Time  Nick               Message
00:00 milleja46          and the fact I broke my hand I couldn't play for 8 weeks
00:00 milleja46          in those 8 weeks it died XD
00:00 Octupus            every1 went to gameboom
00:00 Octupus            because of me
00:00 ecube              I forgot my freedns password
00:00 milleja46          Octupus: because of landmine
00:00 Octupus            ask any1 who was on
00:00 VanessaE           M13_: besides, I don't set forum policy - c55 does.  He brought it up, not me.
00:00 M13_               And i guess i dont have brains because i cant make a hack client!
00:00 milleja46          I hate that guy with a passion
00:00 milleja46          still
00:00 ecube              I wish his mansion wasn't griefed
00:00 ecube              it was incredible
00:00 M13_               ive tried
00:00 ecube              :\
00:01 Octupus            it was deadman that dd it
00:01 milleja46          ecube: what do you expect? he was a griefer I didn't see a reason to stop it when he had hurt most of us that did play on your server everyonce in awhile....
00:01 VanessaE           M13_: and furthermore, I don't control what c55 says.  don't like his pattern of speech?  say something to him about it :-)
00:01 Octupus            m13 im stuck 29998 in the air and no shout
00:01 milleja46          I miss max and playing with him on ecube 's server :P
00:01 ecube              You're willing to destroy an amazing creation because its creator was a bad person.
00:01 Octupus            i miss every1
00:01 khonkhortisan      if you make a hack client, do something more complicated than god mode.
00:01 ecube              ^
00:02 milleja46          ecube: I didn't take part in distroying it
00:02 VanessaE           milleja46: there is a "Max" that plays on redcrab's server, not sure if he's the same person
00:02 M13_               is he around
00:02 Octupus            max is an ass
00:02 M13_               He hasnt been active
00:02 milleja46          I just didn't stop it after all the destruction landmine did to me
00:02 Octupus            just saying
00:02 ecube              Max IS an ass... remember what he threatened to do when i removed his privileges?
00:02 VanessaE           M13_: he hasn't been hanging around in here, and I haven't seen a whole lot of activity from him on -dev either lately
00:02 milleja46          landmine had destroyed at least 4 different houses i started building
00:02 VanessaE           (some, but not much)
00:02 milleja46          the first 2 on the first map on ecube 's server
00:03 Octupus            i liked sealife cove :D
00:03 Octupus            until landmine griefied it
00:03 ecube              i'll just make a new server in creative mode and no damage
00:03 M13_               mk
00:03 Octupus            and trapped ppl in steel blocks
00:03 M13_               ill email him
00:03 milleja46          Octupus: i liked my town, until landmine moved in
00:03 Octupus            yep
00:03 ecube              ima iptables him again
00:03 Octupus            m13 im on your server
00:03 Octupus            stuck btw
00:03 milleja46          eww I hate creative, i like survival....it's fun to try and survive as long as there's no landmine
00:04 ecube              try to survive. ...
00:04 khonkhortisan      you die by running off a cliff
00:04 ecube              lol
00:04 milleja46          (I still have yet to find a good reliable mac build)
00:04 milleja46          kinda why I started playing minecraft >_>
00:04 VanessaE           M13_: and I stand behind my "lack of common sense" comment in that log - if someone is repeatedly told "no, we will not give you that" and they go from just requesting to demanding as if it's some natural right, that person exhibits some lack of common sense at least in that subject.
00:04 M13_               PS : and thanks to c55 Im starting to move away from Minetest but He dont care all he cares about is him and that is IT
00:04 * milleja46        wonders why he wants to type mincecraft so much
00:04 ecube              lol
00:05 ecube              mincetest
00:05 ecube              ;d
00:05 khonkhortisan      your comment lagged from what it was responding to due to message length and typing speed
00:05 VanessaE           M13_: most of us have noticed that :-/
00:05 Octupus            SHUSH celeron55 sees all
00:05 Octupus            (o)(o'0
00:05 * milleja46        wonders what it would be like to have a mutiny on minetest XD
00:06 ecube              ;)
00:06 VanessaE           celeron55:  piss off ;)
00:06 M13_               I dont think anyone cares about people like me anyway Ive tried to make something of myself in minetest but ppl just shoot my ideas and mods ect. down
00:06 ecube              VanessaE:
00:06 khonkhortisan      we're going to fork your project on github! muahahaha! <- is what a mutiny would look like
00:06 ecube              ^
00:06 VanessaE           M13_: the problem is you don't give people enough time to get used to you and/or your projects.
00:06 milleja46          khonkhortisan: true
00:06 Octupus            m13 can i be admin on yo server
00:07 milleja46          khonkhortisan: wouldn't be that hard if you think about it
00:07 M13_               Because ppl dont help me
00:07 Octupus            i try to help m13
00:07 milleja46          though me and tuqz have been trying to write a minetest rewrite(without minetest as a ref)
00:07 M13_               OldCoder is the only one that has ever helped
00:07 Octupus            :o
00:07 Octupus            havent i helped b4
00:07 khonkhortisan      ugh not the flickr-doesn't-give-me-direct-links thing again!
00:07 VanessaE           M13_: people try to help, but if you won't accept the help offered and respect others who offer it, that help will stop.
00:07 * milleja46        still has to learn c++ XD
00:08 VanessaE           I have tried to help too, as you no doubt recall.
00:08 M13_               tried? ok
00:08 VanessaE           khonkhortisan: ompldr is your friend :-)
00:08 VanessaE           â„¢
00:08 milleja46          c++ is a pain to learn when you can't concentrate XD
00:08 M13_               No one even tried to help me with github >:|
00:09 VanessaE           milleja46:  Lua is a pain to learn even when you *can* concentrate
00:09 M13_               btw Lua is easy
00:09 ecube              no
00:09 ecube              fuck no
00:09 VanessaE           M13_: didn't you say you gave up on that?
00:09 ecube              it isn't easy
00:09 M13_               what github?
00:09 VanessaE           I didn'
00:09 M13_               no
00:09 VanessaE           yeah
00:09 VanessaE           using windows right?
00:09 M13_               NO
00:09 M13_               never
00:10 VanessaE           ok
00:10 milleja46          VanessaE: well I got through a portion of a c++ free course offered through school...made it through the first few chapters and then couldn't figure out how to stay focused since people kept disrupting me XD
00:10 M13_               is krays server up?
00:10 Octupus            so i guess i didnt help at all :l
00:10 milleja46          amd when I say free course I mean a free subscription to lynda
00:10 khonkhortisan      Is it acceptable to make a pull request where the only information is before-and-after pictures?
00:10 M13_               Octupus you did and yes you can be Mod on my server
00:11 Octupus            ok
00:11 ecube              can i be admin? :3
00:11 ecube              lol don't do it
00:11 VanessaE           milleja46: Oh, Some exception?  you say on line 501783462432 ?  but the calling program was on line 5672543423524?  Let me see.... no, that's good.  no...  no, that should work fine...  this one's okay too...  this one--oops, ah missed a comma buried under 5000 kB of actual code
00:11 ecube              i didn't log on yet
00:11 ecube              and i'm not sure about logging on :o
00:11 Octupus            thanks m13
00:12 Octupus            u can be admin on my server :D
00:12 khonkhortisan      I think I'll just do it anyway.
00:12 milleja46          VanessaE: granted errors reported by debuggers and such are not very descriptive :-\
00:12 M13_               Does anyone have ideas on how im going to be more popular on Minetest (I guess my server is popular :)
00:12 VanessaE           milleja46: that's putting it mildly :-)
00:12 ecube              lol
00:12 milleja46          python's errors are a little easier to understand
00:12 ecube              be nice
00:12 ecube              milleja46: YES
00:12 M13_               be nice
00:12 ecube              imagine coding mt in python
00:12 VanessaE           M13_: time, your collection of mods, and how well yo manage your server are the best tips
00:12 VanessaE           you*
00:12 ecube              ^
00:12 Octupus            m13
00:13 Octupus            i got an idea
00:13 milleja46          ecube: yea it would be less code, but run slower
00:13 VanessaE           python?  byte your tongue
00:13 M13_               yes
00:13 milleja46          VanessaE: ha computer humor
00:13 VanessaE           (at least you didn't suggest Perl)
00:13 Octupus            build the best version of mt u can
00:13 milleja46          VanessaE: eww perl
00:13 Octupus            better the mt
00:13 milleja46          I'd rather find a perl in a clam
00:13 M13_               i did
00:13 Octupus            better than mc itself
00:13 Octupus            make your own textures
00:13 M13_               Minetest-M13 but i cant get it to run on Windows :/
00:13 Octupus            and boom
00:14 Octupus            im windows
00:14 NekoGloop          VanessaE: Some Exception: Kiss my ass
00:14 M13_               lolz
00:14 VanessaE           windows sucks anyway ;-)
00:14 milleja46          Octupus: not hard include a modding package, animals, monsters, and accurate water and you're better than both :P
00:14 NekoGloop          that message should be on a shirt.
00:14 VanessaE           Neko "I derped" Gloop:  "Some Exception: We hate you."
00:14 VanessaE           ;-)
00:14 M13_               Vanessa half of the ppl use Windows :(
00:14 milleja46          NekoGloop: no what should be on a shirt is "don't even blink, blink and you're dead" :P
00:14 * milleja46        hopes no one caught that
00:14 VanessaE           M13_: actually statistically Minetest users are about 3/4 linux and 1/4 windows
00:15 NekoGloop          oh god
00:15 Octupus            milleja46,yep
00:15 Basstard`          VanessaE: GNU.
00:15 M13_               Vanessa do you have TeamViewer
00:15 NekoGloop          weepin angels.
00:15 khonkhortisan      Does git diff normally show a difference on the last line?
00:15 VanessaE           no.
00:15 M13_               o ok
00:15 milleja46          :D yay! someone caught my joke :D
00:15 VanessaE           I don't use virual desktop programs - they are unsafe.
00:15 NakedFury          and it is statistically true that the 1/4 users are better
00:15 Octupus            dont be dissing WINDOWS
00:15 M13_               can someone give me instructions on how to setup github?
00:15 Octupus            i like linux better thab windows anyway :)
00:15 VanessaE           M13_: go set up an account first
00:15 M13_               did
00:15 ecube              I like how whatismyip.org prints the ip to an image >.<
00:15 milleja46          (I wonder how much of the supposed windows/linux users are people emulating it since there's no true mac build :P)
00:15 M13_               Im madchicken13 lolz
00:16 ecube              its stoopid
00:16 VanessaE           M13_: ok, in the upper right corner of the screen, above your name is a link that looks like a book with a "+"
00:16 VanessaE           click that
00:16 VanessaE           the instructions are fairly straightforward
00:17 Basstard`          ecube: You had a server, right?
00:17 M13_               hmmm k thanks
00:17 VanessaE           "repository name" should be one word
00:17 ecube              i'm currently building latest stable version of mt on my ded server comp, i'm going to reinstate minetest
00:17 milleja46          hrmm there really needs to be a mt rewrite with c++ as main code and python as mods :P
00:17 M13_               i forgot my password :/
00:17 ecube              not ded connection though, just dedicated computer
00:17 VanessaE           you will need to get it back first :-)
00:17 milleja46          that might actually be interesting....
00:17 VanessaE           milleja46:  no.  do. not. want.
00:17 khonkhortisan      I see absolutely no difference between the lines it says I changed
00:18 ecube              and i have to go in about 3 minutes. :)
00:18 milleja46          ecube: make it survival and I'll play :P
00:18 VanessaE           khonkhortisan: &nbsp;?  tabs vs. spaces?
00:18 ecube              aw
00:18 khonkhortisan      '    "plankstone")' it says \ No newline at end of file
00:18 ecube              i want to make minetest's first creative server
00:18 ecube              or id
00:18 ecube              *idk
00:18 khonkhortisan      it's four spaces
00:18 ecube              is there a creative server yet?
00:18 milleja46          I love some of the struggle to make stuff while having to gather stuff :P
00:19 ecube              milleja46: if you want to play survival, why not play on my clan's server? it's survival
00:19 VanessaE           ecube: when celeron55's server is online, it is creative mode
00:19 ecube              odamn
00:19 khonkhortisan      If I added or removed a newline I'd expect to see an extra red or green line in the diff
00:19 VanessaE           one of Oldcoder's is also
00:19 ecube              well
00:19 M13_               Vanessa i have a repo
00:19 NekoGloop          there is a creative server on OldCoder's thingy
00:19 ecube              is it online atm?
00:19 VanessaE           M13_: can you log in yet?
00:19 ecube              there arent enough creative servers though
00:19 milleja46          ecube: because I liked your personal servers you ran :P
00:19 VanessaE           ecube: dunno, been a while since I last looked
00:19 milleja46          they were nice and quiet :P
00:19 NekoGloop          just run the goddamn server :D
00:20 M13_               i reset my pass here is my repo : https://github.com/madchicken13/Minetest-M13
00:20 * milleja46        wonders if there's a more recent mac build than 6 to 12 months ago
00:20 ecube              what's wrong with creative?
00:20 milleja46          ecube: no struggle it makes things too easy :P
00:20 ecube              but the point of creative is to build amazing buildings
00:20 milleja46          you can build amazing things is survival :P
00:20 VanessaE           ecube: ew do that quite nicely on redcrab's server without creative mode :-)
00:20 VanessaE           we*
00:20 M13_               I guess i need to make a README file and stuff like that
00:20 NekoGloop          i want a creative server with technic and mesecons
00:20 VanessaE           especially with my homedecor mod in place
00:21 khonkhortisan      You design your building in creative then build it on a survival server
00:21 ecube              VanessaE: you use the /give command
00:21 ecube              :P
00:21 VanessaE           NekoGloop:  OldCoder's server has it.
00:21 Octupus            m13 every1 on yo server watching me
00:21 VanessaE           ecube: no, I don't - not there.  I mine and trade for what I need.
00:21 M13_               how, VanessaE
00:21 NekoGloop          VanessaE: but i have no idea which one :P
00:21 ecube              kk then, but i'll be back in 2:30 hours
00:21 khonkhortisan      there are many stores on redcrab
00:21 NekoGloop          i dont want the LM one, i want his creative.
00:21 ecube              or 3
00:21 VanessaE           M13_: you said you lost your password - get it back and make sure you can log in with it to the websitre.
00:21 VanessaE           website*
00:21 VanessaE           NekoGloop: 30002 I think?  or 30006
00:21 VanessaE           one or the other
00:22 M13_               Im logged in Vanessa
00:22 VanessaE           M13_: ok, you have a repo already?
00:22 NekoGloop          oh cool, it globalizes my password.
00:22 M13_               yes Here https://github.com/madchicken13/Minetest-M13
00:22 VanessaE           M13_: open a terminal.
00:22 M13_               in Ubuntu?
00:22 * milleja46        doesn't want to finish this paper XD
00:22 VanessaE           yes
00:22 M13_               ok
00:23 M13_               inter the commands?
00:23 VanessaE           now at the top of the web page for your repo, do you see the link that says "Git Read Only"?
00:23 * milleja46        waits for the backlog to load XD
00:23 milleja46          gotta love when my client that keeps me connected crashes >_>
00:24 VanessaE           next to it it'll be something like:  git://github.com/madchicken13/Minetest-M13.git
00:24 NekoGloop          goddammit...
00:24 NekoGloop          I dont have interact.
00:24 M13_               o yes what do i kdo with it
00:24 milleja46          M13_: there's nothing there O_O
00:24 NekoGloop          on a freaking creative server...
00:24 NekoGloop          you dont have interact to start with.
00:24 NekoGloop          god. dammit.
00:24 VanessaE           M13_: in your terminal, make a work directory.  cd into that directory.
00:25 VanessaE           M13_: then do:   git clone git://blahblahblah <-------- whatever the address is that is shown there
00:25 khonkhortisan      NekoGloop, which one?
00:25 NekoGloop          30006
00:25 NekoGloop          VanessaE: 30002 is skyblock XD
00:25 M13_               ok and then i upload my files from there ok i get it its like bitbukkit
00:25 VanessaE           NekoGloop: anti-griefing measure - who wants to spend an hour rebuilding because some schmuck spent five minutes burying your structure in lava and burning it?
00:26 VanessaE           M13_: no
00:26 M13_               hahaha im soooo stupid
00:26 VanessaE           M13_: not quite.  similar but not the same.
00:26 VanessaE           you have your repo cloned now?
00:27 khonkhortisan      most descriptive pull request ever: https://github.com/Calinou/calinou_mods/pull/4
00:27 M13_               I need to install git
00:27 VanessaE           evening mike.
00:27 VanessaE           M13_: ok, go do that
00:27 VanessaE           sudo apt-get install git
00:27 khonkhortisan      yes you need to install git, you can even remove svn if you like.
00:27 Mikeonline         oops
00:28 Mikeonline         wrong window
00:28 M13_               that helps lolz
00:28 Mikeonline         hi
00:28 Mikeonline         iam so tired
00:28 Mikeonline         its 2:28 am :D
00:28 khonkhortisan      Hello Mikeoffline
00:28 VanessaE           only 8:28pm here.
00:28 Mikeonline         VanessaE :P
00:28 Mikeonline         i just introduced a hand of players to minetest tonight
00:28 Mikeonline         hard work
00:29 Mikeonline         portogiese people dont speak much english...
00:29 VanessaE           M13_: "There is no source code celeron does not have source for these versions sorry to ruin your day >:("
00:29 M13_               i get this : http://pastebin.com/6XYvUKaB
00:29 Mikeonline         portoguese
00:29 M13_               o yea srry
00:29 VanessaE           incorrect.  All source code is on github, you just have to roll back far enough to find the right time period.
00:29 NekoGloop          phillipines have a law now that pretty much means they cant do anything with the internet.
00:29 Mikeonline         hm VanessaE you told me once to get worldedit so i did
00:29 M13_               i fix how?
00:30 Basstard`          NekoGloop: Link.
00:30 NekoGloop          no video streaming, no downloading, no uploading, etc.
00:30 Mikeonline         do you know whats the sense of //dig? it does nothing
00:30 khonkhortisan      you'll need an ssh key if you're not going through https
00:30 VanessaE           M13_: in that error, you probably need to switch to https:// instead of git:// in your clone url
00:30 Mikeonline         you may use svn at github too
00:30 VanessaE           you probably don't have a public/private key pair set up (I do()
00:30 milleja46          wow, that is a amazing commit message :D
00:30 khonkhortisan      /dig keeps worldedit from removing huge chunks of land without recalculating light, thereby creating a black hole.
00:30 VanessaE           so just do git clone http://blahblahblah
00:30 VanessaE           er https://
00:30 VanessaE           you get the idea
00:30 M13_               so i copy my url of my repo into it ok
00:31 VanessaE           no
00:31 * milleja46        wishes there was a more updated version of https://github.com/toabi/minetest-mac/downloads
00:31 M13_               got it
00:31 VanessaE           at the top of your repo's web page you see "[ HTTP ][ Git Read-Only ] [git://github.com/blahblahblah]
00:31 VanessaE           click on the "HTTP" button
00:32 M13_               is says i cloned a empty repo
00:32 VanessaE           then git clone https://that-address-there
00:32 M13_               that is what i did
00:32 VanessaE           ok your repo is empty if that's what it says
00:32 Mikeonline         khonkhortisan: means its better to use dig instead of set air?
00:32 Mikeonline         so dig recalculates light?
00:32 VanessaE           cd into your repo directory (probably work/Minetest-M13)
00:33 VanessaE           add your files, make your changes, do whatever
00:33 M13_               and how do i update it
00:33 VanessaE           then do git add .; git commit -a; git push
00:33 T_A_N_K            is there a mod that sets wielded item?
00:34 M13_               can you paste the command in pastebin please Vanessa
00:34 VanessaE           the git commit command will request you to describe your update.  the git push will ask for your github userid and password.
00:34 NekoGloop          someone get their ass on develan.com:30000 and give me interact
00:34 VanessaE           no, there's nothing to paste.
00:34 VanessaE           git add .; git commit -a; git push
00:34 M13_               that is the command?
00:34 VanessaE           that's all it takes to publish yoru changes.
00:34 VanessaE           yeah
00:34 M13_               ok lolz
00:34 VanessaE           whatever you've done to work/Minetest-M13 will be uploaded to github
00:35 M13_               And Minetest-M13 is On GitHub Thnx Vanessa
00:35 VanessaE           you must do all three of those commands - add, commit, push exactly as written.
00:35 * M13_             Gives Vanessa a Hug
00:35 VanessaE           for now, do them exactly as I wrote them.  Later, we'll show you how to separate those steps
00:35 NekoGloop          OldCoder: please get on develan.com:30000 to give me interact...
00:35 VanessaE           you're welcome
00:35 M13_               WOOP
00:36 khonkhortisan      the commands I wrote down in a file to remember are git remote set-url --push origin (url) and git push origin (branch)
00:36 milleja46          heh, I haven't seen him talk on the other irc network I'm on XD
00:36 VanessaE           M13_: well so far all I see is an empty repository - you still need to add/commit/push
00:36 M13_               hahaha Happy Day :-)
00:36 milleja46          he's been really really quiet on there :P
00:36 VanessaE           you need to actually put some files in your Minetest-M13 directory :-)
00:37 M13_               ik
00:37 M13_               Im downloading the src :-)
00:37 VanessaE           ok
00:37 NekoGloop          god. dammit.
00:37 * milleja46        wonders why M13_ didn't just fork the source :P
00:38 NekoGloop          servers that dont give you interact by default are just plain stupid.
00:38 milleja46          NekoGloop: not if it's a anti-Landmine initiative
00:38 VanessaE           neko:  two words:  lava bucket.
00:38 MuadTralk          haha no ones that do are just crazy
00:38 MuadTralk          liek mine
00:38 milleja46          VanessaE: don't say that
00:38 NekoGloop          because half the time, there's no moderator to give it to you, so you have to wait forever for a freakin tree to be able to be cut down.
00:38 VanessaE           I just did :-)
00:38 milleja46          I still have nightmares
00:39 NekoGloop          VanessaE: three words: fucking. survival. server.
00:39 Basstard`          NekoGloop: Fucking?
00:39 VanessaE           survival != rebuilding from griefing
00:39 M13_               what is commit?
00:39 milleja46          of all the lavaing of the original ecube map I played on by landmine T_T
00:40 milleja46          M13_: you really need to look up the github command reference
00:40 VanessaE           M13_: add tells git to record the files you've added so they'll be uploaded.  commit tells git "ok, I'm done with this change and am ready to publish it".   push publishes.
00:40 NekoGloop          dat feel when you have enough mods that minetest "is not responding"... :D
00:40 milleja46          add, commit, push :P the essential github workflow ha ha
00:40 NekoGloop          on startup, minetest seriously states it is not responding.
00:41 NekoGloop          quick! more mods! i need! now!
00:41 VanessaE           NekoGloop: I wish the linux version would at least show those little thumbnails during the render-and-extrude step of the startup like it does for some windows folks
00:42 * milleja46        wonders if there's not a essentials mod for minetest :P
00:42 NekoGloop          i think that's the problem with the rendering.
00:42 VanessaE           c55 basically made it sound like a bug that it shows up at all - I wish he'd make it official by telling irrlicht to *always* do that
00:42 NekoGloop          it cycles through that, but gets confused.
00:42 VanessaE           eh?
00:42 milleja46          bukkit's essentials for minecraft is amazing there should be one for minetest :P
00:42 VanessaE           no, it's just slow.
00:42 NekoGloop          milleja46: there's T_A_N_K's essentials.
00:42 VanessaE           NekoGloop: want proof?  this will take some time, but try this:
00:43 milleja46          NekoGloop: ehh I would try but I don't have a way to test on mac no official mac build that works on my computer :P
00:43 NekoGloop          who the fuck has a mac
00:43 VanessaE           Install my HDX and start up once with it.  Record the amount of time it takes.   Now, exit to OS.  Open Junglegrass and Dry Shrub in gimp or similar and flatten them - don't care what they look like.  Save the result.  Start up again.  Record the time.
00:43 NekoGloop          apple sucks.
00:44 milleja46          NekoGloop: i have a mac so what? your opinion on that matter, matters none to me
00:44 VanessaE           notice how in the second startup with the flattened two textures, the game takes far less time to start.
00:44 T_A_N_K            xD
00:44 NekoGloop          VanessaE: i already know: 1.5 mins for first one, 1.2 for second.
00:44 VanessaE           the extrude routine is DOG SLOW on textures that have lots of transparent bits
00:44 T_A_N_K            this setwield item thing is irritating
00:45 VanessaE           NekoGloop: you already tried flattening junglegrass and dry shrub?  it took me forever to figure out what the problem was
00:45 VanessaE           (and I still have no solution)
00:45 NekoGloop          solution: use default textures.
00:45 VanessaE           besides that :-)
00:45 NekoGloop          solution: use default textures.
00:46 VanessaE           oh, I tried the same thing with the curtains in home decor - 512px partially transparent by poking thousands of pixel-sized holes in it?  SIX texture files made the game take a few additional *minutes* to start up.  Flatten them?  no appreciable change from the normal time.
00:47 VanessaE           (my normal startup time is about 1:10 - it shot up to well over 3 minutes before I gave up and used flattened versions)
00:47 VanessaE           M13_: still waiting for you to push your first commit to your repo
00:48 T_A_N_K            is it even possible to set itemstack on placenode
00:48 * milleja46        has never had as many problems with all his apple stuff than he has had with one windows computer, windows is nice and all but it is ugly when it gets to vista or 8
00:48 NekoGloop          get XP
00:48 milleja46          NekoGloop: nothing supports that anymore
00:48 milleja46          and it dies in 2014
00:49 NekoGloop          everything supports it.
00:49 milleja46          have you tried running a more recent version of firefox on it?
00:49 NekoGloop          I dont use firefox.
00:49 milleja46          I don't use IE
00:49 NekoGloop          neither do i
00:49 milleja46          IE is ugly and makes pages look ugly
00:49 NekoGloop          nope.
00:49 milleja46          and not a big fan of chrome
00:50 milleja46          it's nice and all just don't perfer it
00:51 NekoGloop          chrome has tabs in the top bar
00:52 VanessaE           and apparently they're easy to accidentally close :D
00:52 OldCoder           Hi
00:52 OldCoder           Back
00:52 VanessaE           wb
00:52 milleja46          yea...I've never had that issue especially since I use a real irc client :P
00:52 milleja46          people that use a webpage as a client are weird most of the time :P
00:52 milleja46          OldCoder: hi again :P
00:53 * milleja46        wonders if anyone would think it odd if he went to sprint >_> only people with a unlimited plan XD
00:54 VanessaE           [10-04 20:51] <NekoGloop> chrome has tabs in the top bar
00:54 VanessaE           [10-04 20:51] * NekoGloop has quit (Quit: Page closed)
00:54 VanessaE           [10-04 20:52] <VanessaE> and apparently they're easy to accidentally close :D
00:54 NekoGloop          Not accidentally
00:54 milleja46          VanessaE: ha ha
00:54 OldCoder           milleja46, Hey
00:54 NekoGloop          I went to ipad.
00:54 VanessaE           that was too convenient ;-)
00:54 milleja46          VanessaE: yes it was
00:54 OldCoder           NekoGloop, interacting you now
00:54 NekoGloop          Oh sure.
00:55 NekoGloop          After i go to my ipad.
00:55 VanessaE           see?  so impatient :-)
00:55 milleja46          NekoGloop: and yet you say apple is evil yet you have a ipad...how hypocrytical >_>
00:55 T_A_N_K            when i try to set wielded item on place node it won't let me >.<
00:55 NekoGloop          Apple is evil
00:56 icallitvera        please enlighten us
00:56 NekoGloop          I have the ipad to prove it.
00:56 milleja46          I get better customer support with them than I ever had with a windows pc company :P
00:56 NekoGloop          With windows you dont need customer support.
00:56 milleja46          NekoGloop: bwa ha ha ha
00:57 milleja46          you do when you accidently mess something up and there's no answer online how to fix
00:57 milleja46          and everyone tells you to contact your manafacturer
00:57 NekoGloop          Then dont fuck anything up.
00:57 NekoGloop          Kids these days.
00:58 milleja46          NekoGloop: a kid isn't 18 years old :P
00:58 M13_               Its not Pushing it
00:58 VanessaE           M13_: did you git add .  (with the period) and then git commit -a
00:59 milleja46          VanessaE: or git add *
00:59 VanessaE           either one works
00:59 M13_               yes
00:59 milleja46          ehh everywhere I've seen it done people use the *
00:59 VanessaE           M13_: what does it do?
00:59 VanessaE           error messages?
00:59 milleja46          M13_: remember add, then commit, then push
00:59 VanessaE           pastebin
01:00 icallitvera        i was taugh the .
01:01 milleja46          VanessaE: isn't what I just said the right workflow?
01:01 VanessaE           yup
01:01 milleja46          that's what I thought :P
01:01 VanessaE           make your changes and add your files, then git add .; git commit -a; git push -u
01:01 VanessaE           (the -u is not mandatory, just there for clarity)
01:01 milleja46          but you always need a fork when working with a project and then send a pull request :P
01:02 VanessaE           yup
01:02 VanessaE           but for now he needs to just get his changes pushed
01:02 Octupus            Любой хотел бы присоединиться к моему серверу?
01:02 VanessaE           worry about pull-requesting later :-)
01:02 VanessaE           Octupus: speak english please.
01:02 Octupus            ^ ^russian
01:02 Octupus            XD
01:02 milleja46          Octupus: I don't understand no foreign language besides maybe some spanish
01:03 OldCoder           NekoGloop, you should be active
01:03 T_A_N_K            http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/27844959.jpg
01:03 M13_               here
01:03 M13_               http://pastebin.com/mDBvi8WC
01:03 milleja46          T_A_N_K: o _ o ha ha ha
01:04 * milleja46        loves looking up memes about his old school
01:04 VanessaE           M13_: you didn't give it a commit message
01:04 Octupus            Используйте Google Translate
01:04 VanessaE           "Aborting commit due to empty commit message."
01:04 M13_               What do I put
01:04 M13_               Minetest-m13 0.4.6?
01:04 VanessaE           M13_: when you did git commit -a it gave you an editor and told you to give it a message.  Describe your commit
01:04 VanessaE           explain in one or two sentences why you are commit'ing.
01:05 M13_               i get this
01:05 M13_               http://pastebin.com/mDBvi8WC
01:05 VanessaE           decribe the changes you've made, features you've added, bugs you've fixed, whatever
01:05 M13_               not that
01:05 M13_               fatal: Paths with -a does not make sense.
01:05 M13_               that
01:05 VanessaE           git commit -a
01:05 OldCoder           Fear of commitment!
01:07 leo_rockw          hello my blocky friends
01:07 Octupus            марихуаны забавная вещь, чтобы курить
01:07 milleja46          T_A_N_K: this meme site is still funny http://www.hsmemes.com/locale/11160/Central-Academy-of-Technology-and-Arts don't even go there now and it's still funny :P
01:07 VanessaE           Octupus: I'm not kidding - stick to english.
01:07 M13_               I get this
01:07 T_A_N_K            lol
01:07 Octupus            y
01:07 M13_               http://pastebin.com/uZYeajBG
01:08 VanessaE           M13_: did you `git commit -a` first?
01:08 M13_               yea
01:08 M13_               and put my commit
01:08 leo_rockw          Octupus might be using English... I forgot all my Cyrillic, so I can't be certain :S
01:08 VanessaE           oh wait, step back one directory
01:08 VanessaE           cd ..
01:08 M13_               ok
01:09 Octupus            ?
01:09 VanessaE           then git add .; git commit -a; git push
01:09 Octupus            vannesa am i doing something wrong
01:09 VanessaE           Octupus: the language of this channel, like the forums, is English.  Please don't write in russian, most of us here can't understand it
01:09 Octupus            im using google translate
01:09 milleja46          http://www.hsmemes.com/Y+U+No+Guy/tries-to-get-last-slice-of-pizza/367966 why he no do that right?
01:09 Octupus            XD
01:09 VanessaE           don't.  :-)
01:10 milleja46          I know that guy who did that and it's not done right
01:10 M13_               That dont work
01:10 Octupus            la marihuana es una cosa divertida de fumar
01:10 Octupus            can i tlk in spanish
01:10 VanessaE           Octupus: ENGLISH.
01:10 Octupus            lolz
01:10 VanessaE           M13_: errors?
01:10 Octupus            Weed is a fun thing to smoke
01:10 Octupus            is what the russian and spanish thing says
01:11 Octupus            im using home decor
01:11 Octupus            once i found out the gives for it
01:11 VanessaE           Octupus: use creative mode :-)  it's easier.
01:11 M13_               FUCK
01:12 M13_               this is stupid now its saying the .git is not there
01:12 milleja46          my...goodness...all these memes are horribly incorrect
01:12 VanessaE           M13_: start over.
01:12 Octupus            i dont want coder to go thrugh that truble again
01:12 leo_rockw          milleja46: memes... they are doing it not right.
01:12 VanessaE           delete your work directory.   Re-clone your repository, re-add your files, etc.
01:13 leo_rockw          milleja46: there should be a new meme. Something like "Misinterpreting memes Megan"...
01:13 milleja46          leo_rockw: funny thing is I know half the guys on that, and people their messing it up, I know how that should be done and it's not right now XD
01:13 milleja46          http://www.hsmemes.com/The+Most+Interesting+Man+In+The+World/We-don-t-always-have-quot-special-Guests/366967 only correct one I've found XD
01:14 M13_               Im getting this fucking error : fatal: Not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git
01:14 NekoGloop          Are you forgetting to put the .git extension?
01:15 VanessaE           M13_: start over.  delete your broken work directory.   Re-clone your repository (git clone https://yaddayadda) , cd into the directory the clone created, re-add your files, git add .; git commit -a; git push -u
01:16 VanessaE           I really can't explain it better than that.  that's the basics
01:18 M13_               Im getting this : http://pastebin.com/MVhWCMDS
01:19 VanessaE           did you clone?
01:19 M13_               yes
01:19 VanessaE           did you git add .  WITH THE PERIOD?
01:19 M13_               yes
01:19 VanessaE           did you,  git commit -a
01:20 M13_               yes
01:20 VanessaE           and give it a message?
01:20 M13_               yes
01:20 VanessaE           ok, then you need to tell it where master is.  try this:    git remote set-url origin https://blahblahbla-your-repos
01:21 VanessaE           then try to git push again.
01:22 M13_               same errors
01:22 VanessaE           new paste please with the entire chain of commands you executes
01:22 VanessaE           executed
01:23 VanessaE           try this also:   git remote set-url --push origin https://blahblahblah-your-repos
01:23 VanessaE           then git push
01:23 T_A_N_K            created infinite item placement with a single node
01:23 M13_               http://pastebin.com/4S5Ef5zy
01:24 VanessaE           ok
01:24 M13_               same errors again
01:24 VanessaE           M13_: try that second git remote command and then git push again.  MAKE SURE you are using the actual git address and not the page address
01:24 M13_               is this the git adress?
01:24 M13_
01:24 VanessaE           the address displayed next to the [HTTP][Git Read-Only] buttons
01:25 M13_               https://github.com/madchicken13/Minetest-M13.git
01:25 M13_               ill screenshot
01:25 VanessaE           it should be, but then I don't even see that much here on my end
01:25 VanessaE           I don't think you set the repos up properly
01:26 VanessaE           no decription, no initial readme file, etc
01:26 VanessaE           maybe you should delete it and start over from scratch
01:26 VanessaE           when you created it, github gave you a series of commands to execute to initialize it
01:26 M13_               yes they are on the page
01:26 VanessaE           show me
01:27 Mikeonline         night all
01:27 VanessaE           night mike
01:27 Mikeonline         good evening too ;)
01:28 M13_               here is thescreenshot :  https://www.dropbox.com/lightbox/home/Photos?select=github.png#
01:28 M13_               is that it?
01:28 VanessaE           M13_: that link asks me to sign in
01:28 M13_               ok
01:28 M13_               here
01:28 M13_               ill link the download
01:28 M13_               https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Photos/github.png?w=ca9b37f1&dl=1
01:29 M13_               there
01:29 VanessaE           error 403.
01:29 khonkhortisan      You don't belong there
01:29 VanessaE           you probably marked the image as private or something
01:30 M13_               here try this : https://dl.dropbox.com/s/yuhpk3i2p11al1b/github.png?dl=1
01:30 VanessaE           M13_: ok, so execute those commands :-)
01:30 M13_               so start over and do those commands
01:31 VanessaE           yes
01:34 M13_               Those Commands Work compared to urs :-)
01:34 VanessaE           that's because you have to do those commands first :-)
01:34 VanessaE           imagine that - you followed the directions and it worked :D
01:35 VanessaE           hey there we go
01:35 VanessaE           now I see files in your repos
01:35 VanessaE           now you've got it.
01:35 VanessaE           from now on, make your changes, then cd into the Minetest-M13 directory and git add .; git commit -a; git push
01:38 VanessaE           the problem was that you never finished initializing your repository
01:42 M13_               I use git commit -m "Commit Message"
01:42 VanessaE           that works too
01:42 VanessaE           I use that sometimes.
01:42 M13_               Thanks and can I upload files to?
01:43 VanessaE           you just did :-)
01:43 VanessaE           every time you add/commit/push, you are uploading files.
01:43 VanessaE           so if you want to just share some random file you can do that too, though it's a good idea to restrict that to places like ompldr or so.
01:44 * milleja46        may be random in saying this but the fact that verizon and at&t no longer have unlimited data is so odd XD
01:46 M13_               I see
01:46 M13_               I can upload Binaries as Zip files in Downloads
01:48 VanessaE           yes
01:48 M13_               GitHub is easy
01:48 M13_               Vanessa
01:48 VanessaE           told you it was :-)
01:48 M13_               how do i make tags?
01:48 VanessaE           that I'm not sure of - that's not a feature I use
01:49 M13_               how about branches?
01:49 milleja46          M13_: that's called forks
01:49 milleja46          you fork on github not branch
01:50 M13_               it says Branch
01:50 M13_               https://github.com/madchicken13/Minetest-M13/branches
01:50 M13_               look ^^
01:50 milleja46          o_O not what I meant
01:50 milleja46          VanessaE: back me up here
01:51 VanessaE           nono
01:51 M13_               I meant how do you make a new branch
01:51 VanessaE           branches are different than forks
01:51 VanessaE           but I don't remember how to use them
01:51 M13_               ok
01:51 M13_               Ill make a New Repo for Minetest-Awesominess :)
01:52 M13_               Vanessa is there Minetest 0.0.1 Source that i can find?
01:52 milleja46          M13_: just make one called Minetest_Improved :P
01:52 VanessaE           the oldest MT source is on c55's github repos
01:52 VanessaE           you just have to scan backwards to get to it
01:56 VanessaE           bbl
01:56 VanessaE           movie time
01:58 T_A_N_K            i've done it!
01:58 T_A_N_K            i've created a better creative mode
02:02 milleja46          M13_: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3329943/what-is-the-difference-between-branch-fork-fetch-merge-rebase-and-clone-in-g scroll down to the answer by durrant, according to it forks work a little better from what that answer says than branches on github :P and the idea of forks makes managing a project a lot easier...
02:04 M13_               thnx
02:06 T_A_N_K            check out this baby http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=46131#p46131
02:14 khonkhortisan      on github it has an automatic merge for forks, and you can use branches to separate what you want to merge and what you don't
02:14 khonkhortisan      and you don't need permission to fork
02:25 T_A_N_K            HMMM
02:25 T_A_N_K            how do i get an inventory slot position
02:26 NekoGloop          Magic.
02:27 T_A_N_K            no srsly guise. wehn i due geht tis samall keelobite uv enfurmayshun ey weil b aybull 2 muv awn wit diz gahym mowduh
02:27 T_A_N_K            it took me so long to type that
02:28 NekoGloop          And i have no idea what you just said.
02:29 T_A_N_K            no, seriously guys, when i do get this smal kilobyte of information i will be able to move on with this game mode
02:30 leo_rockw          T_A_N_K: xp mod is yours, right?
02:30 T_A_N_K            yes, i am jordan4ibanez lol
02:30 leo_rockw          is there a way to know, from the game, the amount of orbs one has?
02:31 T_A_N_K            not yet, i can only do 10 things at a time
02:31 leo_rockw          that's okay, I was just curious
02:31 leo_rockw          I like the mod =]
02:31 leo_rockw          with the XP mod and a specform an RPG game wouldn't be too hard to implement.
02:32 NekoGloop          Formspec*
02:32 leo_rockw          that, thanks.
02:32 T_A_N_K            yea, too bad you cannot set the player's acceleration or their facedir, because with that you'd actually be able to set falsified "rpg cutscenes"
02:33 leo_rockw          player's acceleration would be neat. Momentum too...
02:33 leo_rockw          I'd like to see momentum when walking on snow biome's ice o.o
02:34 T_A_N_K            leo rockway do you know how to get the position in the main inventory that the player is selected?
02:34 leo_rockw          no, sorry
02:35 T_A_N_K            ahh here we are
02:35 T_A_N_K            minetest.get_inventory(location)
02:36 NekoGloop          But how to get location?
02:36 T_A_N_K            that's the problem
02:36 T_A_N_K            i don't think it's in the api
02:38 khonkhortisan      what are you getting the inventory for?
02:38 T_A_N_K            i want to get selected spot on placenode
02:38 T_A_N_K            then set an item into that spot
02:38 T_A_N_K            i know how to, i don't know the api or if it is capable
02:39 T_A_N_K            the api function*
02:39 khonkhortisan      minetest.register_on_placenode()?
02:39 NekoGloop          I did it... Somehow...
02:39 T_A_N_K            yep
02:39 T_A_N_K            TELL MEEEEEEEEEeeeeEEEeeeEEeeeEEeeeEEeeeEeeeeEEeeeee
02:39 T_A_N_K            my brain, it's become pooped
02:39 NekoGloop          Not at computer
02:40 NekoGloop          And said code is on my computer.
02:40 T_A_N_K            what mod?
02:40 NekoGloop          And i uninstalled my remote desktop thingy
02:40 NekoGloop          And i never uploaded it
02:40 T_A_N_K            i call bluffing
02:41 khonkhortisan      minetest.get_inventory({type = "player", name=placer:get_player_name()}) or placer:get_inventory()
02:41 NekoGloop          I did my alchemy thing with a node that when placed, it returns instantly to player inv.
02:41 NekoGloop          khonkhortisan: He means to get the selected quickslot
02:41 T_A_N_K            did you use setwield item to do that nekogloop?
02:42 NekoGloop          No.
02:42 T_A_N_K            all the slots are are slot positions
02:42 T_A_N_K            numbers 1, 32
02:42 T_A_N_K            i just want to get the number selected
02:42 khonkhortisan      get_wielded_item? get_wield_list?
02:42 T_A_N_K            get wielded position
02:42 khonkhortisan      I git stashed something that did that and stored it in node meta
02:42 T_A_N_K            so i can add a node to that position
02:43 khonkhortisan      I did meta:set_int(puncher:get_player_name(), puncher:get_wield_index())
02:43 T_A_N_K            that'll work, maybe
02:44 khonkhortisan      that'll only work for the top row of the inventory
02:44 T_A_N_K            GOOD!
02:44 khonkhortisan      1-8 I think
02:44 T_A_N_K            what is set_int?
02:44 khonkhortisan      storing a number in the rubik's cube node
02:44 khonkhortisan      puncher:get_wield_index() is the part you need
02:45 T_A_N_K            now did you actually add add in an item into the player's inventory with this?
02:45 khonkhortisan      no.
02:46 T_A_N_K            time for hax
02:46 khonkhortisan      are you trying to make it an infinite stack?
02:46 NekoGloop          Meow.
02:46 T_A_N_K            yes, well essentially
02:46 T_A_N_K            you place a node, the server then refills that slot instantly
02:47 khonkhortisan      So if you drop from your second stack of dirt, you don't want it adding to your first stack of dirt
02:47 T_A_N_K            exactly
02:47 khonkhortisan      And if you drop the last item of the stack, you want it to remember what you dropped-
02:47 khonkhortisan      *dropped
02:47 T_A_N_K            yes, but i already have that part
02:50 T_A_N_K            OH
02:50 T_A_N_K            my shop mod does this
02:50 T_A_N_K            inv:set_stack("main", i, srcstack)
02:50 khonkhortisan      So I can write an example, are you using puncher, player, digger?
02:50 T_A_N_K            man i'm f***ing retarded
02:51 khonkhortisan      puncher:get_wielded_item():set_size(puncher:get_wield_index(), puncher:get_wielded_item():get_count())
02:54 T_A_N_K            finally! it all works! and thank you anyways khonkhortisan
02:54 khonkhortisan      you're welcome anyways
02:57 T_A_N_K            FINALLY creative mode is not sloppy any more! it finally feels kind of cool
02:58 khonkhortisan      so the stuff isn't jumping back and forth when you try to move it?
02:58 T_A_N_K            nope! :D
02:58 T_A_N_K            try it out, it's pretty neat
02:59 khonkhortisan      where?
02:59 T_A_N_K            in my fancy game mode
02:59 T_A_N_K            you put creative=true in your minetest.con
02:59 T_A_N_K            minetest.conf*
02:59 khonkhortisan      ?
02:59 khonkhortisan      the checkbox doesn't work?
03:01 T_A_N_K            what doesn't work?
03:01 khonkhortisan      the button when you start the server
03:01 T_A_N_K            oh you mean the left and right buttons?
03:01 khonkhortisan      I got the zip version, more trouble to update
03:02 T_A_N_K            why not just delete the old version and replace it?
03:02 khonkhortisan      I don't know where it is
03:02 T_A_N_K            O.o
03:03 khonkhortisan      http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3174 ?
03:04 xcgurl08           hi is anyone there
03:04 T_A_N_K            ok moved it to the top
03:04 xcgurl08           HEY TANK
03:04 xcgurl08           can you help me lol
03:05 T_A_N_K            hi xc
03:05 T_A_N_K            maybe, can i have 50034, 23 dollars
03:05 xcgurl08           why is it that cobblestone that's already in the game looks different than cobblestone that I mine and place
03:05 T_A_N_K            i honestly have no idea how to answer that, can i have a screen shot?
03:06 xcgurl08           okay...
03:06 xcgurl08           wha'ts your email
03:06 xcgurl08           lol
03:06 khonkhortisan      Because you mine stone and place cobblestone
03:06 khonkhortisan      If you smelt cobblestone in a cobblestone furnace, it'll turn back into stone
03:06 xcgurl08           no
03:06 xcgurl08           when I mine stone, it says cobblestone
03:06 xcgurl08           I mean
03:07 xcgurl08           when I mine, it says cobblestone
03:07 xcgurl08           does that make sense
03:07 xcgurl08           lol
03:07 khonkhortisan      it's stone until it's dug. Then it's cobblestone until it's smelted
03:07 xcgurl08           you can smelt cobblestone?
03:07 xcgurl08           into what
03:07 khonkhortisan      back into stone
03:07 xcgurl08           oh
03:07 xcgurl08           that seems rather pointless
03:08 xcgurl08           why would you want to do that when cobblestone looks so..wait
03:08 xcgurl08           why does it turn into cobblestone just because you mined it
03:08 khonkhortisan      if you wanted to hide that you dug somewhere you would put stone back
03:08 khonkhortisan      because it turns into little stones and you glue them back together to get a block of it
03:08 xcgurl08           why would you want to hide that you dug somewhere
03:09 xcgurl08           ...you glue them back together?
03:09 khonkhortisan      because it always shows where you mine because of placing cobble
03:09 xcgurl08           you're being sarcastic right
03:09 xcgurl08           but whyyy would you want to hide it
03:09 khonkhortisan      some of the crafting recipes don't make sense
03:09 xcgurl08           is there some like..
03:09 xcgurl08           enderman looking to find where you mined
03:09 xcgurl08           and then once he finds it, he can magically teleport to where you are
03:09 xcgurl08           and kill you?
03:09 T_A_N_K            celeron would like slap me if he ever looked at my game mode
03:10 khonkhortisan      if you accidentally took out a wall of your underground stone house, and don't want a block of cobblestone staring you down for the rest of your life, proving you're a failure at digging out an underground house
03:10 khonkhortisan      that's why
03:10 xcgurl08           because that's the only plausible situation I can think of when you would want to hide where you dug
03:10 xcgurl08           you can make an underground house?
03:10 xcgurl08           I did not know this
03:10 xcgurl08           though I intend to hollow out a mountain and make that part of my house
03:10 xcgurl08           lol
03:10 khonkhortisan      well depends on what you mean by house
03:10 khonkhortisan      there's a nice furniture mod too
03:10 xcgurl08           a furniture mod?
03:10 xcgurl08           btw..
03:10 xcgurl08           I cannot figure out how to make a bed to save my life
03:11 khonkhortisan      beds come with a mod, they're not default
03:11 xcgurl08           when you say nice furniture mod..
03:11 xcgurl08           do you mean the mod is nice
03:11 xcgurl08           or the mod makes the furniture look nicer
03:11 khonkhortisan      furniture is better than blocks
03:11 xcgurl08           what
03:11 xcgurl08           you build your house out of furniture?
03:12 khonkhortisan      ¿ I've never tried that
03:12 xcgurl08           but you said furniture is better than blocks
03:12 khonkhortisan      a single chair node is better than building a chair out of multiple cube nodes
03:12 xcgurl08           why would you build a chair out of multiple cube nodes
03:12 xcgurl08           that wouldn't even look right
03:13 khonkhortisan      Because of not knowing about the furniture mod
03:13 xcgurl08           is anyone here...possibly like...have a medical background
03:13 xcgurl08           btw, I still don't understand mods completely
03:13 khonkhortisan      Would you, by any chance, happen to know someone whose name abbreviates to LM?
03:13 xcgurl08           I understand a little...based off of what tank told me
03:13 xcgurl08           no
03:13 xcgurl08           why?
03:14 khonkhortisan      one of your ip numbers is similar
03:14 xcgurl08           >_>
03:14 xcgurl08           do you know this person
03:14 khonkhortisan      no
03:15 khonkhortisan      some people here don't like him
03:15 xcgurl08           oh
03:15 xcgurl08           the only people I've met are tank and..this other guy whose name starts with c..like old coder or something like that
03:15 xcgurl08           you know what
03:15 xcgurl08           I wish trees respawned
03:16 xcgurl08           and tank, I have cut down a lot of leaves and I have not found a single apple
03:18 T_A_N_K            hun, this isn't minecraft
03:18 xcgurl08           you said there were apples...
03:19 T_A_N_K            yes, on apple trees
03:19 T_A_N_K            stop looking at the minecraft wiki lol
03:19 xcgurl08           I'm looking at the minetest wiki
03:19 xcgurl08           I haven't found any apple trees...
03:21 khonkhortisan      dig the trunk only. The leaves will disappear and some of them will drop saplings.
03:22 khonkhortisan      Plant the saplings. Some of the trees will grow with apples.
03:22 xcgurl08           oooh
03:22 xcgurl08           I've been using the saplings for fuel
03:22 khonkhortisan      ahahahaha
03:22 khonkhortisan      I use leaves for fuel
03:22 xcgurl08           but the saplings are better fuel than the leaves...
03:22 khonkhortisan      but you're supposed to use coal I think
03:23 xcgurl08           it uses up like 3 units of leaves for each unit produced
03:23 khonkhortisan      saplings are better when you plant them and use the whole tree as fuel
03:23 xcgurl08           and it produces 2 units for every sapling unit
03:23 xcgurl08           how do you plant a sapling
03:24 leo_rockw          the apples are visible, they don't drop from the leaves when you dig the leaves.
03:24 khonkhortisan      right click
03:24 xcgurl08           I haven't seen any apples
03:24 xcgurl08           not a single apple
03:24 khonkhortisan      the same way you place everything else
03:24 xcgurl08           I've looked and looked and looked
03:24 khonkhortisan      plant about ten trees, and wait one game day.
03:24 xcgurl08           all over
03:24 leo_rockw          xcgurl08: they grow over time
03:24 xcgurl08           and not a single apple
03:24 xcgurl08           how long do they take to grow?
03:25 khonkhortisan      I believe apple trees aren't created with the world anymore.
03:25 xcgurl08           ...what
03:25 khonkhortisan      Anywhere to a few seconds to a few minutes?
03:25 khonkhortisan      You have to plant your own apple trees
03:25 xcgurl08           oh
03:25 xcgurl08           how do you get apple saplings
03:25 khonkhortisan      there's only one kind of sapling if you don't have mods
03:25 khonkhortisan      which add banana and cocoa saplings
03:26 xcgurl08           but what about apple saplings?
03:26 khonkhortisan      tree saplings have a chance of growing apple trees
03:26 xcgurl08           okay I really need someone with medical experience...
03:26 khonkhortisan      why medical?
03:26 xcgurl08           my vagina is killing me
03:26 khonkhortisan      apples for health?
03:27 khonkhortisan      the channel topic isn't related to that
03:27 xcgurl08           I know
03:27 xcgurl08           oh no
03:27 xcgurl08           something happened
03:28 xcgurl08           I got out of my house and this popup window appeared
03:28 xcgurl08           and my pickaxe started mining by itself
03:28 khonkhortisan      ?
03:28 khonkhortisan      your mouse is acting up?
03:28 xcgurl08           it says..
03:28 xcgurl08           CM: animated meshes
03:28 xcgurl08           CM: animated meshes (far)
03:28 khonkhortisan      Click in the window and press Esc?
03:28 xcgurl08           CM: blocks drawn
03:28 khonkhortisan      I forget the button for that
03:29 xcgurl08           I figured it out
03:29 xcgurl08           yay
03:29 khonkhortisan      F6
03:29 khonkhortisan      hey, there's a screenshot button!
03:30 xcgurl08           are you being sarcastic again
03:30 khonkhortisan      You know your patch is simple when you can explain it using only two pictures and no text
03:30 khonkhortisan      I've been running a separate snapshot program
03:31 xcgurl08           oh
03:31 khonkhortisan      Yes I will be sarcastic but that wasn't
03:31 khonkhortisan      I try to make it obvious
03:32 xcgurl08           btw..what country are you from
03:32 khonkhortisan      western USA
03:32 xcgurl08           what does khonkhortisan mean
03:32 xcgurl08           it sounds like kazakhstan
03:32 khonkhortisan      Washington not-dc
03:33 xcgurl08           lol I wonder if I'm making all these people leave
03:33 khonkhortisan      It's a combination of konqueror the web/file browser, conquistador, the -san symbol of respect, and the naming style of the characters in the game Soulfu.
03:34 khonkhortisan      It's very unique, and lets me live on the internet as an avatar :P
03:34 xcgurl08           ah...
03:34 khonkhortisan      I always call that one country krgybrgystan
03:34 xcgurl08           do you live near seattle?
03:34 khonkhortisan      north of it, yes
03:35 xcgurl08           what's ksea like?
03:35 xcgurl08           I've always wondered
03:35 khonkhortisan      ksea?
03:35 xcgurl08           sea-tac
03:35 khonkhortisan      tall buildings, traffic, too much business for me. The freeway is wide.
03:35 xcgurl08           I'm referring to the airport
03:36 khonkhortisan      The parking has spirals on the sides
03:37 xcgurl08           ooh that's cool
03:38 khonkhortisan      http://seattletravel.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/seatac-airport1.jpg
03:38 xcgurl08           I wish you could change the color of the furnace...
03:39 xcgurl08           it's very hard to distinguish from the floor
03:39 khonkhortisan      you're supposed to put it in the wall
03:39 khonkhortisan      along with the chest
03:39 xcgurl08           IN the wall?
03:39 xcgurl08           how?
03:39 khonkhortisan      dig a hole in the wall, place the furnace there
03:39 xcgurl08           I swear there is a glitch every time I play this game
03:40 khonkhortisan      like what?
03:40 xcgurl08           I cannot move the chest because every time I try to destroy it so it shows up in my inventory, it pops up again
03:41 khonkhortisan      you have to take _everything_ out of it to move it, unless you have the worldedit or mesecon (or technic?) mods
03:41 khonkhortisan      chests only move while empty
03:41 xcgurl08           there is nothing in it
03:42 khonkhortisan      sometimes there's lag where stuff comes back
03:42 khonkhortisan      because the client couldn't tell that the server got the message
03:42 xcgurl08           wait why would you want to be able to make the chest part of the wall
03:42 xcgurl08           doesn't that defeat the point
03:42 khonkhortisan      if your wall is two thick it works, or if you put it under the stairway to the second floor
03:43 khonkhortisan      or just against the wall like a bookcase
03:43 xcgurl08           how do you make stairs?
03:43 xcgurl08           I saw that you could make slabs..
03:43 xcgurl08           for stairs
03:43 xcgurl08           but that isn't very explanatory
03:43 khonkhortisan      three on the bottom row, two on the middle row, one on the top row
03:43 xcgurl08           what
03:43 xcgurl08           I don't get it
03:44 khonkhortisan      craft three-step stairs
03:44 T_A_N_K            now i am happy with creative mode, i hope to see a server with it soon
03:44 khonkhortisan      http://www.minecraft-craftingguide.com/images/Crafting-stairs.gif
03:45 xcgurl08           OOOH
03:45 xcgurl08           so if you make two floors, how many of those do you need
03:45 khonkhortisan      you place them the same way you would as if you didn't have them
03:45 khonkhortisan      still a 1-to-1 slope
03:45 khonkhortisan      how tall is your room?
03:45 xcgurl08           well the thing is
03:45 xcgurl08           I want to bulid it down
03:46 xcgurl08           build
03:46 xcgurl08           does that make sense
03:46 xcgurl08           like right now my room is at the top of the mountain
03:46 xcgurl08           and I want to build down into the mountain
03:46 khonkhortisan      One will be in your floor, then however tall your room is is how many you'll need past that
03:47 xcgurl08           ok
03:47 khonkhortisan      for a 2-tall room you'll need 3. For a four-tall room you'll need 5
03:47 xcgurl08           so basically each stair is equal to 1 block
03:47 khonkhortisan      yes, unless you use slabs or quarter slabs
03:47 xcgurl08           so what I don't get yet is..
03:47 xcgurl08           what is the point of this game
03:48 khonkhortisan      Because mods were removed from the game this version, there isn't really a survival mode. The point is to build, like with legos. Or for some people, the purpose is to destroy what other people made.
03:49 khonkhortisan      *Because mobs were removed...
03:51 xcgurl08           I got apples, yay!
03:51 khonkhortisan      good. There's just one thing you should know, it's easy to accidentally eat apples when you try to place something without realizing what you're holding
03:51 xcgurl08           hey does lava exist in this game?
03:52 NekoGloop          Yes.
03:52 leo_rockw          xcgurl08: there isn't really a point...
03:52 xcgurl08           can you still create a portal to the networld then?
03:52 xcgurl08           nether
03:52 NekoGloop          Dig down; you find it in underground pools.
03:52 leo_rockw          I think there was a nether mod
03:52 NekoGloop          No there is no fucking nether.
03:52 xcgurl08           oh
03:52 xcgurl08           :(
03:52 xcgurl08           then what's the point of lava
03:53 NekoGloop          To have lava?
03:53 leo_rockw          there are cobblestone generators
03:53 leo_rockw          and there's an obsidian mod
03:53 khonkhortisan      there's a minetest nether mod
03:53 NekoGloop          If he's in vanilla minetest he can't make cobble generators, you know this.
03:53 xcgurl08           I'm a girl....
03:54 leo_rockw          NekoGloop: oh, I thought it was in vanilla
03:54 xcgurl08           what's a cobble generator
03:54 khonkhortisan      neko joined later and didn't get that information
03:54 NekoGloop          And i'm supposed to know this how?
03:54 leo_rockw          khonkhortisan: the nickname is a giveaway
03:54 xcgurl08           my username is xcGURL
03:54 khonkhortisan      lava source and water source flowing at eachother
03:54 leo_rockw          NekoGloop: "gurl"
03:54 khonkhortisan      oh.
03:54 NekoGloop          To me your name looked like a jumble of letters, sorry.
03:54 xcgurl08           lol
03:54 khonkhortisan      I just see a jumble of letters, too
03:54 leo_rockw          I thought cobblestone generator was in vanilla
03:54 xcgurl08           oh my
03:54 xcgurl08           really?
03:55 leo_rockw          I know it's in skyblockk
03:55 leo_rockw          block*
03:55 xcgurl08           what's skyblock??
03:55 khonkhortisan      you start in the air
03:55 NekoGloop          It's in skyblock because it has to be.
03:55 xcgurl08           btw, can you build on top of clouds
03:55 leo_rockw          it's a mod with an air island
03:55 NekoGloop          Now stop confusing the poor person.
03:55 xcgurl08           what is a cobblestone generator
03:55 leo_rockw          NekoGloop: I THOUGHT it was part of vanilla.
03:55 xcgurl08           and what is vanilla
03:55 xcgurl08           what is vanilla?!?!?!
03:55 NekoGloop          Vanilla == minetest with no mods.
03:55 khonkhortisan      there's sky clouds and cloud blocks, two separate things. You can't get buildable cloud normally.
03:55 leo_rockw          vanilla is the default game without mods
03:56 leo_rockw          oh, cloud blocks can be mined?
03:56 khonkhortisan      You will hear the word vanilla used in this sense in the future
03:56 khonkhortisan      cloud blocks can be taken out of the creative inventory
03:56 xcgurl08           oh
03:56 NekoGloop          Cobblestone generator == something you cant do in vanilla minetest.
03:56 xcgurl08           I have inventory plus mod...
03:56 xcgurl08           WHY DID HE LEAVE
03:56 xcgurl08           NO
03:56 xcgurl08           D:
03:57 NekoGloop          Ok, so i assume you know how to install mods then?
03:57 khonkhortisan      my keyboard spazzed out and killed xchat
03:57 khonkhortisan      ctrl-something
03:57 NekoGloop          khonkhortisan: alt+F4, maybe?
03:57 xcgurl08           oh yay he's back
03:57 xcgurl08           umm
03:57 xcgurl08           I know how to add mods...
03:57 NekoGloop          xcgurl08: Good.
03:58 xcgurl08           but I don't quite dependencies
03:58 xcgurl08           quite get*
03:58 xcgurl08           like I added the home mod and it didn't work at first
03:58 xcgurl08           it crashed my game
03:58 NekoGloop          Can we continue this in private chat so we are not interrupted?
03:58 xcgurl08           and then I found out I needed the inventory plus mod
03:58 khonkhortisan      ctrl-q where your ctrl-x is
03:58 T_A_N_K            goodnight
03:59 khonkhortisan      (a urinary tract infection is a possibility)
04:24 khonkhortisan      still there?
04:26 OldCoder
04:26 OldCoder           Hi
04:26 OldCoder           Servers going down for backups
04:27 OldCoder           Servers started again
04:36 ecube              what server
04:36 khonkhortisan      all ten of them
04:36 leo_rockw          I am still here
04:37 khonkhortisan      gurl went quiet
04:37 leo_rockw          she left
04:38 khonkhortisan      how do I find your server list if you're not here to give a link?
04:38 khonkhortisan      wowiammithril
04:39 khonkhortisan      found it
04:39 wowiamdiamonds     wowyouarekhonkhortisan
04:39 leo_rockw          I've never seen mithril o.o
04:39 leo_rockw          I barely play any MT, though.
04:39 khonkhortisan      it's only 500 down
04:39 OldCoder           ecube, I run 10 servers; just backed them up
04:39 leo_rockw          yeah, I never reach that far down
04:39 khonkhortisan      http://oldcoder.org/general/minetest/index.html
04:39 OldCoder           khonkhortisan, hi
04:39 OldCoder           That is the link
04:39 khonkhortisan      dig straight down with a water tunnel
04:40 khonkhortisan      mine any caves you see, go straight through any lava you come across
04:40 leo_rockw          I have the oxygen mod, so I can't really do that
04:40 khonkhortisan      you'll have plenty of ores
04:40 khonkhortisan      that's just a challenge
04:40 khonkhortisan      water spiral staircase?
04:40 leo_rockw          that would work, I guess
04:41 leo_rockw          or I could just make steel tools as required
04:41 leo_rockw          and never get mithril o.o
04:46 khonkhortisan      you should get gold and copper and whatever copper goes with and that other light gray/blue one
04:46 khonkhortisan      Anyone build anything good on skyblock?
04:47 khonkhortisan      VanessaE, you're on my property
04:48 khonkhortisan      :P
04:48 leo_rockw          khonkhortisan: bronze.
04:49 leo_rockw          I mean, you need tin for it, but you get bronze.
04:49 * khonkhortisan    really wants copper blocks
04:51 khonkhortisan      I don't know where to get skyblock coal lumps from
04:52 leo_rockw          doesn't it have charcoal mod included?
04:53 khonkhortisan      some people are on level 3 and I'm 9/10 on level 1
04:54 leo_rockw          I haven't played since levels were included
04:54 khonkhortisan      I don't know where to get more lava
04:54 khonkhortisan      other than stealing it from people
04:56 khonkhortisan      I move the tree from the bottom to the top and it just disappears
04:56 * VanessaE         is back
04:57 VanessaE           regarding coal, you get it by crafting smooth stone + coal = core ore, which you then dig.  each craft gives back 2 coal, so you have to multiply it over time
04:57 VanessaE           similar for iron
04:57 OldCoder           Zzz
04:57 VanessaE           that's why you keep all the leaves, to use them as fuel while you build up your stock of coal
04:57 khonkhortisan      oh.
04:57 VanessaE           also, I just built where I spawned at :-)
04:58 khonkhortisan      So I would've lost if I used my coal
04:58 khonkhortisan      Do I steal the lava or does it give me more?
04:58 VanessaE           you have to take it, good idea to store some for later in case you die
05:02 khonkhortisan      What are the coordinates to Mazebint?
05:03 VanessaE           who?
05:03 khonkhortisan      30005
05:03 VanessaE           haven't used that server
05:07 khonkhortisan      trampolines are dangerous
05:07 VanessaE           yup
05:08 VanessaE           crank one of those to max and start bouncing. :-)
05:08 VanessaE           but be sure you have a cushion nearby ;-)
05:08 khonkhortisan      I placed lots of them under me while bouncing and my screen got stuck red
05:08 khonkhortisan      I can't do anything
05:08 VanessaE           oops
05:09 khonkhortisan      it might be stuck in a kill-me loop
05:09 VanessaE           lag?
05:09 khonkhortisan      can't turn, have no hearts, screen is staying red, can't open inventory, no escape
05:09 VanessaE           I've noticed that of my test world lately, because of bas080's jungletrees mod.  Takes a few seconds after the world appears before the server responds to my actions
05:09 khonkhortisan      screen doesn't update, it's a freeze
05:09 VanessaE           that's a server crash
05:10 khonkhortisan      cool
05:10 khonkhortisan      I dragged a terminal over minetest and it stayed there
05:10 khonkhortisan      now it's crashing because it's trying to steal the screen from the other minetest
05:10 VanessaE           lol
05:10 khonkhortisan      xkill takes care of that
05:11 VanessaE           time for killall -KILL xxxx
05:11 VanessaE           :-)
05:11 khonkhortisan      
05:11 khonkhortisan      I get the you died message after connecting
05:13 khonkhortisan      ha! second rejoin I recovered
05:14 khonkhortisan      If you die on a trampoline your screen still blinks red
05:14 khonkhortisan      haha I can cheat by dying, bouncing, and respawning. I get thrown up when I spawn
05:15 khonkhortisan      don't run at a trampoline, you also get stuck
05:16 anunakki           think i'm gonna have to setup a public server
05:16 anunakki           i cant find any good ones :(
05:16 khonkhortisan      develan.com:30007
05:16 anunakki           ty
05:16 anunakki           <3
05:34 khonkhortisan      30007 has creative but no /giveme. what gives?
05:40 VanessaE           well the server apparently doesn't anyway
05:40 VanessaE           ;)
05:40 khonkhortisan      I want wool stairs, can't make an asphalt road without it
05:40 VanessaE           bug calinou :-)
05:41 khonkhortisan      I already have, one pull request merged, two on the way and one issue.
05:41 VanessaE           I thought of adding some basic slabs/stairs out of wool for homedecor to use for couches/chairs but decided against it
05:43 khonkhortisan      I'm waiting on inclusion of right-handed half stairs for a walkable sierpinski pyramid
05:44 khonkhortisan      And with quarter slabs you can run down a hill without getting hurt
05:44 khonkhortisan      ooh, a gloopore!
05:45 khonkhortisan      the extra-size railroad on redcrab has inspired me to make an extra-size road
05:46 VanessaE           railroad?
05:46 VanessaE           where?
05:46 khonkhortisan      http://minetestbb.suret.net/w01.png
05:46 khonkhortisan      top-left, with a dashed line trying to get to the spawn
05:46 VanessaE           I see it
05:46 VanessaE           I wondered what that was
05:46 khonkhortisan      8 nodes wide
05:47 khonkhortisan      gravel and four-long logs with stone panels for rail
05:47 VanessaE           nice
05:47 VanessaE           that had to have taken a massive amount of gravel
05:49 khonkhortisan      how long should I make those white dashed lane dividers on the road?
05:50 VanessaE           how wide is the road?
05:50 VanessaE           will-it-be
05:50 khonkhortisan      the double-yellow line is 3, with 4 gray on the sides, so 11
05:50 khonkhortisan      the railroad is only 8
05:51 khonkhortisan      I'm on coder's open server
05:51 VanessaE           mmm
05:51 VanessaE           well you'll need to widen it to 5 on each side, then you can make it a proper 4-lane road then
05:51 khonkhortisan      and it takes soo long to go from a pickaxe to wool in the creative inventory
05:51 VanessaE           make the dashed lines 3 long
05:51 khonkhortisan      if it's four lanes how wide is the lane?
05:52 VanessaE               2
05:52 khonkhortisan      the center yellow line takes 3, the dimensions wouldn't be right.
05:52 VanessaE           so W G G W G G Y G Y G G W G G W
05:52 VanessaE           White, grey, Yellow
05:52 VanessaE           hrm
05:52 khonkhortisan      I have infinite materials
05:52 VanessaE           well make the lanes 3 wide then (plus the stripes)
05:53 VanessaE           W GGG W GGG YGY GGG W GGG W
05:53 khonkhortisan      I'm using dark gray
05:53 VanessaE           that's far wider than you planned but the proportions would look right anyway
05:53 VanessaE           ok dark grey then :-)
05:53 khonkhortisan      I want it to be wide
05:54 VanessaE           a player usually needs 3 nodes wide for an elevated road to be safe, so 3-node-wide lanes sounds right to me
05:54 VanessaE           (plus the stripes)
05:55 khonkhortisan      if I'm not paying attention I act like a drunk driver on a three-wide elevated road, making square turns on a straight road.
05:55 VanessaE           haha
05:55 VanessaE           maybe you should put a line of glass wall slabs down on top of the stripes ;)
05:56 RealBadAngel       dont forget the lane for bikes
05:56 khonkhortisan      I'll add the white lines on the sides too
05:56 khonkhortisan      then I'd have to draw a bike symbol
05:56 RealBadAngel       morning :)
05:56 khonkhortisan      not for two more hours
05:56 VanessaE           hi RBA
05:57 khonkhortisan      those trees are so small compared to my road
05:57 RealBadAngel       what a beautifull morning we have today
05:57 RealBadAngel       i can smell weekend in the air
05:57 VanessaE           khonkhortisan: think of them as bushes :-)
05:58 khonkhortisan      I'm developing rules for the height of the road on varying height terrain. I'm settling on the height of the ground at the lowest point on the line across the road
05:59 VanessaE           tht works
05:59 VanessaE           Calinou: add wool stairs/slabs/etc plz ;-)
05:59 VanessaE           khonkhortisan: ninja'd :D
05:59 Calinou            hi :P
05:59 khonkhortisan      oh hi
05:59 khonkhortisan      I have three issues for you
05:59 * Calinou          read some channel logs yesterday, his internet was down
05:59 * Calinou          needs to fix the moreores pickaxe names
06:00 RealBadAngel       why?
06:02 Calinou            done
06:03 VanessaE           Calinou: seen the latest homedecor?
06:05 Calinou            no
06:05 Calinou            now I seen it :P
06:07 VanessaE           :P
06:12 VanessaE           hi cornernote
06:13 cornernote         hey V
06:13 khonkhortisan      I can't see whether you pulled my branch or not, can I?
06:14 cornernote         changelog ?
06:14 khonkhortisan      between when someone looks at my branch and when they upload the merge
06:16 Calinou            khonkhortisan: merged the pull request about plankstone and checkers
06:16 khonkhortisan      Isn't that a great description?
06:17 khonkhortisan      I couldn't figure out bricks
06:17 Calinou            you're not using UV maps, btw, just rotated textures
06:18 khonkhortisan      close enough :)
06:19 khonkhortisan      I like the admin pickaxe
06:33 khonkhortisan      hey my page autoupdated to closed, it interrupted me from asphalt-pouring
06:36 khonkhortisan      I guess a road doesn't have to be flat sideways if it doesn't have to be flat forward
06:44 VanessaE           there.
06:44 VanessaE           Now homedecor can make its own white paint for the items therein that need it (compatible/interchangeable with unified dyes)
06:45 khonkhortisan      I was looking at the last issue, and it updated to closed but the number of issues didn't update with it.
06:46 VanessaE           odd
06:48 khonkhortisan      maybe I shouldn't assume people know which side of the road to drive on
06:48 VanessaE           good idea :-)
06:49 VanessaE           might have a few crazy Britons try to use the wrong side :D
06:50 khonkhortisan      in any large-scale construction project, you start to realize a stack doesn't go far
06:50 VanessaE           /giveme wool:dark_gray 9999
06:50 VanessaE           :-)
06:50 khonkhortisan      no /giveme, only creative
06:50 VanessaE           (or however the node name is spelled)
06:50 VanessaE           oh
06:51 VanessaE           well at least all the wool colors are confined to the last two pages
06:51 khonkhortisan      huh. What if I just placed the wool where the land was and didn't try to flatten it?
06:51 khonkhortisan      nah, that'd be too bumpy
06:51 VanessaE           no
06:51 VanessaE           definitely not
06:51 VanessaE           flat roads are good :-)
06:52 VanessaE           unless you wanna get creative and bend around/over mountains and such
06:52 VanessaE           build a length of US Route 66 or something :-)
06:52 khonkhortisan      where do screenshots go?
06:52 VanessaE           "It moved with the land, you know?  It rose, it fell, it curved."
06:53 VanessaE           I use my personal webspace for screenshots, others seem to like ompldr etc
06:53 khonkhortisan      I mean F12
06:53 VanessaE           oh
06:53 VanessaE           by default, the current directory you started the client from
06:53 VanessaE           you can tweak minetest.conf to set a specific path if you want
06:53 VanessaE           screenshot_path = /home/you  etc.
06:54 khonkhortisan      /src/minetest/bin/..
06:54 VanessaE           nono
06:54 khonkhortisan      http://www.flickr.com/photos/79516830@N05/8055927547/in/photostream
06:54 VanessaE           defaults to your cwd.
06:54 khonkhortisan      so bin/minetest is .
06:55 VanessaE           nice.  Suggestion:  use another color, maybe just sand or sandstone, for the shoulders.
06:55 VanessaE           but now that I think about it, don't make it hilly at all.
06:55 VanessaE           keep it flat or wait for Calinou to add wool stairs
06:57 Calinou            wool stairs would add a lot of node definitions :/ there are a lot already
06:57 VanessaE           so? :-)
06:57 khonkhortisan      for all the colors
06:57 VanessaE           we have node defs to burn :-)
06:57 khonkhortisan      so we need to categorize our creative inventory and it will be less of a problem
06:58 VanessaE           khonkhortisan: I suggested that ages ago.  No one listened.
06:58 VanessaE           Calinou: we do need wool stairs/slabs/etc.
06:58 Calinou            <VanessaE> we have node defs to burn :-) < 4096, and if you have mesecons and technic, a lot of them are used
06:59 VanessaE           mesecons uses about 125 or so nodes.  technic slightly less.
06:59 Calinou            27 nodes for a type of block in stairsplus... fair enough, but that'll still slow down game loading :P
06:59 VanessaE           not really
06:59 VanessaE           most of that data stays on the server
06:59 Calinou            when you play singleplayer
07:00 VanessaE           all the client receives is the node defs, but the textures are already there
07:00 VanessaE           eh, true.  Oh well
07:00 VanessaE           blame c55 for his braindead extrude routine :-)
07:04 Calinou            mod question: how can I know which face of a node someone is pointing (bottom/top/side)?
07:05 VanessaE           oh hell you would ask today
07:05 VanessaE           just the day before yesterday I was playing with that function
07:05 RealBadAngel       VanessaE, wrong. technic now uses circa 500 nodes
07:05 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: holy moly
07:05 VanessaE           ok 500 nodes.
07:06 VanessaE           Calinou: minetest.dir_to_facedir(placer:get_look_dir())
07:06 VanessaE           (I use it in my doors code)
07:07 VanessaE           fdir = minetest.dir_to_facedir(placer:get_look_dir()), then param2=fdir when you say, add_node()
07:07 Calinou            yeah but, that's looking direction, not the face of a node you're pointing to...
07:07 VanessaE           OH
07:07 RealBadAngel       ive added just 3 new kinds of wires
07:07 VanessaE           get the node def, then extract param2
07:07 VanessaE           get_node().param2 or so
07:07 RealBadAngel       that itself is 3*64
07:09 RealBadAngel       and im lookin for a way to apply colors (16) on tubes
07:09 RealBadAngel       to indicate the filters
07:10 RealBadAngel       same as i did with gold chests
07:10 RealBadAngel       which is actually scary a bit
07:11 RealBadAngel       that could mean 64*16 nodes
07:11 RealBadAngel       or we could go for this:
07:12 RealBadAngel       https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/tree/meta_set_nodedef
07:13 RealBadAngel       which could bring us back to single node definitions again
07:14 RealBadAngel       the code is *almost* working
07:14 RealBadAngel       have some glitches
07:14 Calinou            node definitions are "created" on the go actually
07:14 Calinou            still better than having a fuffton of node definitions at loading
07:15 RealBadAngel       i think no
07:15 Calinou            RealBadAngel: omg! c55 committed "Something"!
07:15 Calinou            :P
07:15 RealBadAngel       this way we get rid of thousands of extra nodes
07:15 RealBadAngel       just by allowing to change on the fly
07:16 RealBadAngel       so furnace will be just one node again
07:16 RealBadAngel       and all the tubes, wires and so on
07:16 RealBadAngel       each object
07:17 RealBadAngel       make grass, leaves weaving
07:17 RealBadAngel       anythin just by changin textures on the fly
07:18 RealBadAngel       engine is capable to do so
07:18 RealBadAngel       minetest is just restricted to not to use it
07:30 RealBadAngel       VanessaE, maybe you would like it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el9OFZ9UWbs
07:30 RealBadAngel       future of homedecor :)
07:32 RealBadAngel       courtessy of Irhlicht engine
07:37 Calinou            stairsplus now has slab/quarter slab merging :D
07:37 Calinou            see git repo
07:37 Calinou            have to go now
07:39 RealBadAngel       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W84gFvTVRb4
07:39 RealBadAngel       here comes the question why we cant have 3d players
07:40 RealBadAngel       or mobs
07:40 RealBadAngel       when this is possible
07:42 RealBadAngel       or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWfCRE-PeoM&feature=endscreen
07:44 VanessaE           Ok, another update to homedecor just went out.  Added a couple variations on a door type I put in yesterday.
07:44 VanessaE           enjoy :-)
07:48 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: looking at that "future of homedecor" vid now
07:49 VanessaE           shit
07:49 VanessaE           no. Just, no. :-)
07:49 VanessaE           get MT do be able to DO any of that first, then we'll talk :D
07:49 VanessaE           second video now
07:50 VanessaE           third now
07:50 VanessaE           seen the third one before.
07:51 VanessaE           is this possible?  Sure.  Will c55 do it?  no fucking way.
07:51 VanessaE           not minetesty-looking enough
07:51 VanessaE           (he thinks pipeworks doesn't fit the theme of the game because they're too round)
07:52 RealBadAngel       lol
07:53 RealBadAngel       seen blockscape by any chance?
07:53 VanessaE           no
07:53 VanessaE           RealBadAngel: go download the update of homedecor I just made.  Tell me what you think :-)
07:53 RealBadAngel       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFKlNskaRPU
07:53 VanessaE           watching
07:54 RealBadAngel       then watch, meanwhile i will dowload homedecor
07:54 VanessaE           nice
07:54 RealBadAngel       its minecraft like game
07:54 VanessaE           irrlicht can do this
07:54 VanessaE           ?
07:54 VanessaE           oh.
07:54 RealBadAngel       its authors own engine
07:55 VanessaE           well looking at the items in the inventory the demo has, and knowing what the game can do now, we can fake most of this
07:55 RealBadAngel       its an old vid
07:56 VanessaE           ahahah he uses the same sort of ceiling light fixtures I do :D
07:56 VanessaE           (the little white cubes)
07:57 RealBadAngel       the point is why we shall go in 8-bit direction style
07:58 RealBadAngel       when the engine alows us to fly
07:59 RealBadAngel       we could have game that minecraft could just sit and watch
08:00 RealBadAngel       but no. intel graphics cards are most valuable piece of hardware ever invented
08:01 RealBadAngel       i was makin lately some clean up in my hardware storage
08:01 VanessaE           meh
08:01 RealBadAngel       vid cards, memory sticks etc
08:01 VanessaE           I have a fucking kick-ass computer with a shit-hot-fast video card.  I WANT TO USE IT. :-)
08:01 VanessaE           (but I want to use it with stuff that's fun e.g. minetest)
08:02 RealBadAngel       threw some of them like old s3 virge, some intels
08:02 RealBadAngel       into the bin
08:02 RealBadAngel       simply
08:03 RealBadAngel       and someone is tellin me the game shall run on it
08:03 VanessaE           oh it'll run
08:03 VanessaE           for slow values of "run"
08:03 RealBadAngel       fuck
08:04 RealBadAngel       im not a poor african
08:04 VanessaE           that said, I still want my code to be as fast and lean as possible
08:04 RealBadAngel       and its 21st century for fuck sake
08:04 VanessaE           so at least my mods will run just fine on that old hardware anyway
08:04 VanessaE           it's the game that's slow :-/
08:05 RealBadAngel       that computer c55 is targetin my neigbours threw away
08:06 RealBadAngel       and im collectin that trash to get spare power supplies
08:06 RealBadAngel       or just cables
08:06 RealBadAngel       or the SCREWS
08:06 VanessaE           heh
08:07 RealBadAngel       those are more valuable than that fuckin intel video cards
08:07 VanessaE           I'm sure Intel makes decent CPUs, but their GPUs are shit.
08:08 RealBadAngel       theyre good to display windows loading logo
08:08 RealBadAngel       nothin more
08:08 * VanessaE         looks at the doors in homedecor.  7 types, with left/right versions = 14 total.
08:08 VanessaE           and yet someone is gonna ask me to add a steel door sooner or later (no.)
08:09 RealBadAngel       theyre already here
08:09 RealBadAngel       i mean steel doors
08:09 VanessaE           you like?
08:09 VanessaE           oh, yeah I know
08:09 RealBadAngel       pilzadams minetest_game
08:09 VanessaE           yes
08:10 VanessaE           does his fork use Xdoors² ?
08:10 RealBadAngel       and the water...
08:10 RealBadAngel       ive deleted original one
08:10 VanessaE           I like that one.  Ultimate replacement for default doors and old Xdoors.
08:10 RealBadAngel       and using pilzadams
08:13 RealBadAngel       i think i need to tune water mills
08:13 RealBadAngel       theyre givin way too much power
08:14 VanessaE           bbr
08:14 VanessaE           brb
08:14 RealBadAngel       two of them are more than enough to power furnace grinder and alloy furnace
08:20 iqualfragile       hi guys
09:48 VanessaE           Another homedecor update - minor bugfix (fancy exterior doors aliases were broken.  Fixed.)
09:48 VanessaE           TIme for me to head off to bed.
09:49 VanessaE           5 hours late.
12:46 PilzAdam           Hello everonye!
13:17 PilzAdam           signs mod is now on github: https://github.com/PilzAdam/signs
13:23 OldCoder           PilzAdam, Hello
13:23 PilzAdam           sup, OldCoder
13:29 NakedFury          hey both of you
13:58 NekoGloop          Mornin
13:58 PilzAdam           hi
14:48 RealBadAngel       hi folks
14:48 RealBadAngel       you there neko?
14:49 NekoGloop          Yep.
14:56 jordach_livedisc   right
14:56 jordach_livedisc   PilzAdam, i see you are on xbox live
14:57 jordach_livedisc   OldCoder, present
14:57 OldCoder           jordach_livedisc, hi
14:57 OldCoder           jordach_livedisc, I mailed you
14:59 jordach_livedisc   OldCoder, bug
15:00 OldCoder           Oh?
15:00 jordach_livedisc   im a windows nt (xp home ed) user
15:00 OldCoder           Then to restore the MBR you can use Windows?
15:00 jordach_livedisc   i cant boot into ti
15:00 jordach_livedisc   it
15:00 OldCoder           Go on
15:00 jordach_livedisc   grub_rescue happends
15:00 OldCoder           happends?
15:00 jordach_livedisc   happens
15:01 OldCoder           jordach_livedisc, I am not following; sorry. What is it that you need to do?
15:01 jordach_livedisc   i cant boot into windows
15:01 jordach_livedisc   i just get a grub_rescue prompt
15:03 OldCoder           All right
15:03 OldCoder           jordach_livedisc, it is unlikely that I can comment much; I can't see anything about the system. When you boot a Linux LiveCD are you able to mount Windows?
15:03 jordach_livedisc   i can mount the drive
15:03 OldCoder           All right
15:04 jordach_livedisc   gparted states that the windows drive has the flag: boot
15:04 OldCoder           jordach_livedisc, I'm afraid I can't debug this remotely. There are a number of possible issues. The thing is, I hate Windows.
15:04 * OldCoder         considers
15:04 OldCoder           jordach_livedisc, I don't really do Windows. But hold on a bit.
15:05 OldCoder           There is a Windows repair procedure
15:05 OldCoder           jordach_livedisc, Did you make a Windows repair CD while the system was functioning?
15:06 jordach_livedisc   no
15:06 OldCoder           That is sort of what you need
15:06 OldCoder           Hold on
15:06 jordach_livedisc   but i belive lilo (boot manager can fix this)
15:06 OldCoder           Yes; depending on the issue
15:07 OldCoder           jordach_livedisc, Boot a Linux LiveCD that includes syslinux and try ms-sys which I wrote you about
15:07 OldCoder           If the LiveCD does not include ms-sys you can probably use apt-get to install it
15:07 jordach_livedisc   would xubuntu suffice?
15:07 OldCoder           Probably
15:07 OldCoder           Checking
15:07 OldCoder           worth a try
15:07 OldCoder           sudo apt-get install ms-sys
15:07 OldCoder           See what that does
15:08 OldCoder           Never mind syslinux; just try the preceding command
15:10 jordach_livedisc   E: Unable to locate package ms-sys
15:12 OldCoder           jordach_livedisc, can you boot a current Ubuntu or Mint disk?
15:12 jordach_livedisc   im using xubuntu 11.10
15:14 jordach_livedisc   nor can i mount the partition
15:14 OldCoder           jordach_livedisc, When you say
15:14 OldCoder           <jordach_livedisc> nor can i mount the partition
15:15 OldCoder           Do you mean that Windows is not mountable after all?
15:15 jordach_livedisc   the drive was fine before i deleted the ubuntu partition
15:15 OldCoder           Do you mean that Windows is not mountable after all?
15:15 jordach_livedisc   i in fact removed it from windows
15:16 OldCoder           Removed what from Windows?
15:17 jordach_livedisc   the ubuntu partition
15:17 OldCoder           Then it was removed from the system and not Windows. All right.
15:17 OldCoder           Are you able to boot a Ubuntu or Mint disk?
15:17 OldCoder           Do you have one?
15:17 OldCoder           If not
15:18 OldCoder           Do you have another Windows system?
15:18 Calinou            jordach_livedisc: fixmbr is your friend
15:18 Calinou            boot windows in failsafe mode
15:18 Calinou            use "fixmbr" command
15:18 Calinou            (this removes any dual boot)
15:18 OldCoder           He is not able to get that far
15:18 OldCoder           IIRC
15:18 Calinou            or "fixboot", forgot
15:18 jordach_livedisc   OldCoder, no other windows system availible
15:18 OldCoder           There are a number of Windows procedures but he needs a repair disk
15:19 jordach_livedisc   my pc is the only thing that can burn discs
15:19 OldCoder           jordach_livedisc, Try downloading a Windows Repair ISO and burning it using Xubuntu
15:19 jordach_livedisc   1gb of ram
15:19 jordach_livedisc   i cant keep using ram to store things\
15:19 OldCoder           You don't need to
15:19 OldCoder           You have space on the hard disk
15:20 OldCoder           Create a temporary partition
15:20 OldCoder           Or install Ubuntu or Mint
15:20 jordach_livedisc   OldCoder, i cant
15:20 OldCoder           Go on
15:20 jordach_livedisc   if i could boot to bsd
15:20 jordach_livedisc   and burn a disc
15:20 OldCoder           There's a copy of BSD somewhere?
15:20 OldCoder           And what's preventing a Mint install?
15:21 jordach_livedisc   OldCoder, i am not going to wait another 60 mins for bsd
15:22 Calinou            your computer cannot boot from USB?
15:22 OldCoder           jordach_livedisc, as you wish
15:22 jordach_livedisc   Calinou, cant
15:22 jordach_livedisc   because acer
15:22 OldCoder           jordach_livedisc, I'd burn or install Ubuntu or Mint
15:24 Calinou            minecraft changelog: "The left-click action will no longer open doors, pull levers, push buttons or open trapdoors. Use the right mouse button!"
15:24 Calinou            :|
15:25 Calinou            being a noob in MC is now forbidden 8D
15:25 T_A_N_K            cornernote, i have a requium for you
15:25 Calinou            jordach_livedisc: why can't acer computers boot USB? is it a recent computer?
15:25 jordach_livedisc    2006
15:26 OldCoder           Servers going down to install latest homedecor update
15:26 OldCoder           Servers restarted
15:26 NekoGloop          Calinou: The right click does that?
15:27 NekoGloop          goddamn, i broke all those doors in creative mode for no reason?
15:27 jordach_livedisc   http://i.imgur.com/uA8AB.png
15:27 jordach_livedisc   OldCoder, http://i.imgur.com/uA8AB.png
15:27 Calinou            in minetest: no :(, in minecraft: yes
15:27 OldCoder           Reviewing
15:27 OldCoder           jordach_livedisc, What is this a picture of?
15:27 jordach_livedisc   GPARTED
15:28 Calinou            http://www.minecraftforum.net/news/621-prepaid-minecraft-gift-cards-now-available/ < lol'd
15:28 OldCoder           jordach_livedisc, I wouldn't do that
15:28 OldCoder           jordach_livedisc, I'd burn or install Ubuntu or Mint
15:28 NekoGloop          youtube is now 1% more green
15:28 OldCoder           If you have disk space for a partition this should not be a problem
15:30 * jordach_livedisc starts installing xubuntu over bsd
15:31 * PilzAdam         is back
15:31 OldCoder           jordach_livedisc, wait; xubuntu doesn't seem to have an ms-sys package. If you go that route you'll need to build ms-sys.
15:31 OldCoder           Might work
15:31 jordach_livedisc   PilzAdam, wating DVD;s ftw
15:32 jordach_livedisc   OLDCODER http://i.imgur.com/VHf6R.png
15:32 OldCoder           Reviewing
15:33 jordach_livedisc   its still alive
15:33 OldCoder           Yes; that's as expected
15:36 T_A_N_K            can a moderator move the fancy game mode into mod releases
15:51 jordach_livedisc   OldCoder, even worse
15:51 OldCoder           ?
15:51 jordach_livedisc   reboots on attempt to install
15:51 OldCoder           Which?
15:51 jordach_livedisc   xubuntu
15:51 jordach_livedisc   on the deleted bsd partition
15:52 jordach_livedisc   OldCoder, there may still be a fix
15:52 OldCoder           Would it be possible simply to download an Ubuntu ISO; burn and boot that?
15:52 jordach_livedisc   im on a livedisc
15:52 jordach_livedisc   and cant install
15:52 jordach_livedisc   or do sio
15:52 jordach_livedisc   so
15:52 OldCoder           You can download an ISO to hard disk
15:52 OldCoder           Can you burn?
15:52 jordach_livedisc   cant mount drives
15:52 jordach_livedisc   okay
15:53 jordach_livedisc   fuck
15:53 jordach_livedisc   it mounted the windows drive
15:55 OldCoder           NekoGloop, wb
15:55 Mikeonline         hi
15:56 PilzAdam           sup, Mikeonline
15:56 Mikeonline         wazzup Pilz :)
15:57 Mikeonline         irgendeiner wollt gestern wissen wie man ne vogelscheuche crafted :D
15:57 Mikeonline         hab gesagt er soll dich fragen ;)
15:59 Mikeonline         PilzAdam
15:59 PilzAdam           ja?
15:59 Mikeonline         gibt es ne möglichkeit ne teilwelt zur seedwelt zurückzusetzen?
15:59 jordach_livedisc   OldCoder,
15:59 jordach_livedisc   im getting there
16:00 OldCoder           k
16:00 jordach_livedisc   The Master Boot Record of  /dev/sda  has been updated.
16:00 PilzAdam           Mikeonline, nein
16:00 jordach_livedisc   bbl
16:00 Mikeonline         hm das ist lame
16:00 Mikeonline         das sollte gehen
16:01 PilzAdam           i have a idea for water+lava
16:01 PilzAdam           water+lava_source -> stone
16:01 PilzAdam           water+lava_flowing -> cobble
16:01 NekoGloop          Well, i guess i'm dropping my gamemode.
16:02 rubenwardy         (5:01:37 PM) PilzAdam: water+lava_source -> stone
16:02 rubenwardy         (5:01:44 PM) PilzAdam: water+lava_flowing -> cobble
16:02 rubenwardy         In minecraft, water+source= obidstan,    and water+flowing = cobble
16:02 PilzAdam           i know
16:02 PilzAdam           in MC: not infinite lava
16:02 rubenwardy         you could make it pumice or a harder version of stone
16:03 Jordach            ot it
16:03 Jordach            got it
16:04 OldCoder           ?
16:04 NekoGloop          And noone cares about my gamemode.
16:04 NekoGloop          Wonderful.
16:04 OldCoder           ?
16:04 OldCoder           I am sure it is nice
16:04 NekoGloop          That's why i'm droppin it.
16:05 OldCoder           Why would you drop it?
16:05 Jordach            OldCoder - back in windows
16:05 OldCoder           Jordach, congrats. What did you do?
16:05 NekoGloop          Because noone wants it?
16:05 OldCoder           What is it?
16:05 Jordach            used lilo
16:05 OldCoder           Jordach, how?
16:05 Jordach            rewrote the /dev/sda boot
16:05 NekoGloop          It is a gamemode.
16:05 Jordach            and easy bcd will repair it to default
16:06 OldCoder           NekoGloop, I gathered that. What are the changes?
16:06 OldCoder           Jordach, what is easy bcd?
16:06 OldCoder           Jordach, and what did you do? For future reference
16:06 Jordach            a windows bootloader
16:06 OldCoder           Jordach, what did you do in LILO?
16:06 Jordach            well, changes it
16:06 NekoGloop          3 igneous rocks forming from different methods of water and lava colliding...
16:06 NekoGloop          Bricks of several materials...
16:06 OldCoder           NekoGloop, will this be a mod? A new *_game folder?
16:06 PilzAdam           https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/5f93204e4c7d1c0ceb2cb33ce427defbe207c0ba
16:07 NekoGloop          It wont be anything, because i'm dropping it.
16:07 OldCoder           What would it have been?
16:07 Jordach            sudo apt-get install lilo
16:07 Jordach            sudo lilo -M /dev/sda mbr
16:07 OldCoder           Jordach, Thank you!
16:07 Jordach            solved
16:07 NekoGloop          It would have been a gamemode.
16:07 OldCoder           Congrats again
16:07 OldCoder           NekoGloop, I am new to this. How would it have been activated or installed?
16:07 Jordach            but this no disk error
16:07 NekoGloop          Also, would have had clouds, treasure chests, et.
16:07 NekoGloop          etc*
16:07 OldCoder           NekoGloop, so; a new _game folder?
16:08 NekoGloop          OldCoder: By putting the folder into minetest/games/
16:08 OldCoder           NekoGloop, got it. If you write it I'll host it.
16:08 NekoGloop          Except i'm dropping it.
16:08 OldCoder           As you wish
16:08 OldCoder           If you change your mind let me know
16:08 NekoGloop          Because noone would want to play it.
16:08 OldCoder           The community may grow
16:08 OldCoder           I have some errands to run but will return
16:09 * OldCoder         salutes
16:09 PilzAdam           VanessaE, youre here?
16:10 Jordach            phew
16:10 Jordach            almost del'd my media partition
16:10 rubenwardy         (5:06:51 PM) PilzAdam: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/5f93204e4c7d1c0ceb2cb33ce427defbe207c0ba
16:10 rubenwardy         Awesome
16:18 PilzAdam           im bored: http://ompldr.org/vZnJreQ/Minetest_35.png
16:21 NekoGloop          My gamemode would have had seperate interaction requirements.
16:22 NekoGloop          For example, water touching lava source is obsidian, water source touching flowing lava is basalt, and flowing water touching flowing lava is pumice.
16:27 rubenwardy1        i hate it when it does this
16:31 Jordach            found my missing disk error
16:31 * Jordach          placed a cd-rw in the draw and its gone
16:31 Jordach            it was wubi trying to work
16:35 Jordach            PilzAdam - i may try your game
16:35 PilzAdam           good
16:35 Jordach            but not now
16:35 PilzAdam           not good
16:48 OldCoder           NekoGloop, then do it
16:49 NekoGloop          I've already done it.
16:49 OldCoder           k
16:49 NekoGloop          I'm just not releasing it.
16:49 NekoGloop          Because noone ever wants anything i make.
16:51 NekoGloop          Why waste space on the forums with something noone wants?
16:51 OldCoder           I would like it
16:51 OldCoder           And things build over time
16:51 OldCoder           Patience is a virtue
16:53 NekoGloop          And not wasting time is also a good one.
16:53 OldCoder           That is certainly true
16:53 NekoGloop          So why should i waste my time?
16:54 OldCoder           It does not follow
16:54 OldCoder           You have not established at all that your time would be wasted
16:54 khonkhortisan      OldCoder, you changed the mods last night on your open server
16:54 OldCoder           khonkhortisan, Just homedecor IIRC
16:54 khonkhortisan      my wool doesn't wrap screens the same
16:54 OldCoder           Is it affected by homedecor?
16:55 OldCoder           I do not recall changing anything else at all
16:55 khonkhortisan      it's the last thing in the creative inventory
16:55 OldCoder           Is it affected by homedecor?
16:55 OldCoder           I do not recall changing anything else at all
16:55 khonkhortisan      well, almost the last
16:55 khonkhortisan      I'm just saying it moved in the creative inventory because a mod now has a different number of nodes
16:55 OldCoder           khonkhortisan, see note above
16:55 NekoGloop          Homedecor is incapable of changing anything at the end of the creative invetnroy
16:55 OldCoder           That is interesting
16:56 NekoGloop          Because creative inventory is alphabetical including modname.
16:56 OldCoder           khonkhortisan, The complete changelog is on  my page. Nothing else has changed that I know of recently. People are welcome to help me isolate the issue.
16:57 OldCoder           I will be pleased to make any appropriate fixes
16:57 OldCoder           And once made
16:57 khonkhortisan      there's no issue, there were I think six wool on the next-to-last page, now there are two wool on the next-to-last page, because they were pushed to the last one.
16:57 OldCoder           It will all be automated
16:57 OldCoder           Are you requesting a change?
16:57 NekoGloop          No.
16:57 OldCoder           O.K. Thank you
16:57 * Jordach          considers changing building style http://i.imgur.com/t3rbx.png
16:57 NekoGloop          He means the pagenumbers for the things are different.
16:57 OldCoder           All right
16:57 Jordach            stairs+ + xdoors2 (with changes) + moreblocks
16:57 NekoGloop          Due to creative inventory growing/shrinking
16:58 Jordach            and chopped  ovo's pack
16:58 NekoGloop          Jordach: Pfft, house is wimpy.
16:58 NekoGloop          I've made a gigantic wooden mansion.
16:58 Jordach            NekoGloop, im trying for a new style
16:59 * Jordach          checks soundcloud
17:01 Jordach            people
17:01 Jordach            would anyone like to see a redesigned minetest.net
17:02 PilzAdam           yep
17:03 Jordach            im gunna make a image from powerpoint as an example
17:03 Jordach            then build it with dreamweaver
17:04 khonkhortisan      I take it wool checker would be worse than wool stair
17:05 khonkhortisan      Creative mode should automatically give you /giveme access to the creative inventory.
17:07 PilzAdam           i am realy bored: http://ompldr.org/vZnJsaQ
17:08 khonkhortisan      I see gates have their use
17:08 PilzAdam           yes
17:08 PilzAdam           delayers also delay the off signal
17:09 PilzAdam           with an and you can prevent this
17:13 * Calinou          installed git for windows a while ago, cloning his repos now
17:13 Calinou            not the github one, the "official" one
17:15 * Jordach          high fives Calinou
17:15 Calinou            looks like it doesn't want to clone for some reason *facepalms*
17:19 Jordach            http://i.imgur.com/rXW27.png PilzAdam
17:19 khonkhortisan      a mithril pickaxe can't dig a harmful cactus
17:19 PilzAdam           Jordach, too dark
17:19 Jordach            PilzAdam, suggestions?
17:19 * Calinou          updated thunderbird
17:19 PilzAdam           white and blue
17:19 Jordach            right
17:19 Calinou            PilzAdam: windows 8 much
17:19 PilzAdam           (not too much blue)
17:19 Calinou            outlook.com much
17:19 Calinou            :D
17:19 Calinou            Jordach: you're back on your computer? how?
17:20 Calinou            I like the current minetest.net, it's just fine
17:20 Jordach            the linux boot tool, lilo
17:20 Calinou            simple but the site just works
17:20 Jordach            Calinou, feels un-polished
17:20 Calinou            lilo *lol*
17:20 Jordach            Calinou, we want "new" players, not advocates like marktraceur
17:20 Calinou            it is polished, the site isn't hard to navigate through
17:20 * Jordach          winks
17:20 Calinou            lo
17:20 Calinou            ...lol
17:21 Calinou            minecraft.net isn't THAT polished anyway
17:21 Calinou            only the "Buy Now!" button is shiny
17:22 Jordach            yes exactlyu
17:22 Jordach            we want a better site that attracts
17:22 Calinou            polishing the website won't help; it does not change rank in search engines
17:22 Calinou            attracts? let's recode the whole site in flash and force everyone to use flash
17:22 OldCoder           Ugh
17:23 OldCoder           Sure; put all the text as images too
17:23 PilzAdam           Jordach, can you make the same site as you already created but with white background, blue lines and black font?
17:23 Jordach            PilzAdam maybe
17:24 Jordach            also http://www.angelfire.com/super/badwebs/
17:24 Jordach            thats a bad example
17:25 Calinou            git command line works... fuck GUIs :P
17:25 Jordach            PilzAdam http://i.imgur.com/t3LxA.png
17:26 Jordach            (ignore the black lines)
17:28 thexyz             why is it blue?
17:28 thexyz             that looks like powerpoint presentation slide
17:29 Jordach            thexyz, make a design thats acceptable, then make it
17:29 thexyz             (which came from... ummm... don't even know how old are those)
17:29 Jordach            you clearly don;t know how designing things work graphically
17:29 thexyz             Jordach: there's already good desing posted at forums
17:29 Jordach            thexyz, nothing like competition
17:30 Jordach            also, money on him never returning
17:30 rubenwardy1        (6:19:01 PM) Jordach: http://i.imgur.com/rXW27.png PilzAdam
17:30 rubenwardy1        Nice! I agree, it is too dark. Also, you should use nice game textures like stone (not cobble)
17:30 Jordach            with the html
17:30 thexyz             and your point sounded like "make better or shut up", i don't like it
17:30 Jordach            "humans strive for improvement"
17:30 Jordach            this explains the TV remote
17:31 thexyz             tv remote?
17:31 thexyz             pure laziness
17:31 Calinou            arch linux users are not lazy
17:31 Calinou            TRUTH
17:32 Jordach            rubenwardy1 using game texture kinda failed here: http://minecraft.net
17:32 thexyz             yes, it may be strange, but i prefer this design http://upload.maciejkwas.pl/plik5/home.jpg over your
17:33 Jordach            three bugs: out of data screenshots
17:33 Jordach            no actual video from screenshot
17:33 Calinou            there, cloned my mods repo, minetest and minetest_game
17:33 thexyz             what do you mean by "out of data"?
17:34 Jordach            out of date
17:34 thexyz             well, then what is "out of date"? do you mean those images from 0.2 era look weird?
17:34 thexyz             i think they can be replaced with ease
17:35 thexyz             btw, isn't that your comment "This looks fucking awesome compared to http://minecraft.net Looking at those images, I tried clicking the links."?
17:36 PilzAdam           gtg
17:36 PilzAdam           bye
17:36 Jordach            thexyz, wow factor
17:36 Jordach            that dies quickly for me
17:37 rubenwardy         (6:32:06 PM) Jordach: rubenwardy1 using game texture kinda failed here: http://minecraft.net
17:37 rubenwardy         true
17:37 rubenwardy         (6:32:27 PM) thexyz: yes, it may be strange, but i prefer this design http://upload.maciejkwas.pl/plik5/home.jpg over your
17:37 rubenwardy         I think that one looks too much of a selling point, which is against the meaning of the minetest community
17:37 rubenwardy         Jordach's is a simpler design, yet of course lacks some features which the previous one has
17:38 thexyz             well
17:38 rubenwardy         like a home page
17:38 rubenwardy         well, i guess the icon links to a home page
17:39 rubenwardy         brb, i am rebooting in ubuntu
17:39 thexyz             if anything good-looking looks for you "too much of a selling point" then let's create new page in pure html, without any css (who needs that except websites that sell stuff?)
17:39 thexyz             oh, he won't read it
17:39 Calinou            ubuntu users never read anything
17:39 Calinou            that's why
17:40 thexyz             why do he need to reboot to ubuntu?
17:40 thexyz             instead of staying with it
17:40 Calinou            maybe because his graphics card has shit drivers that doesn't let him play games
17:40 Calinou            or he ran something that wine didn't support :P
17:40 Calinou            inb4 wine is terrible
17:40 Calinou            inb4 me answers "no u"
17:41 thexyz             wine is awesome
17:41 thexyz             except they don't give a shit about my bug report
17:41 Jordach            thexyz, not always
17:41 thexyz             Jordach: ?
17:41 * Jordach          had to fix a broken MBR
17:41 thexyz             fix it by switching to GPT
17:42 Jordach            lilo saved the day
17:42 Jordach            rubenwardy, i am able to change the design to people's ideas
17:42 * Jordach          does not use a fixed POV
17:43 rubenwardy         thexyz: if anything good-looking looks for you "too much of a selling point" then let's create new page in pure html, without any css (who needs that except websites that sell stuff?)
17:43 rubenwardy         It does look very good, but may be a bit too selling.
17:43 rubenwardy         i would still vote for it
17:44 rubenwardy         actually, that could all be solve with a piece of text saying "free"
17:44 Jordach            rubenwardy, i have some css and html5 in the wings
17:44 Jordach            also, don't expect to see that page ever.
17:45 rubenwardy         i do like your design Jordach
17:45 rubenwardy         it is good
17:45 Jordach            rubenwardy, the world is headed to flat squares and colours
17:45 Jordach            see android, apple, google, microsoft
17:45 rubenwardy         true
17:45 rubenwardy         for mobile compatibility
17:46 Jordach            thats why mine works, (and its a better feel on a tablet, since i browse reguraly on one myself)
17:46 thexyz             free*
17:46 thexyz             *like in freedom (make rms happy)
17:46 Jordach            who the fuck is RMS
17:46 thexyz             Jordach: only microsoft does that
17:47 Jordach            thexyz; the pc age is OVER.
17:47 khonkhortisan      OldCoder, (now asking for a change) Can I have /giveme privs on the 30007 open creative server?
17:47 thexyz             oh, yes, yes
17:47 thexyz             Jordach: which device are you writing this from?
17:47 Jordach            android
17:47 thexyz             which device did you design that page?
17:47 Jordach                2.1
17:47 Jordach            my computer
17:47 Jordach            see: apple keynote
17:47 thexyz             then which device do you use to play minetest? to write mods for it
17:47 Jordach            tablet with osk
17:47 Jordach            teamviewer FTW
17:48 thexyz             Jordach: will that keynote shit work on non-pc?
17:48 Jordach            YES
17:48 thexyz             for example..?
17:48 Jordach            powerpoint
17:49 thexyz             keynote != powerpoint
17:49 thexyz             and, anyway, this all is shit
17:49 thexyz             smart users use LaTeX + beamer
18:01 Jordach            some russian CoD players challenged me to a 1 vs 8 team deathmatch...i won
18:03 khonkhortisan      Anyone want to help build a road?
18:03 thexyz             Jordach: oh, unbalanced shit ^^
18:03 Calinou            <thexyz> smart users use LaTeX + beamer
18:04 OldCoder           khonkhortisan, Sure; coming up
18:04 Calinou            latex... meh
18:04 thexyz             Calinou: ?
18:04 thexyz             it's awesome
18:04 Calinou            noone uses it 8D
18:04 thexyz             i don't need to know anything about formatting rules, breaking rules and all shit
18:04 Calinou            and it's not portable, the main reason
18:04 thexyz             Calinou: http://arxiv.org/
18:04 Calinou            same applies to python, ruby & co
18:04 thexyz             what's "portable"?
18:05 OldCoder           khonkhortisan, What is the priv name?
18:05 OldCoder           Can anybody else tell me what he meant?
18:05 Calinou            thexyz: works on any OS
18:05 Calinou            this means: other than linux
18:05 thexyz             Calinou: it works under windows & mac
18:05 Calinou            this is why noone uses GPG, as an example
18:06 Calinou            there is "portable" and "well-ported". python is portable but not well ported
18:06 Calinou            you need to edit python scripts, almost always
18:06 Calinou            not even funny
18:06 OldCoder           How do I give khonkhortisan the "giveme" he requested?
18:06 Calinou            OldCoder: "give" privilege
18:06 Calinou            gives /give and /giveme
18:06 OldCoder           k
18:06 thexyz             Calinou: you're doing it wrong
18:06 thexyz             when i used windows latex  (miktex) & python worked just fine
18:07 OldCoder           khonkhortisan, done on 30007
18:07 OldCoder           Indicate if you need anything else
18:07 OldCoder           If you succeed in building something despite the open nature of the world we'll move it to a protected world
18:07 OldCoder           BTW The world is backed up so let me know if you get griefed
18:08 khonkhortisan      oh.
18:09 khonkhortisan      I haven't gotten griefed at all in minetest yet, I even made an apple room on another server
18:09 OldCoder           Good luck
18:09 OldCoder           See above; I'll restore if there's a problem
18:11 khonkhortisan      okay
18:12 * Jordach          presses random button
18:15 khonkhortisan      So I was flying along, minding my own buisness, when a cactus jumped out and hit me!
18:21 * OldCoder         will be back in a couple of hours
18:21 OldCoder           Attack Cactus
18:21 OldCoder           Attacactus
18:22 * Jordach          sighs
18:23 Jordach            which game should i use: realtest, dvarves, pilz's game, jordan4ibanez's game?
18:27 * Jordach          strips flatland
18:28 khonkhortisan      flatland is good for large buildings, but not for roads, they wouldn't be interesting enough.
18:30 Jordach            khonkhortisan, /me likes building
18:33 khonkhortisan      what I'm working on: http://www.flickr.com/photos/79516830@N05/8057294321/in/photostream/lightbox/
18:36 Jordach            meh
18:39 Jordach            wow thats off
18:39 Jordach            very odd
18:39 Jordach            s/off/odd
18:40 Jordach            the latest git from sfan5 is faster than the ms c++ builds
18:40 sfan5              yay
18:40 Jordach            no really
18:40 Jordach            it is.
18:40 * Jordach          does not understand that
18:46 sfan5              what?
18:46 thexyz             because fuck logic, that's why
18:49 Jordach            sfan5, your builds are FAR faster than the c55 build
18:49 * Jordach          only updates software when needed
18:50 sfan5              post that as positive critic on the forum ;)
18:50 Jordach            my neck just made a cracking noise
18:50 sfan5              :o
18:52 * Jordach          downloads PilzAdam's game
18:57 Jordach            rubenwardy
18:58 rubenwardy         Jordach: i have replied to the topic
18:58 Jordach            do you have a texture pack?
18:58 Jordach            if not; disable the texture atals
18:58 Jordach            s/atals/atlas
18:58 rubenwardy         no, default
18:59 Jordach            hm
18:59 * Jordach          has no idea
18:59 * Jordach          knows how fucked up the minetest codebase is
19:01 Jordach            sfan5, your builds are nicce on the cpu
19:01 sfan5              :D \o/
19:01 Jordach            it sits at 50%
19:01 Jordach            never moving
19:01 leo_rockw          I'm at 100% constantly :S
19:02 leo_rockw          sometimes a bit over
19:02 * Jordach          lits some tnt
19:03 * leo_rockw        thinks that Jordach likes a lot speaking in the 3rd person.
19:03 Jordach            leo_rockw, more fun :)
19:03 Jordach            we need a home mod for minetest
19:04 Jordach            (preferrably built in)
19:05 leo_rockw          there's minetown (I think that's the name)
19:05 leo_rockw          you get NPC workers to build for you
19:10 leo_rockw          or do you mean to set your home coordinates?
19:10 leo_rockw          there's a mod for that too. And a bed mod with set spawn included.
19:11 Jordach            leo_rockw, doner
19:11 Jordach            done*
19:27 * VanessaE         peeks in for a sec
19:41 Jordach            sup VanessaE
19:41 VanessaE           hi
19:42 * Jordach          upgraded to latest git
19:42 VanessaE           not much, just eating a late lunch before I head off to run some errands
19:42 Jordach            TNT IS SLOW
19:42 VanessaE           of course - it's entirely in Lua.
19:43 Jordach            no $#!7 sherlock
19:43 VanessaE           stupid idea too.
19:43 VanessaE           that's a mod/function that just should not be done in Lua.
19:43 Jordach            yes
19:44 VanessaE           (no offense to whoever wrote it)
19:46 VanessaE           hi LAD/
19:46 LAD                hi
19:47 brandon            sfan u have builds do u have builds for linux?
19:48 VanessaE           brandon: If it's Ubuntu, use the nightly builds PPA.
19:49 brandon            VanessaE, how to do that XD
19:49 VanessaE           https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/daily-builds
19:49 * LAD              watchs his cpu usage slowly rise
19:49 LAD                oh it droped
19:49 LAD                and now back up
19:49 brandon            VanessaE, ok brb
19:49 VanessaE           Use synaptic to add "ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds"
19:50 VanessaE           ok, gotta run.  Someone take over helping brandon when he comes back :-)
19:51 VanessaE           he needs to use synaptic to install the game as "minetestc55"
19:51 VanessaE           bbl
19:52 LAD                ahhh
19:52 LAD                god
19:52 LAD                any 1 read the book SLAM
19:52 LAD                worst book ever
19:52 LAD                writen by NICK HORNBY
19:53 LAD                which looks like horny
19:53 Lumpio-            lol yah boox sux who reads wen u hav internet lol
19:53 Lumpio-            and facebok
19:53 LAD                lol
19:53 Lumpio-            (is not a readin book xD)
19:53 LAD                XD
19:53 LAD                well dont iamagin whats going on etther
19:53 LAD                man
19:53 LAD                XD
19:54 LAD                how old are these kids any ways
19:55 LAD                ahhhh
19:55 LAD                i keep geting accses probs
19:57 LAD                ahh
19:57 LAD                it stop loading
19:57 LAD                XD
19:58 LAD                ah ha
19:58 LAD                i found the prob
19:58 LAD                i had a google page open
19:58 LAD                my computer is so old it cant run both at the same time
19:58 LAD                XD
20:00 xcgurl08           hey is anyones there
20:01 FreeFull           No
20:02 LAD                XD
20:02 Jordach            FreeFull, you really like that sausage??
20:02 FreeFull           =P
20:03 xcgurl08           is it possible to make a banister in the game?
20:03 xcgurl08           like for stairs?
20:04 xcgurl08           the only thing I can find is a handrail mod..and that isn't really what I'm looking for
20:04 FreeFull           It would be possible
20:05 xcgurl08           how?
20:05 xcgurl08           I want it to be on the edge of a block, not in the middle like a fence
20:05 xcgurl08           so that you can place a torch in the middle of the block
20:05 xcgurl08           and then a banister on the edge
20:05 xcgurl08           does that make sense
20:05 xcgurl08           or maybe put the torch on the corner of the banister
20:06 FreeFull           You'd probably need to create a banister+torch node
20:06 xcgurl08           what
20:06 xcgurl08           can you explain simply
20:06 xcgurl08           lol
20:10 LAD                brb
20:13 T_A_N_K            I'm going to create something truly fancy
20:13 Jordach            SEX!!
20:14 Jordach            sarcasm mod offline
20:14 Jordach            [MODERROR] sex has missing dependancies: beds
20:15 T_A_N_K            jordach do you ever stop to think about your shnozzle?
20:16 Jordach            what did you say?!?!
20:16 * Jordach          actually has a girlfirend
20:17 T_A_N_K            wtf man, shnozzle is a dog
20:18 xcgurl08           why is it that yesterday when I asked for help about something non-minecraft someone told me this is the minecraft channel
20:18 * Jordach          expected a euphinism
20:18 xcgurl08           but you guys aren't talking about minecraft at all
20:18 xcgurl08           so why was I admonished when you guys are doing it now
20:18 Jordach            this is the "players" channel
20:19 xcgurl08           I mean minetest, not minecraft
20:19 Jordach            this is the off-topic bit
20:19 Jordach            if you like :)
20:19 xcgurl08           no I was talking on this channel
20:19 kumikumi           Alrighty, I came here to talk about minetest actually
20:19 kumikumi           first, has anybody managed to get this thing full-screen?
20:19 Jordach            use maximise
20:19 kumikumi           I am, that's why I asked about full-screen :|
20:20 xcgurl08           are you using a browser?
20:20 Jordach            IMHO, there is no full screen, but there are "fake" ways of achieving this
20:20 NakedFury          you want a full screen without the super thin borders?
20:20 NakedFury          that wont bring any gameplay changes to the game or widen your game view
20:21 NakedFury          at most like half a centimeter on each side and possible half an inch from top and bottom
20:21 kumikumi           and another thing, the view distance is very poor (the world is disappearing before my very eyes)
20:21 NakedFury          or even less
20:21 NakedFury          press R
20:21 kumikumi           Thanks!
20:21 Jordach            kumikumi, use these: + and - to change distance
20:21 kumikumi           that was quick
20:21 kumikumi           Jordach: wow, thanks
20:21 Jordach            ive been in minetest for over a year now
20:21 NakedFury          R will always load all areas
20:23 kumikumi           Jordach: I've tried this game many times before, but I've forgotten it all
20:23 xcgurl08           how come sometiems I see things in the game
20:23 xcgurl08           but then when I approach them, they are actually something quite different
20:24 Jordach            xcgurl08, thats the auto render distance changer, just leave it...its harmless
20:24 xcgurl08           but why does something look like a flapping dragon but instead when you get near it's a tower of cobblestones
20:25 kumikumi           xcgurl08: I haven't seen dragons yet, but I'll keep an eye for any
20:30 OldCoder           VanessaE, I've updated homedecor of course
20:31 OldCoder           khonkhortisan, I see you are keeping busy. Do you need fast?
20:33 kumikumi           any way to change the actual world generation distance?
20:34 Jordach            its limited by the constraint of C++
20:34 Jordach            which is 65535
20:34 Jordach            or 31122
20:34 Jordach            both ways
20:35 kumikumi           the bottom of the lake is missing..
20:36 kumikumi           I don't think it's even that many units away
20:38 thexyz             # From how far blocks are sent to clients (value * 16 nodes)
20:38 thexyz             #max_block_send_distance = 10
20:38 thexyz             # From how far blocks are generated for clients (value * 16 nodes)
20:38 thexyz             #max_block_generate_distance = 6
20:38 kumikumi           thexyz: cool
20:39 xcgurl08           is there a button fot craft all?
20:39 xcgurl08           for*
20:39 FreeFull           No
20:39 kumikumi           thexyz: where did you find that?
20:39 thexyz             kumikumi: edit your minetest.conf
20:40 thexyz             xcgurl08: use middle-click
20:40 kumikumi           thexyz: I am, but there was no "max_block_send_distance"
20:40 Jordach            kumikumi; minetest.conf
20:40 thexyz             there should be in minetest.conf.example
20:40 thexyz             if there isn't such string just add it
20:40 xcgurl08           thanks the
20:40 thexyz             (without leading #)
20:41 FreeFull           thexyz: Middleclick doesn't do that
20:41 FreeFull           Middleclick does exactly the same thing left click does
20:42 FreeFull           Oh, it does
20:42 kumikumi           thexyz: where should I look for the example config file? it's not in ~/.minetest
20:42 thexyz             FreeFull: it crafts 10 items
20:42 FreeFull           It does craft all the items
20:42 FreeFull           But doesn't work for tools
20:42 FreeFull           Only for stuff that stacks
20:42 thexyz             kumikumi: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example
20:42 kumikumi           thexyz: thanks
20:42 thexyz             FreeFull: how could that work with non-stackable things?
20:44 FreeFull           thexyz: Well, minecraft puts stuff straight into inventory/chest when you shift+click, rather than putting it at your mouse cursor
20:46 Jordach            ngith all
20:46 Jordach            night
20:53 T_A_N_K            i shit you not, i just created elevators
20:54 T_A_N_K            not even ghetto elevators, actually aesthetically pleasing ones
20:55 NakedFury          with pistons?
20:56 T_A_N_K            nope
20:56 T_A_N_K            I'll make a vid in a minute
21:26 Mikeonline         re
21:41 khonkhortisan      So I can tell direction using the sun
22:17 T_A_N_K            and done!
22:17 T_A_N_K            and yes you can khon, use the time
22:25 * VanessaE         is back
22:25 VanessaE           and I wanna see this elevator...assuming it's for minetest ;-)
22:26 VanessaE           you don't even need to get your time, just look straight up and watch the movement of the sun, you can guess at the time and figure your direction from there.
22:26 NakedFury          from what direction the sun comes up? in game
22:26 VanessaE           east
22:27 NakedFury          ok thanks
22:27 VanessaE           due east in fact.
22:27 VanessaE           (game doesn't attempt to shift the ecliptic)
22:30 NakedFury          would be extremely interesting if a more realistic sun movement was added.
22:30 NakedFury          maybe for minetest 3.0
22:31 Mikeonline         VanessaE is the biggest minetest fan :P
22:31 VanessaE           heh
22:31 OldCoder           Then build
22:32 NakedFury          really need to finish my c book
22:32 OldCoder           The Gameboom world seems to be destroyed
22:32 OldCoder           Need to replace it
22:34 NakedFury          also need to take some time and make textures for all mods OldCoder server nexus
22:34 NakedFury          that sounds cool
22:34 NakedFury          server nexus
22:34 OldCoder           That is the new official name then
22:36 OldCoder           NakedFury, do you use Twitter?
22:36 NakedFury          yeah I have it to follow some game stuff
22:36 OldCoder           NakedFury, I'll credit the new name to you; what's your handle?
22:37 NakedFury          did you make a twitter for the servers stuff?
22:37 OldCoder           Yes
22:37 OldCoder           Actually I'm just tweeting MT now on my regular Twitter.
22:38 NakedFury          well since nakedfury was taken I used nakedrage
22:39 OldCoder           All right; noted
22:39 NakedFury          im not a tweet maker, more of a reader
22:39 OldCoder           Fair nuff
22:39 OldCoder           I am doing both now
22:53 OldCoder           Servers going down to update Technic
22:53 OldCoder           Does anybody else have mods 'n' stuff to update?
22:53 OldCoder           khonkhortisan, note ^
22:55 khonkhortisan      my brother got me playing another game
22:55 OldCoder           RealBadAngel, all the files appear to be from October 2
22:55 OldCoder           Is that correct?
22:55 OldCoder           k
22:55 NekoGloop          Meow.
22:55 * OldCoder         puts down a kitty treat
22:55 NekoGloop          i just put some junglegrass in a furnace AS the server went down XD
22:55 OldCoder           Servers restarted
22:55 RealBadAngel       OldCoder, should be ok
22:55 leo_rockw          khonkhortisan: Ö you're cheating on us! D:
22:56 * NekoGloop        noms the treat ^w^
22:56 OldCoder           RealBadAngel, check it out
22:56 RealBadAngel       loggin in
22:56 khonkhortisan      realmofthemadgod it's low-res and 2D, and I think worse than minetest
22:56 NekoGloop          khonkhortisan: i used to play that.
22:56 NakedFury          search minetest in twitter shows 6 japanese, chinese, or korean or whoever else uses sticks for language accounts
22:57 OldCoder           Oh?
22:57 OldCoder           Popular in Asia?
22:58 OldCoder           Ah, NekoGloop I see you found more junglegrass
22:58 OldCoder           22:58:06: ACTION[ServerThread]: Player RealBadAngel moved too fast; resetting position
22:58 NekoGloop          its everywhere lol
22:58 RealBadAngel       lol
22:58 OldCoder           Does anybody know much about this moved too fast issue?
22:58 RealBadAngel       i just teleported
22:58 OldCoder           Ah
22:58 VanessaE           OldCoder: that's fucking IRRITATING is what I know about it.
22:58 NekoGloop          other than how to turn it off, no.
22:58 VanessaE           I HATE that "feature".
22:58 RealBadAngel       using inventory+
22:58 OldCoder           Hmm
22:59 NekoGloop          disable_anticheat = true in minetest.conf
22:59 VanessaE           happens on any server that lags from time to timew
22:59 VanessaE           the anti-cheat feature mistakes lag for cheating
22:59 NekoGloop          this means anyone who goes too fast ISNT teleported.
22:59 OldCoder           NekoGloop, should I add that?
22:59 NekoGloop          sure.
22:59 OldCoder           O.K.
22:59 VanessaE           NekoGloop: what else does it affect?
22:59 NekoGloop          um...
22:59 NekoGloop          not sure.
22:59 NekoGloop          :3
22:59 VanessaE           heh
22:59 OldCoder           Anybody else know?
22:59 OldCoder           I hesitate to break things
23:00 OldCoder           Grepping the code now
23:00 NekoGloop          gimme a sec
23:00 OldCoder           k
23:02 NekoGloop          it also should stop redigging
23:02 OldCoder           Is this positive?
23:02 OldCoder           Sounds like it
23:02 OldCoder           Any drawbacks to the change?
23:02 RealBadAngel       dammit i need rubber tree
23:02 NekoGloop          but as far as cheating goes, i dont think it prevents much cheating.
23:03 OldCoder           disable_anticheat = true
23:03 OldCoder           is recommended, then
23:03 OldCoder           proceeding
23:03 NekoGloop          other than speedhax, which it seems to think we're all doing.
23:03 NekoGloop          because minetest's cheat detection sucks.
23:04 NakedFury          could it be possible to have ores generation in this manner: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1107057-132v1-custom-ore-generation-updated-sep-27th/   click the spoiler Show button under Default Veins Distributions
23:05 OldCoder           Change made and will be picked up on the next restart
23:05 leo_rockw          I didn't know about this disable_anticheat
23:05 leo_rockw          that's awesome!
23:05 VanessaE           possible sure, but you'd have to write your own ore generation routine in Lua
23:05 VanessaE           perlin noise would get you close though
23:06 VanessaE           but that's a fuckload of coal
23:06 NakedFury          I think he exagerated in order to show the veins
23:06 NakedFury          otherwise yes its fuckload of coal
23:07 NekoGloop          could the next restart be sooner?
23:07 NekoGloop          like, now?
23:07 leo_rockw          This mod is the intellectual property of the author.  Anyone may reproduce or redistribute it freely or alter or borrow from it for other works, provided that they provide visible written credit to the author.  No permission is required so long as credit is given.  The source code for this mod is freely available on request.
23:07 leo_rockw          so you can see how it works and recode it
23:08 NakedFury          I will
23:08 NakedFury          see if a java to lua is easy to do
23:09 FreeFull           You'd pretty much have to rewrite everything yourself
23:09 FreeFull           Especially since minecraft and minetest have completely different APIs
23:10 NekoGloop          minecraft has no api
23:10 NekoGloop          you need to install a mod for that.
23:11 NekoGloop          OldCoder: could the next restart be now?
23:12 OldCoder           Yes
23:12 OldCoder           Do you wish any more updates or mods?
23:12 OldCoder           Easy to add
23:12 OldCoder           Restarting servers
23:13 OldCoder           Restarted
23:13 NekoGloop          nah, just anticheat to go poof
23:13 OldCoder           It's gone
23:14 OldCoder           Check it
23:14 leo_rockw          yay!
23:14 * leo_rockw        cheats!
23:14 NekoGloop          you hacker you
23:14 OldCoder           can't beat the heat by cheat it's neat!
23:15 leo_rockw          NekoGloop: I once got an air node that said that. But I wasn't cheating.
23:15 RealBadAngel       oldcoder, one request, can you log in as admin and give me 1 rubber tree sapling?
23:15 OldCoder           Yes
23:15 OldCoder           World 30000 ?
23:15 RealBadAngel       i need it for testing
23:15 RealBadAngel       yes
23:15 OldCoder           One moment
23:15 leo_rockw          well, I actually had the speed hack, but that wouldn't have anything to do with air, I think.
23:15 OldCoder           RealBadAngel, what's the command?
23:16 RealBadAngel       shit, im not sure lol
23:16 RealBadAngel       youre the admin :)
23:16 OldCoder           Well, yes
23:16 OldCoder           But I'm still learning
23:16 VanessaE           hi RBA, didn't see you here :-)
23:16 OldCoder           It's a give I assume
23:16 OldCoder           VanessaE, How do I give him a rubber tree sapling?
23:16 RealBadAngel       i think /give player something
23:16 NekoGloop          /give RealBadAngel farming:rubber_tree_capling
23:17 NekoGloop          sapling*
23:17 VanessaE           no clue, I don't even kn---
23:17 VanessaE           right
23:17 NekoGloop          also...
23:17 OldCoder           capling or sapling?
23:17 NekoGloop          inb4 massive shitstorm from RBA about gloopores being on the server.
23:17 NekoGloop          sapling, oldcoder.
23:17 leo_rockw          what do gloopores do?
23:17 leo_rockw          are they like moreores?
23:17 OldCoder           Says unknown item
23:18 RealBadAngel       lemme check the name
23:19 RealBadAngel       farming:rubber_sapling
23:19 OldCoder           k
23:19 RealBadAngel       reconnectin
23:19 OldCoder           Nope
23:20 RealBadAngel       ?
23:20 OldCoder           Unknown item
23:20 OldCoder           I checked the spelling, too
23:20 RealBadAngel       he changed it? just checked it offline
23:20 RealBadAngel       hold on
23:20 OldCoder           Looking...
23:20 NekoGloop          rubber sapling must no longer exist
23:21 OldCoder           Grepping the code
23:21 NekoGloop          how in hell do i get a bow?
23:21 OldCoder           I tried to give you one
23:21 OldCoder           Said unknown item again
23:21 RealBadAngel       http://pastebin.com/nc7yuMZb
23:21 OldCoder           Need spelling
23:21 OldCoder           Reviewing
23:22 RealBadAngel       its my copy of rubber.lua from farming mod
23:22 OldCoder           Wait
23:22 OldCoder           He's deleted it
23:22 OldCoder           There's no rubber.lua in my copy
23:22 OldCoder           Redownloading to be sure
23:23 RealBadAngel       k
23:23 OldCoder           He's updated
23:23 OldCoder           Hold on
23:23 RealBadAngel       if he did i will cut it and feed technic with it
23:23 OldCoder           still no rubber
23:23 RealBadAngel       its essential for me
23:24 OldCoder           Then move it into Technic
23:24 OldCoder           Here:
23:24 OldCoder           https://github.com/PilzAdam/farming/zipball/master
23:24 OldCoder           I'm working from that and there is no rubber.lua
23:24 OldCoder           So I guess you inherit it
23:24 RealBadAngel       eatin in progress
23:24 NekoGloop          also, how does one make a bow?
23:25 OldCoder           There's instructions on the mod page for that IIRC
23:25 NekoGloop          but its not working
23:25 OldCoder           Which mod is that?
23:25 OldCoder           throwing
23:25 OldCoder           Right?
23:25 NekoGloop          yes
23:25 OldCoder           jeija stops by here
23:25 OldCoder           Should verify the bows still work
23:25 OldCoder           I'll update momentarily
23:25 OldCoder           Make sure it's current
23:26 NekoGloop          you shouldnt have jeija's throwing mod
23:26 OldCoder           Go on
23:26 OldCoder           Explain
23:26 NekoGloop          you should have pilzadam's throwing mod
23:26 OldCoder           Hold on then
23:26 OldCoder           Link for PilzAdams version please
23:26 NekoGloop          would take me just as long
23:26 OldCoder           ?
23:26 OldCoder           I am occupied with updating 3 parts of this
23:27 VanessaE           http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=45910#p45910
23:27 OldCoder           ty
23:27 NekoGloop          thank you
23:27 VanessaE           well scroll to the top of that thread.
23:27 OldCoder           Working on things for a few minutes
23:27 OldCoder           <--- Likes to be sure
23:28 OldCoder
23:28 OldCoder           Just drop Jeija's and replace with P.A.'s ?
23:28 OldCoder           will this break anything?
23:29 NekoGloop          nope.
23:29 OldCoder           Ah
23:29 OldCoder           He improved the old one
23:29 NekoGloop          yup.
23:29 NekoGloop          honestly I'm surprised 0.4.3 even runs that old one.
23:31 OldCoder           NekoGloop, Somebody told me not to include throwing in Skyblock. Comments?
23:31 OldCoder           Default set or Skyblock too?
23:31 RealBadAngel       i think ive eaten the rubber tree
23:31 NekoGloop          getting sniped from afar because there's nothing in between two players: not fun
23:31 NekoGloop          so no.
23:31 VanessaE           skyblock ain't supposed to be PvP, so I don't see a reason for adding it honestly
23:31 RealBadAngel       uploading
23:31 NekoGloop          not in skyblock.
23:32 OldCoder           RealBadAngel, O.K.
23:32 RealBadAngel       lemme just check it offline
23:32 OldCoder           k
23:33 NekoGloop          be sure to make the treetap check for the technic:rubber_tree not the farming:rubber_tree
23:34 RealBadAngel       good point
23:34 OldCoder           Indicate when ready
23:35 NekoGloop          also i think the screwdriver checks for it due to an issue with it acting as a bucket unintentionally.
23:35 OldCoder           While we're at it, my copy of Mesecons is September 10. Have there been significant fixes since then?
23:36 NekoGloop          pistons had a bugfix
23:36 NekoGloop          so yeah
23:36 OldCoder           Coming up then
23:37 RealBadAngel       done the changes, checked
23:37 RealBadAngel       uploading
23:37 NekoGloop          oh wow, i found oldcoder
23:37 OldCoder           ?
23:37 RealBadAngel       synced
23:37 OldCoder           k
23:37 OldCoder           Checking things
23:37 NekoGloop          on the server XD
23:37 OldCoder           I do hang out
23:37 NekoGloop          look at the server for a couple secs
23:38 RealBadAngel       yummy, i just eaten the tree ;)
23:38 OldCoder           Yes
23:38 OldCoder           But updating shortly first
23:39 OldCoder           Moment
23:39 RealBadAngel       NekoGloop, ive removed bucket collection code
23:39 RealBadAngel       so just your treetap is able to do anythin with it
23:40 OldCoder           Updated mods so far today: farming, homedecor, mesecons, technic. Replaced Jeija's version of throwing with PilzAdams's version. Disabled anticheat to bypass possible bugs.
23:40 OldCoder           Servers going down to install changes
23:41 RealBadAngel       OldCoder, so the item name is now technic:rubber_sapling
23:41 OldCoder           Servers up
23:41 OldCoder           Giving you one
23:41 RealBadAngel       wait, need to log in :)
23:41 OldCoder           Indicate if I missed any of the changes listed above
23:42 NekoGloop          please put the server up ^^
23:42 OldCoder           It is
23:42 OldCoder           When it cycles
23:42 OldCoder           You must exit client and restart
23:42 NekoGloop          i did
23:42 OldCoder           Then checking logs
23:43 RealBadAngel       hmmm, cant log in
23:43 OldCoder           Which port?
23:43 RealBadAngel           0
23:43 OldCoder           Seems fine in logs
23:43 NekoGloop          30000
23:43 OldCoder           I probably forgot to press start
23:43 OldCoder           Hold on
23:43 RealBadAngel       lol
23:43 OldCoder           Hmm
23:43 OldCoder           No; looks like I did
23:43 NekoGloop          you probably forgot to turn it on.
23:43 OldCoder           One of the mods broke something
23:43 OldCoder           Nope
23:43 OldCoder           Working on this
23:44 RealBadAngel       seein all the time "connectin to the server"
23:44 OldCoder           Working
23:44 RealBadAngel       and no response
23:45 OldCoder           23:44:14: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ModError: mod "throwing" has unsatisfied dependencies: "fire".
23:45 OldCoder           Simple
23:45 OldCoder           Give me a minute
23:45 OldCoder           It was the P.A. mod
23:45 RealBadAngel       k
23:45 OldCoder           His throwing doesn't actually need fire, does it?
23:46 RealBadAngel       lol, i just took a look at technic textures directory
23:46 RealBadAngel       it holds already 154 textures
23:46 OldCoder           Wait
23:46 OldCoder           I need to patch throwing
23:46 OldCoder           If I just delete fire_arrow.lua
23:46 RealBadAngel       when the fuck i did that all?
23:46 RealBadAngel       :)
23:46 OldCoder           Will it work?
23:46 NekoGloop          has fire arrows
23:46 NekoGloop          yes
23:46 OldCoder           So just delete the file and edit depends.txt
23:46 NekoGloop          and remove fire from depends
23:46 RealBadAngel       not really
23:47 RealBadAngel       edit init luad
23:47 OldCoder           Plus init.lua
23:47 RealBadAngel       lua
23:47 RealBadAngel       to not to load that specific file
23:47 OldCoder           Yes
23:47 OldCoder           And there's a line
23:47 OldCoder           near the start
23:47 RealBadAngel       dofile
23:47 OldCoder           patching all this
23:47 OldCoder           Hold on
23:48 NekoGloop          next step: do a little victory dance
23:48 RealBadAngel       and bring some beer
23:48 OldCoder           Rebuilding worlds
23:48 NekoGloop          ignore the alchoholic.
23:48 OldCoder           Servers going down
23:49 RealBadAngel       lol
23:49 NekoGloop          servers were never up
23:49 * OldCoder         shrugs
23:49 NekoGloop          unless skyblock went up
23:49 OldCoder           This is why I like to proceed cautiously
23:49 OldCoder           But these are getting  into shape
23:50 OldCoder           Try the servers now please
23:50 NekoGloop          do we have the snow mod?
23:50 RealBadAngel       connecting
23:50 OldCoder           NekoGloop, checking
23:50 OldCoder           NekoGloop, yes
23:51 NekoGloop          oh cool.
23:51 NekoGloop          or cold, however you look at it. :D
23:51 RealBadAngel       im in the matrix
23:51 RealBadAngel       ;)
23:51 RealBadAngel       can see some texture error
23:52 OldCoder           16:48:45: ERROR[main]: generate_image(): Could not load image "farming_rubber_tree_full.png" while building texture
23:52 RealBadAngel       hold on
23:52 OldCoder           Finall!
23:52 OldCoder           RealBadAngel, you have your sapling
23:52 OldCoder           y*
23:52 OldCoder           NekoGloop, try the bow now
23:54 RealBadAngel       fixed the problem
23:54 OldCoder           good
23:54 RealBadAngel       synced now
23:54 OldCoder           16:48:45: ERROR[main]: generate_image(): Could not load image "farming_rubber_tree_full.png" while building tex
23:54 OldCoder           Is that important?
23:55 RealBadAngel       missed the texture renaming
23:55 OldCoder           Another minor patch?
23:55 OldCoder           No problem
23:55 RealBadAngel       now its fixed, update the mod
23:55 OldCoder           k
23:55 RealBadAngel       and problem will be gone
23:56 OldCoder           Servers cycling again
23:56 OldCoder           NekoGloop, excuse this
23:56 RealBadAngel       got the saplin, waitin for reboot
23:57 OldCoder           Restarted with updated technic
23:58 RealBadAngel       connectin
23:58 OldCoder           LAD, wb
23:59 OldCoder           NekoGloop, Will your home be in the logs?
23:59 OldCoder           I can try to find it for yuo
23:59 OldCoder           *you
23:59 LAD                hi'
23:59 NekoGloop          look for me placing a lot of wood/tree nodes
23:59 NekoGloop          tell me the coordinates please XD
23:59 OldCoder           Yep
23:59 OldCoder           NekoGloop uses farming:hoe_wood, pointing at [node under=156,9,-1 above=156,10,-1]
23:59 OldCoder           Does that help?
23:59 NekoGloop          yes.