Time Nick Message 00:15 sokomine hi mauvebic 00:15 mauvebic hey 00:15 mauvebic whats new? 00:15 Uberi hey mauvebic 00:17 Muadtralk Ah muavebic you missed it? the world has been taken over by mutant turkeys and they just dropped the neutron bomb on the south pole. 00:17 Uberi darn, not again 00:17 mauvebic lol ive been nuking a map all afternoon 00:18 Muadtralk oh and it seems it was a quiet day for minetest, xyzz commited something 4 hours ago. 00:19 mauvebic dunno my old tower has the later version since my old drive died 00:19 mauvebic and the textures are all fucked up 00:19 mauvebic *latest 00:19 mauvebic everyone shows as leaves lol 00:19 Muadtralk COOL 00:20 mauvebic so for warfare, what kindof weapons are essential? 00:20 Muadtralk care to show me how to reproduce that bug? 00:20 Uberi guns! 00:20 Uberi well, that's all I think are essential, really 00:20 mauvebic well i got the plasma rifle (rapid fire 5 shots) the grenade launcher and the battlefield nuke launcher, anything missing? 00:20 Uberi plus bullets, guns are not very useful without bullets 00:20 Uberi except maybe as a club 00:20 mauvebic plasma rifle no need bullets, is power :p 00:21 Uberi and a poor club at that 00:21 Uberi nope, I don't think there's anything missing :) 00:21 Muadtralk why we need laser swords as well 00:21 mauvebic ooo the little knives old soliders put ontheir guns! 00:21 Muadtralk baonettes? 00:21 mauvebic baonettes! yes 00:21 * Muadtralk spelling fail. 00:21 mauvebic bayonettes? 00:21 mauvebic wtv lol 00:21 Uberi bayonettes? 00:22 Uberi yeah 00:22 Muadtralk yes 00:23 mauvebic anyways the plasma rifle should be ready by tomorrow thats pretty cool by itself lol 00:23 mauvebic if the first energy bullet doesnt get em, the next 4 will lol 00:26 uzver PLASMA RIFLE? 00:27 mauvebic yeah like in star trek lol 00:27 Fixer seriously, can i request some artillery and ak47 please? 00:27 mauvebic tanks are impossible but turrents are 00:50 marktraceur mauvebic: It would be cool to have smoke grenades or similar, and smoke effects on most gunpowder-based weapons. Should be possible if I'm not mistaken. 00:51 Uberi hey marktraceur, what's this I hear about a conveyor belt mod? :P 00:51 marktraceur Uberi: It's part of the industry modpack, which is more convenient because it pulls in all of the dependencies 00:51 Uberi I can't wait 00:51 marktraceur Uberi: I'm going to make a factory mod right now, then make an official-sauce release tarball 00:52 marktraceur Uberi: You don't have to wait! http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3804 00:52 Uberi \o/ 00:52 marktraceur ...unless you can't use git, in which case you might have to wait 00:52 marktraceur Calinou made an unofficial release, but I can't say it's perfect 00:52 Uberi oh do you have a GitHub mirror? 00:52 marktraceur No, Gitorious only 00:52 Uberi ah, OK 00:53 marktraceur Uberi: Why do you ask for GitHub specifically? 00:54 Uberi well, it's easy for me to see commits/activity from my feed 00:55 marktraceur Ah. You should be able to follow Gitorious activity in much the same way. 00:56 * marktraceur goes to grab coffee, then will make the factories 00:56 Uberi of course, yes 00:57 Uberi oops forgot to update submodules 00:58 Uberi can I make a suggestion, marktraceur? 00:58 * khonkhortisan : Ping Returned 00:58 Uberi you used the GPLv3 license, but MineTest mods are run on the server side 00:58 Uberi if you aim to protect the freedom of the software, there's a loophole in the GPL that is fixed by the AGPLv3 00:59 Uberi just want to mention that 00:59 marktraceur Uberi: I'm aware of it, but this community is already put off by GPL 00:59 Uberi I see 00:59 marktraceur Uberi: I may relicense in the future, but I haven't made that determination yet. 01:00 Uberi I can tell you that it's worked quite well with WorldEdit though :) 01:00 Uberi oh I like the idea of the transactor 01:00 marktraceur Uberi: That's really the only functional part of the modpack so far, other than the rubber collector (which I didn't mention in the forum post, but will add now) 01:01 mauvebic marktraceur smoke effects can be tricky, are we talking nodes or entities? 01:02 marktraceur mauvebic: It would almost certainly need to be nodes. Just define a node "air_smoky", add it in a small mod (so other mods can use it easily), and maybe make a nice little function to make a smoke cloud of radius X around a point. 01:03 mauvebic for nukes i uses toruses but yeah it would look nicer in smoke than in fire 01:03 Uberi that sounds pretty compute-intensive 01:03 mauvebic naw 01:03 mauvebic a torus full of fire or full of smoke is the same to the CPU 01:03 marktraceur mauvebic: Bonus points if you calculate the volume of smoke from the radius and make up for solid nodes blocking you by increasing the radius appropriately (since smoke wouldn't just disappear, it would move somewhere else) 01:04 mauvebic well the mushroom bit of the mushroom cloud would evaporate, but the groundblast details i have yet to work out 01:04 Uberi and the block durability for the blast could also be applied to the TNT mod 01:04 Uberi right now TNT can destroy any node 01:05 mauvebic tricky thing for the nuke is: default fire only burns wood/trees 01:05 mauvebic i use "plasmafire" for nukes that burns through almost anything 01:05 mauvebic because a nuke doesn't care if your house is metallic or wood lol 01:06 mauvebic i could practically use a custom fire and smoke node for nukes 01:06 Uberi forum search implemented! http://www.autohotkey.net/paste/16bs2i1 01:06 Uberi oh sorry wrong channel 01:06 marktraceur Uberi: Updated forum post to include rubber_collector, hopefully you're as happy about that as I was 01:07 Uberi you mean like, rubber trees? 01:07 Uberi oh hey that's a good idea 01:07 marktraceur Uberi: rubber is included in the modpack, that's what adds rubber trees 01:08 marktraceur Uberi: rubber_collector and rubber_sheet just give it some more form 01:08 marktraceur (thank VanessaE for the rubber_sheet idea) 01:08 Uberi I can see this adding a lot to gameplay 01:08 mauvebic rubber sheets 01:08 mauvebic i think i have texture in old modpack 01:08 mauvebic looks like a roll 01:08 marktraceur mauvebic: I used VanessaE's texture for plastic sheets and played with the darkness :) 01:09 mauvebic works too 01:09 mauvebic though if you need more textures my first modpack had a bunch of electricity stuff 01:09 mauvebic my second modpacks all wireless now 01:09 marktraceur mauvebic: I suspect I don't.....I'll need to make something vaguely factory-like, but that shouldn't be too hard. 01:09 mauvebic steampunk style? 01:10 Uberi that reminds me, I need to fix wireless mesecons eventually 01:10 marktraceur Actually, question: A lot of people make nodeboxes with like....half nodes, quarter nodes....what about double or triple nodes? 01:10 marktraceur Should be possible, right? 01:10 Uberi marktraceur: I've tried, didn't work with nodes 01:10 marktraceur Hrm. 01:10 Uberi but it did work with entities with visual_scale 01:10 mauvebic i think nodeboxes can overlap yes 01:10 mauvebic ive seen iot 01:10 marktraceur Well, single node should be fine 01:10 Uberi yeah they can overlap but can't seem to go outside the bounds by much 01:10 mauvebic marktraceur are you french or quebecois? 01:11 marktraceur mauvebic: Moi, je suis americain. 01:11 marktraceur mauvebic: "traceur" is a description of my hobby, Parkour. 01:11 mauvebic ahhh lol sounded like a french name lol 01:12 marktraceur mauvebic: I'm French by night, Swedish/Irish American by day. 01:12 marktraceur It's a complicated life. 01:12 mauvebic lol well my real family name is Cloutier 01:12 Uberi he's the hero we deserve 01:12 mauvebic doesnt get more french then that lol 01:12 Uberi but not the one we need 01:12 marktraceur Uberi: A Swedish/Irish American? Boy, nobody deserves that kind of hero. Crime would skyrocket. 01:13 marktraceur "Who's the superhero in this city?" "Lefse man" "We are going to OWN that guy" 01:13 Uberi :P 01:13 marktraceur (and silence ensues as people go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lefse ) 01:14 Uberi oh now you just made me hungry 01:14 mauvebic how many languages you know so far? 01:15 marktraceur Uberi: I just made lefse today, too, it's a Thanksgiving tradition in my family 01:15 marktraceur mauvebic: Me? Computer languages or human ones? 01:15 mauvebic computer lol 01:16 marktraceur mauvebic: I can speak with our digital friends in roughly 9 languages 01:17 marktraceur mauvebic: But some of those I count as half-knowing because I (for example) did a few hacks and then moved on 01:17 marktraceur 7 are solid 01:17 mauvebic to me php and python are nearly the same 01:17 mauvebic lua is alot like php too actually lol 01:18 marktraceur mauvebic: Lua and JavaScript are a lot more similar, if you're doing it "right" in both 01:18 mauvebic i can hack the cpp mapgen, but dont ask me to do more in c++ lol 01:18 marktraceur mauvebic: But "right" is a very subjective term 01:18 mauvebic javascript(ajax) and css too but webdesign is so bleh these days 01:18 marktraceur mauvebic: I agree....my C++ skills are mostly academic (I was a C++ tutor for 3 years, I can get you through an intro to C++ class with an A+, but don't ask me to write anything complicated in it) 01:19 marktraceur mauvebic: With node.js there's a lot happening in JavaScript that isn't on the web 01:19 mauvebic well if i could id do more in minetest but yeah C++ syntax is very different 01:19 marktraceur mauvebic: I've been working on a project in JavaScript for three months now, have only touched CSS once or twice (and only for functional things) 01:20 mauvebic CSS is nice if you've experienced the era of table-based designs lol 01:20 marktraceur mauvebic: Maybe it would be a good idea to run a "let's learn more about the engine" workshop one day 01:20 mauvebic though table based were often easier in php 01:20 marktraceur And/or a "let's refactor the engine so it makes more sense more quickly" hack day 01:20 mauvebic well it wouldn't hurt to have a few faqs up explaining the engine 01:20 marktraceur Yeah. 01:21 mauvebic i can do things like change the size of the sun/moon 01:21 mauvebic but thats hardly a patch lol 01:21 marktraceur celeron55: Are you interested in putting up more information for new contributors, or has your get-off-my-lawn mentality stuck around? :) 01:23 jordan4ibanez http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53050#p53050 01:23 Uberi hey jordan4ibanez 01:24 jordan4ibanez Hi uberi :D 01:24 mauvebic i think c55 == afk atm 01:24 mauvebic what does it mean when names are in grey on xchat? 01:25 jordan4ibanez I finally got sick of the placenode sound and decided to "fix it" 01:25 mauvebic does the grass still sound like egg shells? lol 01:25 marktraceur mauvebic: Probably that they have an away message set, which is fine, he'll get the message when he returns. I know IRC is async. 01:25 Uberi jordan4ibanez: I never noticed that, but then again I play with the sound off :) 01:25 mauvebic oh yeah these things log lol 01:25 * marktraceur compiles with -DENABLE_SOUND=0 01:26 jordan4ibanez I like the sounds, I play with my custom ones 01:26 marktraceur Game sounds make my music listening experience less fun 01:26 marktraceur But more power to you, jordan4ibanez 01:27 jordan4ibanez Lol, with this every time you place a node you can play a song :P 01:27 mauvebic thats not a problem for me, 4 computers plugged into the same sound system lol 01:27 mauvebic i love jango.com lol 01:27 jordan4ibanez try clementine! 01:27 marktraceur jordan4ibanez: That might get loud, considering the number of nodes I place :/ 01:28 jordan4ibanez Lmao 01:28 mauvebic celementine has online radio? 01:28 jordan4ibanez Clementine has everything 01:28 jordan4ibanez EVERYTHING 01:28 mauvebic is that a website or the music player for gnome? 01:28 marktraceur jordan4ibanez: Hypnotoad! 01:28 jordan4ibanez Music player for all desktops 01:28 mauvebic ok i know what youre talking about 01:29 mauvebic dunno i didnt even install a music player my old hd died with all my music and pix on it 01:29 mauvebic (that thread where i complained about clikcing sounds, thats what it was lol) 01:30 marktraceur jordan4ibanez: Please tell me you know what I'm talking about, re: hypnotoad 01:30 Uberi is there any way to change a client's settings from a mod? 01:30 jordan4ibanez Yes i do lol 01:31 mauvebic from a mod? 01:31 marktraceur Uberi: As in the stuff in minetest.conf? 01:31 mauvebic you can change minetest.conf but it wont work until restart 01:31 Uberi aw 01:31 marktraceur mauvebic: But that would only work if the mod was in a singleplayer world, else it would only modify the server minetest.conf 01:31 Uberi there goes my telescope idea 01:31 jordan4ibanez You'd have to include that clientside 01:32 mauvebic well that begs the question, why edit minetest.conf in game? 01:32 jordan4ibanez Change the fov while the game is running 01:32 jordan4ibanez blockplanet does that 01:32 mauvebic fov? 01:32 jordan4ibanez When you run at least 01:32 jordan4ibanez Field of view 01:32 Uberi field of view, yes 01:32 mauvebic like -/+ 01:32 mauvebic ? 01:32 jordan4ibanez like very smoothly 01:32 jordan4ibanez Jeija did it, you'd have to look at his commits to it 01:33 mauvebic change what exactly then? 01:33 rarkenin Hi. With the current 0.4 state, is it possible to make blocks that allow one-way passage? 01:33 Uberi say what of the BlockPlanet patches? 01:33 Uberi there's a lot of stuff in them and it'd be a shame to let it all go to waste 01:34 jordan4ibanez Here's the commits https://github.com/Jeija/BlockPlanet/commits/master 01:34 Uberi rarkenin: you can build one with mesecons 01:34 khonkhortisan Yes, but it would be jittery if you try to go the wrong way 01:34 Uberi add a pressure plate connected to a piston door on one side 01:34 mauvebic has anyone had the mapgen bug yet? 01:34 khonkhortisan or track the player's position and only allow it to move one direction 01:34 rarkenin OK... I'm interested in making a possible mod. 01:34 khonkhortisan there's also trapdoors 01:35 marktraceur rarkenin: My instinct is that you should look at the pressure plate mod, figure out how they detect a player step, and use the same system to allow pass-through on collision with your new node. 01:35 rarkenin OK. Thanks. I hope I didn't interrupt the previous conversation. 01:35 Uberi oh, in Mesecons we use an ABM with get_objects_in_radius 01:35 khonkhortisan No, you're not that noisy. 01:35 mauvebic dont worry, were all modding lol 01:36 marktraceur Uberi: That sounds buggy! 01:36 Uberi then if you find a player, something's standing on it 01:36 Uberi marktraceur: it works, though :P 01:36 Uberi you can walk right over it if the server is lagging, unfortunately 01:36 * marktraceur wonders why we don't have an on_collision hook yet 01:37 rarkenin That would really be useful... 01:37 khonkhortisan just tie it to where the physics system stops movement 01:37 mauvebic i wish nodes could overlap lol 01:37 khonkhortisan yuck 01:37 khonkhortisan we could have 45° nodes then 01:37 Uberi is that ? a degree symbol? 01:38 khonkhortisan yep. compose+o+o 01:38 mauvebic overlap is highly unlikely though 01:38 babyface1031 hi Doc22 and @OldCoder 01:38 khonkhortisan also, a divide symbol ÷ 01:39 mauvebic all nodes should be falling nodes though, that would already help gravity alot 01:39 marktraceur babyface1031: His nick is just OldCoder, the @ means he's a mod, but isn't part of his nick. 01:39 mauvebic unless is somehow connected to a node with group antigrav=1, it should fall 01:39 khonkhortisan there's a node physics topic on the forum, that's slightly more complicated than falling 01:39 Uberi mauvebic: that would make buildings rather... difficult :P 01:40 Uberi not to mention entity-entity collision 01:40 mauvebic i said connected :P 01:40 khonkhortisan oh yeah, where you can't have floating islands 01:40 mauvebic its tricky though 01:40 Uberi especially with Taoki's 3D models 01:40 khonkhortisan that could be done 01:40 mauvebic the thing with falling nodes is that the support has to be under 01:41 OldCoder Hi 01:41 Uberi hey OldCoder 01:41 OldCoder babyface1031, Octuteam World is back up 01:41 mauvebic and it if were sideways, youd have to check that each subsequent node is connected to something thats connected to the ground 01:41 OldCoder and better than ever! :-) 01:41 babyface1031 it si :D 01:41 OldCoder Well, less corrupted anyway 01:41 OldCoder Should be fine for now 01:41 OldCoder Go try it and report missing pieces 01:41 OldCoder We are reverted to the 17th 01:42 babyface1031 ok 01:42 khonkhortisan mauvebic, Related: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3032 01:42 mauvebic i read it :p i just thought it was near impossible to do in lua 01:43 khonkhortisan every block would have physics-related metadata in it if it was done in lua 01:43 khonkhortisan it might be slow 01:43 mauvebic dont need metadata 01:43 khonkhortisan ? 01:43 mauvebic the world is flat 01:43 mauvebic every node falls down 01:44 mauvebic unless a node is squishy, it doesnt bounce 01:44 mauvebic thats basic physics right there, enough for MT 01:44 Uberi pretty much 01:44 mauvebic thing is all nodes dont fall down if they are connected to something connected to the ground 01:44 mauvebic thats the tricky bit 01:45 mauvebic recursive algorithms are to be avoided lol 01:45 khonkhortisan if a node was hanging on a wall and fell because it had too much weight on top of it, it would need metadata - and the physics wouldn't be so simple 01:45 babyface1031 OldCoder we have to get all the machines out again 01:46 Uberi and whether a node is on the ground is a tricky thing in itself 01:46 mauvebic dont need meta use groups instead 01:46 khonkhortisan ① build tower ② build two-node-long plateau on top of the tower ③ remove tower ④ watch the two nodes holding each other up in mid-air 01:46 Uberi you have to check all the way to -y chunk load distance 01:46 OldCoder babyface1031, Yep 01:47 mauvebic and gravity would probably fuck up things like worldedit and multinode 01:47 marktraceur khonkhortisan: You could probably use a system of links that point to supporting nodes, instead of simply "is there an adjacent node" 01:47 marktraceur khonkhortisan: That way it's all included in node metainfo from the second mapgen fires 01:47 mauvebic assuming the user places them manually, then yes, you could always set each node to show if theres a connected node 01:48 mauvebic i think thats what is_ground_content was meant to do lol 01:49 marktraceur mauvebic: No, no, not only player-placed. mapgen can set the support links in generation. It would be a few more bits to store per node, but might be worth it for realism lovers 01:49 Uberi oh man I've been looking for what that does for ages! 01:49 Uberi it wasn't documented anywhere 01:49 marktraceur Uberi: It's no-op 01:49 khonkhortisan yeah a nothing variable 01:49 mauvebic still 01:49 rarkenin Still, the legacy method should remain available for the realosm haters or those with slow machines. 01:49 mauvebic gravity is helluvalot more tricky to setup than warfare or RPGs, and we dont even have much of that yet 01:50 marktraceur Uberi: I guess you could look at it as a flag that means "This mod was coded by a newbie who has copied from old examples and hasn't chatted with experienced modders" 01:50 marktraceur :) 01:50 mauvebic if gravity is done, it wont be in lua thats for sure lol 01:50 marktraceur mauvebic: The community seems a little hostile to the RPG idea, though, innit? 01:51 mauvebic well i dont like RPGs either, but my wife does lol 01:51 mauvebic so i thought, instead of caftable items, what about skill items? 01:51 * khonkhortisan playing an rpg right now 01:51 Uberi we were all noobs, once 01:51 mauvebic youd need a certain skill level to be able to craft something 01:51 Uberi well I think RPGs are best left to mods 01:51 marktraceur Uberi: Agreed! I only learned about the is_ground thing yesterday. 01:51 marktraceur Er...maybe a few days ago 01:52 * marktraceur is a little bit blurry this week 01:52 Uberi you can't make an RPG for everyone, but you can make a sandbox :) 01:52 mauvebic no but a basic RPG API 01:52 mauvebic theyre all the same anyways 01:52 Uberi then you have many RPG mods, one for each player's tastes 01:52 mauvebic you need skills to do X and make Y 01:52 Uberi eh, I suppose you could put it that way 01:52 mauvebic math-wise i mean :p 01:52 marktraceur OK, I have a simple request: What should be used to craft factories? 01:53 mauvebic one-node factories? 01:53 marktraceur I think there should be multiple levels of tech tree between the base materials and a factory, since it's such a powerful concept 01:53 mauvebic something with mese 01:53 Uberi lots of mese 01:53 mauvebic well if its like simcity or age of empires, a player should "evolve" their colony before having access to better resources 01:54 marktraceur I'm considering using two of my transactors as part of the recipe, but more third-level craftitems (i.e., you need to craft twice to make them) would be good 01:54 mauvebic we need a sortof "research" mod lol 01:54 mauvebic like homeworld 01:55 * marktraceur doesn't like the idea of using mese in this recipe 01:55 mauvebic in minetest you start out pretty much stone age lol 01:55 Uberi then you got Mesecons/Tekkit and... I dunno, a MESE age? 01:56 marktraceur Something that you'd see in the construction of a factory. I have mechanical arms, gears, conveyor belts already available, but I'd like to possibly add more of those second-level craft items and then add third-level ones that go in here 01:56 Uberi marktraceur: a crane, maybe? 01:56 Uberi or a winch 01:56 Uberi lift stuff vertically 01:56 marktraceur Uberi: A winch seems good, that could be used in the middle...maybe a winch that makes a dumbwaiter (little elevator)? 01:56 mauvebic factories would be cool, im working on hunter-killers (terminator) lol 01:57 Uberi oh neat 01:57 mauvebic well i already have guns, NPCs that can shoot are the next step lol 01:58 rarkenin A pulley system would be possibly useful... 01:58 marktraceur rarkenin: This is just a discussion about craft items, but you'd be welcome to use the craft items to make nodes in the future :) 01:58 Uberi can't wait for the next stable MT: 2x faster mapgen, 3D players, key press API 01:59 rarkenin Sorry... 01:59 marktraceur Uberi: Where'd you get those features? 01:59 mauvebic will the mapgen more customizable? 01:59 Uberi plus the hundreds of bugfixes 01:59 marktraceur rarkenin: Don't be, I just wanted to be clear :) 01:59 Uberi marktraceur: the mapgen update was #254, 3D players is Taoki's branch, soon to be merged, and key press API is rba's 01:59 marktraceur Ooh, a hopper. A hopper is important. Maybe two. 01:59 Uberi so many awesome things 02:00 marktraceur Oh cool. 02:01 mauvebic in one of the latest gits all my players show up as leaves, is minetest.conf enable_texture_atlas =false still valid? 02:01 Uberi mauvebic: IIRC tex atlas issues caused mismatched textures... 02:01 Uberi you updated mt_game, right? 02:02 mauvebic on my old tower its the latest version of everything 02:02 mauvebic cant connect to squat either lol 02:02 Uberi :/ 02:02 Uberi how about a slightly older version? 02:03 mauvebic all my other comps are running older versions and are fine 02:03 Uberi oh and the next version includes my patches for tree growth and clearpassword crashes, so it should help with the griefer problem 02:03 mauvebic which is why i ahvent updated 02:04 Uberi let's see, I should make a changelog 02:08 marktraceur Is there any existing mod that has chisels, scissors, or other smaller tools? 02:08 Uberi I think I saw shears in one 02:08 Uberi oh yes it was animals/mobf 02:08 marktraceur Hrm, animals 02:09 marktraceur But that's licensed under some stupid "modified GPL" or whatever, and useless to me 02:09 Uberi oh yeah, ask sapier about relicensing 02:09 marktraceur Plus, I need more than shears. OK, I'm on it. 02:12 Uberi I did a quick changelog: http://www.pasteall.org/37459 02:12 Uberi just from the commit summary so far, but there is a big bunch of changes incoming 02:13 marktraceur I want to quickly say, for the record, that I am not an artist. But I'm about to make textures. 02:13 Uberi think of the children! :P 02:21 marktraceur Hrm....what about fueling the factory? Should I make the input/output hoppers smaller and add a fuel slot, take fuel from the input hopper (if it isn't used for the craft recipe), or just run it without fuel? 02:21 rarkenin It would depend on the input being run. Perhaps: Have a fuel place, take fuel if the iten being processed needs it, take no fuel otherwise? 02:22 rarkenin If there is no fuel, skip the things in the input needing fuel. 02:22 marktraceur rarkenin: Well, the question is essentially twofold. 1. Should a factory take fuel to run, and 2. Where should I have the user put the fuel? 02:23 marktraceur rarkenin: Either it takes fuel or not, I figure. 02:23 rarkenin Not all processes really need fuel. Of course, being a biochemist, I base everything on enzymes. 02:23 marktraceur rarkenin: Well, moving mechanical arms and conveyor belts should either take fuel or not, from a gameplay perspective 02:23 rarkenin Most things will need fuel, but some will just take 0 fuel from the fuel hopper. 02:24 rarkenin Ah. Those? They should, IMO, take fuel. They need not go through 2 lava buckets a second. They are just conveyors, not fusion reactors. 02:24 marktraceur *nod8 02:24 marktraceur *nod** 02:25 marktraceur But that means I need to write a fuel-consumption algorithm into it 02:25 * marktraceur grumbles 02:25 rarkenin Just like the furnace? 02:25 marktraceur rarkenin: Basically, but I have to write it into this mod now, tooo 02:25 rarkenin The furnace one can be reused, but doubling times since a conveyor need not reach 950 degrees centigrade. 02:26 marktraceur Seems right :) 02:26 marktraceur rarkenin: Biochemist, eh? That's pretty great. 02:26 marktraceur rarkenin: Are you going to make biochem mods? Or just here to get away from work? :) 02:27 rarkenin I am a student, and am on break due to the national holiday here in the states. Of course, my studies are first. 02:27 rarkenin I might... 02:27 rarkenin Mese-concentrating bacteria? 02:29 marktraceur rarkenin: I'd take fungi that produce useful chemicals, gathered and placed in special equipment for gathering it 02:29 OldCoder Don't model the bacteria individually :p 02:29 marktraceur OldCoder: Game of Life, in Minetest! 02:29 rarkenin I won't... I'll just make flasks. 02:30 OldCoder Sure! 02:30 rarkenin Just not now, I'm a bit tied up right now. 02:30 * marktraceur thinks it might be time to go clean up the late lunch/early dinner he had 02:30 rarkenin Lua hates me. PHP loves me. Therefore I should use a library for PHP-in-LUA. 02:34 OldCoder babyface1031, wb 02:34 babyface1031 ty 02:35 mauvebic lua is practically php 02:35 mauvebic the php of games lol 02:35 rarkenin It still hates me... :-( 02:36 mauvebic any good at python? 02:37 mauvebic theres alot of stuff you can do with python that you cant with lua, gives for some interesting mods 02:37 rarkenin No, just PHP... 02:37 rarkenin I overuse it. 02:38 rarkenin I've even used it to make a system to arm wrestle over IP. it sisn't work since in testing, I won. 02:40 marktraceur rarkenin: Have you contributed to MediaWiki before? It's a fun project (in my not-so-objective opinion) 02:40 rarkenin No, not really. 02:40 mauvebic i know 02:40 mauvebic i learned php ten years ago, first language 02:41 rarkenin On another note: I don't think this can be done via the mod API, but I'd love to see private chat nets for areas. Great for groups of people working together, or a factory. 02:41 mauvebic private messages are easy 02:41 marktraceur mauvebic: For groups, though, it would be a bit harder 02:41 marktraceur rarkenin: Possible, but not trivial 02:42 marktraceur rarkenin: It would probably be more like "invite people to a group so you can chat privately" 02:42 mauvebic youd have to save the groups to an array 02:42 mauvebic and load them at startup 02:42 marktraceur rarkenin: You'd just need to save the groups, and PM each person when a group message is sent 02:44 rarkenin Oh, right, I forgot of the PM system. 02:45 marktraceur rarkenin: It's all documented in the API reference (doc/lua_api.txt), search for chat in there 02:48 Uberi something like clans/factions, maybe 02:50 jordan4ibanez tpa would be nice for that 02:50 Muadtralk minetest-war? 02:50 Muadtralk it had clans 02:50 jordan4ibanez /tpa to_player, /tpaccept, /tpdeny 02:55 marktraceur jordan4ibanez: tpa? 02:56 jordan4ibanez telleport request 02:56 jordan4ibanez then the player being requested denies or accepts 02:57 marktraceur Ah. 03:00 jordan4ibanez very, good for clans 03:01 Uberi teleportation is a bit overpowered though IMO 03:02 Uberi for example, with two players one could raid the base, and as soon as he/she is discovered teleport away 03:10 jordan4ibanez Exactly! 03:10 jordan4ibanez More action lol 03:10 jordan4ibanez LandMine offered to "test" my server, lol. 03:10 Uberi haha 03:12 jordan4ibanez Omg, I've found it, someone that makes me more irritated than vanessae, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53082#p53082 the last post 03:13 jordan4ibanez No offense vanessae, lol. 03:13 Uberi eh, I usually assume they don't speak English as their first language 03:14 Uberi I mean, it sounds like a translator output, no? 03:14 jordan4ibanez Yep 03:16 Muadtralk you gave up being the T_A_N_K? 03:17 Uberi those underscore were a pain to type, to be honest 03:18 marktraceur jordan4ibanez: The last post is you, so....you're irritated by yourself? 03:18 Uberi hey hmmmm 03:18 jordan4ibanez The two hemispheres of my brain are arguing again damnit 03:18 marktraceur jordan4ibanez: His capitalization of "You" might mean he sees you as a deity. 03:18 Uberi and the cerebellum's tired of all their bickering 03:19 marktraceur jordan4ibanez: Sever the corpus collossum, that'll all be over 03:19 OldCoder NekoGloop, Hi 03:20 Uberi hey NekoGloop 03:20 Uberi I'm off to go play some Ace of Spades now :) 03:20 NekoGloop ... I have a feeling that i am needed for some reason or another. 03:20 OldCoder It is quite possible 03:21 Muadtralk yes I need you to run in circles until you get dizzy. :P 03:22 * NekoGloop complies. 03:26 jordan4ibanez http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm44w1WdBvo 03:26 jordan4ibanez This is how i react when i get email 03:27 marktraceur I love this so much. 03:31 jordan4ibanez Oh god, and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpRb4McIxys 03:37 NekoGloop jordan4ibanez: Y-y-y-y-y-you have mail! 03:50 babyface1031 night guy and gals 04:04 Kacey hello 04:04 Kacey hey doc 04:07 Kacey is anyone online? 04:07 NekoGloop No, go away. 04:07 Kacey lol 04:07 khonkhortisan barely 04:07 Kacey Doc22 are you here mentally? 04:09 Kacey ok maybe not 04:10 Kacey neko: i made a mod :) 04:10 Kacey nm 04:11 Kacey anyone want to join my server? 04:11 Doc22 hey guys 04:11 Kacey ooh there you are 04:11 Doc22 i got a 1tb hd for 59$ at black friday sales 04:12 Doc22 WOOOOO 04:12 Kacey but it is only 9 pm 04:12 Doc22 and i made a farming mod with carrots, raspberries, potatoes, and corn 04:12 Doc22 the corn looks nice 04:12 Kacey cool 04:12 Doc22 :/ 04:13 Kacey how about wheat? 04:13 Kacey can i contribute wheat? 04:13 Kacey or at leats the textures 04:14 Doc22 oh sure 04:14 Doc22 lemme see it 04:14 Doc22 ill use it if it matches the other plants 04:14 Kacey well i need to make them first 04:14 Kacey i need to see the others to make it match 04:17 Doc22 ok 04:17 Doc22 dont bother 04:17 Doc22 its ok 04:17 Doc22 i got them 04:18 Kacey wooooo that was fun 04:18 Doc22 im not uploading till its done 04:18 Kacey k 04:18 Kacey want to join my server? 04:19 Doc22 in a bit 04:20 Kacey k 04:40 * VanessaE jabs jordan4ibanez in the ribs for the previous "irritating" comment. 04:40 VanessaE hi all. 04:43 * Kacey slaps VanessaE with pure nothing 04:43 VanessaE heh 04:44 * Kacey kicks VanessaE with a horse 04:45 Kacey lol fail 04:45 * Kacey slaps VanessaE with bill gates wallet 04:45 Kacey there it is 04:45 VanessaE hah 04:46 Kacey yep 04:48 Kacey making a mod withDoc22 04:48 telek VanessaE: With just the change falling out of BillG's wallet when it impacted you, not only were you able to pay for the medical bills, but also for the entirety of Minetest development, both scripted and programmed :D 04:48 Kacey lol 04:49 VanessaE haha 04:59 Kacey having technical difficulties with this mod 04:59 Aqua hi 05:00 VanessaE hi 05:00 Aqua first time using irc =D 05:01 Kacey well as OldCoder would say 05:01 OldCoder Hi! 05:01 Kacey "pull up a seat and stay for a while" 05:01 OldCoder Welcome! 05:01 OldCoder Chill! 05:01 OldCoder Kacey, Hey! 05:01 OldCoder Kacey, 30004 should be good now 05:01 OldCoder Though it's time to shut down the worlds for a backup 05:01 OldCoder 05:01 OldCoder Everybody out of the pool! 05:02 Kacey i am busy making a (somewhat)successful mod 05:02 Aqua how do i know who's online? 05:02 Aqua what mod? 05:02 OldCoder Aqua, online in IRC? 05:02 Aqua yep 05:02 OldCoder Your client should show a list 05:02 OldCoder I see 66 names for example on the right 05:02 OldCoder Try HexChat; it does this 05:02 Kacey my newest (i think it is my fourth) mod called the churnace 05:02 OldCoder churnace? 05:02 Aqua ....so all of those people are online? 05:03 Kacey chest and furnace together 05:03 Aqua lol 05:03 OldCoder Cooks your possessions?? 05:03 OldCoder Handy! 05:03 Aqua then you can maked locked churnace 05:03 OldCoder Who needs all that stuff? 05:03 Kacey lol 05:03 OldCoder Burn it up! 05:03 marktraceur Kacey: What the hell does that mean? Bigger inventories for src and dst? 05:04 Kacey no just an inentory that you can store stuff in and cook when you need to 05:04 Aqua took me a few minutes to figure out how to get on irc 05:04 marktraceur ....so it's a furnace. 05:04 telek marktraceur: The inventory just acts as fuel for a furnace, which due to not having an 'input' item slot just continuously combusts what was placed in it. Kinda like a mimic in D&D :D 05:04 Kacey no 05:04 marktraceur Kacey: What's different? 05:05 Aqua my survival games map is nearly ready 05:05 Kacey there will be a cooking side and a storage side of the inventory 05:05 marktraceur Kacey: So a furnace....with bigger inventories. 05:05 Kacey no 05:05 jordan4ibanez How would i go about damaging a player? 05:05 marktraceur Kacey: So what else is different? 05:05 Kacey a chest and a furnace put together 05:06 Aqua so you can store your stuff and cook at the same time nice! 05:06 Kacey yes Aqua got it 05:06 Aqua its handy 05:06 marktraceur Kacey: Normal furnaces have storage too. 05:06 OldCoder But not cook your stuff? 05:06 OldCoder Hmm 05:06 OldCoder So it can't be used to roast your money? 05:07 Kacey marktraceur: but they only have 4 slots 05:07 Kacey oldcoder that is correct 05:07 OldCoder Oh, well 05:07 marktraceur Kacey: So what you're saying is, it's a furnace, but with more than 4 slots? i.e., a BIGGER INVENTORY? 05:07 Aqua no 05:07 Kacey well almost 05:07 marktraceur Kacey: Well, what's the difference between what I just said and what you made? 05:08 Kacey i havent made it work yet 05:08 Aqua isnt it one side for cooking then the other for storing stuff 05:08 Aqua that wont be cooked 05:08 Kacey Aqua that is correct 05:08 marktraceur Kacey: So it's a furnace, with bigger inventory, that doesn't cook things. Interesting. 05:08 Kacey maybe a tab for both 05:08 * marktraceur will be downloading that right away 05:08 Aqua ....... 05:08 Aqua facepalm 05:09 * Kacey is going bald from it 05:09 Aqua kacey u ever gonna release ur water thing 05:09 Aqua the one where it can push you 05:09 Kacey it went down... i lost the code 05:10 VanessaE backups. 05:10 VanessaE always keep backups. 05:10 Aqua i never keep backups 05:10 Aqua to lazy 05:10 Kacey wouldnt be hard to remake but i am busy with churnace right now 05:10 marktraceur Aqua: Syntax error: "lazy" is an invalid verb 05:11 VanessaE it takes zero effort to make backups if you have a good setup. 05:11 Aqua how do i port foward? 05:11 VanessaE I use a script I wrote, which uses several runs of rsync, to backup to an external hard disk. all I have to do is tell it the path of the drive and everything else happens automatically. 05:11 Aqua for a server 05:11 Aqua http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3624 05:11 VanessaE takes me all of 2 seconds to type my root password. 05:12 Kacey linux? 05:12 Aqua i got windows xp 05:12 Aqua old......really old 05:12 Aqua laptop 05:12 VanessaE Kacey: of course. no one in their right mind uses windows anyway :) 05:13 Kacey i use xp also but i am going to switch to xubuntu 05:13 VanessaE I use Xubuntu 12.04. it works well for me. 05:13 marktraceur Kacey: You use NT? 05:13 Kacey nt? 05:13 marktraceur Yeah, NT. 05:13 Kacey what is that? 05:13 marktraceur Kacey: Your kernel 05:13 marktraceur (maybe) 05:14 Kacey i use windows xp 05:14 Aqua can minetest run on mac? 05:14 Kacey and what is a kernal? 05:14 marktraceur Kacey: It's what Linux is, which one do you use? 05:14 VanessaE Aqua: not really, no. there aren't any current mac builds, but it did run at one time. 05:14 VanessaE but there's at least one guy working on it, so maybe some time soon 05:14 Kacey i dont use one yet 05:14 marktraceur Kacey: You don't use a kernel? That seems unlikely. 05:15 Aqua :( thinking bout getting a mac when i get to high school 05:15 Kacey i use windows xp right now 05:15 marktraceur Kacey: Yeah, but usually that means you're using NT. 05:15 Aqua but then i cant play minetest 05:15 VanessaE now now mark, don't get too pedantic, these are windows users you're talking to - the kind of folks who think a CD/DVD drive is a cupholder and the computer is a hard drive :-) 05:15 VanessaE Aqua: try it under a virtual machine running a linux distribution. 05:16 marktraceur Aqua: A mac is just hardware, get it and put GNU/Linux on it 05:16 VanessaE or do that. 05:16 Kacey hey the cupholder idea worked really well 05:16 Kacey until it closed 05:16 VanessaE Kacey: I can't count the number of people I've heard referring to the computer box itself as just "hard drive". 05:16 marktraceur Aqua: Of course, you could save money and buy decent hardware sans the Apple(TM)(R)(C)(FU) price hike 05:16 Aqua i think gameboom is down now really need to find a new server 05:16 Kacey lol 05:16 VanessaE lol mark 05:17 VanessaE Aqua: your copy of minetest might be too old, or too new. 05:17 VanessaE gameboom tends to be rather out of date. 05:17 VanessaE they just updated to 0.4.3 recently. 05:17 VanessaE and that's already slightly dated. 05:17 Aqua gameboom was my fave.... :( 05:17 * Kacey cannot wait until 0.5 comes out 05:17 OldCoder Aqua, they supposedly recovered it 05:18 OldCoder Oh 05:18 OldCoder Down again? 05:18 OldCoder I *asked* GhostShell for a copy 05:18 OldCoder D: 05:18 telek Kacey: I'm waiting for 2.0. By then the bugs should be worked out :D 05:18 Aqua too many griefers 05:18 Kacey lol 05:18 telek Also maybe the API will be finalized :D 05:18 Kacey but the bugs are the fun part 05:18 marktraceur telek: By 2.0 we'll be on an accelerated release cycle, each release will just be adding one API hook, once every week 05:18 Aqua does worldedit make minetest lag? 05:19 telek Only if they're crawling around in game, not in-server :D 05:19 Kacey a little bit 05:19 jordan4ibanez Who want's too see something cool? 05:19 telek marktraceur: Not that'll be sometime after 3.x :D 05:19 Kacey i do!!!!! 05:19 telek Right before the switch to only doing major number releases (ala MacOS, Windows, Chrome and Firefox :D 05:20 Kacey by then we would have to pay for mineest if we hadnt contributed to it before 05:21 Aqua pun stop bots is annoying.......and dodgy 05:21 VanessaE actually, when the game is ready to approach the 3.1.0 mark, it should just skip to 5.0.0, just to sidestep all those...ahem.. people .. who insist on saying "4.0.3" or "4.3.0" instead of the correct number. 05:22 VanessaE Kacey: if it were to go commercial it wouldn't matter anyway - it is open source. by definition, you will never have to pay for what we already have now - anyone can fork it and continue developing a free version 05:22 Kacey ooh 05:22 marktraceur VanessaE: You mean we aren't going to do 2.26.x.x for 7 years then arbitrarily release 3.1? 05:22 VanessaE marktraceur: exactly. :-) 05:22 telek But lots of rabid fanboys will only use the commercial version while decrying the damn dirty hippies :D 05:23 jordan4ibanez http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHWsxzrJwCs&feature=youtu.be 05:23 jordan4ibanez Turrets lol 05:23 VanessaE marktraceur: instead, we'll wallow in the 0.4.x realm for the next 2 years and then arbitrarily release 0.5-stable :D 05:23 Aqua is there any server hosted in australia? 05:23 marktraceur VanessaE: By definition, the OSI and the FSF never define price as being a part of the requirements, so it's possible to charge for the software. 05:23 telek Nah, 3.0, 3.1, 3.11, 3.11 for Warehouses, 3.5, 3.51, then 4.0, then 5.0, only called something pertaining to date, then NG, then Plateau, then return to numbering with 7 and 8 :D 05:23 Aqua jordan its not workin 05:24 * telek did miss a couple there :D 05:24 VanessaE marktraceur: oh sure, but if the source is already out there, then anyone can just fork it and keep developing a free-as-in-beer one. 05:24 VanessaE like the big argument over OpenOffice -> LibreOffice. 05:24 telek Or StarOffice -> OpenOffice -> LibreOffice :D 05:25 VanessaE right 05:25 marktraceur We could release Minetest ME (Millenium Edition) in 2014, then spend three years trolling people by simply saying "Oh, you're using the wrong calendar" 05:25 telek Since you'll remember there were complaints when it was still Star vs Open, and the open one was 'inferior' :D 05:25 VanessaE lol 05:25 VanessaE no, better yet. 05:25 telek marktraceur: Don't you mean the 2013 'ME (Mayan Edition)'? :D 05:25 VanessaE Minetest Mayan Edition 05:25 telek ::) 05:25 VanessaE release date, 2012-12-21 05:25 VanessaE :-) 05:25 OldCoder VanessaE, what did you have for dinner? 05:25 marktraceur Oho, and telek beats out VanessaE by a few seconds! 05:26 VanessaE OldCoder: Jennie-O turkey loaf, potatoes, stuffing, biscuits, apple pie with whipped cream. 05:26 OldCoder Turkey Loaf? 05:26 * OldCoder visualizes this marvel 05:26 OldCoder Sounds good actually 05:26 telek Probably because I didn't eat too much this year mark :D 05:26 VanessaE yeah, processed turkey formed into a loaf about half the size of one of those little specialty loaves of bread 05:27 marktraceur telek: Seconded, I had some ham and stuffing, it was plenty for me 05:27 VanessaE OldCoder: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mSWq8cd7yLU/TPVyTuuK4yI/AAAAAAAAAJg/no83-fW_n4Q/s1600/jennieo.jpg 05:27 VanessaE that. 05:27 telek Heh, we had a like 5+ course meal for ours, almost all from scratch (save stuffing.) 05:27 Aqua jordan that is soo cool 05:27 VanessaE that's been our thanksgiving staple for the past decade now :-) 05:28 OldCoder I must try it 05:28 VanessaE it's actually very good when cooked right 05:28 OldCoder I believe it 05:28 OldCoder Loaf is Love Of All Food! 05:29 OldCoder Hmm. That needs work. 05:29 VanessaE tip: make some great value "butter" "flaky" biscuits. Split one, add a slice of Kraft "singles" cheese, and a few thin slices of the above turkey. nuke until the cheese melts. On a separate plate, place a slice of no-sugar-added apple pie from wal-mart (I forge the brand). Nuke until very warm. Top with Reddi-Whip. 05:29 VanessaE THOSE two are HEAVEN ON A PLATE. 05:29 VanessaE :-) 05:30 OldCoder Oh my 05:30 OldCoder Sigh 05:30 OldCoder Reddi-Whip is Hip 05:30 VanessaE fuck yeah it is :-) 05:30 OldCoder Not kidding or poking fun 05:30 VanessaE don't give me none of that Cool Whip shit. :-) 05:30 VanessaE Reddi-Whip or bust. 05:30 OldCoder I shall look for the real thing 05:30 OldCoder Yep 05:31 OldCoder VanessaE, I will blog that recipe if I may 05:31 VanessaE go right ahead 05:31 OldCoder Indeed I take heed 05:31 VanessaE I meant Great Value biscuits, that is, Wal-Mart's brand. 05:31 OldCoder k 05:31 marktraceur VanessaE: You don't like Coo Hwhip? 05:32 VanessaE marktraceur: no, I don't like air-whip. :-) 05:32 VanessaE I swear, when the stuff is at normal consumption temperatures, it's like eating flavored air. 05:32 VanessaE heh, Abe's over here half asleep from having consumed too much :) 05:32 marktraceur VanessaE: Oh, I'm making flavoured air right now! 05:33 Aqua is there any server hosted in australia? 05:33 marktraceur VanessaE: Family cookie recipe, basically air + sugar + chocolate. Amazing stuff. 05:33 VanessaE Aqua: no clue - probably though. 05:33 OldCoder VanessaE, turkey slices or turkey loaf slices? 05:33 VanessaE marktraceur: actually that sounds good, save for the sugar - use Stevia instead. 05:33 Aqua cornernote had one 05:34 * marktraceur has been warned off non-sugar by the girlfriend :) 05:34 VanessaE OldCoder: slices of the above Jennie-O turkey loaf. two to three 1/8 inch thick slices per biscuit. 05:34 OldCoder k 05:34 VanessaE marktraceur: stevia is all natural and is incredibly tasty as sweetners go. 05:35 VanessaE walmart sells it, one brand they have is "truvia". 05:35 marktraceur Hm. I'll think about 'er. 05:35 VanessaE (besides, we have to avoid sugar for diabetic and roux-en-Y reasons) 05:35 marktraceur VanessaE: roux-en-y? 05:36 VanessaE marktraceur: try sometime - give her some favorite food, but sweeten it with that instead of sugar. see if she notices :-) 05:36 marktraceur VanessaE: Oooh, she'd be soooo pissed 05:36 VanessaE Roux-en-Y gastric bypass. Weight loss surgery. One of the "side effects" as it were is that consumption of too many carbs, especially sugar, will lead to digestive discomfort or adverse reactions. 05:37 VanessaE marktraceur: not if you offered it to her without her asking for it. 05:37 VanessaE get rid of the sugar. it's for your better health. 05:37 marktraceur VanessaE: No, when I told her later what was in it she'd be freaked out about it....I'll just ask 'er what she think about it, be safe :) 05:38 Dogzilla131 hey can somebody make a mod to make creatures of Scp coaintaiment Breach? 05:38 VanessaE ok, see what she says then. 05:38 VanessaE Dogzilla131: eh? 05:38 Dogzilla131 Do you know whats Scp Containment Breach 05:38 VanessaE marktraceur: but first, be prepared to offer her some food sweetened therewith. She'll be more likely to give it a fair chance if you can prepare it right. 05:38 VanessaE Dogzilla131: no. 05:39 Dogzilla131 is horror game look it up 05:39 VanessaE no thanks. 05:39 * marktraceur will make forgotten cookies again with Stevia if she's receptive 05:39 * VanessaE is definitely NOT into horror. 05:39 VanessaE marktraceur: sounds good. 05:40 Aqua freaky zombie thing with cucumber eyes 05:40 Aqua is that wat u mean? 05:40 marktraceur WAT. 05:40 marktraceur https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat 05:43 Dogzilla131 nobody want to make that mod 05:43 Aqua http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Scp+Containment+Breach 05:43 Aqua i can try but it will be dodgy 05:44 VanessaE HO-LY shit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=hQYTMFCLy5E&NR=1 05:44 * telek wonders how much hassle it'd be to make animatable entirely voxel 4d mobs (3d+animation) 05:44 jordan4ibanez lmfao 05:44 Aqua jordan ur turrets r so cool 05:45 jordan4ibanez I know 05:45 Aqua make dispensers 05:45 jordan4ibanez 8 :) 05:45 jordan4ibanez 8 :) 05:45 jordan4ibanez 8 :) 05:45 jordan4ibanez 8) 05:45 * marktraceur so enjoys the WAT talk every time 05:45 Aqua and ur axe thing 05:46 Aqua atom axe? 05:46 telek There's your 'accidental' arson :D 05:46 marktraceur Atom Ant? 05:47 Aqua http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6puzT-EOGho&list=UUgc3zP0FfBqM9yiy6WNFFPw&index=10&feature=plcp 05:48 VanessaE telek: someone already did voxel mobs, non-animated though. Animating such would be a real bitch I'm sure. besides, we have real 3d models coming soon thanks to Taoki. 05:49 telek VanessaE: Agreed regarding Taoki's work, but there might be purists who'd like everything as a voxel :D 05:49 * marktraceur imagines it's like the cube pigs from WKUK 05:49 jordan4ibanez No no no 05:49 jordan4ibanez You anchor entities to eachother 05:49 jordan4ibanez give a mob an ID number 05:49 jordan4ibanez each part of the mob has the same ID number 05:49 jordan4ibanez make them work together, anchored to 1 collision box 05:49 jordan4ibanez hence, animated mobs 05:49 Aqua cya 05:50 telek So basically the voxel equivalent of multipart sprites? 05:50 jordan4ibanez Yes 05:50 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: celeron55 already pretty much ruled in the matter, that he wants the idea to be some kind of easily-scriptable model, not something based around cube-ish objects, entities, etc. 05:50 jordan4ibanez Well as long as that's not around, use my method and make mobbies the JORDAN WAY! 05:50 VanessaE but how does one anchor two entities together? 05:51 marktraceur jordan4ibanez: What is this, a sneaker commercial? 05:51 jordan4ibanez You get the position of the main base (the collision detection entity) and position the other extremedies around that 05:51 VanessaE yeah but that's not a true anchor, the server can't keep entities perfectly in sync. 05:52 VanessaE otherwise we'd have done that long ago I'm sure 05:52 jordan4ibanez You can, no one has thought of it though 05:52 VanessaE jeija and I discussed this when building his slimes mob. 05:52 jordan4ibanez I've been saying it till i have been bleu in the face 05:52 jordan4ibanez The server will keep all the entities together, because it will move them all on 1 step 05:53 VanessaE I wanted a cube inside a cube, with the outer one set to water alpha, he said it's not possible because the server can't be trusted to move the two pieces at exactly the same moments. 05:53 VanessaE (so that it would more closely resemble the original minecraft one) 05:53 telek VanessaE: It should be a burden on the client, not the server. The server should just send them as a series of objects attached to each other. 05:54 jordan4ibanez They can, the server works in ticks, i don't feel like talking about this in depth because it is 1200 hours, but the server can do it 05:54 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: ok, if the server can do it - then prove it :-) 05:54 jordan4ibanez Okay, brb 05:54 VanessaE telek: to a degree yeah the client has to be responsible, but the server still has to execute the movement/positioning code and end the updates to the client. 05:55 VanessaE so both ends would need patches. 05:55 VanessaE s/end/send/ 05:55 marktraceur VanessaE: Both sends? 05:55 VanessaE marktraceur: apply that to the previous statement instead :-) 05:55 marktraceur VanessaE: s/and end/and send/ 05:56 VanessaE nonono 05:56 VanessaE I didn't supply a /g, so only the first "end" will be caught,. 05:56 telek If the children are simply offset against the central object, rather than having absolute positions themselves, it becomes a non-issue. Client goes 'oh, parent object is at xyz, children should be at xyz+/-(offset)' 05:57 VanessaE telek: right. it's just that the server and client don't currently have a concept of "parent" and "child" entities. 05:57 VanessaE afaik it's just one exists or it doesn't. 05:58 telek Yeah, then you'd have to kludge it which would mean setting the child nodes in whatever script handles the parent node's movement, so it'd be guaranteed to be finished before the end of the tick. 05:58 VanessaE hm, yeah that might work. 05:59 telek Depends on how objects are handled in the scripting engine and if doing that would have adverse effects elsewhere (I know the overall concepts, just not the particulars to implement them.) 06:01 Dogzilla131 how to you add sound to the game 06:01 VanessaE Dogzilla131: install OpenAL. 06:02 VanessaE the game already has sound. 06:06 Dogzilla131 can somebody give me a site where it shows me how to make a mod 06:06 VanessaE Dogzilla131: you have to learn Lua first. 06:06 VanessaE read other peoples' code 06:06 Dogzilla131 ok then for that 06:07 VanessaE download a simple mod from the forums, anything that just adds a few nodes will do. 06:07 VanessaE go google for info on learning Lua, use that information to make changes to the mod you downloaded to make something new 06:07 VanessaE also, you need the minetest API 06:07 VanessaE https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt 06:08 VanessaE this tells how to interface your Lua code to the minetest engine to actually make stuff happen 06:08 celeron55 < marktraceur> celeron55: Are you interested in putting up more information for new contributors, or has your get-off-my-lawn mentality stuck around? :) 06:08 celeron55 ^ what do you even mean by that? 06:08 VanessaE lol 06:09 marktraceur celeron55: We were chatting about how the engine doesn't have a lot of docs for new contributors, it would be helpful to have some 06:09 mrtux night 06:09 VanessaE night mrtux 06:13 celeron55 marktraceur: i wonder how many interested people have even found the stuff that does exist 06:14 celeron55 more specifically, this http://minetest.net/wiki/doku.php?id=code:inner_workings_of_minetest 06:14 marktraceur celeron55: However many, it's good to A) have it better positioned so it's easier to find and B) have more so people can do more 06:15 jordan4ibanez Hi celeron55 06:17 marktraceur celeron55: It might be good to consolidate the dev-wiki with the user-wiki....not much reason in my opinion to have them so separate. You could use a different namespace for developer docs if you wanted. 06:17 marktraceur (e.g. https://mediawiki.org uses Manual: for developer stuff and Help: for user stuff) 06:19 OldCoder celeron55, Good morning 06:19 OldCoder ^ what do you even mean by that? 06:19 OldCoder It is a U.S. metaphor 06:20 OldCoder Referring to old people 06:20 OldCoder Who do not like noise and confusion 06:20 marktraceur OldCoder: I actually meant it to refer to sometimes grumpy people :) 06:20 OldCoder And? 06:20 OldCoder That is the metaphor 06:20 OldCoder Oh 06:20 OldCoder Young grumpy people too 06:20 OldCoder I C 06:20 marktraceur *nod* 06:20 OldCoder It comes from the metaphor though 06:21 OldCoder Hmm 06:21 OldCoder Idiom not metaphor 06:21 OldCoder <--- fading 06:21 * VanessaE quickly turns up OldCoder's saturation control and turns the alpha down a tad 06:22 OldCoder Heh 06:22 OldCoder Alpha Ralpha Blvd 06:23 OldCoder Good night 06:23 OldCoder Thanksgiving was a sight 06:24 jordan4ibanez Holy shit 06:24 OldCoder Backups done and U.S. worlds up again BTW 06:24 OldCoder Hmm? 06:24 jordan4ibanez I'm actually starting to create what i said 06:24 OldCoder Who would imagine such a thing 06:24 OldCoder Zzz 06:24 OldCoder <--- snoring 06:25 OldCoder away Zzz 06:25 ruskie OldCoder, if I had a VPS(or funds for one) I would certainly volunteer it but sadly I haven't even gotten a VPS for my own needs(but then the box under my desk works reliabily enough) 06:25 celeron55 there is a huge amount of things that i could be doing for the minetest webspace, but i can't allocate the time for it as a hobby, and even if i'd get paid i couldn't get free time from the work i do until summer 06:28 jordan4ibanez Okay here's what i have so far http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=6vJDS0Jm 06:28 jordan4ibanez Basically each "mob" would be assigned their own ID and then an anchor would output it's position for that ID and the other ballast entities would follow suit 06:29 jordan4ibanez Not even close to being done btw, so it looks very gritty 06:37 jordan4ibanez Ping 06:37 VanessaE pong/ 06:37 jordan4ibanez lolwut 06:38 VanessaE [11-23 01:37] Ping 06:38 VanessaE [11-23 01:37] * jordan4ibanez has quit (Quit: Page closed) 06:38 VanessaE [11-23 01:37] * jordan4ibanez (4a61194e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.97.25.78) has joined #minetest 06:38 VanessaE [11-23 01:37] pong/ 06:38 jordan4ibanez Vanessae: I have created the ability for 2 entities to be linked 06:39 VanessaE how? with an engine tweak? 06:39 VanessaE how are you gonna force the engine and client to update the linked entities at precisely the same moment? 06:39 jordan4ibanez Very simple 06:40 jordan4ibanez ID dependant 06:41 jordan4ibanez http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=AP8rAn6T 06:41 jordan4ibanez Try it and eat your words 06:42 jordan4ibanez 8 ) 06:42 jordan4ibanez 8 :) 06:42 jordan4ibanez Lol, messed it up 06:42 VanessaE show me a video of it in action. 06:43 * telek needs to take a couple weeks and get up to speed with html5. 06:44 jordan4ibanez http://youtu.be/20bWt7l91LQ 06:44 jordan4ibanez BOOYA 06:45 VanessaE ok, I stand corrected. 06:45 jordan4ibanez 3d mobs are now possible 06:45 VanessaE that's actually not bad at all. 06:46 telek Balloons jordan? 06:46 jordan4ibanez Basic, multi-entity balloon mobs 06:47 telek You need to make those with a chain, rope, or vine hanging off them and make them climbable :D 06:47 jordan4ibanez Here is final code http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UNz03eXV 06:47 telek I'm on top of the world :D 06:48 jordan4ibanez the entity id is assigned to the base, which is assigned to the ballist, when all external entities are id'd to the anchor's id, the id goes up +1 06:48 jordan4ibanez I g2g very very tires 06:48 jordan4ibanez tired* 06:49 telek I'd be tired too after spending however long on that :D 06:49 Dogzilla131 can somebody give me a website with a code like a vombie or enderfreak 06:50 telek dogzilla131: vombie.lua in the animals_mod? 06:52 VanessaE time to hit the sheets. night all. 06:52 VanessaE (not that I'll sleep, but it's worth a try) 06:56 * telek waves! 06:56 telek Have a good night Vanessa! 07:16 marktraceur celeron55: I could try to help organize a documentation sprint somehow, if you think you might be able to drop in and answer sporadic questions for an hour or two (multitasking probably would be OK) 08:06 jin_xi fuck that part msg 08:14 jin_xi hey nyuszika7h your part msg is all i ever see of you, and its really long 08:14 nyuszika7h hi 08:15 nyuszika7h it was a quit message actually, and it's 2 lines if your window is big enough 08:15 jin_xi ok, then my window is too small ;) 08:16 * ruskie has quit messages not show in his irc client... nicer that way 08:17 jin_xi yes, i really should try and start to configure irssi a bit 08:23 nyuszika7h lol 08:31 ruskie you can just modify /format quit and /format quit_once 08:31 ruskie to not have the reason in there 09:08 celeron55 marktraceur: most likely yes 10:15 Calinou http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3837 10:15 Calinou :) 10:15 Calinou has been tested 10:21 Calinou http://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/0.4.x_changelog.txt < updated my personal changelog 10:26 kotolegokot hi all 11:18 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 11:43 jin_xi hi Adam 12:42 TheRedMood Hello 12:43 TheRedMood Long time no see :) 12:43 TheRedMood VanessaE: Long time no see, mrs. 12:55 TheRedMood Hello neko :) 12:56 NekoGloop Maybe if the rules were in the channel topic? 13:57 OldCoder Good morning 13:58 OldCoder Which rules? Be patient covers a lot 14:19 us_0gb Hello! 14:19 OldCoder us_0gb, Hello back 14:20 KikaRz Hi there :D 14:20 KikaRz good morning 14:20 us_0gb I was told this might be the place to ask about getting changes made to the default plugins? 14:20 redcrab Hi there ... for celeron55 and co. I find out a issue in minetestmapper.py ... I guess I fixed it ... how may I publish it ... (issue with very large map) 14:20 KikaRz *i was telling 14:23 Muadtralk submit a pull request with github? 14:24 redcrab .... Currently generating a map of 8640 x 8640 map .. generation in progress view-able at http://minetestbb.suret.net/w01.html ... (current redcrab 30401 world) 14:25 redcrab pull request on github ... done with "git" command ? 14:25 us_0gb I've been having problems with a firebug using lava to burn down people's houses. I read the fire plugin's API and built a nice solution, but when I tried it, I realized the API was hidden in a local variable, so my solution didn't work. I wrote up a solution that doesn't require access to the API, but it doesn't work nearly as well. Is there any chance of getting that variable switched to global? All it would take is removing the wor 14:25 us_0gb d "local", and everything would be great. 14:30 Muadtralk https://help.github.com/articles/using-pull-requests 14:30 Muadtralk maybe this would help? 14:30 us_0gb Probably. Thanks! 14:31 Muadtralk wait....? 14:31 us_0gb What is it? 14:32 Muadtralk I was trying to help redcrab publish his fix to minetestmapper 14:32 PilzAdam us_0gb, what variable are you talking about? 14:32 us_0gb Oh, well, I think your link will help me to. 14:32 us_0gb *too 14:32 KikaRz Muadtralk :D 14:32 KikaRz hi :) 14:32 Muadtralk ello KikaRz 14:32 KikaRz How are you ? :) 14:33 us_0gb The variable is called "fire", and the whole internal API of the plugin is in it. 14:33 us_0gb Nothing is exposed at all. 14:33 PilzAdam do you only want to override functions? 14:34 us_0gb Right. I need to override one function, to perform an additional check before removing nodes. 14:35 PilzAdam IMO fire.D and fire.sounds should stay hidden 14:35 PilzAdam functions can be global 14:36 us_0gb As long as I don't get stuck with the fire-sound--loop I'm hearing right now, fine. 14:36 us_0gb My messy solution to get around the "local" issue is causeing the fire sound to loop until the server restarts. 14:37 * PilzAdam starts coding 14:38 us_0gb I have a perfectly functional solution, as long as the fire API gets exposed. 14:38 us_0gb I tried it by removing the word "local" from my (no pun intended) local copy of the file. 14:44 PilzAdam us_0gb, what function(s) do you want to override? 14:45 us_0gb Let me check. I think I just commented out the solution that needed the API, so it should still be there. 14:47 us_0gb I believe it is fire.flame_should_extinguish(). That alone should be enough. 14:48 KikaRz Hi there 14:48 us_0gb Hello! 14:50 PilzAdam us_0gb, is this ok for you? https://gist.github.com/4135966 14:55 us_0gb Sorry, I'm having trouble reading what the changes are. The purple writing is cryptic to me. I'll download it, and see if it looks like regular Lua. 14:56 PilzAdam wait, i push it to my repo 14:57 PilzAdam https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/tree/fire 14:57 PilzAdam redcrab, nice avatar image on GitHub :-) 14:59 us_0gb Yeah, that looks perfect! Thanks! 15:08 PilzAdam can anybody make animated fire in the default style? (16px, 8-16 frames) 15:08 Muadtralk hmmm 15:08 Muadtralk 8 frames i can do 15:08 us_0gb That would be nice. But I can't draw worth beans. 15:09 Muadtralk looking like default fire 15:09 Muadtralk sure! 15:09 PilzAdam animation lenght will be something like 0.5s and drawtype plantlike 15:16 redcrab ok ... I ve made the pull request ... but don't know if it is correctly done 15:16 PilzAdam looks ok 15:17 Muadtralk did it! 15:17 Muadtralk looks awesome 15:17 Muadtralk well ingame atleast it feels kinda like fire 15:19 redcrab I ve may be did a mistake ... vocabulary : I said "block" for the 16x16x16 "cubes" ... I don't know but i guess that "block" should be "chunk" and "cubes" be "nodes" ... What is wrong 15:19 babyface1031 hi Penguin 15:19 Penguin hi is server back 15:19 Penguin :) 15:19 Penguin ???? 15:19 babyface1031 yes 15:20 PilzAdam block is correct for 16x16x16 nodes 15:20 Muadtralk http://ompldr.org/vZ2Y4NQ/fire_basic_flame_animated.png 15:20 PilzAdam mapblock is also possible 15:20 PilzAdam but not "chunk"; thats MC 15:20 Penguin Fuck Yea what has changed ? 15:20 babyface1031 i will be on in a bit i found a friend i am talking to on his server right now but i will be there 15:20 babyface1031 it went back to the 17th when it was backed up i have to help you remove that machine 15:20 Penguin I am not on cleaning house for my gf 15:21 Penguin oh k 15:21 Muadtralk is this okay pilzadam? 15:21 babyface1031 ok 15:22 PilzAdam Muadtralk, nice! 15:22 PilzAdam License? 15:23 Muadtralk cc-by usually 15:23 Muadtralk but i can license it under anything you wish 15:27 PilzAdam https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/7c6b552cc647ce251033488d62563ab69ce08ed7 15:37 OldCoder babyface1031, Hello 15:37 babyface1031 hi OldCoder 15:38 OldCoder ruskie, I've made tentative arrangements for a replacement Europe server in Germany 15:49 OldCoder Jordach, Hi 15:49 Jordach hello OldCoder 15:56 KikaRz Hi OldCoder 15:56 KikaRz Hi Dogzilla 15:56 KikaRz hi iqualfragile 15:56 OldCoder KikaRz, Hello 15:56 OldCoder anunakki, speal 15:56 OldCoder anunakki, speak * 15:57 anunakki hello 15:57 anunakki sure 15:57 OldCoder anunakki, Can you assist? 15:57 OldCoder anunakki, PM please 15:57 anunakki ok 15:59 OldCoder anunakki, I have PMd you 16:04 RealBadAngel hellou Minetest 16:04 RealBadAngel wassup? 16:04 PilzAdam sup RBA 16:04 RealBadAngel weekend 16:05 PilzAdam yay! 16:05 PilzAdam a texture-weekend? 16:05 RealBadAngel just got back from work and some shopping after it 16:05 RealBadAngel lol 16:05 RealBadAngel i will make them this weekend 16:06 RealBadAngel sorry last days i had barely some time to be at the computer 16:06 OldCoder RealBadAngel, Hi! 16:07 RealBadAngel look i today, 4 am woke up, 5am off, 5pm back 16:07 OldCoder RealBadAngel, Europe server may be back shortly. And there may be a new one soon. 16:07 RealBadAngel too tired to even write corect ;) 16:07 RealBadAngel OldCoder, superb 16:07 Jordach ITZ A GERMAHN SERRVERR 16:08 Jordach (me likes changing voices) 16:08 RealBadAngel jawohl! 16:08 OldCoder Indeed 16:09 RealBadAngel == genau 16:09 PilzAdam So, wir reden ab jetzt Deutsch? 16:09 RealBadAngel warum nicht? 16:10 PilzAdam 80& der Community sind sowiso Deutsch und verestehen das hier 16:10 PilzAdam *80% 16:11 * Jordach is making a Mr. Monopoly skin 16:11 RealBadAngel bist du sicher? 80%? 16:11 RealBadAngel ick glaub das nicht 16:11 PilzAdam Kommt mir manchmal so vor 16:11 Shadow_crazy wath create server? 16:11 redcrab ????? 16:12 Shadow_crazy como cria server 16:12 redcrab ???? 16:12 RealBadAngel aber deustch bitte... 16:13 Shadow_crazy wath creat server minetest 0.4.3 16:13 Jordach redcrab - we have german speaking right now 16:14 RealBadAngel just kidding, PilzAdam i started to make my own version of inventory 16:15 RealBadAngel its gonna be a replace for single/creative, and is compilation of 5 mods + additions 16:16 RealBadAngel 3/4 of work is done by now 16:16 PilzAdam Lua only? 16:16 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/inv.png 16:16 RealBadAngel yup 16:17 * Jordach spots MC in the terminal sessiob 16:17 Jordach *n 16:17 RealBadAngel hmm hi hmmm 16:17 RealBadAngel Jordach, to have debug output 16:18 RealBadAngel Taoki, are you there? 16:23 Dogzilla131 can somebody help me define a dexture 16:23 Dogzilla131 *texture 16:24 PilzAdam tiles = {"your_texture_name.png"}, 16:28 RealBadAngel do we have master volume control or not? 16:28 PilzAdam https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L126 16:29 OldCoder Europe VPS returning in a few minutes 16:29 ruskie yay 16:29 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, but this is for all of the sounds? 16:30 PilzAdam yes 16:30 RealBadAngel no matter music, farting etc... 16:30 PilzAdam yea 16:31 RealBadAngel shall i duplicate play sound and add play music to get (and introduce) two volumes? 16:31 OldCoder artur99, Hi 16:31 PilzAdam RealBadAngel, no 16:32 artur99 hi 16:32 anunakki hello artur99 16:32 artur99 why europe server isnt working? 16:33 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, to mute music and have sounds? 16:33 PilzAdam or maybe its a good idea 16:33 PilzAdam maybe: master, music, other 16:34 RealBadAngel having ambiance mod make music player well not workin good 16:34 RealBadAngel channels shall be introduced i think 16:35 RealBadAngel #env, #default_music, #ext_music 16:35 RealBadAngel or somethin this way 16:35 PilzAdam do not split music 16:35 PilzAdam mods can define their own music setting 16:35 RealBadAngel yup 16:35 PilzAdam just default music 16:35 RealBadAngel so thats why 2nd music channel 16:36 RealBadAngel ambience can be 1st 16:36 RealBadAngel 2nd addons 16:36 artur99 music player mod is a new mod? 16:36 RealBadAngel old as hell 16:37 artur99 and dose it have erors? 16:37 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AILyujYsCnU&feature=plcp 16:37 RealBadAngel 3 months ago 16:37 artur99 aaa 16:37 RealBadAngel none im aware of 16:37 artur99 and now is working? 16:38 RealBadAngel of course 16:38 RealBadAngel just put music files in technic /media directory 16:38 artur99 and why the europe server isnt workin 16:38 anunakki OldCoder and I are working on the europe server right now, i'm not sure what the status is 100% but he should know 16:38 artur99 g? 16:38 artur99 aaa 16:38 RealBadAngel because we are using ambiance mod 16:39 RealBadAngel and theres no way to mute one and listen to another 16:39 artur99 and when will u and oldcoder finish working there? 16:41 OldCoder A few minutes 16:41 OldCoder artur99, there may be a problem related to Romania 16:42 OldCoder We may need to discuss this in the future 16:42 OldCoder ruskie says the server slows down when you connect 16:42 OldCoder A network issue of some time 16:42 artur99 aaa, and on this problem are u working... 16:42 OldCoder * some type 16:42 OldCoder No; on repairing the world after a crash 16:42 OldCoder ruskie, are you here? 16:42 artur99 me? 16:43 artur99 i think the server slows because there are more players on it 16:43 OldCoder artur99, We will test 16:43 OldCoder artur99, I will also make another Europe server 16:44 artur99 when? 16:44 OldCoder Possibly in December 16:44 artur99 aaa 16:45 artur99 now is europe server disponible? 16:45 OldCoder Hmm? 16:45 OldCoder That is not a word 16:45 artur99 realy? 16:45 artur99 *accesible 16:45 Jordach dispensible == dispinsible 16:45 OldCoder Disponible 16:45 OldCoder No 16:45 OldCoder But we may need to move it 16:46 OldCoder artur99, ruskie, Jordach: 16:46 Jordach hm? 16:46 OldCoder I need people to look for patterns of timeouts 16:46 Jordach mhm 16:46 * Jordach is getting an iPad 16:46 Jordach (i wont be here much more for one week) 16:46 OldCoder k 16:46 artur99 can i try to connect? 16:46 OldCoder Soon 16:46 Jordach OldCoder - i'll start using a web irc client for a while 16:46 OldCoder Everything is in order 16:46 OldCoder Jordach, k 16:46 Jordach (until i can get to my tower again) 16:46 artur99 ok 16:48 ruskie I'm here 16:49 artur99 can i play on a lan connection? 16:49 Jordach yes 16:50 artur99 how? 16:51 OldCoder 16:51 OldCoder Attention: Europe VPS is up again for now. We regret any inconvenience. 16:51 OldCoder Report patterns of network timeouts 16:51 OldCoder See if they happen when many people come; or if they are tied to a particular county 16:51 OldCoder *country 16:51 OldCoder A new Europe VPS may arrive in the future 16:51 OldCoder Have fun! 16:51 OldCoder 16:52 artur99 oldcoder, can u test now if the server is lower when i connect? 16:52 OldCoder No... I think ruskie needs to and he is AFK. We will need to look for patterns over time. 16:52 OldCoder For now, go play and see what happens for you 16:53 artur99 what is afk? 16:53 artur99 :D 16:53 ruskie I'm on 16:54 ruskie no issue so far 16:55 ruskie and I have lag 16:55 ruskie seems to happen and go away 16:56 ruskie and now ok 16:56 OldCoder artur99, AFK means Away From keyboard 16:56 OldCoder artur99, ruskie: When anunakki returns... 16:56 artur99 aaa 16:56 OldCoder say hello and thank you 16:56 OldCoder It is his server 16:57 OldCoder Don't jump to conclusions about lag. I will build new code in December and we will see. 16:57 OldCoder anunakki, welcome back 16:57 OldCoder People are enjoying the world again 16:57 anunakki perfect 16:57 ruskie thanks 16:57 anunakki glad we could get that out of the way 16:58 ruskie hmm still laggy 16:58 ruskie I craft a ton of torches... and watch getting 4 every few seconds instead of each click 17:04 ruskie well crafting seems to lag and some loading of areas but so far seems ok... will report if anything else happens odd 17:08 rubenwardy hi all 17:09 ecube hey 17:10 ruskie OldCoder, can you check if anything weird is happening 17:10 ruskie OldCoder, I've been laying down blocks and I still have the same amount of them in my inventory 17:11 KikaRz O_O' 17:11 rubenwardy thexyz: you can close http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=52991 now 17:11 KikaRz Going to change XChat Theme 17:12 ruskie OldCoder, artur's brother joined... I've now tried a exit to OS and my game is stuck on shuting down stuff 17:12 KikaRz Ctrl + C 17:12 KikaRz In the console 17:13 ruskie no shit sherlock... trying to figure out what's actually causing it 17:14 * RealBadAngel is havin pizza time 17:15 Calinou "You can merge this Pull Request by running: git pull https://github.com/redcrab/minetest master" 17:15 Calinou github emails 17:15 Calinou y u think i have write access 17:15 KikaRz back 17:15 Calinou wb 17:15 RealBadAngel you, who? 17:15 RealBadAngel hi calinou 17:16 KikaRz so 17:16 KikaRz what are you doing guys? 17:17 Calinou nothing right now 17:17 RealBadAngel we are not doing guys 17:17 M13_ KikaRz did you want to play on my server? 17:17 KikaRz depends. 17:17 Renoki Hey guys, heard a lot about Minetest on 4chan, about to try it out now. 17:17 KikaRz im good at building 17:18 RealBadAngel im havin a pizza 17:18 KikaRz Renoki 17:18 KikaRz Enter on the Website and start playing :) 17:18 Calinou openarena now :) 17:18 KikaRz http://minetest.net 17:18 Calinou (server is normal CTF for stupids) 17:18 Calinou no insult, it's the name of the server :P 17:18 M13_ you can come KikaRz its creative 17:18 KikaRz what a fucking good name. 17:18 KikaRz M13 17:18 KikaRz IP. 17:19 KikaRz I got many original ideas :) 17:19 Renoki do all servers run on the latest? 17:19 OldCoder M13_, Hi 17:19 Renoki 0.4.3, right? 17:19 OldCoder Renoki, no 17:19 ruskie OldCoder, hmm now I can't connect at all 17:19 KikaRz Downloading OpenArena 17:19 OldCoder ruskie, That is interesting 17:19 M13_ IP : m13.servegame.com Port : 30001 17:19 KikaRz Yes Renoki. 17:19 OldCoder ruskie, But is it Romania? Or something else 17:19 KikaRz M13_ 17:19 OldCoder ruskie, If they disconnect will you work? 17:19 KikaRz let me just download OpenArena 17:20 OldCoder 18:20:03: VERBOSE[Connection]: con(4/1): RE-SENDING timed-out RELIABLE to 213.233.92.96:65302(t/o=3): from_peer_id=1, channel=0, seqnum=3753 17:20 Renoki uh.. 17:20 * RealBadAngel is in the mood for some headshots 17:20 OldCoder I am getting those again 17:20 ruskie OldCoder, well when I was on artur99 joined and was able to play... then his brother joined and I could plaoce stuff but my inventory didn't get updated 17:20 KikaRz M13_, im going soon OK? 17:20 OldCoder M13_, PM today 17:20 M13_ ok ill be on 17:20 Renoki oh derp, it's in /bin 17:21 OldCoder ruskie, let's see if it works if they leave 17:21 OldCoder ruskie, I can turn Romania off and on but not today; I need to work IRL now for a while 17:21 ruskie not a prob 17:21 OldCoder 18:21:32: VERBOSE[Connection]: con(4/1): RE-SENDING timed-out RELIABLE to 84.20.228.4:39180(t/o=0.73657): from_peer_id=1, channel=0, seqnum=2 17:21 OldCoder 18:21:33: VERBOSE[Connection]: con(4/1): RE-SENDING timed-out RELIABLE to 84.20.228.4:39180(t/o=0.957542): from_peer_id=1, channel=0, seqnum=2 17:21 OldCoder Hmm 17:21 OldCoder Now I see those. Is 84.20.228.4 you? 17:21 ruskie yup 17:21 ruskie I disconnecet 17:21 RealBadAngel Oldcoder, you want to disable Taoki for example? 17:21 ruskie but got hung during disconnect 17:22 OldCoder RealBadAngel, explain 17:22 OldCoder Here is a test 17:22 RealBadAngel shes from Romania 17:22 OldCoder Is she on? 17:22 Renoki holy crap 17:22 OldCoder ? 17:22 RealBadAngel no 17:22 Renoki this game is smooooooooth compared to Minecraft 17:22 OldCoder Renoki, except for network timeouts 17:22 KikaRz ... 17:22 KikaRz Renoki, it's a clone. 17:23 Doc22 hello peoplez 17:23 ruskie RealBadAngel, can you connect to europe? 17:23 OldCoder ruskie, RealBadAngel no point in disconnecting Taoki 17:23 OldCoder Doc22, hi 17:23 Doc22 hey oc 17:23 OldCoder ruskie, RealBadAngel I will restart Europe now 17:23 Calinou Downloading OpenArena 17:23 Calinou cool :D 17:23 Calinou for those who want it btw, website is openarena.ws 17:23 OldCoder Allow a few minutes 17:23 OldCoder I will be here now all day but can't work here much; I am researching MySQL IRL 17:24 OldCoder Whoa! 17:24 M13_ what is OpenArena? 17:24 OldCoder ruskie, RealBadAngel I am seeing 107% CPU! 17:24 OldCoder What does *that* mean? 17:25 ruskie is it multicore? 17:25 OldCoder Nope 17:25 OldCoder VPS 17:25 RealBadAngel yore facin a birth of a small cpu? 17:25 OldCoder Hmm 17:25 OldCoder Maybe timeouts are a different issue 17:25 ruskie could possibly be a VPS artifact but sounds like an infinite loop or something 17:26 RealBadAngel or 7% just new born little cute core 17:26 OldCoder Time is 33:37 already 17:26 ruskie maybe it's time to do that leveldb migration? 17:26 OldCoder Yep 17:26 RealBadAngel agree 17:26 OldCoder But can't until next week. I really do need to work. 17:27 OldCoder Somebody is waiting for me right now in Finland 17:27 ruskie then go do work 17:27 OldCoder Soon as we settle the current issue. This is odd. 17:27 OldCoder Ah 17:27 OldCoder there we go 17:27 OldCoder Restarted and CPU back down 17:27 OldCoder Let's see what triggers that! 17:27 ruskie connecting 17:28 ruskie and I'm on 17:28 OdnetninI Hi all 17:28 OldCoder ruskie, RealBadAngel I think it's that we're near the limits of what this VPS can do 17:28 OldCoder OdnetninI, Hi! 17:28 OdnetninI can anyone say me how to solve this: 17:28 OdnetninI http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6829/screenshot776851868.png 17:28 Renoki how often is this game updated? 17:28 OdnetninI the space in cactus 17:28 OdnetninI and error messages 17:29 Renoki also, are the developers trying to make an exact Minecraft clone? 17:29 PilzAdam OdnetninI, the textures for the cactus have transparent pixels at the side; remove them 17:29 PilzAdam Renoki, no 17:29 ruskie OldCoder, well artur, his bro and me are now on 17:29 OldCoder And CPU > 100% 17:29 OdnetninI I want to reduce the size of cactus 17:30 PilzAdam you need to use nodebox for that 17:30 OldCoder ruskie, If problems persist I see migration to another VPS as the main option though we'll try LevelDB 17:30 PilzAdam and even for that you have to remove the transparent pixels 17:31 ruskie yeah I'm locked up again 17:31 ruskie I can place blocks but inventory doesn't do anything 17:31 OdnetninI this? 17:31 OdnetninI { -- A fixed box (facedir param2 is used, if applicable) type = "fixed", fixed = box OR {box1, box2, ...} } 17:31 ruskie I'll wait a bit 17:31 ruskie see if it clears up 17:31 PilzAdam OdnetninI, @errormessages: you call minetestn.env:set_node() with a node that doesnt exist 17:32 PilzAdam OdnetninI, this: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1359 17:32 PilzAdam and drawtype "nodebox" 17:32 ruskie OldCoder, anything in the "top" cpu line? is it waiting for something or something else 17:32 OldCoder Elaborate on waiting 17:33 ruskie (s): 5.6%us, 2.1%sy, 3.2%ni, 88.9%id, 0.1%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st <-- wa is wait time 17:33 ruskie which of those is actually being used 17:33 OdnetninI any form to know who is the node that doesn't exist? 17:33 OldCoder Reviewing 17:33 OldCoder Cpu(s): 27.5%us, 4.3%sy, 0.0%ni, 68.2%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st 17:33 OldCoder Oops 17:33 OldCoder Wrong window 17:33 ruskie heh 17:34 PilzAdam OdnetninI, check your code ;-); you probably misstyped something 17:34 OldCoder Cpu(s): 46.5%us, 13.8%sy, 0.0%ni, 39.4%id, 0.4%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st 17:34 OldCoder ruskie, ^ 17:34 OdnetninI mmm 17:34 ruskie odd 17:34 ruskie that seems mostly normal 17:35 ruskie a high wait time could signify an I/O issue or something 17:35 ruskie but this looks just "it's working" 17:35 ruskie RealBadAngel, can you connect to europe atm? 17:38 KikaRz people 17:38 KikaRz why in one server 17:38 KikaRz im frozen in node definition? 17:38 OldCoder What server 17:38 KikaRz m13 17:38 RealBadAngel i cant 17:38 KikaRz not uour 17:38 KikaRz *your 17:38 KikaRz '-' 17:38 RealBadAngel is down 17:39 Jordach KikaRz - when in doubt - keep calm and sloooowwwww down 17:39 OdnetninI node_box = {3.5, 3.5, 3.5, 3.5, 3.5, 3.5}, 17:39 OdnetninI it doesn't work 17:41 OdnetninI any help? 17:41 PilzAdam {-0.5,-0.5,-0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5} is the default size 17:42 KikaRz LOL 17:42 PilzAdam also you node is 0 dimensional 17:42 PilzAdam *your 17:44 OdnetninI -- Cactus minetest.register_node("default:cactus", { description = "Cactus", tiles = {"default_cactus_top.png", "default_cactus_top.png", "default_cactus_side.png"}, is_ground_content = true, node_box = {-0.0,-0.0,-0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0}, groups = {snappy=2,choppy=3,flammable=2}, sounds = default.node_sound_wood_defaults(), }) 17:44 OdnetninI I tryes many sizes 17:44 OdnetninI but nothing 17:44 Kacey hello 17:44 KikaRz Welcome Kacey :) 17:45 Kacey i am working on a new mod 17:45 KikaRz Kacey 17:45 PilzAdam OdnetninI, you should read a bit to understand how nodeboxes work 17:45 KikaRz do not work into 10 mods at the same time 17:45 KikaRz just in 1 17:45 KikaRz it ll give you more time to do 17:45 Kacey i am only working on one right now 17:55 OdnetninI I got the size, but i have black nodes 17:56 PilzAdam paramtype = "light", 17:57 OdnetninI Same 17:57 RealBadAngel rba.groups={bed=1} 17:57 RealBadAngel cya 17:58 hmmmm Everybody's partyin' partyin' 17:58 hmmmm YEAH! 17:58 hmmmm partyin' partyin' YEAH! 17:58 hmmmm fun, fun, fun, fun having fun on the weekend 17:58 OdnetninI PilzAdam, the same result 17:58 PilzAdam no 17:58 RBA_bedtime stop stomping :P trying to get some sleep :P 17:58 hmmmm it's Rebecca Black Friday everyone 17:59 artur99 now europe server isnt working on my computer 17:59 OdnetninI no? 18:00 artur99 no 18:00 OldCoder Is it working for others? 18:00 OdnetninI no what? 18:00 OldCoder 19:00:28: VERBOSE[Connection]: con(4/1): RE-SENDING timed-out RELIABLE to 213.233.92.96:19352(t/o=3): from_peer_id=1, channel=0, seqnum=65508 18:00 OldCoder 19:00:29: VERBOSE[Connection]: con(4/1): RE-SENDING timed-out RELIABLE to 213.233.92.96:19352(t/o=3): from_peer_id=1, channel=0, seqnum=65507 18:00 OldCoder I see those timeouts 18:00 OldCoder It is network issue again 18:01 artur99 on my pc? 18:01 artur99 what should i do? 18:01 ruskie OldCoder, no 18:01 OldCoder ruskie, You are not able to connect? 18:01 ruskie no 18:02 ruskie OldCoder, see some 30 minutes ago in the chat log here 18:02 OldCoder CPU is at 100% 18:02 OldCoder Reviewing 18:02 OdnetninI ok, now i solve it 18:02 ruskie ups 18:02 OldCoder ruskie, I saw that 18:02 OldCoder Not clear on point 18:02 OldCoder CPU is at 125% now 18:02 OldCoder Hmm! 18:02 OldCoder TIME is at 45:03.80 18:03 OldCoder That can't be right 18:03 OldCoder What is it doing? 18:03 ruskie maybe attach strace to it? 18:03 OldCoder Cpu(s): 48.1%us, 8.8%sy, 0.0%ni, 43.1%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st 18:03 OldCoder Yes 18:03 OldCoder But can't do that today 18:04 OldCoder Theory... 18:04 OldCoder We are slipping into an odd High CPU state 18:04 OldCoder PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 18:04 OldCoder 3494 root 20 0 160m 50m 3736 S 142 10.3 46:59.83 minetestserver 18:04 artur99 so i cant play anymore today? 18:04 OldCoder Thoughts on those two lines? 18:04 OldCoder artur99, wait 18:04 artur99 ok 18:04 OldCoder Am I right? Is the 46:59 very odd? 18:05 OldCoder Really bizarre CPU usage 18:05 OldCoder Could this be a VPS glitch? 18:05 Calinou your VPS has several threads then 18:05 OldCoder Probably 18:05 Calinou you can have one physical CPU and several "threads" (as in virtual cores) 18:05 OldCoder artur99, could you stay off for a while? 18:05 Calinou my netbook has one physical CPU, two threads, iirc 18:06 Calinou hyperthreading 18:06 Calinou and my desktop too :P 18:06 OldCoder I'd like ruskie to try when you're not there 18:06 OldCoder yes 18:06 artur99 ofcorse 18:06 OldCoder One theory 18:06 OldCoder Is that network is failing and then looping somehow 18:06 OldCoder ruskie, Restarting again 18:07 OldCoder ruskie, If you are here connect now for a while 18:07 ruskie connecting 18:07 OldCoder artur99, end the game for today 18:07 OldCoder We need to test 18:07 artur99 ok 18:07 OldCoder There will be a new VPS if needed 18:07 OldCoder But I need to find out what is happening 18:08 OldCoder Dogzilla131, wb 18:08 ruskie OldCoder, well I'm on and am able to build... I'll run for a while 18:09 OldCoder Possible network bug 18:09 OldCoder C55 has a patch I need to try 18:11 artur99 now is working :) 18:11 artur99 :D 18:15 OldCoder artur99, we wished you not to connect. This is a test. 18:15 OldCoder ruskie, let me know what happens 18:15 ruskie well so far it's working 18:15 OldCoder Yes 18:15 OldCoder But there are no changes 18:15 OldCoder So it could go at any time 18:15 ruskie both artur and his brother are on 18:15 OldCoder Let me know 18:15 OldCoder Hmm 18:15 OldCoder odd 18:16 artur99 so must i disconnect? 18:17 OldCoder Not yet 18:17 OldCoder See what happens 18:18 artur99 i disconected... should i connect again? 18:18 OldCoder Go ahead 18:18 OldCoder For the moment 18:21 ruskie so far everything seems to be working 18:22 Jordach lolFirewall errors 18:29 Jordach hay NekoGloop 18:30 NekoGloop Jordach: Hello. 18:30 Jordach PMC laggin again 18:30 NekoGloop Wut? 18:31 Jordach planetmc 18:31 NekoGloop Ah. 18:40 Kacey hello 18:41 Kacey did doc leave? 18:44 Kacey wb 18:44 redcrab hi... redcrab's server map generation is expanded now ... from 3000x3000 to 8640x8640 ... viewable at http://minetestbb.suret.net/w01.html ... takes time to download ... 18:44 Jordach oh damn 18:44 Jordach also http://i.imgur.com/XkY1B.png 18:45 Jordach Y U ADD NEW PUN BOT MESSAGE 18:45 Kacey lol 18:45 KikaRz M13 left :( 18:45 Kacey FTW!!!!!! sorry what? 18:46 rubenwardy oh dear: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/ext/help/help.jpeg 18:50 ruskie OldCoder, I think it's happening again 18:50 OldCoder ruskie, Reviewing 18:50 artur99 yes 18:50 artur99 to me too 18:50 OldCoder Yep 18:51 OldCoder CPU at 128% 18:51 OldCoder and... Hold on 18:51 OldCoder 19:49:48: VERBOSE[Connection]: con(4/1): RE-SENDING timed-out RELIABLE to 213.233.92.96:44431(t/o=3): from_peer_id=1, channel=0, seqnum=8 18:51 OldCoder 19:49:49: VERBOSE[Connection]: con(4/1): RE-SENDING timed-out RELIABLE to 213.233.92.96:44431(t/o=3): from_peer_id=1, channel=0, seqnum=7 18:51 OldCoder This again 18:51 KikaRz who is M13_ friend? 18:51 OldCoder artur99, would you mind leaving for the day? 18:51 Calinou madchicken13 18:51 OldCoder Also known as Ubuntu Nerd 18:51 KikaRz yep 18:51 KikaRz i know 18:51 KikaRz ubuntu nerd = m13 owner. 18:52 KikaRz he was offering me a server *-* 18:52 OldCoder Not exactly 18:52 ruskie OldCoder, interesting... I got the message that the server is shutting down 18:52 OldCoder ruskie, I restarted 18:52 OldCoder Next step 18:52 OldCoder is for artur99 to stay off 18:52 OldCoder I wish to see if Romania timeouts are doing this 18:52 artur99 im here 18:53 OldCoder artur99, stay off the server for now please 18:53 artur99 so should i close the game for now? 18:53 OldCoder This is an experiment 18:53 artur99 ok 18:53 OldCoder Yes please 18:53 OldCoder No more today 18:53 artur99 ok 18:53 OldCoder ruskie, ready to try again; proceed 18:53 OldCoder Simply build for an hour 18:53 ruskie will do 18:54 OldCoder iulyus01 is there 18:54 OldCoder artur99, is that your brother? 18:54 OldCoder artur99, can you pull him off? 18:54 artur99 now he is out 18:54 OldCoder He still shows up there 18:54 OldCoder Sign him out please 18:54 OldCoder O.K. 18:55 OldCoder Let us try for an hour without Romania 18:55 artur99 on his computer, the game isnt opened 18:55 Kacey iririririririririririr 18:57 artur99 oldcoder, can i play on lan with my brother? 18:57 Calinou yes 18:57 Calinou run server on brother's computer: go to advanced menu, put no address and port 30000 18:57 Calinou once the server is started, type "ipconfig" in windows' command line on brother computer 18:58 Calinou note the "IPV4 IP" 18:58 Calinou go to your computer, enter that IP, port 30000 18:58 Calinou connect :) 18:58 OldCoder artur99, Sure 18:58 artur99 thanks 18:58 Kacey uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh freaking errors 19:01 artur99 calinou, where is the windows command line? 19:02 NekoGloop artur99: run cmd.exe 19:02 Kacey type in cmd in the run menu 19:02 NekoGloop You fool. 19:02 artur99 aaa 19:02 Kacey who wants to help make a nuclear disaster map? 19:03 artur99 tahnks, is working 19:04 KikaRz hey 19:04 KikaRz whats jungle wood planks code? 19:04 KikaRz need that for worldedit 19:05 Kacey Calinou created the mod for that 19:05 OdnetninI PilzAdam, in your farming mod, rarity-p, what is it? 19:06 OdnetninI in hoes.lua 19:08 PilzAdam every seed has a rarity (rarity) and every hoe has a different probability to get seeds (p) 19:08 OdnetninI ok 19:08 OdnetninI thanks 19:09 OdnetninI who was making a new mapgen? 19:09 PilzAdam hmmmm 19:09 hmmmm me 19:09 OdnetninI how do you go? 19:10 hmmmm i'm still working on it 19:10 hmmmm just been busy 19:10 hmmmm i just need to debug it a little, but the code is all done 19:10 OdnetninI ok 19:11 OdnetninI when do you need a tester, i'm here 19:11 hmmmm sure 19:12 hmmmm agrh okay, back 19:15 KikaRz m13 offline 19:15 KikaRz omg 19:16 OldCoder omg? 19:17 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/7xNV9.png 19:18 KikaRz Hate when servers shut down and dont give us any message 19:19 KikaRz Fez = ? 19:19 KikaRz Tassam = ? 19:19 KikaRz *Tassel 19:30 OdnetninI how can i do this: 19:30 OdnetninI inventory_image = "tools/default_tool_stonesword.png", 19:30 OdnetninI it give me an error 19:31 KikaRz m13, please relogin :'( 19:31 KikaRz omg 19:31 KikaRz he's offline 19:31 OldCoder omg? 19:31 KikaRz * [hmmmm] is logged in as hmmmm 19:32 OdnetninI any suggestion to load img in subfolder? 19:34 OdnetninI ? 19:35 OdnetninI anyone? 19:45 artur99 @oldcoder, finish thesting? 19:45 OldCoder ruskie, still there? 19:45 OldCoder artur99, checking 19:45 ruskie yeah I'll log off 19:45 OldCoder ruskie, wait 19:45 OldCoder Not yet 19:45 OldCoder artur99, rejoin now 19:45 OldCoder ruskie, let's see if things break when they come back 19:45 OldCoder artur99, your brother can come too 19:46 artur99 right now 19:47 OldCoder Sure 19:47 OldCoder Play and see if it breaks 19:47 ruskie well already broke for me 19:47 ruskie can't dig 19:47 artur99 ok 19:47 artur99 cut on me still loading 19:48 artur99 *but 19:48 ruskie or could just be mining drill 19:48 artur99 :) 19:48 ruskie hmm nope 19:48 ruskie just dug up a bunch of sand and no update in my inventor 19:48 ruskie y 19:49 OldCoder ruskie, So there is definitely an issue? 19:49 ruskie yeah now I'll stay off and let them be on and see if something happens 19:49 ruskie seems like the server is blocking again 19:50 anunnaki hmm 19:50 anunnaki what exactly is it blocking? 19:50 artur99 i cant connect 19:50 anunnaki i'll have to check 19:50 artur99 connecting to server 19:50 ruskie well I went off now 19:50 ruskie I won't connect for today 19:50 ruskie so that we can see if just artur and his brother on it works fine 19:50 ruskie OldCoder, I think you'll need to restart it 19:51 artur99 on me is connecting to server, but isnt loading... 19:51 OldCoder ruskie, all right 19:51 OldCoder artur99, hold on 19:51 artur99 ok 19:52 OldCoder anunnaki, are you logged in there? 19:52 OldCoder I see somebody in nano 19:53 OldCoder And *nano* is taking half the CPU?! 19:53 ruskie if it's doing syntax highlighting it could 19:53 OldCoder killed it 19:54 ruskie could have checked with 'w' 19:54 ruskie to see who was running it 19:54 OldCoder Not the user 19:54 OldCoder Restarting\ 19:55 artur99 you should harry up with the new server :) 19:55 OldCoder artur99, I have work to do IRL 19:55 OldCoder artur99, you can join now 19:55 OldCoder So can Julius 19:55 artur99 ok 19:55 OldCoder Tell me if it breaks for you 19:56 OldCoder If it breaks, I am sorry; but this means a problem for Romania 19:56 OldCoder In that case you can try the Germany server later on 19:56 artur99 now is loading 19:57 OldCoder k 19:57 artur99 working fine 19:57 artur99 is ok now 19:57 artur99 just 0.5 secondl lately, but working 19:59 ruskie artur99, in case it stops working just report it in here 19:59 KikaRz 3x7r471n6 0p3n 4R3N4 20:00 artur99 ok 20:01 artur99 happens this: 20:02 KikaRz OpenArena IS TOOO MUCH LAGGY 20:02 artur99 when i dig something, that block dispears 20:02 artur99 and than apears 20:02 artur99 and than dispear 20:05 OldCoder artur99, ? 20:05 OldCoder artur99, I don't think Romania will work for this server 20:05 OldCoder Checking the logs now 20:06 artur99 but this happends just 1 of 10 block, but others are working 20:06 OldCoder artur99, try this for now 20:06 OldCoder artur99, Turn on Full Range Viewing 20:06 OldCoder using the R key if it is not already on 20:06 OldCoder Does this help? 20:07 artur99 waiat to try 20:07 OldCoder artur99, Turn on Full Range Viewing 20:07 OldCoder using the R key if it is not already on 20:07 OldCoder Does this help? 20:07 artur99 yes 20:07 artur99 nows working perfect 20:07 OldCoder Hmm 20:08 artur99 or not 20:08 artur99 that bug again 20:09 artur99 dispear. after 0.5 sec apear. after 0.5 sec dispear forever, and apear in interviory 20:09 artur99 but not at all blocks 20:10 OldCoder Checking 20:10 OldCoder Not seeing the problem in logs 20:11 rubenwardy What do you guys think? 20:11 rubenwardy http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/ 20:11 artur99 my brother dosent have this nug... 20:11 artur99 probably i have a low ram... 20:11 artur99 i have windows 7, with 3 gb ram... 20:13 OldCoder 3GB? 20:13 OldCoder artur99, that is a lot of RAM 20:13 artur99 my brother have 6 20:14 OldCoder artur99, that is a lot of RAM! 20:14 artur99 gb 20:14 artur99 yes, but windows 7 is taking 2 gb just for rulling windows 20:15 OldCoder Hmm 20:15 OldCoder Ugh 20:15 OldCoder O.K. Could be an issue 20:15 Jordach rubenwardy forums work alright 20:16 Jordach looks good too 20:16 OldCoder Jordach, I will probably use that theme for my MT site 20:16 OldCoder And may merge parts with rubenwardy 20:16 OldCoder Not sure about running PunBB yet. I'd need admins. 20:18 rubenwardy you do not need to, you can disable the top-right login bit 20:19 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/Minetest-Website/blob/master/README.md#punbb 20:19 Jordach OldCoder - first for mod 20:20 rubenwardy http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53194 20:20 artur99 @oldcoder, my brother is blocked, he cant move 20:22 rubenwardy lol: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=446470425400153&set=a.200542726659592.50788.199098633470668&type=1&theater 20:22 rubenwardy gtg now 20:24 OldCoder artur99, Blocked how? 20:24 OldCoder artur99, Does he need to be teleported? 20:24 artur99 he reconneceted 20:24 OldCoder And? 20:24 artur99 now is connecting 20:25 OldCoder k 20:25 * OldCoder will be away for 10 minutes 20:25 artur99 but, isnt loading 20:25 OldCoder artur99, I am checking 20:25 OldCoder He timed out 20:25 OldCoder artur99, I fear that your Internet is not up to this server 20:25 OldCoder I see the network problem again 20:25 OldCoder 21:24:49: VERBOSE[Connection]: con(4/1): RE-SENDING timed-out RELIABLE to 213.233.92.96:65435(t/o=3): from_peer_id=1, channel=0, seqnum=65524 20:25 OldCoder 20:26 OldCoder I am sorry but I don't think it will work for you two 20:26 OldCoder You can try the Germany server if I set it up 20:26 artur99 our speed is 15 kb/sec for both 20:26 OldCoder Explain to your brother Julius that both of you are welcome; but I am afraid you probably can't play here 20:26 OldCoder 15 kb/sec ? 20:26 OldCoder Is that normal for you? 20:26 artur99 so my is 7kb/sec and he's too 20:27 OldCoder Is that normal for you? 20:27 OldCoder Is this dialup? 20:27 artur99 yyes 20:27 OldCoder !! 20:27 OldCoder artur99, I am sorry 20:27 OldCoder You cannot play Minetest reliably with dialup 20:27 OldCoder You will need to play offline 20:27 Jordach but it shows how bandwidth friendly it is 20:27 OldCoder Yes 20:28 OldCoder It certainly does! 20:28 OldCoder Jordach, I must take a break 20:28 artur99 but in every month on 8 i have 4 gb trafic with big speed 20:28 OldCoder For how long, artur99 ? 20:28 artur99 on 8 in every month i have that trafic 20:28 OldCoder Jordach, I need to take a short break; can you figure out what he is saying? Thank you 20:28 OldCoder Jordach, ^ 20:28 OldCoder 8 what? 20:28 artur99 when i finish it, i have the connection with 15 kb 20:28 Jordach yes, dont need to hl twice 20:29 OldCoder ruskie, problem is that artur99 and julius are dialup! 20:29 artur99 day 8 20:29 OldCoder artur99, you can't use dialup for the server; I am sorry 20:29 artur99 what is dialup? 20:30 artur99 when ill have the big connection(200kb/sec - 8mb/sec) can i pl;ay? 20:31 Jordach yes 20:31 artur99 and that bug is because we have low speed? 20:32 Jordach yes, artur99 andto be fair, i've lived without the internet for 15 years without dialup / broadband 20:32 artur99 im 13, and i have internet 2 years ago >) 20:32 artur99 *:) 20:36 artur99 oh, my f... of s... connection! 20:39 Jordach artur99 - yeah, my school USED TO have dial up, twas horrible loading short clips 20:42 KikaRz Buy a better 20:42 KikaRz internet 20:42 artur99 if i want to see a you tube film(3 minutes) it is loading in 30 minutes 20:42 artur99 there is no beter in my area... 20:43 OldCoder artur99, I am sorry 20:43 OldCoder artur99, I must ask you not to play on the Europe world 20:43 artur99 on 8 day in every month ill play the game 20:43 artur99 ill not play... 20:44 OldCoder artur99, you must avoid dialup days. So must Julius. 20:44 OldCoder If you come on dialup days we must block you. 20:44 OldCoder Sorry. 20:44 artur99 what is to avoid? 20:44 artur99 to upgradE? 20:44 OldCoder Do not come except when Internet is fast 20:44 artur99 ok 20:44 OldCoder If it is a day with dialup do not play or you will harm the other players 20:44 artur99 i must go to bed, bye! 20:44 OldCoder Please explain this to your brother 20:44 OldCoder Good night 20:45 * OldCoder sighs 20:45 OldCoder Heh 20:45 OldCoder It has been an interesting year 20:45 ruskie hmm 20:45 ruskie interesting 20:45 OldCoder ruskie, Let me op you 20:45 OldCoder If they come and this happens you can ban 20:45 OldCoder artur99, wb 20:46 OldCoder ruskie, Do you object to joining RBA as op? 20:46 artur99 so can i play when on the server there is nobody? 20:46 OldCoder No 20:46 OldCoder It will not work 20:46 ruskie OldCoder, I don't mind 20:46 artur99 aaa 20:46 artur99 ok 20:46 OldCoder May damage the world 20:46 OldCoder Sorry! 20:46 OldCoder artur99, You need broadband 20:46 OldCoder But you can play offline 20:46 artur99 ok 20:46 artur99 bye 20:46 OldCoder with your brother using LAN 20:47 OldCoder Bye 20:47 artur99 go to sleep 20:47 OldCoder Yep 20:48 ruskie sorry to hear that the dialup is the problem though 20:49 OldCoder As Jordach said it does show MT is flexible 20:49 OldCoder They nearly work! 20:50 ruskie well they did play for a month with no real problems 20:50 OldCoder Interesting 20:50 Jordach so yes, it DOES WORK on older hardware indeed 20:50 OldCoder See if the problem occurs with other people 20:50 OldCoder Yes 20:50 OldCoder Whereas MC does not 20:50 OldCoder AFAIK 20:50 Jordach 56k modems included 20:50 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xk5RlOkl9A 20:50 ruskie it could be that something change since that hw failure? 20:50 OldCoder Yes 20:50 OldCoder But I don't see enough to tell me 20:51 OldCoder See if performance is usually the same 20:51 OldCoder The software has not been modified as RBA has been busy 20:51 OldCoder So not much should be different 20:53 Jordach hello Muadtralk 20:53 Muadtralk salut 20:54 KikaRz Oi Muad 20:54 KikaRz Muadtralk, can you change second server (building one) to creative mode? 20:54 KikaRz i wanted 20:54 KikaRz :p 20:54 Muadtralk never! 20:54 Muadtralk :P 20:55 Muadtralk creative mode is the bane of my existence 20:55 Muadtralk if it were up to me minetest wouldnt have it 20:55 Muadtralk i dont even use it for testing mods 20:56 KikaRz muad 20:56 Jordach lol 20:56 Muadtralk in fact..... i deleted the creative folder to save space 20:56 Muadtralk so i no longer have it 20:58 Muadtralk it was so worth 4 kb of extra space 20:58 OldCoder Hmm? 21:00 harrison I don't know how to respond. 21:00 OldCoder harrison, are you a bot? 21:00 harrison No. I am a coder. 21:01 OldCoder harrison, Pass the Turing Test. Tell us what you code. 21:01 PilzAdam bye 21:01 harrison Did you see the movie linked just now? 21:01 OldCoder harrison, Pass the Turing Test. Tell us what you code. 21:01 harrison I coded the raytracer that made that movie 21:01 OldCoder All right 21:01 OldCoder Welcome, then, Coder 21:01 harrison of course there was postproduction in cinelerra 21:02 harrison and also i had to use kdenlive for one step because ffmpeg encodes a file from screen capture 21:02 harrison that the latest cinelerra can't open properly 21:03 harrison so i transcode in kdenlive 21:03 Penguin Hey Everyone 21:03 harrison oh , john_minetest, almost nobody understands what i do or say 21:04 harrison did you read aeschylus ever? remember cassandra's curse? 21:04 harrison i have a mild version of it 21:04 KikaRz BACK 21:04 KikaRz OMG 21:05 KikaRz stupid internet cable 21:05 harrison http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra 21:05 harrison When Cassandra of Troy told him she wanted to stay a virgin,[citation needed] Apollo placed a curse on her so that she and all her descendants' predictions would not be believed. 21:05 harrison Cassandra's curse is not a game. I was making a classical reference. 21:06 harrison Since you had no idea what I meant, and I was attempting to describe a condition of inability to make oneself understood, there is a bittersweet selfreferntial flavor to this chat. 21:07 harrison Now do I seem like a bot? 21:07 Penguin Playing slender 21:09 Penguin :) 21:11 OldCoder harrison, I did say Welcome :-) 21:12 OldCoder harrison, And... 21:12 OldCoder harrison, go up against *me* on that type of thing and you may be surprised. I am not precisely standard model either. 21:13 OldCoder It has taken me half a century to get to the point where I am able to have a conversation of this type reliably 21:13 OldCoder 21:14 OldCoder harrison, If harrison is neurologically different he may PM me something to talk if this seems useful or appropriate 21:14 OldCoder 21:14 Muadtralk ? 21:14 Muadtralk oldcoder check that statement 21:14 OldCoder *sometime not something 21:14 OldCoder ^ Is that what you meant? Noticed the typo 21:14 Muadtralk different thing 21:14 OldCoder I don't make them when I'm writing. This is more like speech. 21:14 OldCoder Which statement? 21:15 Muadtralk harrison, If harrison 21:15 OldCoder I know what I said 21:15 OldCoder It was intentional 21:15 Muadtralk capital I? 21:15 OldCoder I know what I said 21:15 OldCoder It was intentional 21:15 Muadtralk with a comma 21:15 OldCoder Yep 21:15 OldCoder Muadtralk, I am working IRL today. Is there anything significant that needs to be discussed? 21:16 Muadtralk nope! 21:16 Muadtralk i was just pointing out some errors 21:17 OldCoder Singular 21:17 OldCoder I noticed one 21:17 OldCoder You reported one that was not an error 21:18 KikaRz Muadtralk 21:18 KikaRz your server is getting laggy everyday 21:19 Muadtralk yep! 21:19 KikaRz and everyday 21:19 Muadtralk cause i like using bandwidth 21:19 KikaRz im getting far 21:19 KikaRz from the server 21:19 KikaRz if its lagging, i get out 21:19 Muadtralk :P 21:19 Dogzilla131 can somebody check the code and tell me whats wrong with it http://pastebin.com/Tc2ACMxZ 21:19 KikaRz if it continues 21:19 KikaRz bang 21:19 KikaRz byebye 21:19 KikaRz :P 21:19 Muadtralk it hasnt really been running in a long time 21:19 Muadtralk usually its just me and USA 21:20 OldCoder Dogzilla131 reports that his code does not load 21:21 Muadtralk i wonder if /ignore still works here or am I being rather harsh KikaRz? 21:21 KikaRz what? 21:24 Dogzilla131 yeah i put textures name in a folder inside the mod folder 21:26 Muadtralk KikaRz the server will slow down at certain times 21:26 Muadtralk mainly from 8:00 to 10:00 pm EST 21:26 KikaRz yea yea... all the time 21:26 Dogzilla131 ok then how can i fix the loading 21:26 KikaRz since yesterday 21:26 KikaRz the server lagged a lot 21:26 Muadtralk well thats cause im never away from a computer 21:26 Muadtralk i'm on break 21:27 Muadtralk so things get laggy 21:27 Muadtralk it will be normal by monday 21:28 Dogzilla131 how can i fix the loading of the png image for the code 21:30 Dogzilla131 nobody has suggestions 21:31 Kacey hello 21:31 KikaRz Wb Kacey 21:31 Kacey thank you 21:32 OldCoder Dogzilla131, do you understand the above? 21:34 aggies hax 21:34 Kacey now it is just inception... 21:35 Dogzilla131 what software is more recommended to make the textures, paint or GIMP 21:35 Kacey what would happen if i googled google 21:35 Kacey paint.net 21:35 KikaRz Oh :( 21:35 Kacey googleception 21:35 KikaRz i wanted only Paint net for me 21:35 KikaRz :'( 21:35 KikaRz its only for me :( 21:36 Kacey no because i have iittoo 21:36 Jordach night all 21:36 Muadtralk i liked gimp 21:37 OldCoder Past tense? 21:38 Kacey O.o inception 21:40 Muadtralk oh sorry I like GIMP 21:40 Muadtralk nothing in the past 21:40 Kacey ok 21:42 harrison gimp 21:42 harrison gimp4lyfe 21:49 Doc22 Digzilla131 21:49 Doc22 Dogzilla131 21:49 Doc22 wanna play on my server 21:49 Dogzilla131 yeah sure 21:49 Dogzilla131 ip port 21:50 KikaRz can i play too? 21:51 Doc22 sure 21:51 Doc22 ill pm u in a sec 21:51 Doc22 still need to fix a few things 21:51 Kacey ooh hi doc 21:53 Doc22 hey Kacey 21:56 * ruskie starts reconsidering his pyramid flooring... as fun as the lava is it is kinda disorienting 21:56 Doc22 lol 21:56 Doc22 wate 21:56 Doc22 water 21:56 ruskie using skylight for the floor 21:56 Doc22 ohhh 21:56 Doc22 ok 21:56 ruskie with lava underneath 21:57 Doc22 you were on #java in freenode right 21:57 Doc22 i remember you 21:57 ruskie was I? 21:57 ruskie when? 21:57 Doc22 err quakenet 21:57 ruskie nope 21:57 Doc22 no 21:57 ruskie I'm not on quakenet 21:57 Doc22 hmmm 21:57 ruskie ircnet, oftc, freenode, gimpnet, rizon 21:57 Doc22 someone with same name 21:57 Doc22 i guess 21:57 ruskie yup 21:57 Doc22 but have you been on #java 21:57 ruskie nope 21:57 Doc22 maybe they are linked 21:57 Doc22 ok 21:57 Doc22 they had the EXACT same name 21:58 ruskie there's someone on freenode with the same nick 21:58 ruskie though he uses "rsk" 21:58 ruskie here 21:58 Doc22 oh ok 21:58 ruskie I know there is someone on efnet using this nick as well 22:00 Kacey is the server up yet? 22:00 ruskie europe? 22:00 ruskie yup 22:00 Kacey no Doc's server 22:01 Doc22 ig ij 22:01 Doc22 ok 22:01 Doc22 ya it is 22:01 Doc22 join 22:01 Kacey k 22:01 Doc22 ill pm u dog and kika 22:01 KikaRz IP? 22:01 KikaRz Im not pmed 22:04 Kacey server shut down 22:05 Kacey Doc22 ^ 22:06 Kacey nvm im on 22:07 Kacey welcome 22:07 bulletrulz sup :D 22:21 KikaRz M13!!! 22:21 KikaRz Need to talk with you 22:27 Kacey kika are you going to rejoin? 22:31 Kacey welcome!!!! 22:34 Kacey hello? 22:36 Kacey wb 22:38 kaeza hi guys 22:38 Kacey heelo 22:38 kaeza hey Kacey! How's the city goin? 22:38 Kacey i had to delete the map :( 22:38 kaeza oh 22:39 Kacey ya 22:39 kaeza why? 22:39 Kacey it got corrupted 22:39 kaeza oh sorry 22:39 Kacey ooh well we can make a new map 22:40 kaeza maybe 22:40 Kacey how about a nuclear disaster map? 22:40 kaeza +1 22:40 Muadtralk hmmm 22:40 Muadtralk hasnt it already been made? 22:40 Kacey ya but i want to make another 22:41 kaeza Maudtralk: check tis one http://sites.google.com/site/lkaezadl3/minetest-city 22:41 kaeza this* 22:41 Kacey maybe we can use that to make it 22:41 kaeza VanessaE are you here? 22:43 Kacey kaeza do you know the ip? 22:44 kaeza I'm currently @ work maybe later 22:44 Kacey ok 22:45 kaeza bbiab 22:52 kaeza Back in action! 22:52 kaeza seems it's a bit desolate on these parts 22:52 Kacey that is true 22:52 kaeza or is just my mofo IRC client? 22:53 Kacey no mine is blank also 22:53 kaeza Kacey have you played teeworlds? 22:53 Kacey ? 22:55 kaeza http://teeworlds.org 22:57 Kacey :( 22:58 Kacey air traffic control game 23:00 * Kacey needs something to do 23:07 Octupus Hola 23:07 M13 hello Octupus 23:07 Octupus Hi m13 23:07 Kacey sorry i got bored 23:07 Octupus srry guys for not being online yesterday my internet was being a assss 23:07 Kacey lol 23:08 Octupus :3 23:08 KikaRz Kacey... You liar... 23:08 Kacey want to help make a nuclear disaster map 23:08 KikaRz Going to tell M13 about that 23:08 Kacey idk he knows that i do stuff like that 23:08 Kacey idc* 23:10 Kacey hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm nothing to do 23:10 * Octupus is away for a little bit be back in 30 mins or a hour 23:10 Kacey k 23:11 KikaRz m13.servegame.com:30001 23:11 KikaRz its a creative server 23:11 Kacey ooh ok 23:12 bulletrulz my internet is being a douchbag 23:12 Kacey lolz 23:12 bulletrulz 72 kbs WTF\ 23:13 bulletrulz I ussually get around 300 23:13 Kacey lolz 23:14 bulletrulz when trying to install remobo 23:14 kaeza hi again 23:14 bulletrulz error dependicie chkgonfig? 23:14 kaeza what's up 23:14 kaeza ? 23:16 KikaRz Kacey 23:16 KikaRz did server crashed? 23:16 Kacey no 23:17 KikaRz did /time 5200 23:17 KikaRz and it dont loads 23:17 Kacey wait yes it crashed 23:17 Kacey hey kaeza 23:17 KikaRz Okey :/ 23:18 Kacey anybody want to work on nuclear disaster map? 23:18 bulletrulz i i got a chkconfig error when trying to isntal remobo? 23:18 kaeza What's remobo? 23:19 bulletrulz http://www.remobo.com/ 23:19 KikaRz server back 23:19 KikaRz Official IRC: #m13 23:19 Kacey k 23:20 kaeza nevermind 23:23 KikaRz what you did now kacey? 23:38 KikaRz gtg 23:38 Kacey k 23:38 Kacey Octupus are you alive? 23:59 * OldCoder is resting