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00:03 Taoki joined #minetest
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00:06 Mikeonline hi+
00:07 Octupus Hi Mikeonline
00:08 Mikeonline there is a new commit for node_ownership out now
00:09 Octupus K
00:09 Mikeonline has someone tested cart mods with mesecons?
00:09 NekoGloop Mikeonline: Mememememe
00:09 Mikeonline does is work?
00:09 NekoGloop I've used a cart as a mesecon clock.
00:09 Mikeonline i just get the cart detector to work but not the brake and not the switch
00:10 NekoGloop They work; occasionally the cart will just zip past though (same as falling off the rails)
00:10 Mikeonline what do you mean?
00:11 Mikeonline the correct connection from detector to mesecon wire isnt shown so you can see light up mese on cart
00:11 Mikeonline but if i set a on wire next to the brake node it does not stop carts
00:11 NekoGloop Mikeonline: Because the wires have changed and carts was never updated.
00:12 NekoGloop It worked with the appropriate mesecons version, which was one of the ones before github :3
00:12 Mikeonline so its not working?
00:12 NekoGloop I dont know
00:12 Mikeonline so its not my fault installing it?
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00:13 Octupus â–¶chhhh I got bored of FIFA
00:13 Octupus Ehh black ops shud do
00:14 NekoGloop Octupus: Play technic.
00:14 Octupus Thats minetet
00:14 Octupus *test
00:14 NekoGloop craft*
00:14 Octupus O but I don't have *minecraft
00:16 Kacey joined #minetest
00:16 Kacey hello
00:17 Octupus Hi Kacey
00:17 Kacey deployers dont work :(
00:17 OldCoder Good
00:17 OldCoder :p
00:17 Octupus U read my mind :)
00:18 Octupus I think u are a phykic
00:18 Kacey i was trying to do something with a deployer
00:18 * Kacey kicks oldcoder
00:19 Kacey lalalalalalalalalala
00:19 Octupus Fuck the world
00:20 OldCoder Kacey, ?
00:20 Kacey what
00:20 OldCoder Yes? You kicked? What do you need?
00:20 OldCoder * Kacey kicks oldcoder
00:20 OldCoder ?
00:20 OldCoder You have my attention
00:21 * NekoGloop stabs kacey
00:21 NekoGloop lalalala
00:21 Kacey ooh octu said u were psyKICK so i kicked you
00:21 Kacey im immortal
00:21 OldCoder Uh huh
00:21 OldCoder Immoral maybe
00:23 Octupus ? What happen now
00:23 OldCoder ?
00:23 Kacey nope immortal
00:23 NekoGloop Like an Alice.
00:25 Kacey i got the deployer to work
00:25 OldCoder Uh huh
00:25 OldCoder NekoGloop, don't get started tonight; I got MySQL to code
00:25 OldCoder This is Kacey and not Kalice
00:25 NekoGloop OldCoder: Was i asking for your inout?
00:25 OldCoder I doubt it and did not indicate you were
00:26 OldCoder Are we past the mod deletion thing BTW?
00:26 OldCoder Did thexyz put those back yet? Or you?
00:26 Kacey uh oh oldcoder is mad
00:26 NekoGloop I dont know the download links anymore.
00:26 OldCoder Nah
00:26 OldCoder NekoGloop, put the posts back and we'll fix the links
00:27 OldCoder I have mirrors
00:27 NekoGloop Then just post them.
00:27 OldCoder Best to fix your threads; you get the credit and there's more information
00:27 NekoGloop I demand i dont get credit.
00:28 OldCoder NekoGloop, You wish to be anonymous?
00:28 OldCoder Fine
00:29 OldCoder Put things back and author can be changed to AnonyCat
00:29 NekoGloop I wish that you all stop bothering me.
00:29 OldCoder We need you and your contributions too
00:30 NekoGloop My contributions are not recognized.
00:31 OldCoder You just said you'd prefer anonymous
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00:31 OldCoder If you wish recognition I just offered it to you
00:31 NekoGloop I'm unneeded.
00:31 OldCoder <OldCoder> We need you and your contributions too
00:31 OldCoder Both
00:32 NekoGloop You say that because you dont want to even see the most worthless person here leave
00:32 OldCoder Hmm
00:32 * OldCoder considers
00:32 OldCoder If that is true why would you think you were he or she?
00:33 Octupus I am only needed for the server
00:33 OldCoder Hmm again
00:33 OldCoder Is this a context?
00:33 OldCoder *contest
00:33 OldCoder Hell of a Freudian Slip!
00:33 Octupus ?
00:33 OldCoder I refuse to participate in a contest of such a nature at this time
00:33 Kacey aggies will be getting on in a while
00:34 NekoGloop I am only wanted for comic relief,
00:34 telek NekoGloop: If you're unneeded, then why do you come back?
00:34 OldCoder telek, I see no connection
00:34 Mikeonline minetest.net is down
00:34 NekoGloop telek: One word: trolling with my prescence.
00:34 OldCoder Again?
00:34 Octupus K
00:34 OldCoder That is more than one word
00:34 telek NekoGloop: Ahh. Well enjoy then.
00:34 NekoGloop And we all know i'm unintelligent so?
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00:35 telek Somebody buy Neko a 24 pack of Jolt from Grocery Outlet and shove him back in his room until he produces the complete works of minetest :D
00:36 NekoGloop I'll die before i even learn C++
00:36 OldCoder NekoGloop, a lot of people feel that way
00:36 OldCoder I was there when it was born and I don't especially like it
00:37 OldCoder I like most languages
00:37 OldCoder Not that one
00:39 FreeFull NekoGloop: For C++, I don't know anyone kno knows it ALL
00:39 FreeFull It always tends to be just some subset
00:40 NekoGloop I dont even know how to make a damn program.
00:40 VanessaE_ hi
00:40 NekoGloop I just try compiling C++ i somehow fuck it up
00:40 VanessaE_ that's because you use windows :-)
00:41 FreeFull I personally prefer C and Haskell and stuff
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00:41 telek NekoGloop: Windows, OSX, Or Linux?
00:41 FreeFull Even a bit of assembly sometimes
00:41 VanessaE_ (he shoulda known I'd say it)
00:41 NekoGloop ...
00:41 VanessaE_ FreeFull, on what processor?
00:41 Mikeonline haskell :D
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00:41 FreeFull VanessaE_: x86 and ARMv7
00:42 VanessaE_ ah
00:42 Mikeonline CISC asm foo is just for reversing :P
00:42 telek NekoGloop: Because UI can make a difference in how rapidly you learn. Additionally with any language you just have to keep at it and fail until you reach 'critical mass' at which point things will start clicking together and making sense.
00:42 NekoGloop ...
00:42 VanessaE_ telek: +100000
00:43 FreeFull The question is, does NekoGloop want to write programs
00:43 NekoGloop I wanna kill something now.
00:43 VanessaE_ lol
00:43 Octupus Yay I'm goin onto pc now
00:43 FreeFull Kill me, kill me!
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00:43 aggies hello
00:43 VanessaE_ FreeFull, that would be a no :D
00:43 OldCoder Hello
00:43 Mikeonline FreeFull: sounds like the woman in DN3D when using her :D
00:44 telek NekoGloop: Go kill that 'distance chunk' bug I mentioned to celeron55 the other day :D
00:44 VanessaE_ distance chunk bug?
00:44 telek Mikeonline: Cute. I remember her :D
00:44 Mikeonline hehe
00:44 Octupus Hi
00:44 Kacey look it is aggies
00:44 aggies sup octus
00:44 * Octupus is going onto pc
00:44 VanessaE_ hm, wonder how well this old lappy will handle minetest...
00:44 * Kacey breaks aggies's cellphone with a dwarven axe
00:44 telek VanessaE_: Go wander a world, set your viewing distance down to '5' then tell me there isn't something wrong with the chunks loaded for 'viewing range' :D
00:44 aggies y
00:45 * Kacey throws a spiked club at aggies
00:45 VanessaE_ telek, oh yes, I've run into that plenty of times.  it's related to the auto-fps function in the game, which c55 has said doesn't work right.
00:45 telek Aggies: Like the UCD Aggies? :D
00:45 * Kacey slaps aggies with a book by Stephen King
00:45 telek VanessaE_: Ahh! Is there a way to disable it?
00:45 VanessaE_ no clue
00:45 aggies no texas really bro
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00:46 telek aggies: Ahh heh.
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00:46 * Octupus is on pc now :)
00:46 * Kacey chokes aggies with a smiley printed in china
00:46 telek VanessaE_: If the laptop is less than 5 years old, probably pretty well.
00:46 aggies really bro
00:46 * Kacey slaps aggies with bill gates wallet
00:46 Mikeonline making mods compatible is terrible..
00:46 Kacey that last one must hurtt
00:46 telek Even at 10fps minetest feels pretty smooth.
00:47 VanessaE_ telek, hah! this thing is about 8 years old if I remember right.
00:47 telek VanessaE_: P4 or Athlon?
00:47 telek And dedicated or shared memory?
00:47 VanessaE_ Pentium M 1.6GHz
00:47 telek With Intel onboard graphics?
00:48 VanessaE_ AMD onboard actually.
00:48 * Kacey bites aggies with a vampire
00:48 aggies * punches kacey's pink fone
00:48 telek VanessaE_: O.O You mean ATI?
00:48 Kacey wow you fail
00:48 VanessaE_ oh no, minetest.net is down again?
00:48 Kacey respond to my message
00:48 Mikeonline VanessaE: yes
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00:49 VanessaE_ telek, er yeah.. habit :-)
00:49 VanessaE_ Mikeonline, so it went up and then back down? D:
00:49 T_A_N_K I got so sick of the default placenode thing i created a lua api
00:49 Mikeonline VanessaE: down for an hour?
00:49 telek VanessaE_: Well in that case it should be plenty playable.
00:49 VanessaE_ Mikeonline, sounds about right then
00:50 NekoGloop T_A_N_K: Do you have the minecraft mod called "Swords+" for minecraft version 1.2.5?
00:50 T_A_N_K No
00:50 NekoGloop Urgh.
00:50 * Kacey has to REALLY fart
00:51 VanessaE_ so tpe outside and fart>
00:51 VanessaE_ step*
00:51 Kacey who needs
00:51 NakedFury lift you left leg and fart
00:51 Kacey yes!!!!
00:52 * Kacey farted
00:52 NakedFury or to be nasty, grab both buttocks, spread them apart and fart
00:52 Kacey lol done that before
00:53 aggies it true
00:53 VanessaE_ brb
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00:53 T_A_N_K How to play sound to player
00:53 cornernote haha
00:54 VanessaE_ mplayer filename.ogg ? :-)
00:54 VanessaE_ cornernote!
00:54 VanessaE_ oh hell
00:54 VanessaE_ kacey you shmuck :-)
00:54 Kacey lol
00:55 VanessaE_ ok..git clone [minetest repo]...
00:56 VanessaE_ cd games dir...git clone [minetest_game repo]...
00:56 aggieskiller mwahahahaha
00:56 VanessaE_ ok, let's build this fucker.
00:57 VanessaE_ G*d I'm spoiled by my PC.  this laptop feels like using my C64 by comparison :-)
00:57 Kacey i wonder...
00:57 OldCoder ?
00:57 telek VanessaE: How rude :D
00:58 Octupus I am on the server guys aggies and Kacey
00:58 Kacey i just got off
00:58 VanessaE_ what?
00:58 aggies k
00:58 Kacey bbl guys
00:58 Octupus bye
00:59 T_A_N_K This api is clean, and can be easily implimented with only adding in 14 lines of code to the default mod's init.lua
00:59 Octupus Ms Jane? call me maybe?
00:59 Octupus i see we have some new mods
00:59 Octupus time to find out what they do
01:05 telek Speaking of sound: Has anyone looked into the required work to muffle sources based on intervening blocks?
01:06 telek As it is right now even if you're inside a building or otherwise away from a mob/other player, you'll hear them as though they're right next to you when moving/growling. It kinda detracts from the ambiance.
01:06 NekoGloop What mobs?
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01:07 * VanessaE_ pokes at her compiler for signs of life.
01:07 VanessaE_ there it goes.
01:08 telek NekoGloop: Either the animals_mod or the stock mobs.
01:08 NekoGloop We should have a mod like swords+
01:08 NekoGloop telek: What stock mobs?
01:09 telek NekoGloop: The ones that used to be included prior to whenever they were removed.
01:09 telek They were still included when sound went in.
01:10 Octupus Hi babyface1031
01:10 Octupus i love the castle :D
01:11 babyface1031 HI Octupus
01:11 babyface1031 ty still not dont tho
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01:18 Mikeonline damn late - night all
01:18 * Mikeonline slaps VanessaE around a bit with a large trout
01:18 Mikeonline :P
01:19 T_A_N_K Here you go
01:19 T_A_N_K sound api http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOdZpgLb7xA&amp;feature=youtu.be
01:24 VanessaE_ ow.
01:24 * VanessaE_ falls over from Mikeonline's trout (delayed reaction)
01:25 telek T_A_N_K: Were talking about the fact that the sound API doesn't really do dampening based on intervening blocks.
01:25 T_A_N_K I have no idea what you just said
01:29 VanessaE_ he means if you put a dirt block between yourself and a sound source, the sound should be muffled somewhat.  more blocks should result in more muffled sounds.
01:30 T_A_N_K That's virtually impossible to do with this sound implimentation, just be happy i created an api to use different sounds lol.
01:31 T_A_N_K this sound implimentation = openal
01:31 VanessaE_ heh
01:32 VanessaE_ well I'm happy there's sound at all, but I wish it were easy to turn it on/off (and I don't mean by editing a config file)
01:38 telek T_A_N_K: I thought the whole point of OpenAL was to offer 3d sound effects akin to OpenGL, so shouldn't it be capable of doing muffling similiar to how OpenGL does line of sight?
01:39 T_A_N_K You're talking about features for a team of devs to work for a month heavily focusing on a game, it'd be cpu heavy, and buggy as fuck
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02:02 marktraceur Hrm, isn't ItemStack something I can use in Lua?
02:03 marktraceur Augh, never mind, bug
02:08 marktraceur OK, real question: What's the index of an inventory?
02:08 marktraceur Are they 0-indexed or 1-indexed?
02:08 VanessaE_ good question :-)
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03:52 VanessaE stupid wireless card.
03:53 * VanessaE argues with her piece of shit ath5k device
03:58 NakedFury on a laptop?
03:58 VanessaE this account is my PC (which contains the card, used as a WAP).
03:58 VanessaE_ While this account over here is currently on my laptop and has whatever it has.
04:03 NakedFury ok my desktop is plugged
04:03 NakedFury im like 1 feet from the modem
04:03 telek VanessaE: At least it's not a broadcom :D
04:04 VanessaE heh
04:05 telek Honestly though, it's the reason I prefer Realtek over all those other ones. They're generally sucky on the performance/feature side, but almost all of their hardware just works, be it windows or linux.
04:05 telek Also they're REALLY good with the legacy support.
04:07 VanessaE yup, that's been my experience as well, at least for wired/ethernet cards.
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04:37 OWNSyouAll VanessaE: i have a ath9k devices and the only way i could get it to work was install wirless-compat
04:37 OWNSyouAll installing wireless-compat*
04:39 telek OWNSyouAll: ndiswrapper based?
04:40 OWNSyouAll telek: don't know i just used networkmanager and it worked fine
04:41 * telek nods.
04:44 VanessaE OWNSyouAll: which does what exactly?  I'm not familiar with that package?
04:46 OWNSyouAll VanessaE: Compat-wireless is a package which contains the development and stable versions (pulled from the kernel's git repository) of the in-kernel wireless drivers and the mac80211 wireless stack. New packages are released pretty much every day.
04:47 VanessaE ah
04:47 VanessaE Ok, it's worth a try
04:47 VanessaE for me that appears to be linux-backports-modules-cw-3.6-generic ...
04:50 VanessaE let's see how that works..
04:55 VanessaE hm
04:59 VanessaE hm, doesn't seem to have helped any... I'm beginning to think it's a signal quality problem
05:00 VanessaE move away from the WAP (my PC) and the signal while strong suddenly stops working well beyond around 20 feet.
05:00 VanessaE I could swear wireless was supposed to be better than that./
05:02 VanessaE with the laptop sitting here (about 6 feet from the PC) it's running pretty well, about as I'd expect it to.
05:02 VanessaE (about 1.8 MB/sec copying some files across the wireless over sshfs)
05:07 VanessaE yup, that's gotta be the problem.  Not a single dropout with the laptop sitting here on my desk.
05:07 * VanessaE sighs
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05:24 * VanessaE feels utterly useless tonight.  I should have assumed the antenna was the issue.  fiddling with the position a bit increased my signal quality significantly (but not enough to get over the noise).  Need to buy an external/at-the-end-of-a-long-wire antenna.
05:27 telek Bummer Vanessa. And yeah ghz stuff tends to be finicky at 'approved' transmission power levels :D
05:27 VanessaE meh
05:27 telek 200m?
05:27 telek Yeah, maybe in a vacuum :D
05:27 VanessaE haha!
05:28 VanessaE maybe in a vacuum and with a Faraday cage around your test rig :-)
05:28 * telek is maybe 30 feet from his bathroom. Two and a half walls. No signal unless you put it outside the half wall and sort of adjust it around :)
05:29 VanessaE worse, this is 802.11g because my card is old, and upgrading to -n would be useless as my laptop is stuck with b/g.
05:29 telek VanessaE: There are both Mini-PCI and Mini-PCIe N cards available.
05:29 VanessaE true
05:30 VanessaE no matter, I just need a better antenna on the PC.
05:30 telek Actually easier with an older laptop (pre Core2) most of them don't verify the wifi card. Some of the newer laptops won't even boot if you have an unapproved wifi card in them.
05:30 telek Consider a directional :)
05:31 telek Only way I've managed to extend the range past 2 rooms. Finicky to get the angle right on though.
05:32 VanessaE this is even sadder than that, though
05:33 VanessaE I just tested it - move about 20 feet from the PC, but still *line of sight*, and the signal quality drops like a rock, because the PC has one of those pathetic little 4-or-so inch sticks-out-the-back-of-the-WiFi-card antennas.
05:36 telek I can usually get at least a room or two out of those. Must be a really shoddy antenna.
05:37 VanessaE it's the PC itself, I think it just pumps out too much noise
05:38 VanessaE simply angling the antenna away from the case by about 20 degrees gave me about a 10% boost at the laptop, fat lotta good that's gonna do in practice though
05:38 telek Ouch. Yeah computers can be really noisy.
05:39 telek I was getting whine in one of those portable FM radios a while back from having it too close to the comp (few feet away though.)
05:39 VanessaE and mine, doubly so.  both RFI and fan noise :-)
05:39 VanessaE (fucking thing sounds like a jet engine most days)
05:40 telek Indeed.
05:41 telek Plus side is they're great supplementary heating during the winter months :D
05:41 VanessaE hahaha
05:43 OldCoder gI am asleep
05:43 OldCoder *I am asleep
05:43 VanessaE no you're not :-)
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05:59 * telek waves.
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06:33 ruskie *yawn*
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09:30 Penguin morning all
09:32 Penguin Testing Nyan Mod
09:42 Penguin joined #minetest
09:43 Penguin hi
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11:23 * VanessaE sighs
11:24 VanessaE I hate computers.
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11:39 digger minetest.net is down ?
11:39 VanessaE yes
11:39 digger its been down for a while
11:39 VanessaE yeah :-/
11:39 digger ok, just thought id see if it was just me
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12:20 cornernote c55 is gone and the site is dead... did he do a cornernote?  lol
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12:33 john_minetest Hi cornernote. Yeah, minetest.net is down again :(. We can only wait...
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13:04 OldCoder Back
13:04 OldCoder <VanessaE> I hate computers.
13:04 OldCoder But they are fun
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13:14 Penguin hi all
13:14 OldCoder Penguin, hello
13:15 Penguin testing my nyan mod
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13:17 Penguin coder I will distory the machiens. when I am on it
13:19 Penguin !
13:32 * OldCoder will rest a bit more now
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13:51 Penguin hey all
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14:16 KikaRz uh...
14:16 KikaRz [14:15] -NickServ- KikaRz is not a registered nickname.
14:16 KikaRz dafuq?
14:16 KikaRz oh, i know why.
14:16 KikaRz i didnt activated the account
14:16 KikaRz VanessaE, hi :)
14:17 KikaRz Hi RealBadAngel
14:18 KikaRz faaaaail
14:18 KikaRz my hamachi IP changed.
14:22 KikaRz /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER KikaRz ivxmgtnwwoxd
14:22 KikaRz FAIl
14:22 KikaRz /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER KikaRz ivxmgtnwwoxd
14:22 KikaRz GRRR
14:22 Lumpio- ¬u¬
14:22 Lumpio- Why would you try to register again with a password you already leaked
14:23 KikaRz not to register
14:23 KikaRz thats not my passwor
14:23 KikaRz -.-
14:23 KikaRz thats the verification code
14:23 KikaRz -.-
14:23 KikaRz [14:21] -NickServ- KikaRz has now been verified.
14:23 KikaRz but no problem
14:24 KikaRz well, how are you Lumpio- ?
14:24 Lumpio- o
14:24 Lumpio- It was VERIFY
14:24 Lumpio- ┐( ̄ー ̄)┌
14:24 KikaRz lol
14:24 Lumpio- I'm quite fine
14:26 RealBadAngel hi all
14:26 RealBadAngel minetest still down?
14:32 KikaRz Yes
14:32 KikaRz and for Hamachi people
14:32 KikaRz its offline
14:32 KikaRz I know why is offline
14:32 KikaRz hamachi got ips changed
14:32 KikaRz like: my ip was: 5.231.246.12
14:32 KikaRz now its
14:32 KikaRz 25.96.122.243
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14:36 iqualfragile that might be because the ip-adresses are exhausted
14:37 iqualfragile so the 5.0.0.0 subnet is used now
14:38 iqualfragile besides: just set up your/your routers firewall and you wont need hamachi
14:38 iqualfragile that would allso be a lot faster
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15:02 Penguin hi
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15:19 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
15:19 KikaRz stop using that phrase.
15:19 KikaRz '-'
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15:25 celeron55 re: minetest.net
15:25 celeron55 i have no idea what the problem is now
15:25 KikaRz Online?
15:26 KikaRz celeron
15:26 KikaRz the hamachi changed their ips
15:26 celeron55 i can't access the server in any way whatsoever
15:26 KikaRz 25.2.177.158 (my old was 5.231.246.12
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15:28 KikaRz celeron, see what is your ip now
15:33 RealBadAngel celeron55, what bout my patch? Taoki is waiting for it...
15:35 PilzAdam celeron55, sometimes my HTTP request at minetest.net/forums doesnt ping out and i get the text of the website without background etc.
15:35 KikaRz That's the Cache
15:36 PilzAdam no, its not
15:36 KikaRz yes it could be
15:37 PilzAdam the style sheets and images would be stored in cache
15:37 KikaRz or not.
15:37 PilzAdam but i get only plain text
15:37 PilzAdam and before and after that the server pings out
15:41 KikaRz going to lunch
15:41 KikaRz then going to paint
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15:57 PilzAdam This is interesting for all TP makers: https://github.com/kahrl/irrtum
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15:59 Jordach_ okay, thats a odd reboot for no reason
16:00 PilzAdam Jordach_, https://github.com/kahrl/irrtum
16:00 Jordach_ my log had that
16:00 Jordach_ looks good
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16:01 Jordach_ OH NOES CORNERNOTE PLAYS WOW https://github.com/cornernote/wow-3.3.5-addons
16:02 john_minetest So shocked that he timed out xD
16:03 jordach there
16:04 PilzAdam no capital "J"?
16:04 RealBadAngel he said so
16:05 PilzAdam hi RealBadAngel
16:05 RealBadAngel that he likes WOW
16:05 Jordach there PilzAdam
16:05 RealBadAngel and propably he will go there
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16:05 Jordach and troll some more
16:05 Jordach ;)
16:05 Penguin hi
16:06 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, havent made it yesterday, im sorry
16:06 PilzAdam its ok
16:06 RealBadAngel i made and tried to push commit for Taoki
16:06 Jordach RealBadAngel - commits don't sync themselves you know
16:06 jin_xi hi guis
16:06 Jordach guis?
16:06 jin_xi e
16:06 Jordach what are we? WINDOWS?
16:07 jin_xi GUI is an acronym, windows is not
16:07 RealBadAngel i made controls stuff for 3d players
16:07 jin_xi fail pedant
16:08 RealBadAngel Taoki is waitin for it to be merged to finish her work
16:08 PilzAdam why cant she just pull it to her repo?
16:10 RealBadAngel why the hell important changes have to wait
16:10 RealBadAngel thats the question
16:10 RealBadAngel im coding 12+6 hours in line
16:10 RealBadAngel and did it
16:10 RealBadAngel then just ..........
16:11 PilzAdam as you know the problem is that I dont have the knowledge to merge such things
16:11 RealBadAngel it starts to piss me off
16:11 PilzAdam ask darkrose or thexyz
16:11 celeron55 PilzAdam: ...you do get a response?
16:11 celeron55 hmm
16:12 Jordach PilzAdam testing. i might ask you to sign up to c++ testing provided by Aperture Science
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16:12 celeron55 omg it's up now
16:13 PilzAdam yay!
16:13 Jordach ITS ALIVE
16:13 Jordach MINETEST.NET WORKS, o hai Calinou
16:14 john_minetest yeah!
16:14 * Jordach just updated planet minecrafts avatar
16:14 Jordach (for himself)
16:16 Calinou hi
16:17 * Jordach should really fix the borked anvil texture
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16:18 PilzAdam c55.me is still down
16:18 ShadowNinja joined #minetest
16:23 * Jordach hears GPU squeaking
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16:28 Jordach huh
16:28 Jordach thats lolfull
16:28 Jordach (or full of lol)
16:29 Jordach windows xp had a app market before apple
16:29 Jordach Windows Marketplace
16:29 FreeFull Did anybody use it
16:29 Calinou_ no1cares
16:29 Jordach no, because the internet was expensive around 2001
16:29 Calinou_ not in france(R°
16:30 Calinou_ shit speeds, unlimited bandwidth.
16:30 Calinou_ since like 15 years ago
16:30 Jordach Calinou_ - /nick Calinou
16:30 Calinou_ going to reboot soon to use nvidia-current-updates, so no
16:31 Jordach also, i'd like to point out the fact that im getting free fibre in six months time
16:31 Jordach (yes, 20mb fibre)
16:31 Jordach mhm - sounds like a plan
16:32 Calinou_ nice UK you have there... "fibre" :P
16:32 * Jordach is working on minetest servering for dummies
16:32 Jordach s/servering/server op
16:32 Jordach btw, windows xp and above only
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16:34 * Calinou now has driver 304.51
16:34 Calinou YEY
16:38 Calinou nvidia, y u no provide framebuffer for xorg 1.3.
16:38 Calinou 1.13*
16:38 Calinou text mode bootscreen == ugly
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16:50 Jordach lol shitty open source
16:51 OldCoder ?
16:52 KikaRz PROBLEMS WITH HAMACHI ARE GONE :D
16:52 KikaRz OldCoder, change the topic of IRC Channel-
16:52 OldCoder k
16:52 Topic for #minetest is now Please be patient with questions; people may not be around | Main site: http://minetest.net | Development channel: #minetest-delta
16:52 KikaRz :)
16:52 RealBadAngel #dev
16:53 Topic for #minetest is now Please be patient with questions; people may not be around | Main site: http://minetest.net | Development channel: #minetest-dev
16:53 RealBadAngel way better :)
16:53 Jordach hello OldCoder
16:53 OldCoder Hi
16:53 Jordach im working on server op for dummies
16:53 OldCoder Oh?
16:55 celeron55 minetest.net update from host: the server went completely unresponsive for no apparent reason; the next occurrence will be diagnosed better
16:55 PilzAdam what do you guys think about this way of adding junglegrass? https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/e6c0b195664ca6cfe3ee346723bcc8dd0a5ee2a6
16:55 OldCoder PilzAdam, is there in fact a player textures mod by you?
16:56 PilzAdam OldCoder, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3587
16:56 OldCoder R
16:56 OldCoder PilzAdam, I assume that is case sensitive. What if a nick has spaces in it or are they not allowed?
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16:57 PilzAdam OldCoder, if your OS can handle this there is no problem
16:57 PilzAdam but untested yet
16:57 OldCoder PilzAdam, it is used by Zeg
16:57 OldCoder PilzAdam, are you aware of any collection of player textures?
16:58 OldCoder I will add them shortly
16:59 OldCoder http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/characters/gallery.php?type=2d
16:59 OldCoder I see these. Are there others anywhere else?
17:00 PilzAdam I dont know
17:00 OldCoder All right
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17:02 john_minetest What does that "Add to public gallery"-checkbox do?
17:02 OldCoder Good question
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17:03 Jordach well, rubenwardy is here, so ask him!
17:03 OldCoder john_minetest, does your own world have a public collection of these things?
17:03 OldCoder rubenwardy, Hi
17:03 rubenwardy huh?
17:03 OldCoder rubenwardy, 2D characters
17:03 rubenwardy yes?
17:03 Jordach OldCoder is asking about the .png repo
17:03 Jordach (player skins)
17:03 OldCoder I wish to activate them on my worlds. john_minetest is curious about the checkbox
17:03 OldCoder add to public gallery
17:03 OldCoder What does that do?
17:04 rubenwardy That is if you would like to add it to the gallery. If you do, other players can use it
17:04 OldCoder Ah
17:04 rubenwardy if not, only you can use it.
17:04 john_minetest okay.
17:04 OldCoder rubenwardy, there is a thread or two with this type of image. Know of anybody who has posted individual images but not in your collection or the main threads?
17:05 OldCoder I will gather and use these
17:05 Calinou celeron55: you should link to this topic about OS X downloads: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3793
17:05 Calinou (also, mac os x is now called OS X as of 10.8, so you should rename it)
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17:08 OldCoder Zeg9, hi
17:09 OldCoder Zeg9, we can discuss your world this week
17:11 Zeg9 OldCoder, hello
17:11 OldCoder Zeg9, if you wish, prepare a ZIP file with your folders
17:11 OldCoder I'll review and comment
17:11 Zeg9 Should I give you the list of mods ?
17:12 OldCoder Zeg9, no; your actual folders if possible
17:12 OldCoder Mods tend to vary. I need to match your releases exactly.
17:12 Zeg9 Okay, then I send you the "game" folder.
17:12 OldCoder So I'll start with your copies and replace them one by one with my versions.
17:12 OldCoder If possible make a ZIP file that contains:
17:12 Zeg9 In my version I changed some mods too.
17:12 OldCoder (a) the complete world folder, (b) the game folder, (c) the minetest.conf file, and (d) anything else relevant
17:12 OldCoder Yes
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17:13 OldCoder Zeg9, see above. ZIP file with everything. Then I can match exactly with luck.
17:13 OldCoder Zeg9, you can post to http://sendspace.com/ temporarily if necessary.
17:13 OldCoder Remember to save the "delete" link they provide so that you can delete.
17:15 KikaRz celeron55, can you give me the full listing of the problem?
17:18 Zeg9 OldCoder, can you receive files from IRC or your prefer a hosting site ? It's around 8 MB
17:18 OldCoder That is not too large. You can email it.
17:18 OldCoder Email a ZIP file to oldcoder@yahoo.com
17:18 Zeg9 Okay
17:18 Calinou yahoo lol
17:18 * OldCoder shrugs
17:18 Calinou OldCoder: why zip when you can use .tar.xz :p
17:19 OldCoder Calinou, do you prefer Google?
17:19 OldCoder Calinou, because most people know ZIP and not XZ
17:19 Calinou google makes working things, yahoo doesn't
17:19 Calinou OldCoder: zeg is on linux :P
17:19 OldCoder Calinou, Google shuts down accounts and demands cellphones
17:19 OldCoder F*ck them
17:19 Zeg9 I know, I already had problems with google, but others aren't really better...
17:19 OldCoder Yep
17:19 Zeg9 So I'm still on gmail x)
17:19 Calinou OldCoder: google never asked for cellphone, for me
17:20 OldCoder Calinou, BTW fix the trampoline or we need to move spawn
17:20 OldCoder Calinou, all right
17:20 Calinou you can ignore that cellphone thingie :P
17:20 Calinou OldCoder: will do then :p
17:20 OldCoder Calinou, ty
17:20 KikaRz Calinou
17:20 OldCoder Calinou, ask KikaRz about that
17:20 KikaRz i've been stucked below the trampoline
17:20 Zeg9 No, they just shutdown my previous account ... I don't remember why though.
17:20 Calinou google can feel free to shut down my account like any other service, if they do i'll move
17:20 KikaRz or you can make that thing all with cobble (below the trampoline)
17:20 Zeg9 They didn't even leave me my contacts list
17:20 Zeg9 But I still use it... lol
17:20 OldCoder Zeg9, Calinou: Not debating Google. Perhaps I spoke too strongly. But Google is annoying and Yahoo breaks all the time.
17:21 OldCoder How about a startup for email that just works?
17:21 OldCoder $$$
17:21 * Calinou uses thunderbird
17:21 Calinou no ads :p
17:22 ruskie or run own mail server works fine
17:22 Calinou ruskie: that's not free
17:22 Calinou you need to rent a server
17:22 ruskie Calinou, mine runs just fine on my home connection
17:22 OldCoder Calinou, What is the future of Thunderbird? Didn't Mozilla deprecate it?
17:22 Calinou real servers (that you can control with SSH) start at 13€month with taxes...
17:22 OldCoder ruskie, Aren't you in the DNSBL?
17:22 ruskie nope
17:22 Calinou OldCoder: it still receives some updates (security ones mostly)
17:22 OldCoder Calinou, I have a VPS. But woud my VPS IP be in the DNSBL?
17:22 Zeg9 o_O it is 70 MB actually, I had forgotten the world size -.-
17:22 OldCoder *would
17:22 Calinou ruskie: not everyone likes to 1) have their bw eaten, 2) run a computer 24/7
17:23 OldCoder Zeg9, use http://sendspace.com/
17:23 ruskie Calinou, no bw issue here
17:23 Calinou sendspace is meh, use ompldr.org
17:23 Calinou :p
17:23 ruskie Calinou, and I run 2 computers 24/7
17:23 Calinou ruskie: my bw is 3.6/0.3mbit
17:23 ruskie actually 3
17:23 OldCoder Zeg9, save the "delete" link they provide so that you can delete the upload
17:23 Calinou 0.3mbit in upload... facepalm
17:23 ruskie Calinou, 28/2.5Mbit no download/upload limits
17:23 OldCoder Zeg9, 70MB beforee ZIP or after?
17:23 OldCoder *before
17:23 Calinou unlimited bandwidth here too :p there's no limited bw in france anyway
17:23 Zeg9 After... I'll tar.bz2
17:23 Calinou (at least for "high speed")
17:23 ruskie hehe
17:23 Calinou Zeg9: tar.bz2 is african word for "Everyone has an i7"
17:24 Zeg9 ... I have an i3
17:24 Zeg9 tar.gz ?
17:24 OldCoder It doesn't mean peace or community like Ubuntu?
17:24 OldCoder Zeg9, ZIP is fine
17:24 Zeg9 Okay, then zip.
17:24 Zeg9 I personnally prefer ompldr.org, do you mind ?
17:24 Zeg9 or justbeamit.com
17:24 Zeg9 Or I can sendspace too x)
17:24 KikaRz i loved megaupload
17:25 PilzAdam Calinou, every person in the room i am has a i7 ;-)
17:25 OldCoder That is fine
17:25 KikaRz but is deleted.
17:25 OldCoder Zeg9, no site that needs Flash please
17:25 ruskie Calinou, also no need for a full computer... a raspberry pi would work just fine as an email server
17:25 OldCoder Zeg9, sendspace is best. And remember to save the delete link.
17:25 OldCoder Zeg9, PM me when ready
17:25 KikaRz i got a i7 computer too
17:25 KikaRz -.-
17:25 Zeg9 Okay, then sendspace :p
17:26 Calinou <KikaRz> i loved megaupload < rofl
17:26 Zeg9 Isn't it sendspace that has a download link to a .exe file ? >.<
17:27 OldCoder Zeg9, yes
17:27 OldCoder Zeg9, they trick people into clicking it
17:27 OldCoder Zeg9, but I just ignore that link
17:27 Calinou OldCoder: trampoline works for me at spawn
17:27 OldCoder Calinou, ask KikaRz and others
17:27 KikaRz ... Calinou
17:27 Calinou Zeg9: linux doesn't run .exe, better :D
17:27 KikaRz I've got stucked below the trampoline
17:27 Zeg9 Yeah
17:27 OldCoder Calinou, not demanding but it is annoying to need to teleport people out of there
17:28 Zeg9 Clinou: I know, but most people I send files too, are running windows -_-
17:28 Zeg9 Calinou* ..
17:28 KikaRz just fill that below trampoline with cobble
17:28 Calinou should be fixed now, put clip below the trampoline
17:28 KikaRz ill try
17:28 OldCoder Will see later, thank you
17:28 Calinou i don't get stuck under trampoline though... how did you do that?
17:28 KikaRz port?
17:28 KikaRz 30003 ?
17:28 OldCoder Yes
17:28 OldCoder Calinou World is present 30003
17:28 OldCoder *presently
17:28 OldCoder IIRC
17:29 Calinou i know
17:29 OldCoder Calinou, was answering KikaRz
17:29 Zeg9 Calinou, OldCoder: I can't connect to minetest.org:30003 :'(
17:29 OldCoder The world is named
17:29 OldCoder "Calinou World"
17:29 Calinou calin.sytes.net port 30003
17:29 Zeg9 Oh it's fine now, forget what I just said
17:29 OldCoder Zeg9, oh?
17:29 Calinou (it's a domain that points to OldCoder's servers)
17:29 Zeg9 It was stuck on item definitions ...
17:32 john_minetest back
17:32 OldCoder john_minetest, wb
17:33 Zeg9 john_minetest, Hello !
17:33 Calinou hi
17:34 john_minetest Zeg9, hi
17:34 john_minetest Zeg9, is the server up?
17:35 rubenwardy my server is not happy today
17:35 OldCoder ?
17:35 rubenwardy ftp problems
17:35 KikaRz He's trying to find a h25.2.177.158oster
17:35 KikaRz ups
17:36 Zeg9 john_minetest, not now; I'm sending the map to OldCoder, so if I open it, the changes will be lost (it is like 70 MB, and I don't feel like to upload it again)
17:36 Calinou nice ip you have there
17:37 Zeg9 It's in the UK
17:37 Calinou rubenwardy and Zeg9 both use pidgin for irc... heh
17:37 Zeg9 :D
17:37 OldCoder Zeg9, you shut it down first; correct?
17:37 Zeg9 OldCoder, yeah, I did
17:37 OldCoder All right
17:37 OldCoder Zeg9, PM when ready
17:37 Zeg9 It's 54% of upload
17:38 OldCoder No rush
17:38 OldCoder I am here
17:39 Zeg9 Wait, how do you know that I use pidgin ? I removed purple from the real name, is there something else ? x)
17:40 Calinou /version (alias for /ctcp version in xchat)
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17:40 Calinou sfan5: the non-half-assed IRC client(R) :)
17:41 sfan5 Calinou: yeah :D
17:42 sfan5 Zeg9: try /ctcp sfan5 TIME
17:42 Penguin On A Server What Item To People Tend To Ask For Or Want ?
17:42 Zeg9 lol
17:43 john_minetest lol
17:44 Penguin Buy A Watch :D Hehe
17:44 Penguin On A Server What Item To People Tend To Ask For Or Want ? Need To Know Please
17:45 Zeg9 MESE?
17:45 Calinou Penguin: air blocks
17:45 Calinou /giveme air
17:46 OldCoder Zeg9, Calinou Heh. I have not seen a pattern. What is this for?
17:46 ruskie the stuff they currently most need when building whatever
17:46 john_minetest Air, you cheater, you!
17:46 Penguin Yes Ruskie
17:47 KikaRz LOL
17:47 KikaRz but if i do that, it says that im a cheater
17:47 KikaRz :c
17:47 Zeg9 No, you *hacker* you (or has it changed ?)
17:49 Penguin Air You Hacker it says
17:49 john_minetest stupid microsoft windows 8 ads before every video on youtube :(
17:49 Zeg9 XD
17:49 Zeg9 AOL kids only
17:49 ruskie john_minetest, youtube-dl works well ;)
17:49 Zeg9 I always unplug videos from youtube, their flash player is cr*ppy...
17:50 ruskie I don't have or use flash at all
17:50 Zeg9 I prefer not to use it, but sometimes some sites need it
17:50 Zeg9 I don't like it though
17:50 john_minetest i used gnash quite a lot but now i use flashplugin because i want to play all flash.
17:50 Jordach <john_minetest> stupid microsoft windows 8 ads before every video on youtube :( - Google Chrome + AdBlock
17:50 Calinou <john_minetest> stupid microsoft windows 8 ads before every video on youtube :(
17:51 Calinou on the tv 4 days ago, there was a 5 second windows 8 ad before EVERY SINGLE ad for 5 minutes
17:51 Calinou the "this is teh futurez" song could drive people mad
17:51 john_minetest Google makes ads xD
17:51 Zeg9 I used gnash, but it used to crash my browser -.6
17:51 Calinou there was a google chrome ad a while ago, and IE ad too
17:51 Zeg9 -.-*
17:51 Calinou both of these make money from ads... facepalm
17:51 Calinou chromium ftw
17:51 ruskie people still watch TV?
17:51 Calinou gnash... lol
17:51 john_minetest What is a TV?
17:51 Calinou ruskie: yeah :) and TV using TNT, not internet
17:51 john_minetest xD
17:51 Calinou internet TV fucks your connection
17:52 Zeg9 Calinou: same here
17:52 Calinou why do so many people use it...
17:52 Calinou (TNT: french acronym, not an explosive :D)
17:53 ruskie I think I'll head to bed extra early... tired...
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17:54 john_minetest 4th video i watch on yt with un-skippable win8 ad
17:54 Zeg9 ...
17:55 Zeg9 Microsoft seriously think they need to make ads? There is already enough people using their cr*p os no ?
17:56 Jordach Zeg9 - the world has changed, Web 2.0 + social OS
17:56 john_minetest The most social OS is an OSS OS.
17:57 john_minetest Because lots of people work SOCIALly on it.
17:57 Jordach john_minetest - id say you're incorrect, many people here in the UK (mainly teens) use blackberries
17:57 Jordach so BBM, facebook and twitter are used by them
17:58 john_minetest Facebook and lots of other social networks run on linux servers, lol.
17:58 Jordach consider that, but what is the operating system the accesses it
17:58 Calinou <john_minetest> 4th video i watch on yt with un-skippable win8 ad
17:58 Zeg9 Every. Facebook is a website ...
17:58 Calinou then don't watch yt :D
17:58 * Calinou never does
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17:59 Jordach Calinou once said he watches yt with sound of
17:59 Jordach +f
17:59 Calinou Zeg9: 85% of servers are on linux iirc, that isn't 100%
17:59 Calinou Jordach: /me almost never does then
17:59 Calinou only when /me is trying out flash
17:59 Calinou and /me thinks flash sucks
17:59 Jordach Calinou - they have a html5 player
17:59 Calinou not for all vids
17:59 Zeg9 No, some videos are "copy righted" the html5 player could make them lose money
18:00 john_minetest Youtube is a strange thing. They say they just make a platform to upload data so they don't have to pay to music makers BUT they earn millions of dollars with ads of these uploaded videos.
18:01 Calinou "copyrighted" is not a word that defines a license
18:01 Calinou public license == no copyright
18:01 Calinou licenses such as WTFPL == creator has copyright
18:01 Calinou licenses such as GPL == creator has copyright
18:01 Calinou non-free license/"all rights reserved" == copyright again
18:02 Calinou oops, I mean public domain not public license
18:02 celeron55 at least in finland the creator always has copyright, no matter what
18:03 celeron55 you can just give (permanent) right to use it for whoever you want
18:03 Zeg9 I have a weird bug; the firefox start page's search button is inactive (return doesn't work too)
18:03 Calinou until your creation  falls in public domain, no?
18:03 celeron55 and, well, you can trade some exclusive (selling stuff) rights for money
18:03 Calinou something's funnier: selling GPL software
18:04 Calinou xchat is awesome at it
18:04 celeron55 Calinou: in finland there is no "public domain", it's just "there is no copyright"
18:04 Calinou want windows binaries? pay us, but don't forget you can google for free and legal and better alternatives!
18:04 celeron55 such a work is similar to a rock you may find in the woods
18:04 celeron55 and yes, that happens after death, in some way
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18:05 celeron55 (haven't really read up on that)
18:05 celeron55 (it's not that relevant generally :P)
18:07 rubenwardy interesting: http://tinyurl.com/bw8mja7
18:07 Calinou nope
18:08 rubenwardy damn, does not work
18:08 KikaRz Calinou
18:08 KikaRz Xchat in Windows doesnt work for free
18:08 KikaRz but for linux
18:09 rubenwardy where is the page with the new design for minetest?
18:09 rubenwardy as in website
18:09 rubenwardy any one got a link?
18:09 john_minetest it is minetest.net?
18:09 KikaRz yep
18:10 rubenwardy Jordach?
18:10 Jordach mm?
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18:10 thexyz microsoft definetly has some problems with win8 (as they even drew 2 animu girls just to advertise it http://news.mydrivers.com/img/20121106/f961b99ef7074b3dab2055480579bfdb.jpg)
18:10 KikaRz celeron, why didnt minetest 0.4.3 at some weeks ago, worked with direct3D?
18:11 KikaRz celeron55, will minetest be for OpenGL and Direct3D (and software) forever?
18:11 KikaRz :)
18:11 rubenwardy a while ago someone redesigned the Minetest home page, and showed every one on the forum. It was very green and "professional"
18:11 rubenwardy Do you have a link?
18:11 Jordach no
18:12 thexyz rubenwardy: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3075
18:13 Zeg9 I'm off, bye.
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18:14 john_minetest the website is very green.
18:14 telek thexyz: Funny I've heard the opposite about win8. Mind you *I* have no plans to use it. Which is basically going to kill my gaming habit in another generation or so.
18:14 OldCoder Calinou, PM please
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18:16 rubenwardy (6:12:12 PM) thexyz: rubenwardy: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3075
18:16 rubenwardy Oh, thank yo
18:17 OldCoder I am working on something new and may release in the next hour
18:17 thexyz any details?
18:17 KikaRz celeron55, will the minetest be for Direct3D and OpenGL forever? :)
18:17 OldCoder thexyz, I will host Zegworld now
18:17 OldCoder thexyz, Suggestions for names?
18:17 OldCoder Zegworld is O.K. but he is in France
18:17 OldCoder Perhaps a France name of some type for fun
18:17 celeron55 KikaRz: that is because of irrlicht; so as long as minetest uses irrlicht and irrlicht supports both, it will
18:18 KikaRz yay :D
18:18 celeron55 KikaRz: which is probably forever
18:18 KikaRz Thank you!
18:18 KikaRz :D
18:18 KikaRz :D
18:18 * OldCoder assumes KikaRz is happy
18:18 KikaRz What i Can say about minetest... IT REALIZED MY DREAMS *_*
18:18 * OldCoder notes this is subtle and hard to see :p
18:18 OldCoder Who would like to suggest a name for Zegworld?
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18:19 OldCoder As a separate note would anybody like to share photos of pets or artwork in general for my blog or site?
18:19 thexyz VanessaE: you shouldn't leave redirect topics when moving stuff from modding general to releases
18:20 john_minetest Zeg9's server?
18:21 OldCoder john_minetest, yes
18:21 OldCoder Zegaton
18:21 OldCoder Zegapolis
18:21 OldCoder Hmm
18:21 OldCoder Zegatown ?
18:21 Calinou <KikaRz> Calinou
18:21 Calinou <KikaRz> Xchat in Windows doesnt work for free
18:21 john_minetest We always just called it "Zeg's server" or Zeg9's server...
18:21 Calinou you can compile it yourself
18:21 Calinou or use hexchat
18:21 Calinou :p
18:21 OldCoder john_minetest, I know. Looking for a snappier name.
18:21 thexyz oh, btw, celeron55, darkrose said domain will be prolongated automatically at the last day before expiration
18:22 * OldCoder requests pet photos as a separate matter
18:22 thexyz oops
18:22 thexyz bookwar, not darkrose
18:22 OldCoder VanessaE, may I have a photo of your cat perhaps sometime?
18:22 thexyz need to get some sleep
18:22 OldCoder thexyz, sleep deep need to reap
18:23 rubenwardy (6:22:22 PM) OldCoder: VanessaE, may I have a photo of your cat perhaps sometime?
18:23 rubenwardy Never thought I would read that in this chat room... O_o#
18:23 OldCoder ?
18:23 OldCoder What is odd about a cat?
18:23 rubenwardy It is an odd thing to say
18:23 OldCoder Not really in context
18:23 OldCoder Context is king
18:23 OldCoder Cats don't sing
18:23 rubenwardy yeah
18:23 OldCoder But they are amusing
18:24 rubenwardy i hate it when my server is down
18:24 OldCoder Server is down
18:25 OldCoder So you have a frown
18:25 rubenwardy for normal people it is their phones,
18:25 rubenwardy for us it is our servers
18:25 OldCoder For servers you feel fervors
18:25 OldCoder With phones I'll pick no bones
18:25 OldCoder But servers are needed
18:25 OldCoder This should be heeded
18:26 OldCoder Servers are crucial
18:26 OldCoder To our lives
18:26 john_minetest Servers are the lifes best pleasures.
18:26 OldCoder Mail and websites and games
18:26 OldCoder When down servers take the blames
18:26 john_minetest Mine was no good rhyme.
18:26 OldCoder Without these things
18:26 OldCoder How can we sings?
18:26 OldCoder No rhyme this time?
18:28 john_minetest We talk about servers and telephone, so what's bout the servername "Zeggletown"?
18:28 OldCoder Not bad!
18:28 OldCoder Either Zegaton or Zeggletown
18:28 OldCoder We'll see the reactions
18:28 OldCoder If there are satisfactions
18:28 OldCoder To these options
18:28 OldCoder
18:28 KikaRz LOL
18:29 john_minetest We should make a book with rhymes, with it we can earn lots of Dimes.
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18:29 OldCoder Don't laugh; I've got a friend with a unfinished book. Linked it on my blog.
18:29 OldCoder $666 in sales
18:29 OldCoder and only a few chapters are written
18:29 OldCoder O_o
18:30 OldCoder <--- Needs to post his book too
18:30 OldCoder
18:30 KikaRz when im older
18:30 KikaRz ill write books
18:30 OldCoder KikaRz, why wait?
18:30 OldCoder Perhaps it's your fate
18:30 KikaRz '-'
18:30 OldCoder To write right now
18:30 KikaRz ill try to make a book reader
18:30 KikaRz and using book as writtable
18:31 KikaRz etc
18:31 KikaRz xd
18:32 john_minetest I should print out minetest source and learn it by hearth.
18:32 OldCoder Hearth is fire
18:32 OldCoder This you should inspire
18:32 OldCoder Burn a trail true
18:33 john_minetest On Zeg's server fire is enabled. So it can not burn, that's what is labeled.
18:33 KikaRz OldCoder, can you go PM for a bit?
18:33 OldCoder KikaRz, sure
18:34 OldCoder john_minetest, I tend to disable fire
18:34 OldCoder Is it crucial in this case?
18:35 john_minetest OldCoder, i meant disabeled. but i concentrated on the rhyme so i didn't see it
18:37 john_minetest Need to find a snappy name for Zeg's server... MINEral... Minebuild ... Supermine ...
18:38 KikaRz nope
18:38 KikaRz ZegMinrail.
18:38 KikaRz '-'
18:38 KikaRz fail
18:38 KikaRz thats a bit... mixing... mine... rail... carts...
18:41 john_minetest random word generators are my favourite toys... let's see...
18:41 john_minetest Zegian Server
18:41 john_minetest Zegypton Server... well, we have got a pyramid.
18:44 john_minetest OldCoder, can the server be renamed later?
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18:45 KikaRz Who here knows the base of the modding?
18:45 KikaRz (not from the difficult modding, but yes, the basic.
18:46 marktraceur KikaRz: Most people, what's your question?
18:46 KikaRz How i start making a mod... how i need to base in?
18:46 marktraceur KikaRz: The basic files you need are depends.txt and init.lua.
18:47 KikaRz not that
18:47 KikaRz but yes the codes.
18:47 KikaRz minetest.register_craft({ is one
18:47 KikaRz minetest.register_node is another
18:47 OldCoder john_minetest, answered in PM
18:47 OldCoder NakedFury, hi
18:47 marktraceur KikaRz: The methods and so on are documented at http://api.minetest.net/
18:48 KikaRz ok...
18:48 KikaRz thank you
18:49 KikaRz AWAY: LEARNING MODDING X_X'
18:49 KikaRz Something, just call me in steam (kikarz1), skype (of my brother: dracoptjr).
18:49 KikaRz or IRC
18:51 * KikaRz - KikooBOT - IRC: KikaRz(USER1:ADMMOVI) is now away: Learning to get modding.
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18:51 Calinou skype sucks
18:52 Calinou steam sucks
18:52 Jordach Mumble ftw
18:52 Calinou KikaRz: please no away messages
18:52 KikaRz not me
18:52 KikaRz my bot
18:52 telek Speaking of.
18:52 Jordach use /nick KikaRz-Away
18:52 telek Did mumble support every get added to minetest?
18:52 KikaRz can't
18:52 KikaRz well, there is not problem.
18:52 KikaRz nobody "read.
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18:57 Calinou positional support for minetest would be cool
18:57 Calinou code it :p
18:59 KikaRz calinou
18:59 * Jordach considers reactivating facebook
18:59 KikaRz tell me: "you're dieing"
18:59 Calinou nopez
18:59 Jordach s/dieing/dying#
18:59 Calinou Jordach: lol...
18:59 KikaRz tell me!
18:59 * Calinou dyes KikaRz
18:59 KikaRz ...
18:59 Jordach BLUE
18:59 KikaRz TELL ME!!!!!!!!!!!!
18:59 Calinou you're now a smurf :D
18:59 KikaRz ...
19:00 KikaRz Tell me that i'm dying.
19:00 Calinou no u
19:00 KikaRz ...
19:00 KikaRz Tell me or ill do this the badly form
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19:02 Jordach no one trolls Calinou
19:03 KikaRz I'm not trolling
19:03 KikaRz i'm telling serious
19:03 KikaRz tell me that i'm Dying :@
19:03 KikaRz *talking
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19:11 * Calinou added a network monitor to his desktop
19:11 Calinou i now have 5 bars at top left of my screen: cpu, mem, swap, net-down, net-up :D
19:11 Calinou gtg
19:11 OldCoder cu
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19:16 Jordach OldCoder - i had of thought of something rude again
19:16 Jordach (/me has that habit of making rude jokes....)
19:16 OldCoder Hi
19:17 OldCoder Status update: Zegaton is being converted to LevelDB format right now
19:17 john_minetest Wow. that was fast.
19:17 OldCoder Hmm?
19:17 OldCoder Not done yet
19:17 OldCoder 26,87%
19:17 OldCoder 26.87% *
19:18 Jordach OldCoder - in mb, whats the original map sizwe
19:18 Jordach sizwe
19:18 Jordach size
19:18 OldCoder Heh
19:18 OldCoder Checking
19:18 OldCoder Jordach, ask again in 10 minutes
19:18 Jordach sweet
19:18 OldCoder I only have one ssh open ATM and it is busy
19:19 * Jordach is busy with a skin for Taoki's client upgrades
19:20 OldCoder I need more images. Repeating a request just once for now: If somebody will share pet photos or drawings of other subjects I will be grateful.
19:20 * OldCoder is attempting to liven up a blog
19:20 Jordach good
19:20 Jordach :)
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19:21 OldCoder OdnetninI, wb
19:21 OdnetninI Hi
19:21 OdnetninI I have two ideas to make minetest better
19:21 OldCoder Better is good
19:21 Jordach continue
19:21 OldCoder better explain
19:21 OdnetninI 1. Make objects and players, moved by water flowing
19:22 OdnetninI 2. If there are many similar objects together, make it only in one graphic
19:24 OdnetninI What do you think, OldCoder
19:24 OdnetninI ?
19:25 OldCoder R
19:25 * OldCoder writes
19:26 OldCoder 1. Do you mean a boat? 2. This has been the subject of arguments in some contexts. I have no position.
19:26 OdnetninI mmm
19:27 OdnetninI No
19:27 OdnetninI 1.
19:27 OdnetninI When you throw an object
19:27 OdnetninI you let the object in mini version
19:28 OdnetninI with object should move if there are a water flowing
19:28 OdnetninI 2.
19:28 OldCoder Jordach, before: 130MB. after: 94MB.
19:29 Jordach nice savinf
19:29 OldCoder OdnetninI, I don't understand yet but I will learn
19:29 OldCoder Zegaton work continues
19:29 OdnetninI mmm
19:29 OdnetninI I'm going to think other way to say you
19:29 OldCoder k
19:31 OdnetninI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSkFoJ6hN48
19:31 OdnetninI this is 1
19:31 OdnetninI water move objects
19:32 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=Bo9lM9ssrDo#t=248s
19:32 OldCoder Guys I can't watch videos ATM; too many things happening
19:33 OldCoder I can chat but only lightly
19:33 OldCoder I have two MT tasks to do right now as well
19:33 OdnetninI john_minetest, yes it is
19:33 KikaRz guys
19:33 OldCoder Finishing Zegaton
19:33 KikaRz for the http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/tutorial/englishEN.html i need to create one kind of wood?
19:34 john_minetest Wood?
19:34 KikaRz yea
19:34 KikaRz that mod
19:34 KikaRz *that tutorial
19:34 KikaRz mod
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19:40 marktraceur Jordach, KikaRz, /away <msg> is more established, and will (in some clients) give you more ability to read highlights you missed.
19:41 marktraceur (sorry, missed a bunch there)
19:41 marktraceur So when I do /away sleeping, and come back the next morning, the fifteen people who wanted my help can get it, however belatedly
19:41 KikaRz marktraceur, that's reactivating old messages.
19:41 KikaRz and my bot is automatic
19:41 KikaRz i don't set it up
19:42 KikaRz for the online irc, he's not really set up correctly.
19:42 KikaRz just for IRC client
19:42 marktraceur KikaRz: What do you mean, reactivating? You're just seeing what someone wrote to you, so you don't need to scroll fifty pages to do so
19:43 KikaRz I said that at....
19:43 marktraceur Oh, I see
19:43 KikaRz 59 minutes or minus
19:43 marktraceur KikaRz: I mention it because I had something new to add, and it hadn't been said otherwise
19:44 KikaRz ok
19:44 Jordach ahh yeah
19:44 Jordach my skin is much better
19:44 OldCoder
19:44 OldCoder Attention
19:44 OldCoder Ahem
19:44 OldCoder Announcing for your MT pleasure
19:44 OldCoder Another world
19:44 OldCoder Zegaton. Or Zeg9 for those of you who have played their.
19:44 OldCoder Skins!
19:44 OldCoder Which I will copy to the other worlds soon.
19:45 OldCoder NekoGloop can be a kitty
19:45 OldCoder RealBadAngel will be a Terminator from Heaven
19:45 KikaRz well
19:45 OldCoder Come and play
19:45 OldCoder Port 30015
19:45 KikaRz its {'default:stick', 'default:dirt', ''}, the correct sentence?
19:45 OldCoder Is now open for business
19:45 KikaRz default:stick is fine?
19:45 OldCoder Done
19:45 OldCoder
19:45 KikaRz stick is that?
19:45 OldCoder john_minetest, ^
19:45 OldCoder *played there
19:45 KikaRz OldCoder, ill go in some minutes
19:45 KikaRz but
19:45 KikaRz its stick?
19:45 KikaRz {'default:stick', 'default:dirt', ''},
19:46 marktraceur KikaRz: What are you asking?
19:46 KikaRz the default:stick
19:46 marktraceur 'default:stick' should be the name of it, yes.
19:46 KikaRz its default:stick to make a stick or not?
19:47 KikaRz because yesterday i tried, and it wasnt working ingame
19:47 marktraceur KikaRz: I'd suggest looking through the source of the default mod
19:48 KikaRz awww... not working.
19:48 OldCoder john_minetest, if you are here; notify Zeg9 it is running and please test everything. Player skins mods etc. All the previous user information should still be there.
19:49 KikaRz got a problem :(
19:49 OldCoder Zegaton may be a little faster now because it has been converted to LevelDB
19:50 KikaRz 19:47:44: ERROR[main]: Failed to load and run script from
19:50 KikaRz 19:47:44: ERROR[main]: C:\Documents and Settings\Joao\Ambiente de
19:50 KikaRz trabalho\Downloads\minetest-0.4.3-win32\minetest-0.4.3-win32\bin\..\mods\minetest\kkfmod\init.lua:
19:50 KikaRz 19:47:44: ERROR[main]: ...inetest-0.4.3-win32\bin\..\builtin/misc_register.lua:62: Name tutorial:decowood does not follow naming conventions: "modname:" or ":" prefix required
19:50 KikaRz 19:47:44: ERROR[main]: ...inetest-0.4.3-win32\bin\..\builtin/misc_register.lua:62: in function 'check_modname_prefix'
19:51 KikaRz 19:47:44: ERROR[main]: ...inetest-0.4.3-win32\bin\..\builtin/misc_register.lua:98: in function 'register_item'
19:51 KikaRz 19:47:44: ERROR[main]: ...inetest-0.4.3-win32\bin\..\builtin/misc_register.lua:154: in function 'register_node'
19:51 KikaRz 19:47:44: ERROR[main]: ...est-0.4.3-win32\bin\..\mods\minetest\kkfmod\init.lua:1: in main chunk
19:51 KikaRz :(
19:51 marktraceur KikaRz: A) Pastebin, jesus flying fuck B) You need to name items you define as 'kkfmod:ITEMNAME'
19:52 KikaRz oh
19:52 KikaRz i know
19:52 KikaRz in the tutorial
19:52 KikaRz it was: output = '"tutorial:decowood" 2',
19:52 KikaRz what name folder i putted? kkfmod
19:53 KikaRz i needed to change name to kkfmod:
19:53 Jordach kkfmod folder should be named tutorial
19:53 KikaRz i prefer to change lua
19:53 Jordach thats the fix needed
19:53 KikaRz Or the reverse
19:53 KikaRz tutorial: prefix needs to be changed to kkfmod
19:53 Jordach so change any instance of tutorial -> kkfmod
19:54 ShadowNinja or you can do :tutorial:decowood, the : escapes it
19:54 Jordach Taoki - if you read this, http://www.planetminecraft.com/skin/myself-1658817/
19:54 Taoki I'm here. Looks nice :)
19:55 Jordach good
19:55 Jordach i've possibly thought of a way to use PilzAdam's skin changer with your models
19:56 marktraceur KikaRz: "putted" is just....so _not_ a word.
19:56 Jordach marktraceur - we kinda need more teachers of lua
19:56 marktraceur KikaRz: "What is the name of the directory I created?" might have been what you tried to say
19:56 marktraceur Jordach: Well, I guess I'm glad I'm here
19:56 marktraceur Jordach: Or a better tutorial system, maybe
19:57 Jordach yep. also i worked out loops
19:57 Jordach those iterive bastards
19:57 marktraceur Jordach: Worked out? I didn't realize you were struggling with them
19:57 marktraceur Jordach: If you'd like I can help with other things, functions and so on
19:57 dzho well, one might have putted with a putting iron on the putting green.
19:57 Jordach marktraceur the c++ are simple as pi
19:58 marktraceur dzho: Yes, but KikaRz seems like a real hole-in-one kind of guy, so I discounted that possiblity
19:58 dzho ah, yes.  my apologies :-)
19:58 KikaRz ??
19:59 KikaRz guy?
19:59 KikaRz im a woman
19:59 Jordach also, marktraceur i've been working at something: https://github.com/Jordach/Simplistic_Minetest_Modding
19:59 Jordach a lua mod
19:59 Jordach (something im using to make easy mods, and as a newer framework for my elderly wool)
20:00 marktraceur KikaRz: Even so
20:00 marktraceur Jordach: modQuery? :P
20:01 Jordach somewhat, think of it as scratch to c++
20:01 KikaRz ok...
20:01 Jordach (or basic to lua)
20:01 KikaRz FUCK THIS COMPREUAWE=FR( WQ#R%/ ()"#/(% #"Y"#()=%I? W (also... we can call this... ragequit.)
20:01 Jordach KikaRz - coding is hard
20:01 KikaRz not that
20:01 KikaRz give me a good computer to get easy to code
20:01 KikaRz (kidding... coding is easy
20:01 KikaRz the computer lag is HARD)
20:02 marktraceur Oh, I see
20:02 marktraceur Jordach: It's a template?
20:02 Jordach yes
20:02 Jordach feel free to intergrate it into addtool
20:02 Jordach (yes i remember it)
20:02 marktraceur Jordach: I see, I thought it was a set of helper functions. You could probably name it something simpler
20:02 marktraceur Jordach: add_tool is dead, has been a long time....
20:02 Jordach though is in moreores now
20:02 marktraceur Jordach: I guess I could resurrect it, but it would look a lot different
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20:03 marktraceur Really? Huh.
20:03 john_minetest back
20:03 marktraceur I would definitely use the get_craft_result stuff to find all of the materials used to make tools.
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20:07 KikaRz going to give my fantastic stupid wood :D
20:07 KikaRz ill put a screenshot in dropbox ;)
20:09 * marktraceur considers, then dismisses, the idea of suggesting a free image host.
20:11 Jordach marktraceur - you said yourself that gimp and photoshop can happily co-exist, you've seen wikipedia
20:12 marktraceur Jordach: I'm pretty sure if I said something like that, I would have amended "....because some company will have to prey on the people too stupid to value their own freedom", or similar
20:13 Jordach mhm
20:13 marktraceur Jordach: What about Wikipedia?
20:13 Jordach i cant remember if it was your blog
20:13 marktraceur Oh, hm
20:13 Jordach (but i know i saw something about it)
20:16 celeron55 to be honest, i don't see how it matters if you host a random screenshot at dropbox
20:17 marktraceur celeron55: It matters little in the short term, but in the long run supporting a free image host will help everyone
20:17 Jordach yeah
20:17 celeron55 even better so, so that the respectable ones can host something more important instead
20:17 marktraceur celeron55: Ideally the support will lead to better free alternatives that will be more easily hosted on your own computer
20:18 marktraceur For this purpose I've recently started my own MediaGoblin instance, but it took a lot of programmer-y knowledge
20:18 Kray i have this easy-to-use hosting software, it's called nginx
20:18 Kray also I've heard apache and lighttpd are quite good
20:19 celeron55 i have multiple instances of this bloated chunk of code that happens to usually work, it's called apache2
20:19 marktraceur Kray: Again, for us programmers that's all well and good, but Mr. KikaRz is only learning Lua :)
20:19 celeron55 Ms. KikaRz*
20:19 marktraceur Sorry, I always forget.
20:19 celeron55 8)
20:19 * marktraceur is sorry, KikaRz
20:19 celeron55 altough there are no women on the internet
20:19 celeron55 those who claim so are liers
20:20 marktraceur celeron55: The internet, where the men are men, the women are men, and the children damn sure are FBI agents
20:20 celeron55 exactly
20:20 marktraceur Anyway
20:20 KikaRz I'm a miss
20:20 KikaRz not a mr.
20:20 marktraceur Ms. KikaRz might manage a `sudo apt-get install mediagoblin`, but scp'ing images regularly might be more tricky
20:20 KikaRz marktraceur, there is a company that children are FBI agents.
20:20 KikaRz (Cherub)
20:21 KikaRz ... mark, i know programming, not lua.
20:21 KikaRz and now im getting angry.
20:21 KikaRz my father is drunken
20:21 marktraceur KikaRz: Oh, I'm very sorry. I need to shut up for a while, excuse me.
20:21 celeron55 oh god, gnu affero
20:22 marktraceur celeron55: Yes, for those of us who are actually trying to preserve freedom :P
20:22 celeron55 ewwww
20:22 Kray affero :F
20:22 * celeron55 closes related internet pages
20:22 marktraceur celeron55: It's not like someone's going to link MediaGoblin into some other program, so it's pretty reasonable
20:23 marktraceur celeron55: Plus it's a GNU webapp project, so it's almost certainly going to be AGPL.
20:23 PilzAdam gtg; bye
20:24 celeron55 if i ever start any new open source project, i'm going to put it under AAL, just to screw the gnu people 8)
20:24 celeron55 or something other weird license
20:25 marktraceur celeron55: AAL?
20:25 Kray Attribution Assurance License
20:26 celeron55 (okay, actually probably 3cBSD, but just to throw random points around, because points are pointy)
20:26 Kray ahaha, dat license
20:26 dzho ugh
20:26 Kray 8D
20:26 Kray I would use that
20:26 Lumpio- WTFPL
20:27 Kray luntan licenses all his code as beerware
20:27 Jordach celeron55 - you're a genius
20:29 celeron55 i don't think so
20:29 celeron55 but anyway
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20:31 telek Y'know what I always loved?
20:31 john_minetest beeeeerware... i don't like beer. it tastes bad imo.
20:31 KikaRz who wants to see my new block?
20:31 john_minetest KikaRz: me
20:31 telek Reading through the FreeBSD kernel tree and all the disclaimers: 'This code is not under the BSD license. By utilizing this code your kernel will fall under the licensing of the GPL' :D
20:31 KikaRz https://www.dropbox.com/s/3mkrzzbw61e3myj/Sem%20t%C3%ADtulo.bmp
20:31 Jordach .bmp
20:32 Jordach D:
20:32 Jordach RUN!
20:32 telek KikaRz: Use .png where possible :) It's more x-platform :)
20:32 marktraceur KikaRz: ++ for keeping alive the MS paint tradition :P
20:32 celeron55 telek: because GPL is cancer 8)
20:32 marktraceur celeron55: I thought all free software was? :P
20:32 KikaRz my fluorescent block
20:32 marktraceur KikaRz: "node"
20:33 telek Eh. I kinda think modern corporatism is cancer :D
20:33 KikaRz no, just use my fluorescent block.
20:33 celeron55 telek: both are
20:33 john_minetest what's about zlib style license? I think it wasn't viral...
20:33 celeron55 just as much
20:33 KikaRz marktraceur, i could use Paint++
20:33 KikaRz or something
20:33 marktraceur KikaRz: I was just joking around :)
20:33 marktraceur KikaRz: I'd suggest GIMP, but as it's GPL (or I think so), the others may take issue
20:33 KikaRz But it lags
20:33 KikaRz i can't use it
20:33 KikaRz neither to edit models
20:34 KikaRz neither to edit images
20:34 telek MIT :)
20:34 * Jordach suspects very low end onboard card on a laptop
20:34 john_minetest clanlibs zlib style license doesn't sound so viral...
20:35 john_minetest Permission is granted to anyone to use this software for any purpose,
20:35 celeron55 marktraceur: it's not like i wouldn't use or develop GPL stuff, but still i would recommend everyone to be very open towards more open licenses
20:35 john_minetest including commercial applications, and to alter it and redistribute it
20:35 john_minetest freely, subject to the following restrictions:
20:35 john_minetest 1. The origin of this software must not be misrepresented; you must not
20:35 john_minetest claim that you wrote the original software. If you use this software
20:35 john_minetest in a product, an acknowledgment in the product documentation would be
20:35 john_minetest appreciated but is not required.
20:35 john_minetest 2. Altered source versions must be plainly marked as such, and must not be
20:35 john_minetest misrepresented as being the original software.
20:35 john_minetest 3. This notice may not be removed or altered from any source distribution.
20:35 marktraceur celeron55: I'm sure we've had this discussion before, but hey
20:35 marktraceur celeron55: The only people for whom the GPL or AGPL can be considered less than open is people who are trying to develop non-free software
20:36 john_minetest Let's troll Stallman and make the most commercial license ever created!
20:36 john_minetest ;)
20:36 marktraceur celeron55: So my reaction to their complaints is "the bug here seems to be your software, not my license""
20:36 marktraceur john_minetest: Stallman has no beef with commercial, so he wouldn't mind
20:37 Jordach 1. You cannot re-distribute this software in any means, selling on is not allowed, using this software without a licene is dis-allowed
20:37 celeron55 marktraceur: your fact is completely screwed right there
20:37 telek Stallman's original beef was someone else stealing his code and then commercializing it was it not?
20:37 marktraceur telek: It was someone giving him software that he couldn't rewrite
20:37 Jordach actually
20:37 marktraceur celeron55: Which fact?
20:37 Jordach speaking of something that got stolen
20:38 john_minetest telek: afaik he was throuwn out of some nice projects that became commercial so he invented these licenses.
20:38 telek john_minetest: Ahh.
20:38 Jordach at a minetest show hosted by Stallman
20:38 Jordach i've rewired the video feed to show Minecraft >:)
20:38 celeron55 marktraceur: GPL is like declaring war towards closed software; BSD/MIT/whatever is like letting them peacefully slide into the more open development model
20:38 Jordach <evil/>
20:39 * Jordach agrees with BSD
20:39 john_minetest imo Stallman is a bit too radical. OSS is nice but it is not the solution to everything.
20:39 marktraceur celeron55: Would you advocate against declaring war against something that
20:39 marktraceur Sorry, misfire
20:39 celeron55 most developers don't especially like closed development
20:39 celeron55 so it will change over time
20:40 marktraceur celeron55: I guess it's a question of whether you particularly value others' freedoms or not. I don't want to contribute to others' misfortune, so yes, I declare war on non-free software.
20:40 celeron55 the few who will screw around with the system aren't worth the war
20:40 john_minetest In online gaming where every point counts in the highscore, modification of the clients would destroy gameplay. So closed source prevents a bit from such things.
20:41 marktraceur celeron55: Well, for my own peace of mind then, I prevent others from using my work in their non-free works.
20:41 celeron55 john_minetest: lol, that is just horrible multiplayer design
20:41 * marktraceur agrees
20:41 Jordach john_minetest - play xonotic, never found a cheater
20:41 Jordach (that game is OSS)
20:41 marktraceur john_minetest: If a rogue client can affect the results on the server, you're doing it wrong
20:41 Kray wallhack!
20:41 * Kray is running 3 eve online clients right now
20:42 Jordach O.O
20:42 john_minetest MySQL made around 12 Million Dollars with Open source software. They gave it away for free but sold a second version with support.  A way to get rich with OSS.
20:42 john_minetest 12 Million Dollars per year of course
20:43 telek Nah it was the selling out to Oracle that made them rich :D
20:43 telek Same with lots of other open source companies.
20:43 telek That kernel-splice tool for instance.
20:43 Jordach oracle is a giant asshole
20:43 Jordach shitting crap for computers
20:44 telek Jordach: Not debating it, I'm pointing out however that the key money-making part of the equation isn't selling the product itself, it's 'selling out' the product to someone bigger.
20:45 * john_minetest will go off reading a few pages of eric s. raymond's essays.
20:45 john_minetest bye
20:45 * telek waves.
20:47 marktraceur celeron55: I think it's important for me to note that, while I declare war against the concept of non-free software, I don't declare war against non-free software developers.
20:47 marktraceur celeron55: There are a lot of people who might think that free software advocates think of it as "us vs. them", but that's not it at all.
20:48 Jordach marktraceur, OSS can be a drug, knowing when to stop is the hard bit
20:48 marktraceur Jordach: How so?
20:48 Jordach (or at least stop shouting at the non-free software)
20:48 Jordach shouting never makes a difference
20:49 marktraceur Jordach: That's true, I agree
20:49 Jordach or in Layman's terms, the common man does not give two shits for a license
20:49 KikaRz when im nervous
20:49 KikaRz im suffocating
20:49 KikaRz well, almost suffocating
20:49 Jordach any programmer has probably come across this before
20:49 babyface1031 does anyone know the craft recipe for the gem encrusting table
20:50 marktraceur Jordach: That much, I'm not sure about. It seems like laypeople might be interested in knowing that they have no rights in these situations.
20:50 KikaRz my father drunken = NERVOUS 100% ANGRY 50% SAD 50%
20:50 Jordach 200& illogical
20:50 marktraceur KikaRz: So your mass and volume double when your father is drunk?
20:50 KikaRz maybe.
20:50 * marktraceur took a physics class once
20:50 Jordach <KikaRz> my father drunken = NERVOUS 100% ANGRY 50% SAD 50% / 2
20:50 Jordach problem solved
20:50 KikaRz so
20:51 marktraceur KikaRz: Be safe, eh?
20:51 KikaRz itlls give us... 100%
20:51 KikaRz 100 = 50
20:51 KikaRz 50 = 25
20:51 KikaRz 50 + 25 + 25 = 100
20:51 KikaRz '-'
20:51 KikaRz my head is like...
20:51 KikaRz blowingu p
20:51 KikaRz well
20:52 KikaRz is there MuadTralk?
20:52 marktraceur KikaRz: You should probably see a doctor, exploding head syndrome can be dangerous
20:52 KikaRz ...
20:52 KikaRz stop kidding
20:52 KikaRz if you had a sad life... i'm feeling the same as you
20:52 marktraceur KikaRz: well, in seriousness, if you're that nervous you may need to call *someone*, but without details I can't tell who you should call
20:52 KikaRz if you had a pretty happy life... try putting (if that word exists) yourself in other people position
20:53 KikaRz going to finish my minetest tower.
20:54 marktraceur KikaRz: I'm serious--if you need help, call for help.
20:54 KikaRz my mother wanted me to dont call 112 (911 in portugal)
20:54 KikaRz but i need very much
20:54 KikaRz if he continues doing this
20:54 KikaRz some day
20:54 KikaRz ill get the phone
20:54 KikaRz and call 911
20:55 marktraceur KikaRz: Call if you want. Don't hold off on reporting your suffering because someone asks you to.
20:55 telek Or y'know, just get 'em really drunk and trip them down some stairs :D
20:55 marktraceur telek: Useful, thanks
20:55 KikaRz that was a excelent idea
20:55 KikaRz then he went to hospital
20:55 KikaRz then to AA
20:56 KikaRz Anonymous Alcoholics
20:56 * marktraceur isn't listening
20:56 telek Get some of that anti-alcoholic stuff that makes him puke anytime he drinks alcohol? :D
20:57 KikaRz Where is the man of Technic?
20:57 KikaRz RealBadAngel
20:57 KikaRz I can put 2 Battery boxes to get 1200000 energy?
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20:57 KikaRz *120000
20:58 Jordach KikaRz - one box can hold 60000
20:58 KikaRz not that
20:58 KikaRz 2 boxes
20:58 KikaRz side by side
20:58 Jordach having two will just hold twice the amount availible
20:58 KikaRz they can give 120000 energy?
20:58 Jordach somewhat
20:59 Jordach (its too difficult to explain in simple english)
20:59 KikaRz brb
21:00 Jordach anyways, im going to head off to bed now.
21:00 Jordach night all
21:00 telek Hey how is the edge of the world handled in Minetest? Invisible wall?
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21:05 KikaRz nothing
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21:31 OldCoder It has been reported that Zegaton World is working correctly
21:32 OldCoder Try it at port 30015
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21:50 KikaRz What i need to make a teleport square???
21:50 KikaRz Mese, glass and?
21:50 NekoGloop Wood.
21:52 KikaRz what sequence?
21:52 NekoGloop A very special one.
21:53 KikaRz not that
21:53 KikaRz the recipe
21:53 NekoGloop A very special one.
21:53 KikaRz The recipe.
21:54 marktraceur KikaRz: I think what NekoGloop is saying is, "look it up"
21:54 NekoGloop That ^
21:54 NekoGloop Because i dont give a shit and dont remember.
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22:00 OldCoder NekoGloop, you will have your kitty avatar soon
22:00 OldCoder NekoGloop, would you like to make a high resolution one?
22:01 NekoGloop No.
22:01 OldCoder All right
22:04 telek Bloop bloop, it's the gloop.
22:05 OldCoder telek like it is!
22:05 OldCoder ^ humor
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22:11 telek Cute :)
22:11 * telek hadn't considered that rhyme.
22:12 * NekoGloop hasnt rhymed.
22:12 * VanessaE pokes NekoGloop with a random, rhyming highlight ;)
22:12 VanessaE hi all
22:12 telek What's shakin VanessaE?
22:12 NekoGloop But it didnt rhyme.
22:12 NekoGloop Wow fail.
22:12 NekoGloop :3
22:12 VanessaE not much, just got back from running some errands,
22:14 OldCoder VanessaE, check out the new world on 30015. Zegaton. I am hosting Zeg9 now.
22:14 OldCoder VanessaE, Player Pictures go up soon
22:14 OldCoder Is there set you wish for yourself?
22:14 OldCoder *a set
22:14 VanessaE I have no preference
22:18 NekoGloop Are they going to minetest upstream or to minetest-OC?
22:21 telek What's -OC?
22:21 NekoGloop Minetest OldCoder version
22:21 NekoGloop As per "minetest-c55”
22:22 marktraceur NekoGloop: Hold, he's putting this into core?
22:22 NekoGloop No idea.
22:22 marktraceur OldCoder: Please tell me you're adding this to a playertextures mod or something
22:22 NekoGloop Why else would i ask?
22:23 KikaRz Gloop
22:23 OldCoder marktraceur, It is a PilzAdam mod
22:23 KikaRz Where we can get Alatro ?
22:23 marktraceur Ah K.
22:24 NekoGloop KikaRz: Above sea level.
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22:27 KikaRz how i make a chair into the forniture mod ?
22:28 NekoGloop KikaRz: Magic.
22:29 OldCoder marktraceur, do you have 2 PNG or JPEG files for front and back that you wish to use?
22:29 KikaRz give me the recipe please
22:29 KikaRz is not for me
22:29 KikaRz its for my friend... telek
22:30 NekoGloop KikaRz: Look it up.
22:30 KikaRz he's on the top of tower, if he stays oin foot, he gots with a great hurting feet fingers
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22:32 marktraceur OldCoder: Not particularly, I might send one later
22:32 marktraceur OldCoder: I can just create one and put it on the servers I run, they're the only ones I use anyway :)
22:33 OldCoder All right
22:33 * telek hangs his feet off the table.
22:34 KikaRz poor telek :(
22:34 telek Wasn't there a mod a while back to use 'generic' recipes and have specific materials replace both an input resource and the output item/texture?
22:35 telek IE for doing dwarf fortress style 'any resource' furniture?
22:35 marktraceur telek: Sounds like an easy library to make
22:35 marktraceur er, mod
22:35 marktraceur telek: It would take some image magick, and the server start time would be slow the first time, but it's certainly possible.
22:36 telek marktraceur: *nods*
23:10 marktraceur Can someone move http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3804 to the mod releases forum please?
23:10 marktraceur I asked VanessaE yesterday but no luck yet
23:10 cisoun1 I'm on it.
23:11 cisoun1 Done.
23:12 marktraceur cisoun1: Much thanks
23:16 VanessaE sorry I missed that, mark
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23:16 VanessaE btw you need screenshots and your title needs fixed
23:17 marktraceur VanessaE: What about the title? (I'll do screenshots later)
23:17 VanessaE it needs to be something like "[Modpack] Industry Pack [version# if any]"
23:18 InfinityProject The goddamn punbb; sorry for bothering you all, but I can't seem to answer any of the new punbb questions. Does anyone know the answers?
23:19 marktraceur VanessaE: Thanks
23:20 NakedFury mark how do gears work?  can you place them next to each other and if one moves they all move, like they would in real life?
23:21 marktraceur NakedFury: They're only a craftitem
23:22 marktraceur NakedFury: Used in the construction of conveyor belts, which are used in the construction of transactors (transfer items from chest -> furnace -> chest etc.)
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23:24 NakedFury ok
23:24 NakedFury I like that transactor
23:25 marktraceur NakedFury: I agree! I'm starting to think it's almost too expensive, though I'm mostly happy with that limit
23:25 marktraceur NakedFury: It makes fueling furnaces 10x easier, once you get up the resources
23:25 marktraceur NakedFury: Once I add factories, you'll be able to produce anything automatically by just putting resources into chests
23:27 NakedFury would the transactor be programmable? example: say I have 1 chest where I place all my ores in lump form.  and I have several transactors connected to it. I want them to filter certain ores into each transactor so it goes to a especific furnace then a specific chest
23:27 NakedFury would be possible or is that long term plan?
23:28 marktraceur NakedFury: I suppose that could be a long term plan, maybe by having an inventory stored in the transactor and only transferring things in the inventory. But that's long term, since I don't need that for factories
23:28 marktraceur NakedFury: The other wishlist item is vertical transactors
23:29 OldCoder babyface1031, Hi
23:29 OldCoder babyface1031, can you draw?
23:29 babyface1031 hi
23:29 babyface1031 not really
23:30 OldCoder All right
23:30 babyface1031 but i can try
23:30 babyface1031 what you need
23:30 OldCoder We are likely to have player pictures soon
23:30 OldCoder So we need...
23:30 OldCoder You :-)
23:30 OldCoder Like this:
23:30 OldCoder http://minetest.org/player.png
23:30 OldCoder http://minetest.org/player_back.png
23:30 OldCoder
23:30 OldCoder Everybody can be who they wish
23:30 babyface1031 i can put in in paint and add stuff to it and see what it looks like
23:30 OldCoder Sure
23:31 babyface1031 ok i will work in it
23:31 OldCoder Change gender if you wish
23:31 OldCoder Current avatar is a good one but limited
23:31 OldCoder If whole worlds are filled with one person
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23:35 babyface1031 ok i will work on it some
23:41 babyface1031 is this to big http://i.imgur.com/IxRls.png
23:41 babyface1031 i was playing with the nova skin the other day
23:41 babyface1031 http://i.imgur.com/W2vZx.png
23:42 VanessaE it's cute
23:42 VanessaE I kinda like it
23:43 VanessaE the white parts around it are alpha transparent I assume?
23:46 marktraceur VanessaE: No, there will be white outlines for everyone, no opt-out
23:46 marktraceur :P
23:46 VanessaE heh
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