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00:02 VanessaE there MUCh better
00:02 VanessaE got the laptop running Ubuntu Precise again, this time with the latest Gallium3d driver = it can run minetest at 18-25 fps. :-)
00:05 telek VanessaE: Cool :)
00:05 VanessaE I have finally been freed of the shackles of the fglrx blob and old mesa radeon driver, at least on the laptop :-)
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00:17 telek VanessaE: Congrats :)
00:17 VanessaE thanks :-)
00:17 telek I can't without losing OpenCL support :(
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00:18 VanessaE I think I'll leave the PC with the proprietary blob for now, still a few features missing from the r600g driver that might be of importance.
00:18 telek On the bonus side however I can run both minetest and a bitcoin mining app simultaneously :D
00:18 Doc22 hey guys
00:18 VanessaE hi Doc22
00:18 Doc22 :)
00:18 Doc22 Hey vanessae
00:19 telek What's up Doc(22)?
00:19 Doc22 not much
00:19 VanessaE *groan*
00:19 Doc22 lol
00:19 * VanessaE hands telek a carrot
00:19 Doc22 :D
00:20 telek Carrots are good for your eyes, so you won't see me complaining :D *munch munch*
00:20 VanessaE lol
00:20 Bugs_Bunny Eahhh, what's up doc? (munches carrot)
00:20 telek Cute :D
00:20 Bugs_Bunny D:
00:20 Bugs_Bunny wait a sec...
00:21 Bugs_Bunny ruskie you were on #java on quakenet right
00:21 Doc22 i remember you
00:22 Doc22 vanessae i remember you told me to turn off alias when i said the furninute was messing up
00:22 Doc22 how do I do thi
00:22 Doc22 this
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00:23 VanessaE texture atlas you mean
00:23 Doc22 yes
00:23 Doc22 hey NekoGloop
00:23 VanessaE enable_texture_atlas = false
00:23 Doc22 oh ok
00:23 VanessaE in your minetest.conf
00:23 Doc22 in the cfg file
00:23 Doc22 onf*
00:23 Doc22 conf**
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00:28 Octupus Hola
00:29 Doc22 heya
00:29 Doc22 octupus come on the server
00:29 Octupus Kay
00:29 Doc22 and btw YOU BROKE YOUR PROMISE X(
00:29 Doc22 lol
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00:30 Octupus What promise?
00:30 Octupus about the mods privilages
00:31 telek Doc22: OMG ruskie is probably that guy from the Black Ops 2 ad with the tablet and the swarm of drones :D
00:32 Octupus maybe im the guy from bo2
00:32 VanessaE how fitting - you ask about the texture atlas, I have to go disable it on the laptop so that my 64px HDX pack looks right :-)
00:32 telek VanessaE: Me?
00:33 VanessaE doc
00:33 telek VanessaE: Because yeah the texture atlas seems buggy too.
00:33 Octupus Dammit i spilt my ice tea :(
00:37 * VanessaE hands Octupus another glass of tea
00:37 Octupus :)
00:37 Octupus gracias
00:38 telek Wow that bug in irrlicht regarding the joints or keyframing or whatever kinda sucks.
00:39 telek Surprised it doesn't warrant a final minor-version fix for the 1.7 series.
00:43 VanessaE good g*d.  my flowers mod sucks CPU :(
00:43 VanessaE my little laptop can't handle it
00:43 OldCoder telek, is there a patch?
00:44 NekoGloop VanessaE: Get a better computer.
00:44 VanessaE NekoGloop: just testing my old laptop, my PC handles it better
00:44 VanessaE (I need to rewrite the mod.  It shouldn't be so heavy)
00:45 NekoGloop It should have a mapgen option.
00:45 VanessaE yeah
00:50 VanessaE bbl
00:53 telek OldCoder: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=52146#p52146 Second link MirceaKitsune has listed at the bottom of the page.
00:54 telek It's not diffed though, just a manual search and replace.
00:54 telek Other than a bit of a performance hit it supposedly does exactly what it should though (and honestly better slow and conforming than fast and broken.)
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01:45 telek Before I forget: http://sproxel.blogspot.com/
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02:09 OldCoder Hi
02:09 OldCoder R
02:09 OldCoder telek ty
02:09 telek Welcome OC.
02:09 OldCoder Thanks again
02:09 OldCoder Which link?
02:09 OldCoder Not clear
02:10 telek Second one, bottom of the page.
02:10 OldCoder I am not clear
02:10 OldCoder Can you copy the link?
02:10 OldCoder I don't see it
02:11 telek http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=47041
02:17 OldCoder R
02:17 OldCoder telek, Do you suppose somebody will release a formal patch?
02:17 OldCoder ty again
02:18 telek Nope. Sounds like it might make it into a release in the future, maybe.
02:18 OldCoder Hmm
02:19 OldCoder Is there enough here for me to figure out a patch?
02:19 OldCoder Checking
02:20 telek If you have to ask, then probably not :D
02:21 telek But yes it's full code snippets. So if you can find the code you need to replace it should just be a simple swap.
02:22 OldCoder telek, I am pretty good at patches but noticed it may be partial
02:22 OldCoder Will need to look closer
02:22 telek Okay. Well I'm off for the night, so cya!
02:24 OldCoder ttyl
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02:46 marktraceur Updated transactor so it pulls things out of furnaces, was broken because InvRefs are (stupidly) 1-indexed
02:47 marktraceur Will work on factories tomorrow or so, but for now, playing time....
03:07 Doc22 how do you make dyes
03:07 Doc22 i have pigment
03:08 Doc22 vanessae do you know
03:08 Doc22 oh nvm someone on a server told me
03:10 RealBadAngel http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=28399#p28399
03:11 RealBadAngel if you want to make dyes use grinder
03:11 RealBadAngel 1 coal dust -> 2 dye black
03:11 RealBadAngel 1 cactus -> 2 dye green
03:11 RealBadAngel 1 dry shrub -> 2 dye brown
03:11 RealBadAngel 1 flower geranium -> 2 dye blue
03:11 RealBadAngel 1 flower dandelion white -> 2 dye white
03:11 RealBadAngel 1 flower dandelion yellow -> 2 dye yellow
03:11 RealBadAngel 1 flower tulip -> 2 dye orange
03:12 RealBadAngel 1 flower rose -> 2 dye red
03:12 RealBadAngel 1 flower viola -> 2 dye violet
03:12 marktraceur Wow, pastebin please.
03:12 RealBadAngel too late ;)
03:12 RealBadAngel sorry :)
03:12 marktraceur RealBadAngel: No, it's not, the pastebin sites are still up! In fact, maybe put that in a forum post so it's more permanent and searchable!
03:13 RealBadAngel it is on the forums :P
03:13 RealBadAngel http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2538
03:13 RealBadAngel check grinding recipes
03:14 marktraceur RealBadAngel: Then link there! No need for pastebin, even.
03:15 Doc22 night guys
03:15 Doc22 gtg
03:16 Doc22 and thanks rba
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04:01 NakedFury I think I froze minetest.org 30000
04:07 OldCoder Oh?
04:07 OldCoder Checking
04:07 OldCoder ty for mention
04:08 OldCoder Whoa
04:08 OldCoder Hold on
04:08 OldCoder WTF
04:09 OldCoder NakedFury, *something* is odd
04:09 OldCoder I am restarting all the worlds
04:09 OldCoder NakedFury, WTF happened?
04:09 NakedFury I think I found the limit of worldedit
04:09 OldCoder 5.6 42.5  80:33.75
04:10 OldCoder You did indeed!!!
04:10 NakedFury too big an area to edit
04:10 OldCoder That 80
04:10 OldCoder is CPU time!
04:10 OldCoder The 42.5 is memory!
04:10 OldCoder Heh
04:10 OldCoder You hosed my VPS!
04:10 * OldCoder laughs
04:10 OldCoder No more WorldEdit Whole World please
04:10 NakedFury shows the game still has some problems then?
04:10 OldCoder Oh yes
04:10 OldCoder I never saw numbers like those before
04:11 OldCoder Still shutting down
04:11 OldCoder Give it a few minutes
04:11 OldCoder Should be fine then
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04:26 OldCoder NakedFury, 30000 is still flushing
04:26 OldCoder You surely found the limits! :-)
04:30 NakedFury I was editing a 177 length x 32 height x 6 wide area
04:30 NakedFury over 60 times
04:31 NakedFury so yes that blew worldedit
04:31 NakedFury need to test it on single player too
04:34 NakedFury decided to try an underground city starts at -1000 y
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04:51 marktraceur Does anyone understand the get_craft_result( { type = 'fuel' } ) output?
04:51 marktraceur It doesn't appear to work for me....I'm not sure why
04:52 marktraceur minetest.get_craft_result( { method = 'fuel', width = 1, items = { tmpis } } ) <-- tmpis is an ItemStack I'm testing for fuelness
04:52 marktraceur I test out.time ~= 0, but that never seems to be true
04:53 NakedFury never used it before
04:53 NakedFury is there more info on the api documents?
04:53 marktraceur NakedFury: It's documented there as returning out, decremented_input, and out has out.time ~= 0 if the craft was successful.
04:54 marktraceur "output.time = number, if unsuccessful: 0"
04:56 marktraceur Actually, maybe the issue is in my attempt at accessing minetest.registered_items
04:57 marktraceur Aha!
04:57 marktraceur It's not an iteratable list, it's a table
04:57 NakedFury found the solution now?
04:57 marktraceur Yup
04:58 marktraceur NakedFury: ipairs( minetest.registered_items ) will do nothing, silently fails
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04:59 OldCoder NakedFury, I see you're back online
05:00 NakedFury yes gonna do what I wanted manually
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05:07 OldCoder NakedFury, have fun
05:16 marktraceur Well, the transactors are no longer buggy as all hell
05:16 * marktraceur has a high standard for release :P
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11:44 Calinou hi
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12:21 Penguin my Nyan Mod crashed my computer and lost everything
12:24 Penguin I don't know why
12:25 jin_xi what do you mean 'lost everything'
12:27 ruskie rm -rf / ?
12:28 Penguin I had to wipe my computer
12:31 Penguin :(
12:32 Penguin can anyone make textures
12:37 jin_xi ?
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14:28 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
14:28 babyface1031 hello
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14:39 KikaRz Hiii :
14:39 KikaRz :)
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14:40 KikaRz Hi telek
14:40 papillon81 VanessaE: hi. can you tell me where/how to find latex/rubber trees?
14:40 KikaRz i guess shes off
14:41 KikaRz maybe in high distances...
14:41 KikaRz like 10000
14:41 KikaRz i just found snow trees
14:41 KikaRz or something
14:41 KikaRz at 20000
14:42 PilzAdam papillon81, rubber trees spawn randomly in the world, you have to search a bit to find them
14:43 papillon81 PilzAdam: but i'll know they are no normal trees once I see them?
14:43 PilzAdam they look like birch trees
14:44 PilzAdam and why did you asked VanessaE?
14:44 papillon81 thought she was the one who implemented them...
14:44 PilzAdam thats wrong
14:57 PilzAdam Here is the beginning: http://c55.me/blog/?p=102
15:00 OldCoder Why in the world did Penguin need to erase his disk?
15:00 OldCoder Good morning BTW
15:01 babyface1031 good morning
15:01 OldCoder babyface1031, Hey
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15:11 babyface1031 @OldCoder he said his nyan mod crashed his coumputer and wiped his disk
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15:12 OldCoder Ah
15:12 OldCoder ty
15:12 OldCoder Zeg9, your world is running and seems to work
15:12 OldCoder Port 30015 for now
15:12 OldCoder Enjoy
15:13 OldCoder The world name is Zegaton
15:13 OldCoder I'd like to get a list of coordinates so that I can prepare screenshots
15:13 Zeg9 Back
15:14 OldCoder See above
15:14 Zeg9 OldCoder, okay, I'll check
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15:17 OldCoder NakedFury, hi
15:17 NakedFury hi
15:36 KikaRz Hi telek ?
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15:51 KikaRz Welcome back Jordach
15:51 Jordach hello #minetest
16:02 Jordach Taoki i just read your most recent post about the texture
16:02 Taoki hi
16:02 Taoki ok
16:02 Jordach is _IT_ still an issue?
16:02 Taoki What is an issue?
16:02 Jordach http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=52745#p52745
16:03 KikaRz LOVE THAT
16:03 Taoki If you mean your texture, no. Just said that if someone does make a good one too... well I'm not sure if maybe we can have multiple defaults or something
16:03 Jordach KikaRz - i drew the texture by hand and pruned it according to Taoki's wishes
16:03 Taoki But now, the licensing issue and your texture are good since last time we spoke. That is the default texture and up on GIT :)
16:04 Jordach problem is, someone will want a gender specific
16:04 KikaRz who is babe223?
16:04 Taoki Jordach: Your texture is good cuz it's a little gender neutral
16:04 Jordach (and knowing babe223, probably so)
16:04 KikaRz want to know him
16:04 Taoki Also, it will be so easy to allow custom textures it won't even matter
16:05 Jordach Taoki - the hair is a diffuser, cant tell if its a guy with long hair
16:05 Taoki indeed
16:05 Jordach chest details are un-needed since we have no bump mapping
16:05 Taoki We'll have that too :)
16:05 Taoki Parallax mapping even. If I get around to it and it works well
16:05 Jordach the long sleeved wooly jumper does not show off muscles
16:05 KikaRz ill make myself 3D skin
16:06 Jordach KikaRz - use Mcskin3d
16:06 Jordach (win32 only)
16:06 KikaRz i cant use it
16:06 Jordach (the only thing that bugs me is that minetest has no hat support!)
16:06 Jordach D:
16:06 KikaRz lol
16:06 KikaRz poor Jordach.
16:06 KikaRz Want a hug?
16:07 * Jordach is fine
16:08 KikaRz stupid MCSkin3D
16:08 KikaRz dont loads.
16:08 KikaRz now worked.
16:09 KikaRz poor me.
16:09 KikaRz i cant make my long hair
16:09 KikaRz :(
16:09 KikaRz or my pony tail
16:11 KikaRz can i use this? http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/571250
16:11 KikaRz better for me.
16:11 KikaRz it saves in bmp too
16:11 KikaRz love using that
16:12 KikaRz can i use it?
16:13 Taoki Does anyone still have the colored lights code or GIT branch? This is a video of it... seems the author removed it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MWZxyCsbv4
16:14 ruskie OldCoder, anything happening to europe?
16:15 OldCoder ruskie, Checking
16:17 OldCoder ruskie, Just timeouts
16:17 OldCoder Wait
16:17 KikaRz oldcoder
16:17 OldCoder No; it went down
16:17 KikaRz where is european server hosted?
16:17 OldCoder Hold on
16:17 OldCoder KikaRz, Europe :-)
16:17 KikaRz ...
16:17 OldCoder Actually I don't recall the city
16:17 KikaRz Country.
16:17 OldCoder Hold on
16:17 OldCoder I need to see what's happening. Wait.
16:17 OldCoder VPS is fine
16:17 ruskie dublin probably
16:18 ruskie atleast going by geoip data
16:18 OldCoder Restarting
16:18 OldCoder No explanation for outage
16:18 ruskie happens
16:18 OldCoder Checking database first
16:19 KikaRz ..
16:19 * ruskie is used to it as a sysadmin
16:19 OldCoder Hmm
16:19 OldCoder I haven't converted Europe to LevelDB yet
16:19 OldCoder I'll get around to that soon
16:19 ruskie when will a protection mod be back on it?
16:19 OldCoder Hmm
16:20 OldCoder We have glomie
16:20 OldCoder There is a third one
16:20 OldCoder Remind me in December
16:20 OldCoder I'm trying to proceed cautiously
16:20 ruskie ok
16:20 ruskie I guess leveldb should be a priority
16:20 OldCoder Yes
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16:20 OldCoder Looks like Europe world went down a couple of hours ago
16:20 OldCoder But no signs of a crash
16:21 OldCoder Database compaction in progress
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16:22 OldCoder Odd because I have auto-restart for these worlds
16:22 OldCoder john_minetest, Hello
16:24 OldCoder ruskie, try Europe now
16:24 OldCoder Report any further outages
16:24 OldCoder May have been a VPS glitch
16:24 OldCoder A reboot would do it
16:24 ruskie yeah it's connecting
16:24 ruskie now just need to figure out what construct next
16:24 john_minetest hi
16:24 KikaRz finishing my skin..
16:26 * Jordach is bored
16:26 Jordach and im engineering designs for suspension bridges
16:26 Jordach (literal place downs)
16:27 Jordach (in worldedit, with correct axis_
16:27 Jordach - _ +)
16:27 Jordach .
16:27 marktraceur Jordach: Go have an adventure!
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16:29 KikaRz Jordach
16:29 KikaRz i can make my skin in Skincraft? http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/571250
16:29 KikaRz i cant make in MCSkin3D
16:29 KikaRz its too laggy for me
16:31 OldCoder I'm going to purchase cola or juice. Back soon.
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16:37 KikaRz Made the SKIN! :D
16:37 KikaRz telek, are you there? :(
16:41 KikaRz celeron55, all the MT fans, are helping you and theirselves in the upgrading of Minetest :)
16:41 KikaRz Now: Fixed Idea to think today: Players and Mobs 3D.
16:41 john_minetest players 3d will be so epic.
16:41 john_minetest and the carts will finally work
16:42 KikaRz Yea
16:42 KikaRz i've already done my simple skin
16:42 KikaRz in SkinCraft
16:42 KikaRz but if its going to be in blender
16:42 KikaRz ill never get my skin
16:42 KikaRz :(
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16:43 john_minetest Hi Jeija
16:43 Jordach 0
16:43 Jordach KikaRz - if you made a hat in skincraft, done expect it to work
16:43 KikaRz no
16:44 KikaRz i didnt a hat
16:44 Jordach add
16:44 KikaRz i can add?
16:44 KikaRz or itll bug?
16:44 KikaRz well, i can add some headphones *-*
16:45 KikaRz i can make a better parody.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9emjalsOsE&amp;feature=relmfu
16:45 KikaRz but not minecraft style, but yes minetest.
16:48 KikaRz volume of computer 120%
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16:51 KikaRz Jordach
16:51 KikaRz are you sure that itll work?
16:52 john_minetest lol just wrote a text with all smilies aviable in skype xD
16:52 Jordach KikaRz - the hat layer in skincraft will not appear in minetest
16:52 KikaRz so
16:53 KikaRz why i shall make a hat?
16:53 KikaRz -.-
16:53 KikaRz well
16:53 KikaRz anyways
16:53 KikaRz making a copy of skin
16:53 KikaRz and putting in the copy, a hat
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16:57 KikaRz so
16:57 KikaRz how itll work?
16:58 Jordach KikaRz - this aint even upstream yet
16:58 Jordach or in master
16:58 Jordach so hold yer horse
16:58 KikaRz ???
16:58 KikaRz i just questioned:
16:58 KikaRz How it'll work
16:58 * Jordach has been planning on buying two alienware towers
16:59 KikaRz there will be a skin system?
16:59 Jordach KikaRz - probably not
16:59 KikaRz so?
16:59 KikaRz the client with skin will upload the skin to the server?
16:59 KikaRz that was too laggy.
16:59 Jordach KikaRz - it will more than likely be server sent
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16:59 Jordach (server has all skins(
17:00 KikaRz o_o'
17:00 KikaRz too laggy too
17:01 KikaRz we must download all the skins of the players? O_O'
17:01 PilzAdam currently all textures (nodes etc.) are downloaded from the server
17:02 RealBadAngel with the tcp code it will be much faster
17:03 * PilzAdam wonders when c55 will merge it upstream
17:03 KikaRz yea i know...
17:03 RealBadAngel this century for sure ;)
17:03 KikaRz lol
17:03 PilzAdam with c55?!?! nah...
17:05 rubenwardy What does everyone think of this? http://multa.webs.com/screenshot_minetest.jpg
17:06 Jordach looks good
17:07 Jordach PilzAdam - i am thinking of buying two alienware pc towers with FULL Specs
17:07 PilzAdam give me one ;-)
17:07 Jordach (16gb of ram, 4.3ghz i7, total cost of 10,000+ in euros)
17:07 Jordach and about 6tb of hard disk
17:08 PilzAdam now i want both
17:08 Jordach i just had a future moment, tries minetest on it, gets 5fps
17:08 Jordach FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
17:08 thexyz awful
17:08 Jordach thexyz - i would put linux on it, IF THEY WERE NOT bought out BY DELL
17:09 thexyz why does it cost 10k+ euros?
17:09 Jordach because im planning on buying two
17:10 PilzAdam heres a free euro character: €
17:11 Jordach :D
17:11 Jordach PilzAdam - /me then adds a third alienware to the list
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17:12 PilzAdam has anyone any pull request to minetest_game that is not on GitHub?
17:13 Jordach hello Calinou
17:14 thexyz Jordach: just build it yourself
17:17 RealBadAngel for such money you can build better box than it
17:17 Calinou hi
17:17 KikaRz jordach
17:17 RealBadAngel and with water cooling system
17:17 Calinou watercooling, lol
17:17 KikaRz i got 5 GB RAM and a i7
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17:17 Calinou i7, 12gb ram
17:17 Calinou PWNT
17:17 KikaRz but i dont have a good video card
17:18 RealBadAngel hi NekoGloop
17:18 Calinou I can run minecraft, i have enough ram :D
17:18 KikaRz calinou
17:18 KikaRz you wrong
17:18 KikaRz my cousin got 5 computers
17:18 Calinou raspis?
17:18 KikaRz each one with 7 GB Ram i7
17:18 KikaRz 2 with Linux Debian
17:18 KikaRz 3 with Windows 7
17:18 KikaRz oh, wrong
17:18 KikaRz 2 with 7 and 1 with XP
17:18 Calinou looks like github got a new "notification" icon
17:19 NekoGloop 2 with mac os x, which sits there rusting.
17:19 RealBadAngel not easier and cheaper to multiboot? ;)
17:19 KikaRz ... 5 computer boxes
17:19 KikaRz not a whole computer
17:19 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7bKqu6ZPbc
17:19 KikaRz if it was a whole one... it was 25 GB RAM (O_O')
17:20 Calinou multibooting sucks
17:20 Calinou better remove windows and upgrade to linux
17:20 RealBadAngel i did so
17:20 NekoGloop downgrade*
17:20 Calinou that's what i do on all my computers i had :>
17:20 NekoGloop FTFY
17:20 KikaRz nope calinou
17:20 * ruskie has 3 24/7 boxen, 1 that's on for a large chunk of time...  so far didn't need more than that active at the same time
17:20 Calinou with UEFI it's a pita :p
17:20 RealBadAngel but had for a long time linux and windows there at the same time
17:22 NekoGloop Instant channel death.
17:22 Calinou NekoGloop: linux is an upgrade, not a downgrade... way too many upsides compared to the amount of downsides
17:22 Calinou no downsides if you don't use AMD stuff. at all.
17:22 Calinou :D
17:22 NekoGloop Calinou: Like not being able to use any software?
17:22 KikaRz Nope
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17:23 KikaRz Linux is a downgrade for someones , REASON: no program support (only with WINE)
17:23 NekoGloop And not loading?
17:23 KikaRz but they are wrong
17:23 NekoGloop Linux never loads.
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17:23 NekoGloop Ubuntu/Debian/Arch, you name it.
17:24 KikaRz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMmyeXeXeK0
17:24 NekoGloop KikaRz: How so?
17:24 KikaRz Lol, the lyrics dotn change
17:24 KikaRz just the scenario
17:24 RealBadAngel sure, Gateism is the only religion
17:24 NekoGloop The only programs you get were either coded by someone else, then you have to compile them, or coded yourself.
17:24 KikaRz Not me.
17:25 KikaRz I dont have problems with linux
17:25 KikaRz but someone people got
17:25 NekoGloop KikaRz: Didnt know youtube lets you disallow mobile viewing.
17:26 KikaRz ...
17:26 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: On a different note, i've played technic MC :3
17:26 KikaRz i know.
17:26 KikaRz but in my phone works
17:27 NekoGloop KikaRz: That video is unavailable to mobiles :>
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17:27 RealBadAngel NekoGloop, you mean technic modpack?
17:27 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: Yeah that.
17:27 KikaRz for me is not
17:27 KikaRz Portugal is different of other countries
17:27 KikaRz i can see all blocked videos for mobile phones
17:27 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: The lasers mod is compatible woot. :3
17:28 RealBadAngel lasers are quite nice
17:28 RealBadAngel especially for large screens
17:29 NekoGloop I'm messing with finding technic-compatible mods.
17:29 RealBadAngel lasers+redpowers packed wireing one can made real huge color LCDs
17:29 NekoGloop Yes, yes you can :3
17:30 RealBadAngel ive added to it Mystcraft, thaumcraft, wireless redstone
17:30 Calinou <NekoGloop> Calinou: Like not being able to use any software?
17:30 Calinou there is plenty of software
17:30 Calinou including a small amount that are linux-only
17:30 Calinou mostly CLI tools :3
17:30 RealBadAngel iron chests, NEI, and a few more
17:30 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: Those three are all in by default.
17:30 Calinou and wine might work too, sometimes.
17:30 NekoGloop As well as iron chests, nei, etc.
17:30 Calinou NekoGloop: never loads?
17:30 RealBadAngel thaumcraft and mystcraft?
17:30 RealBadAngel end ee2?
17:31 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: Yeup.
17:31 NekoGloop All three magical mods, wireless redstone, iron chests, nei, etc.
17:31 NekoGloop Calinou: Open source == someone knows how to hack it.
17:32 RealBadAngel NekoGloop, none of the last 3 are part of technic part you liar :P
17:32 Calinou NekoGloop: lolno
17:32 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: Thaumic duplicator + Buildcraft pipes (or pneumatic tubes) + Energy condenser. Infinite stuff.
17:32 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: Yes they are.
17:32 Calinou proprietary software is not safe for anyone
17:32 NekoGloop You must have an older version.
17:32 RealBadAngel no they dont
17:33 Calinou someone discovers security issue? wait for the dev to fix it!
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17:33 RealBadAngel just checket its webpage
17:33 Calinou OSS is safer. security is not obscurity
17:33 rubenwardy Jordach, or you 313hummer?
17:33 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: Webpage just says the main ones. The wiki is more "all covering"
17:33 KikaRz hey
17:34 KikaRz who can remake Hardcore mod of minecraft?
17:34 KikaRz :p
17:34 KikaRz that was good
17:34 rubenwardy Jordach, are you 313hummer?
17:34 NekoGloop Although they have cut out some mods from technic.
17:35 RealBadAngel maybe, in fact i dont care anylonger :)
17:35 KikaRz realbadangel
17:35 KikaRz why you dont try to make this:
17:36 KikaRz well, its a drill (or a laser, i think) that mines
17:36 KikaRz and recollect resources to a chest
17:36 NekoGloop Mining well
17:36 KikaRz i guess its that...
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17:37 KikaRz Wb Jordach
17:37 RealBadAngel KikaRz, and chest? is floating in the air following you all the time?
17:37 KikaRz no
17:37 KikaRz ...
17:37 KikaRz well
17:37 KikaRz let me explain with a drawwing in text...
17:38 KikaRz or better
17:38 KikaRz as a video
17:38 RealBadAngel before you start, its impossible to put something to the chest which is in uloaded area
17:38 KikaRz a sec...
17:39 RealBadAngel ok, go on
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17:45 KikaRz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Eb8vBANxoM+
17:45 KikaRz yea
17:45 KikaRz its a mining well
17:45 KikaRz but it was hard to do if it wasnt loaded.
17:45 KikaRz in a server, it would work...
17:45 KikaRz but in single player.
17:45 KikaRz maybe not
17:47 NekoGloop In technic, i never leave my house.
17:47 NekoGloop Energy collectors mkIII, antimatter relays mkIII, and energy condenser.
17:48 NekoGloop == I AM GOD.
17:48 KikaRz and like quarry.
17:48 NekoGloop Quarry so useless.
17:49 KikaRz yep *-*
17:49 NekoGloop Considering the cost of making one, you are gonna have so much crap you wont know what to do with it.
17:49 NekoGloop (By the time you get one, i mean)
17:50 RealBadAngel KikaRz, those features has nothin to do with tools
17:50 NekoGloop Divining rod + gem/diamond pick = rollin' with EMC.
17:51 KikaRz :/
17:51 NekoGloop s/with/in/
17:51 KikaRz just try to make quarry for Technic *-*
17:51 RealBadAngel when lua entities will be fixed and reliable
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17:52 RealBadAngel by now makin somethin that wont really work doesnt make any sense
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17:53 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: Something like minetest?
17:54 RealBadAngel NekoGloop, bout EMC, try to build Flowers
17:54 marktraceur What's technic? (sorry, have been out of the community a while, don't know all this stuff)
17:54 RealBadAngel i had plants made of 32 flowers each
17:54 telek I just wanna know where my human, elf, dwarf, goblin, and kobold NPCs are! :D
17:55 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: Glowstone + Energy Collector mkIII + Antimatter Relay mkIII + Energy condenser.
17:55 RealBadAngel each flower produced one diamond block in about a minute
17:55 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: Can antimatter relays be chained?
17:56 RealBadAngel make output on energy condenser with diamonds, send them through tobes to another central collector
17:56 RealBadAngel *tubes
17:56 NekoGloop So not directly?
17:57 RealBadAngel in 2 days you will loose interest in building something in minecraft
17:57 NekoGloop Why? :3
17:57 RealBadAngel you just made creative mode out of your world
17:57 NekoGloop Heh.
17:57 NekoGloop Many things cannot be condensed.
17:58 NekoGloop Such as pretty much everything from thaumcraft.
17:58 RealBadAngel diamonds are cheaper than dirt then
17:58 RealBadAngel and all the materials
17:59 RealBadAngel folks were crying OMG diamod for 8192 emc???
17:59 PilzAdam what do you guys actually think about this? https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/40
17:59 NekoGloop Me: *faints from red matter EMC cost*
18:00 RealBadAngel i was getting  hundreds of milions EMC in a few hours of gameplay
18:00 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: Yet there's still so much you can do.
18:00 RealBadAngel yup
18:00 Jordach NekoGloop, RealBadAngel - shall i run a tekkit server?
18:00 * marktraceur wonders what EMC is
18:01 RealBadAngel choose another game or erase EE2
18:01 Jordach or the technic server
18:01 NekoGloop Jordach: Sure.
18:01 RealBadAngel idea that each object has a value
18:01 NekoGloop Technic servers dont work IIRC.
18:01 Jordach RealBadAngel - THAT CAN BE done with a array
18:01 RealBadAngel and you can transmute one object into another
18:02 Jordach (rather than havin to redefine every damn mod)
18:02 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: Yeah well i dont like weeks of digging for one damn diamond.
18:02 RealBadAngel as i mentioned 1 diamond were worth 8192 cobble or dirt
18:03 RealBadAngel in minecraft i had huge machines that did that for me
18:03 NekoGloop Granted i could make an IC2 condenser, and do that thing with making a diamond.
18:03 NekoGloop Obsidian can be made from lava cells and water cells woot :3
18:04 RealBadAngel anyway, as you propably know i dont play mc anymore
18:04 RealBadAngel i like to play and code at the same time
18:04 marktraceur Is this a mod that adds in really complex scientific devices? Really?
18:05 RealBadAngel its a bunch of mods
18:05 NekoGloop I like to not have people piss on my ideas, but hey, we all have hobbies.
18:05 NekoGloop marktraceur: Minecraft.
18:05 marktraceur NekoGloop: Well, this does appear to be #minetest
18:05 RealBadAngel selection of propably best mods made for minecraft
18:06 OldCoder Bach
18:06 marktraceur Seems like ##minecraft might be the place for this conversation
18:06 NekoGloop Sebastian?
18:06 OldCoder NekoGloop, marktraceur, RealBadAngel Hey
18:06 NekoGloop marktraceur: The purpose of the double hash is?
18:06 OldCoder <NekoGloop> == I AM GOD
18:06 OldCoder The job presumably offers fringe benefits
18:07 telek NekoGloop: To get 2x as high? :D
18:07 OldCoder But no retirement
18:07 marktraceur NekoGloop: That it's generally off-topic for Freenode, because it's not a free software project
18:07 RealBadAngel OldCoder, hi
18:07 * OldCoder nods
18:07 NekoGloop marktraceur: And they'll kick you for talking about technic.
18:07 OldCoder RealBadAngel, make me an angel PNG
18:07 OldCoder Carrying weapons!
18:07 marktraceur NekoGloop: If that happens you can call the Freenode staff and ask them to de-op the person who wrongly kicked you, likely
18:07 marktraceur NekoGloop: Or better yet, start the ##mc-technic channel
18:07 NekoGloop Nope.
18:08 NekoGloop Freenode staff dont give a shit
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18:08 ruskie freenode staff only take care of the network
18:08 NekoGloop And they'll all be re-opped, even if they do de-op them.
18:08 ruskie channels are managed by chanowners and chanops
18:08 Penguin hi
18:08 marktraceur NekoGloop: Then start ##minecraft-technic or whatever
18:09 NekoGloop marktraceur: Do i look like i give a fuck?
18:09 RealBadAngel marktraceur, the technic pack, or rather some mods from it, are the source of ideas for my own mod for minetest
18:09 marktraceur NekoGloop: You look like you're wildly off-topic in this channel, so I think you *should*
18:09 RealBadAngel so talkin bout them is ok imho
18:09 marktraceur RealBadAngel: If you were talking about your mod, I'd agree
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18:10 NekoGloop marktraceur: This channel has no purpose, other than making people consider suicide.
18:10 marktraceur NekoGloop: This channel is for the support and development of a free game. You're not doing either of those things, so....
18:11 NekoGloop marktraceur: Support is nonexistant. Development is #minetest-dev or #minetest-delta , never here.
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18:11 marktraceur NekoGloop: Development of mods is here, I mean. I support people who come in.
18:12 NekoGloop marktraceur: And #minetest-mods
18:12 marktraceur NekoGloop: I didn't realize that was still around, but I was under the impression that it got dropped
18:12 marktraceur In favor of not splitting off too many channels
18:13 KikaRz Telek :D
18:13 KikaRz telek *
18:13 KikaRz how are you??? :)
18:13 marktraceur NekoGloop: In any case, the channel is definitely supposed to be for a free game, named minetest. If you're not discussing that, you probably should be elsewhere
18:14 NekoGloop marktraceur: A free game that isnt being developed.
18:14 roxc could someone here tell me if minetest woul run on mips without too much modification?
18:14 KikaRz mips? o_o'
18:14 KikaRz what's that mips?
18:14 roxc the architecture of my router
18:14 KikaRz Searching on my friend Google...
18:14 marktraceur NekoGloop: That's a pretty subjective claim, but even assuming it's true, the community here is still alive and well.
18:15 NekoGloop It is very true.
18:15 john_minetest NekoGloop: Look on github. the game is under heavy development.
18:15 KikaRz roxc, you can run minetest without much modifications just by modificating it.
18:15 KikaRz :p
18:15 jin_xi ^^^ huh?
18:15 NekoGloop And the community? Only serves the purpose of making you feel like you wanna die.
18:15 PilzAdam marktraceur, NekoGloop and others are very offtopic sometimes, but in general they talk about Minetest
18:16 PilzAdam but i absolutly agree to your point
18:16 KikaRz jin_xi, if you modificate it, you dont need to modificate it again
18:16 NakedFury nobody has ever made me feel like dying
18:16 KikaRz just if you format / reinstall it :p
18:16 KikaRz telek, are you there ? :(
18:16 marktraceur PilzAdam: I'm not opposed to them being here, but I think they should discuss Minecraft, and its mods, somewhere more appropriate.
18:16 Jordach NekoGloop - i could easily code your ideas
18:16 * marktraceur didn't join this channel to discuss a game he doesn't play
18:16 telek KikaRz: Hmm?
18:16 Jordach (but lua for me is a no go)
18:16 KikaRz Ohai :D
18:16 NekoGloop I played it.
18:17 Jordach NekoGloop PM
18:17 NekoGloop Until i realized its never gonna work right on windows.
18:17 NekoGloop Jordach: No.
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18:17 roxc well i guess that means it takes at least some effort
18:18 telek What's up KikaRz?
18:18 NekoGloop Its not gonna work on windows, which is the os that anyone in their right mind uses.
18:18 marktraceur roxc: You'd need to cross-compile it, but I'm not sure it would need much porting, so long as your device had enough resources to handle it
18:18 marktraceur NekoGloop: See, that seems a bit hostile to me. What's with that?
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18:19 NekoGloop marktraceur: Because no one cares about lil' ol' me.
18:19 KikaRz im fine, and you, telek?
18:19 marktraceur NekoGloop: We care, but you're making it hard when you're so hostile.
18:20 telek Okay, catching up on the news.
18:20 roxc i didn't  host a server yet but as i have been told it needs nearly none
18:20 marktraceur roxc: You may have been misinformed. There needs to be at least some CPU power.
18:20 NekoGloop marktraceur: I wasnt hostile until i removed my mods and no one even noticed.
18:21 jin_xi lolwut
18:21 Calinou <NekoGloop> marktraceur: A free game that isnt being developed. < read the commit log, it's much more active now..
18:21 NekoGloop Calinou: With little things.
18:21 Calinou better than nothing
18:22 Calinou lots of bugfixes is good
18:22 roxc it has to have some or it probably wouldnt work
18:22 marktraceur NekoGloop: I'm sorry to hear that, I wish I'd been around to notice. I have been MIA for a long time, so it's unlikely that I would have.
18:22 PilzAdam NekoGloop, what do you expect from the developers?
18:22 harrison ooh a flamewar can i play?
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18:22 NekoGloop PilzAdam: Developments?
18:23 PilzAdam what exactly? you are calling the current development "little things"
18:23 harrison resolved: microsoft is antifreedom and therefore antilife and must be deprecated
18:23 harrison discuss
18:24 roxc 500MHz says the web
18:24 NekoGloop harrison: Perfect amount of freedom.
18:24 harrison NekoGloop claims that antifreedom is freedom. sicuss
18:24 marktraceur harrison: Inciting flame wars seems like exactly the opposite of productive.
18:25 marktraceur roxc: That's minimum, it might only support a few players.
18:25 harrison inspiration have i none -- just to touch the flaming dove
18:25 telek NekoGloop: Or y'know some of us noticed, but due to your attitude the other day we just decided to respect your decision, since you seemed so inclined to do so.
18:26 roxc thats not much but we have never been more than two in the last weeks
18:26 NekoGloop telek: You all only noticed because i said so.
18:26 marktraceur NekoGloop: These people are volunteers, so sometimes they drop off and come back. Sometimes they're too busy to work. One of the cool things is that when they disappear, the world doesn't stop. We can keep working.
18:27 harrison i made a film recently http://spasim.org/wordpress/?page_id=24
18:27 marktraceur NekoGloop: Minetest doesn't cost anything. But if there's something you really want, maybe you can hire a freelance developer to make a feature for you, and contribute it back to the community as a donation.
18:27 NekoGloop marktraceur: For upwards of $5000
18:28 harrison or keep it for himself
18:28 harrison next step
18:28 * Jordach starts paying OldCoder in bitcoins
18:28 marktraceur NekoGloop: Or even make it yourself, if you have the ability to do so (I don't know your experience)
18:28 harrison $$$
18:28 KikaRz telek, go onto the game
18:28 marktraceur NekoGloop: Depending on your wishlist, the price of the developer, and their skill, it might be that much or less.
18:28 NekoGloop marktraceur: I cant even code in lua worth shit (or at least, this is the consensus)
18:28 marktraceur NekoGloop: You could ask for help from the people in this channel, they may pitch in
18:29 marktraceur NekoGloop: You could start a kickstarter to ask for help with the financing
18:29 KikaRz Someone, give me chair recipe.
18:29 marktraceur (asking for quotes would be the first step, I suppose)
18:29 NekoGloop KikaRz: http://minetest.net/forum
18:29 Calinou kickstarter is overrated (and closed source :D)
18:29 KikaRz I cant enter when in game
18:29 KikaRz -.-
18:29 KikaRz my computer lags.
18:29 Calinou if you're not promising everyone who donates $20 to get a lamborghini, you get nothing
18:29 KikaRz im in the old one
18:30 NekoGloop Calinou: That said, you can always just *say* they will get it.
18:30 Jordach oh yes the great Minetest performance divide
18:30 NekoGloop Jordach: Worse than the minecraft one.
18:30 marktraceur Calinou: I think there may be a good way to incentivize this through stickers and t-shirts with minetest images on them, maybe posters too
18:31 Jordach NekoGloop agreed totally
18:31 Jordach 120fps over there
18:31 NekoGloop I cant even alttab while playing minetest -_-
18:31 * Jordach warms up the pixel art skills
18:31 Calinou on slow computers mt is faster, on good computers mc is usually faster (though not always)
18:31 marktraceur Calinou: As for non-free software bit, yeah, but there aren't a lot of great objects for payment processing. Maybe PayPal?
18:31 Calinou NekoGloop: don't play in fullscreen
18:31 NekoGloop Calinou: Duh?
18:31 marktraceur s/objects/options/
18:31 NekoGloop I dont?
18:31 Calinou marktraceur: i know no free payment method :p
18:31 Jordach PAYPAL.
18:32 Calinou NekoGloop: ah... though the fullscreen shouldn't matter, you can alt tab in fullscreen on windows...
18:32 Jordach (you lose about 6-20%)
18:32 NekoGloop Calinou: Yes. Yes you can.
18:32 marktraceur Calinou: You may or may not know, I work at the Wikmedia Foundation....I know our fundraising people really hate the payment processing parts of their job
18:32 NekoGloop I use it to escape from a youtube video that fails to fullscreen.
18:33 Calinou wikimedia employee? *starts hating on WP admins*
18:34 Calinou you know about minetest being removed from wikipedia?
18:34 marktraceur Calinou: No, we really don't admin the sites
18:34 Calinou i know :P
18:34 marktraceur Calinou: We just make and maintain the software :)
18:35 marktraceur Well, and set up and maintain the infrastructure.
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18:39 telek Jordach: Sproxel! :D
18:39 OldCoder Hey!
18:39 * OldCoder reads up
18:40 OldCoder Bitcoins :-)
18:40 OldCoder Some of you mine them
18:40 OldCoder Surely you will be wealthy soon :p
18:40 OldCoder But it is a nice concept
18:40 OldCoder I need to build the software for my distro
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18:45 john_minetest http://www.getdigital.de/index/partnermotive/lng/en maybe selling t-shirts?
18:53 telek Lol, bitcoin is a ponzi scam :D
18:53 marktraceur telek: Yes, but it's a decentralized, community-run ponzi scam. Power of open source!
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18:54 telek If you give the default percentage for transfer verification now, it's like a half day's work (0.01 BTC is about even with power costs and not including hardware upgrade costs now)
18:57 telek marktraceur: Indeed! If you actually calculate your power usage versus the cost of BTC production, it's about breakeven on low-end gpu hardware (cpu would be totally useless now). Additionally if you start factoring in disk usage and such, it'll be below break-even before 2017 or whenever the bitcoin supply is supposed to run out. And that's assuming someone with a large enough computer/cluster doesn't decide to see if they can 'outrun'
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18:57 Doc22 oldcoder
18:57 * telek waves.
18:57 Doc22 i read what you said
18:57 Doc22 hey telek
18:57 Doc22 do you mena duplicators or anything mesecons
18:57 Doc22 mean
18:57 marktraceur telek: Well, and you also need to factor in the market. Uncertainty aside, the more people who use bitcoin, the higher their value.
18:58 marktraceur telek: My brother, I think, realized this and started campaigning for more widespread use :)
18:58 Doc22 oldcoder
18:58 telek marktraceur: Agreed, but given that it seems to be hovering at 11 dollars still, I don't see the price increasing in the near future.
18:58 marktraceur telek: That's because there needs to be a big push in order for it to be usable
18:59 telek marktraceur: Given how long it's been around, I kinda question if that'll happen. Bitcoin seems like the secondlife of virtual currency :D
19:00 telek Other than the bad I haven't heard anything positive about bitcoins in at least 6 months.
19:00 OldCoder Doc22
19:00 OldCoder Doc22, Please destroy those machines
19:00 * marktraceur won't argue the point, but it's possible that it'll be used more in future
19:00 Doc22 babyface told me
19:00 OldCoder Permanently
19:00 Doc22 i destroyed mine
19:00 Doc22 i had only one
19:00 Doc22 :)
19:00 OldCoder No more please
19:01 OldCoder Anything that runs unattended
19:01 OldCoder This costs me money in real life
19:01 Doc22 i undersand
19:01 OldCoder And hurts the other worlds
19:01 Doc22 no explanation eeded
19:01 Doc22 lets hope nobody finds out about it
19:01 Doc22 ;D
19:01 OldCoder Maybe if I upgrade sometime to a higher plan
19:01 OldCoder Finds out?
19:01 Doc22 about the "machines'
19:01 OldCoder This is not exactly a top secret forum
19:01 Doc22 that way it doesnt become a forum
19:01 OldCoder If there is a problem
19:01 OldCoder I can remove the code
19:01 Doc22 nobody knows what the
19:02 Doc22 machiens are
19:02 Doc22 machines
19:02 Doc22 to solve the problem
19:02 Doc22 make it where pistons can move blocks
19:02 Doc22 inside protectors
19:03 Doc22 anyway i am telling tanker to get rid of his and i got rid of mine
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19:03 OldCoder Doc22, If you submit a patch I will be interested
19:03 Doc22 ok ill look at the code later
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19:13 KikaRz erm
19:13 KikaRz oh f**ck
19:13 KikaRz who knows the sequence of chests in Technic?
19:14 KikaRz first, wood chest
19:14 KikaRz -> ?
19:14 NekoGloop Iron
19:14 NekoGloop Copper
19:14 NekoGloop Silver
19:14 NekoGloop Gold
19:14 NekoGloop Mithril
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19:27 Jordach finally found the song i've been hunting for
19:28 * Jordach is a googling god
19:29 OldCoder That is a nice phrase
19:31 Jordach okay, in case of finding songs, use russian sites
19:31 Jordach (they SEEM to be endless)
19:34 john_minetest russian video sites... found so many videos nowhere but there...
19:35 Jordach ah yes, a country without legal crap... :)
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19:35 thexyz http://grooveshark.com/
19:35 john_minetest Aufgrund unverhältnismäßig hoher Betriebskosten stellt
19:35 john_minetest Grooveshark den Zugriff aus Deutschland ein.
19:36 john_minetest f*** GEMA
19:38 Jordach john_minetest - use the TOR network
19:38 Jordach (just like a vpn, but OSS)
19:38 john_minetest i am using stealthy plugin for firefox. used tor for a long time but it doesn't support flash
19:39 thexyz Jordach: have you ever heard about openvpn?
19:39 PilzAdam john_minetest, for youtube vids I use youtube unblocker for FF
19:39 Jordach thexyz russia has all the pirated stuff you will ever need
19:40 thexyz unrelated, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEk9xNrH7gs
19:40 john_minetest PilzAdam, stealthy is a proxy that supports flash so you can watch all yt videos.
19:43 Jordach john_minetest - it would be funny if the german pirate party won the elections? would it not?
19:43 PilzAdam i like them
19:44 Jordach and my picture viewer is being a douche
19:44 john_minetest thexyz: cool video
19:44 john_minetest Jordach: german pirate party is in gouvernment, it has got more than 5 percent of the votes :D
19:45 PilzAdam eeeeeehm
19:45 PilzAdam it is not in the government
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19:46 PilzAdam http://www.bundestag.de/bundestag/plenum/bilder/sitzverteilung_17_gross2.jpg
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19:49 PilzAdam and in surveys the pirate party has under 5%
19:50 john_minetest but in some bundeslaendern they have got seats in the pairlament afaik
19:50 PilzAdam thats true
19:50 PilzAdam but not in the main parliament
19:52 john_minetest you're right. i thought they were but they are not in main parliament.
19:52 PilzAdam heres a english version of the image: http://www.bundestag.de/htdocs_e/bundestag/groups/distribution_gross.jpg
19:52 Jordach PilzAdam - i sometimes pirate things, but like most things, i'm willing to pay for things that are WORTH the money (think of it as taste testing)
19:53 Jordach such as BF3
19:54 PilzAdam the pirates party is a political party in germany (and other EU contries)
19:54 PilzAdam it has nothing to do with pirating thinkgs
19:55 john_minetest pirate party was founded in sweden but is international now.
20:00 PilzAdam gtg; bye
20:01 telek john_minetest: What about the Somalian Pirate Party? :D
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20:02 thexyz bf3, lol, worth the money, lol
20:04 john_minetest telek: xD
20:06 telek Out of curiousity: is it intentionally that mods can't trigger chunk loads into memory?
20:07 telek IE for npc/animal mods being able to arbitrarily load chunks to do NPC interaction would be beneficial. Maybe with error-coding if going above a certain memory threshold so the scripts could wait for memory usage to fall before continuing.
20:07 marktraceur telek: Could cause severe performance problems, but feel free to submit a patch, I'd use it
20:08 telek marktraceur: Given that npc mods in general cause severe performance problems, I wonder how big of an issue it'd really be :D
20:09 telek Additionally at the point where the performance becomes that much of an issue, a postgres, mysql, or nosql backend for data access will probably be warranted.
20:09 telek Speaking of which: the map format doesn't really benefit much from using sqlite over other DB formats, no?
20:10 marktraceur telek: There are a couple of different questions, there....the format itself doesn't require it, surely, but it's easier to set up.
20:10 telek It's 2 fields, so a nosql backend would perfectly translate to the key:value pairs that such a setup assmes.
20:11 marktraceur telek: Sounds like you'll have a busy Thanksgivinng :)
20:11 telek marktraceur: Quite, but sadly not with code.
20:12 thexyz telek: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/tree/db_backends
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20:13 telek thexyz: Awesome. Can it do sqlite to whatever translation?
20:13 thexyz yes
20:13 telek Sweet.
20:13 thexyz when whatever == leveldb
20:13 * telek nods.
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20:37 john_minetest selling minetest t-shirts and donating the money to development... hmmm...
20:39 papillon81 sorry to ask this question, but I found no answer in videos or docs: how do I make a geothermal generator work? the lava cools down here and blocks the generator...
20:39 jin_xi afaik lava cooling is from a mod
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20:42 papillon81 jin_xi: it's the first time I see it. only on the generator
20:42 telek john_minetest: I donated to minetest and all I got was this ***** t-shirt :D
20:43 * telek adds an extra * there.
20:43 * Jordach is sitting through mc's ending creds...... i need to waste some time
20:44 telek Lol.
20:45 jin_xi papillon81: sorry i dont know then
20:45 john_minetest telek: something like this dungeonmaster - take-my-fireball picture on the back of the t-shirt and on the front minetest written.
20:45 telek john_minetest: DMs: the terrorists of the minetest world :D
20:46 telek BTW, why do they fire at you THROUGH the ground?
20:46 Jordach its radius detection
20:46 telek Bleh.
20:46 Jordach similar to the ghasts in mc
20:46 john_minetest i began minetest too late so i don't know dungeon master any more.
20:46 jin_xi papillon81: seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsAJ-ux-Ryk
20:46 telek I always disabled them as a result.
20:46 Jordach (they share the same properties, bar flying)
20:46 telek They kept ruining large swaths of the world, whether players were logged in or not.
20:47 papillon81 jin_xi: yes, that's exactly my reference. it's glass that is put around the generator, right?
20:47 jin_xi yes.
20:49 papillon81 that's what I did
20:50 jin_xi well idk i dont use technic myself
20:57 Jordach anyways #minetest, im going to head off to bed now.. :)
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20:59 telek Muadtralk: KikaRz said to ask you to hop on port 30001
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21:03 telek Somebody needs to make one voxel 'bump' on the playermesh for male, and 2 bumps for female :)
21:06 john_minetest How can I put mods in the world folder on linux and how do i start them?
21:06 telek marktraceur: Oh right, and the OTHER use of that mod loadable chunking: doing 'online' 'as available' water flow simulations for sectors that nobody frequents often.
21:06 telek john_minetest: installed minetest, or 'in place' minetest?
21:07 john_minetest installed
21:07 telek installed should be .minetest/world/worldname/worldmods
21:07 telek Or ~/.minetest
21:07 telek If you're not in your home dir
21:08 telek If you're trying to 'globally' install it, it should be under either /usr/games/share/minetest or /usr/share/games/minetest
21:08 john_minetest okay, got it. is there a special command to load it or is it loaded when the world is loaded?
21:12 john_minetest okay, found it out
21:16 telek Cool :)
21:16 telek And it should be mostly just plug-in-play
21:17 john_minetest i want to make some mods but i didn't want to push around files as root all the time so this helps a lot.
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21:20 OldCoder iqualfragile, Hey
21:20 telek Indeed :)
21:20 * OldCoder back in a few minutes
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21:24 KikaRz Muadtralk
21:24 KikaRz Go to the server please
21:29 VanessaE hi all.
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21:31 marktraceur No manners in this channel.
21:31 marktraceur VanessaE: And a pleasant afternoon to you!
21:31 VanessaE oh ok, well fuck you then ;)
21:31 VanessaE good afternoon :D
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21:31 marktraceur VanessaE: I was referring to my compatriots, here
21:31 VanessaE just kidding anyway :D
21:35 VanessaE all right this stupid leaf decay bug is really getting on my nerves.
21:35 VanessaE ServerError: LuaError: [...] leafdecay.lua:50: attempt to index local 'reg' (a nil value)
21:38 KikaRz Muadtralk, go to the server
21:38 Muadtralk hmmm?
21:38 KikaRz We got a new user
21:38 KikaRz that needs privs
21:38 Muadtralk which priv?
21:38 KikaRz fly and interact_extra
21:39 Muadtralk hmmmm
21:39 KikaRz its my friend
21:39 KikaRz Telek
21:39 Muadtralk okay then
21:39 telek VanessaE: Not just leaf decay either
21:40 telek I saw similiar bug in both money mods, and possibly sporatically in animals as well.
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21:40 telek Near as I can tell it's unloading a chunk that has operations going on.
21:41 VanessaE figures.
21:43 VanessaE hell I get it on some of my old maps just by loading the map and sitting there for a few seconds.
21:43 OldCoder Back
21:43 VanessaE can someone PUHLEASE fix that?
21:44 VanessaE hey OC.
21:44 VanessaE hah, pilzadam noticed it months ago:  https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/239
21:46 VanessaE (the world in question did have some unknown nodes, from a missing vines mod)
21:46 telek Thanks Muadtralk!
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22:08 KikaRz How i make a Technic fast furnace???
22:10 telek http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/forum/viewmod.php?id=42
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22:49 VanessaE bbl
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23:04 * telek waves.
23:08 KikaRz telek, he was a stupid mother f*****
23:08 Muadtralk hahahahahaha
23:08 KikaRz sry for saying this muadtralk
23:08 Muadtralk get disconnected?
23:08 KikaRz no
23:08 KikaRz Server shut down
23:08 KikaRz well
23:08 KikaRz i must go
23:08 * telek waves!
23:08 KikaRz Muadtralk, tomorrow, NEW PARK!
23:08 KikaRz :D
23:08 KikaRz see ya tomorrow
23:09 telek Have a good day/night KikaRz.
23:09 OldCoder See you KikaRz
23:13 OldCoder I will be away for a few hours
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23:18 marktraceur OWNSyouAll: We don't support slavery in this channel, FYI :)
23:19 OWNSyouAll marktraceur: ?
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23:19 Octupus Hola
23:19 OWNSyouAll oh
23:19 OWNSyouAll i see what your saying
23:19 marktraceur OWNSyouAll: Your nick has many meanings :)
23:19 marktraceur Octupus: Oh hi!
23:19 Octupus :)
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23:53 telek Is it possible for the server to map keybindings on the client?
23:53 telek IE for adding server-specific function keys for alternate item menus and whatnot.
23:58 marktraceur telek: You'd need to add support on the client, too. But seems like it would be possible.
23:58 telek That was what I was wondering :l
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23:58 marktraceur telek: Yeah, there's no magic support for forcing keybindings. Add it! :)
23:58 Kacey hello
23:59 marktraceur Kacey: Hi!
23:59 telek I think at that point it'd be better to add server profiles.
23:59 Octupus Hi Kacey
23:59 Kacey thanksgiving is in 2 days
23:59 telek Then have keybindings generated on a server-by-server basis.

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