33 Doc22 so pilzadam can you confirm that secret passages http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=667 is safe
18:33 Octupus I haven't had the time to talk to babyface1031 and come to the server
18:33 Doc22 ok
18:33 Doc22 well she is on
18:33 babyface1031 hi Octupus
18:33 Octupus Hi babyface1031
18:33 Octupus Doc22: I am on iPod
18:34 Doc22 oldcoder is considering adding that mod to the server
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18:34 Doc22 ok octu
18:35 VanessaE_[L] babyface1031, safe in what way>
18:35 Doc22 that it doenst break things
18:35 Doc22 and cause problems
18:35 babyface1031 that it dont crash the server i think is what OldCoder wants to know before he adds it
18:35 VanessaE_[L] I mean, it works I guess :-)
18:35 VanessaE_[L] I've never used it beyond some basic testing, but I never heard of any problems with it
18:35 VanessaE_[L] oh
18:35 Doc22 what about secret passages http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=667
18:36 Doc22 is this mod safe
18:36 VanessaE_[L] I don't see any reason why it would, aside from it being a pretty big mod
18:36 VanessaE_[L] but it just adds a bunch of nodes is all.
18:36 ruskie would be nice having that mod on europe as well
18:36 Doc22 yeah
18:36 Doc22 colored bricks = nice addon
18:36 OldCoder ruskie, Do you like these mods?
18:36 Doc22 and more dyes use
18:37 VanessaE_[L] get my colored woods mod also.
18:37 VanessaE_[L] it's safe.
18:37 OldCoder VanessaE, Don't I have it?
18:37 OldCoder Hold on
18:37 VanessaE_[L] I don't know :-)
18:37 Doc22 we have wood mod
18:37 Doc22 colored*
18:37 VanessaE_[L] ok
18:37 OldCoder VanessaE, It's there
18:37 Doc22 just not bricks
18:37 ruskie OldCoder, the Secret Passages one? yeah I wanted something like that for a while
18:37 OldCoder ruskie, But is it safe?
18:37 Doc22 vanessae is this safe
18:37 Doc22 http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=667
18:37 ruskie as I don't run a server I can't say
18:38 Doc22 I tested it for a minute but thats not good enough
18:38 * OldCoder shrugs
18:38 Doc22 all it does is add a recipe
18:38 OldCoder O.K.
18:38 Doc22 and a few nodes
18:38 OldCoder We will add three mods today to the U.S. worlds
18:38 Doc22 yay
18:38 Doc22 i like secret passages
18:38 OldCoder More Flags, Secret Passages, and the other one babyface1031 wanted
18:38 Doc22 colored bricks
18:38 OldCoder I intend to finish some work first
18:38 babyface1031 cool thanks
18:38 Doc22 ok
18:38 Doc22 thank you oc
18:38 OldCoder So this afternoon
18:38 OldCoder Sure np
18:38 babyface1031 thats fine i am in no rush
18:39 VanessaE_[L] Doc22, I don't know.  maybe?  try it and see how it behaves?
18:39 OldCoder Understand... *all* the worlds went down last week
18:39 Doc22 me niether
18:39 OldCoder In no rush to repeat that :Dd
18:39 OldCoder :D *
18:39 Doc22 oh so try again with passages
18:39 Octupus We don't care about rules
18:39 Doc22 and test it for long period
18:39 Octupus I don't know about chu but this what I do
18:39 Doc22 i will test saving, loading, destruction, construction, and stability
18:40 OldCoder Fine
18:40 OldCoder Coming Soon to a Theater Near You
18:40 Doc22 lol
18:40 OldCoder But let me finish a web page about Gearman first please
18:40 Octupus XD
18:40 Doc22 ok
18:40 OldCoder That is some software I am supposed to be learning
18:40 Doc22 I am learning german
18:40 OldCoder And I have Gearman
18:40 Doc22 my family comes from germany
18:41 Doc22 and ireland
18:41 Octupus My uncharted is being y :/
18:41 Doc22 and hungary
18:41 Doc22 lol
18:42 Doc22 the mod saves and loads properly
18:43 Doc22 the blocks destroy and build properly
18:43 Doc22 crafting recipes are working
18:43 Octupus I just meet u and this is crazy
18:43 Doc22 and stability is good
18:43 Octupus But here's my number
18:43 Doc22 lol ikr
18:43 Doc22 lol
18:43 Octupus So call me mayb
18:44 Doc22 I HATE THAT SONG
18:44 Doc22 its boring because it loops
18:44 Octupus XD
18:44 Doc22 XDXDXD
18:44 OldCoder Rikki, don't lose that number
18:44 OldCoder You don't wanna call nobody else
18:44 OldCoder Send it off in a letter to yourself
18:44 OldCoder Rikki, don't lose that number
18:44 OldCoder It's the only one you own
18:45 Octupus :D
18:45 Doc22 lol
18:45 Octupus Who's rikki though
18:45 OldCoder His girlfriend I assume
18:45 Doc22 lol
18:45 Octupus O Lolz
18:46 ruskie Doc22, only way to really test stability is to actually use it for a prolonged period
18:49 ruskie and have people actually use it
18:49 Doc22 i tested it
18:49 Doc22 saving
18:49 Doc22 and loading
18:50 Doc22 but you are right
18:50 ruskie might try to figure out any other servers already running it and asking those owners how it behaves for them
18:50 ruskie it's not like it's a brand new mod... by the dates it has been around for a bite
18:52 OldCoder A byte running for a bite
18:52 OldCoder Running all date and all nite
18:52 OldCoder It is quite a sight
18:52 OldCoder On my site
18:52 OldCoder Running all date and all nite
18:52 OldCoder
18:52 ruskie OldCoder++
18:54 neko259 Dudes, does anyone have an error: WARNING: ClientActiveObject: No factory for type=3
18:55 Doc22 thats from oldcoder.org
18:55 neko259 When connecting to server, it stops on loading items and nodes and does nothing.
18:55 Doc22 the poems page
18:55 OldCoder Doc22, No
18:55 OldCoder Doc22, that was extemporaneous
18:55 OldCoder neko259, Hi. Which server?
18:56 neko259 Emm, mine one. I'm setting it now, it has the version from ubuntu ppa.
18:56 KikaRz back
18:56 neko259 Other people connect fine, the problem seems to be only for me.
18:56 OldCoder Can anybody else connect to 30007?
18:58 neko259 I forgot to tell. The server sees me connected and shows my login in the logs.
18:58 VanessaE_[L] bbl
18:58 KikaRz M13 servers are going to be public soon!
18:59 KikaRz So, we've created a new Irc!
18:59 KikaRz Join now: #m13... soon, the servers will begin
18:59 KikaRz * #m13
19:03 OldCoder KikaRz, he is not around
19:03 KikaRz ... OldCOder
19:03 KikaRz i didnt telled about M13
19:03 OldCoder neko259, can you state the port number?
19:03 KikaRz i know that he's not around
19:03 OldCoder KikaRz, o.k. go on
19:03 KikaRz but im owner of Creative server
19:03 neko259 OldCoder: 30000
19:04 Doc22 what
19:04 Doc22 oh ok
19:04 OldCoder neko259, O.K. So you can't connect to 30000?
19:04 OldCoder KikaRz, O.K.
19:05 KikaRz im waiting for:
19:05 neko259 OldCoder: I can connect. But when it goes to downloading the data from server, it just freezes on 0%.
19:05 KikaRz telek, M13, Kacey
19:05 KikaRz etc.
19:05 KikaRz neko259
19:05 KikaRz patience.
19:05 KikaRz wait at least 5 minutes
19:05 neko259 Ok.
19:08 Doc22 ok i have quit and joined my game a few times
19:08 Doc22 it is definitely stable
19:08 Doc22 no coflict
19:10 OldCoder neko259, Are you using Windows?
19:10 neko259 OldCoder: No. The server is on debian, client on ubuntu.
19:10 neko259 The guy that can connect to the server uses fedora.
19:11 Doc22 oldcoder when will it be added (i am sure it is stable)
19:11 neko259 *client on gentoo
19:11 OldCoder neko259, I can give you a preloaded cache. But if you wait 15 minutes the first time it should only be slow once
19:11 babyface1031 he said later Doc22
19:11 Doc22 oh so its a yes for the nonsolid blocsk
19:11 Doc22 blocks
19:11 Doc22 ?
19:12 neko259 OldCoder: I'm waiting for 15 minutes already and it's still 0%. My internet in 100Mbps, it's not the speed problem
19:12 babyface1031 <@OldCoder> More Flags, Secret Passages, and the other one babyface1031 wanted
19:12 OldCoder neko259, Believe me...
19:12 OldCoder neko259, we know and plan to fix the issue. But if it's still at 0% there is a problem!
19:12 babyface1031 Doc22^
19:12 OldCoder neko259, Let me give you a preloaded cache
19:12 neko259 Ok.
19:12 neko259 What's the issue?
19:12 Doc22 oh ok
19:13 Doc22 lol
19:13 neko259 If I want to open a public server, I need to know what to tell my players :)
19:13 OldCoder neko259, Buggy network code. C55 has a proposed fix but I haven't had time to test it.
19:13 Octupus neko259: Ambience is the proble
19:13 Doc22 (why am i confused)
19:13 OldCoder Octupus, neko259 The network code is bad in general
19:13 OldCoder But there are proposed solutions
19:13 babyface1031 idk Doc
19:13 Octupus O
19:13 neko259 Ok, I understand.
19:13 * Doc22 slaps self
19:13 Doc22 Snap out of it old boy..
19:13 OldCoder O.K. Now...
19:13 neko259 Than give me the cache. I assume it's the universal solutions for other players?
19:13 Doc22 BY JOVE! ITS THE MENTAL DEPARTMENT
19:13 OldCoder If I give neko259 a cache from a 32 bit system will it work on 64 bits?
19:14 OldCoder neko259, do you have 32 bit or 64?
19:14 neko259 64.
19:14 OldCoder Does anybody know if 32 bit cache will be compatible?
19:14 OldCoder Hmm
19:14 neko259 Just give it to me, and I'll check.
19:14 OldCoder neko259, try this... one moment...
19:15 neko259 I don't think the cache has something compiled against the CPU.
19:15 OldCoder http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-121020.zip
19:15 OldCoder Download that ZIP
19:15 OldCoder Unpack
19:15 OldCoder Locate cache directory and move into your $HOME/.minetest directory
19:15 OldCoder Delete the old cache directory first
19:15 OldCoder See if it works or does not
19:15 OldCoder
19:16 OldCoder Doc22, I will need to work for about two hours
19:16 OldCoder Then I must break
19:16 OldCoder MT work will follow that
19:16 Octupus Bye OldCoder
19:16 * jordach has had chinese
19:16 OldCoder Not leaving yet
19:16 OldCoder I will be here for two hours
19:16 Doc22 ok
19:16 OldCoder Simply focused on work elsewhere
19:16 OldCoder Distributed processing stuff
19:17 neko259 BTW, in debug.txt I see: INFO[main]: Client: Ignoring unknown command 4
19:17 OldCoder Hmm
19:17 OldCoder neko259, try the cache
19:17 neko259 Oh, thanks. I haven't noticed you posted it.
19:17 OldCoder k
19:19 Octupus O great then :)
19:20 neko259 Still on 0%.
19:20 * KikaRz is stupid. Say that I'm cute.
19:20 neko259 ~/.minetest/cache exists and has your cache.
19:20 OldCoder neko259, I am sorry to hear this What country are you in?
19:20 neko259 Ukraine.
19:20 OldCoder Try the Europe server
19:20 OldCoder europe.minetest.org 30000
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19:21 OldCoder neko259, Additionally: Do you have broadband?
19:21 neko259 OldCoder: Europe server: works.
19:23 neko259 And yes, I have a broadband.
19:23 OldCoder neko259, network latency then
19:23 OldCoder neko259, I may start one in Germany soon
19:23 neko259 oops, Europe server doesn't work. It downloaded the cache and then just closed the window. When I tried again, I'm still having 0%.
19:24 OldCoder Sorry to hear it. No chance of an odd firewall problem etc. I assume.
19:24 OldCoder neko259, try minetest.org port 30004
19:24 PilzAdam VanessaE_[L], i will leave in a few minutes
19:26 PilzAdam bye
19:26 neko259 It's downloading something (very slow, but does).
19:26 neko259 Downloaded and see a black window.
19:26 neko259 GL_OUT_OF_MEMORY
19:26 neko259 minetest: COpenGLDriver.cpp:2493: bool irr::video::COpenGLDriver::testGLError(): ??????????? ??????????? <<!(true)>> ?? ?????????.
19:26 neko259 Just closed.
19:27 * ruskie connects to europe
19:27 babyface1031 we saw you neko it said you timed out
19:27 KikaRz thats why i hate OpenGL
19:27 ruskie works on europe
19:27 KikaRz babyface1031...
19:27 babyface1031 yes
19:27 KikaRz his game crashed
19:27 babyface1031 oh
19:29 neko259 Can the problem be in irrlicht version? I have 1.8
19:29 OldCoder Hmm
19:29 OldCoder Client and server side shouldn't need to match for that, should they? But it is conceivable
19:30 OldCoder neko259, any chance of downgrading?
19:31 neko259 Yes, I can do that.
19:32 neko259 I'll downgrade it now (may take some minutes, cause gentoo will build it from source).
19:32 OldCoder Sure
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19:46 neko259 Rebuilt irrlicht.
19:46 neko259 And minetest still crashes.
19:47 OldCoder We regret this
19:47 OldCoder The next step
19:47 OldCoder Would be for me to build you a new client
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19:47 OldCoder Which distro exactly did you indicate you were using?
19:47 OldCoder anunakki, Hi
19:47 neko259 Gentoo.
19:47 neko259 Ebuild from hasufell, I think. But he isn't here now.
19:48 OldCoder neko259, I have a Gentoo box and will put a new Gentoo client on the list
19:48 marktraceur Hrm. Is there some bug in the minetestmapper.py script that causes it to not handle some parts of a map?
19:48 KikaRz its already fixed.
19:48 OldCoder neko259, can you link me to the exact ISO you used? To install Gentoo?
19:48 marktraceur KikaRz: Recently?
19:48 KikaRz yep
19:48 KikaRz at 4 days ago
19:48 KikaRz or 3
19:49 marktraceur KikaRz: But not yet in a stable release, right?
19:49 neko259 OldCoder: Emm, do you want to install gentoo now?
19:49 neko259 It will take hours.
19:49 OldCoder neko259, I will put it on the list for December
19:49 OldCoder I often do this
19:49 sokomine neko: gl_out_of_memory is a common problem. i have that at almost every start. and crashes happen as well. just try to connect agiain
19:49 OldCoder I have Gentoo but may not match your version
19:49 neko259 Version of what?
19:50 neko259 Gentoo is rolling-release, there are no versions.
19:50 OldCoder neko259, I see
19:50 marktraceur Oh, KikaRz, that hasn't been merged yet
19:51 OldCoder neko259, Then I'd need to prepare what... an overlay? for you?
19:51 OldCoder Binaries would work or not?
19:51 neko259 Can you check if minetest builds for you?
19:51 KikaRz idk
19:51 OldCoder neko259, Who are you speaking to?
19:51 KikaRz but its fixed
19:51 KikaRz already
19:51 neko259 OldCoder: To you :)
19:51 marktraceur KikaRz: Yes, I see the patch
19:53 OldCoder neko259, Do you mean, builds under Gentoo? Yes but not today
19:53 neko259 Ok.
19:53 neko259 Then I'll just try to build a run-in-place client.
19:56 Octupus Init.lua ?
19:56 init wut
19:56 init oh :P
19:57 marktraceur KikaRz: It looks like this patch doesn't actually fix the issue, but I'll let you know when I've found out for sure
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20:03 paxcoder any bots up in here?
20:04 paxcoder (any that support later tell)?
20:08 neko259 OldCoder: Wow, version from my overlay works fine with minetest.org. Maybe hasufell made something wrong in his one?
20:08 OldCoder Could be
20:08 OldCoder Where did yours come from?
20:09 neko259 I modified somebody's ebuild for 0.3.1 version.
20:09 neko259 Long long time ago.
20:10 OldCoder And it has built 0.4.3 now?
20:10 OldCoder neko259, would you be willing to paste the ebuild or mail it?
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20:11 neko259 You can add 'nektoo' overlay.
20:11 neko259 Or find it on bitbucket.
20:11 OldCoder neko259, a link would be helpful if you wish to share it
20:12 neko259 Ok, wait a min.
20:12 paxcoder pft
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20:13 neko259 https://bitbucket.org/neko259/nektoo/changeset/8fa2c3c138487534725482c89362cb6b8405ffb9#chg-games-action/minetest/minetest-0.4.3-r1.ebuild
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20:18 OldCoder neko259, t y
20:19 OldCoder neko259, is that the binary or source? Can you provide the text for the overlay?
20:19 OldCoder Ah
20:19 OldCoder yes
20:19 neko259 OldCoder: That's a build file that helps to build from source.
20:19 OldCoder tyes
20:19 OldCoder Yes
20:19 OldCoder Any way to download it?
20:20 OldCoder This is a commit
20:20 OldCoder Any way to download the text?
20:20 OldCoder https://bitbucket.org/neko259/nektoo/raw/8fa2c3c138487534725482c89362cb6b8405ffb9/games-action/minetest/minetest-0.4.3-r1.ebuild
20:20 OldCoder Is that it?
20:20 neko259 Yes.
20:21 OldCoder All right t y
20:24 * marktraceur sighs
20:24 marktraceur Patch didn't fix
20:24 marktraceur http://games.libreplanet.org/minetest/maps/current.png
20:24 marktraceur The southernmost block has a road that should continue for about 500 more nodes into water....but nothing
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20:32 OldCoder SkyBlock is restarting for a bug fix
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20:52 sokomine if a mod uses add_node - is on_placenode called under those circumstances? or only if place_node is used?
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20:55 kaeza hey guys
20:56 kaeza how's it going?
20:57 jin_xi hm, thinking about making a dreidel mod :)
20:58 kaeza dreidel? what's that?
20:59 jin_xi you spin it, one of four sides comes up once it falls
20:59 RealBadAngel sokomine, just put some print in on_placenode to test it
21:00 kaeza oh got it
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21:09 babyface1031 OldCoder did you shut the server down?
21:10 OldCoder babyface1031, Yes. It was actually an accident. Was fixing SkyBlock. Regrets.
21:10 OldCoder Should be back now
21:10 babyface1031 oh thats fine
21:10 OldCoder Time for an errand
21:10 OldCoder MT work will proceed when I return
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21:28 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jV9bB-Q7JU
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21:41 * RealBadAngel yawns
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22:01 KikaRz hi there iqualfragile
22:02 iqualfragile hi KikaRz
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22:32 KikaRz M13_
22:32 KikaRz Need to talk with you, URGENTLY
22:32 KikaRz Remove the M13 block, remove the fruits mod
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22:35 Octupus Keegan is online on Ps3
22:36 Muadtralk whats wrong with fruit?
22:36 KikaRz dropped fruit lags servere
22:36 KikaRz i needed to /clearobjects
22:36 KikaRz because from day to night, over 533216 fruits generated through server
22:36 KikaRz and it lagged it so much1
22:38 KikaRz Where is Kacey?
22:41 OldCoder Kacey 404
22:41 OldCoder Back BTW
22:41 OldCoder M13_, hello
22:41 OldCoder MrSparkle, hi to you too and I do mean MrSparkle
22:42 MrSparkle :3
22:42 * OldCoder nods
22:42 * MrSparkle nibbles
22:42 * OldCoder laughs
22:42 M13_ hello all
22:42 OldCoder all say hello back
22:42 OldCoder on the track
22:42 OldCoder M13_
22:42 OldCoder you feel keen
22:42 OldCoder Your world
22:43 OldCoder is hurled
22:43 OldCoder by fruit, apparently
22:43 M13_ lol, ik
22:43 KikaRz yess
22:43 Octupus Hi M13_
22:44 Octupus OldCoder: Keegan is online ps3 :3
22:44 OldCoder Octupus, shrug
22:45 KikaRz Going to join VPS and fix the mods.
22:45 KikaRz There is a M13 special block that cant be destructed
22:45 Octupus Use world edit KikaRz
22:46 KikaRz ...
22:46 KikaRz Octupus
22:46 KikaRz i need to remove fruit mod
22:46 KikaRz and fix the m13 mod
22:46 KikaRz bug
22:46 KikaRz Octupus, i know using world edit
22:46 KikaRz but problem is: IF THERE ARE A LOT OF THAT BLOCKS, ITS A F***ING SH*T
22:47 KikaRz like today morning
22:47 KikaRz the blocks bugged it up
22:48 OldCoder MT work in progress
22:49 KikaRz who knows a good remote controller for windows (to linux)
22:49 Lumpio- What do you mean by "remote controller"
22:49 OldCoder Can you explain?
22:49 OldCoder rdesktop will work
22:49 Lumpio- Remote mouse and keyboard? synergy
22:49 OldCoder Windows has clients
22:50 KikaRz ... but dont works
22:50 Lumpio- rdesktop is probably the best remote desktop client from Linux to Windows
22:50 Lumpio- VNC is probably easiest the other way
22:50 KikaRz not from linux to windows
22:50 KikaRz i downloaded VNC
22:50 Lumpio- rdesktop can only connect to Windows hosts in the first place...
22:50 Lumpio- RDP is Windows's own protocol for remote desktop
22:50 Lumpio- If it doesn't work you're doing something wrong (probably configuration)
22:50 OldCoder rdesktop connects fine to Linux Lumpio
22:51 OldCoder I used it just the other day
22:51 Lumpio- OldCoder: Linux does RDP now?
22:51 OldCoder Yep
22:51 OldCoder Very nicce
22:51 OldCoder *nice
22:51 OldCoder Smooth operation
22:51 Lumpio- With what
22:51 OldCoder So both Windows and Linux can access Linux
22:51 Lumpio- oo, xrdp?
22:51 OldCoder Hmm?
22:51 OldCoder Yes
22:51 Lumpio- neat
22:51 Lumpio- Never heard of it.
22:51 OldCoder I like it
22:51 OldCoder Very easy too
22:51 Lumpio- Didn't think anybody was perverted enough to implement a Microsoft remote desktop server on Linux
22:52 OldCoder To get it to work under Mint Maya I only needed to install xrdp and create a one-line .xsession file
22:53 KikaRz i guess im going to install 50 remote controllers for nothing
22:53 OldCoder Does anybody have a link to celeron55 patch for the network problem? I'm ready to build now. I assume not.
22:53 KikaRz Who knows good remote control programs for Windows that allows control into Linux?
22:54 KikaRz for Windows TO linux
22:54 KikaRz *from
22:56 Lumpio- So xrdp didn't work?
22:56 Lumpio- Did you configure it right?
22:57 KikaRz I'm not using Linux
22:57 OldCoder Lumpio-, are you speaking to KikaRz or me?
22:57 KikaRz but yes, WINDOWS
22:57 KikaRz i want to connect to a LINUX VPS
22:57 Lumpio- KikaRz
22:57 KikaRz I can try http://www.nomachine.com/download-package.php?Prod_Id=3835 too
22:57 Lumpio- Did you even read what we just wrote
22:57 * Muadtralk elbowpalm's
22:58 Lumpio- xrdp is an RDP server for Linux, you can connect to it with the RDP client that comes with Windows
22:58 KikaRz ...
22:58 KikaRz if i was having control to linux...
22:58 KikaRz -.-
22:58 Lumpio- You would what?
22:58 KikaRz i dont have control to linux!
22:58 Lumpio- You mean you can't log into the server at all?
22:58 KikaRz yes
22:58 Lumpio- Good grief
22:58 KikaRz i wanted to Remote control VPS.
22:59 Lumpio- You didn't think it'd be a good idea to mention that?
22:59 KikaRz M13 gave me VPS details
22:59 KikaRz and i dont have how to control vps.
22:59 Lumpio- Speak English
22:59 Lumpio- You don't have control, or you don't know how to control
22:59 Lumpio- Which one is it
23:00 KikaRz uff
23:00 KikaRz joined vps
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23:01 KikaRz oh fuck.
23:01 KikaRz The NX service is not available or the NX access was disabled on host m13.******.***
23:01 kaeza1 hi
23:01 Lumpio- Did you install "NX"?
23:02 KikaRz yep
23:02 Lumpio- ...on the server you doofus
23:02 Lumpio- If you didn't there's probably nothing there to respond.
23:02 Lumpio- There is no desktop installed on Linux servers by default?
23:02 Lumpio- (Or well, on by far most of them at least. Can't say for 100% of them)
23:02 Lumpio- KikaRz: It's all command line. Get an SSH client like a PuTTY derivative
23:03 Lumpio- -?
23:03 KikaRz well
23:03 KikaRz i can also try command line...
23:03 Lumpio- Have you ever actually *used* Linux?
23:03 KikaRz yep
23:03 KikaRz but never by Remote control
23:03 Lumpio- On the command line?
23:03 KikaRz Next to Connected to m13.******.***
23:03 Lumpio- It doesn't make a difference. The terminal looks exactly the same.
23:04 KikaRz it appears that error
23:04 Lumpio- what
23:04 KikaRz well
23:04 KikaRz i know working by command line 51%
23:05 KikaRz he said me to type this command
23:05 KikaRz screen -x
23:05 KikaRz next to enter the vps
23:05 Lumpio- 51%, that's pretty exact
23:05 Lumpio- If you're on Windows you'll have to install an SSH client
23:05 KikaRz uh...
23:05 KikaRz link
23:05 Lumpio- www.google.com
23:05 Lumpio- ...why am I even trying to explain this, this guy probably won't be able to do anything even if he managed to get in
23:06 OldCoder Gal
23:06 OldCoder Young woman
23:06 OldCoder Lumpio-, ^
23:06 OldCoder Lumpio-, and you'd explain it for the sake of educating
23:06 OldCoder They can make a contribution later
23:06 Lumpio- "Guy" is a reasonable guess based on statistical analysis
23:06 OldCoder Oh, yes :-)
23:06 OldCoder You're right about that
23:06 OldCoder But we have several women here
23:06 Lumpio- Yeah, but I can't be bothered to explain Linux usage 101
23:07 KikaRz searching for:
23:07 OldCoder If you can't be bothered that is your right
23:07 KikaRz ssh client windows
23:07 OldCoder Yes
23:07 KikaRz Installing PuTTY
23:07 OldCoder What happened with putty ?
23:07 OldCoder Ah. Good.
23:07 KikaRz then?
23:07 harrison chicks don't usually groove on computer stuff, man
23:08 KikaRz YAY
23:08 KikaRz WORKED!
23:09 KikaRz Its an Ubuntu system
23:09 KikaRz Welcome to Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS (GNU/Linux 2.6.32-042stab061.2 i686)
23:09 Lumpio- neat
23:09 KikaRz he's on server
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23:13 OldCoder KikaRz, glad to hear it
23:23 kaeza1 hi
23:31 M13 joined #minetest
23:32 KikaRz you back
23:32 KikaRz what happened to you?
23:32 KikaRz you timed otu
23:32 KikaRz *out
23:32 M13 no
23:32 M13 I left
23:32 KikaRz SERVER: UbuntuNerd left the server. (Timed out)
23:33 KikaRz you dont want to build a spawn or something?
23:38 KikaRz guys
23:38 KikaRz how i edit a file (like minetest.conf) in a vps? (SSL Client)
23:38 OldCoder KikaRz, Using nano or joe etc.
23:39 OldCoder A text editor
23:39 KikaRz nano
23:39 KikaRz but how?
23:39 OldCoder apt-get install nano
23:39 KikaRz already installed
23:39 OldCoder Then: nano foo.txt
23:39 OldCoder Edit
23:39 klaxa joined #minetest
23:39 OldCoder Control X I think to exit
23:39 OldCoder Done
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23:45 KikaRz bye
23:45 KikaRz good night
23:52 RealBadAngel is minetest alive?
23:52 RealBadAngel Taoki have somethin to show ya all
23:53 RealBadAngel i think you gonna like it

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