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00:50 Kacey hello
00:51 Kacey im trying to think of a good mod to make
00:52 telek What feature has been annoying you that minetest doesn't have?
00:53 Kacey freecam view
00:53 telek That may require in-client software modifications.
00:54 Kacey not reaally just some evolution of minetest
00:55 * telek shrugs and dunnos then.
00:56 Kacey hmmmmm what does everyone want from a mod?
00:57 Kacey how about a crafting recipe for mese?
00:58 Kacey or nyan cat and the rainbow?
00:59 marktraceur Kacey: Try to think of something that will add to the gameplay, then come up with the ingredients later
00:59 Kacey but i am too lazy to go and try to find mese and nyancat so a crafting would be really good
01:00 marktraceur Kacey: Yes, but mese and nyancat are part of the tech tree. You aren't furthering the gameplay, you're shortening it.
01:01 Kacey im thinking 9 mese to make a nyan cat and one nyan cat to make a rainbow
01:01 Kacey but how to make mese?
01:01 NakedFury when you play what do you miss from other games or want in the game? think of stuff that can be done with lua not c++
01:02 Kacey a crafting recipe for the rare blocks
01:02 NakedFury that would make them common
01:03 Kacey not really
01:04 Kacey i am going to use some of the partially rare (like steel blocks and stone) to make the mese
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01:08 Kacey writing the mod for mese crafting
01:11 Kacey looking good
01:14 Kacey k written
01:15 Kacey testing
01:17 Kacey ok error failed to load and run the init.lua
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01:19 Kacey how do i fix this?
01:21 Kacey any expierienced modders know?
01:21 marktraceur Kacey: Pastebin the entire output, please.
01:21 Kacey just a crafting recipe
01:21 Kacey for mese
01:22 Kacey fixed it
01:24 marktraceur Kacey: In the future, that message means there's an error, but it's not the actual error.
01:24 Kacey lol i fixed it anyway
01:24 marktraceur Kacey: You need to look at the debug output, and pastebin the entire error, as well as the code (ideally) in order for us to help
01:25 Kacey i got it
01:26 Kacey ha oops
01:27 Kacey k it works
01:29 Kacey OldCoder i am writing a mod
01:31 Kacey ok how do i do a shapless recipe?
01:32 Kacey nm got it
01:48 NakedFury making rules for the server is hard work
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02:04 OldCoder Hey
02:11 * telek waves.
02:12 telek Night!
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02:30 Scriminamp hello
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02:44 OldCoder mauvebic, Hi
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02:52 Kacey hello
02:53 Kacey i wrote my first mod
02:55 Kacey anyone online?
02:56 * Kacey hugs VanessaE with a rather large squid
02:59 Kacey nobody...
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03:40 Doc22 hey NakedFury, I see you are the maker of DokuPack... Would you make your pack compatible with my campfire mod?
03:40 Doc22 http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3794
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03:41 Doc22_ There...
03:41 Doc22_ stupid shutdown
04:17 marktraceur Hrm. What does the channel think might be a good way to search for a craft result? I'm thinking of offering registration of specific craft recipes in a mod.
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08:10 paranoiks hi all
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10:00 KikaRz Hi there
10:00 KikaRz good morning
10:00 KikaRz some one there?
10:02 thexyz no
10:04 KikaRz well
10:04 KikaRz im in a school computer
10:04 KikaRz telek, are oyu there ?
10:05 KikaRz *you
10:06 thexyz just ask what you need
10:06 thexyz there's no point in asking whether someone here or not
10:07 KikaRz I'm chatting
10:08 KikaRz i dont need anythng
10:15 KikaRz well
10:15 KikaRz telek, why you did that hole into the tower?
10:15 KikaRz well, that one with some stairs
10:15 KikaRz you or USA
10:16 KikaRz in 3 hours, ill be here again
10:16 KikaRz kisses
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14:15 RealBadAngel hi all
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14:35 KikaRz Hi there! :D
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14:41 RealBadAngel hi
14:41 FreeFull Hi
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14:50 OldCoder Good morning
14:59 redcrab Hi there ...
15:01 redcrab I 've got an issue with minetestmapper.py ... so an python dev friend may help me .... during map generation it fails with this trace :
15:01 redcrab Processing sector 27600 of 27929 (98.8%) (ETA: 0m 34s)
15:01 redcrab Processing sector 27800 of 27929 (99.5%) (ETA: 0m 13s)
15:01 redcrab Drawing image
15:01 redcrab Traceback (most recent call last):
15:01 redcrab File "./minetestmapper.py", line 695, in <module>
15:01 redcrab impix[x - minx * 16 + border, h - 1 - (z - minz * 16) + border] = (r, g, b)
15:01 redcrab TypeError: an integer is required
15:01 redcrab Any idea ?
15:05 KikaRz back
15:05 KikaRz redcrab
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15:05 KikaRz i can recover my pass? :/
15:05 KikaRz i forgot my redcrab password
15:06 FreeFull redcrab: Maybe you have the wrong version of python
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15:14 redcrab KikaRz : please post on forum your issue ... please precise on witch server do you play ... Mt 0.3.1 port 30001, or Mt 0.4 port 30000  or Mt 0.4.3 port 30401 or Mt 0.4.3 port 30402 ... currently you do not exist on 30401...
15:15 redcrab FreeFull : currently I use Python 2.6.8 ... how to know if it is correct ?
15:16 KikaRz 0.4 i guess
15:16 KikaRz yep
15:16 KikaRz it is
15:16 KikaRz i was there
15:16 KikaRz at 5 months that i forgot my password
15:16 KikaRz or less.
15:16 redcrab KikaRz : wich port ?
15:17 KikaRz 30000 i guess
15:17 KikaRz try to find in 0.4
15:17 redcrab on wich port do you do your login attempt ?
15:18 KikaRz 30000
15:18 redcrab what Minetest version do you use ,n
15:18 redcrab ?
15:22 KikaRz well
15:22 KikaRz im going to install 0.4.1 again
15:22 KikaRz because my house is there
15:22 KikaRz i got 0.4.3 now
15:22 KikaRz but i was liking 0.4.1
15:22 KikaRz :8
15:22 KikaRz :(
15:22 KikaRz well, i need to go
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15:22 KikaRz in few minutes ill come back
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15:23 KikaRz redcrab, idk if my nick in there is this
15:23 KikaRz or if its DracoPT
15:23 KikaRz or something
15:23 KikaRz well, later we'll try again
15:23 KikaRz kisses
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15:24 redcrab KikaRz your password is reset now.
15:25 redcrab KikaRz-AwayChess : your password is reset now
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15:32 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
15:33 Doc22 hey
15:33 Doc22 NekoGloop
15:34 Doc22 how do you make talinite pick
15:34 Doc22 I have steel sticks and talinite block
15:34 NekoGloop Ask octu
15:34 Doc22 ok
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15:43 john_minetest Hello.
15:44 Matsetes Hello
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16:22 Jordach OldCoder SEE PM
16:22 OldCoder Hey
16:24 Calinou yey, in 24 hours I went from 151 comment karma to 130 comment karma
16:24 Calinou did the best comment ever
16:24 Calinou -17 points
16:24 Calinou </reddit>
16:26 Calinou I HAVE BEEN UPVOTED!!oneone1
16:26 Calinou -16 now
16:26 * Jordach makes 1900 diff. reddit accounds
16:26 Jordach accounts
16:26 Jordach upvotes Calinou 1900 times
16:26 Calinou do it :D
16:30 VanessaE good day all.
16:30 * VanessaE wanders in, rubs eyes, flops down on an empty spot on the channel sofa.
16:31 PilzAdam hi VanessaE
16:31 VanessaE hey hey
16:31 PilzAdam should we talk about junglegrass?
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16:32 VanessaE no :-)
16:32 Calinou hi
16:32 VanessaE you forget, my junglegrass is perlin noise based.  Don't want it growing in your house?  Don't build a house in a patch of jungle grass, or use something besides a dirt or sand floor :-)
16:32 KikaRz Hi there :D
16:33 KikaRz thank  you redcrab: )
16:33 KikaRz redcrab, did the world reseted? (0.4.1) ?
16:33 KikaRz or its the same ever?
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16:33 Doc22 heya
16:33 PilzAdam VanessaE, spawning junglegrass in mapgen is the "default" way, so it should be in the default game; growing junglegrass should be an additional mod
16:33 KikaRz Welcome
16:33 Doc22 thanks
16:34 KikaRz my head hurts
16:34 Doc22 lol
16:34 Doc22 drink water
16:34 VanessaE PilzAdam: the problem is how to synchronize the growing code against the proposed mapgen-based code.
16:35 VanessaE and if you're gonna mapgen the jungle grass, then put jungle trees back in.
16:35 VanessaE but those HAVE to be done in C++ or they'll be too damn slow (sorry to bas080, it's the truth)
16:36 NekoGloop I made it so you have to craft a jungle sapling
16:36 john_minetest Possibility: Jungle grass seed spawns and it grows with a mod.
16:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: I don't want to create two separate junglegrass distributions - wherever the mapgen puts it, I need to adjust my perlin seed to grow there also.
16:36 NekoGloop VanessaE: See: Dry grass.
16:37 NekoGloop s/grass/shrubs/
16:37 VanessaE NekoGloop: note that my junglegrass mod creates dry shrubs :-)
16:37 NekoGloop VanessaE: Note that the mapgen.lua of default makes dry shrubs on mapgen.
16:37 VanessaE yep I know.
16:37 VanessaE just pointing it out
16:38 Doc22 id like to report a bug
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16:38 NekoGloop Then do so
16:38 Doc22 when someone destroys a locked sign that isnt theirs
16:38 Doc22 the server shuts down
16:38 babyface1031 whats the bug dic
16:38 VanessaE my mod is 100000x better than the proposed mapgen version :-)
16:38 VanessaE sorry PilzAdam  :-)
16:38 Doc22 and babyface its Doc not dic...
16:38 Doc22 lol
16:38 NekoGloop +k
16:38 NekoGloop +k
16:38 babyface1031 sorry missed typed
16:39 Doc22 ok
16:39 babyface1031 i and o are right next to each other sorry
16:44 john_minetest for what is dry shrub used?
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16:58 KikaRz Welcome Back Celeron
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17:16 marktraceur KikaRz: How's your mod coming?
17:16 KikaRz soon :)
17:16 KikaRz but not too much
17:16 KikaRz just more blocks
17:16 KikaRz and a...
17:16 KikaRz well
17:16 KikaRz i cant tell this
17:16 KikaRz its secret
17:20 marktraceur KikaRz: Hopefully it won't be for long!
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17:21 KikaRz well
17:21 KikaRz it can be for long.
17:23 marktraceur KikaRz: How do you mean?
17:24 marktraceur Also, /me apologizes to those who can't download via git, but the industry modpack isn't ready for public release (read: people who can't install git) until probably tomorrow.
17:25 * Calinou segfaulted when he joined gameboom
17:25 KikaRz hey
17:25 Calinou marktraceur: (read: people who use windows)
17:25 KikaRz i can download it? *-*
17:25 Calinou FTFY
17:25 Calinou also, you can download a .tar.gz from gitorious (if you're using gitorious) or github
17:25 Calinou the feature is quite hidden
17:25 marktraceur Calinou: Windows users have many awesome options for installing git
17:26 marktraceur Calinou: Actually no :P
17:26 KikaRz i can download it?
17:26 marktraceur Calinou: I'm using git submodules to distribute, .tar.gz will give them useless empty directories
17:26 Calinou github on windows == terrible, cygwin = too hard to use for average windows user
17:26 Calinou ah
17:26 marktraceur Calinou: I'll be making a distribution tarball as soon as I can, but right now is not the time....I want factories before distributing it in tarball form.
17:27 KikaRz CAN I DOWNLOAD IT?
17:27 KikaRz omg
17:28 KikaRz nobody hear me :(
17:28 john_minetest yay! just tried out 3d player patch (the new one with meshes). WOW!!!
17:29 john_minetest fantastic!
17:29 marktraceur KikaRz: YES.
17:29 Calinou KikaRz: why can't you download via git? you said you are on linux
17:29 VanessaE wonder how long before that gets pushed to upstream
17:30 marktraceur KikaRz: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3804
17:30 Jordach VanessaE - i give you two weeks
17:30 Calinou VanessaE: it'll be pushed on 2012-12-21
17:30 VanessaE HQ!
17:30 VanessaE HA!
17:30 marktraceur Yay, solstice!
17:30 KikaRz calinou
17:32 KikaRz i got 2 systems
17:32 KikaRz but i cant play minetest in linux
17:32 VanessaE why?
17:32 KikaRz well, marktraceur, ill try to get cygwin working by myself :P
17:32 KikaRz VanessaE, my graphics card is not too good
17:33 marktraceur KikaRz: My friends often suggest 'git bash', not cygwin
17:33 KikaRz git bash is for windows?
17:33 VanessaE KikaRz: I've played it on a 1.6GHz laptop with Mobility Radeon 9600 (with Gallium3d driver) and it's playable there.
17:33 KikaRz VanessaE
17:33 VanessaE (circa 2005 I think)
17:33 KikaRz I've already compiled it there
17:33 KikaRz and my graphics card is not that
17:33 KikaRz its a NViDia GeForce 2 MX/MX 400
17:33 KikaRz too stupid.
17:33 KikaRz And laggy in OpenGL (Linux)
17:34 marktraceur KikaRz: Generally, http://openhatch.org/missions/git
17:34 Calinou marktraceur: canhttp://ompldr.org/vZ2U4eQ/industry-modpack.zip
17:34 VanessaE an MX400 is slow but it should still be playable as long as you're using the binary nVidia legacy driver
17:34 Calinou marktraceur: this?
17:34 Calinou packaged the whole thing 8)
17:34 marktraceur Calinou: Cheers, thanks, maybe post it on the forum, but I'm standing by my not-ready-for-release statement
17:34 Calinou k
17:35 VanessaE Calinou: nVidia 99, AMD 3. :-)
17:35 Calinou AMD -3 you mean
17:36 VanessaE heh
17:36 * VanessaE randomly pokes sfan5.
17:36 * sfan5 randomly pokes back to VanessaE
17:37 VanessaE :D
17:37 marktraceur VanessaE: Oh, come on, that was totally the opposite of random! /me throws hands up in frustration at the lack of language boundaries
17:37 VanessaE marktraceur: you forgot about the concept of local non-randomness :D
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17:55 KikaRz calinou
17:55 KikaRz i shall use that link? :p
17:55 * VanessaE pokes at PilzAdam for signs of life
17:56 * PilzAdam is testing some buggy pull requests
17:56 VanessaE PilzAdam: read your messages :-)
17:56 PilzAdam I am
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18:03 Kacey hello
18:05 babyface1031 hi
18:05 Kacey i wrote a mod
18:06 Kacey i am writing another now
18:06 * Kacey slaps OldCoder with a rainbow trout
18:07 Kacey haha i found the slap button
18:09 marktraceur Kacey: Hey, FYI, you should ask questions instead of asking if people are around to answer questions
18:09 marktraceur Kacey: It makes it easier for us to answer quickly :)
18:09 Kacey ooh ok
18:09 Kacey i am writing a new mod :-d
18:10 Calinou KikaRz: yes, you can
18:10 marktraceur Kacey: Also, staying online for at least an hour after asking is a good idea, people may be (probably are) doing other things that aren't IRC, especially in this channel :)
18:10 KikaRz what it got ?
18:10 marktraceur Kacey: Did you have a question about it?
18:10 KikaRz things for technic?
18:10 * KikaRz slaps Kacey with a fake Nyan Cat's Rainbow.
18:10 KikaRz i found a special button!
18:10 Kacey no i just wanted to tell you guys and it is an independant mod
18:11 marktraceur Kacey: It would be cool to see! Where is it?
18:11 Kacey havent finished yet
18:11 marktraceur Kacey: K, well, we're excited to see it. Keep it up :)
18:11 Kacey it adds a weegee block that lights up really bright
18:13 Calinou you're the 50001st person to make a mod that add a random block that makes light
18:13 Calinou :D
18:13 Kacey really bright light though
18:15 Calinou really bright, you mean like lava? :|
18:15 Calinou that's the brightest you can do
18:15 Kacey brighter
18:15 marktraceur Calinou: Clearly there's some magic involved
18:15 Kacey i can find the loophole for it
18:15 marktraceur Kacey: There's a set scale for brightness, there's no way around that.
18:15 Calinou you'd have to make a TERRIBLE AND SLOW hack to make something "brighter" (larger light radius)
18:16 Kacey ooh ok i guess the brightest it can go
18:16 Calinou lava brightness is the brightest possible..
18:16 Kacey ok
18:17 Calinou so you've made a lava block that doesn't hurt, is solid and has a different texture, nothing more :D
18:17 marktraceur Kacey: Actually, you could register a new node that's like "air_lit" and on_place you can replace immediate neighbors that are air with air_lit, then you'd have a slightly bigger radius
18:17 Kacey almost it also has a crafting
18:17 Calinou marktraceur: that was my terrible and slow hack
18:17 marktraceur Calinou: Well yeah, but it might be an interesting problem for Kacey to solve, at least :)
18:18 Kacey what is the brightness for lava?
18:18 marktraceur Kacey: 16 or so
18:18 Calinou marktraceur: what if you build nodes in the air_lit nodes then remove these nodes?
18:18 Calinou they should go back automagically, don't forget :P
18:18 Calinou what about lava/water flowing into those? you'll have to make liquids destroy your node temporarily
18:18 Kacey hmm i guess ill check the init of default
18:19 marktraceur Calinou: on_dig should be able to deal with that....find immediate neighbors, if they've been set as air_lit and aren't immediate neighbors with another of your magic blocks, then set it back to air
18:20 marktraceur Calinou: And making sure air_lit is the same as air should be enough for flowing stuff and replacing stuff....is_buildable_to, I think, is the flag
18:21 john_minetest best light mod ever: /time 12000  . lights more than lava.
18:22 KikaRz Noupe.
18:22 KikaRz 6000.
18:23 KikaRz Why celeron55 dont does a brightness adjuster, a FOV adjuster, chat adjuster etc?
18:23 KikaRz like, changing chat from the top left of the window
18:23 KikaRz to the left bottom
18:24 KikaRz Kacey mod will bug 100% :P
18:24 KikaRz like: COOL... I CANT SEE ANYTHING
18:24 Kacey no im using lava light
18:24 KikaRz ok.
18:24 KikaRz so, you're not going to get more brighter than lava.
18:24 KikaRz liar :c
18:25 Kacey i found out that i cant
18:25 marktraceur john_minetest: /time 5800 puts you right after sunrise, so you have more daylight
18:26 KikaRz FOUND GIT FOR WINDOWS
18:26 KikaRz http://blog.dmatoso.com/2011/09/git-no-windows-github/
18:26 KikaRz yea
18:26 KikaRz i said that :c
18:26 john_minetest finally something to laugh about
18:27 marktraceur Portugues?
18:27 KikaRz Yep
18:28 KikaRz Portuguese.
18:28 Kacey bbl k?
18:28 KikaRz Português in Portuguese Language.
18:28 KikaRz '-'
18:28 KikaRz http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3617 -- THIS MOD IS EPIC
18:29 john_minetest zeg9's digicode.
18:30 john_minetest i am just playing with zeg on his server.
18:30 marktraceur Just....not sure how epic a keypad can be
18:30 marktraceur Cool? Sure. Useful? Yup. Epic? Maybe not.
18:30 OldCoder Hi
18:30 OldCoder Shutting down world 30004 Octuteam to check the logs
18:31 OldCoder It is now eating about 70% of my CPU
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18:31 OldCoder Possibly another machine or another problem
18:31 Calinou KikaRz: github's "Git for Windows" is terrible
18:31 OldCoder Need to check into the issue
18:31 Calinou git with a windows 8 UI... ugly
18:31 Calinou :D
18:31 OldCoder babyface1031, see the note above
18:31 KikaRz I hate Win8.
18:31 KikaRz sucks.
18:31 john_minetest why do you use bash on windows? vm with linux would be easier.
18:31 babyface1031 ok
18:32 KikaRz OldCoder, when will you convert that aprimorated good client to Direct3D?
18:32 KikaRz that one that i can use to your server
18:32 KikaRz and dont works
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18:32 OldCoder KikaRz, Where did we leave that?
18:32 Calinou virtualbox + some linux distro works, yeah
18:32 OldCoder I don't do much with Windows
18:32 Calinou you need a fairly good cpu though and at least 2gb ram
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18:32 OldCoder babyface1031, Was somebody attempting a large WorldEdit?
18:32 KikaRz Name of it:
18:32 Calinou KikaRz: direct3d sucks.
18:32 Calinou use opengl
18:33 KikaRz Fuck that
18:33 Calinou why
18:33 OldCoder babyface1031, CPU was at 65% to 70%
18:33 KikaRz Give me a Graphics card.
18:33 Calinou any recent GPU supports opengl well, even the intel ones
18:33 Calinou (recent: 2006+)
18:33 babyface1031 i havent been on since we last talked
18:33 Calinou can't buy better hardware? save money: quit smoking, quit drinking, don't buy useless phones/tablets..
18:34 KikaRz I dont smoke
18:34 KikaRz I dont drink
18:34 KikaRz i dont have any phone
18:34 KikaRz just this stupid computer
18:34 KikaRz that serves me to play what i can.
18:34 KikaRz OldCoder, Codename: minetest-121020
18:35 babyface1031 i saw the logs that is around dogzilla house i think
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18:36 KikaRz mr PilzAdam
18:37 KikaRz this mod https://github.com/PilzAdam/3d_player supports Minecraft Skins ? (my old skin is in here/my computer)
18:37 PilzAdam no
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18:37 KikaRz Waaai???
18:37 KikaRz :(
18:37 Penguin hiya
18:37 OldCoder Penguin, Hello
18:38 Penguin Is Server Down
18:38 babyface1031 hi Penguin
18:38 babyface1031 yes
18:38 Penguin Why ?
18:38 OldCoder babyface1031, Penguin: To explain:
18:39 Penguin Have I Done Somethin
18:39 OldCoder World 30004 went to about 70% CPU just now. Nearly took down my VPS. I need to review the logs to find out if there is another machine or some damage.
18:39 babyface1031 @Oldcoder has to look at the logs the cpu shot up on 3000
18:39 Penguin ?
18:39 OldCoder Penguin, babyface1031 I am on the phone for a business call. I'll fix it when I'm off.
18:39 babyface1031 it might be another machine he has to look
18:39 babyface1031 ok thats fine
18:39 OldCoder CPU usage went to the top
18:39 Penguin Any Other Server For Yours
18:40 Penguin ?
18:40 OldCoder Penguin, ?
18:40 OldCoder Penguin, can you explain the question?
18:40 Penguin whats the new server called
18:40 OldCoder Penguin I do not understand
18:40 babyface1031 i think he wants to know if all your severs are down
18:40 Penguin i mean the newist server whats the port
18:41 marktraceur Penguin: "I" "newest" "what's"
18:41 babyface1031 i think it is 30015 but i could be wrong
18:41 Penguin 30012
18:42 OldCoder Ah
18:42 OldCoder Wait
18:42 OldCoder Zegaton is at 30015
18:42 Penguin tanker has a machien in his castle
18:42 OldCoder In 30004?
18:42 john_minetest Zegaton is at 30015, right
18:42 OldCoder Yes
18:42 babyface1031 again i took it out
18:43 OldCoder I will do a clearblocks on 30004 now
18:43 Penguin oh
18:43 Penguin i dident no u did
18:43 marktraceur Penguin: "I" "didn't" "know" "you"
18:44 babyface1031 i never got a chance to look at 2or 3 areas
18:44 Penguin Urg i hat been ing diclexic
18:44 john_minetest God spelin s impotan
18:45 VanessaE Penguin: "argh", "I", "hate", being", "dyslexic"
18:45 marktraceur john_minetest: I can't quite make it out, but if you're saying that people who misspell things frequently are impotent, you're absolutely correct.
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18:45 Kacey IT WORKS!!!!! now to add light
18:45 marktraceur Kacey: I thought the whole purpose of it was to add light? How can you say it works if there's no light?
18:46 Kacey it made the node
18:46 marktraceur Oh, cool.
18:46 Kacey calinou do you know how to add light?
18:46 Penguin stop corecting me its not my fault
18:46 hmmmm Tell your mom
18:46 hmmmm Tell your dad
18:46 hmmmm we were super rad
18:47 marktraceur Penguin: Ta, we'll stop
18:47 Penguin thanks
18:47 john_minetest marktraceur: You shouldn't blame people for wrong spelling. Maybe they can't write english so good or they can't write good in general.
18:47 Penguin i get anoyed becuse its not my fault
18:47 VanessaE you can blame them for not getting a good IRC client that'll warn them of bad spelling.
18:48 Penguin i am not blameing them ?
18:48 VanessaE and which provides not only those warnings, but also a right-click menu offering spelling suggestions.
18:48 VanessaE (like Xchat, probably others too)
18:48 Kacey what is the line to add light to a node?
18:48 Penguin idk
18:48 john_minetest Xchat has a correcting function? lol. Never saw it.
18:49 Jordach light_source = 1-14
18:49 Kacey ok
18:49 Jordach with a semicolon as well
18:49 Kacey which line does that go in?
18:49 VanessaE john_minetest:  yeah, right-click a misspelled word.
18:49 VanessaE Jordach: semicolon???  comma you mean :-)
18:49 VanessaE this is Lua, not C. :-)
18:49 * Jordach learns c++
18:50 Kacey ok maybe this will work
18:51 Kacey that is not very bright...
18:52 Penguin change the number
18:52 Kacey i put 14
18:52 Penguin oh
18:52 Kacey ok LIGHT_MAX might work
18:52 VanessaE 14 is the max, but you should use LIGHT_MAX minus some value
18:52 VanessaE in case c55 ever increases the range of that field
18:52 Kacey ?
18:52 john_minetest helle world  test
18:52 Penguin kacey what are you doing
18:53 john_minetest cool
18:53 Kacey writing a mod
18:53 john_minetest have to install spellcheck addon
18:53 Penguin what mod
18:53 Kacey weegee
18:53 Penguin _
18:53 Penguin -_-
18:53 Kacey yep
18:53 Kacey just for practice
18:53 Kacey want me to upload it?
18:54 Penguin what mod ?
18:54 Kacey weegee
18:54 Penguin whats that
18:54 Kacey it adds a weegee block
18:54 Penguin weegee whats that
18:55 Kacey look it up
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18:55 KikaRz-Dinner lol
18:56 KikaRz-Dinner "are" "u" "mad" "or" "dislexic" "look" "trying" "you" ?
18:56 KikaRz hmmmm, are you from France?
18:56 KikaRz Europe ALEEE D:
18:56 KikaRz :D
18:56 hmmmm no
18:56 VanessaE hah, self-correction FAIL :-)
18:57 KikaRz hmmmm, look what server are you connected
18:57 KikaRz [18:56] ==  server   : pratchett.freenode.net [Rennes, France]
18:57 VanessaE "dislexic" -> "dyslexic"
18:57 KikaRz "problem" "no" :)
18:57 hmmmm mmm yea
18:57 Kacey making a github for it
18:57 VanessaE What, reverse Polish notation now? :-)
18:57 KikaRz for what?
18:57 KikaRz :)
18:57 hmmmm i guess that's just what xchat chose this time
18:57 Penguin Wow Stop
18:58 KikaRz Penguin, you are.
18:58 KikaRz omg, censurating...
18:58 KikaRz Penguin, you are.
18:58 Penguin what
18:58 KikaRz Penguin, you are cuteeee...-eeeeeeeeey
18:58 Penguin No?
18:58 marktraceur OK, Kacey, that's a ridiculous idea for a mod. (I just looked up "weegee")
18:59 VanessaE what the hell is a weegee?
18:59 Kacey lol
18:59 VanessaE is that a tiny wedgie?
18:59 marktraceur VanessaE: A meme, featuring ironic placement of Luigi from Mario Bros.
18:59 * Kacey is confused
18:59 VanessaE ohh brother.
18:59 Penguin weegee board?
18:59 Kacey how do i make a repositorie?
18:59 marktraceur Penguin: That's spelled "Ouija", actually.
18:59 VanessaE Penguin: no, that's Ouija. :-)
18:59 KikaRz Well
18:59 KikaRz my new mod its a bit...
18:59 KikaRz secret *-*
19:00 KikaRz reason: Itll have new blocks, GLOWSTONE!, new torches (if i can) and etc :)
19:00 Penguin Glowston all redy made
19:01 KikaRz diferent one
19:01 Penguin *Ready
19:01 KikaRz not yellow
19:01 KikaRz red.
19:01 KikaRz i didnt said that is yellow
19:01 VanessaE already done, KikaRz .
19:01 KikaRz xd
19:01 Penguin *Glowstone
19:01 KikaRz Nope
19:01 KikaRz Red isnt
19:01 VanessaE Mesecons, Bobblocks both have red glow stones.
19:01 KikaRz ...
19:01 VanessaE there are others also.
19:01 marktraceur KikaRz: Oh, it's red, that's TOTALLY DIFFERENT
19:01 Kacey i need to know how to set up a github repo
19:01 KikaRz stupid .
19:01 KikaRz hate this.
19:02 KikaRz github.com ?
19:02 Kacey yes
19:02 VanessaE in fact bobblocks pretty much killed off the idea of needing more generic glowstones, as it has the whole ROYGBIV palette plus white and grey :-)
19:02 john_minetest glowstone is also in glow mod on zeg's server. made by him and me
19:02 VanessaE john_minetest: and the lighting section of Home Decor
19:02 KikaRz fuck this :'(
19:02 VanessaE (white and yellow there)
19:03 VanessaE KikaRz: you just need to do something that hasn't already been done
19:03 john_minetest i just made a block because you would need hours to find this in forum
19:03 KikaRz LIKE WHAT? A MEME?...
19:03 KikaRz Oh...
19:03 KikaRz thats it...
19:03 KikaRz im going to make memes.
19:03 john_minetest memes for what?
19:03 Kacey had no inspiration...
19:03 KikaRz meme blocks.
19:03 Penguin beer
19:03 VanessaE KikaRz: revitalize the old Minetest Trollpack textures ;)
19:03 KikaRz omg
19:03 john_minetest Trollpack is so epic
19:03 VanessaE http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1353
19:03 Penguin SLENDER
19:04 KikaRz IF I THINK IN SOMETHING, THERE IS ALREADY.
19:04 Kacey YES SLENDER!!!!
19:04 VanessaE KikaRz: then think of something else ;)
19:04 KikaRz i wanted to make new things for Technic
19:04 KikaRz but i dont know much of programating in LUA
19:04 KikaRz Lua means Moon in Portuguese...
19:04 Kacey me neither
19:04 KikaRz that's stupid.
19:04 KikaRz xd
19:04 VanessaE we know.  it's named for that deliberately.
19:05 Penguin SLENDEr
19:05 VanessaE (Luna = moon in English)
19:05 Kacey YES SLENDER!!!!
19:05 KikaRz Lua its in Portuguese.
19:05 KikaRz Yep
19:05 KikaRz Im going to do of Slender...
19:05 KikaRz i need to make the pages
19:05 KikaRz the messages
19:05 KikaRz the slender skin
19:05 KikaRz x_x'
19:05 KikaRz everything
19:05 KikaRz how to make a NPC...
19:07 marktraceur KikaRz: There are plenty of nodes that you could add that aren't complicated and would add to the gameplay.
19:07 marktraceur KikaRz: Just keep thinking, play the game some, and if you even have a fleeting moment of "gee, I wish there was X", make X.
19:07 KikaRz ok
19:07 john_minetest slimes with blender skin. just one that always follows you and will kill you when in a special range
19:07 KikaRz remaking the meme's pack.
19:07 Kacey weegee block
19:08 john_minetest *slender
19:08 * marktraceur did that, came up with like 7 or 8 mods so far, with at least 2 more coming over the next two days
19:08 KikaRz nope
19:08 KikaRz Meme's
19:08 KikaRz that old meme's pack sucks
19:08 Kacey can anyone upload my file for me?
19:08 Penguin Message board
19:08 john_minetest the coolest meme is the "here, have a fireball" meme
19:09 Kacey yep
19:09 KikaRz hey
19:09 KikaRz why they dont change the template of this
19:09 KikaRz http://minetest.com/
19:09 KikaRz to a modern one?
19:09 KikaRz idk who is the owner...
19:09 Calinou minetest.com is old and outdated :|
19:09 Calinou saxony
19:09 Calinou he's sometimes on irc
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19:09 Calinou marktraceur: X is already made, and is slow, use wayland!
19:09 Kacey i want to readd oerkkis
19:10 VanessaE Kacey: just go to ompldr or something
19:10 Kacey ooh ok
19:10 VanessaE upload it there, link to it in a new post.
19:10 VanessaE hm, lagged out for a moment there.
19:10 Kacey k
19:10 john_minetest minetest.com isn't SO outdated
19:10 john_minetest but the WIKI is
19:10 Calinou wiki isn't
19:10 Kacey but i cannot create a new post in mod realeses
19:10 Calinou heh, it's more up to date because everyone can edit it
19:10 Calinou Kacey: post in modding general
19:10 Kacey ooh ok
19:11 Calinou note that you need to add a license so that the mod can be moved in mod releases
19:11 Calinou (if you don't care about what people can do with your mod, use the WTFPL)
19:11 Kacey how do i add a license
19:12 Calinou just say that the mod is under "that" license
19:12 Kacey ooh ok
19:14 KikaRz taking a look in Modding General
19:14 Kacey posting in a couple minutes
19:15 KikaRz if it sucks, ill not comment :c
19:15 Kacey lol it is just one block right no but it is a test of a mod
19:17 john_minetest who updates the wiki:  8 active contributors.
19:18 KikaRz lol-
19:18 KikaRz Hey
19:18 KikaRz VanessaE
19:18 Kacey what is the format of the topic for mods?
19:18 KikaRz how i do passive mobs in lua?
19:18 KikaRz i want to make cats and dogs
19:18 KikaRz and birds
19:18 KikaRz (birds wont fly :()
19:19 Penguin Broken its wing?
19:19 VanessaE KikaRz: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2828
19:19 VanessaE oops
19:19 VanessaE wrong one
19:19 VanessaE http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1271
19:19 VanessaE THAT one.
19:20 john_minetest or bird is a Penguin...
19:20 KikaRz Not thta
19:20 KikaRz *that
19:20 KikaRz -.-
19:20 KikaRz its How to program passive mobs in lua
19:20 VanessaE oops, that was to Kacey ^^^^6
19:20 Kacey ok lol i feel stupid i didnt get the link in the post
19:20 john_minetest <KikaRz> (birds wont fly :()  <Penguin> Broken its wing?  ||| penguins can't fly. lol.
19:21 VanessaE for his request about mod title/posting rules.
19:21 KikaRz '-'
19:21 VanessaE about mobs, look at cornernote's critters mod.  http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=48079#p48079
19:21 Penguin but ima a special penguin
19:21 john_minetest like the one from the flash game "learn to fly"?
19:22 KikaRz vanessa
19:22 KikaRz not that.
19:22 KikaRz I WANT TO CREATE ONE
19:22 VanessaE KikaRz: well you need to start somewhere, you said you don't know how to code in Lua.
19:22 VanessaE download a mobs mod and tweak it.
19:22 VanessaE that's how you learn.
19:23 Penguin kacey come on server in a bit minetest.org 30004
19:24 PilzAdam gtg; bye
19:25 Penguin bye
19:25 john_minetest gtg, bye
19:25 KikaRz bye
19:26 KikaRz [19:25] == john_minetest [~john@p5DCA86EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Just for the lulz.]
19:26 KikaRz omg
19:27 KikaRz Well
19:27 OldCoder Is anybody here from the Zeg9 server?
19:27 OldCoder The old one?
19:27 KikaRz someone can send me Minetest Server Bin?
19:27 OldCoder What type?
19:27 KikaRz well, http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.3-25cf375-extrafilters_chkbox-win32.7z got one
19:29 RealBadAngel there are newer builds
19:29 KikaRz how i download a git in linux?
19:29 RealBadAngel with  browser on git page or command line using wget
19:29 KikaRz how this minetest classic works? https://bitbucket.org/minetestclassicteam/minetest-classic
19:30 KikaRz ok
19:30 RealBadAngel https://github.com/celeron55/minetest
19:30 KikaRz thats not for windows
19:30 KikaRz -.-
19:31 VanessaE KikaRz: git clone git://github.com/celeron55/minetest.git   or whatever the repo is.
19:31 Penguin ("O_$)
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19:32 KikaRz Could not open because git isnt associated to a program (Mozilla Firefox)
19:32 VanessaE KikaRz: command line.
19:33 VanessaE open a terminal and copy&paste that ^^^^^^
19:33 KikaRz No such file or Directory
19:33 RealBadAngel theres "zip" button
19:33 KikaRz .
19:33 RealBadAngel download archive with sources
19:33 KikaRz not for that
19:34 OldCoder I am away for 15 minutes
19:34 RealBadAngel https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/archive/master.zip
19:34 RealBadAngel is that hard to click the button to download file?
19:34 VanessaE KikaRz: open a terminal, copy&paste this:
19:34 KikaRz ...
19:34 VanessaE git clone git://github.com/celeron55/minetest.git
19:35 RealBadAngel question is he havin CLI for github...
19:35 VanessaE THAT is the proper way to download a GIT repository in Linux.
19:35 KikaRz RealBadAngel
19:35 RealBadAngel im  not using that way
19:35 KikaRz Shut up please.
19:35 RealBadAngel and not using cli at all
19:35 VanessaE RealBadAngel: if he doesn't, it's a trivial matte to apt-get install git. :-)
19:35 KikaRz im a girl
19:36 VanessaE she.
19:36 RealBadAngel cli is archaic and annoying
19:36 Penguin oh
19:36 KikaRz well
19:36 KikaRz i need to specify better
19:36 KikaRz im female.
19:36 KikaRz xd
19:36 KikaRz because nobody understands that im 75% English
19:36 KikaRz 25% Portuguese
19:37 VanessaE maybe archaic and annoying, but there really isn't a better way, given the nature of the content being downloaded. :-)
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19:37 RealBadAngel theres git client http://www.syntevo.com/smartgit/index.html
19:37 VanessaE good day, redcrab .
19:37 RealBadAngel no need to use CLI at all
19:38 VanessaE RealBadAngel: sure, but the code is still plain text.  Using a GUI to work on code is kinda..overkill :-)
19:38 RealBadAngel i suggest using Geany
19:38 VanessaE (don't misunderstand me, I hate having to use the command line.  But it's the best tool for the job, for me)
19:38 RealBadAngel for work with sources
19:39 RealBadAngel im using terminal only to compile sources and launch bin
19:39 RealBadAngel to get debug output
19:40 RealBadAngel for editing sources, pushing to remote i dont need to use terminal
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19:44 VanessaE for me, I edit with gedit (ironically), but compile and manage the repo from the command line
19:44 Penguin joined #minetest
19:45 Penguin hi
19:45 VanessaE wb
19:46 RealBadAngel github client: http://realbadangel.pl/git.png
19:46 RealBadAngel working with code: http://realbadangel.pl/editing_sources.png
19:46 Penguin coder
19:47 VanessaE jeez, looks like a lovechild of synaptic and firefox :-)
19:48 RealBadAngel ;)
19:49 RealBadAngel VanessaE, try Geany for editing
19:50 RealBadAngel its damn good
19:50 VanessaE naw, I'm happy with gedit
19:50 RealBadAngel even has a terminal in a tab
19:50 Penguin HAPPY WHEELS
19:50 RealBadAngel compiler also can be configured for it
19:50 RealBadAngel LUA, c++ highliting
19:51 KikaRz https://sites.google.com/site/cornernote/minetest/infinite-chest
19:51 RealBadAngel perfecto
19:51 KikaRz EPIC
19:51 RealBadAngel not really, kinda cheat
19:51 RealBadAngel but nice piece of code
19:51 KikaRz whats the turkey day?
19:51 VanessaE tomorrow.
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19:52 * VanessaE <-- consummate smartass ;)
19:52 Penguin HAPPY WHEELS
19:53 KikaRz shut up, i know that game
19:53 KikaRz http://www.getpaint.net/
19:53 KikaRz epic
19:53 Penguin -_-
19:53 VanessaE get GIMP.  http://www.gimp.org/
19:53 VanessaE :-)
19:53 KikaRz I cant
19:54 KikaRz Lags a lot in my computer (as windows)
19:54 KikaRz igot it
19:54 KikaRz but it dont works correctly
19:56 Penguin Happy Wheels
19:59 KikaRz SHUT UP
19:59 KikaRz thats spam.
19:59 Penguin SHUT UP
19:59 VanessaE penguin, knock it off.
19:59 Penguin sorry
20:00 Penguin i only said it 3 times
20:00 ruskie hmmm decided on what I'll construct next in minetest
20:00 VanessaE "only"....mmmh
20:00 VanessaE ruskie: what?
20:01 Penguin 1d are spliting up
20:01 Penguin :D
20:02 Penguin anyone no who they are
20:03 Penguin ?
20:03 VanessaE no.  No one knows who they are.
20:03 Penguin one direction
20:04 marktraceur Penguin: I think they prefer the term "turn-challenged"
20:05 Penguin HAHa
20:05 Penguin NO!!!!!!
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20:06 VanessaE marktraceur: no, they're reverse-challenged.
20:07 Penguin Ha !!! NO!!!
20:13 marktraceur VanessaE: I suppose both--though if you weren't reverse challenged I suppose the derogatory term would be "two directions"
20:13 VanessaE so you're saying this hypothetical entity goes...ahem...both ways?
20:13 VanessaE ;)
20:13 marktraceur Like 13, exactly.
20:13 VanessaE lol
20:15 marktraceur "The murderer told the bisexual to pick one of two doors, but both doors led to a horrible death" "So what you're saying is, she could have gone both ways" "YEEEEEAAAAHHHHHHH"
20:15 VanessaE you forgot the sunglasses :-)
20:15 marktraceur VanessaE: I didn't, you just couldn't see that part
20:15 VanessaE lol
20:16 * marktraceur pulled off the sunglasses while typing
20:19 Penguin TT
20:20 KikaRz Hey
20:20 KikaRz whats minetest classic?
20:20 KikaRz i want to test it, but when i start game, it closes
20:20 iqualfragile not worth looking at
20:20 VanessaE it's an old-ass version
20:20 marktraceur KikaRz: It's our annual golf tournament
20:20 marktraceur Oh, no sorry, the other things
20:20 KikaRz ?
20:20 VanessaE 0.2.something, from long ago.  you can't even run mods on it.
20:20 KikaRz o_o'
20:21 KikaRz but i want to test minetest classic
20:21 KikaRz :c
20:21 iqualfragile thats the poit about it
20:21 iqualfragile it was minetest without mods
20:21 VanessaE marktraceur: nonono, that's the Mintest Open.  the -Classic was an auto race ;-)
20:21 marktraceur Oh, right, sorry.
20:21 * marktraceur wonders how hard it would be to make a golf mod
20:21 KikaRz yep
20:21 KikaRz just like
20:21 KikaRz the throwing mod + ricochet...
20:21 ruskie marktraceur, that would be nice
20:21 VanessaE I should think it would be pretty easy actually.
20:22 KikaRz when you throw it to the floor
20:22 KikaRz it ricochet to the sky
20:22 KikaRz like a ball drop
20:22 marktraceur I agree....you'd need to hunt for the ball pretty heavily, but it would work
20:23 KikaRz cool... https://sites.google.com/site/cornernote/minetest/worldedit-gui
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20:33 OldCoder
20:33 OldCoder World 30004 can't do a /clearobjects any longer
20:33 OldCoder The structure may be hosed
20:33 OldCoder The question is, are there any other measures to be tried?
20:33 OldCoder Is there any other way besides WorldEdit to repair a world?
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20:34 VanessaE there's a tool, I think "worldsplice"?  that can be used to some effect.
20:34 VanessaE windows-only I think
20:34 VanessaE don't know much about it or how to use it.
20:36 VanessaE "Impaired drivers are easy enough to spot.
20:36 VanessaE A drunk driver will run a stop sign
20:36 VanessaE The stoned driver waits for it to turn green."
20:36 VanessaE lol
20:37 RealBadAngel hehhe
20:38 OldCoder VanessaE, RealBadAngel Basically 30004 crashes on /clearobjects. I assume this means there is damage. Should I write it off and revert to backup? Or any other options?
20:39 VanessaE how old is your last known good backup?
20:39 OldCoder I need to check
20:39 OldCoder Hopefully not too old
20:40 RealBadAngel idk what to do with such kind of error
20:40 RealBadAngel i would try backup way
20:40 OldCoder We'll see
20:40 OldCoder Thank you
20:40 OldCoder I am out on an errand for a little while
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21:09 marktraceur Hey, quick informal poll of the channel
21:09 KikaRz I love participating in polls.
21:09 VanessaE marktraceur: shoot
21:10 marktraceur If there were dedicated modders that worked full/part time on minetest mods, would that be worth a few dollars of donation to have a say in what they make?
21:10 KikaRz uh
21:10 KikaRz what?
21:10 marktraceur I'm not saying this is happening soon or ever, but some indication of the public perception would be useful for gauging the likelihood of it working
21:10 KikaRz explain well.
21:10 KikaRz If there were dedicated modders, they were payed?
21:11 KikaRz or what they were being payed?
21:11 marktraceur KikaRz: Yes, they would probably be paid employees of a non-profit.
21:11 VanessaE marktraceur: well I'd say it depends on how much of "a say" a given donation should allow, but in general I see nothing wrong with the idea.
21:11 KikaRz yep
21:12 VanessaE especially in this modern "time = money, and hobby time = time not spent on working" society (however much of a bullshit comparison it is)
21:13 marktraceur VanessaE: Probably something like "$10 gives you a vote in each decision that happens that month, $50 gives you nomination power for that month's decisions, $200 gives you preferred nomination power" or something similar....I mean, the amounts could float with supply and demand, but generally something tiered like that.
21:13 marktraceur Also possibly could use swag like t-shirts and stickers for intermediate donation amounts
21:13 VanessaE marktraceur: that sounds reasonable.
21:15 * marktraceur stashes away these thoughts for the future
21:15 * KikaRz gets dreaming on being a future dedicated modder with 1.000.000.000 €...
21:15 * KikaRz wakes up
21:15 KikaRz cool.
21:16 marktraceur KikaRz: Nonprofit salaries for engineers tend to be much lower :P (/me speaks from experience)
21:19 VanessaE I wonder if this is suitable as a kickstarter project?  You know, something to the tune of "raise X dollars to pay for Y hours of full-time development on Minetest, spread across Z years." kind of thing
21:19 VanessaE with the benefit to the donators being...I dunno what :-)
21:21 marktraceur VanessaE: I was thinking of IndieGoGo, but yeah
21:21 VanessaE oh, I know, the swag idea as you mentioned.  A $10 gets you a ready-to-install CD with win/linux builds and a collection of kickass mods, $50 gets you a life-sized foam pickaxe in your choice of texture pack styles, $200 gets you ... um.. I dunno what :-)
21:21 marktraceur VanessaE: The trouble is, asking for the amount I would need for a year (or even half a year) of life would probably not work....
21:22 marktraceur VanessaE: You know me, I wouldn't build for Windows :)
21:22 VanessaE heh
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21:23 marktraceur $10 gets you a nice custom GNU/Linux live CD with a minetest server installed on it and nice launch script options for different games
21:23 VanessaE marktraceur:  and look who shows up at THAT moment.  That's just too good :-)
21:23 marktraceur $50 maybe a nice t-shirt with logo of the organization (would need to make one, of course)
21:23 marktraceur $30 some stickers or so
21:24 marktraceur $100 for the pickaxe or any other tool you'd like (I don't judge the farmers in this world)
21:24 VanessaE that works :-)
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21:25 marktraceur I could probably copy some of the GNU MediaGoblin rewards....sponsored commits, 3D figurines, stuff like that
21:25 VanessaE $200 gets you a foam pickaxe/etc. and a 5-second cameo spot on some professional featured video.
21:25 VanessaE right
21:25 marktraceur VanessaE: $200 and we'll let you host a demo video or, if you prefer, just act in a demo video
21:26 VanessaE right
21:26 VanessaE this definitely has potential - but how to market it?
21:26 KikaRz TV :D
21:26 KikaRz I can make the commercial
21:26 KikaRz :p
21:26 VanessaE $500 gets you all of the above plus a vote on a new name for the game :-)
21:26 marktraceur VanessaE: I think just the community would work fine....work on cool mods, mention the org and the campaign in the forum posts, and move on
21:27 marktraceur VanessaE: Also using other game communities....so it's not just Minetest, but other moddable free games as well
21:27 VanessaE good idea.
21:27 * marktraceur isn't sure if other games already have nonprofits around them, or....
21:28 telek1 X.X
21:29 telek1 Basically: If you got open source mods, would you be willing to put minecraft-mod type money towards it :D
21:29 * marktraceur didn't know there was money in minecraft mods
21:29 VanessaE right
21:30 telek1 One of those things that's always funny: People will pay out the posterior for closed source apps, but even if they're good, the gaming community's perception towards OS mods/games/etc is still generally 'inferior'
21:30 VanessaE so...think we can raise 10 million bucks? :-)
21:30 marktraceur VanessaE: There's just no way.
21:30 telek1 Dunno, but a few people might be able to at least part-time their work.
21:30 telek1 Go look at Dwarf Fortress for an example
21:30 telek1 They've got up monthly donation reports.
21:30 * marktraceur could try devoting ten hours a week to this for a month or two as a trial, see if it goes well
21:31 telek1 They're at about 55k/year right now in donations.
21:31 VanessaE (when I last read, that was the figure quoted as Mojang's gross profits since the start)
21:31 telek1 Some of it is hype, some is merchandising, etc.
21:31 VanessaE $55k/yr is no small change
21:31 telek1 For one person no, for two maybe.
21:32 VanessaE well remember that this is $55k/yr on top of whatever these people are already making at their "day" jobs.
21:32 * telek1 isn't sure of their living/working conditions, so it's either a livable wage or bordering livable.
21:32 telek1 VanessaE: Assuming day jobs. They ARE from oregon :D
21:32 VanessaE heh
21:32 VanessaE ok, good point.
21:32 * marktraceur couldn't live on that, but is in San Francisco, where it's expensive as fuck
21:33 telek1 Going off other people I know from there unless you're in portland it's iffy.
21:33 telek1 marktraceur: Agreed. I'm your easternly neighbor :)
21:33 VanessaE (I have a friend who lives near Astoria I think it is...  he used to tell me some pretty horrid stories about the general economy there)
21:33 telek1 If I had medical right now 55k wouldn't cover me either.
21:33 marktraceur telek1: East Bay, or Nevada?
21:33 telek1 >.<
21:33 telek1 You're leaving out a few places there :D
21:33 telek1 East of Davis, West of Auburn :D
21:34 marktraceur telek1: Well, I figure you're either talking about the city or the state
21:34 * telek1 is in the central valley.
21:34 marktraceur Hm, sort of northish
21:34 KikaRz Portugal sucks in economy
21:34 KikaRz :p
21:34 telek1 Eh. The highway says east :D
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21:34 VanessaE marktraceur: how is it that my husband and I get by on $24k/yr and always seem to have a little money left over to have fun?  Is there really THAT much of a disparity in this country?
21:34 telek1 KikaRz: You guys just need to get your navy back and imperialism :D
21:35 telek1 VanesaE: Yes.
21:35 VanessaE jeez
21:35 telek1 VannesaE: Cali is that messed up.
21:35 KikaRz telek1
21:35 KikaRz is not today that i finish the tower :/
21:35 telek1 Funny part though is rent is hit or miss.
21:35 marktraceur telek1: Why wouldn't you have said "Sacramento"?
21:35 KikaRz Sacramento its a city
21:35 KikaRz or a state
21:35 VanessaE we live in West Carolina (= Blue Ridge Mountains area of North Carolina), guess we got it pretty good :-)
21:35 marktraceur KikaRz: State capital of California
21:36 KikaRz or that
21:36 KikaRz :P
21:36 telek1 I have a friend in Ohio who was paying as much for an apt as they would here (~550-750/mo 1-2 BR) but was making BELOW our minimum wage, despite having worked at the same job for the better part of a decade.
21:36 KikaRz telek
21:36 KikaRz you dont know how to spell VANESSA?
21:36 KikaRz its Vanessa
21:36 KikaRz not Vanesa or Vannesa
21:36 KikaRz '-'
21:36 telek1 marktraceur: I prefer to vague :) Also because I'm embarassed for Sacramento :D
21:36 VanessaE :P
21:36 KikaRz celeron is afraid of me :(
21:36 VanessaE telek1: you prefer to vague..what?  (you left out a noun) ;)
21:37 KikaRz [21:33] <KikaRz> There isnt a way to get sound in DIrect3D minetest?  [21:33] <celeron55> go away  [21:33] <KikaRz> sry :(
21:37 KikaRz :/
21:37 VanessaE KikaRz: oh ho ho ho ho
21:37 KikaRz thats santa claus
21:37 KikaRz i dont believe in santa claus
21:37 marktraceur I live near South VanNess, a road.
21:37 KikaRz i believe in Jesus Christ
21:37 VanessaE KikaRz: not afraid - he's just that way.  quite the opposite in fact.
21:37 VanessaE oh G*D, don't bring up religion.
21:37 telek1 VanessaE: *be* x.x I think I need more caffeine :D
21:38 VanessaE telek1: just giving you a hard time ;)
21:38 paxcoder had this guy on linkedin called me an anglicized version of my name. i didn't mind, didn't think about it much. another poster ended roasted him nicely for it though.
21:38 NekoGloop I believe in my computer.
21:38 paxcoder up*
21:38 NekoGloop What religion would that be?
21:38 VanessaE KikaRz: Jesus was some dusty old carpenter who managed to become a rabbi.  That's all.
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21:39 telek1 In regards to religion: Take a lesson from Mr Rogers :)
21:39 VanessaE telek1: which would be..? :-)
21:39 OldCoder Bach
21:39 VanessaE OldCoder: Chopin.
21:39 marktraceur telek1: Puppetism?
21:39 paxcoder VanessaE, Jesus was the last of descendants of David, king of Israel
21:39 telek1 VanessaE: He was a Baptist Minister, but never brought it up on the show so children wouldn't feel left out based on differing beliefs.
21:39 VanessaE telek1: interesting.
21:40 KikaRz Hi Muadtralk
21:40 marktraceur telek1: But there weren't kids running around on the set saying "I believe in Jesus Christ"
21:40 telek1 There's also an awesome youtube clip up of his getting PBS a funding increase back in the late 60s early 70s.
21:40 OldCoder VanessaE, Chopin Droppin some tunes
21:40 VanessaE paxcoder: key word, "was".  the man's dead, people.  give it a resy.
21:40 VanessaE rest*
21:40 KikaRz SHut up with religions!
21:40 KikaRz :@
21:40 paxcoder VanessaE, of course not.
21:40 VanessaE KikaRz: you started it.
21:40 KikaRz And you continued it.
21:40 KikaRz -.-
21:40 paxcoder Were he dead, there wouldn't be Christianity
21:41 telek1 marktraceur: Not that I saw.
21:41 paxcoder there were quite a few fake jewish messiah after him.
21:41 marktraceur KikaRz: We're not discussing religion, just how to handle people who bring it up inappropriately
21:41 VanessaE paxcoder: Christianity came about some 300 years after the guy croaked.
21:41 paxcoder *s
21:41 paxcoder VanessaE, wow, history fail
21:41 KikaRz .-.
21:41 paxcoder VanessaE, please look up st. Ignatius of Antioch, the disciple of John
21:41 paxcoder the guy wrote of Jesus in 104 AD if I'm not mistaken
21:42 VanessaE ok, 1054 years after.  Even longer.
21:42 paxcoder plus, some parts of NT were written in the 1st ct.
21:42 telek1 Sadly a complete library of it isn't available to raise your kids on :(
21:42 VanessaE " The Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox patriarchates split from one another in the East–West Schism of 1054 AD, and Protestantism came into existence during the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century, splitting from the Roman Catholic Church.[7]"
21:42 paxcoder VanessaE, now you're being irrational
21:42 marktraceur paxcoder: I always thought Windows NT seemed primitive.
21:42 paxcoder VanessaE, so?
21:42 KikaRz Oh god.
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21:42 paxcoder marktraceur, primitive how?
21:42 marktraceur paxcoder: Written in the 1st century
21:43 telek1 KikaRz: Lol, I think you've done a religious godwin of this channel :D
21:43 VanessaE paxcoder: so?  so the guy's dead, and had been dead for centuries.  It took a vote at the Council of Nicea to declare the guy divine.
21:43 paxcoder marktraceur, argumentum ad novarum?
21:43 paxcoder logical fallacy, buddy
21:43 paxcoder *novitatem?
21:43 KikaRz the god: ChanServ ?
21:43 KikaRz :p
21:43 telek1 Yep.
21:43 paxcoder VanessaE, how would you settle heresies?
21:43 telek1 The ChanServ is angry with you :D
21:43 Muadtralk hanging
21:43 Muadtralk its very simple
21:43 paxcoder VanessaE, of course they didn't make it up then.
21:43 marktraceur paxcoder: Not so, just saying it's funny you abbreviated "new testament" as "NT", which also is the name of the Windows kernel.
21:43 VanessaE paxcoder: I wouldn't, because this is modern times.  Such shit belongs in the past.
21:44 KikaRz omg.
21:44 paxcoder Thomas says bowing to *live* Jesus: "My Lord and my God"
21:44 paxcoder VanessaE, you have a right to your petty badly thought-out opinioin
21:44 VanessaE of course my being Jewish has some bearing on my opinion, but so does experience,
21:45 paxcoder marktraceur, oh
21:45 Muadtralk I bow to his fordship
21:45 * Muadtralk makes the T symbol
21:45 telek1 Where IS harrison :D
21:45 VanessaE and experience says you need to get your house in order before you start foisting your opinions on the rest of us.  The same is true, to a lesser extent, of my faith.
21:46 * telek1 broke up with a girlfriend over almost exactly that :D
21:46 VanessaE (note, I should say that "you" means the ubiquitous "you", not you personally0
21:46 paxcoder VanessaE, I'm not the head of the house. That's his job.
21:47 VanessaE paxcoder: "he" can't and won't do anything to force his followers to take a certain path.  G*d said long ago that mankind has free will, including the freedom not to follow Him.
21:47 VanessaE so free will is what's causing multiple faiths to cause all the trouble they're causing.  Not G*d, and not some intermediary.
21:47 paxcoder VanessaE, I meant the pope. Or I would've used a capital H
21:47 VanessaE who said anything about the Pope?
21:47 paxcoder I did
21:47 telek1 KikaRz: You loggin back in?
21:47 KikaRz nope
21:47 * marktraceur reminds VanessaE that we were going to *not* talk about religion
21:47 KikaRz im creating blocks
21:47 KikaRz to my mod
21:48 telek1 The Pope: That's a singular of the 'Popo' right?
21:48 VanessaE you are a participating member of that religion, therefore you are as responsible for getting your religion in order as the Pope is.
21:48 KikaRz There is already a remix mod?
21:48 telek1 KikaRz: Called the remix mod? I guess so.
21:48 paxcoder VanessaE, not the way he is
21:48 KikaRz (well, a mix of stone + wood + sand + desert stone + water ?
21:48 KikaRz well
21:48 KikaRz its not more blocks
21:48 KikaRz but yes
21:48 KikaRz a mix of them
21:48 telek1 Hrmm
21:48 VanessaE paxcoder: he only has the power ascribed to him because some group of people say he should.  that's all.
21:49 paxcoder VanessaE, that's always the case, isn't it (from an atheistic POW)?
21:49 VanessaE Short of basic security that you might give to a president, there's nothing stopping someone from walking up and plugging him in the back of the head.
21:49 KikaRz Hi I
21:49 KikaRz how are you I ?
21:49 KikaRz xd
21:49 VanessaE which means that nothing is forcing the rest of a religion to follow what he says.
21:49 paxcoder VanessaE, what's your point?
21:50 telek1 Wonder if there's any good fastish physics simulation that could be combined with minetest's blocks to generate dynamic stresses in the game world, such that structures would collapse with insufficient foundation strength.
21:50 marktraceur Guest92706: Good try :)
21:50 paxcoder VanessaE, strangely, they do. Or they don't call themselves Catholics (for the most part)
21:50 VanessaE my point is it's all about free will.  Your religion is a disgusting mess (sorry).  Don't lay blame on some guy in Rome - Fix it yourself and tell him to take a hike.
21:50 Yahweh erm
21:50 Yahweh curse registered nicknames
21:50 ba Guest92706: This, in case you were wondering, was the first (alphabetically) non-taken, non-registered nick on Freenode, ca. two months ago.
21:50 ba Now I imagine it's something totally different.
21:50 paxcoder VanessaE, it's all about love. Free will is just the means to do or decide not to do that.
21:51 telek1 Lol!
21:51 VanessaE telek1: I think the problem with physics is everyone overthinks it.  realistic physics is nice and all, but sometimes a 75% accurate simulation that runs 10x as fast is just as good in the eyes of the player.
21:51 KikaRz lol
21:51 VanessaE paxcoder: oh ho ho ho.  don't even talk to me about love until your religion solves its homophobia.
21:51 KikaRz Yahweh is so fakez.
21:51 KikaRz xd
21:51 KikaRz kidding
21:52 telek1 VanessaE: I agree, but it'd be nice as an 'advanced' mod for people watching to put a bit more engineering though into it. I don't think it's something you'd want to do as a strictly scripted mod however.
21:52 KikaRz Yahweh, there is already a mod changing the blocks to mixing sand... stone... desert stone... ?
21:52 paxcoder VanessaE, I still don't see your point though, you're reiterating that I should somehow fix something. I neither know what it is that needs fixing nor how would I go about doing that. Either way, forsaking the pope is not the solution. It's been tried.
21:52 VanessaE telek1: oh sure.  problem is, I don't think that can be done in Lua - not as an add-on to the rest of the game I mean.  That would need tweaks to the engine.
21:52 paxcoder VanessaE, homophobia? Define that word for me, will you?
21:52 sdzen what?
21:53 * telek1 points VanessaE at what he said :D
21:53 VanessaE paxcoder: fear and hate of those who are gay, bisexual, etc.
21:53 sdzen KikaRz
21:53 telek1 I'm not disagreeing with you :)
21:53 KikaRz sdzen
21:53 VanessaE telek1: right, misread :-)
21:53 VanessaE paxcoder: which translates, currently, into denial of rights, murder, etc.
21:53 telek1 Is minetest currently single, or multithreaded?
21:53 VanessaE fix that shit before you talk about love.
21:53 paxcoder VanessaE, a phobia is an irrational fear. We collectively don't suffer from it, nor I personally
21:53 VanessaE telek1: single-threaded at the Lua level.
21:54 NekoGloop paxcoder: What, you think your fears are rational?
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21:54 telek1 So all luascripts are run serially? Or each can be triggered in it's own thread?
21:54 VanessaE telek1: sorta multi-threaded at the client/server level - you can run them as different processes if you want, but that's about all.  I'm not sure how much further that goes.
21:54 VanessaE they all run in series.
21:54 * telek1 nodnods.
21:54 VanessaE so an ABM in one mod can block the entire Lua engine and keep other mods from running
21:55 paxcoder NekoGloop, I have a fear of traditional family values being diluted, or the institution of marriage redefined. That fear is justified.
21:55 VanessaE oh boy.
21:55 NekoGloop paxcoder: No it isnt.
21:55 paxcoder NekoGloop, it is. Marriage is based on laws of nature. Gay "marriage" would redefine it.
21:55 VanessaE paxcoder: totally unjustified.  Stop denying people their rights, stop killing or advocating the death of people.
21:55 NekoGloop Marriage is based on what laws of nature?
21:55 VanessaE marriage is based on the laws of man.  not nature, not the bible.
21:56 KikaRz hahahahah
21:56 paxcoder VanessaE, what rights? who's advocating death?
21:56 NekoGloop Show me one point of your "marriage" in nature. Now.
21:56 KikaRz now are talking about... HOMOSSEXUAL MARRIAGE
21:56 VanessaE the laws of man can be changed.  the bible can be proven to be a work of fan fiction and be thrown out.
21:56 KikaRz LOL
21:56 telek1 Actually for that matter: How many different definitions of marriage are there, just in the bible?
21:56 telek1 Or for the ending of marriage.
21:56 VanessaE paxcoder: search the web for it.
21:56 NekoGloop telek1: A couple hundred, probably.
21:56 paxcoder NekoGloop, marriage stems from procreation. Its purpose is such a union that would bring forth children.
21:56 VanessaE WRONG.
21:56 paxcoder VanessaE, for what?
21:57 VanessaE marriage stems from money.
21:57 VanessaE kingdoms joining for mutual protection.
21:57 KikaRz HEy, a block image is saved in PNG?
21:57 VanessaE or benefit.
21:57 OldCoder Heh. Like this isn't a bit off topic :-)
21:57 NekoGloop paxcoder: Its purpose is for two people two be together in love.
21:57 paxcoder VanessaE, procreation
21:57 telek1 paxcoder: If artificial wombs are available and the merging of genetic material, then does it matter if the womb is in one of the members or outside of them?
21:57 OldCoder Marriage Test
21:57 telek1 What about people who are sterile?
21:57 VanessaE paxcoder: you are dead wrong.
21:57 KikaRz come on
21:57 KikaRz someone can tell me
21:57 KikaRz nodes image is savedi n png?
21:57 paxcoder NekoGloop, no, procreation. I can love my friend without "marrying" him.
21:57 KikaRz *saved in
21:57 telek1 KikaRz: No it's not.
21:57 KikaRz so
21:57 paxcoder Also, my parents
21:57 KikaRz its in what?
21:57 VanessaE paxcoder: search the web for "Transgender Day of remembrance" for a good example of the killing I've heard about.
21:58 telek1 I'm not sure of the exact format, but I assume it's a data structure.
21:58 VanessaE search for phrases such as "right to association" .
21:58 paxcoder VanessaE, Any points can be brought up here.
21:58 NekoGloop paxcoder: Yet you deny the right to those who greatly love another of the same sex?
21:58 telek1 And they're stored in I think 16x16 node chunks.
21:58 KikaRz ...
21:58 paxcoder NekoGloop, what right?
21:58 KikaRz they are saved in png
21:58 VanessaE telek1: correct - mapblocks, those are called.
21:58 NekoGloop The right to marriage?
21:58 VanessaE paxcoder: the right people claim for themselves.  that's what right.
21:58 NekoGloop The right to life?
21:58 paxcoder NekoGloop, not at all. Since marriage is a union between a man and a woman.
21:59 VanessaE paxcoder: only because you define it as such.
21:59 paxcoder VanessaE, nature does
21:59 VanessaE What is nature?
21:59 NekoGloop paxcoder: Last i recall, the white house doesnt allow goofing off on irc.
21:59 telek1 Nature defines marriage?
21:59 paxcoder all other unions are of different kind and purpose
21:59 telek1 Tell that to the monkeys :D
21:59 KikaRz they're saved in 32 bit, 24 or 8 ? Someone can tell me? VanessaE? NekoGloop?
21:59 VanessaE an antromorphic thing?  G*d?  Some entity?
21:59 telek1 Or the cats we've got inbreeding in my grandmother's yard :D
21:59 paxcoder telek1, I'm not talking about a rhino humping a van
21:59 VanessaE KikaRz: it varies, some fields are bytes, some are words.  I don't know the exact format.
21:59 NekoGloop God used science to create the world.
21:59 NekoGloop Discuss.
21:59 paxcoder telek1, in fact, I'm talking against that
21:59 VanessaE NekoGloop: +100000
22:00 VanessaE science explains how.  religion tries to explain why.
22:00 telek1 My point is only that it's only natural insofar as you were raised with it being natural or unnatural.
22:00 VanessaE but neither one has the right to define things.
22:00 NekoGloop He did it because he was lonely. Go figure.
22:00 VanessaE that right belongs to the people who want to apply a label.
22:00 paxcoder telek1, perhaps, but it still means redefinition
22:00 paxcoder *to change the meaning
22:01 VanessaE i.e. those who want to marry have the right to define what marriage is.
22:01 telek1 If you threw a bunch of kids into a large box without aid of religion for a few decades, do you think they would come out with the same belief's as someone raised as such?
22:01 VanessaE and why do you even care
22:01 VanessaE are you afraid it's going to spoil your marriage?
22:01 NekoGloop paxcoder: Just step outside of your goddamn biased POV and think from the POV of said homosexual individuals.
22:01 KikaRz omg
22:01 paxcoder telek1, I think marriage as it is has its purpose. Redefining marriage would make the word meaningless and allow for all kinds of directions contrary to its original purpose, procreation, which I support
22:01 telek1 I'm not trying to dissuade you from your opinion, only point out to you that you need to provide evidence beyond 'because'.
22:01 paxcoder NekoGloop, I'm not denying they have a hard time
22:01 marktraceur VanessaE: "If gay people are allowed to marry, then *everyone* can get married! Think of how the American family will be strengthened!" --Barney Stinson
22:02 VanessaE telek1: depends on how they were raise up to that point.  If they were taught some basic realistic values, like murder is wrong and so forth, I think they'd develop just fine, hypothetically speaking that is.
22:02 marktraceur True story!
22:02 telek1 Because only works for people with the same belief's as you.
22:02 KikaRz Alert: Gay things rolling in IRC #minetest freenode chat. Evacuation in 1 minute...
22:02 KikaRz Alert: Gay things rolling in IRC #minetest freenode chat. Evacuation in 1 minute...
22:02 KikaRz '-'
22:02 ecube \o/
22:02 NekoGloop paxcoder: Yet you enforce restrictions on them.
22:02 paxcoder NekoGloop, and I'm not saying I can't see why they'd want the redefinition. I still think it'd be detrimental to the society.
22:02 marktraceur KikaRz: Bye!
22:02 KikaRz Alert: Gay things rolling in IRC #minetest freenode chat. Evacuation in 30 seconds...
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22:02 telek1 VanessaE: This is assuming basically babies who were fed far enough to be able to eat on their own.
22:02 NekoGloop Yet, you deliberatly try to make their lives difficult.
22:02 * telek1 waves @ KikaRz.
22:02 VanessaE paxcoder: why do you care how the word "marriage" is defined?  Are you afraid that two guys/girls getting married going to spoil your marriage?
22:02 VanessaE answer that.
22:02 KikaRz Im not going out
22:03 KikaRz 20 seconds...
22:03 paxcoder NekoGloop, I'm simply supporting the established definitions. Other unions should have different labels. They can have contracts of different names if they want. Marriage, a building block of society, should stay intact.
22:03 KikaRz 10 seconds...
22:03 NekoGloop And, if you hadnt noticed, the world has a surplus of children.
22:03 KikaRz 3
22:03 KikaRz 2
22:03 KikaRz 1
22:03 KikaRz SUSPENDED SUBJECT
22:03 VanessaE telek1: oh sure, assuming the basic necessities are met and they all have equal standing to begin with, yeah.  They'll probably be just fine, to the extent that a child can develop without the aid of a parent.
22:03 NekoGloop From orphanages to just on the streets.
22:03 telek1 That explains NekoGloop :D
22:03 KikaRz If you want to talk abotu that, go to Query please
22:03 ecube teh troll
22:03 KikaRz Well
22:03 KikaRz lets continue talking about minetest
22:03 NekoGloop KikaRz: Cant multiquery.
22:03 KikaRz and not from gay things
22:03 KikaRz :p
22:04 KikaRz yep
22:04 KikaRz they can
22:04 paxcoder VanessaE, It recognizes a union of no procreative value as equally valid.
22:04 KikaRz join #minetest-querychannel
22:04 NekoGloop KikaRz: Would you too like a kick in the ass?
22:04 VanessaE paxcoder: why do you care how the word "marriage" is defined?  Are you afraid that two guys/girls getting married going to spoil your marriage?
22:04 marktraceur VanessaE: But if the states can't define marriage, then dual federalism is over and we're essentially only a federal government! /me voted for the Democratic-Republic candidate in the last election
22:04 paxcoder VanessaE, see above.
22:04 KikaRz omg
22:04 VanessaE paxcoder: answer my question.
22:04 Kacey joined #minetest
22:04 paxcoder I did.
22:04 VanessaE no, you sidestepped it.
22:04 NekoGloop paxcoder: No you didnt.
22:04 NekoGloop You randomly said shit.
22:04 VanessaE paxcoder: why do you care how the word "marriage" is defined?  Are you afraid that two guys/girls getting married going to spoil your marriage?
22:04 Kacey http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3821 my mod
22:04 VanessaE note the bold part.
22:05 * NekoGloop sees no bold part.
22:05 ecube ^
22:05 marktraceur VanessaE, paxcoder, please PM abouth this.
22:05 telek1 Why not just abolish the word and everybody can be happy behind closed doors? :D Take the vermont approach: 'Don't ask, don't tell' :D
22:05 KikaRz Where are skins saved?
22:05 marktraceur about*
22:05 VanessaE oh, well it's bold on my screen.
22:05 NekoGloop marktraceur: I'm in this too.
22:05 KikaRz lol
22:05 KikaRz Yep, its only on IRC programs.
22:05 paxcoder VanessaE, marriage being redefined to be of lesser value than it is will be detrimental to society.
22:05 marktraceur NekoGloop, VanessaE, paxcoder, telek1, make ##mtflamewarshitstorm if you want
22:05 KikaRz like Xchat, IRCnet...
22:05 KikaRz etc
22:05 * NekoGloop has an irc program.
22:05 VanessaE kikaRz: skins are saved as player.png and player_back.png and can be placed anywhere that minetest looks for textures (usually <minetestfolder>/textures/all or as part of an installed texture pack
22:05 KikaRz where?
22:06 iqualfragile1 joined #minetest
22:06 paxcoder marktraceur, I have no objections to relocation.
22:06 KikaRz No Player.png in textures/all
22:06 VanessaE paxcoder: and how exactly will that happen?
22:06 NekoGloop paxcoder: Marriage: A union between two individuals who are in love with eachother.
22:06 paxcoder VanessaE, NekoGloop #marriage if you're interested
22:06 NekoGloop Doesnt spoil anything.
22:06 Kacey hey vanessa http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3821 check out my mod
22:06 marktraceur Kacey: Broken link
22:06 telek1 Join the ## one mentioned above :)
22:07 Kacey how is it broken
22:07 telek1 Aww.
22:07 paxcoder NekoGloop, Marriage: see Friendship
22:07 KikaRz telek1, Please elaborate a better topic
22:07 KikaRz thats not too atractive
22:07 marktraceur Kacey: You only pasted part of the link, it seems
22:07 NekoGloop paxcoder: See homosexuality
22:07 telek1 Oh I dropped that when we were gonna change channels.
22:07 KikaRz SHUT THE HELL UP WITH GAY!
22:07 Kacey no i posted whole link
22:07 KikaRz Go to ##mtflamewarshitstorm
22:07 ecube gay gay gay
22:07 Kacey it works
22:07 NekoGloop KikaRz: Homophobe.
22:07 Kacey double click it
22:08 KikaRz No im not
22:08 KikaRz Im just tired to see Homossexual, gay, marriage
22:08 NekoGloop Yeah you are.
22:08 KikaRz etc
22:08 marktraceur Kacey: If you copy and paste it, but not if you click it
22:08 KikaRz telek1
22:08 KikaRz Link is wrong
22:08 Kacey double click it man
22:08 Kacey works for me
22:08 KikaRz http://ompldr.org/vZ2VhcA joins into the vZ2VhcA
22:09 KikaRz not in ompldr
22:09 OldCoder I think 30004 is dead
22:09 Kacey ooh that link
22:09 OldCoder Hmm
22:09 KikaRz Lets make a funeral
22:09 KikaRz :)
22:09 OldCoder We have no repair tools
22:09 Kacey NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
22:09 OldCoder Kacey, There will be a ghost
22:09 KikaRz what Kacey?
22:09 OldCoder But the current one crashes on /clearobjects
22:09 Kacey the server died
22:09 OldCoder The world is corrupted
22:09 OldCoder Checking further
22:09 Kacey well then dont /clearobjects
22:10 OldCoder No
22:10 KikaRz poor server.
22:10 OldCoder That is my test
22:10 OldCoder If a world cannot /clearobjects then it is damaged
22:10 Kacey KikaRz that ompldr link works
22:10 KikaRz No it doesnt
22:10 KikaRz it goes to VZ2VhcA
22:10 ecube clearobjects causes minetest to catch the deadly SIGKILL
22:10 KikaRz it was supposed to go to:
22:10 KikaRz http://ompldr.org/vZ2VhcA
22:10 Kacey not for me it works fine
22:10 KikaRz O Firefox não consegue encontrar o servidor em www.vz2vhca.com.
22:10 Kacey it begins the download
22:11 ecube well, if there are too many objects
22:11 KikaRz In English:
22:11 ecube otherwise, it's fine
22:11 KikaRz The Firefox could not found the server in www.vz2vhca.com.
22:11 KikaRz xd
22:11 telek1 KikaRz: Which link?
22:11 KikaRz ... the block is from luigi
22:11 KikaRz -.-
22:11 OldCoder I will try gdb
22:11 OldCoder To save the world
22:11 KikaRz ill make him some glasses
22:11 ecube OldCoder: you have a server?
22:12 * telek1 nods.
22:12 KikaRz He host 19 worlds
22:12 KikaRz or more...
22:12 OldCoder ecube, About 19
22:12 ecube oh, i remember now
22:12 OldCoder Is that enough
22:12 OldCoder :-)
22:12 KikaRz OldCoder is the crazy scientist.
22:12 Kacey OldCoder i made my first block mod
22:12 ecube enough for them to catch the SIGKILL disease when you do /clearobjects
22:12 OldCoder I will /clearobjects inside gdb
22:12 OldCoder ecube, Go on
22:12 OldCoder Kacey, Oh?
22:12 ecube go on what?
22:13 OldCoder ecube, Explain
22:13 OldCoder ecube, Is there a useful theory?
22:13 Kacey yep it adds a weegee block
22:13 ecube no, when I make a server and there are too many objects and i /clearobjects, minetestserver gets killed within 10 minutes
22:14 Kacey imma make another mod
22:14 KikaRz what does /clearobjects?
22:14 ecube clearobjects is supposed to remove all the non-player entities
22:14 ecube i think
22:14 ecube is it?
22:14 KikaRz or all the drops?
22:15 KikaRz but how it generates so many drops»?
22:15 ecube it doesn't
22:15 ecube it's the nature mod you have to worry about
22:15 ecube when the blossoms decay, they drop as items 100% of the time
22:15 OldCoder ecube, continue if possible
22:16 ecube continue what?
22:16 KikaRz hey
22:17 harrison i the harrison am ubiquitous telek1
22:17 KikaRz who wants to make with me a chess mod?
22:17 KikaRz i make the chess platform
22:17 ecube that souunds fun
22:17 ecube what, we make the chess mechanics?
22:17 ecube that sounds lazy
22:17 telek1 harrison: :)
22:17 Kacey i think there is already one but i will work with you
22:18 telek1 Start with checkers then work to chess then maybe to go, or shogi.
22:18 Kacey ok
22:18 KikaRz lol
22:18 telek1 And that's assuming you've got enough space on a block or wherever for all the pieces.
22:18 KikaRz tomorrow
22:18 KikaRz ill make...
22:18 telek1 If not maybe make it a series of 'linkable' nodes that can link together into a board?
22:18 Kacey maybe we can use the arcade mod...
22:18 KikaRz 43 blocks :D
22:19 telek1 I still haven't played with that.
22:19 KikaRz problem: Configuring them all! *_*
22:19 ecube maybe we'll make 1 single node
22:19 telek1 How is the tetris mod?
22:19 ecube and the node is a chess board
22:19 KikaRz i can do
22:19 KikaRz the chess board
22:19 KikaRz '-'
22:19 Kacey brb
22:19 ecube lol
22:19 KikaRz Paint.NET its so COOL
22:19 KikaRz *_*
22:19 ecube Kacey: Y
22:19 KikaRz well
22:19 KikaRz Re-boot Universe...
22:20 KikaRz Y
22:20 KikaRz see ya tomorrow
22:20 OldCoder ecube, Your guess was correcct
22:20 KikaRz universe for me its rebooting
22:20 KikaRz :)
22:20 OldCoder *t
22:20 OldCoder KikaRz, bye
22:20 KikaRz :P
22:20 ecube what was my guess?
22:20 OldCoder ecube, it is SIGKILL
22:20 KikaRz Rebooting universe in my mind...
22:20 OldCoder What is happening during /clearobjects?
22:20 ecube Well, the server is abusing the computer's resources trying to remove all the items
22:21 OldCoder Hmm
22:21 OldCoder Which resources? RAM?
22:21 ecube i think so
22:21 ecube i'll try it out
22:23 ecube damn it, i didn't have enough items to cause sigkill
22:23 OldCoder it's fine
22:23 OldCoder testing
22:23 OldCoder ty
22:23 Kacey joined #minetest
22:24 Kacey minetest.net doesnt work for me anymore
22:24 NekoGloop Remove hamachi then.
22:24 Kacey i did that
22:24 OldCoder Kacey, I am working on the world
22:25 telek1 It was acting up yesterday
22:25 telek1 C55 mentioned something about the domain resolving to his cell instead of his server or something weird like that.
22:26 ecube lol
22:26 telek1 Yep, unresolvable now.
22:26 telek1 ecube: Yeah it's really not funny :/
22:27 OldCoder ecube, ty I think that was the issue
22:27 OldCoder May get the world back
22:27 ecube minetest.net goes to 5.9.130.165 for some strange reason
22:28 iqualfragile1 yeah, celeron55 fucked up with his dns
22:28 iqualfragile1 (feel alerted)
22:28 iqualfragile1 gn8
22:28 Muadtralk joined #minetest
22:29 ecube he probably forgot to type some number
22:29 Kacey lol i am making a house out of weegee blocks
22:29 telek1 iqualfragile1: Night.
22:30 marktraceur Kacey: You should put your node in caves randomly, so it appears suddenly and hilariously
22:30 telek1 Hrmm
22:30 Kacey ooh an abm?
22:30 marktraceur Kacey: And if possible make it a light source only for one node, so that node is lit but no others are
22:30 telek1 Is it possible to have a mob 'stick' to a certain direction of blocks?
22:30 Muadtralk joined #minetest
22:31 telek1 IE for having mobs that could walk on walls or ceilings?
22:31 telek1 What about re-orienting the player in another direction?
22:31 marktraceur Kacey: No, not an ABM, just an on_generated function that checks whether it can be seen (i.e., there's an adjacent air block and it's below ground otherwise)
22:32 Kacey marktraceur: that is an abm that doesnt replace a node
22:32 marktraceur telek1: You can set the entity's acceleration to positive 9.8 m/s^2 for stick-to-ceiling, and set its acceleration in the Z or X directions to some number if you want it to walk on walls.
22:32 marktraceur Kacey: It's not an ABM, you don't want it to happen more than once per generated block.
22:33 telek1 marktraceur: Won't it still be oriented towards the floor though?
22:33 marktraceur Kacey: on_generated. Look it up in the API docs.
22:33 marktraceur telek1: Not if you make the textures right :)
22:33 Kacey i cant right now because minetest.net doesnt work
22:33 telek1 marktraceur: ::D
22:33 Muadtralk joined #minetest
22:33 marktraceur Kacey: You have the code checked out, right? doc/lua_api.txt
22:34 Kacey ?
22:34 Kacey omg i feel stupid
22:34 ShadowNinja joined #minetest
22:35 marktraceur Kacey: Don't, it's something us old hats know :)
22:35 Kacey that doc folder seemed useless to me lol
22:40 OldCoder Kacey, can you check 30004 world for me in a little while?
22:40 OldCoder See if it looks right to you?
22:40 Kacey sure
22:42 telek1 Where is the see for a previously generated work stored?
22:42 Kacey i know what my next mod will be!!!!!
22:42 * telek1 wanted to check how one of his legacy worlds looks with all the mods currently on it used to generate the starting terrain over again.
22:43 kaeza joined #minetest
22:44 kaeza hey!
22:45 kaeza Is the forum down again?
22:45 Kacey yep
22:46 kaeza :(
22:46 Kacey c55 is having problems with minetest.net
22:48 TForsman joined #minetest
22:49 kaeza What provider is c55 using for minetest.net? I'll add it to my black list.
22:49 kaeza :)
22:49 Kacey idk
22:49 Kacey OldCoder i am making a new mod
22:49 kaeza wanted to post some images. Does InfinityProject come here?
22:50 Kacey nope
22:50 kaeza Sorry I'm new to this IRC thing.
22:51 Kacey dont worry we all were at one point in time
22:52 kaeza Thanks Kacey. May I ask what mod are you planning? Just being a bit curious...
22:52 Kacey sharpening mod
22:52 Kacey my second mod
22:52 kaeza Sharpening in what sense?
22:52 OldCoder Kacey, Good
22:52 OldCoder kaeza, Hi
22:52 kaeza hi OldCoder
22:52 OldCoder kaeza, Welcome!
22:52 OldCoder Pull up a chair
22:53 OldCoder There is a place for you at a the table :-)
22:53 kaeza Thanks :P
22:53 Kacey like it makes an ore that has a stone in it
22:53 Kacey with that stone, you can smelt it into an ingot
22:53 Kacey with that ingot you can sharpen (repair) your tool
22:54 kaeza Oh I see. That's cool. I really hate when I have to use three MESE blocks to make a new pickaxe.
22:55 Kacey hey it take 9 mese blocks to make a nyan cat block on my crafting mod
22:55 Matsetes Somebody knows Mob framework?
22:55 Kacey ?
22:56 telek1 Matsetes: mobf? No.
22:56 kaeza Yeah, so for both your mod, and Jeija's MeseCons you need A LOT of Mese. So wasting three blocks when you can repair is a good thing.
22:56 telek1 Technic (or whichever submod provides it) has those really nice tool repair booths
22:57 Kacey no that crafting one is for makin mese and nyancat
22:57 telek1 That sure seems necessary for some of the more difficult to produce pieces of equipment.
22:57 kaeza Matsetes: What about it?
22:57 Kacey and my weegee one uses a bit of mese too
22:58 kaeza Sorry, I meant it would be better to repair than to craft a new one.
22:59 Doc22 joined #minetest
23:02 Kacey Hey Doc22 i made a weegee mod
23:02 Doc22 a what mod?
23:02 Doc22 show me
23:02 Doc22 whats the lin
23:02 Doc22 link
23:02 Kacey it is down right now...
23:02 Kacey the link is on the forum topic
23:02 Doc22 just discovered that...
23:02 Kacey lol
23:02 Kacey i am making a new mod
23:02 Doc22 dang ill have to scour the recycling bin
23:03 Doc22 whatzit gunna be
23:03 VanessaE fuck a duck, the minetest forums are down again??
23:03 Kacey sharpening
23:03 Kacey yep
23:03 ecube blame the DNS
23:03 NekoGloop VanessaE: Why would one fuck a duck?
23:03 kaeza yet again :(
23:04 Kacey want to see it so far doc?
23:04 telek1 VanessaE: Isn't that off the minetest.net IP?
23:04 Doc22 huh
23:04 ecube the minetest forums themselves are probably up, but the dns doesn't point to it
23:04 Doc22 sure
23:04 VanessaE telek1: aye.
23:04 Doc22 hmmm
23:04 Kacey do you have teamviewer
23:04 Doc22 crappy service then
23:05 VanessaE NekoGloop: same reason one would screw a kangaroo or finger-bang an orangutan - because it'll create an orgy at the zoo.
23:05 VanessaE sorry, that was bad I know.
23:05 NekoGloop Lol
23:05 kaeza ecube: does that mean I can connect if I use direct IP?
23:05 ecube Yes
23:05 NekoGloop kaeza: Perhaps.
23:05 ecube but what's the direct IP?
23:05 ecube Well, yes, if the direct IP is up
23:06 ecube I'm sure it is
23:06 telek1 That 5. one is the cell, not the server though, right?
23:06 ecube minetest.net doesn't point to the IP
23:07 telek1 Hence you'd need to know the original non-5 IP to connect.
23:07 ecube the DNS is up and the IP is probably up, but the DNS doesn't point to the IP
23:07 telek1 And set your hosts file with it, otherwise it wouldn't pass the 'virtual servername' to the server properly so it'd display the right website.
23:07 ecube it had nothing to do with your local files
23:08 kaeza Unfortunately a WHOIS is out of the question
23:08 OldCoder NekoGloop, Hi
23:08 OldCoder BTW folks...
23:08 ecube i don't use whois
23:08 OldCoder cornernote says hello
23:08 OldCoder Sort of
23:08 kaeza hello to cornernote then :P
23:09 OldCoder If he comes back
23:09 kaeza ?
23:10 dedis2 joined #minetest
23:10 Matsetes I have troubles with the forum website...
23:11 ecube the DNS that points to it points to the wrong place
23:11 Kacey haha oops forgot to make background transparent
23:11 kaeza Matsetes: It's down
23:11 Matsetes Oh, damn!
23:11 Doc22_ joined #minetest
23:12 Matsetes Until when?
23:12 Doc22 there
23:13 kaeza IDK
23:13 kaeza Is c55 out there?
23:14 ecube unlikely
23:17 OldCoder I could run new forums but I'd rather repair the old ones
23:18 OldCoder Is this just a Hamachi issue?
23:19 kaeza Maybe switch to a better host
23:20 kaeza IDK which one to suggest. PS: I meant DNS service
23:22 jin_xi joined #minetest
23:26 Octupus joined #minetest
23:26 Octupus Hola
23:26 kaeza hola
23:27 kaeza hola pul
23:27 kaeza po
23:27 telek1 OldCoder: Now it's a DNS resolver issue, according to c55 yesterday
23:28 OldCoder O.K.
23:29 OldCoder telek1, Access to site by IP does not work?
23:29 Doc22 joined #minetest
23:30 Octupus hi DOc22
23:30 telek1 OldCoder: Didn't the other day. It's a virtual server and without the right domainname passed to it it was giving an errorpage.
23:30 Doc22 hey octu
23:30 Doc22 wanna play on my server octu?
23:30 Doc22 i freed up memory for it
23:30 Octupus Sure Doc
23:30 Doc22 and btw where did kacey go
23:30 Octupus idk
23:31 Doc22 ok
23:32 RealBadAngel minetest.net had an ip like 5.9.130.165 ?
23:32 RealBadAngel looks like hamachi ip
23:32 T_A_N_K joined #minetest
23:32 OldCoder telek1, I can fix that
23:32 OldCoder telek1, I can run a DNS that is configured properly
23:32 OldCoder But
23:32 OldCoder People would need to use it explicitly; so never mind
23:32 T_A_N_K Doing server test
23:32 telek1 OldCoder: Agreed.
23:34 kaeza I for me, don't mind
23:34 T_A_N_K first 8 people on hamachi server testminetestmine and testminetestmine1 can help
23:34 Octupus i delete my hamachi T_A_N_K and heelo :)
23:35 T_A_N_K hi neglopus
23:35 kaeza RealBadAngel: the IP doesn't seem to work
23:35 NekoGloop Meow.
23:35 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/inv.png
23:35 Octupus hi
23:35 RealBadAngel current state of creative for technic
23:36 kaeza RealBadAngel: What is that?
23:36 kaeza oh nevermind
23:37 RealBadAngel technic player inventory menu
23:38 kaeza I haven't tested technic yet. What are those on the right?
23:38 RealBadAngel just tiles to plan the grid where items will be shown like in creative inventory
23:39 Muadtralk left #minetest
23:39 telek1 Is it possible to make scripts just fail instead of raising an exception?
23:40 RealBadAngel i dont think so
23:40 kaeza I've been having the same idea. Whether creative inv would be bigger. With Unifieddyes and unifiedbricks you have about 50 pages IIRC.
23:41 kaeza telek1: what do you mean?
23:41 RealBadAngel it will be way faster than old creative
23:41 RealBadAngel first of all those will be buttons
23:41 RealBadAngel press to get the stack
23:41 kaeza RealBadAngel: +1 for that
23:41 kaeza heck +
23:42 kaeza 2000
23:42 marktraceur telek1: What do you mean? Failing mods?
23:42 kaeza Maybe use `pcall' from Lua?
23:42 telek1 marktraceur: animal mod and some others, like the ='nil' failure VanessaE was mentioning earlier.
23:43 jin_xi hi all
23:43 kaeza hi jin_xi
23:43 RealBadAngel kaeza, i think usable version will be out tommorow
23:43 kaeza cool
23:43 kaeza If the forum is up though :)
23:43 telek1 It's ok if a mod fails on startup, but ones that randomly fail during operation are a PITA
23:44 RealBadAngel ive integrated by now, cornernotes homepos, bags, added crafting guide
23:44 RealBadAngel now are those buttons left
23:45 kaeza telek: I know that feel bro. Maybe we could just print exceptions as warnings? This would require C+
23:45 kaeza +
23:45 kaeza I think
23:45 T_A_N_K I think my server is the first one with technic 8)
23:45 kaeza Sorry the plus sign somehow is pressing my enter key
23:45 RealBadAngel print warnings and allow maltuction mods to work?
23:45 RealBadAngel thats actually bad idea
23:45 telek1 kaeza: Should be possible with lua too, but I'm not sure what would be required script-wise to do it.
23:46 VanessaE kaeza: more like 65 pages with unifieddyes and the stuff that uses it :-)
23:46 RealBadAngel add like 20 pages of stairs+ ;)
23:46 kaeza RealBadAngel: Maybe make a "Testing" game option that allows that?
23:47 telek1 RBA: Can't disagree it could be bad, but having to remove say the animal mod and clean up all the now undefined mobs wandering around as purple squares can be just as frustrating.
23:47 RealBadAngel no way, mods could do total mess in the world
23:48 kaeza Actually I have that very problem right now. I think the MOBS are bugging my map. I removed the mod but get LOTS of "Unknown object"s. How do I get rid of them?
23:48 RealBadAngel telek: /clearobjects and purple monsters are gone
23:49 kaeza nevermind
23:49 kaeza already answered
23:49 kaeza Didn't know that RBA
23:49 kaeza thanks
23:49 RealBadAngel np
23:52 kaeza Maybe one could hook for example minetest.register_node, and make it return wrap
23:52 kaeza HELL ENTER
23:53 kaeza Maybe one could hook for example minetest.register_node, and make it return a wrapper that calls it's on_punch through pcall. Just an idea.
23:55 telek1 RBA: Doesn't that clear all mobs, not just purple ones?
23:56 VanessaE kaeza: that clears all entities, which includes all mobs.
23:56 telek1 Also what happened to the rats and is there a mod that re-enables them?
23:56 VanessaE (entities can also be dropped objects like a block of dirt though)
23:56 VanessaE rats were removed in 0.3.1->0.4.x, you can get them back with the MOBF mod.
23:56 VanessaE (I think)
23:57 telek1 And wasn't it post 0.4?
23:57 telek1 Or was 0.3.1 the first mod version
23:59 kaeza VanessaE: That's exactly what I want. I believe it also deletes carts I think; I believe they are entities after all.

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