| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:06 |
Octupus |
ok |
| 00:06 |
Octupus |
im not using those so |
| 00:06 |
OldCoder |
k |
| 00:07 |
hmmmm |
hmm |
| 00:37 |
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* NekoGloop |
punches someone |
| 00:48 |
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| 01:08 |
* NekoGloop |
kicks the channel for signs of lif |
| 01:10 |
* RealBadAngel |
kicks NekoGloop back |
| 01:11 |
* NekoGloop |
punches rba's jaw |
| 01:11 |
* RealBadAngel |
takes the jaw, fixes it back, and bites poor kitty |
| 01:12 |
RealBadAngel |
WOOF |
| 01:12 |
OldCoder |
RealBadAngel, be nice |
| 01:12 |
OldCoder |
Do chew on the kitty |
| 01:12 |
OldCoder |
No |
| 01:12 |
OldCoder |
I mean! |
| 01:12 |
OldCoder |
DON'T |
| 01:12 |
OldCoder |
chew on the kitty |
| 01:12 |
* OldCoder |
laughs |
| 01:12 |
* NekoGloop |
teleports away |
| 01:12 |
* OldCoder |
offers virtual chew toy instead |
| 01:12 |
RealBadAngel |
hehehe |
| 01:13 |
OldCoder |
I miss my dog and my cat |
| 01:13 |
OldCoder |
both |
| 01:13 |
OldCoder |
they got along together |
| 01:13 |
OldCoder |
dog can have chew toy instead of chew |
| 01:13 |
OldCoder |
more durable |
| 01:13 |
OldCoder |
kitty won't last as long |
| 01:14 |
RealBadAngel |
my kitty is sleepin rite now on my bed |
| 01:15 |
OldCoder |
Very well |
| 01:15 |
* NekoGloop |
cautiously pets RealBadAngel |
| 01:15 |
RealBadAngel |
woof? |
| 01:15 |
* NekoGloop |
cuddles puppy~ :3 |
| 01:16 |
OldCoder |
Might be pushing it |
| 01:16 |
RealBadAngel |
wheres the bone you kitty you |
| 01:16 |
OldCoder |
Well |
| 01:16 |
* NekoGloop |
takes out the bone he was hiding in his back pocket and puts it in front of RealBadAngel |
| 01:16 |
* mrtux |
peeks through the ceiling |
| 01:16 |
RealBadAngel |
now better |
| 01:17 |
* RealBadAngel |
takes the bon |
| 01:17 |
RealBadAngel |
e |
| 01:17 |
RealBadAngel |
btw im not quite sure ive hit a bug in inv or it is just me tired |
| 01:18 |
RealBadAngel |
if not inv:is_empty("slot1") then |
| 01:18 |
RealBadAngel |
stack1=inv:get_list("slot1") |
| 01:18 |
RealBadAngel |
print(dump(stack1:get_name())) |
| 01:18 |
RealBadAngel |
node_to_be_placed={name=stack1:get_name(), param1=0, param2=node.param2} |
| 01:18 |
* NekoGloop |
wonders if RealBadAngel is partly human like me? |
| 01:18 |
RealBadAngel |
it throws me an error when tryin to call get_name() |
| 01:19 |
OldCoder |
No idea but worth noting |
| 01:19 |
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* NekoGloop |
wonders if realbadangel is partly human, like me? |
| 01:19 |
RealBadAngel |
im a cyborg you miserably mammal :P |
| 01:19 |
NekoGloop |
Haha. |
| 01:20 |
NekoGloop |
No wonder you can fuck with lua so well |
| 01:20 |
RealBadAngel |
lol |
| 01:20 |
RealBadAngel |
my kitty just woke up |
| 01:21 |
RealBadAngel |
and "meow meow", she want to get out for a walk |
| 01:21 |
NekoGloop |
Meow meow~ |
| 01:21 |
RealBadAngel |
shes insane, 3:20 am |
| 01:21 |
OldCoder |
Cats are flexible about things |
| 01:21 |
RealBadAngel |
i have to let her out |
| 01:21 |
OldCoder |
Like human time conventions |
| 01:22 |
NekoGloop |
Cats tend to not care about whether it is dark or light. |
| 01:22 |
OldCoder |
Indeed |
| 01:22 |
NekoGloop |
Due to the way their eyes work. |
| 01:22 |
OldCoder |
They don't know you can't see them |
| 01:22 |
OldCoder |
So possible to trip over cat at night |
| 01:22 |
RealBadAngel |
shes out |
| 01:23 |
NekoGloop |
Also they dont care about temperature. Only what we call extremes are even an effect on a cat's behaviour. |
| 01:25 |
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| 01:26 |
RealBadAngel |
i known the cat that used to sleep in the archaic coal driven furnace |
| 01:26 |
RealBadAngel |
it was cooked once by accident |
| 01:27 |
RealBadAngel |
neighbours have once forgotten he used to hide there |
| 01:27 |
RealBadAngel |
started to cook something |
| 01:27 |
RealBadAngel |
and cooked the cat at the same time |
| 01:33 |
RealBadAngel |
i hate the lua |
| 01:33 |
RealBadAngel |
it had to be indexed lol |
| 01:33 |
RealBadAngel |
one element table had to be indexed |
| 01:34 |
RealBadAngel |
what moron made it??? |
| 01:35 |
RealBadAngel |
shit, ive spent 2 hours chasing why it wont work |
| 01:36 |
RealBadAngel |
LUA, if you had an ass, i would like to kick it badly |
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| 01:45 |
RealBadAngel |
it looks like learning LUA nuances is a neverending process |
| 01:45 |
RealBadAngel |
more i know, more "flowers" i find |
| 01:48 |
OldCoder |
flowers are colorful |
| 01:50 |
RealBadAngel |
at least when you find out the solution it gives you nice feeling |
| 01:50 |
RealBadAngel |
named "i got ya, you bastard!" |
| 01:51 |
RealBadAngel |
rest of coding the constructor is easy |
| 01:51 |
RealBadAngel |
now im just copy/pasting the sections |
| 01:52 |
RealBadAngel |
and thinkin bout possible usage for it |
| 01:53 |
RealBadAngel |
huge doors i knew |
| 01:54 |
RealBadAngel |
one constructor can deploy 3 nodes in front of it, at least MK3 model |
| 01:56 |
RealBadAngel |
push up bridges can be possible then also |
| 01:56 |
RealBadAngel |
pair of constructors can build 6 nodes wide |
| 01:57 |
RealBadAngel |
enough to make bridge over the lava lake for example |
| 02:03 |
RealBadAngel |
im goin afk |
| 02:03 |
RealBadAngel |
need to sleep a bit |
| 02:03 |
RealBadAngel |
cya gys |
| 02:03 |
RealBadAngel |
*guys |
| 02:05 |
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| 02:19 |
T_A_N_K |
should i continue fancy game mode? |
| 02:26 |
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| 02:27 |
Muadtralk |
yes |
| 02:27 |
Muadtralk |
a thousand times yes |
| 02:28 |
T_A_N_K |
minetest just has some severe limitations, like for instance, i cannot even create custom placenode sounds in lua, because i read the c++ and it is set to use the default_place_node.ogg file instead of from the lua |
| 02:28 |
T_A_N_K |
okay, finally someone seems interested in it |
| 02:29 |
T_A_N_K |
I have a work around for it, but being the one who knows how it works, it just seems..cheap |
| 02:33 |
OldCoder |
Octupus, T_A_N_K, Muadtralk wb |
| 02:33 |
T_A_N_K |
ty |
| 02:35 |
harrison |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb-vocFjsqE&feature=youtu.be |
| 02:37 |
harrison |
voxel raytracer film |
| 02:39 |
harrison |
http://spasim.org/wordpress/?page_id=17 |
| 02:45 |
T_A_N_K |
also why does only +1 on the y axis contain inertia? |
| 02:45 |
T_A_N_K |
It should be the same for + and - on the x and y too |
| 02:45 |
T_A_N_K |
x and z* |
| 02:46 |
T_A_N_K |
It just makes the game feel very static |
| 02:50 |
harrison |
you are speaking of the film? i used the word "inertia" incorrectly |
| 02:50 |
harrison |
i meant "friction" or such - i.e. one slows down |
| 02:50 |
T_A_N_K |
I'm talking about minetest |
| 02:51 |
harrison |
nvm then |
| 02:51 |
harrison |
srry please continue |
| 02:53 |
T_A_N_K |
Like, why are commits not getting pushed? This game can be so much more polished than minecraft and i actually just stopped playing technic to come play minecraft and this game feels and performs very unpolished |
| 02:57 |
T_A_N_K |
There should be an api for entities to be mounted to a single point |
| 02:57 |
T_A_N_K |
like have an entity in the middle, which acts as the physical point of a mob, or car, or train or whatever, then mount entities which are not physical to that point, this could create animated mobs. |
| 03:04 |
NakedFury |
technic fan? |
| 03:04 |
T_A_N_K |
yes, i've already created trains and breeded horses and a lot of other things |
| 03:05 |
NakedFury |
relabadangel is making a minetest technic |
| 03:05 |
NekoGloop |
He knows this? |
| 03:06 |
T_A_N_K |
technic is already in my fancy game mode |
| 03:09 |
OldCoder |
T_A_N_K, I am merging patches now but that is just a stopgap measure |
| 03:09 |
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| 03:13 |
NakedFury |
who uses ipad irc? can you tell me the name? |
| 03:13 |
T_A_N_K |
ipad irc |
| 03:13 |
NekoGloop |
Colloquy |
| 03:13 |
T_A_N_K |
LOL |
| 03:13 |
NekoGloop |
Using it right now |
| 03:14 |
NakedFury |
colloquy, paid?? |
| 03:14 |
NekoGloop |
No? |
| 03:15 |
NakedFury |
I downloaded irc999 but that damn thing only gives a real_client_error |
| 03:15 |
NekoGloop |
Yup. |
| 03:15 |
NekoGloop |
Because it's not a real client |
| 03:16 |
NakedFury |
do you have a browser that plays flash videos too? |
| 03:16 |
NekoGloop |
Safari. |
| 03:18 |
NakedFury |
the stock browser????????? |
| 03:18 |
NekoGloop |
Yes. |
| 03:22 |
NakedFury |
that browser sucks. cant watch flash videos on it |
| 03:22 |
NakedFury |
cant wait for jailbrake of v6 |
| 03:22 |
NekoGloop |
Try google |
| 03:27 |
NakedFury |
need 3 monitors: 1 game, 1 irc, 1 hulu/netflix/videos |
| 03:37 |
NekoGloop |
I smell like charcoal |
| 03:40 |
NekoGloop |
I went to a bonfire earlier |
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| 05:11 |
M13 |
Hello |
| 05:16 |
OldCoder |
Hello |
| 05:32 |
anunakki |
hmm what mod are granite and marble in? |
| 05:32 |
OldCoder |
anunakki, hey |
| 05:32 |
OldCoder |
om |
| 05:33 |
OldCoder |
technic granite |
| 05:33 |
OldCoder |
multiple for marble |
| 05:33 |
anunakki |
i see |
| 05:33 |
anunakki |
ty |
| 05:33 |
OldCoder |
forniture and technic |
| 05:33 |
OldCoder |
I am asleep now |
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| 08:12 |
Jordach |
hey guys |
| 08:22 |
Jordach |
RealBadAngel_, morning |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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RealBadAngel_ |
hi |
| 09:07 |
Jordach |
hey Adam |
| 09:08 |
PilzAdam |
sup Jordach |
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| 10:10 |
PilzAdam |
how hard would it be to change the mapgen so that you can define different aliases for different biomes in lua? |
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| 10:12 |
Taoki |
PilzAdam: Unfortunately that's not possible yet. I'm still eagerly waiting for it too |
| 10:12 |
Taoki |
Biomes and some blocks like dirt, sand, etc. are still hard-coded, and eventually all will become LUA |
| 10:13 |
PilzAdam |
thats why im asking how hard would it be to code |
| 10:13 |
Calinou |
Taoki: lua mapgen is slow |
| 10:13 |
Taoki |
Don't know sadly. I'm kinda bad with the code |
| 10:13 |
Taoki |
Calinou: Can't anything be done about it though? It's still much better than leaving hard coded biomes inside |
| 10:13 |
Calinou |
the mapgen's "core" needs to be done in C++, while the "details" should be done in lua (already done!), but minetest.conf should be able to tweak "core" mapgen settings (not done) |
| 10:13 |
Taoki |
oh nice |
| 10:13 |
Calinou |
sea level, lava level, noise intensity and so on |
| 10:14 |
Taoki |
Yes, I didn't mean to fully code all of the mapgen in LUA. But not leave any blocks, shapes or biomes hard coded |
| 10:14 |
Calinou |
only two blocks are hardcoded: air and ignore |
| 10:14 |
PilzAdam |
Taoki, its Lua not LUA |
| 10:14 |
Taoki |
Sory, bad habbit |
| 10:14 |
Jordach |
i'd have minetest.register_biome("<surface_block>", "<type_of_stone>", "tree_types") |
| 10:14 |
Taoki |
Calinou: Really? So biomes are already Lua-side? |
| 10:14 |
PilzAdam |
Calinou, wrong |
| 10:14 |
Calinou |
Jordach: how do you define the location where the biome will be generated? |
| 10:15 |
Calinou |
PilzAdam: not really actually, yes |
| 10:15 |
Jordach |
Calinou, the engine will work it out |
| 10:15 |
Calinou |
Taoki: no |
| 10:15 |
Calinou |
you can use aliases to override mapgen stuff |
| 10:15 |
Calinou |
eg. replace all water with lava |
| 10:15 |
Calinou |
mapgen.lua in default mod :) |
| 10:15 |
Taoki |
I am a bit confused |
| 10:15 |
Taoki |
Calinou: But doesn't a lua script itself decide where wated appears? |
| 10:16 |
Calinou |
nope, it's all C++, because mapgen needs to be fast |
| 10:16 |
Calinou |
and it still needs to be optimized, too :P |
| 10:16 |
Taoki |
ok. |
| 10:16 |
PilzAdam |
Calinou, saplings, tree, leaves, dirt and dirt_with grass are not defined in the engine but the amb's for growing etc. read them |
| 10:16 |
PilzAdam |
thats why i had to code them in my minimal game |
| 10:16 |
Taoki |
That's the type of behavior I'm hoping will be de-hardcoded. So Lua decides where water spawns for instance, but C++ decides on the patterns and whatever needs to be fast |
| 10:17 |
jin_xi |
actually they are in mapgen cpp but #if 0 'ed out |
| 10:17 |
Calinou |
grass growth is in C++ apparently |
| 10:17 |
Calinou |
I wonder how it works since dirt and grass are defined with lua |
| 10:17 |
PilzAdam |
also sapling growing |
| 10:17 |
PilzAdam |
they use default:dirt |
| 10:17 |
Calinou |
these both need to be re-made in lua |
| 10:17 |
PilzAdam |
thats why minimal:dirt doesnt worl |
| 10:17 |
PilzAdam |
*work |
| 10:18 |
PilzAdam |
https://github.com/PilzAdam/minimal/blob/master/mods/minimal/init.lua#L354 |
| 10:18 |
PilzAdam |
https://github.com/PilzAdam/minimal/blob/master/mods/minimal/init.lua#L983 |
| 10:18 |
Taoki |
Calinou: What I'm unclear about is. Firstly, are the nodes / block types for dirt, water and all these defined in LUA? Can users already create their own custom types of dirt, sand, water, lava, anything? |
| 10:18 |
PilzAdam |
and |
| 10:18 |
PilzAdam |
https://github.com/PilzAdam/minimal/blob/master/mods/minimal/init.lua#L860 |
| 10:18 |
Calinou |
all the nodes are defined in lua |
| 10:18 |
Calinou |
Taoki: yes you can |
| 10:18 |
Taoki |
Oh, that's a good part then |
| 10:19 |
PilzAdam |
IMO the best solution is: define different aliases for different biomes in lua |
| 10:19 |
Jordach |
Taoki, minetest-delta is long dead |
| 10:19 |
PilzAdam |
so the engine still creates the biomes |
| 10:19 |
Taoki |
Calinou: So, if only the patterns and mapgen code are C++ (which makes most sense I believe), why can't users make their own biomes yet? Can't they define different block types and areas, and have the mapgen handle it? |
| 10:19 |
PilzAdam |
but lua can set the biomes |
| 10:19 |
Taoki |
PilzAdam: Agreed |
| 10:20 |
Jordach |
wait wait wait |
| 10:20 |
Taoki |
As in, just hard-code the code to generate the patterns and all, but let LUA define the biomes and patterrn properties |
| 10:20 |
Jordach |
what if we want a snow biome with snow layers? |
| 10:20 |
Taoki |
That too |
| 10:21 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, the engine could define a node above grass level and the default biome sets it to air? |
| 10:21 |
Jordach |
it should be: minetest.register_biome("<above_grass>", "<grass>", "<dirt>", "<stone>", "<liquid>") |
| 10:22 |
PilzAdam |
+ "tree", "leaves") |
| 10:22 |
Calinou |
Jordach: there's a snow mod already |
| 10:22 |
Taoki |
Yeah, looking in mapgen.lua I'm seeing an issue. Biomes are indeed hard-coded. You just define aliases as block replacements |
| 10:22 |
Calinou |
Jordach: biome name is needed too |
| 10:22 |
Calinou |
eg. you want to generate something other than clay in that biome and no cactus |
| 10:22 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, + "above water") |
| 10:22 |
Taoki |
desert_sand and desert_stone even are aliases. Not a good idea at all UMO |
| 10:22 |
Taoki |
*IMO |
| 10:22 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, you can develop on that |
| 10:22 |
Jordach |
Calinou, didnt think of that |
| 10:23 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, i dont know c++, only c |
| 10:23 |
Taoki |
I'd rather the user defines a world generator node, and patterns of how and where it spawns. Then the c++ code makes use of that. |
| 10:23 |
PilzAdam |
i can only read it |
| 10:23 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, most of minetest is c anyway |
| 10:23 |
Calinou |
what Jordach said |
| 10:23 |
Calinou |
and C++ is an extension of C |
| 10:24 |
Calinou |
somehow |
| 10:24 |
Jordach |
LUA is the OOP side anyway |
| 10:24 |
Calinou |
since when lua is OOP? |
| 10:24 |
Jordach |
because interpreted |
| 10:24 |
PilzAdam |
btw: it is Lua and not Lua or lua |
| 10:24 |
Calinou |
read OOP backwards |
| 10:24 |
Jordach |
POOP# |
| 10:24 |
Calinou |
PilzAdam: lua is better than LUA |
| 10:24 |
PilzAdam |
but Lua is best |
| 10:30 |
Taoki |
Yeah, hope someone can tweak the biome code a bit and de-hardcode all those aliases, so users can choose the generation pattern and their own biomes |
| 10:30 |
Taoki |
While indeed keeping the code C++ |
| 10:33 |
Taoki |
Anyway, isn't there any large server at all for MineTest? I can't find one in the slightest |
| 10:34 |
Jordach |
minetest.org : 30000 |
| 10:35 |
Taoki |
Tried that one, barely downloading any of the media data |
| 10:35 |
Taoki |
Also set a bad password at first login and now I can't change it any more |
| 10:36 |
Jordach |
ask OldCoder to remove your player file |
| 10:45 |
RealBadAngel_ |
Taoki if youre from europe then try europe.minetest.org:30000 |
| 10:45 |
Taoki |
RealBadAngel_: I am. Thanks, will try that |
| 10:45 |
RealBadAngel_ |
be patient when loading for the 1st time |
| 10:45 |
RealBadAngel_ |
ambience mod is here |
| 10:45 |
Taoki |
ok. What's that mod do BTW? |
| 10:46 |
RealBadAngel_ |
music and sounds |
| 10:46 |
Taoki |
wonderful :D |
| 10:46 |
RealBadAngel_ |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHXfBM3M4Yw&feature=youtu.be |
| 10:46 |
Taoki |
Nice, I can also use a good password again |
| 10:46 |
* Jordach |
suggests Taoki is English |
| 10:47 |
RealBadAngel_ |
ive finished coding Constructor |
| 10:47 |
Taoki |
I'm from Romania |
| 10:47 |
Jordach |
your English says otherwise |
| 10:47 |
Taoki |
RealBadAngel_: Ah yes, mesecons :) I think that mod should also be merged |
| 10:47 |
Taoki |
Jordach: Thanks :D I'm not that good at voice talking but I guess I can write well enough |
| 10:48 |
Jordach |
if i end up hosting a minetest mumble, then ill start doing english classes |
| 10:49 |
* Taoki |
is totally suggesting OldCoder to add the mesecons mod to his version |
| 10:50 |
Taoki |
RealBadAngel_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p35e3ZCdDVU Really love this! About time... hope it's one of the first changes to bet merged |
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RealBadAngel_ |
theres a build already with it |
| 10:52 |
RealBadAngel_ |
http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/c55/minetest-0.4.3-25cf375-extrafilters_chkbox-win32.7z |
| 10:52 |
Taoki |
nice |
| 10:55 |
Taoki |
ok, connected. The minetest.org server is pretty fantastic :) |
| 11:32 |
Taoki |
Trying out the europe.minetest.org server. The mods there are plainly awesome! I hope someone makes a custom MineTest game with this |
| 11:38 |
Jordach |
Taoki, the build OldCoder produces has those mods pre-installed as minetest_game |
| 11:38 |
* Taoki |
totally approves |
| 11:38 |
* Jordach |
heads off into Aperture Science |
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* Jordach |
is bored |
| 12:24 |
Jordach |
sfan5, this should be merged into his other thread: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3457 |
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| 12:26 |
Jordach |
anyone playing on europe.minetest.org right now> |
| 12:28 |
Jordach |
Taoki, are you signed into minetest.org atm? |
| 12:28 |
Taoki |
Jordach: europe.minetest.org |
| 12:28 |
Jordach |
thats what i meant |
| 12:29 |
Taoki |
yeah |
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| 13:04 |
Jordach |
RealBadAngel_, i just found 16 diamonds in 6 chunks and died due to lava |
| 13:04 |
RealBadAngel_ |
nice :) |
| 13:05 |
RealBadAngel_ |
and im sitting and doing textures for constructors |
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| 13:21 |
RealBadAngel_ |
15 textures ready, 10 more to make |
| 13:26 |
Taoki |
RealBadAngel_: Where can I build a house around your area? Would rather not make it far cuz there are few people as is and it gets boring :P |
| 13:26 |
RealBadAngel_ |
Taoki, hold on, i will connect in a few minutes |
| 13:27 |
Taoki |
ok |
| 13:27 |
* Jordach |
has 31 diamonds |
| 13:30 |
Taoki |
Also, is there some menu or command to see a list of all active players? |
| 13:30 |
Jordach |
./status |
| 13:32 |
OldCoder |
Hello |
| 13:32 |
Jordach |
hello OldCoder |
| 13:32 |
Taoki |
hiii |
| 13:32 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, Jordach, RealBadAngel_ A new Debian DEB for Wheezy is posted |
| 13:32 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: Just logged into your minecraft.org server today. It's truly awesome :D |
| 13:32 |
OldCoder |
Oh |
| 13:32 |
OldCoder |
ty |
| 13:32 |
OldCoder |
Try the DEB as I need to test it |
| 13:33 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: NP. Please delete my user file on minecraft.org however (NOT europe.minecraft.org). I wrote a bad password at login and need to change it |
| 13:33 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: Link? |
| 13:33 |
Taoki |
Ah, and my user name is MirceaKitsune |
| 13:33 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, proceeding to delete now. And link is: |
| 13:34 |
OldCoder |
http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/mineinfo.html |
| 13:34 |
OldCoder |
See section 2 |
| 13:34 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: Got the file. Now, to remember how I unpack deb packages on a rpm-based distro... |
| 13:34 |
OldCoder |
Oh |
| 13:34 |
OldCoder |
Don't |
| 13:34 |
OldCoder |
I will prepare a new RPM |
| 13:35 |
Taoki |
ok, sure then |
| 13:35 |
OldCoder |
What is your distro again, please? |
| 13:35 |
Taoki |
openSUSE 12.2 64bit KDE 4.8.5 |
| 13:35 |
OldCoder |
k |
| 13:35 |
OldCoder |
It may take a few days |
| 13:35 |
Taoki |
eh... I'd rather unpack the deb until then |
| 13:36 |
OldCoder |
OK If it works |
| 13:36 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, in 30000 you are deleted but do I need to restart the server? |
| 13:36 |
Taoki |
Dunno, I'll check soon |
| 13:37 |
Taoki |
ok I don't have alien, and deb packages use debian binaries. So yeah, I have to wait |
| 13:38 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, indicate if server needs to restart so you can get in |
| 13:38 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: Still says my password is invalid, so i think restart is needed |
| 13:38 |
OldCoder |
Restarting server |
| 13:40 |
OldCoder |
Restarted |
| 13:40 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, try now |
| 13:40 |
Taoki |
Working, thanks |
| 13:40 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: On that page I'm seeing a build for Fedora as well. Am I correct? Theoretically that one might and should work |
| 13:41 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, One moment |
| 13:41 |
Taoki |
As Fedora is RPM based like openSUSE |
| 13:41 |
* OldCoder |
is writing |
| 13:41 |
Taoki |
sure |
| 13:43 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, you're invited to try that build now. However, RPM distros are very poor distros in general. No offense is intended. My notes show I had problems with that one and it predates recent changes. It may not be worth your time. Proceed but also do this: |
| 13:43 |
OldCoder |
Give me a link to the ISO that you used to install your own distro. |
| 13:43 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: That's ok. I'm still net wo Linux, but openSUSE is very good for me, and doesn't seem poor at all. IIRC it's actually one of the best distros, after Ubuntu |
| 13:44 |
Taoki |
Just a sec |
| 13:44 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, to be clear, poor from a structural perspective. |
| 13:44 |
OldCoder |
Building and maintaining software. |
| 13:44 |
Taoki |
I see. Compared to Windows, it's actually a lot easier for me. But I never tried any deb distros |
| 13:44 |
Taoki |
And the link is: http://software.opensuse.org/122/en |
| 13:44 |
Taoki |
Make sure to select the 64bit version, and bittorrent is best way to get |
| 13:45 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, if you are curious, do this later: Compare the build instructions for CentOS and Debian |
| 13:45 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, I don't have a 64 bit system |
| 13:45 |
Taoki |
ok |
| 13:45 |
Jordach |
Taoki, Ubuntu a GOOD Distro |
| 13:45 |
Jordach |
pah# |
| 13:45 |
OldCoder |
If I build this I may need to build 32 bit |
| 13:45 |
Taoki |
I'm planning to learn Ubuntu as well for knowledge. But I'll only install it on a VM |
| 13:45 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, try to log into server now |
| 13:45 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: Already there |
| 13:45 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, glad to hear it |
| 13:46 |
Taoki |
yeah. Near spawn but not seeing much. I think europe.minetest.org is better for me, but I'm on both so it's all good |
| 13:46 |
Jordach |
RealBadAngel_, how do we make red dye on europe.minetest.org |
| 13:47 |
RealBadAngel_ |
have no glue :) |
| 13:47 |
RealBadAngel_ |
for what you need it? |
| 13:47 |
Jordach |
diamond DRILL HEAD CRAFTED |
| 13:48 |
OldCoder |
|
| 13:48 |
RealBadAngel_ |
use unified dyes red |
| 13:48 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, would you like to build the latest MT yourself? I can write detailed instructions |
| 13:48 |
RealBadAngel_ |
the recepture accepts both kind of dyes |
| 13:48 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: I can try. I already build it fine from GIT, but setting up make and cmake can get difficult sometimes |
| 13:49 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, If you are serious I will spend about half an hour now on the instructions |
| 13:49 |
Taoki |
But sure, post the source and I can try. Just asking that it has cmakelists.txt ready please :P |
| 13:49 |
Taoki |
I am interested in getting it to work, sure |
| 13:49 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, this will take me half an hour or more. Are you serious, then? |
| 13:49 |
OldCoder |
All right |
| 13:49 |
Taoki |
Just afraid of a "build nightmare" is all |
| 13:49 |
Taoki |
sure |
| 13:49 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, I don't even have your distro so the nightmare is more on my side :-) |
| 13:49 |
Taoki |
I still use MT primarily from GIT, but I would like to build and test from your source too |
| 13:50 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, I will write instructions |
| 13:50 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: If cmake is there, does the source need any special instructions for each distro? |
| 13:50 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 13:50 |
OldCoder |
Very much so |
| 13:50 |
OldCoder |
Do as I suggested above... |
| 13:50 |
Taoki |
Fir the GIt version, no distro-specific stuff was needed. Just ran cmake than make and it works |
| 13:50 |
OldCoder |
Compare the CentOS and Debian instructions on my site |
| 13:51 |
OldCoder |
I will write instructions for you now |
| 13:51 |
Taoki |
Ah, I mistead that. I'll look for that |
| 13:51 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, wait a while if you wish. I am proceeding now to write. |
| 13:52 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: BTW: If it's instructions on how to get the packages, I don't need that here. If there are dependencies I only need to know the package names, Yast makes it very easy to install them |
| 13:52 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, It is not that simple. Allow me to write now. |
| 13:53 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: Also, when you have some free time, maybe you can try openSUSE out. I'm curious if you think it's bad after trying it out specifically. Since for me it's the only distro I like, and I consider it nearly as good as Windows in both terms of looks and functionality. |
| 13:53 |
Taoki |
Sure, sorry if I'm highlighting you too much |
| 13:54 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, I have used Linux since the start. I do not mind highlighting. |
| 13:54 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, SUSE is MS-Linux |
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| 13:54 |
Taoki |
ok. And nice :) |
| 13:54 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, SUSE is Microsoft's attempt to destroy Open Source |
| 13:54 |
Taoki |
oh? |
| 13:54 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 13:54 |
Taoki |
Never heard that story |
| 13:54 |
OldCoder |
I have dealt with the issue for a a decade now |
| 13:54 |
OldCoder |
They have an interesting plan |
| 13:55 |
OldCoder |
I keep running into it |
| 13:55 |
OldCoder |
*a decade now |
| 13:55 |
Taoki |
openSUSE is community driven. Nothing related to Microsoft either |
| 13:55 |
OldCoder |
They are doing an end run around everything |
| 13:55 |
OldCoder |
Not actually true |
| 13:55 |
OldCoder |
I repeat, I deal with this in real life |
| 13:55 |
OldCoder |
It has affected my career |
| 13:55 |
Taoki |
interesting |
| 13:55 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 13:55 |
OldCoder |
Writing instructions for you now |
| 13:56 |
OldCoder |
This will take 30 to 60 minutes; possibly a bit longer |
| 13:56 |
Taoki |
I hope nothing bad will happen x.x openSUSE is the only distro I like and I don't want to ever have to switch to another |
| 13:56 |
Taoki |
ok |
| 13:56 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, You do not need to switch |
| 13:56 |
Taoki |
Yes, I mean if Microsoft does anything bad to it |
| 13:56 |
OldCoder |
Distros are like text editors. A matter of personal preference |
| 13:56 |
OldCoder |
MS intends it to be a success |
| 13:57 |
OldCoder |
The commercial version at any rate |
| 13:57 |
Taoki |
Ah yes, I don't use or care about SUSE, just openSUSE |
| 13:57 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, I am writing now |
| 13:57 |
Taoki |
They're two different projects. SUSE split into them some years ago |
| 13:57 |
FreeFull |
Jordach: Can I have build privs then? =P |
| 13:58 |
FreeFull |
Thanks |
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| 13:58 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, Is there no feed from upstream? |
| 13:58 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: If you meant the commerial SUSE, I can understand. If it's a commercial company project there's probably a lot of battle with Microsoft. openSUSE is a fully different story |
| 13:58 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: What do you mean? |
| 13:58 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, Is there no feed from upstream? |
| 13:59 |
OldCoder |
Oh |
| 13:59 |
OldCoder |
Are you saying there is no sync between the two projects? |
| 13:59 |
Taoki |
Ah, that I don't know. No idea, never asked. But openSUSE only comes with free open-source software by default, that many distros do too I think |
| 14:00 |
Taoki |
And Yast, which is the suse-specific system tool. Very very useful |
| 14:00 |
OldCoder |
I see. There is probably some sync. |
| 14:00 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, I am writing for you now |
| 14:00 |
Taoki |
Otherwise I think openSUSE is like all other good distros. Just its own bundle with selected packages |
| 14:00 |
OldCoder |
Give me a while |
| 14:00 |
Taoki |
sure |
| 14:01 |
Jordach |
apparently my ports wont work if minetest is open |
| 14:02 |
Jordach |
omg, opera's web browser has silky smooth scrolling |
| 14:08 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: BTW. Please no advanced system changes in those instructions. I'm still new to Linux and always worried about making my system no longer boot. Wouldn't want to play with overly advanced things if that's possible |
| 14:08 |
Taoki |
New because for about 17 years I've used Windows, and a month ago I permanently switched to Linux for the first time :) |
| 14:11 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, I am writing what is necessary |
| 14:11 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, for anybody who wishes to try |
| 14:11 |
Taoki |
But my system is dual-boot between Windows 7 and openSUSE for many years (also XP back when I was using that). I only logged in Linux occasionally though, and learned it |
| 14:11 |
Taoki |
sure |
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| 14:11 |
OldCoder |
You need not try. But Windows will not be affected at all. |
| 14:11 |
OldCoder |
anunakki, hi |
| 14:11 |
Taoki |
I suspect I'll just configure cmake and it will work, but can't know |
| 14:12 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, probably. But it can be much messier than that for some people. I am writing for everybody. |
| 14:12 |
Taoki |
And, just found a tiny bug: Holding the sneak button (Left Shift) while sitting on a slab causes you to go a little bit up |
| 14:12 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, please start a bug report file |
| 14:13 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: True. I know from other projects... for some building has been a nightmare. Especially on Windows where I needed to get and link dozens of dependencies and compilers. Thank god those days are over :P |
| 14:13 |
Taoki |
I probably will soon |
| 14:13 |
OldCoder |
k |
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| 14:22 |
Calinou |
<Taoki> openSUSE is community driven. Nothing related to Microsoft either |
| 14:22 |
Calinou |
opensuse |
| 14:22 |
Calinou |
want a laugh? |
| 14:22 |
Calinou |
opensuse is like mint and ubuntu: another edition of crapware. even less popular crapware this time |
| 14:25 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, we will make a trade. I am writing general instructions. You will try them as far as you can and tell me what goes wrong. |
| 14:25 |
Taoki |
Sure, if its not advanced system stuff I can't risk doing. Likely not so sure |
| 14:25 |
OldCoder |
We'll see |
| 14:26 |
Taoki |
Calinou: openSUSE is a great distro. Sad many people don't like it :( |
| 14:26 |
OldCoder |
It is Microsoft |
| 14:26 |
Taoki |
openSUSE is not |
| 14:27 |
Taoki |
maybe the commercial SUSE |
| 14:28 |
Calinou |
Taoki: it has the NoOneUsesIt label, like pclinuxos or slitaz or w/e |
| 14:28 |
Calinou |
better use more popular distros |
| 14:29 |
Calinou |
> more packages, > more support |
| 14:29 |
Taoki |
Actually some sites say it's 2nd place after Ubuntu. To me it actually feels 1st place, but it depends on taste so that doesn't cout |
| 14:29 |
Calinou |
after ubuntu, in polls, arch is 2nd |
| 14:29 |
Taoki |
openSUSE is very popular |
| 14:29 |
Calinou |
peanut gallery syndrom |
| 14:29 |
Calinou |
debian is more popular than people may think; it's the most used server distro :P |
| 14:30 |
Taoki |
It also has Yast, a great tool nothing else does |
| 14:30 |
Calinou |
yast is a random packaging tool noone uses? |
| 14:30 |
Calinou |
this is what I hate about linux; the "split" of so much different package managers |
| 14:30 |
Taoki |
It's a whole control panel with system settings, which also includes an install manager |
| 14:30 |
Calinou |
while different DEs are fine, having 150 package managers isn't |
| 14:30 |
Taoki |
Yeah, not a good thing generally |
| 14:30 |
Calinou |
because they have no interoperability |
| 14:30 |
Calinou |
who cares about GUIs |
| 14:31 |
FreeFull |
How are you going to convince people to use the one package manager? |
| 14:31 |
Calinou |
aunt tillie can't type apt-get install <w/e>? too bad |
| 14:31 |
Calinou |
it's not that hard |
| 14:31 |
Taoki |
GUI's are nicer. I like those |
| 14:31 |
Jordach |
hmm |
| 14:31 |
sfan5 |
idea: simply .7z packages 7z x $PACKAGE_NAME -o/ |
| 14:31 |
Calinou |
when I started using ubuntu, I discovered apt-get shortly after, I didn't use the software center at all :P |
| 14:32 |
Taoki |
Yast has a very good repository and software manager. Only other I heard is as good is YUM, but for a gui you need YUM-extender |
| 14:32 |
Taoki |
I suck more... I like a GUI for almost everything :P |
| 14:33 |
Jordach |
okay |
| 14:33 |
Jordach |
my pc is going somewhat crazy |
| 14:33 |
Calinou |
RPM *laughs* |
| 14:33 |
Calinou |
Taoki: using CLI can often be faster |
| 14:34 |
Calinou |
eg. you want to install minetest dependencies required to compile it |
| 14:34 |
Calinou |
have fun doing that through a GUI |
| 14:34 |
Taoki |
I don't believe in this whole idea that RPM is worse than DEB. They're just different approaches |
| 14:34 |
Calinou |
linux is different from windows; that'd a good thing |
| 14:34 |
Taoki |
indeed |
| 14:34 |
Jordach |
^ incorrect |
| 14:34 |
Calinou |
RPM = made by a commercial company |
| 14:34 |
Calinou |
this is why it sucks :P |
| 14:34 |
Calinou |
money corrupts everything |
| 14:34 |
Jordach |
SINCE EVERYTHING IS DONE THROUGH THE WEB NOW; WE ARE ALMOST INDISTINGGUISHABLWE |
| 14:34 |
Calinou |
ubuntu sucks now, guess why? |
| 14:34 |
Jordach |
INDISTINGGUISHABLWE |
| 14:35 |
Taoki |
I don't like stuff made by commercial companies. But if the code is free and open source and it works, I don't mind either |
| 14:35 |
Jordach |
INDISTINGGUISHABLE** |
| 14:35 |
Calinou |
Jordach: browser begs to differ |
| 14:35 |
Calinou |
websites can know your OS :P |
| 14:35 |
Taoki |
Unbuntu sucked for me because it comes with Gnome instead of KDE, first of all :P |
| 14:35 |
Calinou |
KDE *laughs* |
| 14:35 |
Jordach |
Calinou, my point is: OSes are useless since everything can be done through the net |
| 14:35 |
Calinou |
KDE is even slower than gnome :P |
| 14:35 |
sfan5 |
^ i agree |
| 14:35 |
Calinou |
Jordach: without an OS you can't do anything, only get system time |
| 14:36 |
Taoki |
KDE is much better and prettier, for me at least. GNOME looks like windows 3.11 |
| 14:36 |
Jordach |
+1 |
| 14:36 |
Jordach |
brb |
| 14:38 |
Calinou |
both suck; xfce FTW |
| 14:38 |
Taoki |
I think the main issue with Linux are exactly discussions like this: People start arguing that packeges and distros around their area are better, and others suck. rpm versus deb, kde versus gnome, and so on. As far as I'm concerned, all of them are good... I try to keep away from the distro / package wars :P |
| 14:38 |
Calinou |
yeah, wars are useless 8) |
| 14:38 |
Calinou |
Taoki: xfce is usually the fastest when playing games, especially if you disable compositing |
| 14:39 |
Calinou |
the DE _DOES_ matter when you play fullscreen, for now |
| 14:39 |
Taoki |
Really, ALL are good and bad in their way. I just found something around my like, and openSUSE setup with KDE was it for me. I'm not the type of console person, or user who knows a lot of hacks and advanced features. openSUSE and KDE are a lot like Windows... very easy and usable once you learn a bit |
| 14:39 |
Calinou |
although the nvidia proprietary driver supports direct stuff now, allowing for fast rendering regardless of the DE |
| 14:39 |
Calinou |
GNOME has almost no advantage, regardless of shell/fallback |
| 14:39 |
Taoki |
Others however need simpler functionality, and use consoles more. Ubuntu, gnome, etc. work better then |
| 14:39 |
Calinou |
debian should've switched to xfce as default :p |
| 14:39 |
Calinou |
it was a rumor, not an actual fact |
| 14:40 |
* Taoki |
heard about xfce but never tried it |
| 14:40 |
* Jordach |
summons #BSD |
| 14:40 |
Calinou |
lolBSD |
| 14:40 |
Calinou |
Taoki: XFCE is like windows xp |
| 14:40 |
Calinou |
somehow :p |
| 14:40 |
Taoki |
openSUSE comes with all of them. At least KDE and gnome, likely xfce too. You choose what you want at install time :) |
| 14:40 |
Calinou |
while gnome 3 is windows 8 |
| 14:40 |
Calinou |
opensuse comes with crapware |
| 14:40 |
Taoki |
Evenb etter: You can install both gnome and KDE and the rest, and you select which you want at login |
| 14:40 |
Taoki |
I don'r agree |
| 14:41 |
Taoki |
It comes with good software that most distros use too IIRC |
| 14:42 |
Taoki |
As far as I'm concerned though, no distro comes with crapware. I have openSUSE on my system for years, even if I only now switched to it permanently. I've seen nothing to make me upset, except general linux problems |
| 14:42 |
Calinou |
installing several DEs at once is quite bad; the applications get mixed up |
| 14:43 |
Calinou |
Taoki: I know few distros which don't have crapware: debian, arch, crunchbang.. |
| 14:43 |
Taoki |
might try some on VM's out of curiosity to learn Linux eventually. But none of them seemed as nice for me |
| 14:43 |
Taoki |
Thing is I've also been used to Woindows over the years. And I only fancy OS's that have good lucks, GUI's for every feature, so on |
| 14:44 |
Taoki |
eg: I can't stand NOT using a transparent title bar with blur. oxygen-transparent has that |
| 14:44 |
Taoki |
Cuz I dislike interfaces that don't have something like Windows's Aero |
| 14:44 |
Taoki |
Plus Yast that handles everything so easily. But it's all a thing of taste |
| 14:46 |
Taoki |
Really... there's no such thing as "your distro sucks this one is better". Unless that distro is completely unusable and will barely start up and work, which is far from the case. Diversity is nice, but sadly it causes such issues in Linux |
| 14:49 |
Taoki |
Problem is that, software someone isn't used to tends to look as "very bad". It's normal, happened to me as well compared to Windows in many parts. If you're more used to something it will seem very stable and good, while other packages will seem horrible. |
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| 14:58 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, I am still writing |
| 14:58 |
Taoki |
sure |
| 14:58 |
Taoki |
Hope it's of use for everyone and I didn't make you waste time for me |
| 14:58 |
OldCoder |
It is necessary |
| 14:58 |
OldCoder |
It may not be useful for you. We will see. |
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| 15:04 |
Taoki |
Well, I trust my crap distribution ;) |
| 15:05 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, you should do what seems right to you |
| 15:05 |
Taoki |
Correct |
| 15:06 |
Calinou |
<Taoki> eg: I can't stand NOT using a transparent title bar with blur. oxygen-transparent has that |
| 15:06 |
Calinou |
suddenly: windows basic |
| 15:06 |
Calinou |
Taoki: eye candy is not necessary as well as graphics; this is why most distros suck today |
| 15:07 |
Taoki |
Calinou: Some of us want it and like it. Doesn't mean we suck or are weird, we just have different tastes |
| 15:07 |
Calinou |
debian might be fugly (xfce's default theme + the default wallpaper looks simple but nice anyway) but it's crapware-free |
| 15:07 |
Calinou |
it's the girl paradox(R) |
| 15:07 |
Taoki |
Currently there is no reaon I know of why openSUSE has crapware |
| 15:09 |
Taoki |
But, enough distro wars for now. Last thing the Linux community needs, especially newb users like me :P |
| 15:10 |
Taoki |
Enough! My ship sails in the morning. |
| 15:10 |
Taoki |
I wonder what's for dinner... |
| 15:15 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, one minute |
| 15:15 |
Taoki |
sure, no hurry |
| 15:15 |
Calinou |
no furry |
| 15:16 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: I need to go in about 30 minutes. Will be back after an hour or two, and I will try it then |
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| 15:16 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, one minute |
| 15:16 |
Taoki |
Nuuuuu |
| 15:16 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, one minute |
| 15:16 |
Taoki |
yes |
| 15:16 |
NekoGloop |
Meow. |
| 15:16 |
OldCoder |
NekoGloop, hi |
| 15:16 |
OldCoder |
http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/mtbuildlinux.html |
| 15:16 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, This needs a lot of work |
| 15:17 |
OldCoder |
But there is a rough draft |
| 15:17 |
OldCoder |
Of my general Linux build instructions for both RPM and Debian distros |
| 15:17 |
OldCoder |
The code |
| 15:17 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: Why is it so much harder than the minetest GIT? |
| 15:17 |
Taoki |
ok |
| 15:17 |
OldCoder |
Because those instructions are 95% incomplete |
| 15:17 |
Taoki |
will check it out when im back, finishing a house on the server for now |
| 15:17 |
OldCoder |
<--- prefers complete instructions |
| 15:17 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, misunderstanding |
| 15:18 |
OldCoder |
<OldCoder> Taoki, This needs a lot of work |
| 15:18 |
OldCoder |
I meant... |
| 15:18 |
OldCoder |
I need to work on the documentation |
| 15:18 |
Taoki |
Yes, that is a good idea. Documentation is always good |
| 15:18 |
OldCoder |
The build procedure is not very difficult |
| 15:18 |
OldCoder |
Except for some RPM distros where it is almost impossible |
| 15:18 |
OldCoder |
Because Red Hat hates Open Source |
| 15:19 |
Calinou |
why would you want to use a VM? |
| 15:19 |
OldCoder |
Calinou, because I do not actually have large numbers of machines sitting around |
| 15:19 |
Taoki |
From what I know. RPM is just a different implementation of deb. More of a structure. The actual distro differences are what package comes with each |
| 15:19 |
Calinou |
still |
| 15:19 |
Calinou |
there's no reason to use VMs |
| 15:19 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, that is not the issue at all. It is not true. |
| 15:19 |
OldCoder |
Calinou, Oh? More power to you and your large stack of PCs then |
| 15:19 |
OldCoder |
<--- Does not possess a large stack of PCs |
| 15:20 |
Taoki |
What are the main differences between Linux distros? IIRC distros are group of packages under a brand. And the main difference are some settings plus what packages each has |
| 15:20 |
Taoki |
So distros are more of a bundle of packages to install a Linux system with, from what I know |
| 15:20 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, Uh huh. "Some" settings. As in hours of work and things that do not work. |
| 15:21 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, different distros are often entirely different worlds. |
| 15:21 |
OldCoder |
They are not |
| 15:21 |
Taoki |
I meant Linux distros in general |
| 15:21 |
OldCoder |
Just different branding |
| 15:21 |
Taoki |
I understand |
| 15:21 |
OldCoder |
Go on |
| 15:21 |
Taoki |
Sorry, I am new so I'm likely to be wrong |
| 15:21 |
OldCoder |
It is fine |
| 15:21 |
OldCoder |
Ask your question again |
| 15:21 |
OldCoder |
Calinou if you have dozens of PCs your home must be crowded |
| 15:22 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, almost everything that matters to a developer can change radically from distro to distro. There is often little similarity at all. |
| 15:22 |
OldCoder |
In the case of RPM distros... |
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| 15:22 |
OldCoder |
Some of them make it nearly impossible to use git |
| 15:22 |
OldCoder |
At least for novices |
| 15:23 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, ^ |
| 15:23 |
Calinou |
OldCoder: what does this have to do with several computers? |
| 15:23 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: What is the difference between Linux distributions then? I used to think different distributions are different DVD bundles to install a Linux system. Like "this one has KDE and uses Pulseaudio, this one has Gnome and doesn't, but it has this and that instead" and so on |
| 15:23 |
Calinou |
if you want to run "several things at once" use something like screen |
| 15:23 |
Taoki |
I understand |
| 15:23 |
Calinou |
VMs aren't for that kind of stuff |
| 15:23 |
Taoki |
It's good to know this |
| 15:23 |
OldCoder |
Calinou, VMs are needed to build for different distros |
| 15:23 |
OldCoder |
That is the issue |
| 15:23 |
Taoki |
Yes, different distros would have different settings too |
| 15:23 |
Calinou |
a linux binary works on all linuxes |
| 15:23 |
Calinou |
always |
| 15:23 |
Calinou |
it's not windows |
| 15:23 |
OldCoder |
Calinou, Nope |
| 15:23 |
Calinou |
you mean packages? |
| 15:23 |
Calinou |
pfft, packages for games |
| 15:23 |
Calinou |
always outdated |
| 15:24 |
OldCoder |
Calinou, No |
| 15:24 |
OldCoder |
<Taoki> OldCoder: What is the difference between Linux distributions then? I used to think different distributions are different DVD bundles to install a Linux system. Like "this one has KDE and uses Pulseaudio, this one has Gnome and doesn't, but it has this and that instead" and so on |
| 15:24 |
OldCoder |
Taoki I am reviewing this |
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| 15:26 |
OldCoder |
Taoki: Depending on various factors, different distros can be entirely different OSes at the component level. It is not about branding. NekoLinux with Kitty Cat wallpaper. BaconOS with platters of tasty food. Nope. Or about packaging. The libraries are different. The rules are different. There may be little connection from the developer's perspective. |
| 15:26 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, answer ^ |
| 15:26 |
Taoki |
I still know little about Linux. But I think I know enough to say there's no distribution that is crap, unless it's outright broken in all ways |
| 15:26 |
Taoki |
Thanks *reads |
| 15:27 |
NekoGloop |
Who the fuck added "nekolinux" as a HL of mine. |
| 15:27 |
Taoki |
Yes, different libraries are true. And different settings also. Thinking about it, each distro would heavily customize its rules of basic libraries |
| 15:27 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 15:28 |
Calinou |
OldCoder: you're being wrong; binaries run with any distro |
| 15:28 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, Even the kernels are different. Even kernels with the same release number |
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| 15:28 |
Calinou |
I can run sauerbraten from the official source in ubuntu, mint and debian just fine |
| 15:28 |
OldCoder |
Calinou, you know perfectly well that is not true at all |
| 15:28 |
OldCoder |
Ha |
| 15:28 |
OldCoder |
Calinou, those are all |
| 15:28 |
OldCoder |
the same distro |
| 15:28 |
OldCoder |
to some extent |
| 15:28 |
Calinou |
different kernels |
| 15:28 |
OldCoder |
Now... take them to CentOS |
| 15:28 |
Taoki |
That I didn't know. I saw a kernel branding package though |
| 15:28 |
Calinou |
ubuntu with kernel 2.6.32, 2.6.35, 2.6.38, 3.0, 3.2 |
| 15:28 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 15:29 |
OldCoder |
Now... take them to CentOS |
| 15:29 |
OldCoder |
I dare you :p |
| 15:29 |
Calinou |
OldCoder: run sauerbraten from official source and tell me what happens |
| 15:29 |
Calinou |
http://sauerbraten.org/ |
| 15:29 |
OldCoder |
Calinou, you are not being specific |
| 15:29 |
OldCoder |
Now... take them to CentOS |
| 15:29 |
OldCoder |
I dare you :p |
| 15:29 |
Calinou |
see the linux download. it has precompiled binaries |
| 15:29 |
Calinou |
run them, get the dependencies first, it will work |
| 15:29 |
OldCoder |
Calinou, Ubuntu, Mint, and Debian Community Edition etc. are largely the same distro |
| 15:30 |
OldCoder |
Statically linked binaries are reasonably portable |
| 15:30 |
OldCoder |
But even they |
| 15:30 |
OldCoder |
Will not work in many cases |
| 15:30 |
OldCoder |
And Minetest is not statically linked |
| 15:30 |
OldCoder |
To address the issue... |
| 15:31 |
OldCoder |
I have started to statically link parts of Minetest. See my latest instructions. |
| 15:31 |
OldCoder |
But even the statically linked version will not work across the entire range. |
| 15:31 |
OldCoder |
Calinou, how many distros have *you* built MT or other FOSS in general for? |
| 15:31 |
OldCoder |
I have been doing this for 20 years |
| 15:31 |
OldCoder |
|
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* OldCoder |
is AFK for a few minutes |
| 15:32 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, your questions are sensible. We will talk further if you wish. |
| 15:32 |
* Taoki |
has so far found openSUSE is stable and functional with almost any other program, so I'm not worrying |
| 15:32 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: Sure. I'd like that :) I like Linux and those matters |
| 15:32 |
* OldCoder |
has not said to worry. All will be well. |
| 15:32 |
Calinou |
and this is why different kinds of packaging hurts |
| 15:33 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: I can also easily tell you're an experienced coder and very interested in those things too. Really nice to meet someone like that! |
| 15:33 |
Calinou |
distros are getting more and more distro-specific |
| 15:33 |
Calinou |
see fedora |
| 15:33 |
Taoki |
yeah |
| 15:33 |
Calinou |
oh we have /bin? LETS PUT EVERYTHING TO /sbin OR I DONT REMEMBER IT WAS /sbin INTO /bin |
| 15:33 |
Taoki |
IIRC Fedora is most close to openSUSE. I tried it but it simply seemed like a simpler version of it |
| 15:33 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, Calinou thank both of you for your points. They are interesting. Calinou I have talked to Gentoo about starting OpenLinux to fight this. RedHat is proposing changes that the smaller distros dislike. |
| 15:33 |
Taoki |
I have /bin, never heard of sbin |
| 15:33 |
Calinou |
gentoo *laughs* |
| 15:34 |
Calinou |
thexyz: ^ |
| 15:34 |
OldCoder |
Google for the systemd debate |
| 15:34 |
* OldCoder |
will return |
| 15:34 |
Taoki |
Fight what? |
| 15:34 |
OldCoder |
RedHat |
| 15:34 |
Calinou |
Taoki: /sbin stores binaries run in root space iirc |
| 15:34 |
OldCoder |
Moving to take over Linux |
| 15:34 |
Calinou |
systemd is fine; upstart sucks |
| 15:34 |
Taoki |
ok |
| 15:34 |
Calinou |
debian uses the good old init and it's faster to boot than ubuntu |
| 15:34 |
Calinou |
who said upstart solved things? :3 |
| 15:35 |
Taoki |
Great... actual wars betweel Linux distributions. Just when I tought I';; find peace leaving Windows behind :D |
| 15:35 |
Taoki |
*between |
| 15:36 |
NekoGloop |
Leaving windows behind isnt the answer. |
| 15:36 |
Taoki |
Well, I mainly wanted Linux for two large reason (alongside the small ones). 1 - It's free and open source, 2 - It has software repositories, and I can keep my system updated and installations easily, rather than going to 1000 websites to look "for the latest setup.exe" |
| 15:37 |
Calinou |
windows sucks and unfortunately it's sold with all computers |
| 15:37 |
Calinou |
can't stand governments accepting this |
| 15:37 |
Calinou |
some french guy said "we cannot guarantee installing an alternative operating system, so selling the computer with windows is fine" |
| 15:37 |
Calinou |
<_< |
| 15:37 |
Taoki |
Calinou: Windows kinda sucked. But since Windows 8, which now requires a Microsoft account to even log in, yes... it does |
| 15:37 |
Calinou |
linux hardware compat is fine now; just get a nvidia GPU :P |
| 15:37 |
Taoki |
Really though, Windows 7 is very good. So was XP. Others sucked badly, like Vista |
| 15:38 |
Calinou |
Taoki: and it'll be sold with all computers |
| 15:38 |
Calinou |
windows 7 is DECENT, it's not GOOD |
| 15:38 |
Calinou |
barely |
| 15:38 |
Taoki |
I stick with ATI thanks. But there are ATI drivers for Linux too, as hard as they are to find |
| 15:38 |
Calinou |
ati *laughs |
| 15:38 |
Taoki |
And most of my other hardware works. Some even out of the box, which it wouldn't on Windows |
| 15:38 |
Taoki |
Oh come on, you hate those too :P |
| 15:38 |
Calinou |
Taoki: basically, if you like win7 and XP but hate vista, why do you use KDE? |
| 15:38 |
Calinou |
:> |
| 15:38 |
Taoki |
KDE is close to Windows 7 desktop |
| 15:38 |
Calinou |
nvidia is just faster anyway; it is more expensive but it's definitely worth it |
| 15:38 |
Taoki |
And very customizable and modern overall |
| 15:39 |
Calinou |
the free drivers let me play games |
| 15:39 |
NekoGloop |
Calinou: Hates anything that isnt what he's used. |
| 15:39 |
Calinou |
(even though nouveau sucks on fermi/kepler) |
| 15:39 |
NekoGloop |
The traditional asshole. |
| 15:39 |
Calinou |
no u |
| 15:39 |
Taoki |
Calinou: ATI is much closer to the open source communities. Nvidia are the big corporations that restrict and patent everything |
| 15:39 |
Calinou |
NekoGloop: true, that's what everyone does. :) |
| 15:40 |
Calinou |
Taoki: nvidia is actually faster with free drivers |
| 15:40 |
* Taoki |
puts NekoGloop in a more gentle way. Then again we all make mistakes and see things the way we're used to them being |
| 15:40 |
Calinou |
- ATI free drivers require non-free firmware, so they're not 100% free |
| 15:40 |
Calinou |
- the "ratio" free-to-proprietary driver is better for ATI, but actually nvidia is still faster |
| 15:40 |
Calinou |
Taoki: you'll want to buy that random OpenGPU I seen on wikipedia then |
| 15:40 |
Taoki |
I heard ATI is working on the open source linux driver together with the community, and might move to that sometime. nvidia doesn't like even hearing about it |
| 15:40 |
Calinou |
as powerful as a nvidia 8xxx |
| 15:40 |
Calinou |
$5000 |
| 15:41 |
Taoki |
Never heard of that, sounds interesting |
| 15:41 |
Calinou |
I said the price |
| 15:41 |
Taoki |
Thats probably whe I never even heard of it :P |
| 15:41 |
Jordach |
lemme restart my pc |
| 15:41 |
Taoki |
What does it do? Can it cook or fly you like an airplane |
| 15:41 |
Taoki |
Or make coffee |
| 15:43 |
Calinou |
ati's free drivers: slow and buggy |
| 15:43 |
Calinou |
ati's proprietary driver: even slower and more buggy and hard to install |
| 15:43 |
Taoki |
I agree |
| 15:43 |
Taoki |
Calinou: The issue is a different one. There are no open-source Linux drivers that can run 3D games at any acceptable performance |
| 15:43 |
NekoGloop |
Calinou: stupid and idiotic |
| 15:43 |
Taoki |
For either card |
| 15:44 |
Taoki |
The ATI driver included with openSUSE works very well for desktop effects, 2D and that sort of thing. The moment you start a 3D game all hell breaks lose |
| 15:44 |
Calinou |
Taoki: nouveau lets me run 95% of games I play playably with decent settings |
| 15:44 |
Taoki |
IIRC it's the same for the nvidia one |
| 15:44 |
Calinou |
openarena, sauerbraten, minetest, red eclipse, xonotic |
| 15:44 |
Taoki |
hmm... |
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| 15:44 |
Taoki |
Is that an FOSS video driver? |
| 15:44 |
Calinou |
yes |
| 15:44 |
Taoki |
interesting |
| 15:44 |
Calinou |
openarena even runs on llvmpipe with an i7 at 50FPS :P |
| 15:44 |
Calinou |
this means no GPU used at all |
| 15:44 |
OldCoder |
Back |
| 15:44 |
Calinou |
(640x480) |
| 15:44 |
Taoki |
Is it as fast as the proprietary one? All rendering settings working? Do WINE games run on it too (like Need For Speed or UT) |
| 15:45 |
OldCoder |
<Taoki> Calinou: The issue is a different one. There are no open-source Linux drivers that can run 3D games at any acceptable performance |
| 15:45 |
OldCoder |
Not quite true... |
| 15:45 |
OldCoder |
The latest NVidia support seems all right |
| 15:46 |
Taoki |
that's interesting then, didn't know that |
| 15:46 |
Taoki |
That open-source nvidia drivers can run games |
| 15:46 |
Jordach |
this is not #linux |
| 15:46 |
OldCoder |
Jordach, it is about games including MT |
| 15:46 |
Taoki |
Jordach: Nothing better being talked about ATM |
| 15:47 |
Jordach |
i also rebooted since OpenAL clapped out my sound driver |
| 15:47 |
OldCoder |
Nouveau drivers |
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| 15:51 |
Calinou |
Taoki: on a nvidia 8600gt (quite old I know), playing openarena with free driver gets you 108FPS, proprietary one 104FPS |
| 15:51 |
Taoki |
Calinou: That's nice :) |
| 15:51 |
Calinou |
reverse engineering never means "worse" :P |
| 15:51 |
Calinou |
it's not because you have the specs the thing will be better |
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* OldCoder |
back soon |
| 16:02 |
Jordach |
we need custom player leaving messages |
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bulletrulz |
hi |
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| 16:18 |
OldCoder |
Back |
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| 16:29 |
RealBadAngel_ |
Oldcoder, hi, im almost ready with the next update |
| 16:35 |
OldCoder |
RealBadAngel_, that is fine. Say when. |
| 16:36 |
RealBadAngel_ |
testitn it now |
| 16:36 |
OldCoder |
RealBadAngel_, I can almost automate Technic updates for you in EU soon. |
| 16:36 |
RealBadAngel_ |
superb |
| 16:39 |
RealBadAngel_ |
recording new video on constructors usage right now |
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| 17:00 |
* PilzAdam |
is back |
| 17:09 |
* Calinou |
awards Internet Exploder User Of The Year 2012 award to... http://paste.ubuntu.com/1295493/ |
| 17:10 |
OldCoder |
PilzAdam, Hi. May I PM? |
| 17:11 |
Calinou |
OldCoder: don't ask to PM, it's pointless :P |
| 17:11 |
Calinou |
gtg, dinner, bye |
| 17:12 |
OldCoder |
Calinou is gone but it is not pointless |
| 17:12 |
OldCoder |
It is required in some channels |
| 17:12 |
PilzAdam |
it is |
| 17:12 |
OldCoder |
So I am accustomed to it |
| 17:12 |
OldCoder |
I am in channels where you are banned if you violate the rule |
| 17:12 |
RealBadAngel_ |
calinou: lol |
| 17:13 |
OldCoder |
PilzAdam, I suppose I could post that PM here |
| 17:13 |
OldCoder |
a simple mod, shouldnt take long, something that doesnt allow the node lava_source to be placed above coord 0 on the y axis |
| 17:13 |
ruskie |
OldCoder, I'm in to many channels to care for such unenforcable rules... but I find it polite in general to ask first |
| 17:13 |
Jordach |
i see where OldCoder comes from |
| 17:13 |
OldCoder |
That is a request from somebody who has been griefed |
| 17:13 |
PilzAdam |
OldCoder, its easy; just define a on_place_node for lava_source |
| 17:13 |
ruskie |
atleast if I didn't PM the person before |
| 17:14 |
OldCoder |
PilzAdam, I have never written a mod. Though I plan to do so. rubenwardy Yep |
| 17:14 |
Jordach |
OldCoder, which server has been griefed? |
| 17:14 |
OldCoder |
Jordach, quite a few. If you mean that one I'll explain in PM |
| 17:14 |
Jordach |
s/rubenwardy/ruskie |
| 17:14 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 17:14 |
RealBadAngel_ |
video with final versions of the Constructors: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmMuDsHGAM0&feature=plcp |
| 17:16 |
PilzAdam |
is a forum moderator here? |
| 17:17 |
PilzAdam |
can someone move this to old mods? http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2672 |
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| 17:19 |
PilzAdam |
bbl |
| 17:19 |
Jordach |
who is the player nhOmega on europe.minetest.org |
| 17:20 |
ruskie |
me |
| 17:20 |
ruskie |
my alt |
| 17:20 |
ruskie |
because I'm not sure if I registered my primary |
| 17:20 |
ruskie |
and if I did I forgot the pass |
| 17:20 |
Jordach |
then go do so |
| 17:20 |
ruskie |
I tried with my primary |
| 17:21 |
ruskie |
says invalid password |
| 17:21 |
ruskie |
can you check when it was created? |
| 17:21 |
ruskie |
if it was in the last week I wouldn't mind having it removed |
| 17:21 |
Jordach |
OldCoder, check the player file for ruskie in europe.minetest.org : 30000 |
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| 17:22 |
Jordach |
cisoun, ctp10 is epic |
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| 17:22 |
cisoun |
o7 |
| 17:22 |
cisoun |
*o/ |
| 17:22 |
cisoun |
oh hi |
| 17:22 |
cisoun |
thanks |
| 17:23 |
Jordach |
it just needs more mod support |
| 17:24 |
OldCoder |
Jordach, What am I to do with it? |
| 17:24 |
Jordach |
delete and restart server |
| 17:24 |
Jordach |
as with Taoki |
| 17:24 |
OldCoder |
O.K. |
| 17:24 |
Jordach |
(do this when updating technic) |
| 17:24 |
OldCoder |
Also auth entry I assume |
| 17:24 |
OldCoder |
k |
| 17:25 |
OldCoder |
Is Technic ready? |
| 17:25 |
ruskie |
can you confirm it was created during the last few days? |
| 17:25 |
OldCoder |
Checking |
| 17:25 |
ruskie |
I know there's atleast one other person using this same nick |
| 17:25 |
ruskie |
so wouldn't want an issue there |
| 17:25 |
OldCoder |
I can't confirm the date |
| 17:26 |
OldCoder |
Deleting now though |
| 17:26 |
OldCoder |
Is Technic ready? |
| 17:26 |
OldCoder |
RealBadAngel_, |
| 17:26 |
RealBadAngel_ |
puting final touches, in a few minutes |
| 17:26 |
OldCoder |
k |
| 17:26 |
OldCoder |
world down til then |
| 17:27 |
Jordach |
>:( |
| 17:27 |
OldCoder |
Jordach, patience |
| 17:27 |
OldCoder |
I stopped to fix Ruskie |
| 17:27 |
OldCoder |
No point in starting for 5 minutes |
| 17:27 |
Jordach |
i finally got the final bits for my solar panels |
| 17:27 |
OldCoder |
Sorry |
| 17:27 |
ruskie |
are there any client mods that one should use? or are they all just server mods? |
| 17:27 |
OldCoder |
ruskie, I have most of the mods |
| 17:27 |
Jordach |
ruskie, all server side |
| 17:27 |
OldCoder |
on the server |
| 17:27 |
OldCoder |
You are set |
| 17:27 |
ruskie |
ok |
| 17:27 |
OldCoder |
ruskie, what is your OS? |
| 17:27 |
ruskie |
debian |
| 17:28 |
OldCoder |
Which Debian? How new? |
| 17:28 |
ruskie |
I rolled my own version of minetest ;) |
| 17:28 |
OldCoder |
k |
| 17:28 |
ruskie |
0.4.3 |
| 17:28 |
OldCoder |
All set then |
| 17:28 |
ruskie |
is what I'm running |
| 17:28 |
OldCoder |
ruskie, do you wish to try my version? |
| 17:28 |
OldCoder |
With Jordach Vanessa Taoki patches? |
| 17:28 |
ruskie |
what do they do? |
| 17:29 |
Jordach |
adds: texture filters, 3d glasses mode, and apple tree generation |
| 17:29 |
OldCoder |
Filters, anaglyphic, fewer crashes, apples but that is server side |
| 17:29 |
ruskie |
hmm would be willing to give it a go |
| 17:29 |
OldCoder |
http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/mtbuildlinux.html |
| 17:29 |
OldCoder |
All my sources and runtime scripts are there |
| 17:29 |
OldCoder |
Latest mods etc. |
| 17:30 |
OldCoder |
Feedback welcome |
| 17:31 |
ruskie |
why separate build of irrlicht? |
| 17:32 |
OldCoder |
ruskie, following reasons: |
| 17:32 |
OldCoder |
1. Static better if you wish to package. 2. Distro version sometimes has errors. 3. But try distro version if you wish. |
| 17:33 |
ruskie |
well already running distro version with: celeron55-minetest-9696ed3 |
| 17:33 |
OldCoder |
Fine |
| 17:33 |
OldCoder |
And I assume you will not package |
| 17:34 |
ruskie |
checkinstall does the job ;) |
| 17:34 |
OldCoder |
No |
| 17:34 |
ruskie |
but yeah other than my own use no I wont |
| 17:34 |
OldCoder |
That is not the issue |
| 17:34 |
OldCoder |
Library problems |
| 17:34 |
OldCoder |
If you package... |
| 17:34 |
OldCoder |
But some parts static if possible |
| 17:35 |
OldCoder |
*Build |
| 17:35 |
OldCoder |
Somebody page me when Technic is ready |
| 17:35 |
ruskie |
I generally have no big issues with such |
| 17:36 |
ruskie |
still do some work for source mage distro which is from sources so used to a lot of stuff with weild libs and so on |
| 17:37 |
Jordach |
RealBadAngel_ = tekkie |
| 17:39 |
RealBadAngel_ |
shit i just deleted somehow all grinder recipes |
| 17:39 |
ruskie |
any good texture packs for clients or is everyone just using the default stuff? |
| 17:42 |
Jordach |
https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/blob/master/grinder.lua#L12 |
| 17:42 |
Jordach |
nice and safer |
| 17:43 |
* PilzAdam |
is back |
| 17:45 |
OldCoder |
PilzAdam, the other person wanted to know if you'd do the mod. If the answer is no that is fine. |
| 17:45 |
PilzAdam |
gimme a sec. |
| 17:45 |
RealBadAngel_ |
OldCoder, update is ready |
| 17:46 |
OldCoder |
k |
| 17:46 |
RealBadAngel_ |
jordach: i deleted new ones |
| 17:46 |
RealBadAngel_ |
you can check the link you given again |
| 17:46 |
OldCoder |
EU restarted without ruskie and with new Technic |
| 17:47 |
ruskie |
thank you |
| 17:47 |
Jordach |
RealBadAngel_, i will look into making a nuclear reactor |
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PilzAdam |
OldCoder, this should work: https://gist.github.com/3927808 |
| 17:48 |
Jordach |
(finally have a use for that lump of uranium) |
| 17:48 |
RealBadAngel_ |
could be super |
| 17:48 |
RealBadAngel_ |
i have 2 :) |
| 17:48 |
Jordach |
but we'd need lead blocks |
| 17:48 |
RealBadAngel_ |
lets play now with constructors :) |
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ruskie |
now this might sound stupid but how do I mine resources and build... last time I was walking around there I was unable to mine anything or build anything |
| 17:49 |
PilzAdam |
OldCoder, donwload the code and put it in a init.lua in any mod you want |
| 17:49 |
ruskie |
was able to pickup stuff lying around though |
| 17:49 |
sfan5[iPod] |
ruskie: do you have interqct priv? |
| 17:50 |
sfan5[iPod] |
*interact |
| 17:50 |
ruskie |
I assume not |
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| 17:52 |
OldCoder |
PilzAdam, tyvm |
| 18:15 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: I'm back. What is the link to the source, and the instructions you wrote? |
| 18:15 |
OldCoder |
Hey |
| 18:15 |
RealBadAngel_ |
ok, Constructors workin fine |
| 18:15 |
Taoki |
fun fun |
| 18:15 |
RealBadAngel_ |
just made 8x6 doors with them |
| 18:15 |
OldCoder |
http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/mtbuildlinux.html |
| 18:16 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, ^ |
| 18:16 |
Taoki |
Will look |
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| 18:18 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: Got a link to the source code as well? |
| 18:18 |
OldCoder |
It's on the page |
| 18:18 |
OldCoder |
Everything is linked there |
| 18:18 |
Taoki |
ok |
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| 18:21 |
Taoki |
Sorry, I can't see it |
| 18:22 |
Taoki |
Never mind |
| 18:22 |
Taoki |
Downloading source now, will attempt to compile and see how it goes |
| 18:23 |
Taoki |
Sadly I'm not familiar with those instructions. I don't even use YUM, just yast. But I can easily find any dependency package there so no problem. |
| 18:24 |
* Taoki |
is also used to setting up projects via cmake-gui, which is how I get c55's minetest to compile. Will attempt this here as well at first, which should certainly work without problems |
| 18:26 |
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| 18:28 |
Taoki |
Done setting up ckame, compiling |
| 18:28 |
Taoki |
**cmake |
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| 18:30 |
* Taoki |
can't stop laughing at that very retarded typo I just made |
| 18:31 |
* PilzAdam |
is setting a alias: alias ckame "cmake" |
| 18:31 |
Taoki |
LOL |
| 18:33 |
FreeFull |
cat() { tac "$*" | rev | tac | rev; } |
| 18:34 |
FreeFull |
Actually |
| 18:34 |
FreeFull |
cat() { tac -- "$*" | rev | tac | rev; } |
| 18:37 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
| 18:37 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: Done compiling the client and server (two times because I forgot the path and compiled c55's GIT at first). Going to start it up now and see how everything works |
| 18:38 |
OldCoder |
k |
| 18:39 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: I'm in a single player world. Looking good... mipmaps and anisotropic filtering working as well |
| 18:39 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: Are there specific things I should try to do in-world and test what the result is? Like craft or use some items |
| 18:40 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, on the phone ATM but bbiab |
| 18:40 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, try your own change |
| 18:40 |
Taoki |
sure |
| 18:41 |
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| 18:42 |
Jordach |
OldCoder, we found a bug in europe |
| 18:42 |
OldCoder |
Jordach, Oh? |
| 18:43 |
Jordach |
anunaki's bobblock lights in his ice house can be removed by fists but not placed |
| 18:43 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: Anaglyph stereo works. Using 3D glasses now, looks as good as last time |
| 18:43 |
OldCoder |
Conclusions |
| 18:43 |
OldCoder |
k |
| 18:43 |
Taoki |
So yes, it's all good. Only that the settings are still not in minetest.conf.example |
| 18:44 |
Jordach |
OldCoder, RealBadAngel_ was notified |
| 18:44 |
OldCoder |
Jordach, k |
| 18:51 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: It's missing mods from minetest.org however, and the pack is called minetest_minimal. Is that intended? |
| 18:51 |
OldCoder |
Hi |
| 18:51 |
OldCoder |
Wait |
| 18:52 |
Taoki |
ok. eg: There's no animated water... and it also doesn't have the nicer textures |
| 18:53 |
Taoki |
Also, I get corrupt textures in inventory for some reason. Dunno why\ |
| 18:54 |
Taoki |
Yes, my bad, your source comes with the original minetest_minimal game. Your version with all the mods is probably separate. If you have a link to that as well please let me know |
| 18:56 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, Hi |
| 18:57 |
OldCoder |
Off the phone now |
| 18:57 |
OldCoder |
Reviewing |
| 18:58 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, I have not modified the example file yet. I need to study it regarding all the settings |
| 18:58 |
FreeFull |
Anaglyph screws with your eyes |
| 18:58 |
OldCoder |
Jordach, Europe bug is outside the level I work at. RBA would be the one I think. |
| 18:58 |
Taoki |
ok |
| 18:58 |
OldCoder |
FreeFull, It is optional. |
| 18:59 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, My version with all the mods is linked on the page. Did you do the full procedure? |
| 18:59 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: Ok, I'll look again. And I compiled the source you linked if you mean that. I didn't use the instructions there since I'm not familiar with those, and how I already did it worked perfectly fine here |
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| 19:00 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, yes but you are asking more questions that are solved by that page. Go back and do it that way. |
| 19:01 |
Taoki |
If you mean the data yeah, I'll look again now |
| 19:01 |
OldCoder |
O.K. I have reviewed and I think I'm caught up. Thank you all plus Taoki FreeFull Jordach for your interest. Plans for adding patches will proceed. |
| 19:02 |
OldCoder |
All: This has been interesting. I will put more stuff online over time. |
| 19:02 |
OldCoder |
Patience is requested. |
| 19:03 |
Taoki |
Yeah, it's really nice and fun to test and see how things advance |
| 19:03 |
OldCoder |
I hereby request whatever patches people wish to give me; please put them in diff -ruN format. |
| 19:03 |
OldCoder |
We will work out conf file settings and textures and so forth |
| 19:03 |
OldCoder |
I will also... |
| 19:03 |
OldCoder |
Make my entire structure FOSS over time |
| 19:04 |
OldCoder |
So that if something happens to me, you can all continue with this project |
| 19:04 |
Taoki |
Ah yes, the data is working. Really nice like on the minetest.org server |
| 19:05 |
Taoki |
And don't worry, nothing will bad happen :) But I always appreciate how other developers care to make everything FOSS |
| 19:05 |
Taoki |
Im the same way |
| 19:08 |
OldCoder |
Good |
| 19:09 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: Now that I compiled from your source, and got your game data, si there anything else you want me to test? All looks good to me, so if you want me to test crafting or using some specific stuff let me know |
| 19:13 |
OldCoder |
|
| 19:13 |
OldCoder |
Reviewing |
| 19:14 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, are you using (a) my minetest_game (b) my minetest.conf (c) my server client code? If so you are good to go. Just play both single user and a network site. Have fun and let me know. Maybe do this... |
| 19:14 |
OldCoder |
|
| 19:14 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, this week work through my tutorial *exactly* and provide feedback please |
| 19:14 |
OldCoder |
|
| 19:14 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: Not your minetest.conf, but the code and data yes. I'll play then and let you know if i see anything bad |
| 19:16 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, we are agreed. If you are willing, review the tutorial as well when you can. This will be helpful. |
| 19:16 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, Not everybody is as educated as you are. You could be helpful. |
| 19:16 |
OldCoder |
|
| 19:16 |
OldCoder |
See if the procedure will actually work for you |
| 19:17 |
OldCoder |
But it must be followed exactly |
| 19:17 |
OldCoder |
|
| 19:17 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: I already have the dependency packages installed, so using Yum (which I don't use) to re-install them would have the same effect at best. I could try setting up cmake from the console with those commands instead of the GUI like I do normally, maybe I'll look into it |
| 19:18 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, whatever you think best |
| 19:20 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: Probably going to play more on minetest.org for now. But There are some mods which I'm not sure about including, while others which I think are missed. Would you like to hear about it? |
| 19:20 |
Taoki |
just what i think |
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| 19:25 |
arutr99 |
hi |
| 19:25 |
arutr99 |
is enybodu? |
| 19:25 |
arutr99 |
##lostbird |
| 19:29 |
OldCoder |
Hi |
| 19:29 |
OldCoder |
arutr99, Hi |
| 19:30 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, Yes I'd like to hear |
| 19:30 |
Taoki |
ok |
| 19:32 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: A mod I don't agree with is the timber one. It's nice and works, but if you cut down the bottom block of a tree all others fall. This makes it kinda pointless to harvest wood, and the axe an useless item (it's too easy to bring trees down). I'm also not sure if items like the laser gun are that fit for MineTest... especially when laser shots take out whole blocks |
| 19:33 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: Mods I know of which are nice, which come to mind right now (but I haven't seen here) are the workbench and animals mod. Workbench is still buggy, so that one might be best to leave out until it's fixed. Animals worked nicely last time, it's a lot more fun and you might wanna consider it |
| 19:35 |
OldCoder |
R == Reviewing |
| 19:35 |
OldCoder |
Responses for Taoki: |
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| 19:35 |
OldCoder |
1. Timber was suggested by others. Ask for consensus. If people don't wish it then it can go. |
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| 19:36 |
OldCoder |
2. Laser is Technic, isn't it? Talk to RealBadAngel_ if so. Also others. Consensus please. |
| 19:36 |
OldCoder |
3. Workbench is interesting. Tell me when it's ready. |
| 19:36 |
OldCoder |
4. I'd be pleased to add animals. But I've been told they may lead to CPU or crash problems. Is this not true? |
| 19:36 |
OldCoder |
Done. For Taoki ^ |
| 19:36 |
OldCoder |
|
| 19:37 |
FreeFull |
Animals are rather resource-intensive |
| 19:37 |
OldCoder |
FreeFull, go on. How much so? |
| 19:37 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: About 4: I never had any CPU issues or crashes. Maybe someone else can confirm. |
| 19:37 |
OldCoder |
All right. Listening with interest to FreeFull. |
| 19:37 |
Taoki |
FreeFull: Ok then. Wonder why I never had issues if such. Hope it will get fixed |
| 19:37 |
OldCoder |
I could add animals right now just to one world. 30000 possibly. |
| 19:38 |
Jordach |
OldCoder, NO! |
| 19:38 |
OldCoder |
Jordach, speak! |
| 19:38 |
* OldCoder |
listens |
| 19:38 |
Jordach |
animals is horrible - and can hang the server |
| 19:38 |
OldCoder |
No hangs please |
| 19:38 |
OldCoder |
Perhaps somebody can start a lighter version |
| 19:38 |
Jordach |
and i dont think the deadman will revive it |
| 19:38 |
OldCoder |
Oops |
| 19:39 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, if this is true... |
| 19:39 |
Jordach |
since setvelocity will make it loop |
| 19:39 |
OldCoder |
Perhaps a new mod is needed |
| 19:39 |
Taoki |
Would make sense. Though I never had hangs with it IIRC |
| 19:39 |
Taoki |
Jordach: Has anyone identified the exact codes and functions in LUA that cause that? |
| 19:39 |
OldCoder |
Conclusions: 1. I will wait for consensus. 2. RBA will want to keep it. 3. Will wait for ready. 4. Nope. |
| 19:39 |
OldCoder |
|
| 19:40 |
Jordach |
<Taoki> Jordach: Has anyone identified the exact codes and functions in LUA that cause that? - no, animals has become so large no one has the time to |
| 19:40 |
RealBadAngel_ |
of course i will :) |
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| 19:41 |
Jordach |
i might start working on making a nuclear reactor for technice |
| 19:41 |
RealBadAngel_ |
tested all the dyes |
| 19:41 |
Jordach |
WTF |
| 19:41 |
Jordach |
i picked up the light block from the flashlight |
| 19:41 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: Ok. One more thing I wanted to suggest: Now that dropped items are picked up automatically when walking over them (like in MC), could we make all blocks drop to the ground instead of going to inventory? More realistic and fun that way |
| 19:42 |
RealBadAngel_ |
thanks to grinder we can have now both unified dyes and default |
| 19:42 |
Jordach |
Taoki, probably modified for a reason |
| 19:43 |
FreeFull |
Jordach: And add uranium ore? |
| 19:43 |
Jordach |
there already is one |
| 19:43 |
FreeFull |
Ok |
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| 19:43 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: Another small observation: The moreores mod adds too many useless ores IMO. I'd like to see it reduced a bit. If others agree of course |
| 19:44 |
Taoki |
So many of them... not sure which are even used to craft something |
| 19:45 |
Jordach |
they are all used by the technic mod |
| 19:46 |
Taoki |
Ok, they are useful then. Disregard that |
| 19:46 |
Taoki |
Still wish it didn't make so many :P |
| 19:48 |
Taoki |
Jordach: About the animals mod bug with lag: Is it possible to create LUA mobs and creatures without it then? Or does any mob have such issues? Talking about simple entities that roam around and move, and can be harvested for items and the like |
| 19:48 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, will you add to a text file with these points? |
| 19:48 |
Jordach |
LUA entities are slow, ask pilzadam this |
| 19:49 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: Only current one was making all mined blocks drop to the ground, now that items are automatically picked up |
| 19:49 |
Taoki |
Jordach: Ok. So mobs / creatures can't be properly implemented yet? |
| 19:49 |
Taoki |
I mean done at all for a mod |
| 19:49 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, I am interested. I'd like you to edit what you can into a text file |
| 19:49 |
OldCoder |
Get consensus if you can |
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| 19:50 |
Taoki |
OldCoder: Perhaps I should post on the forum |
| 19:51 |
Taoki |
Other than that: I'm seeing some issues with the ambience mod |
| 19:52 |
Taoki |
Not sure if they're because better can't be done. Like eg: Lack of directional and distance-based sounds |
| 19:52 |
Jordach |
OldCoder, building quick enough can override the node ownership |
| 19:52 |
Jordach |
(i could build on rbas land.) |
| 19:52 |
Jordach |
night all |
| 19:53 |
Taoki |
night |
| 19:54 |
OldCoder |
hmm |
| 19:54 |
arutr99 |
who is xh? |
| 19:54 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, I need text files. Post on forum to build consensus if you wish. |
| 19:55 |
OldCoder |
arutr99, a coder |
| 19:55 |
Taoki |
ok |
| 19:55 |
Taoki |
Who made the ambience mod BTW? |
| 19:55 |
arutr99 |
how old? |
| 19:55 |
OldCoder |
Taoki, two people or groups. One moment. |
| 19:56 |
arutr99 |
? |
| 19:58 |
arutr99 |
? |
| 20:01 |
arutr99 |
who is xh? |
| 20:02 |
arutr99 |
bye! |
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| 20:09 |
RealBadAngel_ |
hi Muadtralk |
| 20:09 |
RealBadAngel_ |
watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmMuDsHGAM0&feature=plcp |
| 20:16 |
Muadtralk |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p35e3ZCdDVU&feature=relmfu what is the extra filters? |
| 20:17 |
RealBadAngel_ |
mipmap, anisothropic filtering |
| 20:17 |
Muadtralk |
oh |
| 20:18 |
RealBadAngel_ |
bilinear and triliniear filters |
| 20:18 |
Muadtralk |
it kinda looked like you were using burningsvideo in the conf for a moment |
| 20:19 |
RealBadAngel_ |
those settings are aviable now with just checkboxes in menu |
| 20:19 |
Muadtralk |
i know |
| 20:19 |
Muadtralk |
i saw the pull request |
| 20:23 |
iqualfragile |
vanessae made added that to the game(her fork) after someone worked it out and posted it on the forum |
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| 20:25 |
OldCoder |
bulletrulz, hi |
| 20:25 |
OldCoder |
Muadtralk: |
| 20:25 |
OldCoder |
http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/mtbuildlinux.html |
| 20:26 |
OldCoder |
Review if time permits sometime |
| 20:26 |
iqualfragile |
i will |
| 20:26 |
OldCoder |
Comments from developers are welcome |
| 20:26 |
OldCoder |
iqualfragile, ty |
| 20:27 |
iqualfragile |
split additional setup into additional setup und setting up a sane build env |
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| 20:28 |
iqualfragile |
dont pipe the errors away or you wont get any helpfull feedback: sudo make install 2> /dev/null |
| 20:29 |
OldCoder |
iqualfragile, (a) yes (b) no |
| 20:29 |
OldCoder |
<iqualfragile> split additional setup into additional setup und setting up a sane build env |
| 20:29 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 20:29 |
OldCoder |
<iqualfragile> dont pipe the errors away or you wont get any helpfull feedback: sudo make install 2> /dev/null |
| 20:29 |
OldCoder |
No |
| 20:29 |
OldCoder |
There is a bug in the Irrlicht scripts. I need to patch them. |
| 20:29 |
OldCoder |
make install *always* fails |
| 20:29 |
OldCoder |
For static builds |
| 20:29 |
iqualfragile |
PERIOD=. # This is a period |
| 20:29 |
iqualfragile |
cmake $S1 $S2 $S3 $S4 $PERIOD # Build makefiles |
| 20:29 |
iqualfragile |
why? |
| 20:29 |
OldCoder |
I may produce a patched version of the Irrlicht tarball |
| 20:30 |
OldCoder |
? |
| 20:30 |
OldCoder |
iqualfragile, explain your question |
| 20:30 |
OldCoder |
This is partly for novices who are easily confused |
| 20:30 |
OldCoder |
And who tend to omit or misunderstand periods |
| 20:30 |
teknkik |
good quality spamm |
| 20:30 |
OldCoder |
? |
| 20:30 |
teknkik |
me wants kebab |
| 20:31 |
iqualfragile |
maybee make it one step easyer then: create a scriptfile wich contains all those commands |
| 20:31 |
iqualfragile |
and just make them download that |
| 20:31 |
OldCoder |
iqualfragile, Yes |
| 20:31 |
teknkik |
do you have kebab |
| 20:31 |
OldCoder |
teknkik, In a restaurant maybe |
| 20:32 |
teknkik |
well if they could bring it to my place that would be good |
| 20:32 |
OldCoder |
teknkik, what is your area? |
| 20:32 |
FreeFull |
RealBadAngel_: Did the server crash |
| 20:32 |
teknkik |
oulu, finland ;) |
| 20:32 |
OldCoder |
teknkik, wait |
| 20:33 |
RealBadAngel_ |
dunno, i just logged out |
| 20:33 |
iqualfragile |
oh, cool |
| 20:33 |
teknkik |
no can do bro i'm too hungry |
| 20:33 |
iqualfragile |
i met someone from oulu this summer |
| 20:33 |
OldCoder |
Trojan Kebab looks good |
| 20:33 |
RealBadAngel_ |
needed to switch tp |
| 20:33 |
OldCoder |
They are Trusted for Kebabs |
| 20:33 |
OldCoder |
In Oulu |
| 20:33 |
teknkik |
lol :P |
| 20:33 |
teknkik |
Tuira döner kebab for tha win |
| 20:34 |
teknkik |
that was some good kebab |
| 20:34 |
OldCoder |
(08) 882 1302 |
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OldCoder |
Phone them. They will kebab you |
| 20:34 |
teknkik |
:P |
| 20:34 |
OldCoder |
Pakkahuoneenkatu 8, Oulu |
| 20:34 |
OldCoder |
Nearby? |
| 20:34 |
teknkik |
like 2km |
| 20:34 |
RealBadAngel_ |
OldCoder: looks like EU crashed, can you check why? |
| 20:34 |
OldCoder |
RealBadAngel_, yes |
| 20:35 |
OldCoder |
teknkik, good luck with kebabs. 2km is not far. |
| 20:35 |
iqualfragile |
you have quite a dangerous river in oulu |
| 20:35 |
teknkik |
well idk if theyre open and i can eat something from the fridge |
| 20:35 |
OldCoder |
Yes it is late already here |
| 20:35 |
OldCoder |
*there |
| 20:35 |
teknkik |
23:35 |
| 20:35 |
OldCoder |
RealBadAngel_, reviewing |
| 20:35 |
OldCoder |
teknkik, you may go kebabless I am sorry |
| 20:36 |
teknkik |
well maybe i can get some tomorrow |
| 20:36 |
iqualfragile |
additonaly it might be cold and dark up there |
| 20:36 |
teknkik |
it's like -2 and pretty dark |
| 20:36 |
OldCoder |
RealBadAngel_, when did this crash happen? |
| 20:36 |
OldCoder |
How many minutes ago? |
| 20:36 |
iqualfragile |
cool |
| 20:37 |
RealBadAngel_ |
im not sure, was afk |
| 20:37 |
iqualfragile |
whe had quite good weather here for the last days |
| 20:37 |
teknkik |
it's really depressing here atm |
| 20:37 |
OldCoder |
RealBadAngel_, I'd need to know roughly when but I am checking |
| 20:38 |
RealBadAngel_ |
grep for "error" |
| 20:38 |
OldCoder |
RealBadAngel_, coming |
| 20:39 |
OldCoder |
http://minetest.org/errors.txt |
| 20:40 |
OldCoder |
RealBadAngel_, ^ |
| 20:40 |
OldCoder |
That is everything for days |
| 20:40 |
iqualfragile |
well, that triggers a 404 |
| 20:40 |
OldCoder |
Wait |
| 20:40 |
OldCoder |
Wrong site |
| 20:40 |
OldCoder |
Sorry |
| 20:40 |
teknkik |
OldCoder: u from london? :o |
| 20:41 |
OldCoder |
No |
| 20:41 |
teknkik |
oh it was ur server :D failz |
| 20:41 |
OldCoder |
? |
| 20:41 |
teknkik |
the irc-server you are connectect on |
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teknkik |
is located in london |
| 20:42 |
OldCoder |
? |
| 20:42 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 20:42 |
OldCoder |
I run a EU server |
| 20:42 |
OldCoder |
anunakki, here? |
| 20:42 |
teknkik |
so i faile'd and tought that you are from london |
| 20:42 |
OldCoder |
k |
| 20:42 |
OldCoder |
nbd |
| 20:43 |
OldCoder |
RealBadAngel_, I am not seeing any errors that seem relevant |
| 20:43 |
OldCoder |
Today |
| 20:43 |
OldCoder |
ERROR[ServerThread]: Item "technic:rubber_leaves" not defined |
| 20:43 |
RealBadAngel_ |
so why it is down? |
| 20:43 |
OldCoder |
It is not down |
| 20:44 |
OldCoder |
Can't you connect? |
| 20:44 |
RealBadAngel_ |
cant |
| 20:44 |
OldCoder |
Hmm |
| 20:44 |
ruskie |
btw happened somewhere betweeen: 22:27:22 and 22:39:48 CEST |
| 20:44 |
OldCoder |
Is anybody else able to connect to EU? |
| 20:44 |
OldCoder |
Let me try |
| 20:44 |
ruskie |
I'm not |
| 20:44 |
OldCoder |
Process is running |
| 20:45 |
OldCoder |
Let me try |
| 20:45 |
ruskie |
I was still connected to it but nothing was going on and I wasn't able to do anything as well |
| 20:45 |
ruskie |
couldn't even open the door |
| 20:45 |
RealBadAngel_ |
Oldcoder, restart it |
| 20:45 |
OldCoder |
Sure |
| 20:45 |
ruskie |
the reason I can narrow the time is because a friend of mine was connecting during that time |
| 20:45 |
OldCoder |
But wait a moment |
| 20:45 |
OldCoder |
ruskie, ty |
| 20:45 |
OldCoder |
No signs of a problem |
| 20:45 |
OldCoder |
Random glitch perhaps |
| 20:46 |
OldCoder |
O.K. restarting |
| 20:46 |
OldCoder |
Wait |
| 20:46 |
OldCoder |
I had better check for database corruption |
| 20:46 |
ruskie |
ahh |
| 20:47 |
teknkik |
quality celeron55 code |
| 20:47 |
OldCoder |
Wait |
| 20:47 |
OldCoder |
still copying backup |
| 20:47 |
OldCoder |
Nice large world |
| 20:47 |
teknkik |
you know i've met him in person |
| 20:48 |
OldCoder |
Lunch? |
| 20:48 |
teknkik |
last summer |
| 20:48 |
OldCoder |
This is odd |
| 20:48 |
OldCoder |
Not you |
| 20:49 |
OldCoder |
VPS seems slow ATM |
| 20:50 |
teknkik |
get a dedicated server ;) |
| 20:50 |
OldCoder |
This one is hosted by anunakki |
| 20:50 |
OldCoder |
I have no funds I am afraid for more VPS ATM |
| 20:51 |
OldCoder |
Wait |
| 20:51 |
OldCoder |
Checking database and also cleaning it |
| 20:51 |
OldCoder |
After any lockup crash this is a good idea |
| 20:51 |
OldCoder |
We don't get too many of those fortunately |
| 20:52 |
OldCoder |
No question; VPS is slow today |
| 20:52 |
OldCoder |
No CPU load though |
| 20:53 |
OldCoder |
|
| 20:53 |
OldCoder |
RealBadAngel_, Looks like this may be a ten minute procedure |
| 20:53 |
OldCoder |
I am working on it. Necessary to maintain health of world. |
| 20:54 |
OldCoder |
RealBadAngel_, ruskie, anunakki and others: This world has grown to a very respectable size! I'd like another tour sometime |
| 20:54 |
ruskie |
well I only have a tiny home in it so far |
| 20:55 |
RealBadAngel_ |
today there was 6 folks online at the same time |
| 20:55 |
ruskie |
but you're certainly welcome to drop by |
| 20:55 |
ruskie |
couple of people already did today |
| 20:55 |
iqualfragile |
well, i can compile your version of minetest |
| 20:55 |
iqualfragile |
but it would be nice to have a good changelog |
| 20:55 |
OldCoder |
iqualfragile, Of course |
| 20:56 |
OldCoder |
iqualfragile, All of this is pretty new. Check the News section on this page: |
| 20:56 |
OldCoder |
http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/mineinfo.html |
| 20:56 |
OldCoder |
This all started just this month |
| 20:56 |
OldCoder |
I think things are coming along nicely |
| 20:57 |
OldCoder |
Actually it was a month ago Wednesday I think |
| 20:57 |
OldCoder |
Not bad for one month |
| 20:58 |
OldCoder |
No database corruption |
| 20:58 |
ruskie |
anyway off to bed work and such in the morning |
| 20:58 |
OldCoder |
ruskie, k |
| 20:58 |
OldCoder |
Restarting Europe |
| 20:59 |
RealBadAngel_ |
ok |
| 20:59 |
OldCoder |
RealBadAngel_, Up |
| 20:59 |
OldCoder |
RealBadAngel_, see if everything appears to be in order |
| 20:59 |
RealBadAngel_ |
sure i will |
| 21:01 |
ruskie |
well my place seems in order |
| 21:03 |
RealBadAngel_ |
all looks fine |
| 21:03 |
ruskie |
hmm noticed something weird |
| 21:04 |
ruskie |
the 2 signs I have infront of my entrance have the text at a 90 degree angle to the plane of the signs |
| 21:08 |
ruskie |
no wreally sleep |
| 21:08 |
OldCoder |
k |
| 21:08 |
RealBadAngel_ |
fixed those signs with sonic screwdriver |
| 21:09 |
RealBadAngel_ |
i got an idea bout timber mod |
| 21:09 |
RealBadAngel_ |
i will make a special powered tool for it, a chainsaw |
| 21:10 |
OldCoder |
RealBadAngel_, do you have all of the features you have added written up somewhere? |
| 21:10 |
OldCoder |
RealBadAngel_, Should I update Technic now in the U.S. worlds? |
| 21:11 |
RealBadAngel_ |
yeah |
| 21:11 |
OldCoder |
k |
| 21:11 |
RealBadAngel_ |
i do write everythin on forums |
| 21:11 |
OldCoder |
Not there |
| 21:11 |
RealBadAngel_ |
recipes, movies etc |
| 21:11 |
OldCoder |
Is there a document somewhere? |
| 21:11 |
OldCoder |
or is it all in a single thread? |
| 21:11 |
RealBadAngel_ |
i have to talk to cornernote |
| 21:11 |
RealBadAngel_ |
and make wiki for technic some day |
| 21:12 |
OldCoder |
RealBadAngel_, I wish to prepare a document |
| 21:12 |
OldCoder |
has anybody seen Uberi recently? |
| 21:12 |
RealBadAngel_ |
if you want to, could be great |
| 21:12 |
OldCoder |
RealBadAngel_, make a note; it is on the list |
| 21:14 |
OldCoder |
Preparing to rebuild worlds |
| 21:14 |
OldCoder |
Does anybody else have new or updated mods? |
| 21:14 |
OldCoder |
Worlds going doown |
| 21:14 |
OldCoder |
*down |
| 21:14 |
RealBadAngel_ |
im done for today. tommorow gonna code chainsaw and make timbermod workin only with it |
| 21:15 |
OldCoder |
k |
| 21:15 |
RealBadAngel_ |
so it wont be possible to bring down whole tree just by hand |
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RealBadAngel_ |
it will be easy, whole mod is just 17 lines |
| 21:19 |
OldCoder |
k |
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OldCoder |
|
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OldCoder |
U.S. worlds are restarting now |
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NakedFury |
hello |
| 21:46 |
OldCoder |
NakedFury, Hey! |
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NakedFury |
finally at home |
| 21:49 |
Muadtralk |
http://imageshack.us/a/img440/1197/screenshot2236342913.png |
| 21:49 |
Muadtralk |
I have no regrets! |
| 21:50 |
Muadtralk |
except the insane fps drops coming from the nyanland |
| 21:53 |
OldCoder |
|
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OldCoder |
Hi |
| 21:53 |
RealBadAngel_ |
hi NakedFury |
| 21:53 |
OldCoder |
Octupus wishes to know how to get Yaw to zero. He states it will not move past 1.6. I will suggest he stop by here. |
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Octupus |
Hi |
| 21:54 |
RealBadAngel_ |
NakedFury, 27 new textures today in technic ;) |
| 21:54 |
OldCoder |
Octupus, Hi |
| 21:54 |
OldCoder |
Octupus wishes to know how to get Yaw to zero. He states it will not move past 1.6. |
| 21:54 |
OldCoder |
I am not an expert. Can anybody help? |
| 21:54 |
OldCoder |
The goal is to use WorldEdit |
| 21:55 |
OldCoder |
|
| 21:55 |
OldCoder |
<OldCoder> Octupus, go to the world you are interested in |
| 21:55 |
OldCoder |
<OldCoder> Rotate player until yaw is zero |
| 21:55 |
OldCoder |
<OldCoder> Press F5 for info BTW |
| 21:55 |
OldCoder |
<OldCoder> Find SW corner of region |
| 21:55 |
OldCoder |
<OldCoder> Do //pos1 |
| 21:55 |
OldCoder |
<OldCoder> Find NE corner of region |
| 21:55 |
OldCoder |
<OldCoder> Do //pos2 |
| 21:55 |
Octupus |
to copy my castle |
| 21:55 |
OldCoder |
<OldCoder> Do //save baconworld |
| 21:55 |
OldCoder |
|
| 21:55 |
OldCoder |
Those are the instructions I have given him |
| 21:55 |
OldCoder |
Can anybody comment on the proper way to get Yaw to zero so that SW and NE corners can be found? |
| 21:56 |
OldCoder |
Octupus, If nobody answers I will copy your castle myself |
| 21:56 |
Octupus |
k |
| 21:56 |
OldCoder |
But I can't today |
| 21:56 |
NakedFury |
dont really know |
| 21:56 |
OldCoder |
I am elsewhere ATM but will return |
| 21:56 |
OldCoder |
NakedFury, ty |
| 21:56 |
NakedFury |
I guess a new command /yaw zero would be usefull for that |
| 21:57 |
RealBadAngel_ |
NakedFury, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmMuDsHGAM0&feature=plcp |
| 21:59 |
NakedFury |
ok you bastard that was awesome. even more textures to make |
| 22:00 |
RealBadAngel_ |
come to europe.minetest.org |
| 22:00 |
RealBadAngel_ |
i will show you somethin |
| 22:00 |
RealBadAngel_ |
the biggest door ever made in minetest :) |
| 22:01 |
FreeFull |
Could be used for a castle |
| 22:01 |
RealBadAngel_ |
or a bridge |
| 22:02 |
NakedFury |
in a moment, got emails to destroy |
| 22:09 |
NakedFury |
do you think it would be possible to put a constructor with a block inside a constructor so you make a flawless secret wall door? |
| 22:10 |
NakedFury |
leave a space and place constructor. put a constructor infront of it looking to the space and a block infront/ press the button and the first constructor takes out the block then it goes inside the constructor |
| 22:13 |
RealBadAngel_ |
simply to make |
| 22:13 |
RealBadAngel_ |
use 2 nodes version |
| 22:13 |
RealBadAngel_ |
block 1 of the slots |
| 22:13 |
RealBadAngel_ |
with other kind of node |
| 22:14 |
RealBadAngel_ |
so constructor wont be able to pick it up |
| 22:14 |
RealBadAngel_ |
and allow only last one to be placed and taken |
| 22:14 |
RealBadAngel_ |
so the constructor will be hidden |
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RealBadAngel_ |
i need to make also up/down versions of it |
| 22:20 |
RealBadAngel_ |
or some1 will fix facedir |
| 22:21 |
RealBadAngel_ |
ok, goin to sleep |
| 22:22 |
RealBadAngel_ |
cya |
| 22:25 |
OldCoder |
RealBadAngel_, gn |
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NakedFury |
http://screenshotuploader.com/s/01/wv3QwQ7H |
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NakedFury |
work in progress |
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harrison |
http://spasim.org/wordpress/?page_id=19 |
| 23:09 |
harrison |
mirror blocks in realtime |
| 23:36 |
NakedFury |
that mirror block looks amazing |
