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00:25 RealBadAngel all is done but not workin ;) debuggin time :)
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00:32 RealBadAngel jin_xi: i think its ready for multiplayer
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00:32 * VanessaE pokes NekoGloop, IPV6 style.
00:32 VanessaE dammit
00:32 RealBadAngel hi
00:33 VanessaE hi
00:33 RealBadAngel jin_xi, yup, im uploading the changes
00:33 jin_xi ok
00:37 RealBadAngel lotsa changes this time
00:37 RealBadAngel its online
00:38 RealBadAngel please test it
00:38 RealBadAngel VanessaE, wanna play tetris maybe? :)
00:38 VanessaE not right now, reading up on model railroading :D
00:38 RealBadAngel its playable on servers even now
00:44 jin_xi testin
00:47 jin_xi cool, playing two games at once
00:47 RealBadAngel hehehe
00:50 RealBadAngel now what? coin slot? :)
00:51 RealBadAngel 1 iron ingot = 10 coins, 1 coin = 1 game
00:51 jin_xi sounds good
00:51 VanessaE no way.  use brass.
00:52 VanessaE 1 brass -> 10 brass coins.
00:52 VanessaE :-)
00:52 VanessaE iron's too easy to find, make the player work for their fun :-)
00:52 RealBadAngel i think that the arcade machine shall depend only on default mods
00:53 RealBadAngel and nothin more
00:53 VanessaE THIS is why I advocate moreores and moreblocks being part of the default game.
00:53 RealBadAngel if moreores will be merged than it could be changed
00:53 RealBadAngel me too
00:55 jin_xi anyways recipes are easy enough for anyone to switch
00:56 jin_xi i mean server people who want to avoid dependencies
00:56 RealBadAngel for start it can be iron
00:59 RealBadAngel http://icons.iconarchive.com/icons/iron-devil/treasures/16/Silver-coin-icon.png
00:59 RealBadAngel something like this
01:00 RealBadAngel License: Free for non-commercial use.
01:00 RealBadAngel Commercial usage: Not allowed
01:01 RealBadAngel i think its ok for us?
01:01 jin_xi i think it would look better centered and flipped
01:01 VanessaE better to draw your own
01:04 RealBadAngel well, since on arcade thers 5cents per game, maybe picture of 5c coin? :)
01:05 VanessaE 25c is the more common cost of a video game, at least in the US..
01:05 VanessaE or at least it was when I was growing up anyway
01:05 RealBadAngel http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1970-S-Jefferson-Nickel-5c-Coin-UNC-/03/!CE9%29nEQEGk~$%28KGrHqR,!gwE06HgYVpZBNTqeOUeIQ~~_39.JPG
01:05 RealBadAngel its an veeeery old arcade machine :)
01:10 OldCoder Veeeeeeery old
01:10 OldCoder ve+ry old
01:13 NakedFury RBA you adding money to the game?
01:16 RealBadAngel coins for arcade machine
01:16 telek VanessaE: Model Railroad, planning to become a virtual Railroad tycoon? :D
01:16 VanessaE heh
01:17 VanessaE no, just getting ready to set up a little ~2.4x1.2m HO-scale layout
01:19 VanessaE got a metric assload of track on the way, now I'm looking up proper roadbed/ballast.. Something cheap and somewhat realistic
01:19 VanessaE (probably adhesive-backed foam)
01:22 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/arcade.png
01:22 telek Oh neat :)
01:23 VanessaE use a 25-cent marker
01:23 VanessaE 5 cents will look out of place given the age of tetris.
01:23 * telek went the LEGO route, just in time for them to get rid of the old 12V system and replace it with 'wireless' trains so they could cut out the metal costs (and probably slightly increase the safety).
01:23 RealBadAngel theres a price already on the machine :)
01:24 VanessaE fix it. :-)
01:24 RealBadAngel easy to say, there are lotsa textures
01:24 telek RBA: Do they double as a throwing weapon? :D
01:24 RealBadAngel lol
01:25 RealBadAngel rotfl, with item pickup its almost impossible to throw 5cents away
01:26 telek They're so big they get immediately registered as an item to pick up?
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01:27 bulletrulz hellos
01:27 RealBadAngel hi
01:28 bulletrulz sup
01:29 RealBadAngel play tetris :)
01:29 RealBadAngel bulletrulz, http://realbadangel.pl/arcade.png
01:30 RealBadAngel https://github.com/obneq/tetris/
01:30 bulletrulz lol
01:30 bulletrulz :D
01:31 RealBadAngel its actually playable already
01:31 RealBadAngel jin_xi, ive added coins to github
01:32 bulletrulz nice if u could upload it to a non https site i can dl it
01:33 RealBadAngel hold on
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01:37 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/tetris.zip
01:38 RealBadAngel theres no craft recipe, use creative
01:38 RealBadAngel or giveme tetris:arcade
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02:32 babyface1031 hi everyone
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02:34 RealBadAngel hi
02:34 babyface1031 is there a mod that rotates a node or some how to make lights turn on and off to make it look like the ligh tis rotating around like a light house
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02:39 Doc22 OldCoder i have been here a while
02:39 Doc22 can i be mod on 30004
02:40 Doc22 OldCoder?
02:40 OldCoder Hi
02:40 OldCoder Maybe
02:40 OldCoder Busy ATM
02:40 babyface1031 Doc he could be resting
02:40 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7bKqu6ZPbc
02:40 babyface1031 or busy lol
02:42 Doc22 ok
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03:01 RealBadAngel celeron55, hi, you wake up pretty early
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03:31 OldCoder celeron55, Hi
03:31 OldCoder I am working actually
03:31 OldCoder ^ Doc22 babyface1031
03:31 OldCoder It's an odd year
03:31 Doc22 ya
03:31 Doc22 hrmmm
03:31 babyface1031 hi
03:31 OldCoder I can chat now
03:31 Doc22 ok
03:31 OldCoder Until I fall asleep
03:31 Doc22 so can you make me mod
03:32 babyface1031 dic why you need to be mod
03:32 telek Old people like him fall asleep at random though, so don't expect many or any replies :D
03:32 OldCoder We'll talk about it. I think we'll let Octupus and babyface1031 debate.
03:32 OldCoder telek, actually check my blog
03:32 OldCoder Most days
03:32 OldCoder I've been waking up before 6:00am
03:32 OldCoder The other night it was 11:30pm
03:32 Doc22 ok
03:32 OldCoder Is that early enough? :p
03:32 Doc22 im just wondering
03:32 telek OC: That was mostly a jest :D
03:33 OldCoder Doc22, I think I'll defer to Octupus and babyface1031
03:33 OldCoder telek, that is fine
03:33 Doc22 all right
03:33 OldCoder telek, I knew it was. But I'll explain that I'm more literal than most.
03:33 babyface1031 i will talk to oct next time i see him but i think he went to MC
03:33 OldCoder babyface1031, There is no rush
03:33 telek Somebody recompile OldCoder without the -pedantic flag :D
03:33 OldCoder babyface1031, we can talk in PM
03:33 OldCoder telek, Heh
03:33 babyface1031 ok
03:33 OldCoder telek, It is regrettably not an option. I am a prior release.
03:34 telek There's no doubt a COBOL programmer around here somewhere to fix you :D
03:38 OldCoder telek, COBOL was before my time
03:38 OldCoder But we did sell a COBOL related product
03:38 OldCoder Doc22, PM me if you wish
03:38 OldCoder Regarding changes
03:38 Doc22 ok
03:39 telek OldCoder: That sounds credible enough then :D I think anybody older enough to work on cobol is one and a half feet in the grave anyway :D
03:39 telek s/older/old/
03:41 OldCoder All right
03:59 VanessaE fwiw, my husband used to code in COBOL.
03:59 VanessaE (back on the System/36)
04:02 * telek whistles.
04:03 * telek hasn't coded on anything older than a C64.
04:03 VanessaE I started on a T/S1000 then moved to the C64.
04:03 telek That wasn't a downgrade?
04:04 VanessaE definitely not.
04:04 RealBadAngel sounds pretty like T1000, are you from Skynet?
04:05 VanessaE heh
04:08 RealBadAngel off to work, cya later
04:08 telek VanessaE: OH Timex Sinclair :D
04:08 * telek waves!
04:08 VanessaE yeah
04:08 VanessaE you know, the PoS that was basically a ZX-81 with an extra 1k of RAM :-)
04:09 Doc22 lol
04:09 Doc22 bye gtg
04:09 RealBadAngel latest Z80 based computer had 512kb of ram
04:09 RealBadAngel Sam Coupe
04:10 VanessaE let's see celeron55 and co. make Minetest work on that thing :D
04:10 VanessaE RealBadAngel: when last assembled at full capacity, my C128 had 32MB. :-)
04:15 telek Heh.
04:15 telek I think the C128 could almost :D
04:15 telek Bet it'd be SLOWWWW though :D
04:16 VanessaE from experience, with an accelerator you could probably get 10fps or so out of a C128 at 160x200 color.  not too shabby really.
04:16 telek Slowest I think you could hypothetically pull off would be a late-model 486 with a PCI bus.
04:17 telek Oh speaking of: Has anyone considered possible optimization areas where using OpenCL might improve performance?
04:32 OldCoder 512KB RAM Whoa!
04:32 OldCoder Huge!
04:32 VanessaE no clue, telek
04:33 VanessaE but given that C++ is supposed to be about as close to the hardware as you can get without resorting to assembly, I tend to doubt it.
04:33 telek VanessaE: OpenCL allows utilizing either GPU or cpu resources :)
04:35 telek So potentially certain bits of parallelizable(sp) code could be offloaded to the gpu instead of the cpu.
04:39 VanessaE ah
04:39 VanessaE didn'
04:39 VanessaE didn't think about it from that perspective.
04:42 telek Lotta people don't :) For newer hardware though it's got a huge potential to speed things up, even on low-end cards.
04:44 OldCoder Who
04:44 OldCoder Whoa
04:44 OldCoder VanessaE, C++ is not very close to the hardware
04:45 VanessaE I've heard it claimed that it is.
04:45 OldCoder All types of junk happen under the service
04:45 OldCoder *surface
04:45 OldCoder *C* is close to the hardware
04:45 VanessaE as close as you get fgor a high-level language that is
04:45 OldCoder C++ is not C
04:45 VanessaE for*
04:45 OldCoder Nope
04:45 OldCoder FORTRAN and C are close to the hardware
04:45 VanessaE *shrug*
04:45 OldCoder *shrug* back :p
04:45 VanessaE I prefer to stick to other languages anyway
04:45 OldCoder Many languages are good
04:45 OldCoder For different things
04:45 OldCoder <--- likes languages
04:46 OldCoder So many of them these days. Most are not contenders for MT though.
04:47 telek Indeed.
04:48 VanessaE aw screw it.  rewrite MT in bash ;)
04:48 telek With mods now MT is only taking up ~128 megs on my server and a similiar amount on my client.
04:48 telek I would love to see that.
04:48 telek Just not play it :D
05:02 VanessaE bbl
05:06 * telek waves!
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05:47 bulletrulz USAB IS SPLINTING TO 2
05:48 OldCoder splinting?
05:48 * OldCoder imagines a broken bone
05:48 OldCoder VanessaE, Don't kid. M13 will try that!
05:49 OldCoder <VanessaE> aw screw it.  rewrite MT in bash ;)
05:49 OldCoder :-)
05:56 telek Oh another one I haven't seen mentioned in a while: Has anyone done work on 'infinitely flowing water', so it'll keep flowing until it fills lower areas (at least as far as blocks are generated/loaded)?
06:08 telek When you reach the edge of the map in minetest, is it an impenetrable barrier, wraparound, or 'endless pit'?
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06:10 ruskie *yawn*
06:10 * bulletrulz pours water on ruskie
06:10 bulletrulz wake UP!
06:10 * telek pours vodka on ruskie.
06:13 * bulletrulz hits telek HES TRYING TO QUIT DUMBASS
06:14 bulletrulz LOL
06:15 telek Well if he can't stand being doused in it without falling back off the wagon, how's he going to survive socializing :S
06:16 ruskie rofl
06:16 telek :)
06:17 ruskie bulletrulz, considering I woke up 30+minutes ago.. and it's now 07:17...
06:17 ruskie had to drive myself to work in between that time as well
06:17 ruskie I am rather awake
06:17 ruskie just not liking it much
06:20 telek :(
06:20 telek Is the DM the only 'destructive' mob in either stock or the animals_modpack?
06:26 * bulletrulz shoots a guy and says i was in fear of my life
06:27 telek Go watch the latest Ep of Grimm and tell me that's a good idea :D
06:28 bulletrulz lol
06:29 * bulletrulz pulls out his macchette and kills 4 people what I WAS IN FEAR OF MY LIFE
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07:46 bulletrulz NIGHT
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08:52 OldCoder I am asleep
08:52 OldCoder Zzz
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12:24 celeron55 to the discussion of... umm... 04:00 UTC:
12:24 celeron55 C++ is pretty much as close to hardware as you can get, while being able to use the amount of abstraction it does
12:25 celeron55 (one of the simple proofs of that is that C is mostly valid C++)
12:26 celeron55 oh, and i have a related link
12:26 celeron55 http://blog.rfw.name/2012/11/12/brainfuck_with_templates.html
12:26 celeron55 turns out you can turn brainfuck into perfectly optimized native code with C++ templates
12:26 celeron55 let's use that as the second proof
12:28 * celeron55 is taking in objections
12:31 Lumpio- Didn't one of the newer versions of C++ have user defined literals
12:31 Lumpio- So you could have like "+++[>++"_brainfuck or whatever instead of '+', '+', '+' etc
12:31 celeron55 there's a comment about it in there
12:31 celeron55 so yes
12:32 Lumpio- aww .__.
12:55 sfan5 hello
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13:24 OdnetninI OldCoder, give me build priv in server 30002, I prefer to remake my map
13:24 OdnetninI I'm goint to improve it
13:24 Taoki http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=52114#p52114
13:26 OdnetninI OldCoder?
13:31 jin_xi Taoki: cool
13:31 Taoki Thanks
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14:47 OdnetninI can anyone give me privs in server minetest.org:30002
14:47 OdnetninI ?
14:55 mrtux ask oldcoder
14:55 mrtux he is away right now though
14:57 OdnetninI he isn't here now
14:57 mrtux <mrtux> he is away right now though
14:58 OdnetninI Oldcoder?
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15:17 OdnetninI OldCoder, ?
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15:45 Jordach hello all
15:45 * Jordach pokes VanessaE
15:48 Jordach Taoki - good lord! it works!
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15:48 Taoki Jordach: Guess what I'm working on in Blender now? :)
15:48 Taoki Will post a screenshot soon
15:48 Jordach hey PilzAdam
15:48 Taoki hi
15:49 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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15:50 Calinou hai
15:50 jin_xi Hi Adam
15:50 * Calinou removed windows and installed xubuntu
15:50 Calinou :D
15:50 PilzAdam yay
15:50 Calinou still setting things up
15:51 * Jordach suspects Calinou goes to school and is a similar age to Jordach
15:51 ruskie lol
15:51 Calinou no u
15:51 * Jordach goes to sixth form which ends at 2pm
15:51 ruskie hmm I think I'll swap the distro @work somewhere near the end of the year shouldn't take more than a couple of hours
15:52 Calinou installin' nvidia driver
15:53 Calinou yeah we know linus torvalds.
15:53 * Calinou uses a desktop,  no optimus here
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16:01 Calinou there
16:05 Jordach MC 1.4.4: bugfixes
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16:08 Jordach lol, shit luinux box
16:08 Calinou xfce window compositing eats my gpu too... disabled it
16:08 Calinou no u Jordach
16:19 babyface1031 RealBadAngel can you name mythril chest yet?
16:20 ruskie babyface1031, they won't be nameable... they'll be special purpose... you'll be able to set one and assign it to a group and all of them will have the same content no matter where they are
16:20 babyface1031 oh
16:21 babyface1031 oh is the nameing only work on gold
16:21 ruskie gold and silver iirc
16:21 babyface1031 ok
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16:31 OldCoder Hello
16:31 OldCoder Hmm. What did odnet* want?
16:32 OldCoder I slept late today
16:32 OldCoder But, then, I went to sleep about 7 hours ago
16:32 OldCoder Build privs coming
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16:57 Doc22 Hey Oldcoder
16:58 OldCoder Doc22, Hi
16:58 Doc22 the teleport thing works for me
16:58 OldCoder Glad to hear it
16:58 Doc22 like /teleport x, y, z
16:58 Doc22 or /teleport player
16:58 Doc22 but not /teleport player1 player2
16:59 Doc22 do you know what is wrong?
16:59 Doc22 babyface typed the same thing as me
16:59 Doc22 and it worked
16:59 Doc22 it tells me "invalid parameters or player name incorrect"
17:00 Doc22 any ideas?
17:01 OldCoder Reading
17:01 OldCoder Doc22, I wonder if player to player TP is a different level of priv
17:01 Doc22 thats what i think
17:01 OldCoder That is possible
17:02 OldCoder Simple enough to check
17:02 OldCoder I'll ask others with different privs or review the source code
17:02 Doc22 ok
17:02 OldCoder BTW Today continues to be distracting for me. But I'll be here in chat except for one major errand.
17:03 Doc22 ok
17:07 * ruskie starts making a lot of gravel
17:14 Doc22 oldcoder could my minetest be out of date
17:14 OldCoder Client?
17:14 Doc22 its 0,4,3
17:14 Doc22 0.4.3
17:14 OldCoder Probably not
17:14 Doc22 hmmm
17:14 OldCoder It *is* out of date
17:14 Doc22 idk what causes it
17:14 OldCoder For some servers
17:14 OldCoder But not mine
17:14 Doc22 ok
17:14 OldCoder I think
17:14 Doc22 im on 30004
17:16 OldCoder TP issue? Probably privs
17:16 OldCoder Not sure yet
17:22 Doc22 babyface says it isnt
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17:23 babyface1031 i would think it would work the other way too
17:25 telek Yeah 0.4.3 is version 10 protocol AFAIK and -dev is currently at 12 or 13
17:25 babyface1031 he can do /teleport Doc babyface1031a but not /teleport babfyace1031a Doc
17:26 Calinou you need bring priv to do that
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17:28 ruskie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M9Sc8zhoBQ&amp;feature=youtube_gdata <-- it is MC but still nice
17:28 babyface1031 ok ty
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17:30 Octupus hello
17:31 OldCoder Welcome back
17:32 OldCoder babyface1031, PM
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17:32 Octupus im sick again *cough couch*
17:33 OldCoder If it is the flu this may persist a week
17:33 Octupus might not go tomorrow eithre
17:37 NakedFury OldCoder did you find what was the problem with the mods not letting you mine under 1000 y?
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17:38 telek Is playerheight hardcoded, or would it be possible to make playerheight only 1 block instead of 2 (or larger even?)
17:39 OldCoder NakedFury, I've done no significant work on MT for about a week. My involvement continues but there are events elsewhere that I will need to focus on for a bit.
17:39 Octupus that is coded in c++ telek
17:39 Octupus but yes it can be possible
17:39 telek But it'd mean adding a new lua hook, correct?
17:39 Octupus O
17:39 Octupus that is not possible in lua
17:40 Octupus nvm it does
17:40 telek Linkie?
17:40 Octupus it is possible in lua because 2 ppl can shown that
17:41 telek Also, it is possible to add new fields to the 'playerfile' via lua?
17:41 Octupus not sure
17:41 Octupus ask PilzAda
17:41 telek PilzAdam: When you've got a minute!
17:42 PilzAdam you can change the player height
17:42 telek PilzAdam: Any idea about pushing new fields into the playerfile?
17:43 PilzAdam hmmmmmmmmm
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17:43 PilzAdam sotring variables in the player object (like in Lua entities) is not possible
17:44 telek Ahh okay.
17:44 PilzAdam you can create new files
17:44 PilzAdam and store some tables with all players and their values in it
17:44 * telek nods.
17:44 PilzAdam i did something like this in my beds mod
17:45 telek Guess I'll have to look there then.
17:45 telek Is it possible via script to make a player not take damage and/or mute audio?
17:45 PilzAdam https://github.com/PilzAdam/beds/blob/master/init.lua#L147
17:46 PilzAdam you can modify the settings in minetest.conf via minetest.setting_set() but this will be saved for all worlds
17:47 telek I'm already using seperate conf files with bootscripts :)
17:47 telek Also fyi: valgrind+minetest is fail.
17:48 telek A number of settings outright cause minetest to fail, and a few others cause sanity test crashes on startup (some x/11 list)
17:49 telek Also I'm not sure if it's the animal mod or something else, but it's possible to get the server into a race condition where it'll peg the cpu and proceed to eat up all memory before segfaulting.
17:52 Octupus OldCoder,you got a minute
17:52 OldCoder Octupus, Yes. PM.
17:54 OldCoder I will return in about 15 minutes
17:55 Octupus adios
17:56 telek Is there an official place to get the minetest_game profile? I noticed it's not coming with the git version, but a lot of mods require it now. (I copied it manually out of a 0.4.3 archive, but I don't know if there's a newer version.)
17:56 Calinou https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game
17:56 Calinou https://github.com/celeron55/minetest
17:56 Calinou game and engine respectively
17:56 Calinou clone minetest_game in the "games" folder of the minetest engine
17:57 telek Calinou Ahh thanks!
17:57 Calinou np
18:01 ruskie there... long railway line setup...
18:01 ruskie I think I've used over 500 gravel and over 500 rail tracks
18:02 telek Nice.
18:02 telek How's that new 3d mining cart you can sit in coming?
18:06 ruskie iirc RealBadAngel was working on that and I've ridden in it on his test server
18:06 ruskie which is why I started laying this on europe
18:19 telek ruskie: Awesome.
18:19 telek Oh right. Is there an easy way to check if a chunk is currently loaded and/or intentionally load a chunk via script?
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18:27 thexyz rtfm
18:27 thexyz - get_node(pos)
18:27 thexyz ^ Returns {name="ignore", ...} for unloaded area
18:28 telek thexyz: So then you can't intentionally load a chunk?
18:28 thexyz yep
18:30 telek Why are there both get_node and get_node_or_nil? Don't they basically return the same thing just in incompatible ways?
18:38 telek I've got an odd one for you: I set the visual range all the way down to 0. However a bunch of chunks way off in the distance are staying loaded (ones in front of them as well as around them aren't) Any idea why?
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18:51 Octupus Hi
18:53 babyface1031 hi
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18:53 OdnetninI OldCoder, can you give me build privss in server 30002?
18:53 ruskie well the whole railway is now either surrounded by cobble or terrain and has torches all along
18:54 ruskie OdnetninI, I believe he already did
18:54 OdnetninI I don't have
18:54 OldCoder OdnetninI, I did
18:54 OldCoder OdnetninI, reenter and try now
18:54 OdnetninI ok
18:54 OldCoder I am here for several hours if anybody needs anything
18:54 OldCoder I have suspended work on builds but I hope to resume next week
18:55 OdnetninI Minetest.net, is down no?
18:55 OldCoder Checking
18:55 OldCoder Hmm
18:56 OldCoder Yes
18:56 OldCoder Anybody else there?
18:56 OldCoder We should mirror the forums
18:57 Octupus shud be easy to do
18:57 Octupus just copy the source
18:57 Octupus it shud already have all the topics and such
18:58 OdnetninI Bye
18:58 OdnetninI I have, thanks OldCoder
18:59 Octupus OldCoder,do u mean to make our own minetest forums?
19:00 OldCoder Octupus, not yet
19:00 OldCoder The official ones are fine
19:00 OldCoder What I am thinking...
19:00 OldCoder Is to set up mirrors that kick in if minetest.net goes down
19:00 OldCoder Simply to make the main site more robust
19:00 Octupus O
19:00 OldCoder And better able to withstand problems
19:00 Octupus thts a great idea
19:00 ruskie would need to setup redundancy
19:00 OldCoder ruskie, Correct
19:00 OldCoder No rush for this
19:01 OldCoder But it is part of making the community grow
19:01 OldCoder Forums can use MySQL servers with redundancy
19:01 OldCoder Then any VPS can access them
19:01 OldCoder That should work
19:12 PilzAdam gtg; bye
19:20 thexyz why is minetest.net down?
19:24 Octupus thexyz,god only knows
19:24 thexyz celeron55: why is minetest.net down?
19:24 thexyz Octupus: i'
19:24 thexyz 've asked him
19:25 Octupus Lolz
19:27 OldCoder And God Said Let There Be Test
19:27 OldCoder Of Mines
19:33 Octupus :D
19:35 OldCoder And on the Seventh Day He granted Op
19:35 OldCoder To Adam in world 30000 on eden.god
19:35 Octupus who's adam?
19:35 OldCoder The first Tester
19:36 OldCoder Husband of Lilith and Eve
19:36 Octupus O yea
19:36 Octupus i thought u were talking about a player
19:36 Octupus :)
19:36 OldCoder But he was
19:36 OldCoder He are all Players
19:36 OldCoder We are all Players *
19:36 Octupus he was the first man to be created
19:36 OldCoder Who mine for treasure
19:36 OldCoder That is the story yes
19:37 Octupus and god make him from dirt
19:37 OldCoder Call it Earth
19:37 OldCoder But yes
19:37 OldCoder Clay
19:37 Octupus and when he was sleeping god made a female named eve :)
19:41 OldCoder Yes
19:41 OldCoder A helpmate
19:41 OldCoder They mined together
19:41 OldCoder And found many ores
19:41 OldCoder And it was good
19:42 OldCoder Thus was the first Minetest World formed
19:43 Octupus :)
19:44 ruskie hehe
19:45 ruskie hmm I'll have to make some waterways to get to the actual ocean... only have an inland sea next to me :(
19:47 Octupus Anyone got ideas for my mod?
19:47 ruskie what is it?
19:48 Octupus Octublocks
19:48 Octupus got about 32 blocks on it but no1 appriciates it :l
19:48 ruskie well I don't really use anything like the materials you provide for any build so far
19:49 Octupus k
19:50 ruskie hmm got lucky and found almost an inventory full of clay lumps
19:52 Octupus i think i going to discontinue octublocks
19:54 ruskie why
19:54 ruskie just keep it as is...
19:54 Octupus Because i have more than 32 blocks and no cares about it :l
19:55 ruskie people discover things slowly
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19:55 ruskie they won't just all at once jump on the new blocks
19:55 Octupus well i got a new idea
19:55 OdnetninI it's posible in lua, make a chest with objects inside?
19:56 OdnetninI ?
19:59 Octupus im making a new mod
19:59 OdnetninI great
19:59 OdnetninI , do you now how to make a chest with inside objects in lua?
20:00 OldCoder http://minetest.net/ seems to be back
20:01 OdnetninI OldCoder, do you know how to make it?
20:02 OldCoder Reviewing
20:03 OldCoder OdnetninI, I know how to build and run servers; I can also patch crashes in Lua mods and am learning the other issues. I know only a little about the game internals however.
20:03 OldCoder I intend to learn
20:03 OldCoder I'm committed to this project now
20:05 Octupus I was going to make another electircity mod but that is a bit to complicated
20:05 OdnetninI Yes
20:06 ruskie Octupus, why not just help out RBA with technic?
20:06 OdnetninI Octopus, you can add electrycity plus irc
20:06 OdnetninI it could be fantastic
20:06 Octupus i shoot ideas and ask if i cud help but i think he doesnt need it :)
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20:08 OdnetninI Octopus, do you know how to make chest with objects inside it?
20:09 Octupus no
20:09 Octupus but u cud add an extra few lines to make some objects spawn into a newly crafted chest
20:10 OdnetninI how
20:10 Octupus edit some code
20:10 OdnetninI I can create another type of chest, with this
20:10 ruskie might look at how skyblock does it
20:10 ruskie iirc that produces a reward inside a chest or something
20:13 Octupus its a chest with a different textrue
20:14 Octupus Not very hard to replicate
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20:19 Octupus_ i need help from a pro coder
20:20 OldCoder Hmm?
20:20 OldCoder You rang? :p
20:20 OldCoder Ah
20:20 OldCoder I need to learn MT internals first
20:22 Octupus_ :)
20:22 Octupus_ OldCoder,if some1 is banned can u use there work?
20:24 OldCoder Hmm
20:24 OldCoder Yes and no
20:24 OldCoder Not if the license prohibits it
20:24 OldCoder But most material is
20:25 OldCoder Under a public license
20:25 OldCoder So when cornernote left we could use his mods
20:25 OldCoder But I removed a copy of his website
20:25 OldCoder When he requested this of me
20:25 OldCoder The short answer is yes unless there is a license issue
20:25 Octupus_ O
20:25 Octupus_ He has a Gpl license
20:25 OldCoder You may proceed
20:26 OldCoder GPL is a license
20:26 OldCoder That permits use
20:26 OldCoder GPL = General Public License
20:26 OldCoder Public
20:26 OldCoder Use it
20:26 ruskie most open source licenses permit use... it's distribution that they limit and integrating it with other things
20:26 OldCoder Yes
20:26 OldCoder It varies
20:26 OldCoder MIT/X BSD WTFPL
20:26 Octupus_ i only trying to make a mving entity
20:26 OldCoder are all very open
20:26 OldCoder Use the code for now
20:27 OldCoder I prefer Creative Commons which can be quite open
20:27 OldCoder It depends
20:27 OldCoder Octupus_, what will the GPL code be mixed with
20:27 OldCoder Sometimes GPL dislikes other licenses
20:27 OldCoder They fight
20:27 OldCoder The licenses battle
20:27 Octupus_ only texture and code
20:30 Octupus_ gtg get a nap dont feel to well :(
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20:49 celeron55 minetest.net down? doesn't seem like so
20:51 OldCoder celeron55, See update; it came back
20:51 OldCoder Problem was probably for 15 minutes or so
20:51 * OldCoder shrugs
20:51 OldCoder Outages are normal
20:51 OldCoder Redundancy will help in the future
20:52 celeron55 i can see a break in apache's log from 18:30 to 19:58 UTC
20:52 OldCoder Hmm; 90 minutes?
20:53 OldCoder All right
20:53 celeron55 no idea what the cause is though
20:54 Jordach unix brainfart
20:54 * OldCoder shrugs
20:54 Jordach thats the cause
20:55 Jordach this http://xkcd.com/869/
20:55 OldCoder celeron55, can do an end run around it. Redundant database and front end
20:55 OldCoder Sometime in the future
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20:58 Jordach hey Muadtralk
20:58 Muadtralk hello
20:59 Jordach i've dissapeared almost permanently from the forums
20:59 Muadtralk cool
20:59 Jordach i've just got bored of minetest
20:59 Muadtralk ignoring the post you made today?
20:59 Jordach sometimes i just give up now, i want content.
21:00 Jordach not a barely working mod with little content
21:00 NakedFury have you seen all that was added for mc 1.4?
21:00 Jordach yes
21:00 Jordach i have 1.4.4
21:00 Jordach i even ported my textures
21:00 Jordach (64dots)
21:00 NakedFury lots of new stuff
21:01 Jordach i made a preset (flatland) just to make a underwater city
21:03 NakedFury sucks how they havent added natural support for 32x and up textures
21:03 Jordach actually therye making their own renderer
21:03 Jordach so it supports any res
21:06 Jordach anyways, night all
21:06 * Jordach pokes both OldCoder and VanessaE with a stick
21:07 OldCoder Night
21:07 RealBadAngel hi all
21:10 OldCoder RealBadAngel, Hi!
21:12 RealBadAngel howdy?
21:13 OldCoder Indeed
21:13 RealBadAngel im just for a moment, had a very long day, were away from 5am till 10pm
21:13 OldCoder Rest then
21:13 RealBadAngel just came to say hello
21:15 RealBadAngel can see jordach becomes another person bored by things not going well in minetest
21:15 OldCoder Things are going well
21:15 OldCoder In general
21:16 RealBadAngel better, indeed
21:16 RealBadAngel but in general not fast
21:16 OldCoder Life sometimes takes twists and turns
21:16 OldCoder People must be patient if it is generally forward
21:16 RealBadAngel i know
21:16 RealBadAngel patience comes with age in general
21:17 RealBadAngel not all minetesters already have such virtue
21:17 RealBadAngel younger gets bored sooner
21:18 * OldCoder shrugs
21:18 OldCoder RealBadAngel, Is it your responsibility to entertain?
21:18 OldCoder Or to instruct and to proceed as you see fit?
21:18 OldCoder The answer is the latter
21:18 OldCoder Proceed as you know is right
21:18 OldCoder Let the rest go
21:19 OldCoder The goals are yours
21:19 OldCoder To enjoy the process and to build what you wish to build
21:19 OldCoder An impressive framework and worlds that come from it
21:19 OldCoder You are an artist
21:19 OldCoder Therefore, let there be art!
21:19 OldCoder :-)
21:20 RealBadAngel nah, im not an artist
21:20 RealBadAngel i just do what i like
21:21 RealBadAngel sadly i dont have much time for it lately
21:23 OldCoder RealBadAngel, It is fine
21:23 OldCoder RealBadAngel, It is part of your life and not the whole
21:23 OldCoder Life is about balancing and integrating different parts
21:24 RealBadAngel like today it took a bit too much
21:24 RealBadAngel 15hrs at work made me just deadly tired
21:24 OldCoder Then
21:24 OldCoder Rest
21:24 OldCoder Music, videos
21:24 OldCoder Reading
21:24 OldCoder Pour a glass of wine
21:24 OldCoder Relax, read
21:24 RealBadAngel just sleep
21:25 OldCoder Sleep is good
21:25 OldCoder Relax for 10 minutes first
21:25 OldCoder Shift your frame of mind
21:25 RealBadAngel in 7 hrs i need to wake up
21:25 RealBadAngel and go to work again
21:26 OldCoder Then best sleep now
21:26 OldCoder Without delay
21:26 RealBadAngel shit, in 6 in fact :)
21:26 OldCoder Good night
21:26 OldCoder Away!
21:26 OldCoder :-)
21:26 RealBadAngel heheh
21:26 OldCoder c u
21:26 RealBadAngel not so fast, got a half of beer
21:27 OldCoder So
21:27 OldCoder Relax after all
21:27 OldCoder Beer is Here
21:27 OldCoder Beer is Not to Fear
21:27 RealBadAngel i do
21:27 OldCoder Beer is Near and Dear
21:27 OldCoder Beer has no Peer
21:27 RealBadAngel and makes you sleep my Dear
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21:28 RealBadAngel hehehe
21:29 OldCoder Indeed
21:29 OldCoder Beer is Shear
21:29 OldCoder Delight
21:29 OldCoder !
21:29 * OldCoder has not had a beer for months
21:29 OldCoder *Sheer
21:29 OldCoder Damn typos
21:29 RealBadAngel after work? best solution to sleep in no time
21:30 OldCoder As you wish
21:30 OldCoder But
21:30 OldCoder You said there is half a beer
21:30 RealBadAngel one fourth
21:30 OldCoder And by now perhaps 1/8
21:30 RealBadAngel i do actualy drinki it
21:32 RealBadAngel wonder just what night shift will make again with my machine
21:33 RealBadAngel theyre just genios when it comes to break it
21:33 OldCoder Life is half expectation and curiosity
21:33 OldCoder Wait and see
21:34 RealBadAngel its a machine to make PVC granules
21:35 RealBadAngel you put therere some bags, folies and get granules
21:35 RealBadAngel last night they threw in a bottle
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21:37 RealBadAngel PET material needs circa 80celsius degrees more to melt
21:37 RealBadAngel they jammed the machine
21:38 RealBadAngel with one single PET bottle they caused losses of circa 2 tones of product
21:39 RealBadAngel not counting new head, knives, filters, etc
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21:40 OldCoder Doc22, iqualfragile wb
21:41 Doc22 thanks
21:41 iqualfragile hi oldcoder
21:41 Doc22 hai
21:41 RealBadAngel hi
21:41 Doc22 hello
21:41 RealBadAngel beer is gone, bed is yellin at me
21:41 Doc22 are the forums up yet?
21:41 Doc22 lol
21:41 RealBadAngel cya tommorow
21:42 Doc22 cya
21:42 Doc22 oh yeah they are
21:45 OldCoder RealBadAngel, good night
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22:05 Doc22 http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3741
22:05 Doc22 my new mod
22:05 Doc22 chains mod
22:05 GloopMaster cool
22:05 Doc22 thanks
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22:06 GloopMaster hello Uberi
22:06 Doc22 hola
22:07 Uberi hey
22:07 Uberi OldCoder: I found the issue btw
22:07 Uberi the we saves themselves are incomplete
22:19 OldCoder Uberi, we saves? or wemsaves ?
22:19 OldCoder //savemeta does wem
22:19 Doc22 putting modpack.txt in a mod folder means it will load mods from subfolders right
22:19 OldCoder If wem is part of this it is good news
22:19 OldCoder Doc22, yes IIRC
22:19 Doc22 and it has to be empty
22:19 Doc22 ok
22:20 Uberi OldCoder: both, as far as I can tell
22:21 Uberi the missing chunks you describe are missing from the files themselves
22:21 OldCoder Uberi, this is good news. Any changes will be well tested
22:22 Uberi hmm, OldCoder?
22:22 OldCoder Yes?
22:23 Uberi I'm not sure I understood you
22:23 OldCoder If you make any fixes
22:23 OldCoder The fixes will be tested
22:23 Taoki Important announcement: The models branch now has animated 3D players, with animations for standing walking (4 animations for forward, backward, left and right) as well as punching / mining. Also, it's fully compatible with MineCraft skins, so you can use your favorite player customization from MC! Next we need someone good with lua to make the functions for using animations accordingly.
22:23 Taoki http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=52146#p52146
22:23 OldCoder Hmm
22:23 OldCoder R
22:24 OldCoder Impressive
22:24 Taoki Thanks
22:25 Taoki Not sure if the arms and legs bending this way looks really ok though. As if they're bent too much, they also tend to shrink
22:25 Uberi good job Taoki!
22:25 Taoki thanks :)
22:26 OldCoder Taoki, Refinements can be done over time
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22:26 Taoki yeah
22:26 OldCoder Don't be concerned about minor issues
22:26 OldCoder It's a major step
22:26 Taoki http://i50.tinypic.com/35kvrro.png More screenshots in the topic (this is the default MineCraft skin but I'm only using it for testing locally)
22:28 OldCoder Taoki, I assume higher resolution skins will be possible
22:28 OldCoder In time if not immediately
22:28 Taoki OldCoder: Normally yes, they should
22:28 Taoki But the same areas of the texture are used as in MC
22:28 Taoki Most surely should be however
22:28 OldCoder k
22:33 VanessaE Taoki: see my post on the related forum thread :-)
22:33 VanessaE (and yes, the bent arms/knees is good as long as the movement looks good - got a youtube video of it in action?)
22:33 VanessaE also hi/
22:35 OldCoder http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/circus_cat.gif
22:35 OldCoder ^ Funny
22:36 VanessaE cute
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22:36 Octupus Hi
22:38 Taoki Seen, thanks
22:38 telek Taoki: Is it a static mesh definition or can you replace the meshes via scripting?
22:38 Taoki telek: Everything is set via scripting
22:38 telek Sweet.
22:38 VanessaE c55 will like that
22:38 Taoki Only the code to apply meshes with Irrlicht is hard-coded
22:38 Taoki :)
22:38 telek How dynamic is it?
22:38 VanessaE he did say he wanted it to be possible to easily make models that don't look like MC
22:39 telek IE can you change meshes in the server dir, force an update, and have the changes propagate to the clients?
22:41 Taoki telek: Yes. If the server has a mesh the file is streamed to clients. lua script decides when meshes are applied for anything
22:41 telek Weird.
22:42 telek I assumed it was somewhat fixed after initialization, since I was getting texture corruption with the player skins a while back (without mods it was occasionally replacing the player texture with flower textures from the nature(?) mod)
22:42 Taoki Why? That's all intended and good
22:42 telek Erm default player skin
22:42 Taoki ah
22:43 telek Well neat then.
22:44 telek Oh I was asking the other day: Has anyone used sproxel, and figured out how close the csv export is to the format minetest uses?
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22:55 VanessaE bbl
22:56 * telek waves!
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23:10 NakedFury just saw the 3d announcement
23:10 NakedFury good news and awesome too
23:15 telek Quite.
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23:23 Octupus Hi M13
23:24 M13 hey
23:31 Octupus M13,PM please
23:31 M13 ok
23:44 Octupus i look like spiderman woot
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23:47 Octupus Hi Doc
23:48 Doc22 hey
23:49 Doc22 i posted mah mod
23:49 Doc22 here it is: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3741
23:50 telek Doc22: Nice.
23:50 Doc22 thanks
23:53 Octupus Great
23:53 Doc22 thanks octu
23:53 telek Also: Which mod added all those draping vines?
23:53 Octupus mp :)
23:53 Doc22 wanna play with me on a server
23:53 Doc22 it was vines od
23:53 Doc22 mod
23:53 Doc22 lemme look it up
23:53 telek The ones hanging off trees and everything else?
23:54 Doc22 http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=minetest%20vines%20mod&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;cad=rja&amp;ved=0CDAQFjAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fminetest.net%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fid%3D2344&amp;ei=FS-kUPasHomuqQH674HoBQ&amp;usg=AFQjCNE4P3xQ2HzvlJbrXApcTsM1TMw2TA
23:54 Octupus if u want it on the server ask OC
23:54 Doc22 here ya go
23:54 Doc22 is that it?
23:54 telek Because the old vines mod is the one that used to go up in the air.
23:54 Doc22 hmmm
23:54 Doc22 im not familiar
23:54 Doc22 i just joined about a month ago
23:54 Doc22 lol
23:54 Doc22 octu
23:54 Doc22 and telec
23:54 Doc22 telek *
23:55 Doc22 wanna come on my server
23:55 Doc22 i can add mods
23:55 Doc22 tell me what mods you like to play with

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