IRC log for #minetest, 2012-09-07

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Time	Nick	Message
00:00	Keegann	why are you guys so meaan
00:01	NekoGloop	because u griefer?
00:01	Keegann	how am i griefer
00:01	Keegann	havent grief in a month
00:01	NekoGloop	heh
00:02	NekoGloop	need i remind you that old habits dont go away?
00:02	Keegann	i know like trolling too right?
00:02	NekoGloop	yes, so do us all a favor and go away.
00:02	OldCoder	NekoGloop, give him a chance to behave here
00:03	Keegann	cant sorry
00:03	OldCoder	He has slipped up elsewhere
00:03	OldCoder	And will need to answer for that
00:03	Keegann	anwser for what
00:03	Keegann	i thougt u were gonna
00:03	OldCoder	For your small lapse elsewhere
00:03	Keegann	gone*
00:03	OldCoder	I took a break
00:03	OldCoder	I need small breaks; it is medical
00:04	OldCoder	When you get old you will understand
00:04	OldCoder	Life isn't always fun
00:04	OldCoder	Fun is now
00:04	Keegann	im never gonna get old
00:04	OldCoder	So have fun and stop attacking people
00:04	OldCoder	Oh?
00:04	OldCoder	No Old?
00:04	NekoGloop	he doesnt wanna be like you ;)
00:04	Keegann	it is fun
00:05	OldCoder	NekoGloop, O.K.
00:06	Keegann	so tell hi to unban me
00:07	NekoGloop	i guess my sword that repairs itself when you hit water with it is an idea unreachable at this point ;)
00:07	* VanessaE	isback
00:07	Keegann	oh no
00:08	NekoGloop	is 65535 wear == new tool?
00:08	NekoGloop	or is it a dead, used up one?
00:08	Uberi|MC	NekoGloop: neat idea!
00:09	Uberi|MC	NekoGloop: dead
00:09	Uberi|MC	it's the wear, not the dura
00:09	Keegann	hey VanessaE
00:09	VanessaE	hi
00:09	Uberi|MC	o/ VanessaE
00:09	Uberi|MC	did I miss something while at dinner? :P
00:09	OldCoder	Keegann, tell the other channel? Why would they agree?
00:09	Keegann	what other channel
00:09	OldCoder	Keegann, you should apologize to them
00:10	Keegann	whta other CHANNEL
00:10	OldCoder	Keegann, actually any of the two or three you attacked in the last 24 hours
00:10	Keegann	this one?
00:11	Keegann	on minecraft i cant get on and the other is the same problem
00:11	Uberi	maybe you were banned?
00:12	Keegann	what?
00:12	Uberi	from the channels in question
00:14	Keegann	yes im all ban besides this one
00:14	Uberi	well then that's why you can't join
00:14	Keegann	no shit
00:15	Keegann	werid i havent notice that *sarcastic*
00:15	Uberi	there is no need to be snippy
00:17	cy1	what is the range of perlin:get2d(...) ? I thought it was -1 to 1, but it seems to go from 0 to... a little bit above 1?
00:17	Uberi	one momen
00:17	Uberi	t
00:18	Uberi	it's a guassian distribution
00:18	cy1	I'm pretty sure it's bounded...
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00:18	OldCoder	Keegann, they are not actually very happy
00:18	OldCoder	They are sort of pissed
00:19	OldCoder	Your name
00:19	OldCoder	is the curse of death right now
00:19	OldCoder	You took down Octupus
00:19	Uberi	no, a gaussian distrib is unbounded
00:19	cy1	haha wow
00:19	cy1	Keegann is internet famous
00:19	Uberi	it can go to potentially infinity
00:20	Uberi	in practice this is too rare to care about
00:20	cy1	Uberi: perlin isn't gaussian though
00:20	Uberi	one moment
00:20	cy1	it's like... interpolated between two random values at different coordinates.
00:20	cy1	those values being generated by noise2d
00:21	Keegann	yay
00:21	cy1	which is bounded by uh... whatever 0x7fffffff/1073741824 is
00:21	cy1	1.0 - that...?
00:21	Uberi	cy1: that's the definition of a gaussian distribution
00:21	Keegann	hey Bad_Command
00:21	NekoGloop	cy1: a lot
00:21	Uberi	well a normal distrib, anyways
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00:22	Uberi	cy1: anyways it probably wouldn't hurt to just clamp it to -1..1
00:22	cy1	2
00:22	Uberi	eh?
00:22	cy1	0x7fffffff/1073741824 is just about exactly 2.
00:23	Uberi	my calc says 2 as well, yes
00:23	cy1	Uberi: how do you clamp something that could go between negative and positive infinity o.O
00:23	Uberi	cy1: x=x<-1?-1:x>1?1:x
00:23	NekoGloop	by defining infinity, silly :D
00:24	cy1	1073741824 is 0x40000000 in hex. :/ why couldn't they just use hex
00:24	Uberi	that would make too much sense, cy1
00:24	NekoGloop	because cake
00:24	NakedFury	infinity, anything that passes how long I live
00:24	NakedFury	so 101
00:24	Uberi	the sense police would find you
00:24	cy1	haha
00:25	Uberi	according to http://www.shiffman.net/teaching/nature/week-1/, perlin noise is gaussian
00:25	Uberi	seems pretty accurate but can't be sure
00:26	cy1	so noise2d goes from -1 to 1, and since noise2d_gradient is interpolations between multiple noise2d things, it also goes from -1 to 1.
00:26	cy1	Uberi: yeah, but this implementation I mean, it's pretty clearly bounded.
00:26	cy1	noise2d_perlin is a bit trickier though...
00:26	Keegann	Hey LandMine!!
00:26	Uberi	cy1: ah, MT's implementation could be different I guess
00:27	cy1	noise2d_perlin sums up several noise2d_gradient values.
00:27	cy1	one per octave
00:27	cy1	so for 3 octaves it could potentially (but not likely) go from -3 to 3
00:27	LandMine	hi keegann
00:27	cy1	gausiann shaped ofc, since it's summing random numbers
00:28	Uberi	normal distribution, I would assume
00:28	Keegann	cy1 say that thing bout me to Landmine
00:28	cy1	oh, but each iteration becomes smaller, so the first one is -1..1 and the second is -0.7..0.7 and the third 0.7^2 and such.
00:28	cy1	LandMine: Keegann is Internet Famous?
00:28	Keegann	good
00:29	LandMine	he is MT famous.......just like myself lol
00:29	LandMine	im more famous though
00:29	cy1	What I mean is he got banned from Minecraft and took down Octopus in the process.
00:30	Keegann	and ban on wesnoth
00:30	Uberi	that must suck for octopus
00:30	LandMine	lol i never heard of that and i dont care
00:31	LandMine	OK OK EVERYONE STFU!!!! IM SPEAKING TO MY BUDDY Keegann NOW
00:31	Keegann	lol
00:31	LandMine	so the server crashed when i took something out of the chest
00:31	Keegann	yea
00:31	LandMine	did you notice?
00:31	LandMine	good
00:31	LandMine	did you find out how to set the map
00:31	LandMine	auto?
00:31	Keegann	yes
00:33	LandMine	cool
00:33	LandMine	so i can play when ever i want?
00:33	Keegann	auto? what do you mean by that
00:35	LandMine	you were asking how to set the map daily
00:35	LandMine	or something like that
00:35	Keegann	look on redcrab's forum and there is a map of the world
00:35	LandMine	ohh thats what you meant
00:35	LandMine	kk
00:38	Keegann	um akward silence
00:38	MiJyn	yeh
00:39	NekoGloop	yup
00:41	cy1	YOU MANIACS
00:41	cy1	YOU BLEW IT UP
00:41	cy1	AH GOD DAMN YOU
00:41	cy1	DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL
00:41	Keegann	me?
00:41	Uberi	not again
00:41	khonkhortisan	you already said that
00:42	Keegann	boring channel
00:43	LandMine	lol
00:43	LandMine	cy1 blew what up?
00:43	NekoGloop	most everyone here is also doing something else, probably more important than conversing
00:43	cy1	LandMine: Just trying to break the silence.
00:44	VanessaE	AAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!       BJDHSADHFASFWGDFGQDGQADA:DADLALALALALALAAL!!!!
00:44	VanessaE	tension breaker.  had to be done.
00:44	NekoGloop	the landmine exploded, blew everything up ;)
00:44	Keegann	thats cool
00:44	khonkhortisan	WHY DO I HAVE TO REGISTER MY RECEPTORS?!
00:44	khonkhortisan	release of tension.
00:44	NekoGloop	khon: because the cake is a lie
00:44	Uberi	khonkhortisan: BECAUSE THEY ARE A DANGER TO SOCIETY AND MUST BE RESTRICTED
00:44	khonkhortisan	haha
00:44	Keegann	uh
00:45	Uberi	imagine a country where everyone could just carry their receptors everywhere they went
00:45	Keegann	nah
00:45	Uberi	receptor crimes would skyrocket overnight
00:45	Keegann	doubt it
00:45	khonkhortisan	you'd have unexpected high wires
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00:46	Keegann	hey Ubuntu
00:46	Uberi	any crazy idiot could lay their hands on a receptor and who knows what they could do with it
00:46	UbuntuNerd	Keegan
00:46	Keegann	watm
00:46	khonkhortisan	overheat all the chips in the world
00:46	Uberi	o/ UbuntuNerd
00:46	VanessaE	Uberi: next thing you know people will be building nuclear weapons with the,m
00:47	Uberi	crazy, eh?
00:47	VanessaE	yup
00:47	UbuntuNerd	I Make My First Fork (Real Fork!!)
00:47	VanessaE	and all because khonkhortisan wanted to add a mesecon without registering it.
00:47	Uberi	/giveme mesecons_nuke:nuke
00:47	Uberi	if the doomsday clock every gets to midnight I'm blaming khonkhortisan
00:48	UbuntuNerd	Does Most People that Play Minetest use Linux?
00:48	Uberi	UbuntuNerd: considering the windows build download stats, I'd say no
00:48	khonkhortisan	the wire works just fine with a single node and metadata, until you try to stack them
00:48	Uberi	(vs the clone count, that is)
00:48	NekoGloop	You Need To Stop Talking Like This You Homestuck
00:48	Keegann	UbubtuNerd guess how many times i got ban from channels
00:48	Uberi	khonkhortisan: don't stack them? :P
00:48	* khonkhortisan	uses opensuse linux 12.1 x86_64
00:48	UbuntuNerd	well i edited the c++ code and it compiled and Worked!!
00:48	Uberi	neat, UbuntuNerd
00:49	khonkhortisan	that's the whole point of having crossing wires, that you can put them in a grid with µcs sprinkled in it
00:49	UbuntuNerd	now many?
00:49	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: I look forward to your release of it
00:49	khonkhortisan	I'll release it with an example world
00:49	UbuntuNerd	check it out  http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=39456#p39456
00:49	Uberi	khonkhortisan: what's a ?cs
00:49	khonkhortisan	(my keyboard again)
00:49	khonkhortisan	µc = microcontroller
00:49	Uberi	ah
00:50	khonkhortisan	compose + m + u = µ
00:50	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: of course I mean the version without that race condition you had ;-)
00:50	khonkhortisan	which race condition did I have?
00:50	Uberi	khonkhortisan: why is metadata needed?
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00:50	khonkhortisan	I was using metadata instead of separate nodes to store which ports were on
00:51	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: you said something abo....oh ok
00:51	UbuntuNerd	Vanessa : I Used Minetest 0.4 20120106
00:51	VanessaE	so it works properly now?
00:51	UbuntuNerd	Lolz
00:51	VanessaE	UbuntuNerd: outdated :-/
00:51	Uberi	UbuntuNerd: hey what are these performance fixes you made? do they change anything user-visible?
00:51	khonkhortisan	microcontrollers require receptors to be registered, so I have to do that for it to work
00:52	UbuntuNerd	OOoo no Minetest 0.4-DEV 20120106_1 Runs a LOT like Minetest 0.3.1 thats why i said that
00:52	VanessaE	UbuntuNerd: 0.4.3 is about 25% faster than 0.4.2.
00:52	Uberi	oh it seems that you modified the default mod
00:52	NekoGloop	ubuntunerd: quick grammar lesson: capitilize only names and the first word in a sentence.
00:53	LandMine_	well 4.3 comes with all kinds of useless additions, like those containers wtf is that shit
00:53	Uberi	any changes to C++? if they fix bugs it would be better to get them in upstream
00:53	Uberi	LandMine_: vessels?
00:53	VanessaE	0.4.3 damn it
00:53	Uberi	seems like something for potions
00:53	UbuntuNerd	Sorry i like the shift key
00:53	VanessaE	with. a. leading. ZERO.
00:53	Uberi	and. an. extra. period.
00:53	LandMine_	yeah vessels
00:53	LandMine_	useles as hell
00:53	UbuntuNerd	Y does Minetest 0.4.3 Run Faster?
00:53	VanessaE	those vessels are my invention.  and I think they'll be useful in the future.
00:54	Uberi	I. put. some. extra. ones. in. there. in. case. you. didn't. have. any
00:54	VanessaE	UbuntuNerd: celeron55 re-organized some of the rendering code, I don't know all of the details.
00:54	LandMine_	0= the amount of fucks i give vanessae
00:54	LandMine_	and i can say 4.3
00:54	Uberi	rendering code reduced texture switching, apparently
00:54	LandMine_	who made you boss?
00:54	VanessaE	yes
00:54	khonkhortisan	it seems like the fog is further away than the seeable blocks
00:54	Uberi	I remember doing that with my opengl programs
00:54	UbuntuNerd	o ok I thought it was a memory leak
00:54	Uberi	such a pain
00:55	NekoGloop	landmine_: its a base thing, lets other modders have more to work with. By being in the default game, it allows less dependencies that require people to download more things.
00:55	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: yeah, always been that way, kind of irritating but not too big a deal.
00:55	NekoGloop	Uberi: please guide me through how to fix opengl.
00:55	khonkhortisan	So, yeah. I, have. Commas, periods. As, much. As, you. Want, really.
00:55	UbuntuNerd	Is there any whey to run Windows programs on Linux (except Wine!)
00:55	VanessaE	UbuntuNerd: wine or a virtual machine.
00:55	VanessaE	no other way.
00:56	khonkhortisan	virtualbox with a legal copy of windows
00:56	Uberi	NekoGloop: fix opengl?
00:56	UbuntuNerd	I have VM box
00:56	LandMine_	he said excpet wine vanessae
00:56	khonkhortisan	"bash: bin/minetest.exe: cannot execute binary file"
00:56	LandMine_	read please
00:56	UbuntuNerd	I use Windows XP Black
00:56	Uberi	UbuntuNerd: crossover is WINE based but works better for some things
00:56	VanessaE	LandMine_: put a sock in it.
00:56	UbuntuNerd	Costs
00:56	UbuntuNerd	<VanessaE> LandMine_: put a sock in it.     Lolz
00:57	NekoGloop	uberi: i no want inventory image glitches
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00:57	UbuntuNerd	O.O why are my blocks in my inventory black??
00:57	Uberi	NekoGloop: driver issue, probably
00:57	NekoGloop	er...
00:58	Uberi	UbuntuNerd: don't be racist against blocks
00:58	UbuntuNerd	Lolz
00:58	UbuntuNerd	sorry
00:58	NekoGloop	ima try to use direct3c
00:58	NekoGloop	3d*
00:58	VanessaE	UbuntuNerd: it's a known bug, seems to hit people somewhat randomly
00:58	NekoGloop	texture atlas?
00:58	Uberi	turn off tex atlas
00:58	VanessaE	dunno
00:58	NekoGloop	try exit to menu and restart
00:58	UbuntuNerd	Well its Minetest 0.4.1 Soooo
00:58	Uberi	it gives me issues too
00:58	khonkhortisan	how do you turn off the atlas?
00:58	LandMine_	maybe you should find a fix for that, and stop making useless vessel mods
00:59	Uberi	enable_texture_atlas option
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00:59	UbuntuNerd	Keegan
00:59	NekoGloop	khon: config file: enable_texture_atlas=false
00:59	Keegann	what
00:59	VanessaE	LandMine_: don't like it?  complain to celeron55.  He thought it was useful.
00:59	UbuntuNerd	Try my Fork
00:59	UbuntuNerd	link   http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=39456#p39456
00:59	NekoGloop	what's in it, ubuntunerd?
00:59	Uberi	LandMine_: perhaps you should take a stab at it yourself rather than ripping on other people's work?
01:00	VanessaE	UbuntuNerd: your fork won't work with any other servers than those with protocol v10.
01:00	VanessaE	and no one runs that version anymore afaik.
01:00	Keegann	Uberi shut up
01:00	UbuntuNerd	I have a Server for is Vanessa
01:00	Uberi	Keegann: hmm?
01:00	NekoGloop	ah it's less resource-hungry
01:00	NekoGloop	now fix 0.4.3
01:00	NekoGloop	:D
01:00	khonkhortisan	even without the texture atlas I still get item image corruption in my inventory from restarting the server without restarting the client
01:00	Uberi	I was not addressing you, Keegann
01:00	Keegann	doesnt matter
01:01	UbuntuNerd	Keegann
01:01	khonkhortisan	Trap Spike Minor has tiled animated torches
01:01	UbuntuNerd	You Gonna try it?
01:01	khonkhortisan	white block has tiled wool
01:01	Uberi	in that case, carry on, Keegann
01:01	Keegann	not right now
01:01	khonkhortisan	cactus is lava
01:01	Uberi	khonkhortisan: version?
01:01	khonkhortisan	latest.
01:01	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: certainly not the first time I've seen that happen too...  wonder why
01:02	LandMine_	why yo made Uberi?
01:02	LandMine_	mad**
01:02	Uberi	I am not mad, LandMine_, I'm simply stating a fact
01:02	Uberi	I don't have anything against you, I just found that statement rather rude
01:03	khonkhortisan	Singleplayer, [ Play, Escape, Exit to Menu ] <-- repeat about three times without quitting your client
01:03	LandMine_	so? i never said i was the creator have i? i always say its passed on from MC so stfu lol
01:03	Keegann	i founf your statement is rude
01:03	Uberi	khonkhortisan: that's always given me memory leaks
01:03	khonkhortisan	I think it's reaching the memory limit and corrupting before it has a chance to go to swap
01:04	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: for me, one run is all I get.  Start, play, exit to OS.  Repeat as needed.
01:04	Uberi	LandMine_: I believe we are not talking about the same thing
01:04	VanessaE	(because of the huge textures I use)
01:04	LandMine_	what are you talking about?
01:04	khonkhortisan	not what both of you are talking about
01:04	khonkhortisan	blinky plant now has leaves
01:05	NekoGloop	are the textures being updated?
01:05	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: yeah, I just added that today.
01:05	NekoGloop	or are we just randomly saying things? ;)
01:05	Uberi	neat
01:05	UbuntuNerd	Try my Server  for my Fork Guyz please!!   IP and Port is in the Fork  http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=39456#p39456
01:06	LandMine_	uberi what are you talking about then you pickle kisser?
01:06	Keegann	lol
01:06	Uberi	LandMine_: "(9:06:11 PM) LandMine_: uberi what are you talking about then you pickle kisser?" <= I'm pretty sure this was intended to be derogatory
01:06	NekoGloop	lol
01:08	LandMine_	guess not even you know what your talking about
01:08	LandMine_	so neeeext
01:08	Uberi	I'm sorry you couldn't understand that, I suppose
01:09	Uberi	g'night everyone!
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01:09	NekoGloop	heh
01:11	LandMine_	VannesaE you have been on here too long, mayb its time to go to the kitchen hun :)
01:11	Keegann	>:-)
01:14	khonkhortisan	So I have logic to make the signal go through the crossed wire without turning, but it breaks if I turn A on, then B on, then A off. I had to loop through my logic a second time to catch the signal changing direction.
01:14	OldCoder	?
01:14	khonkhortisan	¿
01:15	NekoGloop	lol
01:15	Keegann	₩¥§'
01:16	khonkhortisan	aw, now it crashes with two. Must be changing the output too many times.
01:17	NekoGloop	lævatain
01:17	NekoGloop	â–‘lâ–‘oâ–‘lâ–‘
01:17	khonkhortisan	the brightness character
01:17	Keegann	.»-
01:17	khonkhortisan	aah!
01:17	NekoGloop	?
01:17	khonkhortisan	I get rectangles with that one
01:18	NekoGloop	I used the light shade :D
01:18	khonkhortisan	Keegann, .»-[e415][e402][e417][e40A][e40A]
01:18		ttk2 joined #minetest
01:18	Keegann	
01:19	khonkhortisan	I'm being outdone with the fancy characters
01:19	OldCoder	But they don't say anything
01:19	VanessaE	xchat shows the characters but they look like ass (low-rez compared to my usual font)
01:19	Keegann	425
01:20	Keegann	
01:20	NekoGloop	webchat shows... rectangles
01:20	khonkhortisan	Nyet sprechen ze Español
01:20	VanessaE	hahaha
01:20	Keegann	NO!
01:20	UbuntuNerd	cyah all later (Keegann when is ur server going to be on again?)
01:20	OldCoder	khonkhortisan, you are quadrilingual?
01:20	Keegann	idk
01:20	khonkhortisan	no, just asl and this
01:20	OldCoder	Ah
01:20	NekoGloop	asl lol
01:21	NekoGloop	i know some
01:21	OldCoder	UbuntuNerd, Hello
01:21	khonkhortisan	what?
01:21	khonkhortisan	oh
01:21	UbuntuNerd	Hey
01:21	NekoGloop	like popcorn, and thank you, etc.
01:21	khonkhortisan	sign something to me
01:21	UbuntuNerd	gtg
01:21	OldCoder	\o/
01:21	NekoGloop	lol like i can?
01:21	Keegann	cyah
01:21	Keegann	$)
01:22	VanessaE	popcorn sounds sooo good right now :-/
01:22	Keegann
01:22	NekoGloop	i have a peppermint :P
01:22	khonkhortisan
01:23	OldCoder	( )(   )
01:23	khonkhortisan	everyone here can type an nbsp, no?
01:23	VanessaE	yeah... &nbsp;
01:23	NekoGloop	nope
01:23	VanessaE	;)
01:23	NekoGloop	what is it?
01:23	khonkhortisan	uɐsıʇɹoɥʞuoɥʞ
01:23	VanessaE	otherwise, here.  [ ]
01:24	khonkhortisan	it's just like a space, but word wrap won't split there the same way it won't split the middle of a word
01:24	NekoGloop	nbsp means noob space
01:24	* NekoGloop	flees
01:24	khonkhortisan	non-breaking space character
01:24	Keegann	yea eactly
01:24	NekoGloop	no i'm sure its noob space
01:25	khonkhortisan	there's also combining characters for other languages
01:25	OldCoder	&nbsp;
01:25	khonkhortisan	I could type it if I remembered what level it was on
01:26	khonkhortisan	"18:27:39: ERROR[main]: Access denied. Reason: Too many users." on gameboom
01:27	NekoGloop	lol
01:27	NekoGloop	i think it's full ;)
01:27	khonkhortisan	there were eight people earlier
01:29	khonkhortisan	why is there a mesecon:receptor_off and a mesecon:receptor_on but no mesecon:receptor_set?
01:29	VanessaE	because you haven't coded it yet :D
01:29	NekoGloop	lol
01:30	NekoGloop	it would jsut call the other two functions
01:34	NekoGloop	yay
01:34	NekoGloop	you can now eat a kalite sword by right-clicking
01:34	NekoGloop	oops.
01:34	NekoGloop	well i guess you have a teaser for my next mod then
01:34	khonkhortisan	that should cancel itself out eating a health sword
01:35	NekoGloop	you have to be pointing at something though
01:35	NekoGloop	(a node)
01:36	NekoGloop	unfortunately idk how to fix this
01:36	Keegann	/back
01:36	khonkhortisan	that's because you're throwing it at the node, it bounces up, then you catch it in your mouth. You can't do that trick without something to bounce it off of
01:36	NekoGloop	lol
01:37	NekoGloop	you eat it, and its wear goes down by 1/5
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01:38	khonkhortisan	do you only eat part of it?
01:38	NekoGloop	sure :P
01:38	NekoGloop	this could be a basis for more food
01:40	Keegann	good night
01:48	khonkhortisan	it's still light out
01:49	OldCoder	khonkhortisan, He is in a different TZ
01:49	khonkhortisan	ik
01:49	OldCoder	ki
01:50	Keegann	OldCoder you in my TZ right?
01:51	Keegann	Pitt. PA.
01:51	OldCoder	Keegann, No
01:51	OldCoder	Keegann, You are in Michigan
01:51	OldCoder	Keegann, I am a few hours to your left
01:51	Keegann	you are in PA.
01:51	OldCoder	Nope
01:51	OldCoder	Though I have been to PA
01:52	OldCoder	I wish I could have a Philly Cheesesteak with my uncle just one more time
01:52	khonkhortisan	I haven't gone more than two states away
01:52	OldCoder	khonkhortisan, Travel is not essential in life
01:52	Keegann	i just had a philly cheesesteak tonight for dinner
01:52	OldCoder	Travel of the mind is
01:52	OldCoder	Keegann, Good for you
01:52	Keegann	for my fith ti
01:52	Keegann	e
01:52	Keegann	ti
01:52	Keegann	time
01:55	mrtux	i'm bored
01:55	mrtux	minetest 0.4.3 has some bugs
01:55	mrtux	so i can't play minetest
01:56	LandMine_	stfu mrtux your spamming and im watching cartoons!!
01:56	mrtux	maybe the nightly builds work
01:56	mrtux	...
01:57	mrtux	landmine, just leave me alone, i don't want to start an argument
01:57	LandMine_	OldCoder wazzzup buddy...how did THAT turnout?
01:57	OldCoder	LandMine_, One moment
01:57	OldCoder	LandMine_, I won't know for a while but I am committed now. Started mailing things yesterday.
01:58	OldCoder	The results may be interesting.
01:58	OldCoder	Somebody else has referred to the approach as a tactical nuke.
01:58	NekoGloop	i havent left the county I'm in
01:58	OldCoder	NekoGloop, Do you want to?
01:58	NekoGloop	nope
01:58	NekoGloop	:P
01:59	Keegann	Mountain View, Cali. (OldCoder)
01:59	OldCoder	Yes
01:59	OldCoder	Pacific Time
01:59	mrtux	wow
01:59	NekoGloop	bbl
02:00	mrtux	my server crashed
02:00	mrtux	upgrading to 0.4.3 was a bad idea
02:00	LandMine_	tell it to your face mrtux
02:00	Keegann	lol
02:00	LandMine_	OldCoder hope everything turns out well
02:00	mrtux	why landmine_
02:01	Keegann	i should get to bed now
02:02	OldCoder	LandMine_, Thank you
02:02	OldCoder	Keegann, Think about my questions
02:02	Keegann	nah
02:02	OldCoder	Keegann, The questions you walked out on because you are not sure you will like the answers
02:03	Keegann	have other things on my mind
02:03	OldCoder	Keegann, In life it is good to look at the questions
02:03	OldCoder	And not turn away
02:03	OldCoder	Face them
02:03	OldCoder
02:03	Keegann	have better things on my mind
02:03	OldCoder	If the better things are positive, all right
02:03	LandMine_	lol bye keegann (if your leaving)
02:03	OldCoder	Good night, Keegann
02:03	mrtux	night keegan
02:04	Keegann	dont want to go but i have to wake up at 6:00 AM
02:05	Keegann	and im pretty sure there positive
02:12	VanessaE	ah, back now with fresh popcorn
02:14	* LandMine_	wants popcorn :)
02:21	khonkhortisan	Setup is (switch - wire - cross - wire - switch)
02:21	khonkhortisan	Turn left switch on (on switch - on wire - cross - on wire - switch)
02:21	khonkhortisan	Turn right switch on (on switch - on wire - cross - on wire - on switch)
02:21	khonkhortisan	Turn left switch off (switch - wire - cross - on wire - on switch)
02:21	khonkhortisan	Turn right switch off (switch - wire - cross - wire - switch)
02:21	khonkhortisan	Turn right switch on (switch - on wire - cross - on wire - on switch) See the problem?
02:22	mrtux	VanessaE, PM
02:54	OldCoder	LandMine_, hi; I need to check something. You around?
02:55	LandMine_	yeah
02:55	OldCoder	Thanks; hold on
02:55	LandMine_	ok
02:56	OldCoder	LandMine_, I'll PM and thanks again
03:01	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: yes, I see what you're getting at.  jeija had a similar problem with some mesecon device before
03:01	VanessaE	I think maybe even the delayers
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03:13	ArchZombie	So I've been trying to make a simple mod
03:13	ArchZombie	and I get this:
03:13	ArchZombie	http://pastebin.com/Qjm810P9
03:13	ArchZombie	Can someone tell me what it means?
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03:16	ArchZombie	it happens whenever I get deep
03:16	ArchZombie	And I'm not sure why D:
03:16	LandMine	thats what she said
03:17	ArchZombie	http://pastebin.com/5bRDqzpy
03:17	ArchZombie	Is the relevant stuff, but it looks very similar to the default ones...
03:21	ArchZombie	seems to be a bug in the default "generate ores" but I can't figure it out.
03:21	ArchZombie	Having to do with the low depth...
03:32	khonkhortisan	why are you generating coal?
03:33	ArchZombie	I'm modifying the default.
03:33	ArchZombie	Not really a new mod, just a mod of default.
03:33	ArchZombie	But I'm adding stuff.
03:34	ArchZombie	I wanted to get rid of "mese"
03:34	khonkhortisan	I'd recommend whatever you're adding to not start with default:
03:34	ArchZombie	and replace it with something else.
03:34	ArchZombie	The only issue is that if I set an ore to generate very deep.
03:34	ArchZombie	It crashes.
03:35	ArchZombie	Seems to be a bug with the generate_ores code, I assume because he never had anything generate deeply.
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03:37	ArchZombie	I just want to generate ores deep in the ground D:
03:41	khonkhortisan	the world ends at 30927.2
03:42	khonkhortisan	/teleport singleplayer 30927 0 30927
03:42	khonkhortisan	then look around
03:44	khonkhortisan	I have a two-node cave to the end of the universe
03:46	VanessaE	weird
03:47	VanessaE	the weirdest thing is I can still fly past the edge
03:47	VanessaE	and the coordinates continue to increment normally
03:48	* VanessaE	teleports to 35000,0,35000
03:48	* khonkhortisan	doesn't see you
03:48	khonkhortisan	um, I'm falling slower?
03:49	* VanessaE	teleports even further, 100k,0,100k
03:49	khonkhortisan	must be my memory
03:49	khonkhortisan	(0, 0, 1234568789)
03:49	VanessaE	looks like the coords max out (or minimum out) at -214748.4
03:50	VanessaE	tried to teleport to 999999999,0,999999999
03:50	VanessaE	it took me to -214748
03:50	khonkhortisan	it would be nicer if the world maxed out at the same place as the player
03:51	khonkhortisan	you can fly farther than you can teleport
03:51	VanessaE	*nod*
03:52	khonkhortisan	it won't save me as being past there
03:53	khonkhortisan	does that count as a bug if it can't save my position because I teleported then flew?
03:53	VanessaE	technically I'd say it's a bug that you can teleport or fly past 30926 at all
03:54	VanessaE	since the game can't render the world past that point
03:54	khonkhortisan	are cacti generated like trees?
03:54	ArchZombie	I'm only trying to put it at -512
03:54	ArchZombie	or so
03:54	VanessaE	tdunno
03:54	VanessaE	dunno
03:54	khonkhortisan	look at your bottom coordinate, -31000 y is further than 30927, the end of the world
03:55	ArchZombie	They are all like that.
03:55	ArchZombie	In the default mod
03:55	khonkhortisan	but you're too far away anyway
03:55	ArchZombie	The only thing I changed is is
03:55	ArchZombie	-128 -> -512
03:55	ArchZombie	= crash
03:55	ArchZombie	(well, I also added more ores)
03:55	ArchZombie	but that isn't where it's crashing
03:57	khonkhortisan	it looks like your random is backwards
03:58	ArchZombie	I noticed, but
03:58	VanessaE	ok, time for me to hit the sheets.  Night all
03:58	ArchZombie	That's not my code
03:58	khonkhortisan	/time
03:58	ArchZombie	And it only does it when it's super deep
03:59	VanessaE	time set to 23591
03:59	VanessaE	;)
03:59	khonkhortisan	I haven't figured out time yet
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04:10	UbuntuNerd	hello
04:10	NakedFury	hello
04:10	khonkhortisan	hello
04:11	UbuntuNerd	hey is it possible to make the servers.minetest.ru site show how many players on the servers
04:11	UbuntuNerd	each server*
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04:17	khonkhortisan	turns out my update function for the crossed wire gets called again before it's finished because I'm setting ports one at a time
04:17	khonkhortisan	so I think the first one overwrites what the second one changed.
04:19	ArchZombie	Does anyone know what "minp" is
04:19	ArchZombie	and "maxp"
04:19	khonkhortisan	{x=0, y=0, z=0} and {x=1, y=1, z=1} would be examples of minp and maxp
04:20	khonkhortisan	they are 3d coordinates, ordered from lowest to highest in all three dimensions.
04:21	khonkhortisan	It could be the block, a newly-generated section, or a user-defined volume.
04:24	ArchZombie	so then, it doesn't generate ores past 512?
04:24	ArchZombie	o.O
04:24	ArchZombie	What's past 512? pure lava?
04:24	khonkhortisan	it should be able to, it wouldn't make sense to have a limit there
04:24	ArchZombie	Well it wont it seems.
04:24	ArchZombie	Because that's minp.y
04:25	khonkhortisan	you stole some torches
04:25	ArchZombie	either that or im missing something
04:27	khonkhortisan	it's not happy because -514 < -512
04:27	khonkhortisan	max should be -512 and min should be -514
04:27	ArchZombie	I tried checking it for a reverse of that, but if I flip it around
04:27	ArchZombie	I get "comparison with nil"
04:27	ArchZombie	So it isn't just a flip around
04:28	khonkhortisan	I can't look up the exact line numbers
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04:58	ArchZombie	Well, for now I'll just put -400, which works.
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05:03	cy1	VanessaE: guess what I've been doing all day :D
05:03	cy1	VanessaE: https://github.com/VanessaE/flowers/pull/1
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05:08	khonkhortisan	Jeija, don't worry, my crossed wires aren't done yet
05:09	Jeija	OK, how where you doint them? Registering as effector + receptor?
05:10	khonkhortisan	I was registering a single node as an effector and turning the receptor on and off, but microcontrollers require registration of receptors. So I created multiple nodes and got it registered. Now the two directions don't connect, the current flows either way, unless you turn the direction of the current while it is flowing. So I have one more thing to do.
05:11	OldCoder	Zzz
05:12	khonkhortisan	okay, the shorter version: Turn on the left side, it flows right. Turn on the right side, turn off the left side, it doesn't flow left.
05:13	Jeija	You should recalculate it on_signal_change
05:14	khonkhortisan	I do. But I set the ports one at a time, which calls my function right in the middle of itself.
05:14	khonkhortisan	I think it's just my logic, though.
05:15	cy1	hm...
05:31	cy1	hey, I reset my server since nobody was building on it and wanted to clean up some mods. Anyone want to try it?
05:31	khonkhortisan	sure, I'm looking for a server
05:31	cy1	verge.info.tm 6989
05:31	khonkhortisan	why that port?
05:31	cy1	It's about a 2.8 megabyte sized game.
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05:32	cy1	because I have ports 6100-7000 as forwarded by default and I'd rather not configure that blasted Frontier router for 30000
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05:32	khonkhortisan	my router doesn't save any changes I make
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07:39	celeron55	http://www.dorkly.com/picture/43598/mordor-door-sign
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08:18	mika__	how do i update minetest?
08:24	mika__	VanessaE, is there a way to update to 0.4.3?
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08:28	iqualfragile	mika__: yes there is, just pull from gihub and compile
08:28	iqualfragile	or (if you are on ubuntu) use the ppa
08:29	mika__	ppa adress is?
08:30	iqualfragile	actualy google is not that hard to use
08:30	mika__	i tried google
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08:36	iqualfragile	what about minetest.net
08:36	iqualfragile	download
08:37	iqualfragile	scroll down a bit
08:37	iqualfragile	aah, there it is: unstable ubuntu/mint
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10:17	Keegann	hello
10:21	Calinou	hi
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12:31	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
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13:27	RealBadAngel	hi all
13:27	PilzAdam	sup, RealBadAngel
13:27	RealBadAngel	whats up?
13:28	PilzAdam	answering a question with a question is not very polite...
13:28	RealBadAngel	;)
13:28	RealBadAngel	ive seen cacti mod, its quite nice
13:29	PilzAdam	i dont like it
13:29	RealBadAngel	why?
13:29	PilzAdam	i like the cactus mod from Neko because it uses the default cacti
13:29	PilzAdam	i dont like mods that add things that are not cubes
13:29	RealBadAngel	hehehe
13:30	RealBadAngel	that could be easily changed
13:30	PilzAdam	so?
13:30	RealBadAngel	but, the point is, they (treees and cacti) grows nice. maybe too high but still nice
13:31	PilzAdam	i like the cactus growing of my farming mod
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13:33	RealBadAngel	of course you do :)
13:33	PilzAdam	http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=41406#p41406
13:33	PilzAdam	rofl
13:33	RealBadAngel	but the idea sapier implemented is really nice
13:33	PilzAdam	its nice for trees
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13:35	RealBadAngel	good that weekend started
13:35	PilzAdam	yay!
13:35	RealBadAngel	2 days for coding then :)
13:36	PilzAdam	yay!
13:36	PilzAdam	i have to train Battlefield 3 because there is a new expansion pack released at 11th
13:36	RealBadAngel	had celeron made something new with swaping nodeboxes and textures?
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13:37	UbuntuNerd	I need help (Not with Compiling Lolz)
13:37	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, no i think not: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/master
13:37	PilzAdam	UbuntuNerd, dont ask to ask a question
13:38	UbuntuNerd	ok Well is there any C++ coders here
13:38	RealBadAngel	im talkin bout this: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/tree/meta_set_nodedef
13:38	UbuntuNerd	I can only code in Lua
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13:38	RealBadAngel	hi VanessaE
13:38	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, i think its just changing node defs in runtime
13:38	PilzAdam	hi VanessaE
13:39	UbuntuNerd	Need a Co-Owner For My Minetest-Fork (That knows C++)
13:39	PilzAdam	is it a opens source project?
13:39	PilzAdam	-s
13:39	UbuntuNerd	yea
13:39	RealBadAngel	yeah, it its supposed to do so, but is kinda buggy now
13:40	PilzAdam	UbuntuNerd, so why talking about Co-Ownsers?
13:40	PilzAdam	-s
13:40	UbuntuNerd	good point
13:40	UbuntuNerd	i Need a Contributor
13:40	UbuntuNerd	That Knows C++
13:40	PilzAdam	i like java; sry
13:41	RealBadAngel	lol
13:41	UbuntuNerd	i like Lua :(
13:41	PilzAdam	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk3qkQROb_k
13:41	UbuntuNerd	not C++ :(
13:41	RealBadAngel	and i like milk chocolate
13:41	* PilzAdam	gives RealBadAngel a glass of milk chocolate
13:42	UbuntuNerd	thats a Amazing Video lolz
13:43	RealBadAngel	nice parody
13:43	UbuntuNerd	Well If you know any C++ coders can you ask them to reply here : http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2458
13:43	PilzAdam	UbuntuNerd, i know c55 ;-)
13:43	UbuntuNerd	C55 as in celeron55?
13:43	RealBadAngel	lol "and jerk off to the picture of gates"
13:43	UbuntuNerd	lolz
13:43	RealBadAngel	rotfl
13:44	UbuntuNerd	so you know the C++ code in Minetest?
13:44	PilzAdam	not realy
13:44	UbuntuNerd	PilzAdam: o ok
13:44	PilzAdam	as i said: i like java
13:45	PilzAdam	and people who like java dont like c++
13:45	RealBadAngel	and vice versa ;)
13:45	UbuntuNerd	Code you be a Contributor for The Lua Code in the Fork
13:45	UbuntuNerd	could*
13:46	UbuntuNerd	Make Custom Default Mods for the Fork
13:46	PilzAdam	i dont like the idea of forking minetest, because we should first make MT good and *than* we can start forking it
13:46	RealBadAngel	we dont have as much coders to make forks
13:47	PilzAdam	but we have forkes that are not coders (e.b. UbuntuNerd)
13:47	PilzAdam	*forkers
13:47	RealBadAngel	yeah lol
13:47	UbuntuNerd	ok well i guess its me and Keegan
13:47	UbuntuNerd	And i Code in Lua thats it
13:48	UbuntuNerd	cyah all later
13:48	UbuntuNerd	join my Channel   #minetest-m13
13:48	PilzAdam	nope
13:48	UbuntuNerd	ok
13:49	PilzAdam	;-)
13:49	RealBadAngel	well, some1 shall say, dont kill kids dreams... ;)
13:49	PilzAdam	Keegann doesnt know how to find the installation path of python
13:49	PilzAdam	that will be a interesting fork...
13:50	RealBadAngel	theyre both just kids
13:50	RealBadAngel	but on the other hand when i was just 12 i decompiled Boulder Dash and made another part of it
13:50	PilzAdam	someone (i think it was goebbels) called me a "kid" too
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13:52	RealBadAngel	goebbels, or whatever nazi nick he is using, is a troll
13:52	PilzAdam	hes on my ignore list ;-)
13:52	RealBadAngel	seen him lately with "himmler" nick
13:53	PilzAdam	VanessaE banned him
13:53	PilzAdam	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll
13:53	RealBadAngel	at least
13:54	PilzAdam	https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Trollschild.jpg
13:54	RealBadAngel	lol
13:54	RealBadAngel	Troll (Internet), an internet term for a person who, through willful action, attempts to disrupt a community or garner attention and controversy through provocative messages
13:54	RealBadAngel	Troll (gay slang), a slang term for gay men who wander about looking for sexual partners
13:55	PilzAdam	i know what a troll is
13:55	RealBadAngel	the 2nd meanin...
13:55	RealBadAngel	that i didnt know
13:56	* PilzAdam	too
13:56	PilzAdam	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAabVQ_XkJ4
13:58	* PilzAdam	is going to play battlefield 3 and troll some people ;-)
13:58	celeron55	http://paste.dy.fi/JVa
13:59	PilzAdam	:-(
13:59	sfan5	celeron55: wut?
13:59	sfan5	i love nyan cats
14:00	PilzAdam	make nyan dogs
14:00	celeron55	i recommend everybody to mail that guy to ask for permission
14:02	PilzAdam	https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/df439ae3961680c4c8e3afef5155107d66717f5c
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14:04	celeron55	if i get no permission, the block will be brown and have the text "Removed by Chris Torres" on it
14:09	VanessaE	wonderful thing to wake up to in the morning - a hard-locked computer
14:10	VanessaE	good morning
14:11	sfan5	VanessaE: not a wonderful mornin' anymore <celeron55> http://paste.dy.fi/JVa
14:11	VanessaE	I saw
14:12	Jeija	I think prguitarman1 is not the real Chris Torres, his nyan cat video was posted 7 days after the original one (the one with most views); But I'm not sure...
14:13	celeron55	okay, i'll find out an another e-mail and mail the actual guy
14:13	Jeija	Dunno if he's the copyright holder, the email doesn't look formal
14:13	VanessaE	I tried emailing him regarding licensing the image.  He was not particularly pleasant to deal with.
14:14	VanessaE	(and yes, prguitarman is the real guy)
14:15	Jeija	but the email is prguiterman1 (mind the 1), may be real, may be fake, and don't forget the informal email
14:15	VanessaE	so what else did I miss while my computer was in a coma?
14:16	sfan5	what about mailing to prprguitarman.com ?
14:16	Jeija	Maybe we should also ask for permission on twitter, that generates publicity!
14:16	VanessaE	haha
14:16	sfan5	good idea :D
14:16	VanessaE	just claim you're using it as a parody
14:16	RealBadAngel	and dont forger to link to the game
14:16	VanessaE	then you have no worries, he can bitch all he wants but it's legal under US law then (where chris is located)
14:17	sfan5	RealBadAngel: for the people that are to dumb to use google?
14:17	VanessaE	sfan5: remember your audience ;)
14:17	RealBadAngel	no no
14:18	RealBadAngel	just by the way :)
14:18	celeron55	ehm... what *is* it, if not a parody?
14:18	RealBadAngel	so the folks readin such tweet will go and check whats that game ;)
14:18	sfan5	a copy?
14:18	celeron55	as if i would have had any seriousness in mind when i created nyan cats deep within underground rocks...
14:18	VanessaE	celeron55: Chris's claim to me in email?  "blatant" use of it.
14:19	RealBadAngel	so just make nyan dog out of it and case closed
14:19	celeron55	i mailed him asking him to mail me from a more authoritative e-mail
14:19	VanessaE	I asked him for permission to use it in "a free open source game", he went apeshit
14:19	celeron55	stop the press until i make sure this is real
14:20	VanessaE	called minetest a minecraft ripoff (without me ever mentioning either one or any terms even vaguely related), etc
14:20	celeron55	that sounds like somebody just trying to get people pissed off for fun
14:20	sfan5	RealBadAngel: lets just pretend nyan cat is a poatato, that solves anything
14:20	RealBadAngel	good idea
14:20	VanessaE	celeron55: hoho, you wanna see the whole exchange?
14:20	celeron55	from now on the nyan cat blocks are called "tac nayn"
14:20	* sfan5	wants to see too
14:21	RealBadAngel	celeron55, have you made somethin new with yesterdays code?
14:21	celeron55	VanessaE: just publish them to the whole channel, this is our development team, to which stuff like that can openly go
14:21	VanessaE	celeron55: it's too long to paste here
14:21	celeron55	(it being completely open is just how open source works)
14:21	celeron55	pastebin :P
14:22	VanessaE	pastebin, of course
14:22	sfan5	or http://sfan5.dyndns.org/sfan5-paste
14:22	RealBadAngel	pastabin ;)
14:22	te3	that nyan cat thing is a troll, 90%
14:22	te3	I can say from having seen a few trolls in my time
14:22	celeron55	wikipedia knows there has been other similar cases in youtube
14:22	Jeija	I didn't actually suggest twitter to create publicity for the game, but to generate publicity for his answer. Saying no may scare off his fans
14:24	RealBadAngel	two goals at once?
14:24	celeron55	On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 09:20:09AM -0500, Chris Torres wrote:
14:24	celeron55	> This is my official email. I am just using my gmail account because it's on my laptop right now.
14:24	Jeija	mhm, game publicity is a nice side effect
14:24	celeron55	my answer? "Ok, I call bullshit."
14:24	te3	yeah right...
14:24	te3	celeron55: ask for timestamp
14:24	celeron55	i'm not going to do anything until a lawyer sends me physical mail
14:24	celeron55	after this crap
14:25	VanessaE	http://pastebin.com/m2Eikd6v
14:25	VanessaE	celeron55, sfan5 enjoy :-)
14:26	te3	hm just ask him on his official mail?
14:27	VanessaE	also, I looked up his copyright and trademark records that he mentions.  the trademarks claims are untenable because of how simplistic the artwork is, and the copyright is irrelevant anyway
14:27	celeron55	wat
14:27	te3	http://www.prguitarman.com/contact.php
14:27	VanessaE	my emails were back and forth to prprguitarman.com
14:27	te3	ah
14:27	te3	lol
14:28	te3	>having a copyright on major internet phenomena
14:29	VanessaE	te3: yep, I know...and trying to lock it down after two years of more or less free use everywhere.
14:29	te3	>which is itself a ripoff
14:29	VanessaE	can we say, internet FAIL :-)
14:29	celeron55	so what is it a ripoff off?
14:29	te3	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfJ37G2_l9w
14:29	te3	this
14:29	celeron55	actually i just got him on his official mail
14:30	VanessaE	te3: oh that's the tune the nyancat video used isn't it?
14:31	te3	yep
14:31	VanessaE	(I've never actually listened to it before)
14:31	te3	and it's older
14:31	VanessaE	yup I know
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14:33	VanessaE	celeron55: pissed off at me now? :-)
14:34	VanessaE	(I half-expect it, sticking my nose where it doesn't belong or something :D )
14:38	celeron55	VanessaE: yes, you shouldn't have done that *at all*
14:39	* VanessaE	shrugs - no good deed goes unpunished.
14:42	sfan5	celeron55: are double forum accounts allowed?
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14:47	Mikeonline	hi
14:50	VanessaE	morning mike
14:51	Mikeonline	good evening Vanessa ;)
14:53	Mikeonline	QTH VanessaE?
14:53	VanessaE	?
14:54	Mikeonline	USA w-e
14:54	VanessaE	oh. yeah
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14:56	celeron55	sfan5: i see no reason to
14:57	sfan5	to allow?
14:57	celeron55	if somebody has two, get them to tell me why
14:57	sfan5	ok
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14:57	sfan5	is there an entry for it in the forum rules?
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14:59	sfan5	...i think that means no
15:00	VanessaE	well since no one reads the rules link anyway, might as well plug in a new rule for it :)
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15:27	VanessaE	you know what?  I should make an animated nyancat block to replace the default one, just to piss that guy off :-)
15:31	celeron55	http://paste.dy.fi/SEk
15:32	celeron55	yeah, there will be a nyancat mod 8)
15:32	VanessaE	celeron55: ok maybe you aren't so pissed then
15:32	* VanessaE	is quite sensitive this morning
15:33	celeron55	one more censored address http://paste.dy.fi/Sve
15:35	celeron55	oops, forgot one...
15:35	celeron55	mail that is
15:36	celeron55	http://paste.dy.fi/Su9
15:36	celeron55	shit
15:36	celeron55	http://paste.dy.fi/sRN
15:36	celeron55	at this rate i'm filling the namespace of this pastebin in a day
15:37	VanessaE	you left one out still - looks like he referenced me in one email
15:37	VanessaE	"brutally factful, not exactly rude"  -- high praise from a Finn ;-)
15:38	celeron55	that has everything
15:38	VanessaE	oh ok
15:38	Kray	celeron55: this is bullshit
15:39	Kray	I can fairly surely say that this guy has nothing to do with original nyancat art
15:40	celeron55	if you google about the author, you'll get chris whatever and guitarman or whatever
15:41	celeron55	i'd say legally he is the author, if not really (for some reason)
15:41	VanessaE	"I like and respect your game"
15:41	VanessaE	this from the same guy who called it a ripoff??
15:41	VanessaE	pfft
15:43	celeron55	i'd guess it's not a copy if i make it sad, make it look at a different direction, modify the ears a bit and modify all colors by one bit
15:43	celeron55	8)
15:43	VanessaE	heh
15:43	VanessaE	you could use my C64 version, let's see him claim that one's a copy :D
15:43	celeron55	i did draw it by hand, not copying anything in a technical way
15:43	VanessaE	you hand-drew it?
15:44	VanessaE	well shit, problem solved.
15:44	celeron55	of course, and it has a boatload of improvisations to make it fit the block
15:44	celeron55	just the colors and the head are exact
15:45	celeron55	there wasn't a pixel-by-pixel image available anywhere, just a video
15:45	VanessaE	even the head isn't exact.  ever notice how in the original gif, the head is off by a few screen pixels from where it "should" be?
15:45	VanessaE	he scaled part of the image up, then pasted a scaled-up head in over it
15:51	VanessaE	in fact there are enough little mistakes in the image to make it evident how it was built up.  Background first, then rainbow, star field, feet and tail, body, head
15:56	RealBadAngel	i dont understand the problem. i would rather tell him to stick the cat deep inside, made a node called "Torres Cat" and send him the screenshot.
15:56	VanessaE	haha
15:56	VanessaE	can't do that, then he's claim libel or some shit :-)
15:56	VanessaE	he'd
15:56	celeron55	ehm
15:57	celeron55	don't piss him off
15:57	celeron55	8)
15:57	RealBadAngel	lets stay with stickin the cat deep inside
15:57	thexyz	how about tacnayn?
15:57	RealBadAngel	indeed no need for torres one
15:57	thexyz	i guess that one has different author
15:58	VanessaE	naw, keep it cute
15:59	VanessaE	apropos
15:59	VanessaE	http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/278/908/f38.png
16:00	thexyz	well apple can't agree with you
16:00	thexyz	> (19:42:14) celeron55: i'd guess it's not a copy if i make it sad, make it look at a different direction, modify the ears a bit and modify all colors by one bit
16:01	VanessaE	haha
16:01	VanessaE	yeah, ask Samsung about that :-/
16:01	RealBadAngel	make it "woof woof" on_punch
16:02	VanessaE	haha
16:03	celeron55	actually
16:04	celeron55	yes, it is missing a message
16:04	celeron55	...
16:04	RealBadAngel	when it asks again, you tell cat? what cat? it barks you idiot
16:05	celeron55	http://paste.dy.fi/sLG
16:08	VanessaE	"but came across as extremely arrogant, disrespectful and downright rude"  -- jeez talk about asshurtery
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16:11	VanessaE	btw, CC-BY-SA 3.0 still allows you to sell it.  it's the -NC variant that doesn't.
16:12	VanessaE	(not that it matters much)
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16:12	MiJyn	celeron55, should there be an integrated AI for the mobs?
16:13	VanessaE	hi rubenwardy.
16:14	celeron55	MiJyn: dunno; but if there is, it has to be extendable
16:14	MiJyn	yeah...
16:14	MiJyn	that's the hard part
16:15	celeron55	well, that's programming interface design for ya
16:15	celeron55	8)
16:15	celeron55	never easy
16:15	MiJyn	IKR?
16:16	VanessaE	maybe just add a bunch of basic actions ("Walk forward n nodes", "turn right n degrees", "strike player", etc) and let the mod handle the actual AI?
16:17	MiJyn	hmm
16:17	MiJyn	yeah
16:17	VanessaE	basic action -> stuff that can be done now with the existing API, but using fewer/simpler calls
16:17	MiJyn	I wonder if I should add a collison-detection hook
16:17	VanessaE	I would think so - for those mobs that need only touch the player to inflict damage
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16:18	VanessaE	(of course next thing you know, someone will design a player sprite to look like Pac Man, and mobs that look like Ghost Monsters ;) )
16:18	jordach	:)
16:18	khonkhortisan	"you have  been swallowed by a slime"
16:18	VanessaE	hi jordach
16:18	jordach	hello VanessaE
16:19	jordach	now, whats with this nyan bullshit
16:19	jordach	(read logs)
16:19	VanessaE	an old subject ;)
16:19	celeron55	good article https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Nyan_cat
16:20	VanessaE	"Nyan Cat (or Pop-Tart Cat) is a shitty meme, which was stolen by some faggot and posted on the net. "
16:20	VanessaE	100% win!
16:22	MiJyn	If only someone could make a decent bow/arrow mod
16:22	VanessaE	what's wrong with throwing mod?
16:23	Jeija|OFF	My throwing mod is shit, I should use wielditem for the arrow and object:setyaw... Is there something like setpitch yet?
16:25	celeron55	VanessaE: the nazi troll says he'd act properly if the ban was removed
16:25	celeron55	maybe he could have a chance
16:25	VanessaE	done
16:26	VanessaE	let's see how long it lasts :-)
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16:26	* khonkhortisan	is playing the google home screen game
16:26	goebbels	heil all my friends :)
16:27	MiJyn	hi
16:28	VanessaE	...
16:29	goebbels	I'm a neigbour of one of the Greatest Minetest Developers, so show some respect to me
16:30	MiJyn	umm
16:30	MiJyn	lol
16:30	RealBadAngel	how one could live next to nazi troll?
16:31	MiJyn	I have no idea how I managed ;(
16:31	MiJyn	*:(
16:31	MiJyn	fine, I didn't live RIGHT next to him
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16:32	jordach	ello Calinou
16:34	Calinou	hi
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16:36	VanessaE	afternoon Calinou
16:40	rubenwardy	hi VanessaE, sorry earlier, just looked in log. I had network disconnection probs
16:40	Calinou	\o/ it is afternoon in france
16:40	VanessaE	no worries
16:40	RealBadAngel	reading about this dumb cat and the whole stuff
16:41	RealBadAngel	its just dumb
16:41	khonkhortisan	but you can play star treck wars on google
16:41	Calinou	trek
16:41	goebbels	VanessaE, you don't like me, huh?
16:42	Calinou	~obit khonkhortisan
16:42	Calinou	khonkhortisan was eviscerated with a chair by Calinou who then "tries to put the pin back in"
16:42	Calinou	it's trek, not treck ;)
16:42	VanessaE	goebbels: I don't the nazi talk.
16:43	VanessaE	Calinou: he loses 10,000 geek points for that error ;)
16:43	goebbels	I don't see any nazis
16:43	khonkhortisan	now I'm 11,000 down
16:44	Calinou	-11,000, yeah
16:44	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: not at all, you earned at least 7500 points for mesecons gates ;)
16:44	Calinou	VanessaE, how many geek points do I have? :D
16:44	goebbels	we should call them Mercedes-Benz-cons
16:44	jordach	VanessaE, me too!
16:44	VanessaE	Calinou: beats me, I don't keep track ;-)
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16:45	Calinou	never seen mercedes-benz being called "mese"
16:45	RealBadAngel	in polish language there was such game o words, mersedes
16:46	RealBadAngel	when sedes is wc seat
16:46	jordach	why does this channel go nuts at times
16:46	rubenwardy	what is mese, in real life? where did the name come from?
16:46	jordach	its msn messenger
16:46	jordach	messe (kill one s)
16:47	goebbels	no, it's mercedes-benz
16:47	goebbels	specifically W124
16:47	goebbels	with at least 2-liter turbo engine
16:47	khonkhortisan	reclining seats, a cd changer, and a sunroof
16:47	RealBadAngel	stfu, kids, fish and nazi dont have the voice
16:48	jordach	theres a reason why i never come here
16:48	rubenwardy	celeron55?: what is mese, in real life? where did the name come from?
16:48	goebbels	rubenwardy: http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Mese
16:48	RealBadAngel	it wasnt joke with messenger
16:48	RealBadAngel	but still mese node IS kinda joke ;)
16:49	goebbels	MSN Messenger (Live) is the best place to find girls @ internets
16:49	rubenwardy	ok
16:49	khonkhortisan	who needs drugs? just look at the pictures http://www.skytopia.com/project/fractal/mandelbulb.html
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16:52	Calinou	poor jordach
16:53	goebbels	he lost so much
16:53	Calinou	goebbels, facebook is probably better for this
16:53	goebbels	Calinou: no. I once almost got in touch with a pussy, and thanks to Messenger (mese)
16:54	Calinou	looks like you have a fetish for kittens
16:55	goebbels	no, a fetish for females
16:55	rubenwardy	almost got in touch with a female, until the girl saw him on video chat
16:58	RealBadAngel	lol
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17:09	cornernote	i put in a pull request for worldedit, patch to save/load metadata to files
17:09	khonkhortisan	yay! /me goes to look
17:10	cornernote	i cheated a little
17:10	cornernote	used a lib
17:10	cornernote	but meh, whatever works
17:10	khonkhortisan	yeah, your diff is odd.
17:11	cornernote	i commented on that
17:11	khonkhortisan	I'm agreeing with your comment
17:11	cornernote	dunno why, on the commit it showed only the changed lines
17:11	khonkhortisan	and you ran git diff?
17:12	khonkhortisan	it might be github's fault
17:12	cornernote	windows client
17:12	cornernote	i tested with a few uc's and it worked well
17:12	cornernote	probably slower than the normal method
17:13	cornernote	thats why i put it in //metaxxxx
17:13	cornernote	cos i think the //load/save will be better for most cases
17:13	goebbels	can I join the Dev Team?
17:13	goebbels	I have some HTML experience etc
17:13	khonkhortisan	it's open source, I think you just have to start doing something and people will notice how involved you are.
17:14	goebbels	yeah, I looked the source code, but it seems weird
17:14	goebbels	is it some new html syntax?
17:14	khonkhortisan	it's c++ and lua
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17:17	cornernote	have a read of this to get started making mods - http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/tutorial/englishEN.html
17:17	RealBadAngel	dont play with troll
17:17	rubenwardy	:)
17:17	khonkhortisan	I didn't know c55 was finnish
17:18	goebbels	all the good guys are finnish
17:18	RealBadAngel	except for some trolls
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17:19	jin_xi	hatifnattes?
17:19	jin_xi	you guys know tove johanson? i think im gonna add a tove themed mod
17:20	goebbels	jin_xi: don't know her, but I know some Tove Jansson
17:20	khonkhortisan	I hate falling through spiral staircases
17:21	jin_xi	a hemul collecting flowers, hatifnattes gathering in thunderstorms and the morra eating torches.
17:22	khonkhortisan	you'd need weather
17:22	goebbels	jin_xi: he was Jansson, not Johanson
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17:27	rubenwardy	lol
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17:39	PilzAdam	sup guys?
17:41	goebbels	heil PilzAdam
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17:44	goebbels	PilzAdam: how are you?
17:44	goebbels	PilzAdam: um sie stehen die Fahnen und Standarten dieses Minetestimus
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18:14	khonkhortisan	ha! just fixed the null cell logic
18:17	VanessaE	woot!
18:17	khonkhortisan	gotta clean up my debug messages, then release it with my example world
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18:24	hmmmm	http://rt.com/news/apple-patent-transmission-block-408/
18:25	celeron55	rt.com is full of win
18:26	khonkhortisan	I didn't know <html><head><title>Minetest World<... actually got saved
18:27	khonkhortisan	each html tag creates a subdirectory
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18:29	celeron55	that sounds odd... since when was >< a directory delimiter?
18:29	Calinou	khonkhortisan, on windows?
18:29	khonkhortisan	since when minetest doesn't process it correctly or block the symbol | no, suse linux
18:30	Calinou	windows: the only OS that yells about filenames that work normally on other OSes
18:30	Calinou	lol, suse
18:30	Calinou	lmfao.
18:30	khonkhortisan	<html><head><title>Minetest World<
18:30	khonkhortisan	then title><
18:30	khonkhortisan	head><
18:30	goebbels	>.<
18:30	khonkhortisan	then html and html> each with their own world.mt
18:30	celeron55	ah, that / in there
18:30	celeron55	it should be blocked in 0.4.3
18:31	khonkhortisan	oh, I thought it was <'s
18:32	celeron55	now, let me ask
18:32	celeron55	why on earth have you attempted to make a world with html tags in it's name?
18:33	khonkhortisan	to see if it would break, I saw that a bunch of slashes didn't break it
18:33	khonkhortisan	and I can make a world called ;,.p
18:33	celeron55	you should be able to name a world ")#¤"¤=!µ-_š and it should work
18:34	goebbels	I think that only sensible world names should be allowed
18:35	VanessaE	imagine trying to relay that filename to someone by voice though.. "um, yeah - the filename is quote parenthesis number sign um..some little circle..quote.."
18:35	VanessaE	heh
18:36	NakedFury	quote parenthesis number-sign circle-square quote circle-square equal exclamation inverted-h minus underscore s-with doble points on top
18:37	NakedFury	then when that someone looks at you with a stupid expression you strike, hitting him with a migthy dlap
18:37	NakedFury	slap
18:39	VanessaE	(circle, of course I know is "currency")
18:40	celeron55	wat
18:40	celeron55	"inverted h"?!
18:40	NakedFury	µ
18:40	VanessaE	haha
18:40	goebbels	that's not inverted h
18:40	celeron55	COME ON, IT'S http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_%28letter%29
18:41	celeron55	what do they teach in schools there
18:41	goebbels	I guess nothing
18:41	NakedFury	not greek or latin
18:41	celeron55	that's used in maths and physics
18:41	goebbels	that's a basic symbol in maths
18:41	VanessaE	I taught myself the greek alphabet back in my pre-teens
18:41	VanessaE	don't remember all of it now though
18:41	NakedFury	havent taken physics not even in highschool
18:42	NakedFury	just shows what a complete shit this system is
18:42	celeron55	i have no idea of the full greek alphabet, but i sure know those commonly used in science
18:42	goebbels	I think Mensa IQ eximination should be taken by those who are willing to participate in the Minetest community
18:42	VanessaE	yup.  alpha, lambda, gamma, mu, sigma
18:42	VanessaE	those are the ones that seem most common
18:42	VanessaE	delta also.
18:43	NakedFury	I know some of those but no the symbols
18:43	goebbels	no offense, but are you a bit retarded?
18:43	NakedFury	no thats keegan
18:43	NakedFury	im just lacking in some knowledge
18:43	NakedFury	very different
18:44	NakedFury	I dont use much math so I dont need Mu
18:44	celeron55	"no offence, but suck my dick you retarded asshole motherfucker"
18:44	NakedFury	yeah I expect that from landmine
18:44	VanessaE	celeron55: taking lessons in American English again? ;-)
18:44	celeron55	i know some of these words!
18:45	VanessaE	seriously, that's straight-outta-the-US-midwest redneck-speak there :-)
18:46	cosarara97	straight-outta-the-US-midwest redneck-speak?
18:46	goebbels	finns are rednecks by default
18:46	goebbels	or "juntti" in finnish
18:47	VanessaE	cosarara97: yep - piss off someone who calls him-/herselg a redneck and expect to find that kind of vitriol as their response :-)
18:47	VanessaE	-self*
18:48	goebbels	why don't I have any friends :(
18:48	goebbels	I'm so lonely
18:48	goebbels	Minetest is not social enough for me
18:49	celeron55	...you haven't probably even started the game once (altough that does not help the problem) 8)
18:50	goebbels	I once almost tried it
18:51	Mikeonline	n8
18:54	goebbels	but the system requirements were too high for my hardware
18:54	goebbels	I'm not such a rich guy that can afford whatever hardware just to play some games
18:55	Calinou	lmao NakedFury
18:58	goebbels	there should be a female sect in MT
18:58	goebbels	so that we lonely males could find them more easily
19:00	NakedFury	then you got to ask all females to have clearly identifiable female names
19:00	NakedFury	like vanessa and I hope isabella
19:01	Keegann	hello
19:03	VanessaE	DarkDragon writes on the forums, "im going to keep saying 4.3 if people cant just ignore it they shouldnt be on the forums to begin with"
19:03	VanessaE	no matter how many people correct him.
19:03	VanessaE	stupid stupid stupid stupid.
19:04	NakedFury	wonder how different MT is gonna be on version 4.3
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19:05	VanessaE	who knows.  will it even need to go that high?  At the current numbering, it would take about 15 years to get there :-)
19:05	VanessaE	(even though the development is moving far faster than that)
19:07	Keegann	whats up
19:07	goebbels	VanessaE, are you a single?
19:07	VanessaE	married.
19:07	goebbels	(not to mention that i like f's)
19:07	goebbels	okay
19:09	leo_rockway	VanessaE: it only took WINE 15 years to reach v1.0...
19:09	VanessaE	heh
19:09	leo_rockway	and e17 might release soon, after only 12 years of beta.
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19:14	celeron55	if minetest 0.5 ever comes, it'll be quite a rewrite
19:15	VanessaE	celeron55: your input is required:  http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=41478#p41478
19:15	goebbels	and me as one of the core re-writers
19:15	goebbels	shitty thread, did not understand
19:16	goebbels	I guess he's not-so-light-skinned guy
19:16	goebbels	according to his way of speech
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19:26	NakedFury	usually its version v2.0 that is a rewrite
19:26	goebbels	usually?
19:26	goebbels	hah hah
19:27	goebbels	shut the fuck up loser
19:27	NakedFury	Minetest 2.0. Codename Renacimiento  just not to use Rebirth, Reborn or any english name
19:27	goebbels	why not: Uudelleensyntymä, in finnish
19:27	goebbels	or Uudelleensyntyminen
19:27	NakedFury	Uudestisyntynyt
19:27	goebbels	not to use any english name
19:27	NakedFury	ohh you went faster
19:27	goebbels	that would be better!
19:27	goebbels	no
19:28	goebbels	Uudestisyntynyt is the best
19:28	goebbels	thank you
19:28	goebbels	did not even think of it
19:28	goebbels	Minetest: Uudestisyntynyt
19:28	goebbels	as: reborn
19:30	celeron55	i'll just jump straight to Minetest 1337.0
19:30	rubenwardy	bye
19:30	NakedFury	Minetest 3.0 Codename: imeä sitä kaivoksen veneet
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19:31	NakedFury	so people have to use google translator to check what it says
19:31	Keegann	hey sdzen
19:31	celeron55	NakedFury: that doesn't make any sense :P
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19:31	NakedFury	suck it minecraft
19:31	NakedFury	suck it mine craft
19:31	goebbels	imeä sitä kaivoksen veneet :D :D :D
19:31	goebbels	hahahahah
19:31	NakedFury	that is what google gave me
19:32	goebbels	what were you trying to say nakedfury?
19:32	goebbels	that means just NOTHING
19:32	goebbels	and not even translatable to anything
19:32	celeron55	well technically it's kind of right, except that "veneet" is "boats", and you don't translate minecraft to finnish
19:32	NakedFury	ooooohhh
19:32	goebbels	aah, he tried to translate minecraft...
19:32	celeron55	and "ime sitä" isn't a common way to say "suck it" in finnish, you need to say what to suck
19:33	goebbels	as mine is kaivos and craft is like.. a craft
19:33	goebbels	but at least not a boat
19:33	celeron55	so it'd be something like "ime kyrpää minecraft"
19:33	celeron55	goebbels: i guess it misunderstood it for raft or something...
19:34	goebbels	celeron55: craft is "alus"
19:34	celeron55	oh well whatever 8)
19:34	NakedFury	ok that clearly would not work so we leave out codenames or just use animals like Java or random words
19:34	goebbels	like a spacecraft = avaruusalus
19:35	NakedFury	that word sounds like a dinosaur if I just pronounce in spanish
19:35	goebbels	no!
19:35	goebbels	finnish is very good codename language when used correctly
19:35	goebbels	always ask a native finnish and not google translator
19:35	NakedFury	yeah the translator would even translate ime
19:36	goebbels	finnish is not-translatable in the means of bots
19:36	goebbels	it really needs human intervention
19:37	goebbels	when I need to translate some foreign language, I never translate it to finnish
19:37	goebbels	but instead to english
19:37	celeron55	that is mostly because finnish works in a somewhat different way than other european languages
19:38	celeron55	the algorithms just aren't developed that much for it
19:39	goebbels	it's a constant source of kidding to read the instructions of foreign products "translated" in finnish
19:39	goebbels	they just make no any sense
19:39	NakedFury	I do that
19:39	NakedFury	from chinese made products
19:40	NakedFury	sometimes its amazing how bad it sounds
19:41	goebbels	finnish is a language of Gods!
19:42	goebbels	since now there is now a dark-skinned human able to speak and wirte correct finnish
19:42	goebbels	because it needs some IQ
19:42	khonkhortisan	VanessaE and others: https://github.com/khonkhortisan/mesecons_extrawires <-- mod | Redpower2's "Null Cell" in mesecons | world --> http://www.mediafire.com/?71i8b9qx28sqys2
19:43	Jeija	lemme see, good chances to get merged
19:43	khonkhortisan	I still think the textures should be improved on the crossing wire
19:44	VanessaE	sweet
19:45	goebbels	we are about to introduce the Nazi Swastika Block in the MT version 0.5
19:45	goebbels	it gives one the super powahs
19:46	khonkhortisan	the ends would have to turn back to the center of the sides so it wouldn't look much like a swastika
19:48	Jeija	good job khonkhortisan, but "you hacker you"!
19:48	khonkhortisan	hehe
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19:52	jordach	please tell me its quiet in here
19:52	Keegann	yes
19:52	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: cna you make it so the cross wire appears automatically?
19:53	VanessaE	i.e. if the player tries to place:
19:53	* jordach	sees sdzen in the user list
19:53	VanessaE	well, one wire on each side of another that have different facedirs
19:53	khonkhortisan	If I were to do that how would you have a microcontroller connect to crossed wire?
19:53	VanessaE	I don't understand
19:54	sdzen	hmm?
19:55	khonkhortisan	that world has a grid of crossed wires with microcontrollers sprinkled in. If it takes four insulated wires surrounding one insulated wire to make a crossing wire, how would you get the µc in there too?
19:55	jordach	celeron55, i dont see why we dont use chunk sizes of 32 - it seems faster in 0.4.3
19:55	VanessaE	khonkhortisan: really though, it should be easy to detect:
19:55	VanessaE	|             |           |            |
19:55	VanessaE	|    -->   ---|   -->  ---|---  --> ---)---
19:55	VanessaE	|             |           |            |
19:56	VanessaE	it should detect only if the facedir of the three wires is different
19:56	khonkhortisan	So I do that, then take out the right insulated wire, and it uncrosses?
19:56	VanessaE	if there's nothing in that center spot, the four surrounding wires will all have the same facedir
19:56	VanessaE	yes
19:56	VanessaE	exactly
19:56	khonkhortisan	but that would break the example world
19:56	VanessaE	take out any of the three and it becomes three regular or uinsulated wires or whatever
19:57	VanessaE	only make it appear if there are exactly five wires and two of them have a different facedir than the other three
20:00	VanessaE	but I see what you mean re: putting them close to a device
20:00	khonkhortisan	|||
20:00	khonkhortisan	-+++-
20:00	khonkhortisan	-+µ+-
20:00	khonkhortisan	-+++-
20:00	khonkhortisan	|||
20:00	VanessaE	yeah, I saw that
20:00	khonkhortisan	that wouldn't happen
20:00	Keegann	
20:00	VanessaE	I guess a separate node is okay, but surely there's a way to detect a condition where a crossing should appear
20:00	khonkhortisan	It would be nice to automatically change, but it shouldn't break what it already does.
20:01	goebbels	aww
20:01	goebbels	hey guys
20:01	goebbels	I'm in love with a nice 1991 born girl
20:02	goebbels	she's so hawt
20:02	khonkhortisan	What if you put a line of wire one direction, then when you put another line you punch the placed wire with the wire you're holding and it changes? Right now I have a recipe.
20:02	VanessaE	hm
20:02	VanessaE	that's a thought
20:02	VanessaE	it would interfere with removing the wires though
20:03	khonkhortisan	can node.drop be a stack of two items?
20:03	VanessaE	yes
20:03	VanessaE	I think spo
20:03	VanessaE	so
20:03	goebbels	the Great Leader is threatening me
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20:06	Keegann	why u ban him
20:10	celeron55	he just speaks random crap
20:10	celeron55	always completely offtopic
20:10	Keegann	ok
20:11	jordach	celeron55, i dont see why we dont use chunk sizes of 32 - it seems faster in 0.4.3, however, users of this patch cannot use 16 chunk size servers
20:12	celeron55	jordach: ehm
20:12	celeron55	jordach: that makes all data incompatible
20:13	iqualfragile	who got banned?
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20:14	khonkhortisan	goebbels just before you got here
20:14	jordach	celeron55, ill look into data conversion later
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20:16	khonkhortisan	eventually we may be able to use arbitrary chunk sizes set in minetest.conf
20:17	jordach	and for that odd reason - the framerate ups by 5%
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20:22	Keegann	😹
20:22	Tengri	hey
20:23	MuadTralk	is that a cat?
20:23	Keegann	yea
20:23	khonkhortisan	nyan😹nyan
20:23	Keegann	😈
20:23	VanessaE	meow.
20:24	VanessaE	just don't show that to nekogloop or we'll never see the end of it :)
20:24	Keegann	😈 < thats a devil
20:24	Keegann	frist one is a cat
20:24	VanessaE	I meant the first pne
20:24	VanessaE	one*
20:25	* khonkhortisan	☚
20:25	celeron55	just wtf IS that?
20:25	celeron55	hmm, a hand with a finger pointing left
20:25	Keegann	thats a gun pointed to his head i think
20:26	khonkhortisan	if you look really closely you can see a hand
20:26	khonkhortisan	need some rain ☂
20:26	celeron55	i pasted it to my browser and ctrl++++++++++++++++++'d
20:26	khonkhortisan	http://fsymbols.com/all/
20:26	Keegann	☿ dont know what is it
20:27	celeron55	unicode is silly; we all have all these obscure symbols stored on our computers
20:27	celeron55	that we will never, ever use
20:27	khonkhortisan	2:?? 1:⁇
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20:27	Keegann	i find them in wiki
20:28	* khonkhortisan	â™—'s your ♜
20:28	Keegann	ಠ_à²
20:28	khonkhortisan	I still can't read that
20:29	khonkhortisan	oh that's what it is
20:29	khonkhortisan	♜♞♝♚♛♝♞♜
20:29	khonkhortisan	♟♟♟♟♟♟♟♟
20:29	khonkhortisan	â–“â–‘â–“â–‘â–“â–‘â–“â–‘â–“â–‘â–“â–‘
20:29	khonkhortisan	â–‘â–“â–‘â–“â–‘â–“â–‘â–“â–‘â–“â–‘â–“
20:29	khonkhortisan	â–“â–‘â–“â–‘â–“â–‘â–“â–‘â–“â–‘â–“â–‘
20:30	khonkhortisan	â–‘â–“â–‘â–“â–‘â–“â–‘â–“â–‘â–“â–‘â–“
20:30	khonkhortisan	♙♙♙♙♙♙♙♙
20:30	Keegann	>:) >;) >:-)
20:30	khonkhortisan	♖♘♗♔♕♗♘♖
20:30	khonkhortisan	hehe sorry for spamming
20:30	khonkhortisan	I keep forgetting how to push a new branch
20:31	jordach	c55, sanity check?
20:32	VanessaE	getting back on topic for a moment, what's the story on CPU usage of ABMs?  Is it really any less CPU-intensive to execute one ABM that does a bunch of stuff, or several that each do one thing (in this case, spawning flowers)
20:33	VanessaE	I'm trying to evaluate cy1's pull request, but I'm not sure
20:33	Keegann	｡◕ ‿ ◕｡
20:34	celeron55	VanessaE: i might be able to guess if i see the full code
20:35	iqualfragile	who got banned?
20:35	Keegann	(_|_)
20:36	VanessaE	celeron55: https://github.com/cyisfor/flowers/commit/465bd5960898fb18cd07b4d685aacaab0f6181e0 versus the full code at https://github.com/VanessaE/flowers/blob/master/init.lua
20:38	jordach	VanessaE, HOW? http://i.imgur.com/8iVM3.png
20:38	VanessaE	I'm not the greatest at reading others' code, and his changes break the existing flowers API (as mine already did once), but I hate to throw out a pull request if it's good
20:38	celeron55	generally, if one needs to quit an ABM due to an extra condition checked in lua, it will be always worse than making ABMs that will check the condition better in C++, in the cases where it is possible
20:38	jordach	minetest classic SHOULD NOT WORK WITH 0.4.3
20:39	VanessaE	but it does?
20:39	VanessaE	weird
20:39	VanessaE	strict protocol checking?
20:39	VanessaE	(or lack of)
20:39	jordach	i have no idea
20:40	celeron55	what are you talking about
20:41	iqualfragile	celeron55: are there win-builds of 4.3?
20:41	jordach	i still love 0.2 more than the latest game
20:41	jordach	0.4.3
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20:42	celeron55	iqualfragile: ...?
20:42	iqualfragile	im running the latest code from the git repos on my server
20:42	iqualfragile	and i have players using windows
20:42	jordach	iqualfragile, https://github.com/downloads/celeron55/minetest/minetest-0.4.3-win32.zip
20:42	iqualfragile	so are there windows-builds?
20:43	jordach	yes!
20:43	celeron55	ehm... how hard can it be? http://www.minetest.net/download.php
20:44	iqualfragile	i looked at that yesterday, the protocol was incompatible but there was no release
20:44	iqualfragile	thankyou
20:44	jordach	iqualfragile, always check http://github.com/downloads/celeron55/minetest/ for the newest stuff
20:45	jordach	(does not work)
20:45	iqualfragile	it tells me thats not the page im looking for
20:45	jordach	iqualfragile, i realized as i hit enter
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20:51	ecube	Yes. Everybody likes leveing. :P
20:52	celeron55	what does tha word mean
20:52	* jordach	re-compiles own fork.........agaj
20:52	jordach	s/agaj/again..
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21:00	VanessaE	jordach: so what's the word?   Does it indeed work?  What'd you do, sign onto redcrab's server or so?
21:17	cy1	Anyone know how to get a corner stair? like a slab with one quarter of a stair above it...
21:17	VanessaE	- - M
21:17	VanessaE	oops
21:18	VanessaE	M M M
21:18	VanessaE	- - M
21:18	VanessaE	- - M
21:18	VanessaE	M = material in question
21:18	cy1	hm...
21:18	* cy1	tries
21:18	VanessaE	that's the only one I know of
21:19	cy1	huh, a sideways stair
21:20	VanessaE	suggest the other kind to Calinou :-)
21:20	cy1	sure thing...
21:20	VanessaE	(I could see it being crafted from two slabs and one panel)
21:21	VanessaE	resul should be two corner stairs of the type you were thinking of
21:21	VanessaE	result*
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21:46	jordach	VanessaE, compiling locked me out
21:46	VanessaE	?
21:46	VanessaE	huh.
21:47	jordach	i could not do a thing
21:47	cy1	server too old?
21:47	VanessaE	you sure you were *really* using 'classic' and not a rebadged 0.4.3? ;-)
21:50	Keegann	whatca guys been up to
21:50	jordach	VanessaE, minetest 0.4.3 can connect to me, but i cant connect to you
21:50	VanessaE	interesting
21:51	jordach	btw - new screenies incoming
21:52	jordach	http://i.imgur.com/KD7RA.png 0.4.3 like mapgen (one / two edits) and http://i.imgur.com/WXwoK.jpg nice and clean pause screen
21:52	jordach	(ignore the huge pause screen, too lazy for alt + prt scrn)
21:53	VanessaE	cool
22:00	jordach	ewww
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22:06	Keegann	anyone know a good sandbox channel?
22:06	jordach	sandbox?
22:07	jordach	Keegann, google it.
22:09	Keegann	why s it so queit here
22:09	VanessaE	hardly anyone on now I guess
22:09	Keegann	minecraft problem kinda fix
22:10	VanessaE	er, we don't care about minecraft :-)
22:10	Keegann	i dont either :)
22:10	Keegann	that why i went there
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22:21	OWNSyouAll	hey how do i scroll up in the chat?
22:21	VanessaE	depends on your client.
22:21	OWNSyouAll	VanessaE: im using 0.4.3 on linux
22:21	VanessaE	oh
22:21	VanessaE	you mean the game
22:22	VanessaE	um, F10 and mouse scroll wheel I think
22:22	VanessaE	or page up/down, I forget which
22:22	OWNSyouAll	VanessaE: ya that worked thanks
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22:23	NekoGloop	is there a realbadangel_ among us? :)
22:23	Keegann	NekoGloop >> 😹
22:23	NekoGloop	keegann: rectangle?
22:23	VanessaE	hey NekoGloop 😹
22:23	Keegann	kitty
22:23	VanessaE	bah, ninja'd
22:24	NekoGloop	minecraft's demo version is so fail at being a good demo ;)
22:24	VanessaE	NekoGloop: install whatever internationalization and unicode packages your OS needs
22:24	NekoGloop	you can easily bypass the set time it gives you
22:24	Keegann	how do you get unicode and emotical
22:25	Keegann	is there like a download or no?
22:25	NekoGloop	and realbadangel_: better than wolves has a 1.3.2 update.
22:25	NekoGloop	(minecraft)
22:27	NekoGloop	vanessae: whatcha up to? :)
22:27	VanessaE	no good, as usual :-)
22:27	NekoGloop	heh
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22:28	NekoGloop	well i just crashed minecraft... the only thing it does better in my opinion is run at a -steady- low FPS, instead of minetest's jumpy fps
22:30	VanessaE	heh
22:30	VanessaE	hey vorte----er...  mrtux ;)
22:31	VanessaE	oh.  autojoin :-/
22:31	mrtux	my computer reboots randomly ;_:
22:31	Keegann	hey
22:31	mrtux	*;_;
22:32	VanessaE	I hate computers some days
22:32	VanessaE	sometimes I wonder if life was easier when we used LOAD and RUN to start our programs ;0
22:32	VanessaE	;)
22:40	Keegann	It`s too late to apologize. The damage is done.
22:40	NekoGloop	... wha...?
22:41	VanessaE	?
22:41	Keegann	qoute of me
22:46	Keegann	KEEGANNS MOTTO: Those who control their passions do so because their passions are weak enough to be controlled. --OldCoder
22:48	VanessaE	heh
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22:54	OWNSyouAll	is there way to see all the blocks that got changed at a location using rollback_check
22:55	VanessaE	dunno, never used that feature myself
23:08	VanessaE	celeron55: with these latest changes you did to try to balance out the map generator's load, 3dforniture's round trees perform far better now
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23:45	NekoGloop	how hard would an enchanting table be in the current api?
23:46	VanessaE	depends on what it's supposed to do :-)
23:46	NekoGloop	minecraft-esque
23:46	VanessaE	and it does...what? :-)
23:47	NekoGloop	gives tools special properties, such as fire aspect (sword-only, sets mobs on fire), efficency (faster mining), etc.
23:47	VanessaE	Idoable with the current API
23:48	VanessaE	I's say it's doable with the current API, but it means replacing many tools' definitons
23:48	VanessaE	(as in re-defining them to handle the extra properties, as well as adding code to make them do whatever)
23:49	VanessaE	it also depends on whether the targets can take on whatever properties the enchanted tools are supposed to deliver, such as the aforementioned burning mobs
23:49	NekoGloop	or iterating through all tools and registering them with all combinations of the effects.
23:50	NekoGloop	all possible combinations*
23:50	VanessaE	that's possible, but not particularly efficient of course
23:50	NekoGloop	yup
23:50	VanessaE	with the current API that's probably all you can do
23:51	NekoGloop	yup
23:51	NekoGloop	just curious
23:51	NekoGloop	the afformentioned solution makes all tools be registered as enchant-able, which minecraft modders are constantly dumbfounded by.
23:52	VanessaE	but like I said, it depends on whether you can also write the code necessary to make those enchantments actually work
23:52	NekoGloop	uh-huh
23:53	NekoGloop	as usual :P
23:53	VanessaE	but then again, if RBA could shoehorn a pseudo-multithreaded ABM handler into the existing game without modifying the engine code...
23:53	VanessaE	(unless he opted for some other method)
23:53	NekoGloop	note he hasnt released anything yet
23:54	VanessaE	I know
23:54	VanessaE	he's like me in that regard - get up to v1.0 before release if possible.
23:55	VanessaE	demoscene coder mentality
23:55	VanessaE	:)
23:57	NekoGloop	who wants me to make a sword addition, with some swords that have special properties? :D
23:58	FreeFull	NekoGloop: Enchant an enchanting table!
23:58	NekoGloop	?
23:58	FreeFull	Which I guess doesn't count as a tool
23:59	NekoGloop	in mc, or was that just the most random thing ever?
23:59	FreeFull	Meow
23:59	NekoGloop	no that's not as random
23:59	NekoGloop	not nearly ;)

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