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Time Nick Message
00:01 FreeFull Yesterday I ate sandwiches, a jacket potato, a pomegranate, banana and pizza
00:01 VanessaE neko, you do realize it's going to take a *shitload* of nodeboxes to make an enchanting table look right, yes?
00:02 NekoGloop vanessae: you do realize i'm not working on the *shitload* of code an enchanting table needs, yes?
00:02 FreeFull Because minetest doesn't allow rotating nodeboxes
00:03 NekoGloop who gives a fuck if it rotates
00:03 VanessaE well if you're not working on it, who will? :-)
00:03 NekoGloop someone
00:03 NekoGloop someone other than me
00:04 FreeFull If you want a rotated cuboid, you need a fuckton of nodeboxes to make it look right
00:04 NekoGloop freefull: re: who gives a fuck if it rotates
00:04 VanessaE NekoGloop: I think he means the flipping-pages effect
00:05 FreeFull And the book covers
00:05 NekoGloop no the actual book turns at you
00:05 VanessaE (not to mention the book co--- yeah
00:05 VanessaE well rotating the whole book is easy - render it into an entity the way Animals does, and then set the pitch/yaw/etc as needed
00:06 VanessaE even the flowing glyphs effect would be easy (more entities)
00:06 NekoGloop checking the amount of bookcases: shit hard
00:07 VanessaE not at all
00:07 VanessaE very easily done
00:07 FreeFull Shouldn't be too hard to count the number of bookcases in a certain radius
00:07 VanessaE there's a function to find nearby nodes of a given name
00:07 NekoGloop but to make sure they are 1 block away? (not adjacent)
00:07 VanessaE - find_nodes_in_area(minp, maxp, nodenames) -> list of positions
00:07 VanessaE iterate through the returned list to get a count
00:08 VanessaE I asume minp/maxp are the inside and outside radii of the search region
00:08 NekoGloop trying to process your command returned a nil value, function may not exist
00:08 VanessaE (the APi doesn't say)
00:08 NekoGloop (i.e. idk what you just said)
00:08 VanessaE who gives a shit if it exists, always require the latest version ;-)
00:09 NekoGloop heh
00:09 VanessaE wait, no, minp/maxp are probably {x,y,z} positions defining the search cube.
00:09 VanessaE that makes it even easier.
00:10 NekoGloop ERROR[main]: NekoGloop.exe is unable to process the function: "give_a_shit". Program must shut down.
00:10 VanessaE This program has performed an illegal operation and must be shut down.
00:10 VanessaE :)
00:10 FreeFull Division by don't give a fuck
00:11 NekoGloop ERROR[main]: NekoGloop.exe is attempting division by zero. You may experience lag.
00:11 FreeFull 0/0 gives you an error
00:11 FreeFull But 0.0/0.0 will give you +Inf
00:12 FreeFull Actually, no, NaN
00:12 FreeFull 1.0/0.0 will give you +Inf
00:12 NekoGloop DEBUG[sub]: NekoGloop.exe has encountered difficulties processing constant "+Inf"
00:13 NekoGloop DEBUG[main]: NekoGloop.exe is attempting to open program "black_magic_of_lua.exe". Allow?
00:13 FreeFull Yes
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00:14 NekoGloop FATALERROR[main]: NekoGloop.exe is unable to find program "black_magic_of_lua.exe", but process has highest priority.
00:15 NekoGloop DEBUG[main]: ErrorTrace: folder "C:\Program Files\lua_powahs\" does not exist
00:17 NekoGloop DEBUG[main]: NekoGloop.exe does not have folder permissions to folder "C:\Program Files\", yet NekoGloop.exe is attempting to access folder "C:\Program Files\". Allow?
00:18 NekoGloop ok well that killed the chat
00:18 Octupus joined #minetest
00:19 Octupus hello
00:19 FreeFull Hi
00:19 Keegann Octupus join #minetest-m13
00:26 NekoGloop i'm really bored lol
00:27 NekoGloop i have no idea what i just made: http://ompldr.org/vZmVudw
00:28 LandMine joined #minetest
00:29 Keegann hey landmne
00:29 Keegann LandMiine join #minetest-m13
00:29 Octupus hola miseal
00:30 NekoGloop VanessaE: any idea what to call this: http://ompldr.org/vZmVudw ? lol
00:30 LandMine hi
00:30 VanessaE no clue, except it looks like the hilt for some fancy sword
00:30 LandMine im griefing his server at the moment Keegann lol
00:30 MiJyn NekoGloop: SWORD!
00:31 Keegann NO
00:31 Keegann wait whos
00:31 Octupus lm who u griefing?
00:31 LandMine m13
00:31 NekoGloop m13, duh
00:31 Keegann dont
00:31 Octupus y
00:31 LandMine his 30001 server
00:31 NekoGloop i even got that
00:31 Keegann dont
00:31 LandMine i already did lol
00:31 Keegann dont
00:31 Octupus your phoniex
00:31 LandMine burned down a giant house
00:31 LandMine and lava;d spawn
00:31 Keegann dont
00:31 Keegann stop'
00:32 Keegann plz stop
00:32 NekoGloop landmine: did you at least take a suvenier?
00:32 LandMine ohh yeah
00:32 Keegann serio
00:32 LandMine i got stuff hidden everywhere lol
00:32 Octupus he shitting with u keegan lol
00:32 LandMine im not actually
00:32 Octupus there aint no lava
00:32 LandMine come check it out
00:32 LandMine ohh its his 30000
00:33 Octupus oh
00:33 LandMine m13.sytes.net:30000
00:33 Keegann landmine sto[
00:33 Keegann you login as my name
00:33 Octupus stop griefing landmine
00:33 LandMine i didnt login with your name
00:33 LandMine im landmine lol
00:34 Keegann LandMine STOP NOW
00:34 MiJyn or else... kick or...
00:35 LandMine hmm why should i stop keegann?
00:35 Octupus i found your chest landmine
00:36 LandMine lol yeah
00:36 Keegann mother fucker i thought you change
00:36 LandMine i got a couple more
00:36 LandMine lol
00:36 LandMine got out quick
00:36 LandMine hahah
00:38 Octupus landmine u didnt change i cant believe i believed u
00:39 LandMine i did change man
00:39 Octupus so y u still griefing
00:40 Keegann stfu
00:40 NekoGloop because he got more crafty
00:40 NekoGloop tricking you into beliving him was part of the plan
00:40 LandMine lol
00:40 NekoGloop it's so obvious, I'm surprised you all didnt see it.
00:41 Octupus IL GO APE SHIT ON YOUR ASS
00:41 LandMine wow octupus me and you are cool brha
00:42 Octupus FUCK U
00:42 VanessaE ok that's enough.
00:42 VanessaE all three of you.
00:42 Keegann LandMine hope you get hit by a fucking bus
00:42 LandMine lol
00:42 NekoGloop which three lol
00:42 LandMine lol
00:42 LandMine you 3
00:43 LandMine was kicked by VanessaE: LandMine
00:43 NekoGloop ... well that was... interesting...
00:44 Octupus ok vanessa srry
00:44 VanessaE problem solved.
00:44 Octupus i didnt mean to go ape **** on his *** but he griefed a very good friend
00:44 Keegann screw him
00:45 NekoGloop dont you see...? It's all part of his plan.
00:45 NekoGloop Am I the only one here who could see landmine's plan?
00:45 NekoGloop If so, no wonder I'm good at chess.
00:46 VanessaE I figured he was going in that direction
00:46 Keegann shut up
00:46 Octupus he lucky i was pissed :)
00:46 VanessaE keegan, please don't continue
00:47 Keegann ok
00:47 Keegann >:(
00:48 * NekoGloop gives keegann a glass of mtn dew and tells him to calm down
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00:52 VanessaE Mt. Dew and you expect him, a 12 year old mind you, to calm down?
00:52 VanessaE with all that caffeine!?
00:52 Keegann why not root beer
00:52 NekoGloop i calm down with mtn dew...
00:52 OldCoder Better than real beer
00:52 VanessaE (nevermind the sugar content)
00:53 VanessaE beer?  ick.
00:53 VanessaE evening OC.
00:53 OldCoder I stopped a few months ago
00:53 OldCoder Hi
00:54 NekoGloop I'm supposedly working on an enchanting table
00:54 OldCoder Geez that is a... lively exchange above
00:54 NekoGloop yes it is
00:54 VanessaE NekoGloop: yep, you raised the idea, so now it's all up to you to do it ;)
00:54 Octupus i dont drink sodas
00:54 NekoGloop lol
00:54 NekoGloop its all up to me
00:54 OldCoder Iced Teas are good
00:54 Octupus yep
00:54 Keegann hope LandMne gets hit by a bus
00:54 NekoGloop and its gonna get done in -666 years
00:54 Octupus LIM
00:54 Octupus LIME
00:55 * VanessaE offers up some hot vegetable+chicken broth
00:55 * NekoGloop declines vanessae's offer
00:55 Octupus ohhh so vanessa u been in the hunger games now hmmmmm
00:55 VanessaE no
00:55 VanessaE I don't care for that.
00:55 Octupus lol
00:55 Octupus I HOPE PEETA DIES
00:55 NekoGloop i wonder if there will be another minetest hunger games
00:55 NekoGloop I missed the first one
00:55 Octupus and gale and katniss get married :)
00:56 Octupus the quell is dumb
00:57 VanessaE its a concept that, honestly, I find disgusting.  kids fighting each other to the death?  no.  just, no.
00:57 Keegann its cool
00:57 Octupus but katniss won so i guess shes a boss
00:58 Octupus peeta was like a dieing cow
01:00 VanessaE meh.  I still don't see the appeal.
01:00 NekoGloop i just realized the hunger games server is open
01:00 VanessaE evening chaplain/thomas.
01:01 chaplain evening VanessaE :)
01:01 chaplain hope you're lovely
01:01 Octupus if i be in hunger games me and vanessa going be from discrict 12
01:01 Octupus XD
01:01 chaplain doing lovely even
01:01 VanessaE chaplain: as soon as I get my fur smoothed back down
01:01 VanessaE :)
01:02 * chaplain pats VanessaE's fur back down
01:02 Keegann wth
01:02 VanessaE haha
01:02 Octupus vaneesa u wanna come to the reaping with me ?
01:02 VanessaE uh, no.
01:03 Octupus discrict 12
01:03 NekoGloop who wants to play hunger games on infinity's server?
01:03 Octupus i let u kill me first :)
01:03 VanessaE pass.
01:03 OldCoder How sweet
01:03 OldCoder You get to kill first :-)
01:03 Keegann if landmine was my partner  would kill him before the games start
01:03 * OldCoder laughs
01:04 NekoGloop anyone?
01:04 Octupus lol
01:04 Keegann then let him get hit by a bus
01:04 NekoGloop c'mon we dont need that many people
01:04 Octupus i wud blow the place up like how catnip did  XD
01:04 NekoGloop although... i do appear to be stuck.
01:04 NekoGloop wait hold on
01:05 NekoGloop forgot about shift high jump
01:05 Octupus rue was the best fighter in the hunger games
01:05 NekoGloop (its a 0.4.2-rc1 server)
01:06 NekoGloop who wants to do hunger games... minetest.ru:55555
01:06 Keegann no one
01:06 Octupus build in discrict7 please
01:06 Octupus i wan to kill the captitol
01:07 NekoGloop aaaanyone?
01:07 NekoGloop there's gotta be someone :
01:07 NekoGloop :l*
01:07 VanessaE no.
01:07 VanessaE :)
01:07 NekoGloop why not?
01:08 VanessaE because I don't like PvP?
01:08 VanessaE if I want that I can just go frag a bunch of bots in OpenArena.
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01:19 VanessaE NakedFury: *looks at -delta* ...  sit still dammit :)
01:19 NekoGloop lol
01:24 NekoGloop would it be -that- hard to make a sword be damaged when hitting a player/mob?
01:25 VanessaE I'd think that would be prettyeasy?
01:25 NekoGloop then why isnt it in?
01:25 VanessaE dunno
01:25 NekoGloop its just wierd, using a wooden sword to kill 1k+ players
01:25 Feorth Hey guys, what's the command to give privileges to someone?
01:26 VanessaE I mean, you can tell when an entity has been hit (I assume a player too). can't a function be executed to reduce the health of the weapon?
01:26 VanessaE Feorth: /grant <playername> priv,priv,...
01:26 VanessaE (for however many privs you want to list)
01:26 VanessaE so /grant singleplayer fly,fast
01:26 Feorth Thanks Vanessa ;)
01:26 VanessaE or /grant Feorth all
01:27 VanessaE be careful when granting privileges.
01:27 VanessaE always consider the potential harm such can do
01:27 Feorth I see, thanks a lot.
01:27 VanessaE yw
01:28 NekoGloop dont give ban to someone with a nonpassword-ed account
01:28 NekoGloop :D
01:32 VanessaE ah, RBA should be along any minute now
01:32 NekoGloop heh
01:32 VanessaE (he always seems to join for real right after a timeout ;) )
01:32 NekoGloop generally, yes, i've noticed that as well
01:32 NekoGloop maybe the timeout alerts him, and that makes him pay attention.
01:33 VanessaE I always assumed it was a restart of his computer or client or so
01:33 Keegann hello
01:33 VanessaE hikeegan
01:33 * Keegann is so mad
01:33 VanessaE don't be mad
01:34 VanessaE drink a red bull, go kill some bots or something, blow off some steam
01:36 Keegann omg
01:36 VanessaE ?
01:37 Keegann hate him so much
01:37 VanessaE everyone does.
01:37 Keegann hes still talking to me
01:37 VanessaE /ignore
01:37 NekoGloop /ignore LandMine
01:37 Keegann t still doesnt help
01:37 Keegann he just reconnects
01:38 VanessaE Keegann: ignore by IP address then.  he can change nick all he wants, but he can't force your client to listen to an IP it wants to ignore
01:38 VanessaE /ignore *!*@whatever.his.host.is.now
01:38 Keegann i did that once
01:38 VanessaE and keep doing it until he runs out of IP addresses
01:38 NekoGloop then rejoin yourself under a different nick
01:39 VanessaE if he has access to a hundred IPs/hosts as he claims, you block all 100 of them as he switches around
01:40 VanessaE sooner or later, he runs out of choices.
01:40 VanessaE the probability of you blocking someone you actually want to talk to is fairly slim
01:40 Keegann doubt that
01:40 VanessaE trust me on this.
01:41 * VanessaE <-- used to be an ISP admin plus 17 years of IRC experience.
01:41 NekoGloop or he just gets annoyed as fuck and goes away
01:41 NekoGloop :)
01:41 VanessaE exactly
01:41 VanessaE either he gets bored or he runs out of options
01:44 NekoGloop i have an idea for what to call the previously linked thing
01:44 NekoGloop "Diaminian Sword" :D
01:45 VanessaE What, no Diamondium or Diamondillium? ;-)
01:45 NekoGloop its obsidian sword with diamond extension
01:45 NekoGloop :P
01:46 NekoGloop uses technic diamonds
01:46 VanessaE cool
01:46 NekoGloop all dependencies will be optional for this mod, as they are only in recipes
01:47 Octupus joined #minetest
01:47 FreeFull joined #minetest
01:48 NekoGloop "[21:48] == FreeFull [~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover] has joined #minetest" I think he likes sausages ;)
01:49 NekoGloop anyone care to tell me how to set the inventory craftgrid to work as a smaller ver.?
01:50 VanessaE dunno, ask thexyz ;)
01:50 NekoGloop I'm assumming lua_api.txt is vague as hell, if its in at all
01:50 NekoGloop OH I SEE
01:50 VanessaE that makes one of us :D
01:50 NekoGloop set_width(listname, width)
01:51 NekoGloop now to figure out wth to plug in to the function ;)
01:51 NekoGloop how do i call the inventory of a player?
01:52 NekoGloop player:inv: ?
01:52 VanessaE dunno, never tried
01:52 _2cool4me4_ joined #minetest
01:52 VanessaE evening 2cool
01:52 _2cool4me4_ hola!
01:52 _2cool4me4_ sorry, no upside down exclamation point
01:52 VanessaE ¡hola!
01:53 * _2cool4me4_ wonders what kind of keyboard vanessaE has
01:53 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jJZA-O_B78 FLANDRE SCARLET RANDOMNESS!! :D
01:53 Keegann hello
01:53 VanessaE a regular 105 like everyone else has.  I just programmed it to allow for the compose keystroke per khonkhortisan's idea :-)
01:53 _2cool4me4_ cool
01:54 _2cool4me4_ Windows has character map for that
01:54 _2cool4me4_ :(
01:54 VanessaE in windows, ALT+keypad
01:54 NekoGloop µ
01:54 NekoGloop HOLY SHIT
01:54 VanessaE three or four digits gets you a character
01:54 VanessaE µ
01:54 NekoGloop I HAVE NO IDEA HOW I TYPED THAT
01:54 VanessaE <compuse> m u
01:54 VanessaE compose*
01:54 NekoGloop æ
01:54 NekoGloop cool
01:55 VanessaE <compose> ! !  -->  Â¡
01:55 NekoGloop Ü this is 666
01:55 _2cool4me4_ whoah, that's cool
01:55 VanessaE <compose> a e  -->  Ã¦
01:55 VanessaE etc et
01:55 _2cool4me4_ what's the microcontroller icon?
01:55 NekoGloop alt+unicode #
01:55 NekoGloop look it up on charamap
01:55 NekoGloop (i'm too lazy)
01:56 _2cool4me4_ I have alt gr on this keyboard, but it doesn't work
01:56 _2cool4me4_ it acts like a normal alt key
01:56 VanessaE mu is probably Alt-181
01:56 _2cool4me4_ ¦
01:56 NekoGloop â•¡
01:57 VanessaE try 230
01:57 NekoGloop nope
01:57 _2cool4me4_ nope
01:57 NekoGloop µ
01:57 NekoGloop 230
01:57 _2cool4me4_ µ
01:57 VanessaE you're using DOS Legacy mode then :-)
01:57 NekoGloop minetest doesnt like 2x2 grids :P
01:57 _2cool4me4_ µµµ
01:57 _2cool4me4_ that's a lot of work
01:57 NekoGloop µ230 µ1254
01:58 NekoGloop its both?
01:58 _2cool4me4_ µ
01:58 _2cool4me4_ I only get one
01:58 NekoGloop do both numbers
01:58 Keegann how do you delete a channel?
01:58 _2cool4me4_ leave it
01:58 NekoGloop keegann: you dont
01:59 _2cool4me4_ F
01:59 VanessaE tøø máñý şýmbø£ś
01:59 _2cool4me4_ that's 2301254
01:59 NekoGloop ☼
01:59 NekoGloop i have no idea :)
01:59 VanessaE Keegann: an IRC channel?  you just /part and when the last person leaves, the channel disappears, unless it's registered,
01:59 * NekoGloop face-keyboarded there
02:00 Keegann its register
02:00 _2cool4me4_ ? can anyone see that symbol?
02:00 NekoGloop no 2cool
02:00 VanessaE what symbol?
02:00 _2cool4me4_ the one at the start of that message, icechat says ?
02:00 NekoGloop oh
02:00 NekoGloop you did type a ?
02:00 VanessaE it's just a question mark for me
02:00 _2cool4me4_ no, I didn't type a question mark
02:00 NekoGloop literally, you typed a ?
02:00 _2cool4me4_ I can'
02:01 _2cool4me4_ t see it either
02:01 NekoGloop well what did you press?
02:02 NekoGloop ugh, how do i make the player's craftgrid be 2x2, but not have every 3x3 recipe fail?
02:02 VanessaE NekoGloop: afaik, 2x2 grids shift everything around
02:03 VanessaE what was A B C
02:03 VanessaE D E F
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02:03 VanessaE G H I
02:03 NekoGloop no i know
02:03 VanessaE becomes A B
02:03 VanessaE C D
02:03 VanessaE oh ok
02:03 NekoGloop set_width should work
02:03 Keegann hello poca
02:03 _2cool4me4_ mesecon wire is hard
02:03 _2cool4me4_ hard wiring
02:03 VanessaE naw, it's easy stuff.  making stuff *with* it can be hard ;)
02:03 NekoGloop its soft
02:04 NekoGloop soft and fluffy
02:05 NekoGloop ah, it only works if the mods depend on the mod that declares the player to have 2x2
02:06 NekoGloop eh...?
02:06 NekoGloop my recipe is invalid...?
02:06 leo_rockway I don't want to add fuel to the fire, but this thread says 4.3 http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2974
02:07 * NekoGloop hears vanessae's banhammer raise slightly
02:07 NekoGloop ok forget what i said about depending
02:07 * VanessaE leaves the banhammer in its holster.
02:07 VanessaE leo_rockway: perhaps you should re-load that thread ;)
02:08 NekoGloop lol
02:08 NekoGloop you edited it, you sly dog
02:08 VanessaE yup
02:08 leo_rockway huzzah!
02:08 NekoGloop wat da fawk
02:08 VanessaE less trouble than getting in an argument, less egregious than banning
02:08 NekoGloop my thing isnt working
02:08 VanessaE NekoGloop: use more lube?
02:08 * VanessaE runs
02:09 NekoGloop how do i call the inventory of the fawking player
02:09 NekoGloop nvm i found it :)
02:10 NekoGloop HOLY SHIT THAT WORKED
02:12 VanessaE what worked?
02:12 _2cool4me4_ calling on player inventory?
02:15 NekoGloop yeh
02:15 NekoGloop cant tell if I'm just lagging or player inventory crafting screwed up again
02:16 NekoGloop lol its not working AT ALL
02:16 NekoGloop (either that or i screwed up the recipe for this item)
02:17 NekoGloop nope, it doesnt work at all
02:17 NekoGloop not even on an angle like usual
02:17 NekoGloop well that sucks ;_;
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02:22 NekoGloop it seems to recognize i set the size, but not actually allow crafting
02:23 NekoGloop aaaaand noone gives a shit so I'll shut up now
02:24 NekoGloop do people even test these things before releasing them?
02:25 NekoGloop is the problem at line 780 in inventory_manager.cpp?
02:26 NekoGloop or lines 48 & 49 of player.cpp?
02:27 NekoGloop seriously, I'm lost here.
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02:29 LandMine_ i mback lol
02:29 LandMine_ lol
02:29 LandMine_ lol
02:29 LandMine_ lol
02:29 LandMine_ lol
02:29 LandMine_ lol
02:29 LandMine_ lol
02:29 Keegann fucker
02:29 LandMine_ VanessaE fuck you you fat CUNT!
02:29 _2cool4me4_ I hope you get k-lined
02:29 LandMine_ hahhaah
02:29 LandMine_ left #minetest
02:29 leo_rockway wow
02:29 NekoGloop he left lol
02:29 NekoGloop jsut as he was banned
02:30 NekoGloop you know, i dont give a shit that i misspelled that
02:30 _2cool4me4_ is there a way to ban his nick?
02:30 leo_rockway Mexican
02:30 leo_rockway _2cool4me4_: yes
02:30 NekoGloop called /ignore
02:30 NekoGloop :D
02:31 _2cool4me4_ I tried to /ignore, but now he can message me again
02:31 NekoGloop because of the _
02:31 _2cool4me4_ hrm
02:31 NekoGloop ignore LandMine_ as well
02:31 _2cool4me4_ he can use ssh tunneling to get on if he gets banned... *gran*
02:32 _2cool4me4_ *groan*
02:32 NekoGloop heh
02:32 MiJyn whatever
02:32 MiJyn banning is unethical
02:32 MiJyn doesn't matter how annoying the person in
02:32 _2cool4me4_ Not when you do that
02:32 MiJyn *is
02:32 NekoGloop celeron55 and/or thexyz: does set_width just not work?
02:33 _2cool4me4_ Cause and effect. He spams the page and he gets banned.
02:33 _2cool4me4_ page, channel, whatever :P
02:34 VanessaE and now he messages me, "why did you ban me, hun?"
02:34 VanessaE pfft
02:34 leo_rockway is the nick registered?
02:34 leo_rockway I don't remember how to check
02:35 VanessaE MiJyn: banning may be unethical if undeserved, but if the original reason (constant trolling) isn't, the immediate above most certainly is.
02:35 VanessaE leo_rockway: not sure
02:35 _2cool4me4_ what is that mode tag?
02:35 VanessaE b
02:35 MiJyn <VanessaE> MiJyn: banning may be unethical if undeserved, but if the original reason (constant trolling) isn't, the immediate above most certainly is.
02:35 _2cool4me4_ I meant what does it do? ;)
02:36 VanessaE wait, which mode tag?
02:36 _2cool4me4_ +b
02:36 VanessaE that's the irc shorthand for ban.
02:36 _2cool4me4_ hmm
02:36 NekoGloop its a channel mode, keeps the ip from joining
02:36 MiJyn VanessaE, like, for example, how I was banned on #minetest-dev. I was helping, but I wasn't "elite enough"
02:36 MiJyn even though I know C/C++ very well
02:36 MiJyn plus I worked on the minetest codebase for months
02:37 MiJyn on various different sections
02:37 VanessaE MiJyn: I won't begin to explain celeron55's reasoning for using bans
02:37 MiJyn and plus, LandMine wasn't being bad
02:37 VanessaE I use them only sparingly and usually only when someone's being an asshole
02:37 MiJyn he wasn't swearing
02:37 MiJyn maybe a bit of spamming
02:37 MiJyn but he stoped
02:37 MiJyn *stopped
02:37 VanessaE [09-07 22:29] <LandMine_> VanessaE fuck you you fat CUNT!
02:37 NekoGloop mijyn: who's side are you on? 0.o
02:37 VanessaE really? :-)
02:37 MiJyn NekoGloop, LandMine!
02:38 MiJyn VanessaE, okay, once
02:38 MiJyn or a few times
02:38 MiJyn he wasn't exactly being terrible
02:38 MiJyn I'd ban someone if he was trying to destroy my product
02:38 _2cool4me4_ mijyn: how about every time he joins the channel?
02:38 MiJyn I don't care if he swears or calls me thigns
02:38 MiJyn *things
02:38 _2cool4me4_ He is trying to destroy the natural order of the channel.
02:38 VanessaE MiJyn: every time I see him, he launches some sexist insult at me in particular
02:38 NekoGloop mijyn: banning is supposedly nothing for landmine to get over. so let's ban him all we want
02:38 VanessaE usually some variant of how I belong in the kitchen.
02:38 MiJyn 2cool, nope, he isn't destroying minetest
02:39 MiJyn VanessaE, okay, and? I wouldn't mind if I were you
02:39 _2cool4me4_ mijyn: but he is trying to destroy the working of the channel
02:39 VanessaE I can take that much.
02:39 MiJyn NekoGloop probably not, but why ban him?
02:39 VanessaE but when he fucks with everyone and then launches into a tirade?  ban.
02:39 MiJyn 2cool, no, he isn't. I know that for a fact
02:39 MiJyn VanessaE, WHO CARES? The best way is ignoring!
02:40 MiJyn just pretending not to know he's there
02:40 MiJyn he'll learn
02:40 MiJyn what you are doing is just feeding him
02:40 MiJyn you are not any better than him if you are doing that
02:40 MiJyn you are just hurting him and others
02:41 VanessaE um...
02:41 VanessaE as c55 would say, 'ehm, wut?'
02:41 _2cool4me4_ using xchat on ubuntu, and unaffiliated?
02:41 MiJyn 2cool, okay...?
02:41 _2cool4me4_ No point.
02:41 MiJyn VanessaE, ugh, you are one of those types... No better than C55... Can never be corrected...
02:42 VanessaE MiJyn: the problem is, he hasn't learned.
02:42 MiJyn because people kept feeding him!
02:42 MiJyn By banning him!
02:42 MiJyn <LandMine_> oldcoder what can i do so these people can love me again?
02:42 MiJyn he said that
02:42 OldCoder Hi
02:42 OldCoder ??
02:42 VanessaE yeah because he's trolling OC.
02:42 * OldCoder is confused
02:42 OldCoder Is somebody addressing me?
02:42 MiJyn I know that type of person. He's just trying to get himself back up
02:43 _2cool4me4_ You can go back to sleep
02:43 MiJyn nope
02:43 OldCoder k
02:43 MiJyn :)
02:43 VanessaE OC, go back to sleep ;)
02:43 OldCoder I am not sleeping yet
02:43 OldCoder Folks: My proposal is this:
02:43 OldCoder A bot that kicks based on nick plus patterns of insults
02:43 OldCoder Would allow participation and free speech but impose limits
02:44 _2cool4me4_ sounds like something in the Ubuntu channel
02:44 OldCoder They have that?
02:44 MiJyn no
02:44 _2cool4me4_ they have a lot of bots
02:44 _2cool4me4_ maybe not one that does that, but a lot
02:45 MiJyn 2cool, Y U CTCP ME?
02:45 _2cool4me4_ sowwy
02:45 MiJyn :P
02:45 _2cool4me4_ iNosy
02:46 MiJyn ugh, Now vanessae is doing this :/
02:46 VanessaE ;)
02:46 _2cool4me4_ sorry about the whois, vanessa, I was trying to hit Landmine
02:46 _2cool4me4_ but I missed the right click
02:46 VanessaE doesn't bother me at all :-)
02:46 _2cool4me4_ never type /ping (channel)
02:46 _2cool4me4_ too many replies
02:47 _2cool4me4_ I would hate to ping #Ubuntu
02:47 VanessaE I don't hide behind proxies, bouncers, TOR, etc., or bother with a handle.  :-)
02:47 _2cool4me4_ did my nick get unregistered again?
02:47 _2cool4me4_ nope
02:48 _2cool4me4_ PING
02:48 leo_rockway pong?
02:48 _2cool4me4_ Reply: too long
02:48 VanessaE Ping, Pong, has have or had pung.
02:49 leo_rockway I have a handle and I'm connected through ssh
02:49 _2cool4me4_ I'm connected through dhcp :P
02:49 * _2cool4me4_ is tiredd
02:51 _2cool4me4_ good night all
02:51 VanessaE nice 2cool
02:51 _2cool4me4_ and now for a funny quote
02:52 VanessaE "No, not the WED one!  Don't EVER push the WED one!"
02:53 MiJyn ?
02:53 VanessaE Daffy Duck, from a Looney Toons episode
02:54 VanessaE (I forget the name, DD was a salesman pushing a House of the Future)
02:54 Octupus i like daffy
02:55 VanessaE (he was mocking Elmer Fudd's lisp)
02:55 MiJyn oh
02:55 MiJyn lol
02:59 VanessaE damn it that's gonna drive me crazy..what was the episode?
02:59 VanessaE Design for Leaving?
03:01 VanessaE yup, that's the one
03:20 OWNSyouAll So does anyone know if you can use rollback_check to see all the blocks changed in a spot?
03:22 VanessaE no clue
03:24 khonkhortisan …pong
03:30 khonkhortisan youtube is too slow to transcribe daffy duck's speech
03:33 Keegann hey
03:33 VanessaE it IS incredibly slow tonight in facy.
03:33 VanessaE fact*
03:45 khonkhortisan does worldedit need nodes to be defined for //replace to work?
03:46 VanessaE no
03:47 VanessaE as long as you use the exact node name and they're within parts of the map that are loaded.
03:48 MiJyn wow
03:48 MiJyn Keegann is _nice_ here?
03:48 MiJyn how?
03:48 khonkhortisan I get Invalid search node name
03:48 khonkhortisan and it's the same name as what's not defined
03:48 VanessaE weird
03:49 VanessaE well it *used* to work
03:49 khonkhortisan //replace mesecons_crossing:crossing mesecons_extrawires:crossing
03:49 Keegann shut it
03:50 Octupus key
03:50 Octupus pm me
03:50 Octupus i need 2 have a chat
03:50 Keegann kick MiJy
03:50 khonkhortisan ? I don't think that's enough for a kick
03:51 MiJyn me neither :P
03:51 VanessaE Keegann: please don't start
03:51 VanessaE MiJyn was only being sarcastic
03:51 Keegann Kick him plz
03:52 Keegann no he wasnt
03:52 khonkhortisan _sarcastic_ remark
03:52 Keegann he was with landmine
03:52 VanessaE when?
03:53 Keegann now
03:53 khonkhortisan with landmine doing what?
03:53 Octupus keegan read the pm
03:53 Keegann against me
03:53 khonkhortisan I like that I can dig undefined nodes
03:54 Octupus keegan did u read the pm
03:55 khonkhortisan if anyone pms me I get it in a separate tab, so it takes me some time to find it
03:58 Octupus bye
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04:05 * MiJyn sighs
04:05 Keegann serio!
04:08 MiJyn ?
04:09 Keegann bye
04:28 cy1 anyone here?
04:28 cy1 I reset my map the other day.
04:29 khonkhortisan I see you reset to remove jungle holes
04:29 cy1 Anyone want to see what new stuff? :3
04:29 cy1 khonkhortisan: yeah, but
04:29 khonkhortisan you have vines and glow-in-the-dark bananas
04:29 cy1 I spent all today remaking your 4-helix staircase.
04:29 cy1 haha glow-in-the-dark is right
04:29 cy1 they also heal like 3.5 hearts
04:30 khonkhortisan how do you make it glow? not setting paramtype but setting param?
04:30 cy1 I also reset the map because my "epic maps" generation algorithm wasn't working. So now it is.
04:30 cy1 I dunno! Have to check the source.
04:31 cy1 Ah
04:31 cy1 Its drawtype is "torchlike"
04:31 cy1 The drawtype for apples is "plantlike"
04:31 khonkhortisan Are insulated mesecons made with soluble or insoluble fiber?
04:31 cy1 torchlike probably ignores lighting effects (since torches generate their own light
04:31 cy1 )
04:31 cy1 insulated...?
04:31 khonkhortisan but just saying torchlike doesn't create light
04:31 khonkhortisan yes, you craft fiber and mesecons to get insulated
04:32 cy1 no, but it ignores darkness.
04:32 cy1 what good are insulated mesecons?
04:34 khonkhortisan you can put rows of wires right next to each other
04:35 khonkhortisan for circuit boards
04:38 cy1 ooh neat
04:54 cy1 I prefer making actual circuit boards <_<
04:54 VanessaE too much trouble :-)
04:55 VanessaE (and I know, I've made enough of 'em :-) )
04:55 cy1 burnt fingers are a sign that you're doing well!
04:55 khonkhortisan a three-way junction needs a special function to tell how much power is on each wire
04:55 khonkhortisan battery + wire + a very steady hand = a spark
04:55 cy1 by prefer I mean I dislike making actual circuit boards.
04:55 VanessaE haha
04:56 khonkhortisan So american "traveling" or australian "travelling"?
04:58 OldCoder VanessaE, you don't sleep much
04:58 VanessaE naw, I sleep plenty, I just don't keep a predictable schedule
04:58 khonkhortisan Shall I make a pull request for crossed wire?
04:59 VanessaE yes
04:59 khonkhortisan Request Pulled.
04:59 VanessaE what'd you settle on for making them appear?
04:59 khonkhortisan um, I didn't yet. It's still crafting two wires, then crafting back.
05:00 VanessaE oh ok
05:01 khonkhortisan But I wrote all three ways in the pull request
05:01 khonkhortisan Is that what I think I see? I see a Merge pull request button!
05:02 * VanessaE sees one also ;)
05:02 VanessaE let's let Jeija take a look first :-)
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05:02 * khonkhortisan is scared of the power to change other people's code
05:02 VanessaE muahahahah
05:02 VanessaE but,
05:03 VanessaE he'll be back soon
05:03 TiredCoder Zzz
05:04 khonkhortisan This looks familiar, I can assign it to someone and to a milestone.
05:04 khonkhortisan cy1 I can't connect
05:04 khonkhortisan nevermind
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05:06 VanessaE HA!
05:06 VanessaE speak of the devil and he shall appear
05:06 khonkhortisan hello!
05:06 VanessaE Jeija, I believe you have some code waiting for you ;)
05:06 * khonkhortisan didn't press the wed one
05:11 Jeija merged already :)
05:11 VanessaE cooool
05:12 khonkhortisan it auto-updated my page
05:12 khonkhortisan So for my stuff (gates, crossed wire) is it acceptable to merge my own pull requests?
05:17 Jeija yep khonkhortisan, for those that I merged yet. Please tell me about new ones
05:17 Jeija (new ones = totally new nodes, not gates neither crossings)
05:18 * VanessaE tries to think what else mesecons could benefit from..
05:19 Jeija the only thing I can think of is that we're still missing vertical wires
05:20 VanessaE yes
05:22 khonkhortisan those require exceptions, I think
05:23 khonkhortisan okay, so modifications of nodes I created are fine, but notifications for creation of new nodes.
05:31 VanessaE oh it just hit me..
05:32 VanessaE how about some kind of object that takes up 2x2 nodes (stacked vertically) and takes up to 4 inputs from one face, turns one of 16 colors depending on the inputs
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05:33 M13 hello
05:33 VanessaE (RGBI)
05:33 VanessaE hi M13
05:33 M13 Hey
05:33 M13 have you seen my Fork
05:33 M13 I got a C++ coder helping me
05:34 VanessaE I know play using vanilla and a bunch of mods
05:34 M13 ?
05:34 VanessaE s/know/only/
05:34 M13 its UbuntuNerd VanessaE
05:34 VanessaE I know.
05:34 M13 o ok
05:34 VanessaE Ubuntunerd aka madchicken13
05:34 M13 yep
05:35 M13 i got my own channel for my fork
05:35 M13 ##minetest-m13
05:35 M13 but...
05:35 M13 yea.. so what are you up to?
05:36 VanessaE watching cartoons at the moment.
05:36 M13 awesome what cartoon?
05:37 VanessaE oh just some classic looney toons stuff
05:38 M13 o
05:38 M13 um can you crosscompile?
05:39 VanessaE nope, I don't know how.
05:39 VanessaE compiling is easy, cross-compiling I've never dealt with before.
05:41 VanessaE morning sfan5
05:41 sfan5 hi
05:42 M13 sfan5 can
05:42 M13 hey sfan can you cross compile?
05:42 sfan5 yep
05:42 sfan5 you could've answered that question yourself
05:43 M13 can you be a contributor to my fork
05:43 sfan5 maybe
05:43 M13 can you just cross compile my updates for my fork
05:43 M13 i have two versions
05:43 sfan5 github repo?
05:44 M13 no a site : minetestm13.weebly.com
05:44 M13 http://minetestm13.weebly.com
05:45 sfan5 well i need a link that does not change but always links to the latest version src
05:45 M13 click download and download the tarballs
05:46 M13 http://minetestm13.weebly.com/downloads.html
05:46 sfan5 i need a link that does not change but always links to the latest version src
05:46 M13 o
05:46 M13 i cant upload stuff to my github (DONTKNOW HOW)
05:47 M13 (Dont Know How)*
05:47 VanessaE go read the instructions then :-)
05:47 cy1 cross-compiling is something you typically only have to do for Microsoft. Coincidentally it's also a pain in the ass for Microsoft.
05:48 cy1 M13: just give us a git repository, on github or wherever.
05:48 M13 GitHub is Complicated >:(
05:48 cy1 that's all I need.
05:49 VanessaE github is easy to use
05:49 M13 i can give you the download link
05:49 VanessaE just do some reading.
05:49 cy1 download != synchronize
05:49 M13 http://minetestm13.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/1/7/13179023/minetest-m130.4.20120907_source.tar.gz
05:49 cy1 yeah, but I just want to download your changes, not the whole source.
05:50 cy1 I also want a record of what you've done, that I can go forward and backward through, merge and cherry-pick.
05:50 sfan5 M13: just use github
05:50 M13 can someone help me with it
05:50 M13 i made a repo
05:50 cy1 gitorious > github, both are really superfluous though...
05:50 M13 how do i upload files
05:51 cy1 M13: you fork celeron55's repository
05:51 cy1 then upload to that
05:51 M13 o ok
05:53 cy1 make a new repository works too, only difference is github doesn't let you make pull requests then. But you can make a pull request on IRC
05:53 M13 can you tell me how to cross compile?
05:53 cy1 hey celeron55 plz pull my changes thx
05:53 cy1 M13: For what OS, on what OS?
05:53 M13 Ubuntu 12.04 32 bit
05:54 M13 wait
05:54 M13 why is it so hard to download the src and compile it?
05:55 VanessaE it isn't.
05:55 cy1 I already have the source.
05:55 cy1 Just not your changes.
05:55 M13 this source is modified and works : http://minetestm13.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/1/7/13179023/minetest-m130.4.20120907_source.tar.gz
05:56 cy1 so you say
05:56 M13 it is
05:57 M13 OldCoder did it
05:57 M13 hes my C++ person
05:58 M13 ill try gitorious
05:58 cy1 it's the same as github really
05:58 cy1 tell OldCoder to do it though, it's his changes so it's his job.
05:58 cy1 alternatively just talk about your changes here. if we are intrigued your source may be downloaded.
05:59 M13 he cant cross compile , not many can
06:00 khonkhortisan I worldedited a 81x81x81 4-iteration 160,000 cobblestone menger sponge and it skipped two stones
06:00 cy1 Four stones.
06:00 cy1 I got 2 of them.
06:00 VanessaE khonkhortisan: that's insane.
06:00 M13 ok what do i need to install to cross compile?
06:01 khonkhortisan not as insane as making it by hand (only got about halfway)
06:01 cy1 M13: To cross compile on Windows, first you hit your friend over the head with a chair, then you install Linux really quick on his computer, then just give him the binaries :x
06:01 M13 I have Linux
06:01 M13 I need to Compile to Windpws
06:01 khonkhortisan and rename firefox.desktop to IE.desktop and change the icon
06:01 M13 Windows*
06:01 cy1 yes, to compile to Windows, the easiest method involves blunt head trauma theft and vandalism
06:02 M13 well it looks like im booting the old Windows XP Black edition
06:02 M13 Damn
06:02 khonkhortisan is it just me or does the fog not cover up the blocks disappearing when I move?
06:03 khonkhortisan oh yeah, I was going to fill it with water
06:03 cy1 but if you want the hard way, just get the mingw32 cross compiler which is available in Linux, then use it to compile your base libraries like irrlicht, openGL, openAL, etc. Then use it to compile minetest.
06:03 M13 thats it
06:03 cy1 oh, yeah or just get a hacked copy of windowz
06:03 cy1 you didn't hear it from me though!
06:04 M13 i have Windows XP Black Duh
06:04 M13 its Free
06:04 khonkhortisan //replace air default:water_flowing didn't work
06:04 khonkhortisan how do I replace air?
06:05 cy1 "free" heh
06:05 M13 yea bit torrent
06:05 khonkhortisan just like minecraft free
06:05 VanessaE no version of windows is free
06:05 cy1 khonkhortisan: that'd just flow all out to nothing...
06:05 VanessaE pirated != free
06:05 M13 ???
06:05 khonkhortisan but how do I tell it to turn air into something?
06:06 VanessaE khonkhortisan: try a comma :-)
06:06 VanessaE //replace air,whatever
06:06 cy1 air is the name of air, I dunno...
06:06 M13 What are the command to use this?
06:06 khonkhortisan it doesn't like commas
06:06 cy1 if you mess up my world though I'll rollback a backup >:(
06:06 cy1 try /help /replace
06:06 khonkhortisan I have my pos limits set
06:06 M13 ill ask someone to compile it
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06:07 VanessaE odd
06:07 VanessaE I thought it was just changed to need the comma
06:07 khonkhortisan //replace <search node> <replace node>
06:07 khonkhortisan maybe this is an old one
06:07 cy1 I installed the latest worldedit like yesterday...
06:07 cy1 from git :p
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06:08 VanessaE ok maybe it's a space then :-)
06:08 VanessaE anyway, time to hit the sheets.  good night.
06:08 khonkhortisan I can't replace cobblestone either?
06:10 khonkhortisan oh, default:cobble
06:10 khonkhortisan now, what's air?
06:12 khonkhortisan oh, it changes "air" to "default:air" which doesn't exist
06:12 khonkhortisan I think
06:12 sfan5 <khonkhortisan>  //replace <search node> <replace node>
06:12 sfan5 <khonkhortisan> maybe this is an old one
06:12 sfan5 no its the latest version
06:13 khonkhortisan then can you tell me how to replace air?
06:13 khonkhortisan /set air //replace air default:cobble it doesn't work
06:13 sfan5 lemme test
06:15 sfan5 you're right
06:15 sfan5 it doesn't work
06:16 cy1 air must not be search-able
06:16 khonkhortisan worldedit.set takes the parameters as they are, while worldedit.replace adds "default:" if there's no ":"
06:16 cy1 maybe a special command to replace air...
06:16 cy1 oh damn
06:16 cy1 khonkhortisan: that'd do it
06:16 khonkhortisan it would work if it didn't change "air" to "default:air" before replacing
06:17 khonkhortisan should be 'if searchnode:find(":") == nil and not searchnode == "air" then' on line 50
06:18 khonkhortisan or searchnode ~= "air" actually
06:18 cy1 I'll change it really quick.
06:19 khonkhortisan yeah, that fixed it.
06:19 khonkhortisan Now, do aliases have the same problem?
06:19 cy1 fixed it?
06:19 cy1 I haven't changed it yet :>
06:19 khonkhortisan yeah "if searchnode:find(":") == nil and searchnode ~= "air"then"
06:19 khonkhortisan I tried it myself
06:20 cy1 oh, 'k
06:23 sfan5 this is my fix: https://github.com/Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit/commit/ce9ce35a20c9280813161b6783aac39c15ed1f70
06:24 sfan5 if the node exists, proceed | if not, prefix "default:"
06:24 khonkhortisan huh. That's probably more likely to work for aliases
06:24 cy1 sfan5: awesome, will pull that.
06:24 khonkhortisan But then it still might not be registered, and won't throw an error
06:25 khonkhortisan you beat me to getting it on github
06:26 khonkhortisan sfan5, that doesn't seem to work
06:27 sfan5 it works
06:27 sfan5 i tested it
06:27 khonkhortisan oh, oops forgot the nil
06:29 khonkhortisan now what's with this function? With no changes, //replace cobble air works just fine, and //replace air cobble doesn't.
06:29 khonkhortisan it shouldn't treat searchnode and replacenode differently.
06:29 khonkhortisan They should both have the same checks
06:31 sfan5 lol http://octodex.github.com/minion/
06:35 sfan5 http://octodex.github.com/nyantocat/
06:35 sfan5 khonkhortisan: https://github.com/Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit/commit/a429e104a24b4d218733056dff4d681ec76036da
06:36 khonkhortisan much better
06:38 cy1 CPU at 101% eh
06:38 khonkhortisan I //copy y 0'd the whole cube
06:38 cy1 not //replace air default:water_flowing ?
06:38 khonkhortisan probably every node moved triggers water or something crazy like that
06:38 cy1 every node placed gets water moving again.
06:38 khonkhortisan No, then it would go out the side
06:39 cy1 yeah, but the side water would run out
06:39 khonkhortisan it looks like columns of rain in the center of the side of it
06:39 cy1 <3
06:39 khonkhortisan 531441 nodes copied
06:40 cy1 ok should settle down in a few minutes then
06:40 cy1 unless the server overheats again...
06:41 khonkhortisan sfan5, your second if needs another indent :P
06:42 sfan5 i know
06:43 khonkhortisan want to see the water sponge?
06:45 khonkhortisan swimming through water should update it
06:49 khonkhortisan I want to move the water source down one node so it's inside the cube, but the server isn't responding yet
06:49 khonkhortisan I wonder if a single player can run two overlapping worldedit commands at the same time
06:51 thexyz http://pastebin.com/FAv70Kuz
06:52 khonkhortisan sorry cy1 I think it's at a crawl
06:53 thexyz > NekoGloopceleron55 and/or thexyz: does set_width just not work?
06:53 thexyz of course it doesn't work otherwise how could it be merged to master branch?
06:55 khonkhortisan did we kill your computer?
06:57 khonkhortisan I think I ran a function over another function
06:58 khonkhortisan what if you set_height then set_width?
07:00 khonkhortisan :(
07:05 khonkhortisan worldedit's functions should be moved to globalstep
07:07 celeron55 khonkhortisan: add debug output near inventorymanager.cpp:794 and see what happens
07:09 khonkhortisan thexyz, what c55 said.
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07:10 khonkhortisan did it break? I'm sorry
07:13 thexyz ?
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07:15 thexyz nope, it works just like it should
07:15 thexyz i guess neko just cannot into it
07:15 khonkhortisan no cy's server, worldediting a little too much
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07:35 sfan5 guess what i'm working on: http://i.imgur.com/XSp5D.png
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07:55 khonkhortisan armor
07:55 khonkhortisan and displaying the player model
07:56 sfan5 yeah
08:04 iqualfragile sounds great
08:04 iqualfragile but i think hunger would be more important
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08:27 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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08:36 iqualfragile hi PilzAdam
08:36 PilzAdam Tag auch
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09:04 Calinou hmm, iqualfragile is in #ubuntu :D
09:04 iqualfragile jup
09:05 Calinou btw: I can run 64 bit guest OSes with virtualbox just fine...
09:06 iqualfragile i cant and thats bad
09:11 PilzAdam VanessaE, youre here?
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10:02 jordach morning all
10:02 PilzAdam hi
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10:12 jordach VanessaE, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=41523#p41523 THANKS.
10:15 * Calinou finally installed xubuntu on his laptop
10:15 Calinou VanessaE, ^
10:15 Calinou :D
10:16 * jordach high fives Calinou!
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10:39 Calinou it's pretty nice and doesn't beep when booting it/shutdown :P
10:39 Calinou installing minetest
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10:50 iqualfragile calinou: i personaly think xfce is ugly
10:50 iqualfragile try lxde
10:53 iqualfragile realbadangel: can you give me your current version of tubes so i can test the network-performance?
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11:05 Calinou xfce is awesome.
11:05 Calinou it's not ugly; the desktop effects are quite nice too
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11:08 FreeFull You can make xfce4 as pretty as you want
11:10 Keegann hello
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11:18 iqualfragile hi keegann
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11:24 Keegann last bight was long
11:24 Keegann night
11:24 PilzAdam every night has the same lenght ;-)
11:26 iqualfragile no, it depends on the seasion
11:26 jordach :)
11:27 iqualfragile 69 Personen im Raum
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11:32 Keegann whatc been up to
11:38 iqualfragile trülö
11:40 PilzAdam https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/244
11:44 Keegann ?
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11:51 Keegann hello
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13:45 celeron55 http://c55.me/random/2012-09/screenshot_2786899803.png
13:45 OldCoder Viewing
13:45 OldCoder What is it?
13:45 OldCoder Rainbow steps
13:46 celeron55 https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/tree/meta_set_nodedef
13:46 OldCoder Viewing
13:46 OldCoder k
13:47 OldCoder Lua API change
13:47 Keegann ike it
13:47 Keegann like
13:47 celeron55 eh
13:47 celeron55 it's an experimental feature
13:48 celeron55 i've already spent a full workday on it
13:48 celeron55 http://minetest.net/packages/nightly/minetest-0.4.3-4a11323-meta_set_nodedef-win32.zip
13:49 Keegann is there a way to make nyan cat yet?
13:51 OldCoder <celeron55> i've already spent a full workday on it
13:51 OldCoder Happens, doesn't it :-)
13:52 OldCoder The code needs you; you can't stop
13:53 celeron55 sure i can
13:53 celeron55 from now on you'll continue that branch, ok?
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13:56 Jordach utube comenters about minetest dichotomous: http://i.imgur.com/o2vyq.png
13:57 OldCoder celeron55, Addressing me or Keegann? I hope to work on branches but there are situations elsewhere that have most of my projects stopped cold
13:57 celeron55 my guess is nobody will never, ever make me even 10th of the favor i've made to other people by making this thing
13:57 OldCoder celeron55, You are entirely correct
13:57 Jordach hmm?
13:57 OldCoder celeron55, try 1%
13:58 OldCoder celeron55, However: It will live on
13:58 OldCoder MC will not
13:58 Jordach because publie repo
13:58 Jordach s/publie/public
13:58 OldCoder It is FOSS. Fun FOSS. And interesting.
13:58 celeron55 no
13:59 OldCoder No?
13:59 celeron55 it's FOSS that *works*
13:59 celeron55 8D
13:59 OldCoder Ah. Indeed.
13:59 Jordach trololololol
13:59 * OldCoder does not know that meme though he has heard of it
13:59 Keegann is there a way to have different color chat in game
14:00 celeron55 https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Open_Source
14:00 OldCoder celeron55, How does it feel; overtaking a commercial project? If you read ESR you know it will happen. Even with kid developers. And what does the ED article say?
14:00 celeron55 ESR is what?
14:01 celeron55 also, what article?
14:01 OldCoder Eric S. Raymond. Review "Cathedral and the Bazaar". MC is Cathedral. You are Bazaar and therefore will overtake. And the E.D. Open Source article you just linked.
14:02 OldCoder I have a friend who knows him. Maybe we can get him to comment in time on the two projects.
14:03 celeron55 well dunno
14:03 OldCoder k
14:03 celeron55 about the overtaking thing
14:03 Jordach Keegann - change the colour of fontlucida
14:03 OldCoder It is inevitable in time
14:03 Jordach in /textures/pack
14:04 celeron55 if there was somebody in addition to me working on the engine code, then i would guess what ESR says, but as it currently is, i wouldn't be so sure
14:04 Jordach celeron55, no. it will.
14:04 OldCoder celeron55, If my situation changes I may be able to contribute. You may pick up other developers in time as well.
14:04 celeron55 there are many old FOSS games that are roughly 100% forgotten
14:05 OldCoder celeron55, I revive them.
14:05 OldCoder I have toys from the 1990s :D
14:05 OldCoder Eventually my own distro will be the go-to place for games
14:06 * OldCoder does not like to see useful projects disappear
14:06 Jordach this thing is 2 years old and has a huge followingh
14:06 OldCoder Indeed
14:07 OldCoder It needs more active developers but they will appear over time
14:07 OldCoder For one thing, some of these kids may grow into the role
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14:11 Jordach OldCoder - im almost there to start c++ ing
14:11 Jordach (in fact i have my own little fork)
14:11 OldCoder Jordach, k
14:11 OldCoder Oh?
14:11 OldCoder Good practice
14:12 Jordach c55, why did we stop using sectors?
14:12 celeron55 ehm, wat?
14:12 Jordach sectors map format
14:13 celeron55 it rapes the filesystem
14:13 Jordach ahh.
14:14 Jordach we need a mapgen more like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NszGurDUlHc&amp;list=UU3XJRyvLD7rvsVFCFS1IX0A&amp;index=5&amp;feature=plcp
14:14 celeron55 i call notch a magician because of that
14:15 celeron55 the speed he made minecraft to generate that terrain is just nuts
14:15 Jordach i think some algorithm is needed - 0.2 is damn fast
14:16 celeron55 "0.2 is damn fast"?
14:16 Jordach minetest wise on 64 bit
14:17 Jordach i enjoy the maps from that age - and i want jungles again
14:17 OldCoder Jungles sound fun
14:18 Jordach we used to have them
14:18 Jordach see stable-0.2
14:18 OldCoder y
14:18 Jordach or 0.3.1
14:18 Jordach they can be foubd\
14:18 celeron55 you can't probably believe how many hours i have watched that and some other videos, trying to figure out what the fuck minecraft is doing
14:18 Jordach found
14:18 Jordach celeron55 - but the game and check the source
14:18 OldCoder Quite a bit of time I assume
14:18 Jordach s/but/buy
14:19 celeron55 i do own a copy of minecraft, but the source isn't really available anywhere except as a complex bunch of bat scripts for windows and whatever
14:20 celeron55 to extract it
14:20 OldCoder y
14:20 OldCoder celeron55, what's the fundamental issue in this case? Generating a jungle rapidly? Excuse the naive question
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14:21 OldCoder Would a fractal algorithm be relevant?
14:21 celeron55 OldCoder: i'm not talking about jungles
14:21 OldCoder k
14:21 * OldCoder will back out then
14:21 OldCoder celeron55, MT doesn't need to clone MC
14:21 celeron55 i was talking about the shape of the minecraft terrain
14:22 OldCoder y
14:22 Jordach hmm - v3s16 seems to be the problem with co-ordinates and mapsize
14:22 celeron55 minecraft alpha's terrain generator is quite unarguably... ehm... fucking awesome, so to say
14:22 OldCoder Ah
14:22 Jordach yes
14:22 OldCoder I assume the available FOSS terrain generators have been reviewed
14:23 celeron55 eh, as if there was any
14:23 Jordach i'd love to see a hybrid 0.2/chunky mapgen engine
14:23 OldCoder I've seen a few but I can't speak to their quality
14:24 celeron55 there'd need to be a hugely optimized way of genering boatloads of complicated 3D noise
14:24 OldCoder y
14:24 OldCoder Reviewing some articles now
14:24 Jordach where is the variable v3s16 first registed
14:24 OldCoder celeron55, Fractals
14:25 OldCoder http://vterrain.org/Elevation/Artificial/
14:25 Jordach because if that became a long signed thing - 18 million sized maps would work
14:25 OldCoder This page looks interesting too
14:25 celeron55 Jordach: before s16 becomes a problem, float percision becomes a problem
14:25 celeron55 Jordach: you'd need to find a way for it first
14:26 OldCoder One writer suggests starting with a genuine terrain map and then simulating erosion.
14:26 celeron55 LOL
14:26 Jordach the current co-ords only display 0.4, -10, 997.5 so i dont see why we need stuff like 4.456743271296, -1984.25625654 , 9784.5754733
14:26 OldCoder rather, a genuine elevation map
14:26 celeron55 that is just *incredibly* slow
14:27 OldCoder Fractals then?
14:27 celeron55 fractals, as in perlin noise?
14:27 OldCoder I don't know the term; it's been 20 years. Reviewing.
14:28 Jordach we have implemented perlin noise
14:28 OldCoder No; not Perlin noise. What I had in mind would work better for plants. I'll need to read further.
14:28 OldCoder There must be a fast algorithm
14:28 celeron55 minetest uses perlin noise for most things; the current mapgen uses mostly 2D noise, a previous one uses 3D noise, and the one before that was the same as now, and the one before that used 2D noise in a very simple way
14:28 celeron55 that is why i asked for a fast 3D noise algorithm
14:28 OldCoder 3D noise. Yes.
14:28 OldCoder But does it resemble natural shapes?
14:29 OldCoder Hmm
14:29 celeron55 the 3D noise implementation in minetest is quite suboptimal to my knowledge
14:29 Kray but the real question is
14:29 Kray when we get that nice realistic liquid back? 8)
14:29 celeron55 there are many "real questions" 8)
14:29 Kray (ok, never)
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14:30 celeron55 Kray: at the exact moment when somebody implements it
14:30 Kray it was interesting system
14:30 celeron55 (in a way that doesn't eat all resources)
14:30 Kray celeron55: well, would it even matter
14:30 Kray it is possible to implement to be so fast it is usable?
14:31 celeron55 there is finiteliquid or something like that for minecraft, which, to my knowledge, is usable - but it has went through huge optimization efforts
14:31 OldCoder Kray, I am sure it is. But there is no magic in the world. Work will be needed. Can you code yet?
14:32 Kray I don't know anything about minetest's codebase nor am i interested
14:32 Keegann there should be a mod that a book have the debug in it
14:33 Kray and I'm not capable to implement any algorithms like that
14:33 OldCoder Kray, you will be in time
14:33 Kray nope
14:34 OldCoder Kray, If you are not interested so be it
14:34 Kray I'm not interested
14:34 * OldCoder shrugs
14:34 OldCoder Then why ask?
14:34 celeron55 minetest's codebase tends to be too complicated for mortals
14:34 Kray 8D
14:34 celeron55 either people are afraid of it, or they just can't get into it
14:35 celeron55 it has a good bunch of hairy wrapper tricks that were implemented at the 0.3 -> 0.4 transition, for example 8)
14:35 OldCoder Code is code
14:35 OldCoder It can be mastered
14:35 OldCoder Plus it will simplify over time
14:36 OldCoder Hairy can have haircut
14:36 celeron55 well yeah, you just need to cut the hairs in the middle and still be able to connect them correctly, because both ends are important 8)
14:36 OldCoder Yes. The regrettable part is that some old worlds will be lost.
14:37 celeron55 nah, backwards-compatibility is easy
14:37 Keegann there should be a kick command in the game
14:37 celeron55 you just need to be careful
14:37 Kray yesterday I tried some pre-release version from 2010
14:37 Kray dat nostalgia
14:37 celeron55 the thing that is not easy is getting enough of the system to fit into your brain to redesign a middle part of it, and have the time that doing it requires
14:38 OldCoder Yes
14:38 Keegann *__*
14:38 OldCoder :-)
14:38 OldCoder That is an odd emoticon
14:38 Keegann i just made it up
14:38 celeron55 i mean, there are 82k lines of code
14:39 celeron55 8)
14:39 OldCoder 82,000 for a start
14:39 OldCoder 100,000 is coming then.
14:39 * OldCoder laughs
14:39 Kray durr, I actually remember one world we played with before you implemented saving
14:39 celeron55 i remember it too; there was a castle made by rndprogy
14:39 celeron55 and a trollface drawn on the ground
14:40 OldCoder Artwork. Should live on.
14:40 OldCoder Performance Art at that.
14:40 Kray oh, that's even earlier
14:40 Kray or hmm
14:40 Kray yeah, definitely earlier
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14:40 celeron55 i think there were only 1 or 2 worlds that didn't have saving
14:40 Kray but wasn't it Gwaur's castle?
14:40 celeron55 that world had saving
14:40 celeron55 i have it 8)
14:40 Kray oh
14:41 celeron55 or hmm... did it
14:42 celeron55 let me find some screenshots...
14:43 Kray oh wow http://kray.dy.fi/b/invavuori.jpg
14:43 Kray first time playing with time-night cycle
14:44 Kray err, *day-night
14:44 celeron55 this was a world with no saving: http://c55.me/random/2010-10/old/kasihymi%C3%B6.png
14:44 celeron55 and this: http://c55.me/random/2010-10/old/verkkopelia.png
14:44 celeron55 actually, that is the same world i think...
14:45 Kray I remember one world which we also had without saving
14:45 celeron55 was there large buildings on water? and some walkways?
14:45 celeron55 i tried to find a screenshot but couldn't
14:46 Kray large buildings and walkways high in air
14:46 celeron55 i mean, there is this http://c55.me/minetest/oldsite/images/map_thumbnails/devserver_2010-11-01_screenshot_small.png
14:46 Kray I personally remember building a monolithic tower and am relatively sure I have a screenshow somewhere
14:46 celeron55 but it was before that
14:46 Kray *screenshot
14:47 celeron55 gwaur's castle was a huge dull looking square with high walls and nothing inside, i think
14:47 celeron55 in that screenshot it is to the right and isn't that huge or dull
14:48 celeron55 and has some stuff inside
14:49 Kray no, that's still the same one
14:49 Kray we had some later world
14:50 Kray this http://kray.dy.fi/b/pilvenpiirtaja.jpg
14:50 celeron55 i think that is what i was talking about
14:51 Kray well, I was talking about that too
14:51 celeron55 i don't think i have it anywhere
14:51 Kray yeah
14:51 Kray I'm fairly certain that was right before saving was implemented
14:52 VanessaE good morning (etc.) all
14:52 celeron55 i wonder what this is http://c55.me/random/2012-09/map-2010-11-1.tar.gz
14:53 celeron55 it is the earliest i have
14:53 Keegann hey VanessaE
14:53 celeron55 i wonder if sectors2sqlite can make any sense of that......
14:55 VanessaE heh, something of that format I guess isn't recognized by 0.4.3 :-)
14:56 celeron55 oh god
14:56 celeron55 this loads just fine as-is, except that water is somewhat screwed
14:56 celeron55 it dries out after generating because water is loaded as flowing water
14:57 VanessaE guess I don't know what I'm doing where old maps are concerned :D
14:57 VanessaE hi Keegann
14:58 celeron55 i mean... what the fuck :D
14:58 celeron55 minetest was less than 1 month old when this was saved
14:59 celeron55 it's now 23 months old and it still loads almost completely, and with no errors
14:59 thexyz am i the only one who has those range glitches? http://i.imgur.com/GoqKu.png
14:59 * Jordach looks into map, decides to fix it up
15:00 celeron55 thexyz: no
15:00 Calinou happens to me sometimes
15:00 VanessaE thexyz: you mean like that stone tower in the distance being half gone? no.
15:00 Calinou the floating leaves don't really look good :P
15:00 Jordach thexyz - thats the auto drawing mechanism...i think
15:01 Jordach oh god, ive been with minetest for almost a year now
15:01 celeron55 Kray: http://c55.me/random/2012-09/invaline-2012-09-08_18-00-47.png
15:02 celeron55 anyway, that is the first world ever that had saving
15:02 OldCoder A year. A huge amount of time. Wait a few decades :p <Jordach> oh god, ive been with minetest for almost a year now
15:03 Kray lol, a newcomer
15:03 Kray 8)
15:03 celeron55 a year is 52% of minetest's age
15:03 Kray celeron55: oh dog
15:03 Calinou nice torch field :P
15:04 Kray celeron55 did one mistake during development
15:04 Kray he used the same id for torches that a white light-emitting block had
15:04 OldCoder It is all relative, yes
15:04 Jordach actually - i like that ID
15:04 Kray that somewhat breaks all of very early worlds
15:04 celeron55 Kray: also, i use the same id for the static blocky water and actually flowing water
15:04 celeron55 which sucks too
15:04 Kray 8(
15:05 celeron55 i have the old worlds converted to new ones with suitable mods in them to make them work like the old ones though 8)
15:05 Kray hey, could you just have something that checks if the map format is old enough
15:05 Kray oh
15:05 Jordach Kray - i like that
15:07 Jordach c55, VanessaE, Calinou, do we need more moderators?
15:08 Keegann no
15:08 Jordach i just fear the day when minetest goes viral
15:08 Jordach supreme influx of users.
15:09 VanessaE no
15:09 Keegann theres five of them
15:09 Calinou Jordach, no
15:09 Calinou 6 is enough
15:09 Jordach lets scale current user base to 600000 users
15:09 Jordach then see how 6 can handle
15:09 Keegann its fine half of them are dead accounts
15:10 Jordach we DONT know when MT goes viral
15:11 VanessaE celeron55: when you get some time, I've got an odd bug for you. Run 3dforniture on an old map and observe the trees.  :-)
15:11 Jordach why
15:11 Calinou Keegann, more like 95%
15:12 Keegann ok
15:12 Calinou don't forget the 90-9-1 rule: 90% of lurkers, 9% of semi active people, 1% of active people
15:13 Calinou 2610,9 lurkers, 261,09 semi active users (few posts), 29,01 active users
15:13 Calinou yes, I can cut people
15:13 Calinou 8)
15:13 Jordach me Calinou, VanessaE, Keegann, m16 and others class as active
15:13 Keegann yea
15:13 Jordach we also need a forum for off topic
15:13 Calinou please no OT forum
15:13 Jordach or - wibbles
15:13 Calinou there's a fuckton of moderation to do for them, it causes pointless flamewars
15:13 Calinou and this is the minetest forum
15:14 Jordach wibbles is a place for topics to burn - and the users in it too
15:14 Jordach however no moderation happens
15:21 thexyz Jordach: here's your offtopic forum: http://www.4chan.org/
15:21 Jordach ha!
15:22 Calinou true story ^
15:26 VanessaE haha
15:30 OldCoder Is the active discussion about forums or IRC or both?
15:33 Jordach OldCoder, can you test making a better mapgen using my fork of minetest
15:33 OldCoder Jordach, maybe; PM
16:05 khonkhortisan replacing a node inside minetest.register_on_punchnode when the node you're replacing digs nearly instantly causes the replacement node to also be dug nearly instantly.
16:06 VanessaE isn't
16:06 VanessaE isn't there an after-dig callback also?
16:07 khonkhortisan yeah, but then I couldn't tell if they were trying to remove the wire or cross the wire
16:07 VanessaE insert a check there to see if the node disappeared and replace it if necessary
16:07 VanessaE set a global flag during the punch node action that shows if the user was trying to add a cross wire
16:08 VanessaE then read from that flag in the after-dig call and check if the node got removed
16:08 VanessaE it's a hacky way to solve the problem though - the user would be forced to dig the wire with something other than another wire to prevent unwanted crossings
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16:09 Keegann so u guys had a disscussion about landmine
16:09 VanessaE you know, it just occurred to me,
16:10 VanessaE you can auto-detect the need for a crossed wire by checking for only 4 wires present - three in a line in any direction, and one adjacent
16:10 VanessaE only place the crossing if the 5th position is a mesecon device of any kind
16:10 VanessaE using the rules returned by that node to determine if a connection is possible
16:11 VanessaE or just assume those 4 wires indicate a crossing whether there's a mesecon device there or not
16:11 khonkhortisan okay, so I have a switch, then a line of insulated wire, then a lamp. The insulated wire will cross and turn on the lamp.
16:11 VanessaE do a substring match on the 5th position - if it starts with "mesecons:" then query its connection rules
16:12 VanessaE ok, do a substring match and rules check on both of the adjacent positions :-)
16:12 VanessaE but,
16:12 VanessaE that doesn't allow for devices to just sit next to a wire
16:13 VanessaE so having at least 4 wires (including more crossings) in the vicinity would have to be the case,
16:13 khonkhortisan and we don't want to do the same things slabs did, where placing one on another combines them.
16:13 VanessaE it would preserve your test world and provide a predictable way to auto-place it
16:13 VanessaE right
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16:15 VanessaE make it so it checks for 4 wires, and also so that you can also manually place a crossing
16:16 VanessaE that way if the check fails in the case of a length of wire with devices on either side of it
16:16 VanessaE you can still connect them together
16:16 Jordach me and old-code are going to work on my fork - by adding a improved mapgen and a highly simple mod api
16:17 thexyz api in what language?
16:17 Jordach (i wont highlight him as he is alseep)
16:17 Jordach custom json like api
16:17 VanessaE BASIC!!!!
16:17 VanessaE :)
16:17 Jordach VanessaE - almost there
16:17 khonkhortisan So if it automatically creates them and recipes create them can I pick them back up, thereby getting crossed wire without using a recipe, or can I not pick them back up, thereby losing what I put into the recipe?
16:18 VanessaE khonkhortisan: what's the recipe now?
16:18 Jordach VanessaE. thexyz, http://pastebin.com/xXtHEt3x
16:18 khonkhortisan two insulated -> crossed -> two insulated
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16:18 thexyz Jordach: what is that?
16:18 khonkhortisan if it was automatic instead of a recipe it would only be one insulated
16:18 Jordach a custom design
16:18 VanessaE khonkhortisan: ok, so if you dig the crossing, give back two wires.
16:18 MilanFIN lol I was banned from here
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16:18 M13 OldCoder are you her
16:19 Jordach no hes not
16:19 khonkhortisan So I place five wires in a plus, dig the crossed part, craft it, and end up with six wires.
16:19 thexyz Jordach: so is it capable only of defining new nodes?
16:19 Jordach and other things too once we get there
16:19 VanessaE khonkhortisan: make the auto-creation of the crossing always check for an extra wire in your inventory then
16:19 VanessaE if there isn't one, don't create the crossing
16:19 khonkhortisan okay that makes more sense
16:20 VanessaE if there is, create the crossing and deduct it from the inventory
16:20 khonkhortisan What if the center isn't the last node placed? What if the side wire was last placed? How will I tell the center node who to take the wire from?
16:21 M13 ok Im a OP on my IRC Channel but i cant get on it? How do I (New at IRC
16:21 VanessaE khonkhortisan: in my pipes, I use a limited recursive search around the node being placed/dug
16:21 khonkhortisan then how'd you become an op on it?
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16:22 khonkhortisan Can a node call a function in another node?
16:22 VanessaE so basically I check the node being dug/placed, and I check the 6 nodes surrounding it
16:22 VanessaE dunno
16:22 VanessaE in your case, you'd check the position being dug and the four orthogonally adjacent spots
16:23 khonkhortisan it could cross for any distance
16:23 VanessaE oh sure, but if you're not digging the crossing itself or one of the adjacent wires, there's no reason to re-evaluate it at all
16:23 Keegann hey M13
16:24 khonkhortisan like if you had many many rows of insulated wire and made a crossed one go through them all
16:24 VanessaE that's a case where the player's going to have to manually place the crossing where it is needed
16:25 Keegann M13 are u sure you are connecting tothe right channel
16:25 Jordach VanessaE, khonkhortisan, herad to #minetest-mods
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16:25 Jordach head to
16:25 VanessaE no :)
16:25 khonkhortisan we're fine right here
16:26 VanessaE hrm
16:26 Keegann M13?
16:27 VanessaE what about using the before-construct callback?  On a rick click, that function is executed before the node is actually added.  couldn't you run your cross/uncross code then?
16:27 VanessaE s/rick click/right click/
16:28 VanessaE then it would avoid the dig action entirely
16:28 khonkhortisan Should I directly edit the insulated wire file, or redefine it in extrawires?
16:28 VanessaE and you could drop two insulated wires on dig, or cross/uncross on an attempt to place
16:28 VanessaE that would probably be best done by editing the insulated wire code
16:29 VanessaE when you uncross, check the orientation of the wires/devices around the crossing and use those to determine which direction the single insulated wire should take when it appears
16:30 M13 yea Keegan
16:31 M13 ##minetest-m13
16:31 Keegann did you login
16:31 VanessaE "channe is invite only"
16:31 VanessaE +l
16:31 khonkhortisan 09:32|* Cannot join ##minetest-m13 (Channel is invite only).
16:31 VanessaE is there a bot in there holding it hostage>
16:31 VanessaE ?
16:32 M13 no its invite inly
16:32 M13 only*
16:32 khonkhortisan you can always create a random channel
16:32 M13 but im the OP of the Channel
16:32 VanessaE M13: check the help files on chanserv
16:32 khonkhortisan #randomchannelname
16:32 VanessaE see if you can get chanserv to make it non-invite
16:33 Keegann i camt invite u
16:33 Keegann im no an op
16:33 M13 whats the Command Vanessa
16:33 VanessaE /msg chanserv invite ##minetest-m13
16:33 VanessaE try that
16:33 M13 -ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation.
16:34 VanessaE are you registered as the owner of the channel?
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16:34 M13 no OldCoder is
16:34 VanessaE the he has to.
16:34 VanessaE then*
16:34 Keegann yea
16:36 M13 ok can you tell him to make it public Keegan tell him i want it Public
16:37 M13 so i dont meed to go through this crap
16:37 Keegann hes resting
16:37 M13 ik
16:37 M13 when hes back
16:38 M13 Keegan go here : http://minetestm13.weebly.com
16:38 M13 its the fork site
16:40 Keegann so its with the forums now?
16:40 M13 no the forums are still
16:40 M13 there the same forums
16:41 Keegann yea
16:42 OldCoder Hi
16:42 LandMine joined #minetest
16:42 LandMine hi everybody
16:43 LandMine keegann you still mad baby?
16:43 OldCoder M13, Let's talk back there
16:43 OldCoder Keegann, don't respond
16:43 Keegann urgh
16:43 OldCoder Keegann, don't respond
16:43 M13 WOOP
16:43 OldCoder This is what you need to understand
16:43 OldCoder M13, Back to the other channel please
16:43 M13 Cant
16:44 M13 Need invite
16:44 khonkhortisan still invite only
16:44 OldCoder M13, you are invited
16:44 M13 make it public
16:44 OldCoder M13, PM
16:44 LandMine keegann thought you were gonna kill me
16:44 LandMine what happened with that
16:44 LandMine ?
16:44 M13 ##minetest-m13 Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited
16:44 LandMine you acted so gangsta lol
16:44 khonkhortisan ^ taunt
16:45 khonkhortisan M13 your not invited message is slightly different than mine
16:45 LandMine i want an invite OldCoder
16:45 khonkhortisan I don't know the purpose of that channel, so I don't want in
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16:46 LandMine m13 what happened to your server baby?
16:46 LandMine got griefed pretty good heh
16:46 LandMine hahahaahahaha
16:47 M13 You Fucked it up
16:47 M13 Im going to turn into Fucking Keegann if toy dont Shut your fucking face
16:48 VanessaE M13, don't start
16:48 khonkhortisan worldedit needs function do_in_spare_time(func, param) minetest.register_on_globalstep(func(param)) end
16:48 M13 left #minetest
16:48 khonkhortisan scared them both off
16:48 khonkhortisan haha double ban
16:49 Keegann he'll change his ip
16:49 celeron55 VanessaE: that isn't a valid ban
16:49 VanessaE wait, you're right
16:49 celeron55 we could set this channel "registered users only"
16:49 M13 joined #minetest
16:49 VanessaE forgot the leading star
16:49 M13 OldCoder
16:49 celeron55 you can do that on freenode
16:49 OldCoder <khonkhortisan> I don't know the purpose of that channel, so I don't want in
16:49 celeron55 i also think "only registered users can speak" is possible
16:50 celeron55 somebody find out?
16:50 OldCoder The purpose is to be able to work in peace
16:50 OldCoder M13, I am over there
16:50 OldCoder celeron55, checking
16:50 khonkhortisan there's some setting that doesn't let me change my name back to the registered one if I'm on a channel with that setting
16:50 M13 i need invite >:/
16:50 OldCoder M13, You have been reinvited
16:50 VanessaE well we could +m it
16:50 VanessaE then you just need vocie
16:50 VanessaE voice
16:51 VanessaE +r requires identification
16:51 khonkhortisan this channel would be like gameboom
16:51 M13 nope : OldCoder
16:51 M13 make it public
16:51 M13 please
16:51 M13 and give me the ban codes
16:51 OldCoder M13, If we make it public, what do you propose to do about LandMine?
16:51 M13 cmmands*
16:52 M13 Ban
16:52 OldCoder M13, I have talked to somebody about dealing with him permanently
16:52 OldCoder Wait for that please
16:52 Jordach ;)
16:52 M13 ok can you make it public please
16:52 M13 thnx
16:52 OldCoder M13, If we make it public he will come for Keegan
16:52 Keegann whens that
16:52 M13 Jordach
16:52 Jordach yes
16:53 M13 How it your fork going?
16:53 Jordach alright
16:53 OldCoder And frankly I have spent two days on this already and I have real work to do
16:53 Jordach like your distro
16:53 Jordach and finding a job
16:53 OldCoder Jordach, my distro? It is background
16:53 M13 Mine?
16:53 OldCoder yes
16:53 M13 o Minetest-M13
16:53 OldCoder No
16:53 Jordach OldCoder - try working for google
16:53 OldCoder I live down the street from them :-)
16:53 VanessaE "'/mode +q $~a' can be used to prevent unregistered users from speaking in channel while allowing them to join (old +R behaviour)."
16:54 VanessaE celeron55: maybe that's what you want
16:54 Jordach why dont you then
16:54 OldCoder Jordach, there are other matters presently
16:54 OldCoder The LandMine issue is taking up too much of my time
16:54 khonkhortisan bzflag's official match servers let you join but not talk
16:54 celeron55 VanessaE: might work; maybe set that when landmine comes again
16:54 VanessaE ok
16:54 Jordach yes - online life is NOT REAL LIFE
16:54 OldCoder Jordach, Indeed
16:55 OldCoder As I said earlier, you seem very sensible
16:55 khonkhortisan online time takes real time
16:55 OldCoder khonkhortisan, Indeed also
16:55 OldCoder The one affects the other
16:55 OldCoder Because people are in both. And people are real.
16:55 OldCoder The matter needs to be brought to a conclusion.
16:55 OldCoder Identify LandMine.
16:55 OldCoder I will do the rest.
16:55 Jordach i have a balance between life and computing.
16:55 VanessaE OldCoder:  who's going to clean the blood off the floor?
16:55 VanessaE ;)
16:56 * Jordach gets the mop ready
16:56 OldCoder VanessaE, I will simply talk to his school
16:56 OldCoder As he is apparently younger than I thought
16:56 OldCoder I can be remarkably persuasive on the phone
16:56 OldCoder Very
16:56 OldCoder Actually
16:57 OldCoder Obtain his identity.
16:58 M13 OldCoder ius it Public?
16:58 M13 nope
16:58 OldCoder M13, You are not paying attention. LM cannot be allowed in. You did not observe last night.
16:58 M13 im going to work on the next update for Minetest-M13
16:58 OldCoder M13, I have reinvited you. Are you not able to enter?
16:59 OldCoder Try again now please
16:59 M13 ok
16:59 M13 can I be Channel Owner?
16:59 M13 im in
16:59 OldCoder M13 When the LandMine issue is settled, probably
16:59 OldCoder Psychiatric care needs to be arranged first
17:00 khonkhortisan and we all know step number one.
17:00 OldCoder VanessaE, Last night it went much farther than the things he's said to you.
17:00 M13 ok
17:00 M13 <OldCoder> M13 When the LandMine issue is settled, probably : 0k
17:01 VanessaE oh?
17:02 VanessaE pastebin, I gotta see this
17:02 khonkhortisan or log if it's there
17:02 OldCoder VanessaE, I have everything
17:02 OldCoder Identify LM and I'll prepare a PDF
17:02 OldCoder It goes to his school, his parents, and county people in his area
17:03 OldCoder Also to all of his real-life friends
17:03 OldCoder If that doesn't bring him into line
17:03 OldCoder There are other measures. They are perfectly legal.
17:03 OldCoder
17:03 VanessaE I still wanna see it :)
17:03 OldCoder VanessaE, I am offering it as incentive.
17:03 OldCoder One person here believes they can land his identity.
17:04 OldCoder I probably can too but I am out of practice.
17:04 OldCoder Right now I need to talk to friends I've neglected over this matter.
17:04 M13 OldCoder
17:04 OldCoder What now?
17:04 OldCoder I am in the other channel?
17:04 M13 go to minetest-m13
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17:07 jordach-tab oldcoder, could you send me a copy :-)
17:07 OldCoder PM
17:08 OldCoder
17:09 OldCoder VanessaE, Jordach others: There are some things in the log that should be redacted. Land LandMine and there will be a LandMine page that will document everything. Some of the material should not be reproduced to protect somebody else.
17:09 OldCoder
17:10 jordach-tab why not bar the persons name?
17:10 OldCoder Jordach, PM please
17:10 VanessaE never redact
17:10 OldCoder VanessaE, in this case yes
17:10 VanessaE this isn't a government document
17:10 VanessaE spill it all
17:10 OldCoder VanessaE, I didn't say it was
17:10 OldCoder No.
17:10 OldCoder
17:14 M13 OldCoder are you Working out LM
17:14 OldCoder M13, Yes
17:15 Keegann hopefully
17:15 OldCoder I also have real-life business
17:15 M13 ok
17:15 OldCoder Keegann, leave the other channel or I swear I'll phone your parents
17:15 Keegann NO
17:15 M13 what Channel
17:16 Keegann ur first one
17:16 OldCoder He is waiting to fight with LM again
17:16 OldCoder As though the other one will care
17:16 OldCoder M13, verify you have lost op on that channel
17:16 M13 wow
17:17 OldCoder One moment
17:17 OldCoder /msg ChanServ op #minetest-m13 M13
17:17 OldCoder Can I assume that no longer works?
17:18 Calinou http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=41621#p41621
17:18 Calinou ubuntu user spotted
17:18 khonkhortisan So if there was a plane of insulated mesecons travelling into infinity, and you placed one, they would all cross until you were carrying no more insulated mesecons.
17:18 Calinou :)
17:18 M13 no[e UbuntuNerd is OP for that Channel
17:18 M13 nope
17:19 M13 but LM isnt overthere OldCoder
17:19 Calinou <celeron55> we could set this channel "registered users only"
17:19 Calinou heck no
17:19 OldCoder M13, Keegan expects to wait all day for him
17:19 Calinou if you do that, this channel will forever be quiet
17:19 Calinou you can do this for -delta and/or -dev, that'd be ok though
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17:20 Keegann kick him
17:20 VanessaE so if people want to talk here they can register
17:20 khonkhortisan then where do they get help registering?
17:20 VanessaE if the above were put into place anyway
17:21 VanessaE khonkhortisan: /msg nickserv help register
17:21 VanessaE or search the web
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17:27 OldCoder OWNSyouAll, Keegan?
17:27 OldCoder No
17:27 Keegann no
17:27 Keegann its lm
17:27 VanessaE is it?
17:27 OldCoder Might be
17:27 Keegann im pretty sure
17:27 OldCoder IP address is apparently Michigan
17:28 M13 yep
17:28 Keegann not me
17:28 khonkhortisan The other one was mexico
17:28 OldCoder Hmm
17:28 khonkhortisan xchat has a hard time opening firefox
17:29 OWNSyouAll ?
17:29 Keegann dont speak
17:30 khonkhortisan Your identity is in question. Please wait for the next security guard :P
17:30 VanessaE haha
17:30 M13 Hey OldCoder PM me
17:31 M13 Keegann
17:31 Keegann WHAT?
17:32 M13 can you help me rebuild my server
17:32 M13 i need help
17:32 Keegann how do you make a image for mods
17:32 M13 do you have gimp?
17:32 Keegann yea
17:32 Keegann what server
17:33 M13 30001
17:33 Keegann i cant get on
17:33 M13 ok one sec
17:34 M13 m13.sytes.net Port 30001
17:34 M13 its up
17:37 Keegann still cant join
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17:37 Keegann great now hes this
17:37 M13 weird
17:37 Keegann whos
17:37 Keegann try to unban me
17:38 M13 try this at IP
17:38 M13 71.217.56.221
17:39 Keegann ok
17:39 VanessaE m13.sytes.net:30001 works for me.
17:40 Keegann on gimp how do you make a mod texture
17:41 VanessaE just make an image you like
17:41 VanessaE Create a new image with a size of 16x16 and just start drawing
17:41 VanessaE save it, put the filename into your mod item's tiles= line (or whatever you intend to do with it)
17:46 M13 Vanessa can you help me and Keegan
17:46 VanessaE help how?
17:46 M13 LM ruined my server
17:46 M13 i need help rebuilding
17:46 VanessaE lemme look around
17:46 M13 ok
17:47 M13 Log in as Vanessa and ill give you privs
17:47 VanessaE actually I use VanessaEzekowitz on servers.
17:47 VanessaE there we go
17:48 jordach joined #minetest
17:48 M13 here
17:48 jordach tablet just ran out of charge...
17:49 VanessaE M13: textures on linux is easy.  Download a texture pack.  Place it somewhere say ~/texturepacks/
17:49 VanessaE edit ~/.minetest/minetest.conf to point to it, texture_path = ~/texturepacks/name-of-pack-here
17:49 M13 ?
17:49 M13 o ok
17:49 M13 like minetest 0.3.1
17:49 VanessaE (I never use the textures/all functionality)
17:50 VanessaE I think so, been a while since i used an 0.3.x client
17:50 M13 im on Minetest
17:50 khonkhortisan how do I check if the neighbor node can link if my node can't link?
17:50 VanessaE khonkhortisan: get the node name of the neighbor and check its rules?
17:51 khonkhortisan okay
17:56 Jordach joined #minetest
17:59 Jordach if i keep swapping nick please ignore it; if i lock up then yaaic WILL be used
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18:17 Keegann how do i draw iin gimp
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18:22 M13 ill show you
18:22 Keegann got it now
18:28 M13 cool
18:28 M13 what are the textures for?
18:32 RealBadAngel joined #minetest
18:33 RealBadAngel im back
18:33 VanessaE hey RBA
18:33 iqualfragile joined #minetest
18:35 chaplain gimp++
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18:35 EnimDnal wasssup
18:35 VanessaE GIMP Is Your Friendâ„¢
18:35 OldCoder GIMP is SIMPle
18:36 EnimDnal was kicked by VanessaE: EnimDnal
18:37 VanessaE like we're that stupid.
18:37 iqualfragile wer ist das?
18:37 khonkhortisan so what's more fun, playing minetest, or modding minetest?
18:38 iqualfragile the best part about gimp is the resynthizer-plugins
18:38 iqualfragile khonkohorenatrenitae: hard to decide
18:38 iqualfragile but i think modding is more fun
18:38 khonkhortisan I should use that name khonkohorenatrenitae
18:39 khonkohorenatren aw it's too long
18:39 iqualfragile why? simple: most mods have great functionality (including minetest_game mods) but are not balanced
18:40 iqualfragile so its not as fun to play minetest as it could be
18:41 VanessaE iqualfragile: I make a point of trying to keep my mods balanced for that very reason
18:43 RealBadAngel guten abend freunde
18:43 RealBadAngel was ist los?
18:43 VanessaE eh?
18:43 iqualfragile nichts weiter, bei dir?
18:44 VanessaE non habla Deutsche ;-)
18:44 iqualfragile it would be Deutsch
18:44 RealBadAngel ick auch
18:44 VanessaE chose enough :)
18:44 VanessaE close enough, too
18:44 sfan5 vergesst mih nicht
18:44 sfan5 *mich
18:44 iqualfragile vanessaE: yeah, but some are not
18:45 iqualfragile moreores adds to many ores
18:45 iqualfragile microcontrolers are too easy to craft
18:45 VanessaE iqualfragile: no way, moreores needs more ores :-)
18:45 iqualfragile iron is much too common
18:45 RealBadAngel nein, genug
18:45 VanessaE microcontrollers require a lot of sand and iron to make
18:46 VanessaE 12 sand, 4 iron, ¼ of a mese block, and however much fuel to smelt the iron->steel
18:46 iqualfragile and mininglaser mk1 gives you alot of sand
18:46 RealBadAngel more could be too much, thats what it gives now its alrite
18:47 iqualfragile and the miniglazer uses too less energy and has too many charges
18:47 RealBadAngel not really
18:47 VanessaE the amount of stuff needed to make an object is at least as important as the difficulty of gathering that stuff
18:47 RealBadAngel compare 2 lasers charged and 2 mese picks
18:48 RealBadAngel you got almost the same
18:48 RealBadAngel but the effect when youre minining is different'
18:49 iqualfragile thats the point
18:49 RealBadAngel fun is powered
18:49 iqualfragile you can just dig out gigantic holes in secnds
18:49 RealBadAngel effect is the same
18:51 RealBadAngel really, in the long run laser is not overpowered
18:51 RealBadAngel at least MK1
18:51 iqualfragile ^^
18:51 iqualfragile im changing most of those things localy for my server anyways
18:52 RealBadAngel iqualfragile, you made your 1st merge
18:52 VanessaE perhaps the laser should be slowed down a little
18:52 khonkhortisan sí sprechen les engelsk
18:52 RealBadAngel would you like to become "technican"/
18:52 RealBadAngel ?
18:53 VanessaE (a real one after all still needs time to cut through its target)
18:54 RealBadAngel i mean, i would love to have more folks involved in the project
18:54 iqualfragile hmm… i might think about it
18:54 iqualfragile but at the moment i dont rly have spare time
18:55 VanessaE Hah, now landmine alias enimdnal is messaging me asking why he was banned, claims how he doesn't troll, etc.  Just how stupid does he think I am?
18:55 khonkhortisan oh I didn't get that it was backwards
18:55 RealBadAngel iqualfragile, take ur time. ure welcome
18:56 khonkhorsitan whoops
18:56 VanessaE make up our minds :)
18:57 RealBadAngel now im goint to take a nap
18:57 RealBadAngel be back later
18:57 VanessaE noooooo
18:57 RealBadAngel im tired
18:57 VanessaE lazy ;)
18:57 RealBadAngel nah
18:57 VanessaE ok, cya
18:57 RealBadAngel tired
18:57 RealBadAngel reallly
18:58 iqualfragile gute nacht, freunde, es ist zeit für dich zu gehen
18:58 RealBadAngel i was makin electro installation at my friends new house
18:59 RealBadAngel wirklich
18:59 iqualfragile im sitting in front of my pc, figuring out fai while bridging the waiting-times by watching the big bang thory
18:59 iqualfragile s/thory/theory
18:59 iqualfragile it slowly stops being fun
19:01 RealBadAngel clickin can become boring
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19:02 RealBadAngel coding? never
19:02 RealBadAngel coding is act of creation
19:02 RealBadAngel and thats is never even a bit close to boredom
19:03 VanessaE ssshhhhhh
19:03 OldCoder <RealBadAngel> coding is act of creation
19:03 OldCoder Indeed
19:03 VanessaE celeron55 claims right of creation around here :DS
19:03 VanessaE :D
19:03 thexyz any decent flowers mod?
19:04 VanessaE mine of course :D
19:04 khonkhortisan وأود أن لا تكون قادرة على رسم الأحرف لهذه اللغة
19:04 VanessaE wtf?
19:04 khonkhortisan arabic
19:04 VanessaE yes I know
19:05 VanessaE what's it say?
19:05 RealBadAngel some arabic said im rite
19:05 thexyz how about dyes integration?
19:05 RealBadAngel ;)
19:05 khonkhortisan I wouldn't be able to draw the characters of this language
19:05 khonkhortisan but I run it through again and it tries to correct its own spelling
19:06 VanessaE thexyz: afaik, my unified dyes is the only way to craft dyes that can be used with the in-game dyes mod.
19:06 thexyz um..
19:07 thexyz does your mod add new dyes or only provide recipes for flowers?
19:07 VanessaE both.
19:07 thexyz well, the problem is that i need mod that only does the second thing
19:07 VanessaE flowers -> my dyes -> dozens of colors, some of which directly translate to in-game dye colors
19:08 VanessaE so if you use the in-game dyes' groups, mine will work too.
19:09 thexyz what if i don't need "dozens of colors"? just want to make flowers converted to default dyes somehow
19:09 khonkhortisan it's nice when mods are compatible with each other
19:09 VanessaE then don't use dozens of colors?
19:09 VanessaE the flowers only convert to 6 base colors
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19:09 RealBadAngel im going AFK, be back later
19:10 RealBadAngel need some sleep
19:10 VanessaE use those to craft the ..what was it, 12?  colors the default mod supports.
19:10 thexyz 17
19:10 VanessaE right, 17 then
19:10 khonkhortisan including grayscale
19:11 VanessaE but once you make those, you don't have to make any others - just use them directly.
19:11 VanessaE mine just adds crafting recipes for the remaining 72 colors in the palette, and you can ignore those because they're entirely self-contained.
19:11 VanessaE (they don't overlap or interfere with anything)
19:11 khonkhortisan except defining more things
19:11 khonkhortisan and filling up the texture atlas
19:12 thexyz i guess i can make any dye from dye.excolors by mixing some dyes from dye.basecolors
19:12 thexyz am i right?
19:12 VanessaE thexyz: right
19:12 thexyz oh, nice
19:12 VanessaE or from the unicolors section
19:13 VanessaE so if for example you make blue and yellow dyes from geraniums and yellow dandelions with my mod, you can use them directly as basecolors, or mix the two dyes to get green, also a base color
19:15 VanessaE as long as your crafting recipe uses the group matching the color you want, both dye systems will work :)
19:21 VanessaE I just wish celeron55 would add flowers, jungle grass, and jungle trees mods to minetest_game.
19:22 VanessaE fewer dependencies for my other mods :D
19:26 OWNSyouAll i just like that it has a nyancat block by default
19:26 khonkhortisan I'd expect jungletrees to get in faster than flowers, because they have already been in
19:27 VanessaE khonkhortisan: maybe
19:27 VanessaE same should hold for jungle grass.  anyway, jungle trees are epic :-)
19:29 khonkhortisan I'm getting nil for the neighbor's rules. I had to write the function myself so it doesn't also check my rules.
19:41 thexyz https://github.com/xyzz/painting
19:43 thexyz lol
19:44 thexyz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minetest This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy.
19:44 thexyz well
19:44 thexyz fuck them
19:49 Kray fucking deletionists
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19:53 iqualfragile is anyone runung the animals-mod?
19:53 NakedFury damn them
19:54 NakedFury copy paste the article then add it as soon as they delete it
19:55 NakedFury then keep doing that until they give up
19:55 sfan5 NakedFury: the admin will ban you if you do that
19:55 NakedFury make a new account and keep trying
19:56 M13 kray
19:56 M13 kray from kray's server
19:56 Kray m13
19:57 M13 kray from kray's server
19:57 Kray m13 from m13's server
19:57 Kray m13 from m13's server
19:57 M13 yes
19:57 M13 are you the owner of Kray's Server
19:58 Kray yes
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20:01 M13_ OldCoder
20:02 OldCoder M13, Hi
20:02 khonkhortisan What if it gets sources again? Will all the content have to be rewritten?
20:06 VanessaE ok everyone get on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Minetest#Minetest
20:06 VanessaE nominate it to be kept.
20:06 VanessaE and provide a really good reason.
20:08 khonkhortisan 18yo deletionist
20:11 OldCoder
20:11 OldCoder Hi
20:11 OldCoder Folks, we have some progress
20:11 OldCoder Please PM me the following:
20:11 VanessaE ?
20:11 OldCoder Chat logs, forum posts, screenshots related to our friend LandMine
20:12 M13 Does anyone have some information on LandMine / Some Bad Things he has done on IRC
20:12 OldCoder There will be news today
20:12 OldCoder
20:12 OldCoder M13 I have it here
20:12 OldCoder Go collect elsewhere
20:12 M13 o ok
20:12 OldCoder Just PM and paste anything you found especially friendly
20:12 OldCoder VanessaE, that includes you and some of the gentle remarks you told me about
20:12 OldCoder
20:12 OldCoder This may be fun
20:12 OldCoder
20:13 OldCoder <------- is about to have some fun
20:13 OldCoder
20:19 VanessaE digging through my logs now.
20:19 M13 ni other channels can help
20:19 M13 no*
20:20 OldCoder If this is a false alarm we're going to ask C55 to proceed with plan B
20:20 M13 ok
20:20 khonkhortisan Vanessa you got a response
20:24 VanessaE OldCoder: http://pastebin.com/4FkDqQ1v
20:24 OldCoder Reviewing
20:24 VanessaE filtered the logs for just his nick in its usual form, plus one comment from the unfiltered version that got missed.
20:24 M13 Thats Gold
20:24 OldCoder Geez
20:24 OldCoder Classy
20:24 OldCoder Thx
20:24 OldCoder
20:24 VanessaE still think he's worth trying to reform? :-)
20:24 M13 OldCoder where done
20:24 OldCoder VanessaE, you have not understood
20:25 OldCoder What I am
20:25 khonkhortisan oh yeah I remember being called a mormon
20:25 OldCoder It is not about reform
20:25 OldCoder
20:25 OldCoder M13, k
20:25 OldCoder Working for an hour or two
20:25 OldCoder VanessaE, if what I have is not right, you will need to support plan B
20:25 VanessaE khonkhortisan: actually it was the cunt part that prompted me to include that one.
20:25 OldCoder Plan B will require C55 support
20:28 celeron55 thexyz: is there any russian articles about minetest?
20:28 celeron55 same goes for Calinou about french, when he appears
20:28 sfan5 Aug 29 2012 23:27:46 <LandMine> got more than 100 ips
20:29 sfan5 well, all ips start with 189.144 or 189.191
20:30 thexyz celeron55: well, there are at least 2 news articles
20:30 celeron55 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Minetest#Minetest
20:30 celeron55 they might help in that
20:31 celeron55 or even probably will help
20:31 thexyz celeron55: though i don't know whether can that be counted as "notable source"
20:31 thexyz celeron55: https://www.linux.org.ru/news/games/6984308 https://www.linux.org.ru/news/games/8027529
20:31 thexyz there is also http://www.lgdb.org/game/minetest_c55
20:31 celeron55 news that says other things than just copies text from my blog and minetest.net is likely to be somewhat better than none
20:32 VanessaE celeron55: please look at -delta.
20:32 OldCoder sfan5, those are VPNs
20:32 celeron55 VanessaE: can wat
20:32 celeron55 wat*
20:32 celeron55 +iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
20:32 VanessaE ok, no prob.
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20:34 celeron55 thexyz: is linux.org.ru a bloggish site with one person posting everything and nobody checking anything, or is it more like a news site where more people do it and try to figure out what is actually important?
20:34 VanessaE (I have to admit, that took me a bit to parse ;) )
20:34 celeron55 that is what matters to wikipedia
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20:35 thexyz celeron55: everybody can post news which then should be approved by moderators
20:35 celeron55 apparently linux.org.ru is notable enough to be on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux.org.ru
20:35 celeron55 that might mean it could very well count
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20:42 iqualfragile minetest is in the ubuntu-archives (not shure about debian)
20:42 iqualfragile has this been noted in the article?
20:48 celeron55 added my nomination in there
20:48 celeron55 now if somebody actually added those references to the article itself (i'm too lazy and biased)
20:50 M13 Celeron55: can you make the texture alias of minetest 0.4-DEV20120106 bigger
20:51 iqualfragile an die Deutschsprachigen hier im Raum: last uns mal den Artikel übesetzen. Ich hab nen Piratenpad erstellt und schonmal angefangen: http://piratepad.net/kSVZXljqLF
20:51 celeron55 wat
20:51 celeron55 ^ M13
20:51 M13 Celeron55: can you make the texture alias of minetest 0.4-DEV20120106 bigger
20:51 M13 is it possible
20:51 celeron55 iqualfragile: wtf is that?
20:52 iqualfragile its an etherpad
20:52 M13 and what src code file is it in
20:52 iqualfragile you can edit textfiles synchronously
20:52 celeron55 M13: i guess tile.cpp
20:52 M13 ok
20:52 M13 Ill tell OldCoder thnx
20:52 iqualfragile its the english wikipedia-entery
20:53 OldCoder Hi
20:53 iqualfragile i just asked the people speaking german in here to help me translate
20:53 iqualfragile sfan5 hilf mal
20:58 iqualfragile sfan5 BartoCH cornernote und wer auch immer noch deutsch kann: helft bitte mit http://piratepad.net/kSVZXljqLF dashier auf deutsch zu übersetzen
20:59 BartoCH my Deutsch ist so schlecht, ich mache so viele Fehler.
21:00 BartoCH ich kann nicht zwei korrekten Sätzen machen :(
21:02 iqualfragile ok… schade
21:06 BartoCH ja, es ist nicht mein Muttersprache...
21:10 VanessaE There, I've restored sufficient imagery in the wikipedia article.
21:11 VanessaE and I KNOW they are free images.
21:11 VanessaE "copyright violations" my ass.
21:15 VanessaE anyone else want to chime in on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Minetest#Minetest
21:16 VanessaE needs "keep" votes and damn good reasons accordingly.
21:16 Keegann can you look over my mod http://pastebin.com/SXj6xLh1
21:16 VanessaE tile_images= is deprecated.
21:16 VanessaE use tiles=
21:17 iqualfragile vanessae: judging by the decorations of the window you have given the wrong source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Minetest_creative_mode.png
21:17 VanessaE digprop_xxxx() calls are obsolete and unsupported.
21:17 VanessaE use groups.
21:17 iqualfragile as you have taken the screenshot you are the source/author
21:17 VanessaE I assumed the source was where the image came from
21:18 VanessaE hence I disclaim any authorship of it
21:18 iqualfragile celeron55: could you note that a) we are allowed to use the screenshots/pictures from your website
21:19 iqualfragile and b) we are allowed to use the ingame-screenshots we make?
21:19 celeron55 eh
21:19 VanessaE it's already cc-by-sa/30 anyway
21:19 VanessaE er cc-by-sa-3.0
21:20 celeron55 isn't the first one fair use, and the latter one obviously is true because the software is under LGPL = any use, and the images are CC BY-SA = any use if credited (and some is WTFPL)
21:20 VanessaE From the readme:  "This applies to textures and sounds contained in the main Minetest distribution. Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported (CC BY-SA 3.0)"
21:21 celeron55 yes, it does not include media that has less rights than that
21:21 iqualfragile allrigt, then add that to the images on wikipedia
21:21 VanessaE not that you give a shit if someone re-uses the screenshot :-)
21:21 celeron55 i don't give a shit about anything
21:21 celeron55 it's the contributors that may give
21:21 iqualfragile celeron55: its fair use, but wikipedia likes clear statements
21:23 celeron55 it's unhandy for me to write that anywhere when it'd be just fine anyway
21:25 celeron55 apparently you'd have to spend money for advertisements to get on wikipedia
21:25 celeron55 silly american world
21:26 VanessaE yep
21:26 celeron55 nothing can be credible if it's not backed by $$$
21:27 VanessaE makes me quite ashamed to be american.
21:28 Jordach are still on about wiki licensing?
21:31 VanessaE same old bullshit, different day :-/
21:31 celeron55 that's how the world works
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21:33 Jordach celeron55, seems we have the same plan, VanessaE, it's life...deal with it.
21:34 VanessaE Keegann: also, your use of nested quotes in craft recipes is somewhat outdated (just put one set of quotes around each item in the recipe).  Also, re-check your typing, "defaultcoal_lump" is not a valid item name.
21:35 celeron55 some day i need to figure out a project that involves lots of green pieces of paper and nearly zero work
21:36 VanessaE celeron55: venture capitalist? ;)
21:37 celeron55 maybe i'll borrow money for a house, spend it all on some crazy startup, lose everything and then get involved in organized crime to get moniez
21:37 Jordach celeron55 - if you want green paper, recycle
21:38 VanessaE oh this is funny -- "When you go back and watch Mitt Romney...  I mean, after seeing Michelle Obama speak, and Bill [Clinton] speak, and the President speak, it's like watching an armless man paint with his ass." -- Bill Maher
21:39 VanessaE I've never heard a political candidate referred to quite in that manner before :D
21:39 Jordach VanessaE, lol politics
21:39 celeron55 politics is fun; it's like reality tv except that it actually deals with reality
21:40 VanessaE hey, at least US politics is funnier than WP politics once the comedians get into it :)
21:41 Jordach celeron55, unless you live in England, the conservartives are essentially wanting moniez like those fat-ass bankers.
21:42 celeron55 it's silly how much money politicians are given and then they are somehow expected to think about the normal people
21:43 Jordach VanessaE. http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=41674#p41674 and http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=41692#p41692 asking for mod/admin not gunna happen ere
21:43 celeron55 they'll invest half of it and then they'll just try to make their investments work better 8))))))
21:43 NakedFury they should work for minimal wage
21:43 Jordach like $6 an hour
21:43 NakedFury the minimum
21:43 celeron55 no? a bit above average would work just fine
21:43 NakedFury then you will see politics full of people that care
21:43 Jordach or nhothing
21:43 Jordach nothing
21:43 celeron55 now they're like at least double, more like triple the average in finland at least
21:43 NakedFury and dont pay the president so much dammit
21:44 Jordach if the world automates, then programmers will end up making more money, because there are no people who can code and control them
21:44 Jordach (the machines that run the world)
21:50 celeron55 the day the machines are the programmers will be interesting
21:50 Jordach o.o
21:50 * OldCoder will be back in an hour
21:50 Jordach lol skynet
21:50 OldCoder Jordach, PM please
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21:55 Mallot1 was minetest made in Dev-C++ and OpenGL?
21:55 VanessaE C++, with Irrlicht as the 3d engine.
21:56 * OldCoder is collecting LM information. PM anything you wish.
21:57 VanessaE anyone feel like making a photorealistic nyan cat for my texture pack? :-)
21:57 VanessaE (ignoring for the moment how much of a contradiction in terms that is)
21:57 Mallot1 ?
21:58 Jordach VanessaE, no.
21:58 Mallot1 no
21:58 VanessaE fine :)
21:58 khonkhortisan I wouldn't know where to start
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22:10 iqualfragile can a debian-user pm me his /etc/apt/sources.list ?
22:11 Mallot1 hello anyone know how to make minetest based games
22:12 Mallot1 in Dev-C++ and Opengl?
22:12 iqualfragile use google
22:12 iqualfragile use your brain
22:12 iqualfragile then ask again if you still have to ask
22:13 iqualfragile wich ich quite unlikely to happen
22:17 MiJyn Mallot1, try using GLFW
22:17 Keegan joined #minetest
22:18 Mallot1 what does that stand for?
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22:18 NekoGloop meow
22:18 MiJyn GL FrameWork, I guess
22:18 MiJyn it lets you have Mouse+Keyboard+Joystick+Window cross-platform
22:18 VanessaE hi Neko
22:18 MiJyn I use it :)
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22:23 MiJyn bll
22:23 MiJyn *bbl
22:23 khonkhortisan Bye Later alL
22:24 M13 is OldCoder here
22:24 MiJyn Lol
22:24 MiJyn yeah
22:24 MiJyn he's on #minetest-m13
22:24 M13 is he talking
22:24 MiJyn but he's AFK
22:24 MiJyn (which will be my state too :P)
22:24 M13 ok
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22:26 M13 Keegan
22:26 Keegann what
22:27 M13 your garage_door has a major  bug
22:27 Keegann wht
22:27 M13 yea
22:27 M13 the others work
22:28 M13 Im posting it
22:28 M13 Keegan come on the Minetest-M13 server
22:28 Jordach m13, i repaired your channel topic
22:29 M13 Repaired?
22:29 M13 #minetest-m13?
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22:29 Keegann hey lndmine
22:29 M13 my Channel is ##minetest-m13
22:29 Jordach yep
22:30 M13 There is nothing wrong with it]
22:30 Jordach i menat the old one
22:30 Keegann M13 invite me to it'
22:30 M13 Jordach do you use Windows XP
22:30 Jordach rioght now yes
22:30 Jordach right
22:31 Jordach here - my current design for minetest-classic api http://pastebin.com/hF1cXzTe
22:31 Keegann M13 invite me to ##minetest-m13
22:32 M13 can you compile my fork of Minetest for Windows (I use Linux)
22:32 M13 Keegann i cant
22:32 M13 only OldCoder can
22:32 Keegann yea arent you an op
22:32 M13 hes AFK
22:33 M13 yea but it wont let me
22:33 Jordach m13 - compiling minetest is horrible on windows
22:33 Keegann try it gain
22:33 Jordach ask thexyz, he can do so with ease
22:33 M13 is he here
22:33 M13 talking?
22:33 VanessaE do you see him talking?
22:34 M13 no
22:34 VanessaE then he isn't. :-)
22:34 M13 |
22:34 M13 .
22:34 M13 |
22:35 Jordach swigh
22:35 Jordach sigh
22:35 Jordach this is why i dislike it here
22:35 Jordach crowded
22:36 NakedFury 3 people are a crowd?
22:36 VanessaE yeah but without the crowd, there's no one to talk to :)
22:36 Jordach im a loner
22:36 Jordach deal with it
22:36 khonkhortisan mesecon:is_conductor(nodename) returns true, then mesecon:conductor_get_rules(nodename) returns nil. I don't get it.
22:37 VanessaE dunno
22:37 VanessaE :)
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22:37 khonkhortisan I print "NIL!" just before minetest crashes for good measure.
22:38 VanessaE haha
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22:39 VanessaE sleep well, RBAA?
22:39 VanessaE 0A
22:39 VanessaE -A -0A
22:39 RealBadAngel not rly
22:39 VanessaE sowwy
22:39 khonkhortisan -A --OA
22:39 RealBadAngel but woke up
22:40 RealBadAngel neeeeeeeeeed a coffee
22:40 RealBadAngel badly
22:40 * VanessaE hands RealBadAngel a Rip-It "Fbomb"
22:40 VanessaE fuck coffee, this stuff will wake you up easier ;)
22:40 RealBadAngel hehhe
22:41 RealBadAngel whats dat?
22:41 VanessaE an energy drink along the lines of Red bull, monster, rock star, etc.
22:41 RealBadAngel holy shit
22:41 Mallot1 a 3d game engine for beginners?
22:41 RealBadAngel i do love and get used to hy heart lol
22:42 Keegann any more channel about minetest?
22:42 RealBadAngel of course
22:42 RealBadAngel minetest on the hour
22:42 Mallot1 yes minetest channel
22:42 RealBadAngel minetest channel 5
22:43 RealBadAngel MTV (minetest tv)
22:43 Keegann what are they call
22:44 RealBadAngel pick it up,we r everywhere
22:44 Keegann what
22:44 Keegann s the channels name
22:44 RealBadAngel mtv
22:45 Keegann no one on there
22:45 M13 Keegan
22:45 Keegann what
22:45 RealBadAngel ur remote is worth shit
22:45 RealBadAngel we are here, all of us
22:45 M13 Im going to Upload the new Version of Minetest-M13 and you and me are going to play on its server
22:46 M13 ok?
22:46 Keegann ok
22:46 RealBadAngel incredible
22:46 RealBadAngel 8 files of code
22:46 RealBadAngel and chicken comes
22:47 * RealBadAngel sings "and thats the power of love.."
22:47 Keegann what server
22:49 M13 Keegan
22:49 M13 Port 30002
22:50 M13 its for the Client
22:50 M13 0.4.3 dont work on it
22:51 Keegann what client
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22:51 M13 Download (Latest) here : http://minetestm13.weebly.com/downloads.html
22:52 M13 if it dont work you'll need to compile it (easy!)
22:52 M13 ask if you need help
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22:53 Keegann which one is iit?
22:54 M13 the 3rd one down
22:54 iqualfragile M13: so: whats so special about your fork?
22:54 Keegann shoot
22:54 Keegann this laptop can barely play mnetest
22:55 M13 read : http://inetestm13.weebly.com
22:55 M13 http://minetestm13.weebly.com
22:55 M13 use Second
22:58 iqualfragile well… i did, before i asked
22:58 iqualfragile still: whats so special about it?
23:03 M13 well its "going" to be less resource hungry and its going to have more items and stuff as the Fork Move Forward
23:03 M13 its a Hobby to me
23:08 RealBadAngel ehhhh
23:08 RealBadAngel sometimes to laugh is even too hard way even
23:09 RealBadAngel iqualfragile, tested the patch?
23:10 iqualfragile you mean the patch i send you?
23:10 RealBadAngel yes
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23:29 _2cool4me4_ hola!
23:32 Jordach night all
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23:49 Keegann hey octu
23:49 Octupus hey'
23:52 _2cool4me4_ oops, ripple carry goes the other way...
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