Time Nick Message 00:06 Octupus ok 00:06 Octupus im not using those so 00:06 OldCoder k 00:07 hmmmm hmm 00:42 * NekoGloop punches someone 01:08 * NekoGloop kicks the channel for signs of lif 01:10 * RealBadAngel kicks NekoGloop back 01:11 * NekoGloop punches rba's jaw 01:11 * RealBadAngel takes the jaw, fixes it back, and bites poor kitty 01:12 RealBadAngel WOOF 01:12 OldCoder RealBadAngel, be nice 01:12 OldCoder Do chew on the kitty 01:12 OldCoder No 01:12 OldCoder I mean! 01:12 OldCoder DON'T 01:12 OldCoder chew on the kitty 01:12 * OldCoder laughs 01:12 * NekoGloop teleports away 01:12 * OldCoder offers virtual chew toy instead 01:12 RealBadAngel hehehe 01:13 OldCoder I miss my dog and my cat 01:13 OldCoder both 01:13 OldCoder they got along together 01:13 OldCoder dog can have chew toy instead of chew 01:13 OldCoder more durable 01:13 OldCoder kitty won't last as long 01:14 RealBadAngel my kitty is sleepin rite now on my bed 01:15 OldCoder Very well 01:15 * NekoGloop cautiously pets RealBadAngel 01:15 RealBadAngel woof? 01:15 * NekoGloop cuddles puppy~ :3 01:16 OldCoder Might be pushing it 01:16 RealBadAngel wheres the bone you kitty you 01:16 OldCoder Well 01:16 * NekoGloop takes out the bone he was hiding in his back pocket and puts it in front of RealBadAngel 01:16 * mrtux peeks through the ceiling 01:16 RealBadAngel now better 01:17 * RealBadAngel takes the bon 01:17 RealBadAngel e 01:17 RealBadAngel btw im not quite sure ive hit a bug in inv or it is just me tired 01:18 RealBadAngel if not inv:is_empty("slot1") then 01:18 RealBadAngel stack1=inv:get_list("slot1") 01:18 RealBadAngel print(dump(stack1:get_name())) 01:18 RealBadAngel node_to_be_placed={name=stack1:get_name(), param1=0, param2=node.param2} 01:18 * NekoGloop wonders if RealBadAngel is partly human like me? 01:18 RealBadAngel it throws me an error when tryin to call get_name() 01:19 OldCoder No idea but worth noting 01:19 * NekoGloop wonders if realbadangel is partly human, like me? 01:19 RealBadAngel im a cyborg you miserably mammal :P 01:19 NekoGloop Haha. 01:20 NekoGloop No wonder you can fuck with lua so well 01:20 RealBadAngel lol 01:20 RealBadAngel my kitty just woke up 01:21 RealBadAngel and "meow meow", she want to get out for a walk 01:21 NekoGloop Meow meow~ 01:21 RealBadAngel shes insane, 3:20 am 01:21 OldCoder Cats are flexible about things 01:21 RealBadAngel i have to let her out 01:21 OldCoder Like human time conventions 01:22 NekoGloop Cats tend to not care about whether it is dark or light. 01:22 OldCoder Indeed 01:22 NekoGloop Due to the way their eyes work. 01:22 OldCoder They don't know you can't see them 01:22 OldCoder So possible to trip over cat at night 01:22 RealBadAngel shes out 01:23 NekoGloop Also they dont care about temperature. Only what we call extremes are even an effect on a cat's behaviour. 01:26 RealBadAngel i known the cat that used to sleep in the archaic coal driven furnace 01:26 RealBadAngel it was cooked once by accident 01:27 RealBadAngel neighbours have once forgotten he used to hide there 01:27 RealBadAngel started to cook something 01:27 RealBadAngel and cooked the cat at the same time 01:33 RealBadAngel i hate the lua 01:33 RealBadAngel it had to be indexed lol 01:33 RealBadAngel one element table had to be indexed 01:34 RealBadAngel what moron made it??? 01:35 RealBadAngel shit, ive spent 2 hours chasing why it wont work 01:36 RealBadAngel LUA, if you had an ass, i would like to kick it badly 01:45 RealBadAngel it looks like learning LUA nuances is a neverending process 01:45 RealBadAngel more i know, more "flowers" i find 01:48 OldCoder flowers are colorful 01:50 RealBadAngel at least when you find out the solution it gives you nice feeling 01:50 RealBadAngel named "i got ya, you bastard!" 01:51 RealBadAngel rest of coding the constructor is easy 01:51 RealBadAngel now im just copy/pasting the sections 01:52 RealBadAngel and thinkin bout possible usage for it 01:53 RealBadAngel huge doors i knew 01:54 RealBadAngel one constructor can deploy 3 nodes in front of it, at least MK3 model 01:56 RealBadAngel push up bridges can be possible then also 01:56 RealBadAngel pair of constructors can build 6 nodes wide 01:57 RealBadAngel enough to make bridge over the lava lake for example 02:03 RealBadAngel im goin afk 02:03 RealBadAngel need to sleep a bit 02:03 RealBadAngel cya gys 02:03 RealBadAngel *guys 02:19 T_A_N_K should i continue fancy game mode? 02:27 Muadtralk yes 02:27 Muadtralk a thousand times yes 02:28 T_A_N_K minetest just has some severe limitations, like for instance, i cannot even create custom placenode sounds in lua, because i read the c++ and it is set to use the default_place_node.ogg file instead of from the lua 02:28 T_A_N_K okay, finally someone seems interested in it 02:29 T_A_N_K I have a work around for it, but being the one who knows how it works, it just seems..cheap 02:33 OldCoder Octupus, T_A_N_K, Muadtralk wb 02:33 T_A_N_K ty 02:35 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb-vocFjsqE&feature=youtu.be 02:37 harrison voxel raytracer film 02:39 harrison http://spasim.org/wordpress/?page_id=17 02:45 T_A_N_K also why does only +1 on the y axis contain inertia? 02:45 T_A_N_K It should be the same for + and - on the x and y too 02:45 T_A_N_K x and z* 02:46 T_A_N_K It just makes the game feel very static 02:50 harrison you are speaking of the film? i used the word "inertia" incorrectly 02:50 harrison i meant "friction" or such - i.e. one slows down 02:50 T_A_N_K I'm talking about minetest 02:51 harrison nvm then 02:51 harrison srry please continue 02:53 T_A_N_K Like, why are commits not getting pushed? This game can be so much more polished than minecraft and i actually just stopped playing technic to come play minecraft and this game feels and performs very unpolished 02:57 T_A_N_K There should be an api for entities to be mounted to a single point 02:57 T_A_N_K like have an entity in the middle, which acts as the physical point of a mob, or car, or train or whatever, then mount entities which are not physical to that point, this could create animated mobs. 03:04 NakedFury technic fan? 03:04 T_A_N_K yes, i've already created trains and breeded horses and a lot of other things 03:05 NakedFury relabadangel is making a minetest technic 03:05 NekoGloop He knows this? 03:06 T_A_N_K technic is already in my fancy game mode 03:09 OldCoder T_A_N_K, I am merging patches now but that is just a stopgap measure 03:13 NakedFury who uses ipad irc? can you tell me the name? 03:13 T_A_N_K ipad irc 03:13 NekoGloop Colloquy 03:13 T_A_N_K LOL 03:13 NekoGloop Using it right now 03:14 NakedFury colloquy, paid?? 03:14 NekoGloop No? 03:15 NakedFury I downloaded irc999 but that damn thing only gives a real_client_error 03:15 NekoGloop Yup. 03:15 NekoGloop Because it's not a real client 03:16 NakedFury do you have a browser that plays flash videos too? 03:16 NekoGloop Safari. 03:18 NakedFury the stock browser????????? 03:18 NekoGloop Yes. 03:22 NakedFury that browser sucks. cant watch flash videos on it 03:22 NakedFury cant wait for jailbrake of v6 03:22 NekoGloop Try google 03:27 NakedFury need 3 monitors: 1 game, 1 irc, 1 hulu/netflix/videos 03:37 NekoGloop I smell like charcoal 03:40 NekoGloop I went to a bonfire earlier 05:11 M13 Hello 05:16 OldCoder Hello 05:32 anunakki hmm what mod are granite and marble in? 05:32 OldCoder anunakki, hey 05:32 OldCoder om 05:33 OldCoder technic granite 05:33 OldCoder multiple for marble 05:33 anunakki i see 05:33 anunakki ty 05:33 OldCoder forniture and technic 05:33 OldCoder I am asleep now 08:12 Jordach hey guys 08:22 Jordach RealBadAngel_, morning 08:52 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 08:56 RealBadAngel_ hi 09:07 Jordach hey Adam 09:08 PilzAdam sup Jordach 10:10 PilzAdam how hard would it be to change the mapgen so that you can define different aliases for different biomes in lua? 10:12 Taoki PilzAdam: Unfortunately that's not possible yet. I'm still eagerly waiting for it too 10:12 Taoki Biomes and some blocks like dirt, sand, etc. are still hard-coded, and eventually all will become LUA 10:13 PilzAdam thats why im asking how hard would it be to code 10:13 Calinou Taoki: lua mapgen is slow 10:13 Taoki Don't know sadly. I'm kinda bad with the code 10:13 Taoki Calinou: Can't anything be done about it though? It's still much better than leaving hard coded biomes inside 10:13 Calinou the mapgen's "core" needs to be done in C++, while the "details" should be done in lua (already done!), but minetest.conf should be able to tweak "core" mapgen settings (not done) 10:13 Taoki oh nice 10:13 Calinou sea level, lava level, noise intensity and so on 10:14 Taoki Yes, I didn't mean to fully code all of the mapgen in LUA. But not leave any blocks, shapes or biomes hard coded 10:14 Calinou only two blocks are hardcoded: air and ignore 10:14 PilzAdam Taoki, its Lua not LUA 10:14 Taoki Sory, bad habbit 10:14 Jordach i'd have minetest.register_biome("", "", "tree_types") 10:14 Taoki Calinou: Really? So biomes are already Lua-side? 10:14 PilzAdam Calinou, wrong 10:14 Calinou Jordach: how do you define the location where the biome will be generated? 10:15 Calinou PilzAdam: not really actually, yes 10:15 Jordach Calinou, the engine will work it out 10:15 Calinou Taoki: no 10:15 Calinou you can use aliases to override mapgen stuff 10:15 Calinou eg. replace all water with lava 10:15 Calinou mapgen.lua in default mod :) 10:15 Taoki I am a bit confused 10:15 Taoki Calinou: But doesn't a lua script itself decide where wated appears? 10:16 Calinou nope, it's all C++, because mapgen needs to be fast 10:16 Calinou and it still needs to be optimized, too :P 10:16 Taoki ok. 10:16 PilzAdam Calinou, saplings, tree, leaves, dirt and dirt_with grass are not defined in the engine but the amb's for growing etc. read them 10:16 PilzAdam thats why i had to code them in my minimal game 10:16 Taoki That's the type of behavior I'm hoping will be de-hardcoded. So Lua decides where water spawns for instance, but C++ decides on the patterns and whatever needs to be fast 10:17 jin_xi actually they are in mapgen cpp but #if 0 'ed out 10:17 Calinou grass growth is in C++ apparently 10:17 Calinou I wonder how it works since dirt and grass are defined with lua 10:17 PilzAdam also sapling growing 10:17 PilzAdam they use default:dirt 10:17 Calinou these both need to be re-made in lua 10:17 PilzAdam thats why minimal:dirt doesnt worl 10:17 PilzAdam *work 10:18 PilzAdam https://github.com/PilzAdam/minimal/blob/master/mods/minimal/init.lua#L354 10:18 PilzAdam https://github.com/PilzAdam/minimal/blob/master/mods/minimal/init.lua#L983 10:18 Taoki Calinou: What I'm unclear about is. Firstly, are the nodes / block types for dirt, water and all these defined in LUA? Can users already create their own custom types of dirt, sand, water, lava, anything? 10:18 PilzAdam and 10:18 PilzAdam https://github.com/PilzAdam/minimal/blob/master/mods/minimal/init.lua#L860 10:18 Calinou all the nodes are defined in lua 10:18 Calinou Taoki: yes you can 10:18 Taoki Oh, that's a good part then 10:19 PilzAdam IMO the best solution is: define different aliases for different biomes in lua 10:19 Jordach Taoki, minetest-delta is long dead 10:19 PilzAdam so the engine still creates the biomes 10:19 Taoki Calinou: So, if only the patterns and mapgen code are C++ (which makes most sense I believe), why can't users make their own biomes yet? Can't they define different block types and areas, and have the mapgen handle it? 10:19 PilzAdam but lua can set the biomes 10:19 Taoki PilzAdam: Agreed 10:20 Jordach wait wait wait 10:20 Taoki As in, just hard-code the code to generate the patterns and all, but let LUA define the biomes and patterrn properties 10:20 Jordach what if we want a snow biome with snow layers? 10:20 Taoki That too 10:21 PilzAdam Jordach, the engine could define a node above grass level and the default biome sets it to air? 10:21 Jordach it should be: minetest.register_biome("", "", "", "", "") 10:22 PilzAdam + "tree", "leaves") 10:22 Calinou Jordach: there's a snow mod already 10:22 Taoki Yeah, looking in mapgen.lua I'm seeing an issue. Biomes are indeed hard-coded. You just define aliases as block replacements 10:22 Calinou Jordach: biome name is needed too 10:22 Calinou eg. you want to generate something other than clay in that biome and no cactus 10:22 PilzAdam Jordach, + "above water") 10:22 Taoki desert_sand and desert_stone even are aliases. Not a good idea at all UMO 10:22 Taoki *IMO 10:22 Jordach PilzAdam, you can develop on that 10:22 Jordach Calinou, didnt think of that 10:23 PilzAdam Jordach, i dont know c++, only c 10:23 Taoki I'd rather the user defines a world generator node, and patterns of how and where it spawns. Then the c++ code makes use of that. 10:23 PilzAdam i can only read it 10:23 Jordach PilzAdam, most of minetest is c anyway 10:23 Calinou what Jordach said 10:23 Calinou and C++ is an extension of C 10:24 Calinou somehow 10:24 Jordach LUA is the OOP side anyway 10:24 Calinou since when lua is OOP? 10:24 Jordach because interpreted 10:24 PilzAdam btw: it is Lua and not Lua or lua 10:24 Calinou read OOP backwards 10:24 Jordach POOP# 10:24 Calinou PilzAdam: lua is better than LUA 10:24 PilzAdam but Lua is best 10:30 Taoki Yeah, hope someone can tweak the biome code a bit and de-hardcode all those aliases, so users can choose the generation pattern and their own biomes 10:30 Taoki While indeed keeping the code C++ 10:33 Taoki Anyway, isn't there any large server at all for MineTest? I can't find one in the slightest 10:34 Jordach minetest.org : 30000 10:35 Taoki Tried that one, barely downloading any of the media data 10:35 Taoki Also set a bad password at first login and now I can't change it any more 10:36 Jordach ask OldCoder to remove your player file 10:45 RealBadAngel_ Taoki if youre from europe then try europe.minetest.org:30000 10:45 Taoki RealBadAngel_: I am. Thanks, will try that 10:45 RealBadAngel_ be patient when loading for the 1st time 10:45 RealBadAngel_ ambience mod is here 10:45 Taoki ok. What's that mod do BTW? 10:46 RealBadAngel_ music and sounds 10:46 Taoki wonderful :D 10:46 RealBadAngel_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHXfBM3M4Yw&feature=youtu.be 10:46 Taoki Nice, I can also use a good password again 10:46 * Jordach suggests Taoki is English 10:47 RealBadAngel_ ive finished coding Constructor 10:47 Taoki I'm from Romania 10:47 Jordach your English says otherwise 10:47 Taoki RealBadAngel_: Ah yes, mesecons :) I think that mod should also be merged 10:47 Taoki Jordach: Thanks :D I'm not that good at voice talking but I guess I can write well enough 10:48 Jordach if i end up hosting a minetest mumble, then ill start doing english classes 10:49 * Taoki is totally suggesting OldCoder to add the mesecons mod to his version 10:50 Taoki RealBadAngel_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p35e3ZCdDVU Really love this! About time... hope it's one of the first changes to bet merged 10:51 RealBadAngel_ theres a build already with it 10:52 RealBadAngel_ http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.3-25cf375-extrafilters_chkbox-win32.7z 10:52 Taoki nice 10:55 Taoki ok, connected. The minetest.org server is pretty fantastic :) 11:32 Taoki Trying out the europe.minetest.org server. The mods there are plainly awesome! I hope someone makes a custom MineTest game with this 11:38 Jordach Taoki, the build OldCoder produces has those mods pre-installed as minetest_game 11:38 * Taoki totally approves 11:38 * Jordach heads off into Aperture Science 12:20 * Jordach is bored 12:24 Jordach sfan5, this should be merged into his other thread: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3457 12:26 Jordach anyone playing on europe.minetest.org right now> 12:28 Jordach Taoki, are you signed into minetest.org atm? 12:28 Taoki Jordach: europe.minetest.org 12:28 Jordach thats what i meant 12:29 Taoki yeah 13:04 Jordach RealBadAngel_, i just found 16 diamonds in 6 chunks and died due to lava 13:04 RealBadAngel_ nice :) 13:05 RealBadAngel_ and im sitting and doing textures for constructors 13:21 RealBadAngel_ 15 textures ready, 10 more to make 13:26 Taoki RealBadAngel_: Where can I build a house around your area? Would rather not make it far cuz there are few people as is and it gets boring :P 13:26 RealBadAngel_ Taoki, hold on, i will connect in a few minutes 13:27 Taoki ok 13:27 * Jordach has 31 diamonds 13:30 Taoki Also, is there some menu or command to see a list of all active players? 13:30 Jordach ./status 13:32 OldCoder Hello 13:32 Jordach hello OldCoder 13:32 Taoki hiii 13:32 OldCoder Taoki, Jordach, RealBadAngel_ A new Debian DEB for Wheezy is posted 13:32 Taoki OldCoder: Just logged into your minecraft.org server today. It's truly awesome :D 13:32 OldCoder Oh 13:32 OldCoder ty 13:32 OldCoder Try the DEB as I need to test it 13:33 Taoki OldCoder: NP. Please delete my user file on minecraft.org however (NOT europe.minecraft.org). I wrote a bad password at login and need to change it 13:33 Taoki OldCoder: Link? 13:33 Taoki Ah, and my user name is MirceaKitsune 13:33 OldCoder Taoki, proceeding to delete now. And link is: 13:34 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/mineinfo.html 13:34 OldCoder See section 2 13:34 Taoki OldCoder: Got the file. Now, to remember how I unpack deb packages on a rpm-based distro... 13:34 OldCoder Oh 13:34 OldCoder Don't 13:34 OldCoder I will prepare a new RPM 13:35 Taoki ok, sure then 13:35 OldCoder What is your distro again, please? 13:35 Taoki openSUSE 12.2 64bit KDE 4.8.5 13:35 OldCoder k 13:35 OldCoder It may take a few days 13:35 Taoki eh... I'd rather unpack the deb until then 13:36 OldCoder OK If it works 13:36 OldCoder Taoki, in 30000 you are deleted but do I need to restart the server? 13:36 Taoki Dunno, I'll check soon 13:37 Taoki ok I don't have alien, and deb packages use debian binaries. So yeah, I have to wait 13:38 OldCoder Taoki, indicate if server needs to restart so you can get in 13:38 Taoki OldCoder: Still says my password is invalid, so i think restart is needed 13:38 OldCoder Restarting server 13:40 OldCoder Restarted 13:40 OldCoder Taoki, try now 13:40 Taoki Working, thanks 13:40 Taoki OldCoder: On that page I'm seeing a build for Fedora as well. Am I correct? Theoretically that one might and should work 13:41 OldCoder Taoki, One moment 13:41 Taoki As Fedora is RPM based like openSUSE 13:41 * OldCoder is writing 13:41 Taoki sure 13:43 OldCoder Taoki, you're invited to try that build now. However, RPM distros are very poor distros in general. No offense is intended. My notes show I had problems with that one and it predates recent changes. It may not be worth your time. Proceed but also do this: 13:43 OldCoder Give me a link to the ISO that you used to install your own distro. 13:43 Taoki OldCoder: That's ok. I'm still net wo Linux, but openSUSE is very good for me, and doesn't seem poor at all. IIRC it's actually one of the best distros, after Ubuntu 13:44 Taoki Just a sec 13:44 OldCoder Taoki, to be clear, poor from a structural perspective. 13:44 OldCoder Building and maintaining software. 13:44 Taoki I see. Compared to Windows, it's actually a lot easier for me. But I never tried any deb distros 13:44 Taoki And the link is: http://software.opensuse.org/122/en 13:44 Taoki Make sure to select the 64bit version, and bittorrent is best way to get 13:45 OldCoder Taoki, if you are curious, do this later: Compare the build instructions for CentOS and Debian 13:45 OldCoder Taoki, I don't have a 64 bit system 13:45 Taoki ok 13:45 Jordach Taoki, Ubuntu a GOOD Distro 13:45 Jordach pah# 13:45 OldCoder If I build this I may need to build 32 bit 13:45 Taoki I'm planning to learn Ubuntu as well for knowledge. But I'll only install it on a VM 13:45 OldCoder Taoki, try to log into server now 13:45 Taoki OldCoder: Already there 13:45 OldCoder Taoki, glad to hear it 13:46 Taoki yeah. Near spawn but not seeing much. I think europe.minetest.org is better for me, but I'm on both so it's all good 13:46 Jordach RealBadAngel_, how do we make red dye on europe.minetest.org 13:47 RealBadAngel_ have no glue :) 13:47 RealBadAngel_ for what you need it? 13:47 Jordach diamond DRILL HEAD CRAFTED 13:48 OldCoder 13:48 RealBadAngel_ use unified dyes red 13:48 OldCoder Taoki, would you like to build the latest MT yourself? I can write detailed instructions 13:48 RealBadAngel_ the recepture accepts both kind of dyes 13:48 Taoki OldCoder: I can try. I already build it fine from GIT, but setting up make and cmake can get difficult sometimes 13:49 OldCoder Taoki, If you are serious I will spend about half an hour now on the instructions 13:49 Taoki But sure, post the source and I can try. Just asking that it has cmakelists.txt ready please :P 13:49 Taoki I am interested in getting it to work, sure 13:49 OldCoder Taoki, this will take me half an hour or more. Are you serious, then? 13:49 OldCoder All right 13:49 Taoki Just afraid of a "build nightmare" is all 13:49 Taoki sure 13:49 OldCoder Taoki, I don't even have your distro so the nightmare is more on my side :-) 13:49 Taoki I still use MT primarily from GIT, but I would like to build and test from your source too 13:50 OldCoder Taoki, I will write instructions 13:50 Taoki OldCoder: If cmake is there, does the source need any special instructions for each distro? 13:50 OldCoder Yes 13:50 OldCoder Very much so 13:50 OldCoder Do as I suggested above... 13:50 Taoki Fir the GIt version, no distro-specific stuff was needed. Just ran cmake than make and it works 13:50 OldCoder Compare the CentOS and Debian instructions on my site 13:51 OldCoder I will write instructions for you now 13:51 Taoki Ah, I mistead that. I'll look for that 13:51 OldCoder Taoki, wait a while if you wish. I am proceeding now to write. 13:52 Taoki OldCoder: BTW: If it's instructions on how to get the packages, I don't need that here. If there are dependencies I only need to know the package names, Yast makes it very easy to install them 13:52 OldCoder Taoki, It is not that simple. Allow me to write now. 13:53 Taoki OldCoder: Also, when you have some free time, maybe you can try openSUSE out. I'm curious if you think it's bad after trying it out specifically. Since for me it's the only distro I like, and I consider it nearly as good as Windows in both terms of looks and functionality. 13:53 Taoki Sure, sorry if I'm highlighting you too much 13:54 OldCoder Taoki, I have used Linux since the start. I do not mind highlighting. 13:54 OldCoder Taoki, SUSE is MS-Linux 13:54 Taoki ok. And nice :) 13:54 OldCoder Taoki, SUSE is Microsoft's attempt to destroy Open Source 13:54 Taoki oh? 13:54 OldCoder Yes 13:54 Taoki Never heard that story 13:54 OldCoder I have dealt with the issue for a a decade now 13:54 OldCoder They have an interesting plan 13:55 OldCoder I keep running into it 13:55 OldCoder *a decade now 13:55 Taoki openSUSE is community driven. Nothing related to Microsoft either 13:55 OldCoder They are doing an end run around everything 13:55 OldCoder Not actually true 13:55 OldCoder I repeat, I deal with this in real life 13:55 OldCoder It has affected my career 13:55 Taoki interesting 13:55 OldCoder Yes 13:55 OldCoder Writing instructions for you now 13:56 OldCoder This will take 30 to 60 minutes; possibly a bit longer 13:56 Taoki I hope nothing bad will happen x.x openSUSE is the only distro I like and I don't want to ever have to switch to another 13:56 Taoki ok 13:56 OldCoder Taoki, You do not need to switch 13:56 Taoki Yes, I mean if Microsoft does anything bad to it 13:56 OldCoder Distros are like text editors. A matter of personal preference 13:56 OldCoder MS intends it to be a success 13:57 OldCoder The commercial version at any rate 13:57 Taoki Ah yes, I don't use or care about SUSE, just openSUSE 13:57 OldCoder Taoki, I am writing now 13:57 Taoki They're two different projects. SUSE split into them some years ago 13:57 FreeFull Jordach: Can I have build privs then? =P 13:58 FreeFull Thanks 13:58 OldCoder Taoki, Is there no feed from upstream? 13:58 Taoki OldCoder: If you meant the commerial SUSE, I can understand. If it's a commercial company project there's probably a lot of battle with Microsoft. openSUSE is a fully different story 13:58 Taoki OldCoder: What do you mean? 13:58 OldCoder Taoki, Is there no feed from upstream? 13:59 OldCoder Oh 13:59 OldCoder Are you saying there is no sync between the two projects? 13:59 Taoki Ah, that I don't know. No idea, never asked. But openSUSE only comes with free open-source software by default, that many distros do too I think 14:00 Taoki And Yast, which is the suse-specific system tool. Very very useful 14:00 OldCoder I see. There is probably some sync. 14:00 OldCoder Taoki, I am writing for you now 14:00 Taoki Otherwise I think openSUSE is like all other good distros. Just its own bundle with selected packages 14:00 OldCoder Give me a while 14:00 Taoki sure 14:01 Jordach apparently my ports wont work if minetest is open 14:02 Jordach omg, opera's web browser has silky smooth scrolling 14:08 Taoki OldCoder: BTW. Please no advanced system changes in those instructions. I'm still new to Linux and always worried about making my system no longer boot. Wouldn't want to play with overly advanced things if that's possible 14:08 Taoki New because for about 17 years I've used Windows, and a month ago I permanently switched to Linux for the first time :) 14:11 OldCoder Taoki, I am writing what is necessary 14:11 OldCoder Taoki, for anybody who wishes to try 14:11 Taoki But my system is dual-boot between Windows 7 and openSUSE for many years (also XP back when I was using that). I only logged in Linux occasionally though, and learned it 14:11 Taoki sure 14:11 OldCoder You need not try. But Windows will not be affected at all. 14:11 OldCoder anunakki, hi 14:11 Taoki I suspect I'll just configure cmake and it will work, but can't know 14:12 OldCoder Taoki, probably. But it can be much messier than that for some people. I am writing for everybody. 14:12 Taoki And, just found a tiny bug: Holding the sneak button (Left Shift) while sitting on a slab causes you to go a little bit up 14:12 OldCoder Taoki, please start a bug report file 14:13 Taoki OldCoder: True. I know from other projects... for some building has been a nightmare. Especially on Windows where I needed to get and link dozens of dependencies and compilers. Thank god those days are over :P 14:13 Taoki I probably will soon 14:13 OldCoder k 14:22 Calinou openSUSE is community driven. Nothing related to Microsoft either 14:22 Calinou opensuse 14:22 Calinou want a laugh? 14:22 Calinou opensuse is like mint and ubuntu: another edition of crapware. even less popular crapware this time 14:25 OldCoder Taoki, we will make a trade. I am writing general instructions. You will try them as far as you can and tell me what goes wrong. 14:25 Taoki Sure, if its not advanced system stuff I can't risk doing. Likely not so sure 14:25 OldCoder We'll see 14:26 Taoki Calinou: openSUSE is a great distro. Sad many people don't like it :( 14:26 OldCoder It is Microsoft 14:26 Taoki openSUSE is not 14:27 Taoki maybe the commercial SUSE 14:28 Calinou Taoki: it has the NoOneUsesIt label, like pclinuxos or slitaz or w/e 14:28 Calinou better use more popular distros 14:29 Calinou > more packages, > more support 14:29 Taoki Actually some sites say it's 2nd place after Ubuntu. To me it actually feels 1st place, but it depends on taste so that doesn't cout 14:29 Calinou after ubuntu, in polls, arch is 2nd 14:29 Taoki openSUSE is very popular 14:29 Calinou peanut gallery syndrom 14:29 Calinou debian is more popular than people may think; it's the most used server distro :P 14:30 Taoki It also has Yast, a great tool nothing else does 14:30 Calinou yast is a random packaging tool noone uses? 14:30 Calinou this is what I hate about linux; the "split" of so much different package managers 14:30 Taoki It's a whole control panel with system settings, which also includes an install manager 14:30 Calinou while different DEs are fine, having 150 package managers isn't 14:30 Taoki Yeah, not a good thing generally 14:30 Calinou because they have no interoperability 14:30 Calinou who cares about GUIs 14:31 FreeFull How are you going to convince people to use the one package manager? 14:31 Calinou aunt tillie can't type apt-get install ? too bad 14:31 Calinou it's not that hard 14:31 Taoki GUI's are nicer. I like those 14:31 Jordach hmm 14:31 sfan5 idea: simply .7z packages 7z x $PACKAGE_NAME -o/ 14:31 Calinou when I started using ubuntu, I discovered apt-get shortly after, I didn't use the software center at all :P 14:32 Taoki Yast has a very good repository and software manager. Only other I heard is as good is YUM, but for a gui you need YUM-extender 14:32 Taoki I suck more... I like a GUI for almost everything :P 14:33 Jordach okay 14:33 Jordach my pc is going somewhat crazy 14:33 Calinou RPM *laughs* 14:33 Calinou Taoki: using CLI can often be faster 14:34 Calinou eg. you want to install minetest dependencies required to compile it 14:34 Calinou have fun doing that through a GUI 14:34 Taoki I don't believe in this whole idea that RPM is worse than DEB. They're just different approaches 14:34 Calinou linux is different from windows; that'd a good thing 14:34 Taoki indeed 14:34 Jordach ^ incorrect 14:34 Calinou RPM = made by a commercial company 14:34 Calinou this is why it sucks :P 14:34 Calinou money corrupts everything 14:34 Jordach SINCE EVERYTHING IS DONE THROUGH THE WEB NOW; WE ARE ALMOST INDISTINGGUISHABLWE 14:34 Calinou ubuntu sucks now, guess why? 14:34 Jordach INDISTINGGUISHABLWE 14:35 Taoki I don't like stuff made by commercial companies. But if the code is free and open source and it works, I don't mind either 14:35 Jordach INDISTINGGUISHABLE** 14:35 Calinou Jordach: browser begs to differ 14:35 Calinou websites can know your OS :P 14:35 Taoki Unbuntu sucked for me because it comes with Gnome instead of KDE, first of all :P 14:35 Calinou KDE *laughs* 14:35 Jordach Calinou, my point is: OSes are useless since everything can be done through the net 14:35 Calinou KDE is even slower than gnome :P 14:35 sfan5 ^ i agree 14:35 Calinou Jordach: without an OS you can't do anything, only get system time 14:36 Taoki KDE is much better and prettier, for me at least. GNOME looks like windows 3.11 14:36 Jordach +1 14:36 Jordach brb 14:38 Calinou both suck; xfce FTW 14:38 Taoki I think the main issue with Linux are exactly discussions like this: People start arguing that packeges and distros around their area are better, and others suck. rpm versus deb, kde versus gnome, and so on. As far as I'm concerned, all of them are good... I try to keep away from the distro / package wars :P 14:38 Calinou yeah, wars are useless 8) 14:38 Calinou Taoki: xfce is usually the fastest when playing games, especially if you disable compositing 14:39 Calinou the DE _DOES_ matter when you play fullscreen, for now 14:39 Taoki Really, ALL are good and bad in their way. I just found something around my like, and openSUSE setup with KDE was it for me. I'm not the type of console person, or user who knows a lot of hacks and advanced features. openSUSE and KDE are a lot like Windows... very easy and usable once you learn a bit 14:39 Calinou although the nvidia proprietary driver supports direct stuff now, allowing for fast rendering regardless of the DE 14:39 Calinou GNOME has almost no advantage, regardless of shell/fallback 14:39 Taoki Others however need simpler functionality, and use consoles more. Ubuntu, gnome, etc. work better then 14:39 Calinou debian should've switched to xfce as default :p 14:39 Calinou it was a rumor, not an actual fact 14:40 * Taoki heard about xfce but never tried it 14:40 * Jordach summons #BSD 14:40 Calinou lolBSD 14:40 Calinou Taoki: XFCE is like windows xp 14:40 Calinou somehow :p 14:40 Taoki openSUSE comes with all of them. At least KDE and gnome, likely xfce too. You choose what you want at install time :) 14:40 Calinou while gnome 3 is windows 8 14:40 Calinou opensuse comes with crapware 14:40 Taoki Evenb etter: You can install both gnome and KDE and the rest, and you select which you want at login 14:40 Taoki I don'r agree 14:41 Taoki It comes with good software that most distros use too IIRC 14:42 Taoki As far as I'm concerned though, no distro comes with crapware. I have openSUSE on my system for years, even if I only now switched to it permanently. I've seen nothing to make me upset, except general linux problems 14:42 Calinou installing several DEs at once is quite bad; the applications get mixed up 14:43 Calinou Taoki: I know few distros which don't have crapware: debian, arch, crunchbang.. 14:43 Taoki might try some on VM's out of curiosity to learn Linux eventually. But none of them seemed as nice for me 14:43 Taoki Thing is I've also been used to Woindows over the years. And I only fancy OS's that have good lucks, GUI's for every feature, so on 14:44 Taoki eg: I can't stand NOT using a transparent title bar with blur. oxygen-transparent has that 14:44 Taoki Cuz I dislike interfaces that don't have something like Windows's Aero 14:44 Taoki Plus Yast that handles everything so easily. But it's all a thing of taste 14:46 Taoki Really... there's no such thing as "your distro sucks this one is better". Unless that distro is completely unusable and will barely start up and work, which is far from the case. Diversity is nice, but sadly it causes such issues in Linux 14:49 Taoki Problem is that, software someone isn't used to tends to look as "very bad". It's normal, happened to me as well compared to Windows in many parts. If you're more used to something it will seem very stable and good, while other packages will seem horrible. 14:58 OldCoder Taoki, I am still writing 14:58 Taoki sure 14:58 Taoki Hope it's of use for everyone and I didn't make you waste time for me 14:58 OldCoder It is necessary 14:58 OldCoder It may not be useful for you. We will see. 15:04 Taoki Well, I trust my crap distribution ;) 15:05 OldCoder Taoki, you should do what seems right to you 15:05 Taoki Correct 15:06 Calinou eg: I can't stand NOT using a transparent title bar with blur. oxygen-transparent has that 15:06 Calinou suddenly: windows basic 15:06 Calinou Taoki: eye candy is not necessary as well as graphics; this is why most distros suck today 15:07 Taoki Calinou: Some of us want it and like it. Doesn't mean we suck or are weird, we just have different tastes 15:07 Calinou debian might be fugly (xfce's default theme + the default wallpaper looks simple but nice anyway) but it's crapware-free 15:07 Calinou it's the girl paradox(R) 15:07 Taoki Currently there is no reaon I know of why openSUSE has crapware 15:09 Taoki But, enough distro wars for now. Last thing the Linux community needs, especially newb users like me :P 15:10 Taoki Enough! My ship sails in the morning. 15:10 Taoki I wonder what's for dinner... 15:15 OldCoder Taoki, one minute 15:15 Taoki sure, no hurry 15:15 Calinou no furry 15:16 Taoki OldCoder: I need to go in about 30 minutes. Will be back after an hour or two, and I will try it then 15:16 OldCoder Taoki, one minute 15:16 Taoki Nuuuuu 15:16 OldCoder Taoki, one minute 15:16 Taoki yes 15:16 NekoGloop Meow. 15:16 OldCoder NekoGloop, hi 15:16 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/mtbuildlinux.html 15:16 OldCoder Taoki, This needs a lot of work 15:17 OldCoder But there is a rough draft 15:17 OldCoder Of my general Linux build instructions for both RPM and Debian distros 15:17 OldCoder The code 15:17 Taoki OldCoder: Why is it so much harder than the minetest GIT? 15:17 Taoki ok 15:17 OldCoder Because those instructions are 95% incomplete 15:17 Taoki will check it out when im back, finishing a house on the server for now 15:17 OldCoder <--- prefers complete instructions 15:17 OldCoder Taoki, misunderstanding 15:18 OldCoder Taoki, This needs a lot of work 15:18 OldCoder I meant... 15:18 OldCoder I need to work on the documentation 15:18 Taoki Yes, that is a good idea. Documentation is always good 15:18 OldCoder The build procedure is not very difficult 15:18 OldCoder Except for some RPM distros where it is almost impossible 15:18 OldCoder Because Red Hat hates Open Source 15:19 Calinou why would you want to use a VM? 15:19 OldCoder Calinou, because I do not actually have large numbers of machines sitting around 15:19 Taoki From what I know. RPM is just a different implementation of deb. More of a structure. The actual distro differences are what package comes with each 15:19 Calinou still 15:19 Calinou there's no reason to use VMs 15:19 OldCoder Taoki, that is not the issue at all. It is not true. 15:19 OldCoder Calinou, Oh? More power to you and your large stack of PCs then 15:19 OldCoder <--- Does not possess a large stack of PCs 15:20 Taoki What are the main differences between Linux distros? IIRC distros are group of packages under a brand. And the main difference are some settings plus what packages each has 15:20 Taoki So distros are more of a bundle of packages to install a Linux system with, from what I know 15:20 OldCoder Taoki, Uh huh. "Some" settings. As in hours of work and things that do not work. 15:21 OldCoder Taoki, different distros are often entirely different worlds. 15:21 OldCoder They are not 15:21 Taoki I meant Linux distros in general 15:21 OldCoder Just different branding 15:21 Taoki I understand 15:21 OldCoder Go on 15:21 Taoki Sorry, I am new so I'm likely to be wrong 15:21 OldCoder It is fine 15:21 OldCoder Ask your question again 15:21 OldCoder Calinou if you have dozens of PCs your home must be crowded 15:22 OldCoder Taoki, almost everything that matters to a developer can change radically from distro to distro. There is often little similarity at all. 15:22 OldCoder In the case of RPM distros... 15:22 OldCoder Some of them make it nearly impossible to use git 15:22 OldCoder At least for novices 15:23 OldCoder Taoki, ^ 15:23 Calinou OldCoder: what does this have to do with several computers? 15:23 Taoki OldCoder: What is the difference between Linux distributions then? I used to think different distributions are different DVD bundles to install a Linux system. Like "this one has KDE and uses Pulseaudio, this one has Gnome and doesn't, but it has this and that instead" and so on 15:23 Calinou if you want to run "several things at once" use something like screen 15:23 Taoki I understand 15:23 Calinou VMs aren't for that kind of stuff 15:23 Taoki It's good to know this 15:23 OldCoder Calinou, VMs are needed to build for different distros 15:23 OldCoder That is the issue 15:23 Taoki Yes, different distros would have different settings too 15:23 Calinou a linux binary works on all linuxes 15:23 Calinou always 15:23 Calinou it's not windows 15:23 OldCoder Calinou, Nope 15:23 Calinou you mean packages? 15:23 Calinou pfft, packages for games 15:23 Calinou always outdated 15:24 OldCoder Calinou, No 15:24 OldCoder OldCoder: What is the difference between Linux distributions then? I used to think different distributions are different DVD bundles to install a Linux system. Like "this one has KDE and uses Pulseaudio, this one has Gnome and doesn't, but it has this and that instead" and so on 15:24 OldCoder Taoki I am reviewing this 15:26 OldCoder Taoki: Depending on various factors, different distros can be entirely different OSes at the component level. It is not about branding. NekoLinux with Kitty Cat wallpaper. BaconOS with platters of tasty food. Nope. Or about packaging. The libraries are different. The rules are different. There may be little connection from the developer's perspective. 15:26 OldCoder Taoki, answer ^ 15:26 Taoki I still know little about Linux. But I think I know enough to say there's no distribution that is crap, unless it's outright broken in all ways 15:26 Taoki Thanks *reads 15:27 NekoGloop Who the fuck added "nekolinux" as a HL of mine. 15:27 Taoki Yes, different libraries are true. And different settings also. Thinking about it, each distro would heavily customize its rules of basic libraries 15:27 OldCoder Yes 15:28 Calinou OldCoder: you're being wrong; binaries run with any distro 15:28 OldCoder Taoki, Even the kernels are different. Even kernels with the same release number 15:28 Calinou I can run sauerbraten from the official source in ubuntu, mint and debian just fine 15:28 OldCoder Calinou, you know perfectly well that is not true at all 15:28 OldCoder Ha 15:28 OldCoder Calinou, those are all 15:28 OldCoder the same distro 15:28 OldCoder to some extent 15:28 Calinou different kernels 15:28 OldCoder Now... take them to CentOS 15:28 Taoki That I didn't know. I saw a kernel branding package though 15:28 Calinou ubuntu with kernel 2.6.32, 2.6.35, 2.6.38, 3.0, 3.2 15:28 OldCoder Yes 15:29 OldCoder Now... take them to CentOS 15:29 OldCoder I dare you :p 15:29 Calinou OldCoder: run sauerbraten from official source and tell me what happens 15:29 Calinou http://sauerbraten.org/ 15:29 OldCoder Calinou, you are not being specific 15:29 OldCoder Now... take them to CentOS 15:29 OldCoder I dare you :p 15:29 Calinou see the linux download. it has precompiled binaries 15:29 Calinou run them, get the dependencies first, it will work 15:29 OldCoder Calinou, Ubuntu, Mint, and Debian Community Edition etc. are largely the same distro 15:30 OldCoder Statically linked binaries are reasonably portable 15:30 OldCoder But even they 15:30 OldCoder Will not work in many cases 15:30 OldCoder And Minetest is not statically linked 15:30 OldCoder To address the issue... 15:31 OldCoder I have started to statically link parts of Minetest. See my latest instructions. 15:31 OldCoder But even the statically linked version will not work across the entire range. 15:31 OldCoder Calinou, how many distros have *you* built MT or other FOSS in general for? 15:31 OldCoder I have been doing this for 20 years 15:31 OldCoder 15:31 * OldCoder is AFK for a few minutes 15:32 OldCoder Taoki, your questions are sensible. We will talk further if you wish. 15:32 * Taoki has so far found openSUSE is stable and functional with almost any other program, so I'm not worrying 15:32 Taoki OldCoder: Sure. I'd like that :) I like Linux and those matters 15:32 * OldCoder has not said to worry. All will be well. 15:32 Calinou and this is why different kinds of packaging hurts 15:33 Taoki OldCoder: I can also easily tell you're an experienced coder and very interested in those things too. Really nice to meet someone like that! 15:33 Calinou distros are getting more and more distro-specific 15:33 Calinou see fedora 15:33 Taoki yeah 15:33 Calinou oh we have /bin? LETS PUT EVERYTHING TO /sbin OR I DONT REMEMBER IT WAS /sbin INTO /bin 15:33 Taoki IIRC Fedora is most close to openSUSE. I tried it but it simply seemed like a simpler version of it 15:33 OldCoder Taoki, Calinou thank both of you for your points. They are interesting. Calinou I have talked to Gentoo about starting OpenLinux to fight this. RedHat is proposing changes that the smaller distros dislike. 15:33 Taoki I have /bin, never heard of sbin 15:33 Calinou gentoo *laughs* 15:34 Calinou thexyz: ^ 15:34 OldCoder Google for the systemd debate 15:34 * OldCoder will return 15:34 Taoki Fight what? 15:34 OldCoder RedHat 15:34 Calinou Taoki: /sbin stores binaries run in root space iirc 15:34 OldCoder Moving to take over Linux 15:34 Calinou systemd is fine; upstart sucks 15:34 Taoki ok 15:34 Calinou debian uses the good old init and it's faster to boot than ubuntu 15:34 Calinou who said upstart solved things? :3 15:35 Taoki Great... actual wars betweel Linux distributions. Just when I tought I';; find peace leaving Windows behind :D 15:35 Taoki *between 15:36 NekoGloop Leaving windows behind isnt the answer. 15:36 Taoki Well, I mainly wanted Linux for two large reason (alongside the small ones). 1 - It's free and open source, 2 - It has software repositories, and I can keep my system updated and installations easily, rather than going to 1000 websites to look "for the latest setup.exe" 15:37 Calinou windows sucks and unfortunately it's sold with all computers 15:37 Calinou can't stand governments accepting this 15:37 Calinou some french guy said "we cannot guarantee installing an alternative operating system, so selling the computer with windows is fine" 15:37 Calinou <_< 15:37 Taoki Calinou: Windows kinda sucked. But since Windows 8, which now requires a Microsoft account to even log in, yes... it does 15:37 Calinou linux hardware compat is fine now; just get a nvidia GPU :P 15:37 Taoki Really though, Windows 7 is very good. So was XP. Others sucked badly, like Vista 15:38 Calinou Taoki: and it'll be sold with all computers 15:38 Calinou windows 7 is DECENT, it's not GOOD 15:38 Calinou barely 15:38 Taoki I stick with ATI thanks. But there are ATI drivers for Linux too, as hard as they are to find 15:38 Calinou ati *laughs 15:38 Taoki And most of my other hardware works. Some even out of the box, which it wouldn't on Windows 15:38 Taoki Oh come on, you hate those too :P 15:38 Calinou Taoki: basically, if you like win7 and XP but hate vista, why do you use KDE? 15:38 Calinou :> 15:38 Taoki KDE is close to Windows 7 desktop 15:38 Calinou nvidia is just faster anyway; it is more expensive but it's definitely worth it 15:38 Taoki And very customizable and modern overall 15:39 Calinou the free drivers let me play games 15:39 NekoGloop Calinou: Hates anything that isnt what he's used. 15:39 Calinou (even though nouveau sucks on fermi/kepler) 15:39 NekoGloop The traditional asshole. 15:39 Calinou no u 15:39 Taoki Calinou: ATI is much closer to the open source communities. Nvidia are the big corporations that restrict and patent everything 15:39 Calinou NekoGloop: true, that's what everyone does. :) 15:40 Calinou Taoki: nvidia is actually faster with free drivers 15:40 * Taoki puts NekoGloop in a more gentle way. Then again we all make mistakes and see things the way we're used to them being 15:40 Calinou - ATI free drivers require non-free firmware, so they're not 100% free 15:40 Calinou - the "ratio" free-to-proprietary driver is better for ATI, but actually nvidia is still faster 15:40 Calinou Taoki: you'll want to buy that random OpenGPU I seen on wikipedia then 15:40 Taoki I heard ATI is working on the open source linux driver together with the community, and might move to that sometime. nvidia doesn't like even hearing about it 15:40 Calinou as powerful as a nvidia 8xxx 15:40 Calinou $5000 15:41 Taoki Never heard of that, sounds interesting 15:41 Calinou I said the price 15:41 Taoki Thats probably whe I never even heard of it :P 15:41 Jordach lemme restart my pc 15:41 Taoki What does it do? Can it cook or fly you like an airplane 15:41 Taoki Or make coffee 15:43 Calinou ati's free drivers: slow and buggy 15:43 Calinou ati's proprietary driver: even slower and more buggy and hard to install 15:43 Taoki I agree 15:43 Taoki Calinou: The issue is a different one. There are no open-source Linux drivers that can run 3D games at any acceptable performance 15:43 NekoGloop Calinou: stupid and idiotic 15:43 Taoki For either card 15:44 Taoki The ATI driver included with openSUSE works very well for desktop effects, 2D and that sort of thing. The moment you start a 3D game all hell breaks lose 15:44 Calinou Taoki: nouveau lets me run 95% of games I play playably with decent settings 15:44 Taoki IIRC it's the same for the nvidia one 15:44 Calinou openarena, sauerbraten, minetest, red eclipse, xonotic 15:44 Taoki hmm... 15:44 Taoki Is that an FOSS video driver? 15:44 Calinou yes 15:44 Taoki interesting 15:44 Calinou openarena even runs on llvmpipe with an i7 at 50FPS :P 15:44 Calinou this means no GPU used at all 15:44 OldCoder Back 15:44 Calinou (640x480) 15:44 Taoki Is it as fast as the proprietary one? All rendering settings working? Do WINE games run on it too (like Need For Speed or UT) 15:45 OldCoder Calinou: The issue is a different one. There are no open-source Linux drivers that can run 3D games at any acceptable performance 15:45 OldCoder Not quite true... 15:45 OldCoder The latest NVidia support seems all right 15:46 Taoki that's interesting then, didn't know that 15:46 Taoki That open-source nvidia drivers can run games 15:46 Jordach this is not #linux 15:46 OldCoder Jordach, it is about games including MT 15:46 Taoki Jordach: Nothing better being talked about ATM 15:47 Jordach i also rebooted since OpenAL clapped out my sound driver 15:47 OldCoder Nouveau drivers 15:51 Calinou Taoki: on a nvidia 8600gt (quite old I know), playing openarena with free driver gets you 108FPS, proprietary one 104FPS 15:51 Taoki Calinou: That's nice :) 15:51 Calinou reverse engineering never means "worse" :P 15:51 Calinou it's not because you have the specs the thing will be better 15:56 * OldCoder back soon 16:02 Jordach we need custom player leaving messages 16:12 bulletrulz hi 16:18 OldCoder Back 16:29 RealBadAngel_ Oldcoder, hi, im almost ready with the next update 16:35 OldCoder RealBadAngel_, that is fine. Say when. 16:36 RealBadAngel_ testitn it now 16:36 OldCoder RealBadAngel_, I can almost automate Technic updates for you in EU soon. 16:36 RealBadAngel_ superb 16:39 RealBadAngel_ recording new video on constructors usage right now 17:00 * PilzAdam is back 17:09 * Calinou awards Internet Exploder User Of The Year 2012 award to... http://paste.ubuntu.com/1295493/ 17:10 OldCoder PilzAdam, Hi. May I PM? 17:11 Calinou OldCoder: don't ask to PM, it's pointless :P 17:11 Calinou gtg, dinner, bye 17:12 OldCoder Calinou is gone but it is not pointless 17:12 OldCoder It is required in some channels 17:12 PilzAdam it is 17:12 OldCoder So I am accustomed to it 17:12 OldCoder I am in channels where you are banned if you violate the rule 17:12 RealBadAngel_ calinou: lol 17:13 OldCoder PilzAdam, I suppose I could post that PM here 17:13 OldCoder a simple mod, shouldnt take long, something that doesnt allow the node lava_source to be placed above coord 0 on the y axis 17:13 ruskie OldCoder, I'm in to many channels to care for such unenforcable rules... but I find it polite in general to ask first 17:13 Jordach i see where OldCoder comes from 17:13 OldCoder That is a request from somebody who has been griefed 17:13 PilzAdam OldCoder, its easy; just define a on_place_node for lava_source 17:13 ruskie atleast if I didn't PM the person before 17:14 OldCoder PilzAdam, I have never written a mod. Though I plan to do so. rubenwardy Yep 17:14 Jordach OldCoder, which server has been griefed? 17:14 OldCoder Jordach, quite a few. If you mean that one I'll explain in PM 17:14 Jordach s/rubenwardy/ruskie 17:14 OldCoder Ah 17:14 RealBadAngel_ video with final versions of the Constructors: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmMuDsHGAM0&feature=plcp 17:16 PilzAdam is a forum moderator here? 17:17 PilzAdam can someone move this to old mods? http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2672 17:19 PilzAdam bbl 17:19 Jordach who is the player nhOmega on europe.minetest.org 17:20 ruskie me 17:20 ruskie my alt 17:20 ruskie because I'm not sure if I registered my primary 17:20 ruskie and if I did I forgot the pass 17:20 Jordach then go do so 17:20 ruskie I tried with my primary 17:21 ruskie says invalid password 17:21 ruskie can you check when it was created? 17:21 ruskie if it was in the last week I wouldn't mind having it removed 17:21 Jordach OldCoder, check the player file for ruskie in europe.minetest.org : 30000 17:22 Jordach cisoun, ctp10 is epic 17:22 cisoun o7 17:22 cisoun *o/ 17:22 cisoun oh hi 17:22 cisoun thanks 17:23 Jordach it just needs more mod support 17:24 OldCoder Jordach, What am I to do with it? 17:24 Jordach delete and restart server 17:24 Jordach as with Taoki 17:24 OldCoder O.K. 17:24 Jordach (do this when updating technic) 17:24 OldCoder Also auth entry I assume 17:24 OldCoder k 17:25 OldCoder Is Technic ready? 17:25 ruskie can you confirm it was created during the last few days? 17:25 OldCoder Checking 17:25 ruskie I know there's atleast one other person using this same nick 17:25 ruskie so wouldn't want an issue there 17:25 OldCoder I can't confirm the date 17:26 OldCoder Deleting now though 17:26 OldCoder Is Technic ready? 17:26 OldCoder RealBadAngel_, 17:26 RealBadAngel_ puting final touches, in a few minutes 17:26 OldCoder k 17:26 OldCoder world down til then 17:27 Jordach >:( 17:27 OldCoder Jordach, patience 17:27 OldCoder I stopped to fix Ruskie 17:27 OldCoder No point in starting for 5 minutes 17:27 Jordach i finally got the final bits for my solar panels 17:27 OldCoder Sorry 17:27 ruskie are there any client mods that one should use? or are they all just server mods? 17:27 OldCoder ruskie, I have most of the mods 17:27 Jordach ruskie, all server side 17:27 OldCoder on the server 17:27 OldCoder You are set 17:27 ruskie ok 17:27 OldCoder ruskie, what is your OS? 17:27 ruskie debian 17:28 OldCoder Which Debian? How new? 17:28 ruskie I rolled my own version of minetest ;) 17:28 OldCoder k 17:28 ruskie 0.4.3 17:28 OldCoder All set then 17:28 ruskie is what I'm running 17:28 OldCoder ruskie, do you wish to try my version? 17:28 OldCoder With Jordach Vanessa Taoki patches? 17:28 ruskie what do they do? 17:29 Jordach adds: texture filters, 3d glasses mode, and apple tree generation 17:29 OldCoder Filters, anaglyphic, fewer crashes, apples but that is server side 17:29 ruskie hmm would be willing to give it a go 17:29 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/mtbuildlinux.html 17:29 OldCoder All my sources and runtime scripts are there 17:29 OldCoder Latest mods etc. 17:30 OldCoder Feedback welcome 17:31 ruskie why separate build of irrlicht? 17:32 OldCoder ruskie, following reasons: 17:32 OldCoder 1. Static better if you wish to package. 2. Distro version sometimes has errors. 3. But try distro version if you wish. 17:33 ruskie well already running distro version with: celeron55-minetest-9696ed3 17:33 OldCoder Fine 17:33 OldCoder And I assume you will not package 17:34 ruskie checkinstall does the job ;) 17:34 OldCoder No 17:34 ruskie but yeah other than my own use no I wont 17:34 OldCoder That is not the issue 17:34 OldCoder Library problems 17:34 OldCoder If you package... 17:34 OldCoder But some parts static if possible 17:35 OldCoder *Build 17:35 OldCoder Somebody page me when Technic is ready 17:35 ruskie I generally have no big issues with such 17:36 ruskie still do some work for source mage distro which is from sources so used to a lot of stuff with weild libs and so on 17:37 Jordach RealBadAngel_ = tekkie 17:39 RealBadAngel_ shit i just deleted somehow all grinder recipes 17:39 ruskie any good texture packs for clients or is everyone just using the default stuff? 17:42 Jordach https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/blob/master/grinder.lua#L12 17:42 Jordach nice and safer 17:43 * PilzAdam is back 17:45 OldCoder PilzAdam, the other person wanted to know if you'd do the mod. If the answer is no that is fine. 17:45 PilzAdam gimme a sec. 17:45 RealBadAngel_ OldCoder, update is ready 17:46 OldCoder k 17:46 RealBadAngel_ jordach: i deleted new ones 17:46 RealBadAngel_ you can check the link you given again 17:46 OldCoder EU restarted without ruskie and with new Technic 17:47 ruskie thank you 17:47 Jordach RealBadAngel_, i will look into making a nuclear reactor 17:48 PilzAdam OldCoder, this should work: https://gist.github.com/3927808 17:48 Jordach (finally have a use for that lump of uranium) 17:48 RealBadAngel_ could be super 17:48 RealBadAngel_ i have 2 :) 17:48 Jordach but we'd need lead blocks 17:48 RealBadAngel_ lets play now with constructors :) 17:49 ruskie now this might sound stupid but how do I mine resources and build... last time I was walking around there I was unable to mine anything or build anything 17:49 PilzAdam OldCoder, donwload the code and put it in a init.lua in any mod you want 17:49 ruskie was able to pickup stuff lying around though 17:49 sfan5[iPod] ruskie: do you have interqct priv? 17:50 sfan5[iPod] *interact 17:50 ruskie I assume not 17:52 OldCoder PilzAdam, tyvm 18:15 Taoki OldCoder: I'm back. What is the link to the source, and the instructions you wrote? 18:15 OldCoder Hey 18:15 RealBadAngel_ ok, Constructors workin fine 18:15 Taoki fun fun 18:15 RealBadAngel_ just made 8x6 doors with them 18:15 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/mtbuildlinux.html 18:16 OldCoder Taoki, ^ 18:16 Taoki Will look 18:18 Taoki OldCoder: Got a link to the source code as well? 18:18 OldCoder It's on the page 18:18 OldCoder Everything is linked there 18:18 Taoki ok 18:21 Taoki Sorry, I can't see it 18:22 Taoki Never mind 18:22 Taoki Downloading source now, will attempt to compile and see how it goes 18:23 Taoki Sadly I'm not familiar with those instructions. I don't even use YUM, just yast. But I can easily find any dependency package there so no problem. 18:24 * Taoki is also used to setting up projects via cmake-gui, which is how I get c55's minetest to compile. Will attempt this here as well at first, which should certainly work without problems 18:28 Taoki Done setting up ckame, compiling 18:28 Taoki **cmake 18:30 * Taoki can't stop laughing at that very retarded typo I just made 18:31 * PilzAdam is setting a alias: alias ckame "cmake" 18:31 Taoki LOL 18:33 FreeFull cat() { tac "$*" | rev | tac | rev; } 18:34 FreeFull Actually 18:34 FreeFull cat() { tac -- "$*" | rev | tac | rev; } 18:37 PilzAdam bye 18:37 Taoki OldCoder: Done compiling the client and server (two times because I forgot the path and compiled c55's GIT at first). Going to start it up now and see how everything works 18:38 OldCoder k 18:39 Taoki OldCoder: I'm in a single player world. Looking good... mipmaps and anisotropic filtering working as well 18:39 Taoki OldCoder: Are there specific things I should try to do in-world and test what the result is? Like craft or use some items 18:40 OldCoder Taoki, on the phone ATM but bbiab 18:40 OldCoder Taoki, try your own change 18:40 Taoki sure 18:42 Jordach OldCoder, we found a bug in europe 18:42 OldCoder Jordach, Oh? 18:43 Jordach anunaki's bobblock lights in his ice house can be removed by fists but not placed 18:43 Taoki OldCoder: Anaglyph stereo works. Using 3D glasses now, looks as good as last time 18:43 OldCoder Conclusions 18:43 OldCoder k 18:43 Taoki So yes, it's all good. Only that the settings are still not in minetest.conf.example 18:44 Jordach OldCoder, RealBadAngel_ was notified 18:44 OldCoder Jordach, k 18:51 Taoki OldCoder: It's missing mods from minetest.org however, and the pack is called minetest_minimal. Is that intended? 18:51 OldCoder Hi 18:51 OldCoder Wait 18:52 Taoki ok. eg: There's no animated water... and it also doesn't have the nicer textures 18:53 Taoki Also, I get corrupt textures in inventory for some reason. Dunno why\ 18:54 Taoki Yes, my bad, your source comes with the original minetest_minimal game. Your version with all the mods is probably separate. If you have a link to that as well please let me know 18:56 OldCoder Taoki, Hi 18:57 OldCoder Off the phone now 18:57 OldCoder Reviewing 18:58 OldCoder Taoki, I have not modified the example file yet. I need to study it regarding all the settings 18:58 FreeFull Anaglyph screws with your eyes 18:58 OldCoder Jordach, Europe bug is outside the level I work at. RBA would be the one I think. 18:58 Taoki ok 18:58 OldCoder FreeFull, It is optional. 18:59 OldCoder Taoki, My version with all the mods is linked on the page. Did you do the full procedure? 18:59 Taoki OldCoder: Ok, I'll look again. And I compiled the source you linked if you mean that. I didn't use the instructions there since I'm not familiar with those, and how I already did it worked perfectly fine here 19:00 OldCoder Taoki, yes but you are asking more questions that are solved by that page. Go back and do it that way. 19:01 Taoki If you mean the data yeah, I'll look again now 19:01 OldCoder O.K. I have reviewed and I think I'm caught up. Thank you all plus Taoki FreeFull Jordach for your interest. Plans for adding patches will proceed. 19:02 OldCoder All: This has been interesting. I will put more stuff online over time. 19:02 OldCoder Patience is requested. 19:03 Taoki Yeah, it's really nice and fun to test and see how things advance 19:03 OldCoder I hereby request whatever patches people wish to give me; please put them in diff -ruN format. 19:03 OldCoder We will work out conf file settings and textures and so forth 19:03 OldCoder I will also... 19:03 OldCoder Make my entire structure FOSS over time 19:04 OldCoder So that if something happens to me, you can all continue with this project 19:04 Taoki Ah yes, the data is working. Really nice like on the minetest.org server 19:05 Taoki And don't worry, nothing will bad happen :) But I always appreciate how other developers care to make everything FOSS 19:05 Taoki Im the same way 19:08 OldCoder Good 19:09 Taoki OldCoder: Now that I compiled from your source, and got your game data, si there anything else you want me to test? All looks good to me, so if you want me to test crafting or using some specific stuff let me know 19:13 OldCoder 19:13 OldCoder Reviewing 19:14 OldCoder Taoki, are you using (a) my minetest_game (b) my minetest.conf (c) my server client code? If so you are good to go. Just play both single user and a network site. Have fun and let me know. Maybe do this... 19:14 OldCoder 19:14 OldCoder Taoki, this week work through my tutorial *exactly* and provide feedback please 19:14 OldCoder 19:14 Taoki OldCoder: Not your minetest.conf, but the code and data yes. I'll play then and let you know if i see anything bad 19:16 OldCoder Taoki, we are agreed. If you are willing, review the tutorial as well when you can. This will be helpful. 19:16 OldCoder Taoki, Not everybody is as educated as you are. You could be helpful. 19:16 OldCoder 19:16 OldCoder See if the procedure will actually work for you 19:17 OldCoder But it must be followed exactly 19:17 OldCoder 19:17 Taoki OldCoder: I already have the dependency packages installed, so using Yum (which I don't use) to re-install them would have the same effect at best. I could try setting up cmake from the console with those commands instead of the GUI like I do normally, maybe I'll look into it 19:18 OldCoder Taoki, whatever you think best 19:20 Taoki OldCoder: Probably going to play more on minetest.org for now. But There are some mods which I'm not sure about including, while others which I think are missed. Would you like to hear about it? 19:20 Taoki just what i think 19:25 arutr99 hi 19:25 arutr99 is enybodu? 19:25 arutr99 ##lostbird 19:29 OldCoder Hi 19:29 OldCoder arutr99, Hi 19:30 OldCoder Taoki, Yes I'd like to hear 19:30 Taoki ok 19:32 Taoki OldCoder: A mod I don't agree with is the timber one. It's nice and works, but if you cut down the bottom block of a tree all others fall. This makes it kinda pointless to harvest wood, and the axe an useless item (it's too easy to bring trees down). I'm also not sure if items like the laser gun are that fit for MineTest... especially when laser shots take out whole blocks 19:33 Taoki OldCoder: Mods I know of which are nice, which come to mind right now (but I haven't seen here) are the workbench and animals mod. Workbench is still buggy, so that one might be best to leave out until it's fixed. Animals worked nicely last time, it's a lot more fun and you might wanna consider it 19:35 OldCoder R == Reviewing 19:35 OldCoder Responses for Taoki: 19:35 OldCoder 1. Timber was suggested by others. Ask for consensus. If people don't wish it then it can go. 19:36 OldCoder 2. Laser is Technic, isn't it? Talk to RealBadAngel_ if so. Also others. Consensus please. 19:36 OldCoder 3. Workbench is interesting. Tell me when it's ready. 19:36 OldCoder 4. I'd be pleased to add animals. But I've been told they may lead to CPU or crash problems. Is this not true? 19:36 OldCoder Done. For Taoki ^ 19:36 OldCoder 19:37 FreeFull Animals are rather resource-intensive 19:37 OldCoder FreeFull, go on. How much so? 19:37 Taoki OldCoder: About 4: I never had any CPU issues or crashes. Maybe someone else can confirm. 19:37 OldCoder All right. Listening with interest to FreeFull. 19:37 Taoki FreeFull: Ok then. Wonder why I never had issues if such. Hope it will get fixed 19:37 OldCoder I could add animals right now just to one world. 30000 possibly. 19:38 Jordach OldCoder, NO! 19:38 OldCoder Jordach, speak! 19:38 * OldCoder listens 19:38 Jordach animals is horrible - and can hang the server 19:38 OldCoder No hangs please 19:38 OldCoder Perhaps somebody can start a lighter version 19:38 Jordach and i dont think the deadman will revive it 19:38 OldCoder Oops 19:39 OldCoder Taoki, if this is true... 19:39 Jordach since setvelocity will make it loop 19:39 OldCoder Perhaps a new mod is needed 19:39 Taoki Would make sense. Though I never had hangs with it IIRC 19:39 Taoki Jordach: Has anyone identified the exact codes and functions in LUA that cause that? 19:39 OldCoder Conclusions: 1. I will wait for consensus. 2. RBA will want to keep it. 3. Will wait for ready. 4. Nope. 19:39 OldCoder 19:40 Jordach Jordach: Has anyone identified the exact codes and functions in LUA that cause that? - no, animals has become so large no one has the time to 19:40 RealBadAngel_ of course i will :) 19:41 Jordach i might start working on making a nuclear reactor for technice 19:41 RealBadAngel_ tested all the dyes 19:41 Jordach WTF 19:41 Jordach i picked up the light block from the flashlight 19:41 Taoki OldCoder: Ok. One more thing I wanted to suggest: Now that dropped items are picked up automatically when walking over them (like in MC), could we make all blocks drop to the ground instead of going to inventory? More realistic and fun that way 19:42 RealBadAngel_ thanks to grinder we can have now both unified dyes and default 19:42 Jordach Taoki, probably modified for a reason 19:43 FreeFull Jordach: And add uranium ore? 19:43 Jordach there already is one 19:43 FreeFull Ok 19:43 Taoki OldCoder: Another small observation: The moreores mod adds too many useless ores IMO. I'd like to see it reduced a bit. If others agree of course 19:44 Taoki So many of them... not sure which are even used to craft something 19:45 Jordach they are all used by the technic mod 19:46 Taoki Ok, they are useful then. Disregard that 19:46 Taoki Still wish it didn't make so many :P 19:48 Taoki Jordach: About the animals mod bug with lag: Is it possible to create LUA mobs and creatures without it then? Or does any mob have such issues? Talking about simple entities that roam around and move, and can be harvested for items and the like 19:48 OldCoder Taoki, will you add to a text file with these points? 19:48 Jordach LUA entities are slow, ask pilzadam this 19:49 Taoki OldCoder: Only current one was making all mined blocks drop to the ground, now that items are automatically picked up 19:49 Taoki Jordach: Ok. So mobs / creatures can't be properly implemented yet? 19:49 Taoki I mean done at all for a mod 19:49 OldCoder Taoki, I am interested. I'd like you to edit what you can into a text file 19:49 OldCoder Get consensus if you can 19:50 Taoki OldCoder: Perhaps I should post on the forum 19:51 Taoki Other than that: I'm seeing some issues with the ambience mod 19:52 Taoki Not sure if they're because better can't be done. Like eg: Lack of directional and distance-based sounds 19:52 Jordach OldCoder, building quick enough can override the node ownership 19:52 Jordach (i could build on rbas land.) 19:52 Jordach night all 19:53 Taoki night 19:54 OldCoder hmm 19:54 arutr99 who is xh? 19:54 OldCoder Taoki, I need text files. Post on forum to build consensus if you wish. 19:55 OldCoder arutr99, a coder 19:55 Taoki ok 19:55 Taoki Who made the ambience mod BTW? 19:55 arutr99 how old? 19:55 OldCoder Taoki, two people or groups. One moment. 19:56 arutr99 ? 19:58 arutr99 ? 20:01 arutr99 who is xh? 20:02 arutr99 bye! 20:09 RealBadAngel_ hi Muadtralk 20:09 RealBadAngel_ watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmMuDsHGAM0&feature=plcp 20:16 Muadtralk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p35e3ZCdDVU&feature=relmfu what is the extra filters? 20:17 RealBadAngel_ mipmap, anisothropic filtering 20:17 Muadtralk oh 20:18 RealBadAngel_ bilinear and triliniear filters 20:18 Muadtralk it kinda looked like you were using burningsvideo in the conf for a moment 20:19 RealBadAngel_ those settings are aviable now with just checkboxes in menu 20:19 Muadtralk i know 20:19 Muadtralk i saw the pull request 20:23 iqualfragile vanessae made added that to the game(her fork) after someone worked it out and posted it on the forum 20:25 OldCoder bulletrulz, hi 20:25 OldCoder Muadtralk: 20:25 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/mtbuildlinux.html 20:26 OldCoder Review if time permits sometime 20:26 iqualfragile i will 20:26 OldCoder Comments from developers are welcome 20:26 OldCoder iqualfragile, ty 20:27 iqualfragile split additional setup into additional setup und setting up a sane build env 20:28 iqualfragile dont pipe the errors away or you wont get any helpfull feedback: sudo make install 2> /dev/null 20:29 OldCoder iqualfragile, (a) yes (b) no 20:29 OldCoder split additional setup into additional setup und setting up a sane build env 20:29 OldCoder Yes 20:29 OldCoder dont pipe the errors away or you wont get any helpfull feedback: sudo make install 2> /dev/null 20:29 OldCoder No 20:29 OldCoder There is a bug in the Irrlicht scripts. I need to patch them. 20:29 OldCoder make install *always* fails 20:29 OldCoder For static builds 20:29 iqualfragile PERIOD=. # This is a period 20:29 iqualfragile cmake $S1 $S2 $S3 $S4 $PERIOD # Build makefiles 20:29 iqualfragile why? 20:29 OldCoder I may produce a patched version of the Irrlicht tarball 20:30 OldCoder ? 20:30 OldCoder iqualfragile, explain your question 20:30 OldCoder This is partly for novices who are easily confused 20:30 OldCoder And who tend to omit or misunderstand periods 20:30 teknkik good quality spamm 20:30 OldCoder ? 20:30 teknkik me wants kebab 20:31 iqualfragile maybee make it one step easyer then: create a scriptfile wich contains all those commands 20:31 iqualfragile and just make them download that 20:31 OldCoder iqualfragile, Yes 20:31 teknkik do you have kebab 20:31 OldCoder teknkik, In a restaurant maybe 20:32 teknkik well if they could bring it to my place that would be good 20:32 OldCoder teknkik, what is your area? 20:32 FreeFull RealBadAngel_: Did the server crash 20:32 teknkik oulu, finland ;) 20:32 OldCoder teknkik, wait 20:33 RealBadAngel_ dunno, i just logged out 20:33 iqualfragile oh, cool 20:33 teknkik no can do bro i'm too hungry 20:33 iqualfragile i met someone from oulu this summer 20:33 OldCoder Trojan Kebab looks good 20:33 RealBadAngel_ needed to switch tp 20:33 OldCoder They are Trusted for Kebabs 20:33 OldCoder In Oulu 20:33 teknkik lol :P 20:33 teknkik Tuira döner kebab for tha win 20:34 teknkik that was some good kebab 20:34 OldCoder (08) 882 1302 20:34 OldCoder Phone them. They will kebab you 20:34 teknkik :P 20:34 OldCoder Pakkahuoneenkatu 8, Oulu 20:34 OldCoder Nearby? 20:34 teknkik like 2km 20:34 RealBadAngel_ OldCoder: looks like EU crashed, can you check why? 20:34 OldCoder RealBadAngel_, yes 20:35 OldCoder teknkik, good luck with kebabs. 2km is not far. 20:35 iqualfragile you have quite a dangerous river in oulu 20:35 teknkik well idk if theyre open and i can eat something from the fridge 20:35 OldCoder Yes it is late already here 20:35 OldCoder *there 20:35 teknkik 23:35 20:35 OldCoder RealBadAngel_, reviewing 20:35 OldCoder teknkik, you may go kebabless I am sorry 20:36 teknkik well maybe i can get some tomorrow 20:36 iqualfragile additonaly it might be cold and dark up there 20:36 teknkik it's like -2 and pretty dark 20:36 OldCoder RealBadAngel_, when did this crash happen? 20:36 OldCoder How many minutes ago? 20:36 iqualfragile cool 20:37 RealBadAngel_ im not sure, was afk 20:37 iqualfragile whe had quite good weather here for the last days 20:37 teknkik it's really depressing here atm 20:37 OldCoder RealBadAngel_, I'd need to know roughly when but I am checking 20:38 RealBadAngel_ grep for "error" 20:38 OldCoder RealBadAngel_, coming 20:39 OldCoder http://minetest.org/errors.txt 20:40 OldCoder RealBadAngel_, ^ 20:40 OldCoder That is everything for days 20:40 iqualfragile well, that triggers a 404 20:40 OldCoder Wait 20:40 OldCoder Wrong site 20:40 OldCoder Sorry 20:40 teknkik OldCoder: u from london? :o 20:41 OldCoder No 20:41 teknkik oh it was ur server :D failz 20:41 OldCoder ? 20:41 teknkik the irc-server you are connectect on 20:42 teknkik is located in london 20:42 OldCoder ? 20:42 OldCoder Yes 20:42 OldCoder I run a EU server 20:42 OldCoder anunakki, here? 20:42 teknkik so i faile'd and tought that you are from london 20:42 OldCoder k 20:42 OldCoder nbd 20:43 OldCoder RealBadAngel_, I am not seeing any errors that seem relevant 20:43 OldCoder Today 20:43 OldCoder ERROR[ServerThread]: Item "technic:rubber_leaves" not defined 20:43 RealBadAngel_ so why it is down? 20:43 OldCoder It is not down 20:44 OldCoder Can't you connect? 20:44 RealBadAngel_ cant 20:44 OldCoder Hmm 20:44 ruskie btw happened somewhere betweeen: 22:27:22 and 22:39:48 CEST 20:44 OldCoder Is anybody else able to connect to EU? 20:44 OldCoder Let me try 20:44 ruskie I'm not 20:44 OldCoder Process is running 20:45 OldCoder Let me try 20:45 ruskie I was still connected to it but nothing was going on and I wasn't able to do anything as well 20:45 ruskie couldn't even open the door 20:45 RealBadAngel_ Oldcoder, restart it 20:45 OldCoder Sure 20:45 ruskie the reason I can narrow the time is because a friend of mine was connecting during that time 20:45 OldCoder But wait a moment 20:45 OldCoder ruskie, ty 20:45 OldCoder No signs of a problem 20:45 OldCoder Random glitch perhaps 20:46 OldCoder O.K. restarting 20:46 OldCoder Wait 20:46 OldCoder I had better check for database corruption 20:46 ruskie ahh 20:47 teknkik quality celeron55 code 20:47 OldCoder Wait 20:47 OldCoder still copying backup 20:47 OldCoder Nice large world 20:47 teknkik you know i've met him in person 20:48 OldCoder Lunch? 20:48 teknkik last summer 20:48 OldCoder This is odd 20:48 OldCoder Not you 20:49 OldCoder VPS seems slow ATM 20:50 teknkik get a dedicated server ;) 20:50 OldCoder This one is hosted by anunakki 20:50 OldCoder I have no funds I am afraid for more VPS ATM 20:51 OldCoder Wait 20:51 OldCoder Checking database and also cleaning it 20:51 OldCoder After any lockup crash this is a good idea 20:51 OldCoder We don't get too many of those fortunately 20:52 OldCoder No question; VPS is slow today 20:52 OldCoder No CPU load though 20:53 OldCoder 20:53 OldCoder RealBadAngel_, Looks like this may be a ten minute procedure 20:53 OldCoder I am working on it. Necessary to maintain health of world. 20:54 OldCoder RealBadAngel_, ruskie, anunakki and others: This world has grown to a very respectable size! I'd like another tour sometime 20:54 ruskie well I only have a tiny home in it so far 20:55 RealBadAngel_ today there was 6 folks online at the same time 20:55 ruskie but you're certainly welcome to drop by 20:55 ruskie couple of people already did today 20:55 iqualfragile well, i can compile your version of minetest 20:55 iqualfragile but it would be nice to have a good changelog 20:55 OldCoder iqualfragile, Of course 20:56 OldCoder iqualfragile, All of this is pretty new. Check the News section on this page: 20:56 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/mineinfo.html 20:56 OldCoder This all started just this month 20:56 OldCoder I think things are coming along nicely 20:57 OldCoder Actually it was a month ago Wednesday I think 20:57 OldCoder Not bad for one month 20:58 OldCoder No database corruption 20:58 ruskie anyway off to bed work and such in the morning 20:58 OldCoder ruskie, k 20:58 OldCoder Restarting Europe 20:59 RealBadAngel_ ok 20:59 OldCoder RealBadAngel_, Up 20:59 OldCoder RealBadAngel_, see if everything appears to be in order 20:59 RealBadAngel_ sure i will 21:01 ruskie well my place seems in order 21:03 RealBadAngel_ all looks fine 21:03 ruskie hmm noticed something weird 21:04 ruskie the 2 signs I have infront of my entrance have the text at a 90 degree angle to the plane of the signs 21:08 ruskie no wreally sleep 21:08 OldCoder k 21:08 RealBadAngel_ fixed those signs with sonic screwdriver 21:09 RealBadAngel_ i got an idea bout timber mod 21:09 RealBadAngel_ i will make a special powered tool for it, a chainsaw 21:10 OldCoder RealBadAngel_, do you have all of the features you have added written up somewhere? 21:10 OldCoder RealBadAngel_, Should I update Technic now in the U.S. worlds? 21:11 RealBadAngel_ yeah 21:11 OldCoder k 21:11 RealBadAngel_ i do write everythin on forums 21:11 OldCoder Not there 21:11 RealBadAngel_ recipes, movies etc 21:11 OldCoder Is there a document somewhere? 21:11 OldCoder or is it all in a single thread? 21:11 RealBadAngel_ i have to talk to cornernote 21:11 RealBadAngel_ and make wiki for technic some day 21:12 OldCoder RealBadAngel_, I wish to prepare a document 21:12 OldCoder has anybody seen Uberi recently? 21:12 RealBadAngel_ if you want to, could be great 21:12 OldCoder RealBadAngel_, make a note; it is on the list 21:14 OldCoder Preparing to rebuild worlds 21:14 OldCoder Does anybody else have new or updated mods? 21:14 OldCoder Worlds going doown 21:14 OldCoder *down 21:14 RealBadAngel_ im done for today. tommorow gonna code chainsaw and make timbermod workin only with it 21:15 OldCoder k 21:15 RealBadAngel_ so it wont be possible to bring down whole tree just by hand 21:18 RealBadAngel_ it will be easy, whole mod is just 17 lines 21:19 OldCoder k 21:32 OldCoder 21:32 OldCoder U.S. worlds are restarting now 21:45 NakedFury hello 21:46 OldCoder NakedFury, Hey! 21:48 NakedFury finally at home 21:49 Muadtralk http://imageshack.us/a/img440/1197/screenshot2236342913.png 21:49 Muadtralk I have no regrets! 21:50 Muadtralk except the insane fps drops coming from the nyanland 21:53 OldCoder 21:53 OldCoder Hi 21:53 RealBadAngel_ hi NakedFury 21:53 OldCoder Octupus wishes to know how to get Yaw to zero. He states it will not move past 1.6. I will suggest he stop by here. 21:54 Octupus Hi 21:54 RealBadAngel_ NakedFury, 27 new textures today in technic ;) 21:54 OldCoder Octupus, Hi 21:54 OldCoder Octupus wishes to know how to get Yaw to zero. He states it will not move past 1.6. 21:54 OldCoder I am not an expert. Can anybody help? 21:54 OldCoder The goal is to use WorldEdit 21:55 OldCoder 21:55 OldCoder Octupus, go to the world you are interested in 21:55 OldCoder Rotate player until yaw is zero 21:55 OldCoder Press F5 for info BTW 21:55 OldCoder Find SW corner of region 21:55 OldCoder Do //pos1 21:55 OldCoder Find NE corner of region 21:55 OldCoder Do //pos2 21:55 Octupus to copy my castle 21:55 OldCoder Do //save baconworld 21:55 OldCoder 21:55 OldCoder Those are the instructions I have given him 21:55 OldCoder Can anybody comment on the proper way to get Yaw to zero so that SW and NE corners can be found? 21:56 OldCoder Octupus, If nobody answers I will copy your castle myself 21:56 Octupus k 21:56 OldCoder But I can't today 21:56 NakedFury dont really know 21:56 OldCoder I am elsewhere ATM but will return 21:56 OldCoder NakedFury, ty 21:56 NakedFury I guess a new command /yaw zero would be usefull for that 21:57 RealBadAngel_ NakedFury, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmMuDsHGAM0&feature=plcp 21:59 NakedFury ok you bastard that was awesome. even more textures to make 22:00 RealBadAngel_ come to europe.minetest.org 22:00 RealBadAngel_ i will show you somethin 22:00 RealBadAngel_ the biggest door ever made in minetest :) 22:01 FreeFull Could be used for a castle 22:01 RealBadAngel_ or a bridge 22:02 NakedFury in a moment, got emails to destroy 22:09 NakedFury do you think it would be possible to put a constructor with a block inside a constructor so you make a flawless secret wall door? 22:10 NakedFury leave a space and place constructor. put a constructor infront of it looking to the space and a block infront/ press the button and the first constructor takes out the block then it goes inside the constructor 22:13 RealBadAngel_ simply to make 22:13 RealBadAngel_ use 2 nodes version 22:13 RealBadAngel_ block 1 of the slots 22:13 RealBadAngel_ with other kind of node 22:14 RealBadAngel_ so constructor wont be able to pick it up 22:14 RealBadAngel_ and allow only last one to be placed and taken 22:14 RealBadAngel_ so the constructor will be hidden 22:20 RealBadAngel_ i need to make also up/down versions of it 22:20 RealBadAngel_ or some1 will fix facedir 22:21 RealBadAngel_ ok, goin to sleep 22:22 RealBadAngel_ cya 22:25 OldCoder RealBadAngel_, gn 22:56 NakedFury http://screenshotuploader.com/s/01/wv3QwQ7H 22:57 NakedFury work in progress 23:09 harrison http://spasim.org/wordpress/?page_id=19 23:09 harrison mirror blocks in realtime 23:36 NakedFury that mirror block looks amazing