Time Nick Message 00:50 Kacey hello 00:51 Kacey im trying to think of a good mod to make 00:52 telek What feature has been annoying you that minetest doesn't have? 00:53 Kacey freecam view 00:53 telek That may require in-client software modifications. 00:54 Kacey not reaally just some evolution of minetest 00:55 * telek shrugs and dunnos then. 00:56 Kacey hmmmmm what does everyone want from a mod? 00:57 Kacey how about a crafting recipe for mese? 00:58 Kacey or nyan cat and the rainbow? 00:59 marktraceur Kacey: Try to think of something that will add to the gameplay, then come up with the ingredients later 00:59 Kacey but i am too lazy to go and try to find mese and nyancat so a crafting would be really good 01:00 marktraceur Kacey: Yes, but mese and nyancat are part of the tech tree. You aren't furthering the gameplay, you're shortening it. 01:01 Kacey im thinking 9 mese to make a nyan cat and one nyan cat to make a rainbow 01:01 Kacey but how to make mese? 01:01 NakedFury when you play what do you miss from other games or want in the game? think of stuff that can be done with lua not c++ 01:02 Kacey a crafting recipe for the rare blocks 01:02 NakedFury that would make them common 01:03 Kacey not really 01:04 Kacey i am going to use some of the partially rare (like steel blocks and stone) to make the mese 01:08 Kacey writing the mod for mese crafting 01:11 Kacey looking good 01:14 Kacey k written 01:15 Kacey testing 01:17 Kacey ok error failed to load and run the init.lua 01:19 Kacey how do i fix this? 01:21 Kacey any expierienced modders know? 01:21 marktraceur Kacey: Pastebin the entire output, please. 01:21 Kacey just a crafting recipe 01:21 Kacey for mese 01:22 Kacey fixed it 01:24 marktraceur Kacey: In the future, that message means there's an error, but it's not the actual error. 01:24 Kacey lol i fixed it anyway 01:24 marktraceur Kacey: You need to look at the debug output, and pastebin the entire error, as well as the code (ideally) in order for us to help 01:25 Kacey i got it 01:26 Kacey ha oops 01:27 Kacey k it works 01:29 Kacey OldCoder i am writing a mod 01:31 Kacey ok how do i do a shapless recipe? 01:32 Kacey nm got it 01:48 NakedFury making rules for the server is hard work 02:04 OldCoder Hey 02:11 * telek waves. 02:12 telek Night! 02:30 Scriminamp hello 02:44 OldCoder mauvebic, Hi 02:52 Kacey hello 02:53 Kacey i wrote my first mod 02:55 Kacey anyone online? 02:56 * Kacey hugs VanessaE with a rather large squid 02:59 Kacey nobody... 03:40 Doc22 hey NakedFury, I see you are the maker of DokuPack... Would you make your pack compatible with my campfire mod? 03:40 Doc22 http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3794 03:41 Doc22_ There... 03:41 Doc22_ stupid shutdown 04:17 marktraceur Hrm. What does the channel think might be a good way to search for a craft result? I'm thinking of offering registration of specific craft recipes in a mod. 08:10 paranoiks hi all 10:00 KikaRz Hi there 10:00 KikaRz good morning 10:00 KikaRz some one there? 10:02 thexyz no 10:04 KikaRz well 10:04 KikaRz im in a school computer 10:04 KikaRz telek, are oyu there ? 10:05 KikaRz *you 10:06 thexyz just ask what you need 10:06 thexyz there's no point in asking whether someone here or not 10:07 KikaRz I'm chatting 10:08 KikaRz i dont need anythng 10:15 KikaRz well 10:15 KikaRz telek, why you did that hole into the tower? 10:15 KikaRz well, that one with some stairs 10:15 KikaRz you or USA 10:16 KikaRz in 3 hours, ill be here again 10:16 KikaRz kisses 14:15 RealBadAngel hi all 14:35 KikaRz Hi there! :D 14:41 RealBadAngel hi 14:41 FreeFull Hi 14:50 OldCoder Good morning 14:59 redcrab Hi there ... 15:01 redcrab I 've got an issue with minetestmapper.py ... so an python dev friend may help me .... during map generation it fails with this trace : 15:01 redcrab Processing sector 27600 of 27929 (98.8%) (ETA: 0m 34s) 15:01 redcrab Processing sector 27800 of 27929 (99.5%) (ETA: 0m 13s) 15:01 redcrab Drawing image 15:01 redcrab Traceback (most recent call last): 15:01 redcrab File "./minetestmapper.py", line 695, in 15:01 redcrab impix[x - minx * 16 + border, h - 1 - (z - minz * 16) + border] = (r, g, b) 15:01 redcrab TypeError: an integer is required 15:01 redcrab Any idea ? 15:05 KikaRz back 15:05 KikaRz redcrab 15:05 KikaRz i can recover my pass? :/ 15:05 KikaRz i forgot my redcrab password 15:06 FreeFull redcrab: Maybe you have the wrong version of python 15:14 redcrab KikaRz : please post on forum your issue ... please precise on witch server do you play ... Mt 0.3.1 port 30001, or Mt 0.4 port 30000 or Mt 0.4.3 port 30401 or Mt 0.4.3 port 30402 ... currently you do not exist on 30401... 15:15 redcrab FreeFull : currently I use Python 2.6.8 ... how to know if it is correct ? 15:16 KikaRz 0.4 i guess 15:16 KikaRz yep 15:16 KikaRz it is 15:16 KikaRz i was there 15:16 KikaRz at 5 months that i forgot my password 15:16 KikaRz or less. 15:16 redcrab KikaRz : wich port ? 15:17 KikaRz 30000 i guess 15:17 KikaRz try to find in 0.4 15:17 redcrab on wich port do you do your login attempt ? 15:18 KikaRz 30000 15:18 redcrab what Minetest version do you use ,n 15:18 redcrab ? 15:22 KikaRz well 15:22 KikaRz im going to install 0.4.1 again 15:22 KikaRz because my house is there 15:22 KikaRz i got 0.4.3 now 15:22 KikaRz but i was liking 0.4.1 15:22 KikaRz :8 15:22 KikaRz :( 15:22 KikaRz well, i need to go 15:22 KikaRz in few minutes ill come back 15:23 KikaRz redcrab, idk if my nick in there is this 15:23 KikaRz or if its DracoPT 15:23 KikaRz or something 15:23 KikaRz well, later we'll try again 15:23 KikaRz kisses 15:24 redcrab KikaRz your password is reset now. 15:25 redcrab KikaRz-AwayChess : your password is reset now 15:32 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 15:33 Doc22 hey 15:33 Doc22 NekoGloop 15:34 Doc22 how do you make talinite pick 15:34 Doc22 I have steel sticks and talinite block 15:34 NekoGloop Ask octu 15:34 Doc22 ok 15:44 Matsetes Hello 16:22 Jordach OldCoder SEE PM 16:22 OldCoder Hey 16:24 Calinou yey, in 24 hours I went from 151 comment karma to 130 comment karma 16:24 Calinou did the best comment ever 16:24 Calinou -17 points 16:24 Calinou 16:26 Calinou I HAVE BEEN UPVOTED!!oneone1 16:26 Calinou -16 now 16:26 * Jordach makes 1900 diff. reddit accounds 16:26 Jordach accounts 16:26 Jordach upvotes Calinou 1900 times 16:26 Calinou do it :D 16:30 VanessaE good day all. 16:30 * VanessaE wanders in, rubs eyes, flops down on an empty spot on the channel sofa. 16:31 PilzAdam hi VanessaE 16:31 VanessaE hey hey 16:31 PilzAdam should we talk about junglegrass? 16:32 VanessaE no :-) 16:32 Calinou hi 16:32 VanessaE you forget, my junglegrass is perlin noise based. Don't want it growing in your house? Don't build a house in a patch of jungle grass, or use something besides a dirt or sand floor :-) 16:32 KikaRz Hi there :D 16:33 KikaRz thank you redcrab: ) 16:33 KikaRz redcrab, did the world reseted? (0.4.1) ? 16:33 KikaRz or its the same ever? 16:33 Doc22 heya 16:33 PilzAdam VanessaE, spawning junglegrass in mapgen is the "default" way, so it should be in the default game; growing junglegrass should be an additional mod 16:33 KikaRz Welcome 16:33 Doc22 thanks 16:34 KikaRz my head hurts 16:34 Doc22 lol 16:34 Doc22 drink water 16:34 VanessaE PilzAdam: the problem is how to synchronize the growing code against the proposed mapgen-based code. 16:35 VanessaE and if you're gonna mapgen the jungle grass, then put jungle trees back in. 16:35 VanessaE but those HAVE to be done in C++ or they'll be too damn slow (sorry to bas080, it's the truth) 16:36 NekoGloop I made it so you have to craft a jungle sapling 16:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: I don't want to create two separate junglegrass distributions - wherever the mapgen puts it, I need to adjust my perlin seed to grow there also. 16:36 NekoGloop VanessaE: See: Dry grass. 16:37 NekoGloop s/grass/shrubs/ 16:37 VanessaE NekoGloop: note that my junglegrass mod creates dry shrubs :-) 16:37 NekoGloop VanessaE: Note that the mapgen.lua of default makes dry shrubs on mapgen. 16:37 VanessaE yep I know. 16:37 VanessaE just pointing it out 16:38 Doc22 id like to report a bug 16:38 NekoGloop Then do so 16:38 Doc22 when someone destroys a locked sign that isnt theirs 16:38 Doc22 the server shuts down 16:38 babyface1031 whats the bug dic 16:38 VanessaE my mod is 100000x better than the proposed mapgen version :-) 16:38 VanessaE sorry PilzAdam :-) 16:38 Doc22 and babyface its Doc not dic... 16:38 Doc22 lol 16:38 NekoGloop +k 16:38 NekoGloop +k 16:38 babyface1031 sorry missed typed 16:39 Doc22 ok 16:39 babyface1031 i and o are right next to each other sorry 16:58 KikaRz Welcome Back Celeron 17:16 marktraceur KikaRz: How's your mod coming? 17:16 KikaRz soon :) 17:16 KikaRz but not too much 17:16 KikaRz just more blocks 17:16 KikaRz and a... 17:16 KikaRz well 17:16 KikaRz i cant tell this 17:16 KikaRz its secret 17:20 marktraceur KikaRz: Hopefully it won't be for long! 17:21 KikaRz well 17:21 KikaRz it can be for long. 17:23 marktraceur KikaRz: How do you mean? 17:24 marktraceur Also, /me apologizes to those who can't download via git, but the industry modpack isn't ready for public release (read: people who can't install git) until probably tomorrow. 17:25 * Calinou segfaulted when he joined gameboom 17:25 KikaRz hey 17:25 Calinou marktraceur: (read: people who use windows) 17:25 KikaRz i can download it? *-* 17:25 Calinou FTFY 17:25 Calinou also, you can download a .tar.gz from gitorious (if you're using gitorious) or github 17:25 Calinou the feature is quite hidden 17:25 marktraceur Calinou: Windows users have many awesome options for installing git 17:26 marktraceur Calinou: Actually no :P 17:26 KikaRz i can download it? 17:26 marktraceur Calinou: I'm using git submodules to distribute, .tar.gz will give them useless empty directories 17:26 Calinou github on windows == terrible, cygwin = too hard to use for average windows user 17:26 Calinou ah 17:26 marktraceur Calinou: I'll be making a distribution tarball as soon as I can, but right now is not the time....I want factories before distributing it in tarball form. 17:27 KikaRz CAN I DOWNLOAD IT? 17:27 KikaRz omg 17:28 KikaRz nobody hear me :( 17:29 marktraceur KikaRz: YES. 17:29 Calinou KikaRz: why can't you download via git? you said you are on linux 17:29 VanessaE wonder how long before that gets pushed to upstream 17:30 marktraceur KikaRz: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3804 17:30 Jordach VanessaE - i give you two weeks 17:30 Calinou VanessaE: it'll be pushed on 2012-12-21 17:30 VanessaE HQ! 17:30 VanessaE HA! 17:30 marktraceur Yay, solstice! 17:30 KikaRz calinou 17:32 KikaRz i got 2 systems 17:32 KikaRz but i cant play minetest in linux 17:32 VanessaE why? 17:32 KikaRz well, marktraceur, ill try to get cygwin working by myself :P 17:32 KikaRz VanessaE, my graphics card is not too good 17:33 marktraceur KikaRz: My friends often suggest 'git bash', not cygwin 17:33 KikaRz git bash is for windows? 17:33 VanessaE KikaRz: I've played it on a 1.6GHz laptop with Mobility Radeon 9600 (with Gallium3d driver) and it's playable there. 17:33 KikaRz VanessaE 17:33 VanessaE (circa 2005 I think) 17:33 KikaRz I've already compiled it there 17:33 KikaRz and my graphics card is not that 17:33 KikaRz its a NViDia GeForce 2 MX/MX 400 17:33 KikaRz too stupid. 17:33 KikaRz And laggy in OpenGL (Linux) 17:34 marktraceur KikaRz: Generally, http://openhatch.org/missions/git 17:34 Calinou marktraceur: canhttp://ompldr.org/vZ2U4eQ/industry-modpack.zip 17:34 VanessaE an MX400 is slow but it should still be playable as long as you're using the binary nVidia legacy driver 17:34 Calinou marktraceur: this? 17:34 Calinou packaged the whole thing 8) 17:34 marktraceur Calinou: Cheers, thanks, maybe post it on the forum, but I'm standing by my not-ready-for-release statement 17:34 Calinou k 17:35 VanessaE Calinou: nVidia 99, AMD 3. :-) 17:35 Calinou AMD -3 you mean 17:36 VanessaE heh 17:36 * VanessaE randomly pokes sfan5. 17:36 * sfan5 randomly pokes back to VanessaE 17:37 VanessaE :D 17:37 marktraceur VanessaE: Oh, come on, that was totally the opposite of random! /me throws hands up in frustration at the lack of language boundaries 17:37 VanessaE marktraceur: you forgot about the concept of local non-randomness :D 17:55 KikaRz calinou 17:55 KikaRz i shall use that link? :p 17:55 * VanessaE pokes at PilzAdam for signs of life 17:56 * PilzAdam is testing some buggy pull requests 17:56 VanessaE PilzAdam: read your messages :-) 17:56 PilzAdam I am 18:03 Kacey hello 18:05 babyface1031 hi 18:05 Kacey i wrote a mod 18:06 Kacey i am writing another now 18:06 * Kacey slaps OldCoder with a rainbow trout 18:07 Kacey haha i found the slap button 18:09 marktraceur Kacey: Hey, FYI, you should ask questions instead of asking if people are around to answer questions 18:09 marktraceur Kacey: It makes it easier for us to answer quickly :) 18:09 Kacey ooh ok 18:09 Kacey i am writing a new mod :-d 18:10 Calinou KikaRz: yes, you can 18:10 marktraceur Kacey: Also, staying online for at least an hour after asking is a good idea, people may be (probably are) doing other things that aren't IRC, especially in this channel :) 18:10 KikaRz what it got ? 18:10 marktraceur Kacey: Did you have a question about it? 18:10 KikaRz things for technic? 18:10 * KikaRz slaps Kacey with a fake Nyan Cat's Rainbow. 18:10 KikaRz i found a special button! 18:10 Kacey no i just wanted to tell you guys and it is an independant mod 18:11 marktraceur Kacey: It would be cool to see! Where is it? 18:11 Kacey havent finished yet 18:11 marktraceur Kacey: K, well, we're excited to see it. Keep it up :) 18:11 Kacey it adds a weegee block that lights up really bright 18:13 Calinou you're the 50001st person to make a mod that add a random block that makes light 18:13 Calinou :D 18:13 Kacey really bright light though 18:15 Calinou really bright, you mean like lava? :| 18:15 Calinou that's the brightest you can do 18:15 Kacey brighter 18:15 marktraceur Calinou: Clearly there's some magic involved 18:15 Kacey i can find the loophole for it 18:15 marktraceur Kacey: There's a set scale for brightness, there's no way around that. 18:15 Calinou you'd have to make a TERRIBLE AND SLOW hack to make something "brighter" (larger light radius) 18:16 Kacey ooh ok i guess the brightest it can go 18:16 Calinou lava brightness is the brightest possible.. 18:16 Kacey ok 18:17 Calinou so you've made a lava block that doesn't hurt, is solid and has a different texture, nothing more :D 18:17 marktraceur Kacey: Actually, you could register a new node that's like "air_lit" and on_place you can replace immediate neighbors that are air with air_lit, then you'd have a slightly bigger radius 18:17 Kacey almost it also has a crafting 18:17 Calinou marktraceur: that was my terrible and slow hack 18:17 marktraceur Calinou: Well yeah, but it might be an interesting problem for Kacey to solve, at least :) 18:18 Kacey what is the brightness for lava? 18:18 marktraceur Kacey: 16 or so 18:18 Calinou marktraceur: what if you build nodes in the air_lit nodes then remove these nodes? 18:18 Calinou they should go back automagically, don't forget :P 18:18 Calinou what about lava/water flowing into those? you'll have to make liquids destroy your node temporarily 18:18 Kacey hmm i guess ill check the init of default 18:19 marktraceur Calinou: on_dig should be able to deal with that....find immediate neighbors, if they've been set as air_lit and aren't immediate neighbors with another of your magic blocks, then set it back to air 18:20 marktraceur Calinou: And making sure air_lit is the same as air should be enough for flowing stuff and replacing stuff....is_buildable_to, I think, is the flag 18:22 KikaRz Noupe. 18:22 KikaRz 6000. 18:23 KikaRz Why celeron55 dont does a brightness adjuster, a FOV adjuster, chat adjuster etc? 18:23 KikaRz like, changing chat from the top left of the window 18:23 KikaRz to the left bottom 18:24 KikaRz Kacey mod will bug 100% :P 18:24 KikaRz like: COOL... I CANT SEE ANYTHING 18:24 Kacey no im using lava light 18:24 KikaRz ok. 18:24 KikaRz so, you're not going to get more brighter than lava. 18:24 KikaRz liar :c 18:25 Kacey i found out that i cant 18:25 marktraceur john_minetest: /time 5800 puts you right after sunrise, so you have more daylight 18:26 KikaRz FOUND GIT FOR WINDOWS 18:26 KikaRz http://blog.dmatoso.com/2011/09/git-no-windows-github/ 18:26 KikaRz yea 18:26 KikaRz i said that :c 18:27 marktraceur Portugues? 18:27 KikaRz Yep 18:28 KikaRz Portuguese. 18:28 Kacey bbl k? 18:28 KikaRz Português in Portuguese Language. 18:28 KikaRz '-' 18:28 KikaRz http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3617 -- THIS MOD IS EPIC 18:30 marktraceur Just....not sure how epic a keypad can be 18:30 marktraceur Cool? Sure. Useful? Yup. Epic? Maybe not. 18:30 OldCoder Hi 18:30 OldCoder Shutting down world 30004 Octuteam to check the logs 18:31 OldCoder It is now eating about 70% of my CPU 18:31 OldCoder Possibly another machine or another problem 18:31 Calinou KikaRz: github's "Git for Windows" is terrible 18:31 OldCoder Need to check into the issue 18:31 Calinou git with a windows 8 UI... ugly 18:31 Calinou :D 18:31 OldCoder babyface1031, see the note above 18:31 KikaRz I hate Win8. 18:31 KikaRz sucks. 18:31 babyface1031 ok 18:32 KikaRz OldCoder, when will you convert that aprimorated good client to Direct3D? 18:32 KikaRz that one that i can use to your server 18:32 KikaRz and dont works 18:32 OldCoder KikaRz, Where did we leave that? 18:32 Calinou virtualbox + some linux distro works, yeah 18:32 OldCoder I don't do much with Windows 18:32 Calinou you need a fairly good cpu though and at least 2gb ram 18:32 OldCoder babyface1031, Was somebody attempting a large WorldEdit? 18:32 KikaRz Name of it: 18:32 Calinou KikaRz: direct3d sucks. 18:32 Calinou use opengl 18:33 KikaRz Fuck that 18:33 Calinou why 18:33 OldCoder babyface1031, CPU was at 65% to 70% 18:33 KikaRz Give me a Graphics card. 18:33 Calinou any recent GPU supports opengl well, even the intel ones 18:33 Calinou (recent: 2006+) 18:33 babyface1031 i havent been on since we last talked 18:33 Calinou can't buy better hardware? save money: quit smoking, quit drinking, don't buy useless phones/tablets.. 18:34 KikaRz I dont smoke 18:34 KikaRz I dont drink 18:34 KikaRz i dont have any phone 18:34 KikaRz just this stupid computer 18:34 KikaRz that serves me to play what i can. 18:34 KikaRz OldCoder, Codename: minetest-121020 18:35 babyface1031 i saw the logs that is around dogzilla house i think 18:36 KikaRz mr PilzAdam 18:37 KikaRz this mod https://github.com/PilzAdam/3d_player supports Minecraft Skins ? (my old skin is in here/my computer) 18:37 PilzAdam no 18:37 KikaRz Waaai??? 18:37 KikaRz :( 18:37 Penguin hiya 18:37 OldCoder Penguin, Hello 18:38 Penguin Is Server Down 18:38 babyface1031 hi Penguin 18:38 babyface1031 yes 18:38 Penguin Why ? 18:38 OldCoder babyface1031, Penguin: To explain: 18:39 Penguin Have I Done Somethin 18:39 OldCoder World 30004 went to about 70% CPU just now. Nearly took down my VPS. I need to review the logs to find out if there is another machine or some damage. 18:39 babyface1031 @Oldcoder has to look at the logs the cpu shot up on 3000 18:39 Penguin ? 18:39 OldCoder Penguin, babyface1031 I am on the phone for a business call. I'll fix it when I'm off. 18:39 babyface1031 it might be another machine he has to look 18:39 babyface1031 ok thats fine 18:39 OldCoder CPU usage went to the top 18:39 Penguin Any Other Server For Yours 18:40 Penguin ? 18:40 OldCoder Penguin, ? 18:40 OldCoder Penguin, can you explain the question? 18:40 Penguin whats the new server called 18:40 OldCoder Penguin I do not understand 18:40 babyface1031 i think he wants to know if all your severs are down 18:40 Penguin i mean the newist server whats the port 18:41 marktraceur Penguin: "I" "newest" "what's" 18:41 babyface1031 i think it is 30015 but i could be wrong 18:41 Penguin 30012 18:42 OldCoder Ah 18:42 OldCoder Wait 18:42 OldCoder Zegaton is at 30015 18:42 Penguin tanker has a machien in his castle 18:42 OldCoder In 30004? 18:42 OldCoder Yes 18:42 babyface1031 again i took it out 18:43 OldCoder I will do a clearblocks on 30004 now 18:43 Penguin oh 18:43 Penguin i dident no u did 18:43 marktraceur Penguin: "I" "didn't" "know" "you" 18:44 babyface1031 i never got a chance to look at 2or 3 areas 18:44 Penguin Urg i hat been ing diclexic 18:45 VanessaE Penguin: "argh", "I", "hate", being", "dyslexic" 18:45 marktraceur john_minetest: I can't quite make it out, but if you're saying that people who misspell things frequently are impotent, you're absolutely correct. 18:45 Kacey IT WORKS!!!!! now to add light 18:45 marktraceur Kacey: I thought the whole purpose of it was to add light? How can you say it works if there's no light? 18:46 Kacey it made the node 18:46 marktraceur Oh, cool. 18:46 Kacey calinou do you know how to add light? 18:46 Penguin stop corecting me its not my fault 18:46 hmmmm Tell your mom 18:46 hmmmm Tell your dad 18:46 hmmmm we were super rad 18:47 marktraceur Penguin: Ta, we'll stop 18:47 Penguin thanks 18:47 Penguin i get anoyed becuse its not my fault 18:47 VanessaE you can blame them for not getting a good IRC client that'll warn them of bad spelling. 18:48 Penguin i am not blameing them ? 18:48 VanessaE and which provides not only those warnings, but also a right-click menu offering spelling suggestions. 18:48 VanessaE (like Xchat, probably others too) 18:48 Kacey what is the line to add light to a node? 18:48 Penguin idk 18:49 Jordach light_source = 1-14 18:49 Kacey ok 18:49 Jordach with a semicolon as well 18:49 Kacey which line does that go in? 18:49 VanessaE john_minetest: yeah, right-click a misspelled word. 18:49 VanessaE Jordach: semicolon??? comma you mean :-) 18:49 VanessaE this is Lua, not C. :-) 18:49 * Jordach learns c++ 18:50 Kacey ok maybe this will work 18:51 Kacey that is not very bright... 18:52 Penguin change the number 18:52 Kacey i put 14 18:52 Penguin oh 18:52 Kacey ok LIGHT_MAX might work 18:52 VanessaE 14 is the max, but you should use LIGHT_MAX minus some value 18:52 VanessaE in case c55 ever increases the range of that field 18:52 Kacey ? 18:52 Penguin kacey what are you doing 18:53 Kacey writing a mod 18:53 Penguin what mod 18:53 Kacey weegee 18:53 Penguin _ 18:53 Penguin -_- 18:53 Kacey yep 18:53 Kacey just for practice 18:53 Kacey want me to upload it? 18:54 Penguin what mod ? 18:54 Kacey weegee 18:54 Penguin whats that 18:54 Kacey it adds a weegee block 18:54 Penguin weegee whats that 18:55 Kacey look it up 18:55 KikaRz-Dinner lol 18:56 KikaRz-Dinner "are" "u" "mad" "or" "dislexic" "look" "trying" "you" ? 18:56 KikaRz hmmmm, are you from France? 18:56 KikaRz Europe ALEEE D: 18:56 KikaRz :D 18:56 hmmmm no 18:56 VanessaE hah, self-correction FAIL :-) 18:57 KikaRz hmmmm, look what server are you connected 18:57 KikaRz [18:56] == server : pratchett.freenode.net [Rennes, France] 18:57 VanessaE "dislexic" -> "dyslexic" 18:57 KikaRz "problem" "no" :) 18:57 hmmmm mmm yea 18:57 Kacey making a github for it 18:57 VanessaE What, reverse Polish notation now? :-) 18:57 KikaRz for what? 18:57 KikaRz :) 18:57 hmmmm i guess that's just what xchat chose this time 18:57 Penguin Wow Stop 18:58 KikaRz Penguin, you are. 18:58 KikaRz omg, censurating... 18:58 KikaRz Penguin, you are. 18:58 Penguin what 18:58 KikaRz Penguin, you are cuteeee...-eeeeeeeeey 18:58 Penguin No? 18:58 marktraceur OK, Kacey, that's a ridiculous idea for a mod. (I just looked up "weegee") 18:59 VanessaE what the hell is a weegee? 18:59 Kacey lol 18:59 VanessaE is that a tiny wedgie? 18:59 marktraceur VanessaE: A meme, featuring ironic placement of Luigi from Mario Bros. 18:59 * Kacey is confused 18:59 VanessaE ohh brother. 18:59 Penguin weegee board? 18:59 Kacey how do i make a repositorie? 18:59 marktraceur Penguin: That's spelled "Ouija", actually. 18:59 VanessaE Penguin: no, that's Ouija. :-) 18:59 KikaRz Well 18:59 KikaRz my new mod its a bit... 18:59 KikaRz secret *-* 19:00 KikaRz reason: Itll have new blocks, GLOWSTONE!, new torches (if i can) and etc :) 19:00 Penguin Glowston all redy made 19:01 KikaRz diferent one 19:01 Penguin *Ready 19:01 KikaRz not yellow 19:01 KikaRz red. 19:01 KikaRz i didnt said that is yellow 19:01 VanessaE already done, KikaRz . 19:01 KikaRz xd 19:01 Penguin *Glowstone 19:01 KikaRz Nope 19:01 KikaRz Red isnt 19:01 VanessaE Mesecons, Bobblocks both have red glow stones. 19:01 KikaRz ... 19:01 VanessaE there are others also. 19:01 marktraceur KikaRz: Oh, it's red, that's TOTALLY DIFFERENT 19:01 Kacey i need to know how to set up a github repo 19:01 KikaRz stupid . 19:01 KikaRz hate this. 19:02 KikaRz github.com ? 19:02 Kacey yes 19:02 VanessaE in fact bobblocks pretty much killed off the idea of needing more generic glowstones, as it has the whole ROYGBIV palette plus white and grey :-) 19:02 VanessaE john_minetest: and the lighting section of Home Decor 19:02 KikaRz fuck this :'( 19:02 VanessaE (white and yellow there) 19:03 VanessaE KikaRz: you just need to do something that hasn't already been done 19:03 KikaRz LIKE WHAT? A MEME?... 19:03 KikaRz Oh... 19:03 KikaRz thats it... 19:03 KikaRz im going to make memes. 19:03 Kacey had no inspiration... 19:03 KikaRz meme blocks. 19:03 Penguin beer 19:03 VanessaE KikaRz: revitalize the old Minetest Trollpack textures ;) 19:03 KikaRz omg 19:03 VanessaE http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1353 19:03 Penguin SLENDER 19:04 KikaRz IF I THINK IN SOMETHING, THERE IS ALREADY. 19:04 Kacey YES SLENDER!!!! 19:04 VanessaE KikaRz: then think of something else ;) 19:04 KikaRz i wanted to make new things for Technic 19:04 KikaRz but i dont know much of programating in LUA 19:04 KikaRz Lua means Moon in Portuguese... 19:04 Kacey me neither 19:04 KikaRz that's stupid. 19:04 KikaRz xd 19:04 VanessaE we know. it's named for that deliberately. 19:05 Penguin SLENDEr 19:05 VanessaE (Luna = moon in English) 19:05 Kacey YES SLENDER!!!! 19:05 KikaRz Lua its in Portuguese. 19:05 KikaRz Yep 19:05 KikaRz Im going to do of Slender... 19:05 KikaRz i need to make the pages 19:05 KikaRz the messages 19:05 KikaRz the slender skin 19:05 KikaRz x_x' 19:05 KikaRz everything 19:05 KikaRz how to make a NPC... 19:07 marktraceur KikaRz: There are plenty of nodes that you could add that aren't complicated and would add to the gameplay. 19:07 marktraceur KikaRz: Just keep thinking, play the game some, and if you even have a fleeting moment of "gee, I wish there was X", make X. 19:07 KikaRz ok 19:07 KikaRz remaking the meme's pack. 19:07 Kacey weegee block 19:08 * marktraceur did that, came up with like 7 or 8 mods so far, with at least 2 more coming over the next two days 19:08 KikaRz nope 19:08 KikaRz Meme's 19:08 KikaRz that old meme's pack sucks 19:08 Kacey can anyone upload my file for me? 19:08 Penguin Message board 19:09 Kacey yep 19:09 KikaRz hey 19:09 KikaRz why they dont change the template of this 19:09 KikaRz http://minetest.com/ 19:09 KikaRz to a modern one? 19:09 KikaRz idk who is the owner... 19:09 Calinou minetest.com is old and outdated :| 19:09 Calinou saxony 19:09 Calinou he's sometimes on irc 19:09 Calinou marktraceur: X is already made, and is slow, use wayland! 19:09 Kacey i want to readd oerkkis 19:10 VanessaE Kacey: just go to ompldr or something 19:10 Kacey ooh ok 19:10 VanessaE upload it there, link to it in a new post. 19:10 VanessaE hm, lagged out for a moment there. 19:10 Kacey k 19:10 Calinou wiki isn't 19:10 Kacey but i cannot create a new post in mod realeses 19:10 Calinou heh, it's more up to date because everyone can edit it 19:10 Calinou Kacey: post in modding general 19:10 Kacey ooh ok 19:11 Calinou note that you need to add a license so that the mod can be moved in mod releases 19:11 Calinou (if you don't care about what people can do with your mod, use the WTFPL) 19:11 Kacey how do i add a license 19:12 Calinou just say that the mod is under "that" license 19:12 Kacey ooh ok 19:14 KikaRz taking a look in Modding General 19:14 Kacey posting in a couple minutes 19:15 KikaRz if it sucks, ill not comment :c 19:15 Kacey lol it is just one block right no but it is a test of a mod 19:18 KikaRz lol- 19:18 KikaRz Hey 19:18 KikaRz VanessaE 19:18 Kacey what is the format of the topic for mods? 19:18 KikaRz how i do passive mobs in lua? 19:18 KikaRz i want to make cats and dogs 19:18 KikaRz and birds 19:18 KikaRz (birds wont fly :() 19:19 Penguin Broken its wing? 19:19 VanessaE KikaRz: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2828 19:19 VanessaE oops 19:19 VanessaE wrong one 19:19 VanessaE http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1271 19:19 VanessaE THAT one. 19:20 KikaRz Not thta 19:20 KikaRz *that 19:20 KikaRz -.- 19:20 KikaRz its How to program passive mobs in lua 19:20 VanessaE oops, that was to Kacey ^^^^6 19:20 Kacey ok lol i feel stupid i didnt get the link in the post 19:21 VanessaE for his request about mod title/posting rules. 19:21 KikaRz '-' 19:21 VanessaE about mobs, look at cornernote's critters mod. http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=48079#p48079 19:21 Penguin but ima a special penguin 19:22 KikaRz vanessa 19:22 KikaRz not that. 19:22 KikaRz I WANT TO CREATE ONE 19:22 VanessaE KikaRz: well you need to start somewhere, you said you don't know how to code in Lua. 19:22 VanessaE download a mobs mod and tweak it. 19:22 VanessaE that's how you learn. 19:23 Penguin kacey come on server in a bit minetest.org 30004 19:24 PilzAdam gtg; bye 19:25 Penguin bye 19:25 KikaRz bye 19:26 KikaRz [19:25] == john_minetest [~john@p5DCA86EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Just for the lulz.] 19:26 KikaRz omg 19:27 KikaRz Well 19:27 OldCoder Is anybody here from the Zeg9 server? 19:27 OldCoder The old one? 19:27 KikaRz someone can send me Minetest Server Bin? 19:27 OldCoder What type? 19:27 KikaRz well, http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.3-25cf375-extrafilters_chkbox-win32.7z got one 19:29 RealBadAngel there are newer builds 19:29 KikaRz how i download a git in linux? 19:29 RealBadAngel with browser on git page or command line using wget 19:29 KikaRz how this minetest classic works? https://bitbucket.org/minetestclassicteam/minetest-classic 19:30 KikaRz ok 19:30 RealBadAngel https://github.com/celeron55/minetest 19:30 KikaRz thats not for windows 19:30 KikaRz -.- 19:31 VanessaE KikaRz: git clone git://github.com/celeron55/minetest.git or whatever the repo is. 19:31 Penguin ("O_$) 19:32 KikaRz Could not open because git isnt associated to a program (Mozilla Firefox) 19:32 VanessaE KikaRz: command line. 19:33 VanessaE open a terminal and copy&paste that ^^^^^^ 19:33 KikaRz No such file or Directory 19:33 RealBadAngel theres "zip" button 19:33 KikaRz . 19:33 RealBadAngel download archive with sources 19:33 KikaRz not for that 19:34 OldCoder I am away for 15 minutes 19:34 RealBadAngel https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/archive/master.zip 19:34 RealBadAngel is that hard to click the button to download file? 19:34 VanessaE KikaRz: open a terminal, copy&paste this: 19:34 KikaRz ... 19:34 VanessaE git clone git://github.com/celeron55/minetest.git 19:35 RealBadAngel question is he havin CLI for github... 19:35 VanessaE THAT is the proper way to download a GIT repository in Linux. 19:35 KikaRz RealBadAngel 19:35 RealBadAngel im not using that way 19:35 KikaRz Shut up please. 19:35 RealBadAngel and not using cli at all 19:35 VanessaE RealBadAngel: if he doesn't, it's a trivial matte to apt-get install git. :-) 19:35 KikaRz im a girl 19:36 VanessaE she. 19:36 RealBadAngel cli is archaic and annoying 19:36 Penguin oh 19:36 KikaRz well 19:36 KikaRz i need to specify better 19:36 KikaRz im female. 19:36 KikaRz xd 19:36 KikaRz because nobody understands that im 75% English 19:36 KikaRz 25% Portuguese 19:37 VanessaE maybe archaic and annoying, but there really isn't a better way, given the nature of the content being downloaded. :-) 19:37 RealBadAngel theres git client http://www.syntevo.com/smartgit/index.html 19:37 VanessaE good day, redcrab . 19:37 RealBadAngel no need to use CLI at all 19:38 VanessaE RealBadAngel: sure, but the code is still plain text. Using a GUI to work on code is kinda..overkill :-) 19:38 RealBadAngel i suggest using Geany 19:38 VanessaE (don't misunderstand me, I hate having to use the command line. But it's the best tool for the job, for me) 19:38 RealBadAngel for work with sources 19:39 RealBadAngel im using terminal only to compile sources and launch bin 19:39 RealBadAngel to get debug output 19:40 RealBadAngel for editing sources, pushing to remote i dont need to use terminal 19:44 VanessaE for me, I edit with gedit (ironically), but compile and manage the repo from the command line 19:45 Penguin hi 19:45 VanessaE wb 19:46 RealBadAngel github client: http://realbadangel.pl/git.png 19:46 RealBadAngel working with code: http://realbadangel.pl/editing_sources.png 19:46 Penguin coder 19:47 VanessaE jeez, looks like a lovechild of synaptic and firefox :-) 19:48 RealBadAngel ;) 19:49 RealBadAngel VanessaE, try Geany for editing 19:50 RealBadAngel its damn good 19:50 VanessaE naw, I'm happy with gedit 19:50 RealBadAngel even has a terminal in a tab 19:50 Penguin HAPPY WHEELS 19:50 RealBadAngel compiler also can be configured for it 19:50 RealBadAngel LUA, c++ highliting 19:51 KikaRz https://sites.google.com/site/cornernote/minetest/infinite-chest 19:51 RealBadAngel perfecto 19:51 KikaRz EPIC 19:51 RealBadAngel not really, kinda cheat 19:51 RealBadAngel but nice piece of code 19:51 KikaRz whats the turkey day? 19:51 VanessaE tomorrow. 19:52 * VanessaE <-- consummate smartass ;) 19:52 Penguin HAPPY WHEELS 19:53 KikaRz shut up, i know that game 19:53 KikaRz http://www.getpaint.net/ 19:53 KikaRz epic 19:53 Penguin -_- 19:53 VanessaE get GIMP. http://www.gimp.org/ 19:53 VanessaE :-) 19:53 KikaRz I cant 19:54 KikaRz Lags a lot in my computer (as windows) 19:54 KikaRz igot it 19:54 KikaRz but it dont works correctly 19:56 Penguin Happy Wheels 19:59 KikaRz SHUT UP 19:59 KikaRz thats spam. 19:59 Penguin SHUT UP 19:59 VanessaE penguin, knock it off. 19:59 Penguin sorry 20:00 Penguin i only said it 3 times 20:00 ruskie hmmm decided on what I'll construct next in minetest 20:00 VanessaE "only"....mmmh 20:00 VanessaE ruskie: what? 20:01 Penguin 1d are spliting up 20:01 Penguin :D 20:02 Penguin anyone no who they are 20:03 Penguin ? 20:03 VanessaE no. No one knows who they are. 20:03 Penguin one direction 20:04 marktraceur Penguin: I think they prefer the term "turn-challenged" 20:05 Penguin HAHa 20:05 Penguin NO!!!!!! 20:06 VanessaE marktraceur: no, they're reverse-challenged. 20:07 Penguin Ha !!! NO!!! 20:13 marktraceur VanessaE: I suppose both--though if you weren't reverse challenged I suppose the derogatory term would be "two directions" 20:13 VanessaE so you're saying this hypothetical entity goes...ahem...both ways? 20:13 VanessaE ;) 20:13 marktraceur Like 13, exactly. 20:13 VanessaE lol 20:15 marktraceur "The murderer told the bisexual to pick one of two doors, but both doors led to a horrible death" "So what you're saying is, she could have gone both ways" "YEEEEEAAAAHHHHHHH" 20:15 VanessaE you forgot the sunglasses :-) 20:15 marktraceur VanessaE: I didn't, you just couldn't see that part 20:15 VanessaE lol 20:16 * marktraceur pulled off the sunglasses while typing 20:19 Penguin TT 20:20 KikaRz Hey 20:20 KikaRz whats minetest classic? 20:20 KikaRz i want to test it, but when i start game, it closes 20:20 iqualfragile not worth looking at 20:20 VanessaE it's an old-ass version 20:20 marktraceur KikaRz: It's our annual golf tournament 20:20 marktraceur Oh, no sorry, the other things 20:20 KikaRz ? 20:20 VanessaE 0.2.something, from long ago. you can't even run mods on it. 20:20 KikaRz o_o' 20:21 KikaRz but i want to test minetest classic 20:21 KikaRz :c 20:21 iqualfragile thats the poit about it 20:21 iqualfragile it was minetest without mods 20:21 VanessaE marktraceur: nonono, that's the Mintest Open. the -Classic was an auto race ;-) 20:21 marktraceur Oh, right, sorry. 20:21 * marktraceur wonders how hard it would be to make a golf mod 20:21 KikaRz yep 20:21 KikaRz just like 20:21 KikaRz the throwing mod + ricochet... 20:21 ruskie marktraceur, that would be nice 20:21 VanessaE I should think it would be pretty easy actually. 20:22 KikaRz when you throw it to the floor 20:22 KikaRz it ricochet to the sky 20:22 KikaRz like a ball drop 20:22 marktraceur I agree....you'd need to hunt for the ball pretty heavily, but it would work 20:23 KikaRz cool... https://sites.google.com/site/cornernote/minetest/worldedit-gui 20:33 OldCoder 20:33 OldCoder World 30004 can't do a /clearobjects any longer 20:33 OldCoder The structure may be hosed 20:33 OldCoder The question is, are there any other measures to be tried? 20:33 OldCoder Is there any other way besides WorldEdit to repair a world? 20:34 VanessaE there's a tool, I think "worldsplice"? that can be used to some effect. 20:34 VanessaE windows-only I think 20:34 VanessaE don't know much about it or how to use it. 20:36 VanessaE "Impaired drivers are easy enough to spot. 20:36 VanessaE A drunk driver will run a stop sign 20:36 VanessaE The stoned driver waits for it to turn green." 20:36 VanessaE lol 20:37 RealBadAngel hehhe 20:38 OldCoder VanessaE, RealBadAngel Basically 30004 crashes on /clearobjects. I assume this means there is damage. Should I write it off and revert to backup? Or any other options? 20:39 VanessaE how old is your last known good backup? 20:39 OldCoder I need to check 20:39 OldCoder Hopefully not too old 20:40 RealBadAngel idk what to do with such kind of error 20:40 RealBadAngel i would try backup way 20:40 OldCoder We'll see 20:40 OldCoder Thank you 20:40 OldCoder I am out on an errand for a little while 21:09 marktraceur Hey, quick informal poll of the channel 21:09 KikaRz I love participating in polls. 21:09 VanessaE marktraceur: shoot 21:10 marktraceur If there were dedicated modders that worked full/part time on minetest mods, would that be worth a few dollars of donation to have a say in what they make? 21:10 KikaRz uh 21:10 KikaRz what? 21:10 marktraceur I'm not saying this is happening soon or ever, but some indication of the public perception would be useful for gauging the likelihood of it working 21:10 KikaRz explain well. 21:10 KikaRz If there were dedicated modders, they were payed? 21:11 KikaRz or what they were being payed? 21:11 marktraceur KikaRz: Yes, they would probably be paid employees of a non-profit. 21:11 VanessaE marktraceur: well I'd say it depends on how much of "a say" a given donation should allow, but in general I see nothing wrong with the idea. 21:11 KikaRz yep 21:12 VanessaE especially in this modern "time = money, and hobby time = time not spent on working" society (however much of a bullshit comparison it is) 21:13 marktraceur VanessaE: Probably something like "$10 gives you a vote in each decision that happens that month, $50 gives you nomination power for that month's decisions, $200 gives you preferred nomination power" or something similar....I mean, the amounts could float with supply and demand, but generally something tiered like that. 21:13 marktraceur Also possibly could use swag like t-shirts and stickers for intermediate donation amounts 21:13 VanessaE marktraceur: that sounds reasonable. 21:15 * marktraceur stashes away these thoughts for the future 21:15 * KikaRz gets dreaming on being a future dedicated modder with 1.000.000.000 €... 21:15 * KikaRz wakes up 21:15 KikaRz cool. 21:16 marktraceur KikaRz: Nonprofit salaries for engineers tend to be much lower :P (/me speaks from experience) 21:19 VanessaE I wonder if this is suitable as a kickstarter project? You know, something to the tune of "raise X dollars to pay for Y hours of full-time development on Minetest, spread across Z years." kind of thing 21:19 VanessaE with the benefit to the donators being...I dunno what :-) 21:21 marktraceur VanessaE: I was thinking of IndieGoGo, but yeah 21:21 VanessaE oh, I know, the swag idea as you mentioned. A $10 gets you a ready-to-install CD with win/linux builds and a collection of kickass mods, $50 gets you a life-sized foam pickaxe in your choice of texture pack styles, $200 gets you ... um.. I dunno what :-) 21:21 marktraceur VanessaE: The trouble is, asking for the amount I would need for a year (or even half a year) of life would probably not work.... 21:22 marktraceur VanessaE: You know me, I wouldn't build for Windows :) 21:22 VanessaE heh 21:23 marktraceur $10 gets you a nice custom GNU/Linux live CD with a minetest server installed on it and nice launch script options for different games 21:23 VanessaE marktraceur: and look who shows up at THAT moment. That's just too good :-) 21:23 marktraceur $50 maybe a nice t-shirt with logo of the organization (would need to make one, of course) 21:23 marktraceur $30 some stickers or so 21:24 marktraceur $100 for the pickaxe or any other tool you'd like (I don't judge the farmers in this world) 21:24 VanessaE that works :-) 21:25 marktraceur I could probably copy some of the GNU MediaGoblin rewards....sponsored commits, 3D figurines, stuff like that 21:25 VanessaE $200 gets you a foam pickaxe/etc. and a 5-second cameo spot on some professional featured video. 21:25 VanessaE right 21:25 marktraceur VanessaE: $200 and we'll let you host a demo video or, if you prefer, just act in a demo video 21:26 VanessaE right 21:26 VanessaE this definitely has potential - but how to market it? 21:26 KikaRz TV :D 21:26 KikaRz I can make the commercial 21:26 KikaRz :p 21:26 VanessaE $500 gets you all of the above plus a vote on a new name for the game :-) 21:26 marktraceur VanessaE: I think just the community would work fine....work on cool mods, mention the org and the campaign in the forum posts, and move on 21:27 marktraceur VanessaE: Also using other game communities....so it's not just Minetest, but other moddable free games as well 21:27 VanessaE good idea. 21:27 * marktraceur isn't sure if other games already have nonprofits around them, or.... 21:28 telek1 X.X 21:29 telek1 Basically: If you got open source mods, would you be willing to put minecraft-mod type money towards it :D 21:29 * marktraceur didn't know there was money in minecraft mods 21:29 VanessaE right 21:30 telek1 One of those things that's always funny: People will pay out the posterior for closed source apps, but even if they're good, the gaming community's perception towards OS mods/games/etc is still generally 'inferior' 21:30 VanessaE so...think we can raise 10 million bucks? :-) 21:30 marktraceur VanessaE: There's just no way. 21:30 telek1 Dunno, but a few people might be able to at least part-time their work. 21:30 telek1 Go look at Dwarf Fortress for an example 21:30 telek1 They've got up monthly donation reports. 21:30 * marktraceur could try devoting ten hours a week to this for a month or two as a trial, see if it goes well 21:31 telek1 They're at about 55k/year right now in donations. 21:31 VanessaE (when I last read, that was the figure quoted as Mojang's gross profits since the start) 21:31 telek1 Some of it is hype, some is merchandising, etc. 21:31 VanessaE $55k/yr is no small change 21:31 telek1 For one person no, for two maybe. 21:32 VanessaE well remember that this is $55k/yr on top of whatever these people are already making at their "day" jobs. 21:32 * telek1 isn't sure of their living/working conditions, so it's either a livable wage or bordering livable. 21:32 telek1 VanessaE: Assuming day jobs. They ARE from oregon :D 21:32 VanessaE heh 21:32 VanessaE ok, good point. 21:32 * marktraceur couldn't live on that, but is in San Francisco, where it's expensive as fuck 21:33 telek1 Going off other people I know from there unless you're in portland it's iffy. 21:33 telek1 marktraceur: Agreed. I'm your easternly neighbor :) 21:33 VanessaE (I have a friend who lives near Astoria I think it is... he used to tell me some pretty horrid stories about the general economy there) 21:33 telek1 If I had medical right now 55k wouldn't cover me either. 21:33 marktraceur telek1: East Bay, or Nevada? 21:33 telek1 >.< 21:33 telek1 You're leaving out a few places there :D 21:33 telek1 East of Davis, West of Auburn :D 21:34 marktraceur telek1: Well, I figure you're either talking about the city or the state 21:34 * telek1 is in the central valley. 21:34 marktraceur Hm, sort of northish 21:34 KikaRz Portugal sucks in economy 21:34 KikaRz :p 21:34 telek1 Eh. The highway says east :D 21:34 VanessaE marktraceur: how is it that my husband and I get by on $24k/yr and always seem to have a little money left over to have fun? Is there really THAT much of a disparity in this country? 21:34 telek1 KikaRz: You guys just need to get your navy back and imperialism :D 21:35 telek1 VanesaE: Yes. 21:35 VanessaE jeez 21:35 telek1 VannesaE: Cali is that messed up. 21:35 KikaRz telek1 21:35 KikaRz is not today that i finish the tower :/ 21:35 telek1 Funny part though is rent is hit or miss. 21:35 marktraceur telek1: Why wouldn't you have said "Sacramento"? 21:35 KikaRz Sacramento its a city 21:35 KikaRz or a state 21:35 VanessaE we live in West Carolina (= Blue Ridge Mountains area of North Carolina), guess we got it pretty good :-) 21:35 marktraceur KikaRz: State capital of California 21:36 KikaRz or that 21:36 KikaRz :P 21:36 telek1 I have a friend in Ohio who was paying as much for an apt as they would here (~550-750/mo 1-2 BR) but was making BELOW our minimum wage, despite having worked at the same job for the better part of a decade. 21:36 KikaRz telek 21:36 KikaRz you dont know how to spell VANESSA? 21:36 KikaRz its Vanessa 21:36 KikaRz not Vanesa or Vannesa 21:36 KikaRz '-' 21:36 telek1 marktraceur: I prefer to vague :) Also because I'm embarassed for Sacramento :D 21:36 VanessaE :P 21:36 KikaRz celeron is afraid of me :( 21:36 VanessaE telek1: you prefer to vague..what? (you left out a noun) ;) 21:37 KikaRz [21:33] There isnt a way to get sound in DIrect3D minetest? [21:33] go away [21:33] sry :( 21:37 KikaRz :/ 21:37 VanessaE KikaRz: oh ho ho ho ho 21:37 KikaRz thats santa claus 21:37 KikaRz i dont believe in santa claus 21:37 marktraceur I live near South VanNess, a road. 21:37 KikaRz i believe in Jesus Christ 21:37 VanessaE KikaRz: not afraid - he's just that way. quite the opposite in fact. 21:37 VanessaE oh G*D, don't bring up religion. 21:37 telek1 VanessaE: *be* x.x I think I need more caffeine :D 21:38 VanessaE telek1: just giving you a hard time ;) 21:38 paxcoder had this guy on linkedin called me an anglicized version of my name. i didn't mind, didn't think about it much. another poster ended roasted him nicely for it though. 21:38 NekoGloop I believe in my computer. 21:38 paxcoder up* 21:38 NekoGloop What religion would that be? 21:38 VanessaE KikaRz: Jesus was some dusty old carpenter who managed to become a rabbi. That's all. 21:39 telek1 In regards to religion: Take a lesson from Mr Rogers :) 21:39 VanessaE telek1: which would be..? :-) 21:39 OldCoder Bach 21:39 VanessaE OldCoder: Chopin. 21:39 marktraceur telek1: Puppetism? 21:39 paxcoder VanessaE, Jesus was the last of descendants of David, king of Israel 21:39 telek1 VanessaE: He was a Baptist Minister, but never brought it up on the show so children wouldn't feel left out based on differing beliefs. 21:39 VanessaE telek1: interesting. 21:40 KikaRz Hi Muadtralk 21:40 marktraceur telek1: But there weren't kids running around on the set saying "I believe in Jesus Christ" 21:40 telek1 There's also an awesome youtube clip up of his getting PBS a funding increase back in the late 60s early 70s. 21:40 OldCoder VanessaE, Chopin Droppin some tunes 21:40 VanessaE paxcoder: key word, "was". the man's dead, people. give it a resy. 21:40 VanessaE rest* 21:40 KikaRz SHut up with religions! 21:40 KikaRz :@ 21:40 paxcoder VanessaE, of course not. 21:40 VanessaE KikaRz: you started it. 21:40 KikaRz And you continued it. 21:40 KikaRz -.- 21:40 paxcoder Were he dead, there wouldn't be Christianity 21:41 telek1 marktraceur: Not that I saw. 21:41 paxcoder there were quite a few fake jewish messiah after him. 21:41 marktraceur KikaRz: We're not discussing religion, just how to handle people who bring it up inappropriately 21:41 VanessaE paxcoder: Christianity came about some 300 years after the guy croaked. 21:41 paxcoder *s 21:41 paxcoder VanessaE, wow, history fail 21:41 KikaRz .-. 21:41 paxcoder VanessaE, please look up st. Ignatius of Antioch, the disciple of John 21:41 paxcoder the guy wrote of Jesus in 104 AD if I'm not mistaken 21:42 VanessaE ok, 1054 years after. Even longer. 21:42 paxcoder plus, some parts of NT were written in the 1st ct. 21:42 telek1 Sadly a complete library of it isn't available to raise your kids on :( 21:42 VanessaE " The Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox patriarchates split from one another in the East–West Schism of 1054 AD, and Protestantism came into existence during the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century, splitting from the Roman Catholic Church.[7]" 21:42 paxcoder VanessaE, now you're being irrational 21:42 marktraceur paxcoder: I always thought Windows NT seemed primitive. 21:42 paxcoder VanessaE, so? 21:42 KikaRz Oh god. 21:42 paxcoder marktraceur, primitive how? 21:42 marktraceur paxcoder: Written in the 1st century 21:43 telek1 KikaRz: Lol, I think you've done a religious godwin of this channel :D 21:43 VanessaE paxcoder: so? so the guy's dead, and had been dead for centuries. It took a vote at the Council of Nicea to declare the guy divine. 21:43 paxcoder marktraceur, argumentum ad novarum? 21:43 paxcoder logical fallacy, buddy 21:43 paxcoder *novitatem? 21:43 KikaRz the god: ChanServ ? 21:43 KikaRz :p 21:43 telek1 Yep. 21:43 paxcoder VanessaE, how would you settle heresies? 21:43 telek1 The ChanServ is angry with you :D 21:43 Muadtralk hanging 21:43 Muadtralk its very simple 21:43 paxcoder VanessaE, of course they didn't make it up then. 21:43 marktraceur paxcoder: Not so, just saying it's funny you abbreviated "new testament" as "NT", which also is the name of the Windows kernel. 21:43 VanessaE paxcoder: I wouldn't, because this is modern times. Such shit belongs in the past. 21:44 KikaRz omg. 21:44 paxcoder Thomas says bowing to *live* Jesus: "My Lord and my God" 21:44 paxcoder VanessaE, you have a right to your petty badly thought-out opinioin 21:44 VanessaE of course my being Jewish has some bearing on my opinion, but so does experience, 21:45 paxcoder marktraceur, oh 21:45 Muadtralk I bow to his fordship 21:45 * Muadtralk makes the T symbol 21:45 telek1 Where IS harrison :D 21:45 VanessaE and experience says you need to get your house in order before you start foisting your opinions on the rest of us. The same is true, to a lesser extent, of my faith. 21:46 * telek1 broke up with a girlfriend over almost exactly that :D 21:46 VanessaE (note, I should say that "you" means the ubiquitous "you", not you personally0 21:46 paxcoder VanessaE, I'm not the head of the house. That's his job. 21:47 VanessaE paxcoder: "he" can't and won't do anything to force his followers to take a certain path. G*d said long ago that mankind has free will, including the freedom not to follow Him. 21:47 VanessaE so free will is what's causing multiple faiths to cause all the trouble they're causing. Not G*d, and not some intermediary. 21:47 paxcoder VanessaE, I meant the pope. Or I would've used a capital H 21:47 VanessaE who said anything about the Pope? 21:47 paxcoder I did 21:47 telek1 KikaRz: You loggin back in? 21:47 KikaRz nope 21:47 * marktraceur reminds VanessaE that we were going to *not* talk about religion 21:47 KikaRz im creating blocks 21:47 KikaRz to my mod 21:48 telek1 The Pope: That's a singular of the 'Popo' right? 21:48 VanessaE you are a participating member of that religion, therefore you are as responsible for getting your religion in order as the Pope is. 21:48 KikaRz There is already a remix mod? 21:48 telek1 KikaRz: Called the remix mod? I guess so. 21:48 paxcoder VanessaE, not the way he is 21:48 KikaRz (well, a mix of stone + wood + sand + desert stone + water ? 21:48 KikaRz well 21:48 KikaRz its not more blocks 21:48 KikaRz but yes 21:48 KikaRz a mix of them 21:48 telek1 Hrmm 21:48 VanessaE paxcoder: he only has the power ascribed to him because some group of people say he should. that's all. 21:49 paxcoder VanessaE, that's always the case, isn't it (from an atheistic POW)? 21:49 VanessaE Short of basic security that you might give to a president, there's nothing stopping someone from walking up and plugging him in the back of the head. 21:49 KikaRz Hi I 21:49 KikaRz how are you I ? 21:49 KikaRz xd 21:49 VanessaE which means that nothing is forcing the rest of a religion to follow what he says. 21:49 paxcoder VanessaE, what's your point? 21:50 telek1 Wonder if there's any good fastish physics simulation that could be combined with minetest's blocks to generate dynamic stresses in the game world, such that structures would collapse with insufficient foundation strength. 21:50 marktraceur Guest92706: Good try :) 21:50 paxcoder VanessaE, strangely, they do. Or they don't call themselves Catholics (for the most part) 21:50 VanessaE my point is it's all about free will. Your religion is a disgusting mess (sorry). Don't lay blame on some guy in Rome - Fix it yourself and tell him to take a hike. 21:50 Yahweh erm 21:50 Yahweh curse registered nicknames 21:50 ba Guest92706: This, in case you were wondering, was the first (alphabetically) non-taken, non-registered nick on Freenode, ca. two months ago. 21:50 ba Now I imagine it's something totally different. 21:50 paxcoder VanessaE, it's all about love. Free will is just the means to do or decide not to do that. 21:51 telek1 Lol! 21:51 VanessaE telek1: I think the problem with physics is everyone overthinks it. realistic physics is nice and all, but sometimes a 75% accurate simulation that runs 10x as fast is just as good in the eyes of the player. 21:51 KikaRz lol 21:51 VanessaE paxcoder: oh ho ho ho. don't even talk to me about love until your religion solves its homophobia. 21:51 KikaRz Yahweh is so fakez. 21:51 KikaRz xd 21:51 KikaRz kidding 21:52 telek1 VanessaE: I agree, but it'd be nice as an 'advanced' mod for people watching to put a bit more engineering though into it. I don't think it's something you'd want to do as a strictly scripted mod however. 21:52 KikaRz Yahweh, there is already a mod changing the blocks to mixing sand... stone... desert stone... ? 21:52 paxcoder VanessaE, I still don't see your point though, you're reiterating that I should somehow fix something. I neither know what it is that needs fixing nor how would I go about doing that. Either way, forsaking the pope is not the solution. It's been tried. 21:52 VanessaE telek1: oh sure. problem is, I don't think that can be done in Lua - not as an add-on to the rest of the game I mean. That would need tweaks to the engine. 21:52 paxcoder VanessaE, homophobia? Define that word for me, will you? 21:52 sdzen what? 21:53 * telek1 points VanessaE at what he said :D 21:53 VanessaE paxcoder: fear and hate of those who are gay, bisexual, etc. 21:53 sdzen KikaRz 21:53 telek1 I'm not disagreeing with you :) 21:53 KikaRz sdzen 21:53 VanessaE telek1: right, misread :-) 21:53 VanessaE paxcoder: which translates, currently, into denial of rights, murder, etc. 21:53 telek1 Is minetest currently single, or multithreaded? 21:53 VanessaE fix that shit before you talk about love. 21:53 paxcoder VanessaE, a phobia is an irrational fear. We collectively don't suffer from it, nor I personally 21:53 VanessaE telek1: single-threaded at the Lua level. 21:54 NekoGloop paxcoder: What, you think your fears are rational? 21:54 telek1 So all luascripts are run serially? Or each can be triggered in it's own thread? 21:54 VanessaE telek1: sorta multi-threaded at the client/server level - you can run them as different processes if you want, but that's about all. I'm not sure how much further that goes. 21:54 VanessaE they all run in series. 21:54 * telek1 nodnods. 21:54 VanessaE so an ABM in one mod can block the entire Lua engine and keep other mods from running 21:55 paxcoder NekoGloop, I have a fear of traditional family values being diluted, or the institution of marriage redefined. That fear is justified. 21:55 VanessaE oh boy. 21:55 NekoGloop paxcoder: No it isnt. 21:55 paxcoder NekoGloop, it is. Marriage is based on laws of nature. Gay "marriage" would redefine it. 21:55 VanessaE paxcoder: totally unjustified. Stop denying people their rights, stop killing or advocating the death of people. 21:55 NekoGloop Marriage is based on what laws of nature? 21:55 VanessaE marriage is based on the laws of man. not nature, not the bible. 21:56 KikaRz hahahahah 21:56 paxcoder VanessaE, what rights? who's advocating death? 21:56 NekoGloop Show me one point of your "marriage" in nature. Now. 21:56 KikaRz now are talking about... HOMOSSEXUAL MARRIAGE 21:56 VanessaE the laws of man can be changed. the bible can be proven to be a work of fan fiction and be thrown out. 21:56 KikaRz LOL 21:56 telek1 Actually for that matter: How many different definitions of marriage are there, just in the bible? 21:56 telek1 Or for the ending of marriage. 21:56 VanessaE paxcoder: search the web for it. 21:56 NekoGloop telek1: A couple hundred, probably. 21:56 paxcoder NekoGloop, marriage stems from procreation. Its purpose is such a union that would bring forth children. 21:56 VanessaE WRONG. 21:56 paxcoder VanessaE, for what? 21:57 VanessaE marriage stems from money. 21:57 VanessaE kingdoms joining for mutual protection. 21:57 KikaRz HEy, a block image is saved in PNG? 21:57 VanessaE or benefit. 21:57 OldCoder Heh. Like this isn't a bit off topic :-) 21:57 NekoGloop paxcoder: Its purpose is for two people two be together in love. 21:57 paxcoder VanessaE, procreation 21:57 telek1 paxcoder: If artificial wombs are available and the merging of genetic material, then does it matter if the womb is in one of the members or outside of them? 21:57 OldCoder Marriage Test 21:57 telek1 What about people who are sterile? 21:57 VanessaE paxcoder: you are dead wrong. 21:57 KikaRz come on 21:57 KikaRz someone can tell me 21:57 KikaRz nodes image is savedi n png? 21:57 paxcoder NekoGloop, no, procreation. I can love my friend without "marrying" him. 21:57 KikaRz *saved in 21:57 telek1 KikaRz: No it's not. 21:57 KikaRz so 21:57 paxcoder Also, my parents 21:57 KikaRz its in what? 21:57 VanessaE paxcoder: search the web for "Transgender Day of remembrance" for a good example of the killing I've heard about. 21:58 telek1 I'm not sure of the exact format, but I assume it's a data structure. 21:58 VanessaE search for phrases such as "right to association" . 21:58 paxcoder VanessaE, Any points can be brought up here. 21:58 NekoGloop paxcoder: Yet you deny the right to those who greatly love another of the same sex? 21:58 telek1 And they're stored in I think 16x16 node chunks. 21:58 KikaRz ... 21:58 paxcoder NekoGloop, what right? 21:58 KikaRz they are saved in png 21:58 VanessaE telek1: correct - mapblocks, those are called. 21:58 NekoGloop The right to marriage? 21:58 VanessaE paxcoder: the right people claim for themselves. that's what right. 21:58 NekoGloop The right to life? 21:58 paxcoder NekoGloop, not at all. Since marriage is a union between a man and a woman. 21:59 VanessaE paxcoder: only because you define it as such. 21:59 paxcoder VanessaE, nature does 21:59 VanessaE What is nature? 21:59 NekoGloop paxcoder: Last i recall, the white house doesnt allow goofing off on irc. 21:59 telek1 Nature defines marriage? 21:59 paxcoder all other unions are of different kind and purpose 21:59 telek1 Tell that to the monkeys :D 21:59 KikaRz they're saved in 32 bit, 24 or 8 ? Someone can tell me? VanessaE? NekoGloop? 21:59 VanessaE an antromorphic thing? G*d? Some entity? 21:59 telek1 Or the cats we've got inbreeding in my grandmother's yard :D 21:59 paxcoder telek1, I'm not talking about a rhino humping a van 21:59 VanessaE KikaRz: it varies, some fields are bytes, some are words. I don't know the exact format. 21:59 NekoGloop God used science to create the world. 21:59 NekoGloop Discuss. 21:59 paxcoder telek1, in fact, I'm talking against that 21:59 VanessaE NekoGloop: +100000 22:00 VanessaE science explains how. religion tries to explain why. 22:00 telek1 My point is only that it's only natural insofar as you were raised with it being natural or unnatural. 22:00 VanessaE but neither one has the right to define things. 22:00 NekoGloop He did it because he was lonely. Go figure. 22:00 VanessaE that right belongs to the people who want to apply a label. 22:00 paxcoder telek1, perhaps, but it still means redefinition 22:00 paxcoder *to change the meaning 22:01 VanessaE i.e. those who want to marry have the right to define what marriage is. 22:01 telek1 If you threw a bunch of kids into a large box without aid of religion for a few decades, do you think they would come out with the same belief's as someone raised as such? 22:01 VanessaE and why do you even care 22:01 VanessaE are you afraid it's going to spoil your marriage? 22:01 NekoGloop paxcoder: Just step outside of your goddamn biased POV and think from the POV of said homosexual individuals. 22:01 KikaRz omg 22:01 paxcoder telek1, I think marriage as it is has its purpose. Redefining marriage would make the word meaningless and allow for all kinds of directions contrary to its original purpose, procreation, which I support 22:01 telek1 I'm not trying to dissuade you from your opinion, only point out to you that you need to provide evidence beyond 'because'. 22:01 paxcoder NekoGloop, I'm not denying they have a hard time 22:01 marktraceur VanessaE: "If gay people are allowed to marry, then *everyone* can get married! Think of how the American family will be strengthened!" --Barney Stinson 22:02 VanessaE telek1: depends on how they were raise up to that point. If they were taught some basic realistic values, like murder is wrong and so forth, I think they'd develop just fine, hypothetically speaking that is. 22:02 marktraceur True story! 22:02 telek1 Because only works for people with the same belief's as you. 22:02 KikaRz Alert: Gay things rolling in IRC #minetest freenode chat. Evacuation in 1 minute... 22:02 KikaRz Alert: Gay things rolling in IRC #minetest freenode chat. Evacuation in 1 minute... 22:02 KikaRz '-' 22:02 ecube \o/ 22:02 NekoGloop paxcoder: Yet you enforce restrictions on them. 22:02 paxcoder NekoGloop, and I'm not saying I can't see why they'd want the redefinition. I still think it'd be detrimental to the society. 22:02 marktraceur KikaRz: Bye! 22:02 KikaRz Alert: Gay things rolling in IRC #minetest freenode chat. Evacuation in 30 seconds... 22:02 telek1 VanessaE: This is assuming basically babies who were fed far enough to be able to eat on their own. 22:02 NekoGloop Yet, you deliberatly try to make their lives difficult. 22:02 * telek1 waves @ KikaRz. 22:02 VanessaE paxcoder: why do you care how the word "marriage" is defined? Are you afraid that two guys/girls getting married going to spoil your marriage? 22:02 VanessaE answer that. 22:02 KikaRz Im not going out 22:03 KikaRz 20 seconds... 22:03 paxcoder NekoGloop, I'm simply supporting the established definitions. Other unions should have different labels. They can have contracts of different names if they want. Marriage, a building block of society, should stay intact. 22:03 KikaRz 10 seconds... 22:03 NekoGloop And, if you hadnt noticed, the world has a surplus of children. 22:03 KikaRz 3 22:03 KikaRz 2 22:03 KikaRz 1 22:03 KikaRz SUSPENDED SUBJECT 22:03 VanessaE telek1: oh sure, assuming the basic necessities are met and they all have equal standing to begin with, yeah. They'll probably be just fine, to the extent that a child can develop without the aid of a parent. 22:03 NekoGloop From orphanages to just on the streets. 22:03 telek1 That explains NekoGloop :D 22:03 KikaRz If you want to talk abotu that, go to Query please 22:03 ecube teh troll 22:03 KikaRz Well 22:03 KikaRz lets continue talking about minetest 22:03 NekoGloop KikaRz: Cant multiquery. 22:03 KikaRz and not from gay things 22:03 KikaRz :p 22:04 KikaRz yep 22:04 KikaRz they can 22:04 paxcoder VanessaE, It recognizes a union of no procreative value as equally valid. 22:04 KikaRz join #minetest-querychannel 22:04 NekoGloop KikaRz: Would you too like a kick in the ass? 22:04 VanessaE paxcoder: why do you care how the word "marriage" is defined? Are you afraid that two guys/girls getting married going to spoil your marriage? 22:04 marktraceur VanessaE: But if the states can't define marriage, then dual federalism is over and we're essentially only a federal government! /me voted for the Democratic-Republic candidate in the last election 22:04 paxcoder VanessaE, see above. 22:04 KikaRz omg 22:04 VanessaE paxcoder: answer my question. 22:04 paxcoder I did. 22:04 VanessaE no, you sidestepped it. 22:04 NekoGloop paxcoder: No you didnt. 22:04 NekoGloop You randomly said shit. 22:04 VanessaE paxcoder: why do you care how the word "marriage" is defined? Are you afraid that two guys/girls getting married going to spoil your marriage? 22:04 Kacey http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3821 my mod 22:04 VanessaE note the bold part. 22:05 * NekoGloop sees no bold part. 22:05 ecube ^ 22:05 marktraceur VanessaE, paxcoder, please PM abouth this. 22:05 telek1 Why not just abolish the word and everybody can be happy behind closed doors? :D Take the vermont approach: 'Don't ask, don't tell' :D 22:05 KikaRz Where are skins saved? 22:05 marktraceur about* 22:05 VanessaE oh, well it's bold on my screen. 22:05 NekoGloop marktraceur: I'm in this too. 22:05 KikaRz lol 22:05 KikaRz Yep, its only on IRC programs. 22:05 paxcoder VanessaE, marriage being redefined to be of lesser value than it is will be detrimental to society. 22:05 marktraceur NekoGloop, VanessaE, paxcoder, telek1, make ##mtflamewarshitstorm if you want 22:05 KikaRz like Xchat, IRCnet... 22:05 KikaRz etc 22:05 * NekoGloop has an irc program. 22:05 VanessaE kikaRz: skins are saved as player.png and player_back.png and can be placed anywhere that minetest looks for textures (usually /textures/all or as part of an installed texture pack 22:05 KikaRz where? 22:06 paxcoder marktraceur, I have no objections to relocation. 22:06 KikaRz No Player.png in textures/all 22:06 VanessaE paxcoder: and how exactly will that happen? 22:06 NekoGloop paxcoder: Marriage: A union between two individuals who are in love with eachother. 22:06 paxcoder VanessaE, NekoGloop #marriage if you're interested 22:06 NekoGloop Doesnt spoil anything. 22:06 Kacey hey vanessa http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3821 check out my mod 22:06 marktraceur Kacey: Broken link 22:06 telek1 Join the ## one mentioned above :) 22:07 Kacey how is it broken 22:07 telek1 Aww. 22:07 paxcoder NekoGloop, Marriage: see Friendship 22:07 KikaRz telek1, Please elaborate a better topic 22:07 KikaRz thats not too atractive 22:07 marktraceur Kacey: You only pasted part of the link, it seems 22:07 NekoGloop paxcoder: See homosexuality 22:07 telek1 Oh I dropped that when we were gonna change channels. 22:07 KikaRz SHUT THE HELL UP WITH GAY! 22:07 Kacey no i posted whole link 22:07 KikaRz Go to ##mtflamewarshitstorm 22:07 ecube gay gay gay 22:07 Kacey it works 22:07 NekoGloop KikaRz: Homophobe. 22:07 Kacey double click it 22:08 KikaRz No im not 22:08 KikaRz Im just tired to see Homossexual, gay, marriage 22:08 NekoGloop Yeah you are. 22:08 KikaRz etc 22:08 marktraceur Kacey: If you copy and paste it, but not if you click it 22:08 KikaRz telek1 22:08 KikaRz Link is wrong 22:08 Kacey double click it man 22:08 Kacey works for me 22:08 KikaRz http://ompldr.org/vZ2VhcA joins into the vZ2VhcA 22:09 KikaRz not in ompldr 22:09 OldCoder I think 30004 is dead 22:09 Kacey ooh that link 22:09 OldCoder Hmm 22:09 KikaRz Lets make a funeral 22:09 KikaRz :) 22:09 OldCoder We have no repair tools 22:09 Kacey NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! 22:09 OldCoder Kacey, There will be a ghost 22:09 KikaRz what Kacey? 22:09 OldCoder But the current one crashes on /clearobjects 22:09 Kacey the server died 22:09 OldCoder The world is corrupted 22:09 OldCoder Checking further 22:09 Kacey well then dont /clearobjects 22:10 OldCoder No 22:10 KikaRz poor server. 22:10 OldCoder That is my test 22:10 OldCoder If a world cannot /clearobjects then it is damaged 22:10 Kacey KikaRz that ompldr link works 22:10 KikaRz No it doesnt 22:10 KikaRz it goes to VZ2VhcA 22:10 ecube clearobjects causes minetest to catch the deadly SIGKILL 22:10 KikaRz it was supposed to go to: 22:10 KikaRz http://ompldr.org/vZ2VhcA 22:10 Kacey not for me it works fine 22:10 KikaRz O Firefox não consegue encontrar o servidor em www.vz2vhca.com. 22:10 Kacey it begins the download 22:11 ecube well, if there are too many objects 22:11 KikaRz In English: 22:11 ecube otherwise, it's fine 22:11 KikaRz The Firefox could not found the server in www.vz2vhca.com. 22:11 KikaRz xd 22:11 telek1 KikaRz: Which link? 22:11 KikaRz ... the block is from luigi 22:11 KikaRz -.- 22:11 OldCoder I will try gdb 22:11 OldCoder To save the world 22:11 KikaRz ill make him some glasses 22:11 ecube OldCoder: you have a server? 22:12 * telek1 nods. 22:12 KikaRz He host 19 worlds 22:12 KikaRz or more... 22:12 OldCoder ecube, About 19 22:12 ecube oh, i remember now 22:12 OldCoder Is that enough 22:12 OldCoder :-) 22:12 KikaRz OldCoder is the crazy scientist. 22:12 Kacey OldCoder i made my first block mod 22:12 ecube enough for them to catch the SIGKILL disease when you do /clearobjects 22:12 OldCoder I will /clearobjects inside gdb 22:12 OldCoder ecube, Go on 22:12 OldCoder Kacey, Oh? 22:12 ecube go on what? 22:13 OldCoder ecube, Explain 22:13 OldCoder ecube, Is there a useful theory? 22:13 Kacey yep it adds a weegee block 22:13 ecube no, when I make a server and there are too many objects and i /clearobjects, minetestserver gets killed within 10 minutes 22:14 Kacey imma make another mod 22:14 KikaRz what does /clearobjects? 22:14 ecube clearobjects is supposed to remove all the non-player entities 22:14 ecube i think 22:14 ecube is it? 22:14 KikaRz or all the drops? 22:15 KikaRz but how it generates so many drops»? 22:15 ecube it doesn't 22:15 ecube it's the nature mod you have to worry about 22:15 ecube when the blossoms decay, they drop as items 100% of the time 22:15 OldCoder ecube, continue if possible 22:16 ecube continue what? 22:16 KikaRz hey 22:17 harrison i the harrison am ubiquitous telek1 22:17 KikaRz who wants to make with me a chess mod? 22:17 KikaRz i make the chess platform 22:17 ecube that souunds fun 22:17 ecube what, we make the chess mechanics? 22:17 ecube that sounds lazy 22:17 telek1 harrison: :) 22:17 Kacey i think there is already one but i will work with you 22:18 telek1 Start with checkers then work to chess then maybe to go, or shogi. 22:18 Kacey ok 22:18 KikaRz lol 22:18 telek1 And that's assuming you've got enough space on a block or wherever for all the pieces. 22:18 KikaRz tomorrow 22:18 KikaRz ill make... 22:18 telek1 If not maybe make it a series of 'linkable' nodes that can link together into a board? 22:18 Kacey maybe we can use the arcade mod... 22:18 KikaRz 43 blocks :D 22:19 telek1 I still haven't played with that. 22:19 KikaRz problem: Configuring them all! *_* 22:19 ecube maybe we'll make 1 single node 22:19 telek1 How is the tetris mod? 22:19 ecube and the node is a chess board 22:19 KikaRz i can do 22:19 KikaRz the chess board 22:19 KikaRz '-' 22:19 Kacey brb 22:19 ecube lol 22:19 KikaRz Paint.NET its so COOL 22:19 KikaRz *_* 22:19 ecube Kacey: Y 22:19 KikaRz well 22:19 KikaRz Re-boot Universe... 22:20 KikaRz Y 22:20 KikaRz see ya tomorrow 22:20 OldCoder ecube, Your guess was correcct 22:20 KikaRz universe for me its rebooting 22:20 KikaRz :) 22:20 OldCoder *t 22:20 OldCoder KikaRz, bye 22:20 KikaRz :P 22:20 ecube what was my guess? 22:20 OldCoder ecube, it is SIGKILL 22:20 KikaRz Rebooting universe in my mind... 22:20 OldCoder What is happening during /clearobjects? 22:20 ecube Well, the server is abusing the computer's resources trying to remove all the items 22:21 OldCoder Hmm 22:21 OldCoder Which resources? RAM? 22:21 ecube i think so 22:21 ecube i'll try it out 22:23 ecube damn it, i didn't have enough items to cause sigkill 22:23 OldCoder it's fine 22:23 OldCoder testing 22:23 OldCoder ty 22:24 Kacey minetest.net doesnt work for me anymore 22:24 NekoGloop Remove hamachi then. 22:24 Kacey i did that 22:24 OldCoder Kacey, I am working on the world 22:25 telek1 It was acting up yesterday 22:25 telek1 C55 mentioned something about the domain resolving to his cell instead of his server or something weird like that. 22:26 ecube lol 22:26 telek1 Yep, unresolvable now. 22:26 telek1 ecube: Yeah it's really not funny :/ 22:27 OldCoder ecube, ty I think that was the issue 22:27 OldCoder May get the world back 22:27 ecube minetest.net goes to 5.9.130.165 for some strange reason 22:28 iqualfragile1 yeah, celeron55 fucked up with his dns 22:28 iqualfragile1 (feel alerted) 22:28 iqualfragile1 gn8 22:29 ecube he probably forgot to type some number 22:29 Kacey lol i am making a house out of weegee blocks 22:29 telek1 iqualfragile1: Night. 22:30 marktraceur Kacey: You should put your node in caves randomly, so it appears suddenly and hilariously 22:30 telek1 Hrmm 22:30 Kacey ooh an abm? 22:30 marktraceur Kacey: And if possible make it a light source only for one node, so that node is lit but no others are 22:30 telek1 Is it possible to have a mob 'stick' to a certain direction of blocks? 22:31 telek1 IE for having mobs that could walk on walls or ceilings? 22:31 telek1 What about re-orienting the player in another direction? 22:31 marktraceur Kacey: No, not an ABM, just an on_generated function that checks whether it can be seen (i.e., there's an adjacent air block and it's below ground otherwise) 22:32 Kacey marktraceur: that is an abm that doesnt replace a node 22:32 marktraceur telek1: You can set the entity's acceleration to positive 9.8 m/s^2 for stick-to-ceiling, and set its acceleration in the Z or X directions to some number if you want it to walk on walls. 22:32 marktraceur Kacey: It's not an ABM, you don't want it to happen more than once per generated block. 22:33 telek1 marktraceur: Won't it still be oriented towards the floor though? 22:33 marktraceur Kacey: on_generated. Look it up in the API docs. 22:33 marktraceur telek1: Not if you make the textures right :) 22:33 Kacey i cant right now because minetest.net doesnt work 22:33 telek1 marktraceur: ::D 22:33 marktraceur Kacey: You have the code checked out, right? doc/lua_api.txt 22:34 Kacey ? 22:34 Kacey omg i feel stupid 22:35 marktraceur Kacey: Don't, it's something us old hats know :) 22:35 Kacey that doc folder seemed useless to me lol 22:40 OldCoder Kacey, can you check 30004 world for me in a little while? 22:40 OldCoder See if it looks right to you? 22:40 Kacey sure 22:42 telek1 Where is the see for a previously generated work stored? 22:42 Kacey i know what my next mod will be!!!!! 22:42 * telek1 wanted to check how one of his legacy worlds looks with all the mods currently on it used to generate the starting terrain over again. 22:44 kaeza hey! 22:45 kaeza Is the forum down again? 22:45 Kacey yep 22:46 kaeza :( 22:46 Kacey c55 is having problems with minetest.net 22:49 kaeza What provider is c55 using for minetest.net? I'll add it to my black list. 22:49 kaeza :) 22:49 Kacey idk 22:49 Kacey OldCoder i am making a new mod 22:49 kaeza wanted to post some images. Does InfinityProject come here? 22:50 Kacey nope 22:50 kaeza Sorry I'm new to this IRC thing. 22:51 Kacey dont worry we all were at one point in time 22:52 kaeza Thanks Kacey. May I ask what mod are you planning? Just being a bit curious... 22:52 Kacey sharpening mod 22:52 Kacey my second mod 22:52 kaeza Sharpening in what sense? 22:52 OldCoder Kacey, Good 22:52 OldCoder kaeza, Hi 22:52 kaeza hi OldCoder 22:52 OldCoder kaeza, Welcome! 22:52 OldCoder Pull up a chair 22:53 OldCoder There is a place for you at a the table :-) 22:53 kaeza Thanks :P 22:53 Kacey like it makes an ore that has a stone in it 22:53 Kacey with that stone, you can smelt it into an ingot 22:53 Kacey with that ingot you can sharpen (repair) your tool 22:54 kaeza Oh I see. That's cool. I really hate when I have to use three MESE blocks to make a new pickaxe. 22:55 Kacey hey it take 9 mese blocks to make a nyan cat block on my crafting mod 22:55 Matsetes Somebody knows Mob framework? 22:55 Kacey ? 22:56 telek1 Matsetes: mobf? No. 22:56 kaeza Yeah, so for both your mod, and Jeija's MeseCons you need A LOT of Mese. So wasting three blocks when you can repair is a good thing. 22:56 telek1 Technic (or whichever submod provides it) has those really nice tool repair booths 22:57 Kacey no that crafting one is for makin mese and nyancat 22:57 telek1 That sure seems necessary for some of the more difficult to produce pieces of equipment. 22:57 kaeza Matsetes: What about it? 22:57 Kacey and my weegee one uses a bit of mese too 22:58 kaeza Sorry, I meant it would be better to repair than to craft a new one. 23:02 Kacey Hey Doc22 i made a weegee mod 23:02 Doc22 a what mod? 23:02 Doc22 show me 23:02 Doc22 whats the lin 23:02 Doc22 link 23:02 Kacey it is down right now... 23:02 Kacey the link is on the forum topic 23:02 Doc22 just discovered that... 23:02 Kacey lol 23:02 Kacey i am making a new mod 23:02 Doc22 dang ill have to scour the recycling bin 23:03 Doc22 whatzit gunna be 23:03 VanessaE fuck a duck, the minetest forums are down again?? 23:03 Kacey sharpening 23:03 Kacey yep 23:03 ecube blame the DNS 23:03 NekoGloop VanessaE: Why would one fuck a duck? 23:03 kaeza yet again :( 23:04 Kacey want to see it so far doc? 23:04 telek1 VanessaE: Isn't that off the minetest.net IP? 23:04 Doc22 huh 23:04 ecube the minetest forums themselves are probably up, but the dns doesn't point to it 23:04 Doc22 sure 23:04 VanessaE telek1: aye. 23:04 Doc22 hmmm 23:04 Kacey do you have teamviewer 23:04 Doc22 crappy service then 23:05 VanessaE NekoGloop: same reason one would screw a kangaroo or finger-bang an orangutan - because it'll create an orgy at the zoo. 23:05 VanessaE sorry, that was bad I know. 23:05 NekoGloop Lol 23:05 kaeza ecube: does that mean I can connect if I use direct IP? 23:05 ecube Yes 23:05 NekoGloop kaeza: Perhaps. 23:05 ecube but what's the direct IP? 23:05 ecube Well, yes, if the direct IP is up 23:06 ecube I'm sure it is 23:06 telek1 That 5. one is the cell, not the server though, right? 23:06 ecube minetest.net doesn't point to the IP 23:07 telek1 Hence you'd need to know the original non-5 IP to connect. 23:07 ecube the DNS is up and the IP is probably up, but the DNS doesn't point to the IP 23:07 telek1 And set your hosts file with it, otherwise it wouldn't pass the 'virtual servername' to the server properly so it'd display the right website. 23:07 ecube it had nothing to do with your local files 23:08 kaeza Unfortunately a WHOIS is out of the question 23:08 OldCoder NekoGloop, Hi 23:08 OldCoder BTW folks... 23:08 ecube i don't use whois 23:08 OldCoder cornernote says hello 23:08 OldCoder Sort of 23:08 kaeza hello to cornernote then :P 23:09 OldCoder If he comes back 23:09 kaeza ? 23:10 Matsetes I have troubles with the forum website... 23:11 ecube the DNS that points to it points to the wrong place 23:11 Kacey haha oops forgot to make background transparent 23:11 kaeza Matsetes: It's down 23:11 Matsetes Oh, damn! 23:12 Matsetes Until when? 23:12 Doc22 there 23:13 kaeza IDK 23:13 kaeza Is c55 out there? 23:14 ecube unlikely 23:17 OldCoder I could run new forums but I'd rather repair the old ones 23:18 OldCoder Is this just a Hamachi issue? 23:19 kaeza Maybe switch to a better host 23:20 kaeza IDK which one to suggest. PS: I meant DNS service 23:26 Octupus Hola 23:26 kaeza hola 23:27 kaeza hola pul 23:27 kaeza po 23:27 telek1 OldCoder: Now it's a DNS resolver issue, according to c55 yesterday 23:28 OldCoder O.K. 23:29 OldCoder telek1, Access to site by IP does not work? 23:30 Octupus hi DOc22 23:30 telek1 OldCoder: Didn't the other day. It's a virtual server and without the right domainname passed to it it was giving an errorpage. 23:30 Doc22 hey octu 23:30 Doc22 wanna play on my server octu? 23:30 Doc22 i freed up memory for it 23:30 Octupus Sure Doc 23:30 Doc22 and btw where did kacey go 23:30 Octupus idk 23:31 Doc22 ok 23:32 RealBadAngel minetest.net had an ip like 5.9.130.165 ? 23:32 RealBadAngel looks like hamachi ip 23:32 OldCoder telek1, I can fix that 23:32 OldCoder telek1, I can run a DNS that is configured properly 23:32 OldCoder But 23:32 OldCoder People would need to use it explicitly; so never mind 23:32 T_A_N_K Doing server test 23:32 telek1 OldCoder: Agreed. 23:34 kaeza I for me, don't mind 23:34 T_A_N_K first 8 people on hamachi server testminetestmine and testminetestmine1 can help 23:34 Octupus i delete my hamachi T_A_N_K and heelo :) 23:35 T_A_N_K hi neglopus 23:35 kaeza RealBadAngel: the IP doesn't seem to work 23:35 NekoGloop Meow. 23:35 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/inv.png 23:35 Octupus hi 23:35 RealBadAngel current state of creative for technic 23:36 kaeza RealBadAngel: What is that? 23:36 kaeza oh nevermind 23:37 RealBadAngel technic player inventory menu 23:38 kaeza I haven't tested technic yet. What are those on the right? 23:38 RealBadAngel just tiles to plan the grid where items will be shown like in creative inventory 23:39 telek1 Is it possible to make scripts just fail instead of raising an exception? 23:40 RealBadAngel i dont think so 23:40 kaeza I've been having the same idea. Whether creative inv would be bigger. With Unifieddyes and unifiedbricks you have about 50 pages IIRC. 23:41 kaeza telek1: what do you mean? 23:41 RealBadAngel it will be way faster than old creative 23:41 RealBadAngel first of all those will be buttons 23:41 RealBadAngel press to get the stack 23:41 kaeza RealBadAngel: +1 for that 23:41 kaeza heck + 23:42 kaeza 2000 23:42 marktraceur telek1: What do you mean? Failing mods? 23:42 kaeza Maybe use `pcall' from Lua? 23:42 telek1 marktraceur: animal mod and some others, like the ='nil' failure VanessaE was mentioning earlier. 23:43 jin_xi hi all 23:43 kaeza hi jin_xi 23:43 RealBadAngel kaeza, i think usable version will be out tommorow 23:43 kaeza cool 23:43 kaeza If the forum is up though :) 23:43 telek1 It's ok if a mod fails on startup, but ones that randomly fail during operation are a PITA 23:44 RealBadAngel ive integrated by now, cornernotes homepos, bags, added crafting guide 23:44 RealBadAngel now are those buttons left 23:45 kaeza telek: I know that feel bro. Maybe we could just print exceptions as warnings? This would require C+ 23:45 kaeza + 23:45 kaeza I think 23:45 T_A_N_K I think my server is the first one with technic 8) 23:45 kaeza Sorry the plus sign somehow is pressing my enter key 23:45 RealBadAngel print warnings and allow maltuction mods to work? 23:45 RealBadAngel thats actually bad idea 23:45 telek1 kaeza: Should be possible with lua too, but I'm not sure what would be required script-wise to do it. 23:46 VanessaE kaeza: more like 65 pages with unifieddyes and the stuff that uses it :-) 23:46 RealBadAngel add like 20 pages of stairs+ ;) 23:46 kaeza RealBadAngel: Maybe make a "Testing" game option that allows that? 23:47 telek1 RBA: Can't disagree it could be bad, but having to remove say the animal mod and clean up all the now undefined mobs wandering around as purple squares can be just as frustrating. 23:47 RealBadAngel no way, mods could do total mess in the world 23:48 kaeza Actually I have that very problem right now. I think the MOBS are bugging my map. I removed the mod but get LOTS of "Unknown object"s. How do I get rid of them? 23:48 RealBadAngel telek: /clearobjects and purple monsters are gone 23:49 kaeza nevermind 23:49 kaeza already answered 23:49 kaeza Didn't know that RBA 23:49 kaeza thanks 23:49 RealBadAngel np 23:52 kaeza Maybe one could hook for example minetest.register_node, and make it return wrap 23:52 kaeza HELL ENTER 23:53 kaeza Maybe one could hook for example minetest.register_node, and make it return a wrapper that calls it's on_punch through pcall. Just an idea. 23:55 telek1 RBA: Doesn't that clear all mobs, not just purple ones? 23:56 VanessaE kaeza: that clears all entities, which includes all mobs. 23:56 telek1 Also what happened to the rats and is there a mod that re-enables them? 23:56 VanessaE (entities can also be dropped objects like a block of dirt though) 23:56 VanessaE rats were removed in 0.3.1->0.4.x, you can get them back with the MOBF mod. 23:56 VanessaE (I think) 23:57 telek1 And wasn't it post 0.4? 23:57 telek1 Or was 0.3.1 the first mod version 23:59 kaeza VanessaE: That's exactly what I want. I believe it also deletes carts I think; I believe they are entities after all.