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Time Nick Message
00:01 Voltaire ping
00:02 RealBadAngel depends on condition i do pick tables
00:03 RealBadAngel and have to pass those tables to that "fixed" definition
00:03 Voltaire I take it you cant do:
00:04 Voltaire tmp_fixed = { ... };
00:04 Voltaire ..
00:04 Voltaire fixed = tmp_fixed;
00:04 RealBadAngel i tried different solutions
00:05 RealBadAngel indexing fixed
00:05 RealBadAngel because it looks like indexed one
00:05 RealBadAngel tried to add tables with nil between them
00:05 RealBadAngel nothing works
00:05 Voltaire So your saying it expectes an indexed table?
00:05 RealBadAngel looks like
00:06 RealBadAngel table of tables
00:06 RealBadAngel but no way to index "fixed" table
00:06 RealBadAngel when i define them like i pasted above
00:06 RealBadAngel with some tables empty
00:06 RealBadAngel it works
00:07 RealBadAngel when try to prepare just set of two....
00:07 VanessaE there.
00:07 VanessaE flowers updated (minor stuff, tweaks and details)
00:07 Voltaire table[0] = {}; table[1] = {};
00:07 Voltaire that doesnt work?
00:08 RealBadAngel no
00:08 jin_xi never put nil in lua tables unless you took precautions
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00:08 RealBadAngel i define empty ones, 6 of them
00:09 jin_xi it'll assume your table ends at nil element
00:09 RealBadAngel and when conditions are fullfilled i replace them with nodebox definition
00:09 RealBadAngel and pass to fixed always 6 tables
00:09 RealBadAngel some of them empty
00:10 RealBadAngel will upload code, its not so long so you can see
00:10 Voltaire Why always six? I think perhaps I need to read up on nodeboxs :)
00:10 jin_xi six orientations of pipes?
00:10 jin_xi oh, six coords, three per point
00:11 jin_xi two points (diagonal) per nodebox
00:11 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/wires.lua
00:11 RealBadAngel theres code
00:11 * VanessaE wants screenshots!!!!! ;-)
00:11 RealBadAngel it generates 64 nodes with all possible connections for wires
00:11 RealBadAngel i just made generator Vanessa
00:12 VanessaE oh ok
00:12 RealBadAngel placer is not here yet
00:12 * VanessaE <-- impatient ;-)
00:12 RealBadAngel as usual im fightin with lua tables
00:13 jin_xi they are not so hard, but a bit confusing at first
00:13 RealBadAngel im done now so i will now just add rules (theyre already here, loops variables are the rules )
00:13 RealBadAngel a bit? pisses off all the time ;)
00:13 VanessaE lol
00:14 jin_xi me too ;) but then i read about them in pil and it was better
00:14 RealBadAngel i guess i will get used to them
00:14 RealBadAngel but now they refuse to work in strange situations
00:14 RealBadAngel when you r sure it should work
00:15 VanessaE so subject them to normal situations
00:15 VanessaE duh ;-)
00:15 Voltaire for x1 = 0, 1, 1 do--x-
00:15 Voltaire for x2 = 0, 1, 1 do
00:15 Voltaire ^^ are they nested for loops?
00:15 RealBadAngel those loops generate binary string
00:15 RealBadAngel 6 bit
00:15 Voltaire Basicly all the possible permutations.
00:15 RealBadAngel yes
00:16 Voltaire 2*2*2*2*2*2
00:16 RealBadAngel and rules set for generated nodebox
00:16 RealBadAngel 1 is for connection to specified direction
00:16 RealBadAngel like x+ or x-
00:17 RealBadAngel so when you place a wire in x+ direction
00:17 RealBadAngel you just have to set that bit, search for rule
00:18 RealBadAngel and replace node with another one with found rule
00:18 RealBadAngel bang, wires connected
00:18 VanessaE impressive
00:19 RealBadAngel rules will be just numbers
00:19 RealBadAngel 0-63
00:19 RealBadAngel so no tables, multiple variables
00:20 RealBadAngel easy as piece of cake to found proper nodebox
00:21 RealBadAngel on destroying node, you just have to remove coresponding bits
00:21 RealBadAngel search for new rules
00:21 RealBadAngel and replace nodes again
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00:21 RealBadAngel all connections will update
00:22 RealBadAngel like this magic-block
00:22 RealBadAngel in exact way
00:24 Voltaire RealBadAngel: How can you define a wire not joined?
00:25 RealBadAngel 0
00:25 RealBadAngel no connections to any side
00:25 Voltaire http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/symbols/wirenj.gif
00:25 Voltaire Like that i mean.
00:25 VanessaE a crossover
00:25 Voltaire Real headache for MC. Yeh. Exactly VanessaE.
00:26 RealBadAngel no problem at all with redpower
00:26 RealBadAngel wait a sec
00:27 RealBadAngel http://nemesis.evalq.net/RedPower2/recipes.html
00:27 RealBadAngel look for Null Cell
00:27 jin_xi hm, but are all of your nodeboxes different or are they rotated?
00:28 RealBadAngel theyre made of 6 basic ones
00:28 RealBadAngel from center to each side
00:28 jin_xi you could use param2 and look up rotate dirs with your binary scheme
00:28 RealBadAngel no i cant
00:29 RealBadAngel i will destroy rules than
00:29 Voltaire Vertical null cell?
00:29 RealBadAngel can be mounted on wall, ceiling whatever
00:29 RealBadAngel like all redwire logic cells and wires
00:30 VanessaE now what if you have three wires crossing, none of which connect?
00:30 VanessaE i.e. one parallel to the X axis, one to Y, and one to Z
00:30 RealBadAngel for 3 or more wires there are bundled cables
00:30 VanessaE is this a configuration the mod will support?
00:30 VanessaE nonono
00:30 RealBadAngel 16 signal in one block
00:30 VanessaE look at the image Voltaire posted
00:31 RealBadAngel i did
00:31 RealBadAngel simple schematics
00:31 VanessaE imagine a third wire running orthogonal to the crossover on the right
00:31 RealBadAngel but we dont really need such stuff
00:31 VanessaE ok
00:31 VanessaE I didn't think so, just needed to ask :-)
00:31 Voltaire Im sure that is what Notch said about Null cells.
00:32 RealBadAngel those are symbols created to make schematics clearer and easier to understand
00:32 RealBadAngel in real life wire goes away, down and back up ;)
00:33 Voltaire True. But then you have multilayer boards.
00:33 RealBadAngel and we do have
00:33 RealBadAngel even in CPU's
00:33 RealBadAngel lots lots of layers
00:33 Voltaire So perhaps we need meta blocks.
00:34 VanessaE I think it should be kept simple
00:34 RealBadAngel notch is pissed of at such stuff like redwire
00:34 RealBadAngel and optifine
00:34 VanessaE an X/Z crossover like that ------> seems okay to me
00:34 VanessaE an X/Y/Z crossover is probably overkill
00:34 RealBadAngel wanted to buy the code from authors
00:34 Voltaire I mean its a crime that you have to create a small castle just to house the logic for your door chime.
00:34 RealBadAngel and they said no
00:35 RealBadAngel and hes not able to create such things lol
00:35 VanessaE heh
00:35 VanessaE minetest has such potential to beat the crap out of minecraft eventually :-)
00:35 VanessaE hundreds of eyes looking at the code, modding, making textures, running servers
00:35 VanessaE and all of it open source
00:35 RealBadAngel and notch is foolin around to optimize his code
00:36 Voltaire I just want to free the players to create anything. Its so cool looking on youtube looking at all the things people come up with, that you just never would have thought of when creating the basic elements.
00:36 RealBadAngel well, not notch anymore
00:36 RealBadAngel he passed that on his man
00:37 RealBadAngel jeb if i remember correctly
00:37 RealBadAngel yes, building is awesome
00:37 RealBadAngel but now we have 1st to create tools for it :)
00:38 RealBadAngel which is also actually fun
00:38 Voltaire yip :)
00:38 RealBadAngel ok, im going back to coding
00:39 RealBadAngel i want my wires be functional tonight
00:39 VanessaE and I wanna see screenshots of ;-)
00:40 VanessaE RealBadAngel: when you get the placement algo done you should send all pertinent info to Jeija so his can benefit too
00:42 Voltaire What if when placing a "wire" node on a "side" of a wire node...you just added a junction in that direction?
00:43 RealBadAngel i check first if neighbour is "cablelike"
00:44 RealBadAngel then in direction x+ of placed block i change rule x- of neighbour
00:44 RealBadAngel that will cause them to connect
00:45 RealBadAngel both nodes have now new sets of rules
00:45 RealBadAngel and will have to be replaced with nodes with new rules
00:45 Voltaire RealBadAngel: But I just wanted to run the two wires parallel,
00:46 RealBadAngel one block between then
00:46 Voltaire RealBadAngel: Perhaps a crimp/cutter tool to add a junction on that side of the block?
00:46 RealBadAngel cables of the same kind will connect always
00:46 jin_xi like rails?
00:46 VanessaE so then you need a "neutral" and "hot" wire?
00:46 Voltaire RealBadAngle: Yeh. But why?
00:46 RealBadAngel we can make a trick and use isolated ones
00:47 VanessaE or just different circuits
00:47 RealBadAngel that will connect only to those with same coloured isolation
00:47 VanessaE insulation.
00:47 RealBadAngel or not isolated ones
00:47 Voltaire It actually made redstone really complicated, when you found wires connecting for no real reason.
00:48 RealBadAngel redstone is shit
00:48 RealBadAngel check out redwires
00:48 RealBadAngel mod is called Red Power 2
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00:48 cornernote hey
00:48 cornernote how cool does the workers mod look ??
00:48 RealBadAngel it even has programmable computer with 6502 procesor onboard
00:49 Voltaire I just notticed :)
00:49 cornernote i think i'll have to setup a PVP server soon
00:49 RealBadAngel you can code it in assembler
00:49 VanessaE cornernote: quote cool from what I've seen
00:49 RealBadAngel or provided forth compiler
00:49 VanessaE 6502 assembly FTW!
00:49 RealBadAngel and write control programs for your circuits
00:49 Voltaire RealBadAngel: I think thats kind of cool. And kind of bad in equal measure.
00:49 * VanessaE <-- C64 geek :-)
00:50 RealBadAngel :)
00:50 RealBadAngel its up to you what you will do
00:50 cornernote what are we talking about ?
00:50 VanessaE everything :-)
00:50 RealBadAngel you can even write games inside a game
00:50 RealBadAngel seen folks playin tetris on computer in minecraft
00:50 VanessaE cornernote: RBA's talking about a mod in minecraft
00:51 cornernote mesecons ?
00:51 RealBadAngel no
00:51 cornernote oh, redstone ?
00:51 VanessaE nono, mineCRAFT this time (redpower)
00:51 RealBadAngel its way better
00:51 RealBadAngel red power 2 mod
00:51 VanessaE so now I guess the idea is to bring that functionality to minetest
00:51 RealBadAngel its like redstone in several hundreds yrs in the future ;)
00:52 cornernote reading
00:52 Voltaire Is RedPower2 minetest?
00:52 VanessaE RealBadAngel: we'll call it MesePower ;-)
00:52 RealBadAngel no
00:52 VanessaE aw
00:52 jin_xi real bad angel dust?
00:52 RealBadAngel Eloraam wrote it, she writes shes own game
00:52 RealBadAngel called Minia i think
00:53 RealBadAngel and created one of the best and most complex mods ever made for minecraft
00:54 cornernote looks really sweet
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00:54 cornernote and im only at the tip of what it is
00:54 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQuC4eJ2aqo
00:55 RealBadAngel heres a guy which makes ruby goldberg machine with it
00:55 RealBadAngel one of the episodes of his letsplay
00:55 RealBadAngel you can c there what redpower can do
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00:56 RealBadAngel in fact not only redpower, he play with shitload of mods
00:56 Voltaire RealBadAngel: My worry about assembly stuff is that its kind of hard.   I know people who get redstone but dont get assembly.  I dont think its bad to have divides like that, but its a hell of a jump from redstone to assembly.
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00:56 RealBadAngel its at the very end
00:56 RealBadAngel look at the wires
00:57 RealBadAngel bundled cables
00:57 RealBadAngel jacketed cables
00:57 RealBadAngel logic gates
00:57 Voltaire I no, i think that stuff is awsome. :)
00:57 Voltaire But why create logic gates for people?
00:57 MineTestUser I finally understand Boolean Algebra!
00:57 NakedFury hi
00:57 MineTestUser To a point
00:57 Voltaire If you have meta blocks you could create the logic gates yourself and hide them in yoru own custom blocks.
00:58 RealBadAngel because normal ppl want to actually bulid logic circuits
00:58 RealBadAngel that do somethin more like openin the door
00:58 RealBadAngel and covering whole valley with it
00:58 NakedFury working on some 1 0 mod? electricity?
00:59 RealBadAngel no
00:59 RealBadAngel we just talkin bout one in MC
00:59 MineTestUser If you create mese logic getes in a brick, I will give you internet cake. Once I get an account.
00:59 Voltaire Thats fine.  Well if they can create blue prints from these meta blocks they can create it themselves.  Even if they just go on a website to learn first time...it kind of sticks.
00:59 RealBadAngel i got no point creating mese mod when theres one already
01:00 MineTestUser but mese logic in a brick?
01:00 RealBadAngel that could be done
01:00 RealBadAngel easily
01:00 MineTestUser But I don't know Lua
01:00 RealBadAngel all the and, not, nor, xor, whatever
01:00 RealBadAngel timers, latches
01:01 MineTestUser The possibilities are ENDLESS
01:01 MineTestUser Also, are you able to make wireless transmitters and inverters with mesecons? It won't let me
01:01 Voltaire mese?
01:01 NakedFury that would be interesting
01:02 RealBadAngel http://nemesis.evalq.net/RedPower2/recipes.html
01:02 RealBadAngel look at the recipes and descriptions
01:03 RealBadAngel at this point in time i got no interest in messing with mesecons
01:03 RealBadAngel got my own work to do
01:04 RealBadAngel got shitload of stuff to code
01:04 Voltaire mescons?
01:04 Voltaire mesecons?
01:04 RealBadAngel its like minecraft redstone
01:05 MineTestUser only without signal loss
01:05 cornernote and pistons cant point up
01:05 Voltaire Yeh. No point with signal loss. Circuits would be better if they "existed" outside of the world.
01:05 MineTestUser Yeah...
01:06 RealBadAngel that was made on purpose
01:06 RealBadAngel to cut the server's load
01:06 Voltaire In theory you could turn circuits into lua.
01:06 RealBadAngel so mesecons
01:06 MineTestUser It's either on or it's off. 1 or 0. In theory, someone COULD make a whole computer from mesecons. No idea why you would though.
01:06 Voltaire lol. power plants :)
01:06 RealBadAngel for fun
01:07 MineTestUser Angel: No
01:07 RealBadAngel folks made running computers out of redstone
01:07 RealBadAngel search youtube
01:07 cornernote then do you think the computer you make in mesecons could run a ported version of minetest ?
01:07 cornernote =)
01:07 RealBadAngel enormous projects
01:07 MineTestUser They definitely don't have lives...
01:07 Voltaire They make a computer from redstone.  But it had the problem that as chunks went outside of view it stoped working, or lost its "memory".
01:07 MineTestUser oh
01:08 RealBadAngel there are ways to prevent unloading
01:08 Voltaire make* = made
01:08 RealBadAngel many mods add such ways
01:08 MineTestUser Interesting...
01:08 RealBadAngel like railcraft's world anchor
01:09 Voltaire Im sure, but if its all connected...why not turn it into a single "program"/"circuit" that isnt dependant on the chunks at all.
01:09 MineTestUser Sorry, I have never played the latest Minecraft, just the free Java version...
01:09 RealBadAngel and whenever you go like 9 chunks around anchor stays loaded
01:09 RealBadAngel and all the stuff is workin
01:09 MineTestUser lol
01:09 MineTestUser I think
01:10 Voltaire Have you guys heard of scratch?
01:11 Voltaire http://scratch.mit.edu/
01:13 MineTestUser no
01:13 VanessaE heard of it, yes.  never used it though
01:15 Voltaire I played with it a little, its to restrictive for a programmer, but good for a newbie.
01:15 MineTestUser why?
01:16 Voltaire It teaches to program.  With the ability to visually control stuff that works well for getting the feel of making something that "does" soemthing.
01:17 MineTestUser Meh, I use Engine001 for game programming
01:17 VanessaE BASIC ftw :-)
01:17 Voltaire And avoid the main problem with programming - the syntax of the language.
01:17 VanessaE too bad Blassic is a dead project, that thing's ideal for the n00b and is useful for experienced programmers as well
01:18 MineTestUser Basic is dead because it was limiting.
01:18 Voltaire 99% of newbie programmer errors are down to missed backets and semicolons etc.  Forgeting what they can do etc. Even before they get to all the logic errors.
01:18 VanessaE BASIC ain't dead, it's just in a coma. :-)
01:18 MineTestUser lol
01:19 Bad_Command_ *persistent vegitative state
01:19 VanessaE hey BC
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01:19 Voltaire it went visual.  sort of zombie basic.
01:19 VanessaE heh
01:19 Bad_Command Hi
01:19 MineTestUser Anyone ever tried Roblox Lua?
01:20 VanessaE what is it?
01:21 MineTestUser It's a fork of lua used specifically for the online building thingy Roblox. It's like regular lua (very object-oriented) but some small things are changed.
01:23 MineTestUser I personally hate scripting....
01:23 Voltaire I want a visual language...I make way to many spolling errors.
01:24 MineTestUser You could use Engine001. It says that it is just a game maker but I have made many different things with it. I am currently working on a database engine.
01:24 MineTestUser Sorta
01:25 Voltaire ?
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01:27 Voltaire database engine?
01:28 MineTestUser Yes. Actually it's in a pre-dev stage. Still planning it out.
01:28 Voltaire Is it for engine001?
01:28 MineTestUser It will be made with engine001.
01:32 Voltaire I had a quick look at a tutorial for it, and it semed to have alot of dialog boxes, wasnt very clear what was going on really
01:32 Voltaire It was just a quick look.
01:33 MineTestUser It does include a lot of dialog boxes. It is a visual way of scripting. I found it very easy to use.
01:34 mrtux I'm going to play minetest
01:34 * mrtux is away: playing minetest
01:35 MineTestUser lol
01:35 mrtux wat
01:35 MineTestUser I just found that funny.
01:36 Voltaire The version i have of minetest doesnt have much to do. No mobs or anything, or am i missing something?
01:37 MineTestUser No mobs in Minetest anymore.
01:38 mrtux celeron55 was working on a mobs mod
01:39 MineTestUser But isn't he still away?
01:39 mrtux no
01:39 MineTestUser oh, good
01:39 mrtux he's been working on minetest, check his github, some activity
01:39 * VanessaE just pounded a hole in the wall trying to get the upstairs neighbors to knock off the noise
01:39 VanessaE OOPS. :-)
01:39 MineTestUser I see
01:39 MineTestUser * hi
01:39 VanessaE (already spackled it)
01:42 MineTestUser how did you do that?
01:43 VanessaE literally pounding my fist on the wall too hard :-)
01:43 MineTestUser no, the chat... :lol:
01:43 VanessaE sheetrock ("gypsum", "drywall") ain't very strong when you're pissed ;-)
01:44 MineTestUser uhh
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01:48 VanessaE hey neko
01:48 VanessaE MineTestUser: what then?
01:48 NekoGloop Meow~ :3
01:48 MineTestUser what then?
01:49 VanessaE neko: new flowers mod, get it :-)
01:49 VanessaE MineTestUser: [08-06 21:42] <MineTestUser> how did you do that?
01:49 VanessaE how did I do what, if not the hole in the wall?
01:49 NekoGloop Oooh :3
01:49 MineTestUser Say the strange shout thing
01:49 NekoGloop I'm having difficulties with my own mod atm :P
01:49 VanessaE OH
01:50 VanessaE /me does something
01:50 * VanessaE does something
01:50 VanessaE that.
01:50 MineTestUser I see
01:50 * MineTestUser needs to get a life
01:50 MineTestUser :duck:
01:50 * NekoGloop has one, selling for 1000 mese :3
01:50 MineTestUser me/ will take it
01:50 VanessaE those :actions: don't work here :-)
01:50 MineTestUser oops
01:50 * MineTestUser will take it
01:51 NekoGloop You bought it :3
01:51 VanessaE neko: what about the other 8? ;-)
01:51 * NekoGloop departs his sould into minetestuser
01:51 * MineTestUser ow
01:51 NekoGloop That's not part of the deal, I said one :3
01:51 * MineTestUser said ow
01:51 NekoGloop VanessaE, y u so smart :3
01:51 VanessaE because I just...am? ;-)
01:52 * MineTestUser is smart too
01:52 VanessaE I'm smart, but compared to Stephen Hawking, I'm a blithering moron ;-)
01:52 NekoGloop Well I have no idea who that is
01:52 VanessaE WHAT!?
01:52 VanessaE *passes out*
01:53 * MineTestUser says "kick him while he's down!
01:53 * NekoGloop kicks minetestuser
01:53 NekoGloop You mean *her*? ;)
01:53 MineTestUser uhh
01:53 VanessaE he's only the smartest man in the world (afaic), theoretical physicist.  Stricken with ALS many years ago, has to use a power wheelchair to move, a computer to talk,etc.
01:53 MineTestUser *nothing to do here*
01:55 NekoGloop Meow~ :3
01:55 MineTestUser A KAT
01:55 * FreeFull licks NekoGloop
01:56 * MineTestUser runs
01:56 * NekoGloop is licked(?)
01:56 VanessaE haha
01:56 FreeFull Tastes of cat
01:56 MineTestUser NOOO NEKOGLOOP
01:56 VanessaE well that's one way to get pu......
01:56 VanessaE no, I can't say it.
01:56 * MineTestUser backs away
01:56 NekoGloop what, vanessae?
01:56 FreeFull putty
01:57 MineTestUser This so conforms to the topic
01:58 VanessaE minetest has nyancats.  QED.
01:58 VanessaE :)
01:58 * MineTestUser rides a nyancat
01:59 Voltaire Minetest just seems very empty.   MC mobs do give you something to try to protect yourself against.  Though they are far to limited.
01:59 * MineTestUser 's mouse driver crased, goodbye
02:00 VanessaE Voltaire: Animals. (now in 3d)
02:00 MineTestUser left #minetest
02:00 Voltaire lol. Just gave myself hickupts.
02:00 Voltaire picturing a 2d creaper - you would have no chance of seeing it side on :)
02:01 Voltaire Invisble and silent.
02:01 VanessaE no.  no creepers
02:01 VanessaE none of that junk from minecraft
02:01 VanessaE hell I prefer no mobs at all, just other players to build and chat wit
02:01 VanessaE with8
02:01 Voltaire Creepers were one of the most effective mobs.
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02:03 cornernote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMmIKYUQW7U - lol
02:03 Voltaire Vanessae: I just think you need a certain amount of conflict to inject life into the system.  I love the social aspect, but you need to cater to all the cardinal player types.
02:05 cornernote oh, even better - naughts and crosses game - http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_597807&amp;feature=iv&amp;src_vid=LNceUkQ1_RA&amp;v=6y30Zt5aY5s
02:05 cornernote wow thats impressive
02:05 NekoGloop Meow~ :3
02:05 VanessaE noughts and crosses?  you mean tic-tac-toe. :-)
02:05 cornernote yeah, that too
02:05 VanessaE damn brits trying to rename everything ;-)
02:06 Voltaire VanessaE: You do realise we had bluetouth working in the late 1800's?
02:06 Voltaire BC.
02:06 Voltaire :)
02:07 Voltaire http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&amp;feature=endscreen&amp;v=nWALarlARSE
02:07 NekoGloop well blue teeth are a side effect of eating certain berries
02:08 NekoGloop I love me a good spleef match, dont you?
02:10 Voltaire That one was done in redstone, imagine how just using RedPower would have shrunk that down.
02:11 cornernote its so huge
02:11 NekoGloop Meow~ :3
02:11 Voltaire Just to create a calculator.
02:11 cornernote i built a piston that fills a pool with water and i was impressed
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02:13 VanessaE criminy
02:13 VanessaE that's huge
02:13 VanessaE think it could be re-done with mesecons? :-)
02:13 NekoGloop Most definitly
02:13 Voltaire Imagine if you could cram all that into a meta-node?
02:14 cornernote lol, why ?
02:14 cornernote so you can run a computer program ingame from 1 node
02:14 Voltaire Yeh. But you created it yourself.
02:14 cornernote theres a better way, just run the function you want to run on the node
02:15 cornernote i can still say i created it myself
02:15 cornernote using only 3 lines of code instead of 10 million
02:15 Voltaire But players can do it without having a mod installed.   The mod that creates the meta levels could turn it into lua code anyway.
02:17 Voltaire conernote: Odly enough blocks that do everything for you arent as much fun as if you can do it yourself.
02:20 NekoGloop Who killed UN Owen?
02:20 Voltaire Anyway. Im going to sleep - apparently I cant stay awake for days withouth seeing things.
02:20 Voltaire vexing.
02:21 mrtux night
02:24 NekoGloop Voltaire is snoozing
02:24 Voltaire|snooze Oh no he isnt.
02:25 Voltaire|snooze Omg. Bad panto!
02:25 Voltaire|snooze ok. snoozing now
02:26 Voltaire|snooze Out of curriosity, any good servers to connect to?
02:26 NekoGloop Zenoheld the Backstab
02:26 cornernote watching those videos about redstone computers... so amazing real computers can do so much, when you look at it on a real-life scale of how things work
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02:26 NekoGloop minetest.freedns.in:30000
02:27 SegFault22 hey all, I'm trying to add an owner to a lot in a city, with node ownership, but it is not working.
02:27 SegFault22 Whenever I execute the command, nothing happens, and upon asking the server for the list, the area is not listed
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02:28 cornernote SegFault22, does the user running mt have write access to the folder where it stores the area data ?
02:28 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_opBqRtPTDE UN OWEN WAS A SPARTAN!!!!!
02:28 SegFault22 UGH
02:29 SegFault22 no, the player is not even online - wait I just remembered...that's right...
02:29 SegFault22 node ownership is so primitive/badly coded that you can't add owners if the owner you are adding is offline...
02:29 Voltaire|snooze NekoGloop: Ive got an old client i guess. Thanks anyways. Will try again later in the week.
02:29 NekoGloop It's 0.4.2-rc1 :3
02:29 SegFault22 and it doesn't even tell you if the area is sucesfully added or not...
02:30 SegFault22 what a joke...who would such a n00b even publish that...
02:30 SegFault22 ]bye all
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02:30 Voltaire|snooze 0.4.1 is the version I have.
02:30 Voltaire|snooze Anyway. Sleep time.
02:30 Voltaire|snooze Ive got 3 hours then i have to get up again.
02:30 Voltaire|snooze Im going to OD on coffee and sugar tomorrow.
02:31 NekoGloop Get it on the blog
02:31 Voltaire|snooze blog?
02:31 cornernote SegFault22, what a nice sounding guy
02:32 Voltaire|snooze cornernote: Could be worse. CoreDump22
02:32 NekoGloop c55's blog :P
02:32 cornernote SegFault22, i know u went offline, but if you read the logs then you may see this... if you have such a problem with the mod then release it coded better instead of complaining about it
02:32 Voltaire|snooze NekoGloop: Ahh cool. Will do first thing tomorrow...err..today....when i have woken up again.
02:33 cornernote or demand your money back for a faulty product
02:33 NekoGloop lmao comma
02:33 cornernote oh wait, you never paid anything
02:33 NekoGloop coma*
02:33 cornernote can't stand people like that
02:48 * mrtux is back (gone 01:13:52)
02:54 FreeFull cornernote: The difference is that real computers don't generally need repeaters ;)
02:55 FreeFull And have elements much smaller than 1m by 1m by 1m
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03:09 khonkhortisan did gameboom just go down?
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03:13 cornernote http://www.gamesradar.com/guy-makes-minecraft-playing-computer-minecraft/
03:13 cornernote a redstone invention that lets him place blocks
03:14 cornernote like on a computer screen
03:14 khonkhortisan I like how the wool shows the different circuits
03:15 cornernote "debugging was fuuun"   lol
03:15 cornernote can only imagine
03:18 cornernote now the next thing... making a redstone computer that can play a game of minetest that has a redstone computer that can play minetest
03:18 * NekoGloop pokes cornernote
03:19 cornernote i keep saying minetest
03:19 cornernote u know what i mean
03:19 NekoGloop Well then say mesecons too :3
03:19 cornernote i ment minecraft
03:20 khonkhortisan http://www.theonion.com/video/warcraft-sequel-lets-gamers-play-a-character-playi,14240/ A similar thing I was sent the link to recently
03:20 khonkhortisan but wow instead of mc/mt
03:20 khonkhortisan I get all my news from the onion
03:22 khonkhortisan did something happen to the gameboom server? I'm not connecting. Was it turned off?
03:22 NekoGloop Screw gameboom, play on minetest.freedns.in:30000 :3
03:23 GTRsdk how many players?
03:23 khonkhortisan must be a new texture pack
03:23 NekoGloop A lot
03:24 NekoGloop Lotsa players :3
03:24 GTRsdk :o
03:24 * GTRsdk woudl like to have lotsa players on his server to see if it has issues or not
03:24 GTRsdk though minecraft server stuff said I could do 100+
03:24 khonkhortisan I have to fix that segfault one of these days
03:25 khonkhortisan my atlas is full
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03:25 NekoGloop all of our atlases are full
03:25 NekoGloop deal with it like the rest of us
03:27 cornernote khonkhortisan - onion news is awesome  =)
03:27 cornernote wowow
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04:18 cornernote this one is even more advanced - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwHBaSySHmo
04:19 VanessaE just played around with mesecons for a bit..  meh
04:19 cornernote what did you think ?
04:19 VanessaE of the video?
04:19 cornernote i built really small things, mostly with pistons
04:19 cornernote no, of mesecons
04:19 VanessaE mesecons needs...work.
04:20 cornernote yeah
04:20 cornernote and docs
04:20 VanessaE stuff is non-intuitive
04:20 VanessaE wires don't rotate and join in ways that visually make sense
04:20 VanessaE jeija's nodeboxes suck :-)
04:20 cornernote wire looks funny when it joins
04:20 VanessaE you mean those lumps in the middle of the wire?
04:23 cornernote yeah
04:24 cornernote and it doesnt stick to the sides of nodes well
04:24 VanessaE I kept the lumps there for historic reasons.
04:24 VanessaE I suppoe I could submit new textures without the lumps.
04:24 VanessaE (current mesecons textures are ones I submitted)
04:25 cornernote look at all these in-game games made from redstone - http://www.youtube.com/user/CodeCrafted?feature=watch ... thats really amazing
04:26 cornernote some look like they would be really fun to code in lua as mini-minetest games
04:28 VanessaE interesting
04:28 cornernote will be amazing when mt/mesecons is that advanced
04:28 cornernote because 1 world can house all those games (i hope)
04:32 cornernote this one is cool, i think it wouldnt be all that hard to code in lua:
04:32 cornernote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXoQehuIYzg&amp;feature=BFa&amp;list=PL818997AE9E1D0B0C
04:32 cornernote doesnt even look like he used that much redstone
04:34 VanessaE hm
04:39 * VanessaE ponders the ides of just rewriting mesecons entirely.
04:40 VanessaE the result would take me forever to finish and would likely not be compatible.
04:40 VanessaE (with the current mod)
04:40 cornernote mesecons is a modpack, much of it is fine
04:40 VanessaE or maybe when RealBadAngel finishes the high-power mod he's working on
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04:43 cornernote check this mini-game out too
04:43 cornernote http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_862823&amp;feature=iv&amp;src_vid=BoXV4-4itSM&amp;v=g0WZSwgYMAA
04:43 cornernote its a how-to of how he made it
04:43 cornernote the actual game is 4 player
04:43 * VanessaE looks
04:43 cornernote heres the actual game:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT-WciX7vDU&amp;feature=relmfu
04:45 VanessaE hm, must be a lot of audio commentary
04:45 VanessaE another time maybe
04:45 VanessaE (I watch youtube mostly with the audio muted so I can keep my music going)
04:46 cornernote watch the 2nd one
04:46 cornernote the 1st one is a lot of explaining how it works
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04:50 khonkhortisan Bad_Command: You there? The gameboom server appears to be down for me.
04:50 Bad_Command let me see
04:51 Bad_Command yup seems to be down
04:52 Bad_Command I left a message for ghostshell
04:52 khonkhortisan okay. I was almost 2/20ths done with the sponge
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05:45 SegFault22 meh?
05:45 SegFault22 meh -.-
05:45 SegFault22 where's celeron...
05:48 cornernote who's that ?
05:51 SegFault22 Celeron55...?
05:52 SegFault22 the creator of Minetest?
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05:53 cornernote it was a joke, i have never seen him speak in this chatroom
05:54 VanessaE c55 does not join this channel.
05:54 VanessaE too much traffic, distractions.
06:09 cornernote kida are home from school, just put on 100 hours of nyan cat inside and then went came back out -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA5DsLzSVrk
06:09 cornernote kids even
06:13 VanessaE heh
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06:28 cornernote anyone running a server ?
06:30 sfan5 http://server.minetest.ru
06:31 cornernote can you give me permission to login ?
06:32 cornernote mt.0.4.1 right ?
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06:39 cornernote is gameboom up ?
06:55 sfan5 cornernote: what?
07:06 cornernote i couldnt login
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08:34 cornernote is there any way to reload a lua function without restarting the game ?
08:35 VanessaE there, mesecons sucks just a teeny bit less now. :-)
08:35 cornernote where ?
08:35 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/minetest-mod-mesecons
08:36 VanessaE I set jeija a few pull requests to improve the appearance of some objects
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08:37 VanessaE nothing major, just some tweaks to nodeboxes, texture usage, etc.
08:38 cornernote nice
08:38 cornernote can u do 1 more thing ?
08:38 VanessaE hm?
08:38 cornernote some animation when the mesecon is active
08:39 cornernote particles, or something
08:39 VanessaE like what?
08:39 VanessaE oh
08:39 VanessaE the particles mod has something for that already, supposedly
08:39 cornernote have a look at redstone
08:39 cornernote for me its just on and off, when its on it glows
08:39 cornernote but in daylight its hard to see
08:39 VanessaE (but the rate at which particles are spawned on mesecons is so slow I never see 'em, and torch smoke doesn't spawn too often either)
08:41 cornernote on redstone it spawns on all of them, like all the time
08:41 VanessaE Yeah I know
08:41 VanessaE I've seen that in videos
08:41 cornernote they look like they are bubbling
08:41 cornernote i'd like to see the piston go up too
08:42 cornernote perhaps on_punch it can rotate it ?
08:42 VanessaE I'll let jeija figure that out :-)
08:54 cornernote other than paramtype2 = "facedir" .. is there any way to rotate nodes ?
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08:55 VanessaE you can force param2 = <number> in an add_node() call
08:55 VanessaE other than that, you'll have to literally do the math
08:55 VanessaE (i.e. rotate it the hard ware)
08:55 VanessaE (hard way)
08:57 cornernote ok, can set node.param2 = 0-5
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08:59 cornernote so it could be something as simple as this in the piston mod
08:59 VanessaE no
08:59 VanessaE pistons use nodeboxes
09:00 VanessaE afaik, you can't rotate such vertically
09:00 VanessaE only between X/Z faces.
09:01 cornernote i'll try
09:07 cornernote any way to reload lua without restarting ?
09:07 VanessaE not thgat I know of
09:08 thexyz what do you mean by "reload lua"?
09:09 cornernote like i change my function
09:09 thexyz you can do it from lua
09:09 cornernote and i need to re-read/parse/whatever the lua code so it does the new thing
09:09 cornernote can u give me a link ?
09:10 cornernote or an example ?
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09:10 thexyz for example, you have a = function()
09:11 thexyz check every second for some file (update.txt) presence
09:11 thexyz if there is such file, make a = loadstring(contents_from_file)
09:11 thexyz hacky, but should work
09:11 thexyz btw, there is also loadfile
09:12 cornernote so i could re-run loadfile ?
09:12 thexyz http://www.lua.org/pil/8.html
09:17 VanessaE woo!  my updates to mesecons were accepted (thanks sfan5 :-) )
09:18 VanessaE well most of them
09:18 cornernote yeah, the param2 doesnt help.. its not that simple :(
09:21 VanessaE cornernote:  minetest.env:add_node(p_top, {name = <NODENAME>, param2 = <DIRECTION>})
09:21 cornernote also had to do this
09:21 cornernote function mesecon:piston_get_direction(node)
09:22 cornernote add 2 more lines to the if/else
09:22 VanessaE where direction is 1-4 for nodes that can only rotate between X/Z axes, or 0-5 (I think) for signlike nodes that can go on any of the 6 sides
09:22 cornernote 4 is down, 5 is up ?
09:22 cornernote or other way around ?
09:22 VanessaE don't remember
09:22 VanessaE p_top in the above is the position you want to place the node in
09:23 cornernote yeah, i have like this (sorry to paste)
09:23 cornernote on_punch = function(pos, node, puncher)
09:23 cornernote if (node.param2 == 5) then
09:23 cornernote node.param2 = 0
09:23 cornernote else
09:23 cornernote node.param2 = node.param2+1;
09:23 cornernote end
09:23 cornernote minetest.env:add_node(pos, node)
09:23 cornernote end,
09:23 cornernote i think this is it.. 2 secs..
09:23 jin_xi you can use minetest.dir_to_facedir(dir) or .dir_to_wallmounted
09:24 cornernote yeah, works
09:24 cornernote jin_xi, i want to rotate it to face upwards
09:24 cornernote the piston
09:25 cornernote works, except nodeboxes are wrong
09:25 VanessaE I don't think nodeboxes can rotate from X/Z -> Y
09:25 jin_xi i mean to see the values of param2 given a direction and a drawing style
09:25 cornernote we need 4 more items then i guess? to make it look pretty...  piston_pusher_normal_up piston_pusher_normal_down
09:26 cornernote or just 1... piston_pusher_normal_withoutnodebox
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09:34 * XarpeSerpe salute you
09:35 * VanessaE declines a the return salute :-)
09:35 * XarpeSerpe ¬_¬
09:35 XarpeSerpe :-) Hello
09:36 XarpeSerpe I have a problem with minetestserver, it runs, but I can see port 30000
09:36 VanessaE cornernote: unless you can find a way to make those nodeboxes rotate to +/-Y, you're going to need something like 12 new nodes: 3 types of pistons (stone, wood, sticky) times two nodes each (plunger and body), times 2 directions (facing up and down)
09:37 VanessaE can or cannot?
09:37 XarpeSerpe sorry can not
09:37 XarpeSerpe :-9
09:38 VanessaE you probably need to tell your router or modem to forward it
09:38 VanessaE or your firewall is blocking it
09:38 XarpeSerpe I think I m not allowed
09:38 VanessaE not allowed by whom?
09:38 XarpeSerpe debian
09:38 VanessaE debian ain't gonna stop you :-)
09:39 XarpeSerpe I do nmap 127.0.0.1 and I cannot see port of minetestserver
09:39 VanessaE is the server actually running and listening on that address?
09:39 XarpeSerpe but minetestserver runs
09:39 VanessaE (if you gave it an explicit address to run on, the answer will probably be "no")
09:39 XarpeSerpe no
09:40 XarpeSerpe I mapped ports and i could see ssh port, and apache port, but not minetestserver port
09:41 thexyz XarpeSerpe: read man nmap
09:41 XarpeSerpe Iptables are open to all
09:41 VanessaE I just tried it, I can connect to my own server easily.
09:41 XarpeSerpe thexyz, thanks
09:41 VanessaE vanessa@rainbird:~$ minetestserver --port 30000 --worldname blah
09:41 thexyz XarpeSerpe: nmap by default scans TCP ports
09:41 thexyz use -sU to scan UDP
09:41 VanessaE then tell the client to connect to 127.0.0.1 port 30000.
09:42 XarpeSerpe thaxyz thanks
09:42 thexyz also use -p to specify ports range
09:43 thexyz for example, sudo nmap minetest.ru -sU -p 30000-30005
09:46 XarpeSerpe 30000/udp open|filtered unknown
09:46 XarpeSerpe its open, ok
09:47 XarpeSerpe but I think I need to bind this port to minetestserver instance, no?
09:48 thexyz no, you don't need to do that
09:49 thexyz if it shows as open|filtered it is already opened
09:49 thexyz try running minetestserver & minetest and connecting to 127.0.0.1:30000
09:49 thexyz it should work
09:50 XarpeSerpe ok
09:50 XarpeSerpe thanks
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10:29 PilzAdam Hello
10:29 jin_xi hi adam
10:30 PilzAdam whats up?
10:30 jin_xi not much...
10:30 PilzAdam :(
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10:44 OddGandalf does someone have a better name for "minetest" ?
10:44 OddGandalf im gonna put up a proper site but before buying a domain i need a more permanent name
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12:07 Calinou http://www.speedtest.net/result/2106118840.png
12:07 Calinou :D
12:21 RealBadAngel @OddGandalf: MineBox?
12:22 OddGandalf taken.
12:23 thexyz what's problem with minetest?
12:23 RealBadAngel invoice sent ;)
12:23 thexyz it's not going to be changed
12:23 OddGandalf "test" implies it's not a full game
12:23 thexyz no, it doesn't
12:23 RealBadAngel yes it does
12:23 thexyz and name is not going to be changed, as i already said
12:24 RealBadAngel but site for it can have different name
12:24 RealBadAngel more permament
12:24 thexyz what can be more permanent than game name?
12:24 OddGandalf a non-test name
12:25 RealBadAngel with "test" in it?
12:25 jin_xi OldGandalf: animals are in a mod
12:25 RealBadAngel lets call it then "Mining Experiment version c revision 55"
12:25 thexyz strange
12:25 thexyz that seems to be "test"-fobia
12:26 thexyz OddGandalf: then generate name for your site using pwgen tool
12:26 thexyz pwgen -0A
12:26 RealBadAngel blind typing is good for that
12:26 RealBadAngel i once typed "papsojwd"
12:27 RealBadAngel and were using it as a password for a long time lol
12:28 RealBadAngel but after a few yrs it became like a word then, not semi-random string for me
12:28 RealBadAngel so typed another one
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12:49 Calinou <OddGandalf> "test" implies it's not a full game
12:49 Calinou no it doesn't
12:49 Calinou and it isn't a full game in the first place
12:49 Calinou it's not finished
12:52 RealBadAngel a problem: i define new variable in meta
12:52 RealBadAngel how to check if it is defined or not without hanging game with nil call ?
12:58 PilzAdam RealBadAngel: "if minetest.env:get_meta(pos, "name") ~= nil then"
12:58 PilzAdam RealBadAngel: sry its  "if minetest.env:get_meta(pos):get_string("name") ~= nil then"
12:59 Calinou https://github.com/TacticalGenius/TexturePackConverter
12:59 Calinou :happy face:
13:04 RealBadAngel @pilzadam: thx, already figured that out, got earlier nil errors because of typo lmao
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13:19 RealBadAngel you know what?
13:19 RealBadAngel whatever string i do check
13:20 RealBadAngel no matter it exists or not
13:20 RealBadAngel it returns not nil
13:21 RealBadAngel it looks like all the nodes have defined field "cablelike"
13:21 RealBadAngel if minetest.env:get_meta(pos1):get_float("cablelike") then
13:21 RealBadAngel print ("cable found!!")
13:21 RealBadAngel end
13:22 RealBadAngel ~= nil works the same
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13:33 RealBadAngel yeah tested
13:33 RealBadAngel when you check for variable name in meta, it always return anything but not nil
13:34 RealBadAngel as if the variable existed, while not
13:34 RealBadAngel when you check variable value, then it works
13:35 RealBadAngel when variable doesnt exist you got nil, othwerwise its value
13:35 RealBadAngel lua has strange manners ;)
13:36 RealBadAngel if minetest.env:get_meta(pos1):get_float("cablelike")==1 then
13:36 RealBadAngel print ("cable found!!")
13:36 RealBadAngel end
13:37 RealBadAngel this one works, with check on the value,not the name just
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14:14 thexyz http://i.imgur.com/qngKI.png
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14:20 RealBadAngel nice
14:20 RealBadAngel and its always visible?
14:20 thexyz what do you mean by "always visible"?
14:20 thexyz from distance?
14:20 thexyz yes, it is
14:20 RealBadAngel so cool
14:21 RealBadAngel @pilzadam, youre here?
14:22 thexyz http://i.imgur.com/6e5C8.png
14:22 RealBadAngel perfect:)
14:27 PilzAdam nice
14:27 PilzAdam where can in download this?
14:28 PilzAdam *I
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14:30 RealBadAngel WIP?
14:30 thexyz right
14:31 mrtux hi
14:31 RealBadAngel @pilzadam: youre partially right and wrong
14:31 RealBadAngel read what i wrote earlier?
14:31 PilzAdam nope
14:31 RealBadAngel so listen ;)
14:31 RealBadAngel checkin of variable name doesnt work
14:32 RealBadAngel you have to check variable value
14:32 RealBadAngel if variable doesnt exist you got nil, otherwise its value
14:33 RealBadAngel if you check just for name it behaves like all nodes have this name defined
14:34 PilzAdam yes i know
14:34 RealBadAngel so why pointed me in dark corner then? :P
14:35 PilzAdam ?
14:35 RealBadAngel you suggested name checking
14:35 RealBadAngel which doesnt work at all
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14:36 PilzAdam maybe you can create a own nil value like "[nothing]" in "on_construct"
14:37 RealBadAngel once u know the behaviour its not a problem
14:37 RealBadAngel but its not logical
14:37 RealBadAngel checkin on name never returns nil
14:37 RealBadAngel as if check itself was creatin variable instance for a node
14:38 PilzAdam if i want to check wether a meta value is there i check always == nil and == ""
14:38 RealBadAngel predefined ones, yes
14:38 RealBadAngel but i wanted to check my own variable
14:39 RealBadAngel to distinct node from others
14:39 PilzAdam are the values createt when the node is placed or later?
14:39 RealBadAngel so defined field "cablelike", when checked it, every node seems like to have it
14:40 RealBadAngel on_create
14:40 PilzAdam wich value do you save under the name "cablelike"?
14:40 RealBadAngel egal
14:40 RealBadAngel 0, 1 true false
14:40 RealBadAngel doesnt matter
14:41 RealBadAngel check works if it has any value
14:41 RealBadAngel name doesnt count
14:41 PilzAdam just chek "~= nil" and "~= ’’"
14:41 RealBadAngel no
14:41 RealBadAngel tried it
14:42 PilzAdam let me check this...
14:42 RealBadAngel check for example if default:cobble has field "dumbass"
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14:42 NekoGloop Boo :P
14:42 RealBadAngel it will have it
14:43 RealBadAngel but if you check dumbass==nil
14:43 RealBadAngel then it will work
14:44 NekoGloop Hi rba
14:44 RealBadAngel check is on the value not the field's existance
14:44 RealBadAngel hi
14:45 NekoGloop Meow~ :3
14:45 RealBadAngel thats why any node returned to me "cablelike" field true
14:46 RealBadAngel once checked if cablelike==value
14:46 RealBadAngel then only cables reported to have that field
14:47 NekoGloop Ranting about your electricity mod again?
14:47 RealBadAngel still
14:47 RealBadAngel fighting with lua nuances
14:47 PilzAdam Okay here my results:
14:47 NekoGloop I might eventually try it :P
14:47 PilzAdam meta-string always have the value ""
14:48 PilzAdam (if u dont change them)
14:48 RealBadAngel even not defined
14:48 PilzAdam meta-floats always have the value 0 (if you dont change them)
14:48 RealBadAngel thats why u get ~nil
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14:49 PilzAdam u can not get nil with meta:get_string or meta:get_float
14:49 PilzAdam but there is a nil like value: "" or 0
14:49 RealBadAngel <PilzAdam> RealBadAngel: sry its  "if minetest.env:get_meta(pos):get_string("name") ~= nil then"
14:49 NekoGloop You should add mesecons compatibility if its not already there.
14:49 RealBadAngel me?
14:50 NekoGloop Yes you
14:50 PilzAdam RealBadAngel: sorry
14:50 RealBadAngel for christ sake
14:50 PilzAdam i dont checked it
14:50 RealBadAngel mesecons are not power line
14:50 RealBadAngel my power lines are not mesecons
14:50 RealBadAngel period
14:51 PilzAdam thexyz: where can i get this signs?
14:51 NekoGloop Make it so you can power mesecons from your powerlines. Make a dedicated block or something.
14:51 thexyz PilzAdam: that mod is still unfinished
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14:51 thexyz so i guess, nowhere
14:51 PilzAdam i want it
14:51 thexyz until i finish it
14:51 RealBadAngel neko: mesecons provides just logic signals
14:51 RealBadAngel 0 or 1
14:51 RealBadAngel not power
14:51 thexyz PilzAdam: why do you need it?
14:51 PilzAdam i want to see the code
14:52 RealBadAngel and from now on i refuse to answer idiotic questions :P
14:52 NekoGloop Alright, then i'll fight with the code to make a converter block.
14:52 RealBadAngel go on
14:52 thexyz PilzAdam: main idea is taken from "paintings" mod
14:52 RealBadAngel you will have a hard time then
14:52 PilzAdam link?
14:53 RealBadAngel since my machines will just refuse mesecons too
14:53 thexyz https://github.com/obneq/painting
14:53 NekoGloop Nonono, you misunderstand
14:53 RealBadAngel simply, i dont like idea running complex machine with a torch
14:53 NekoGloop I mean make a power to mesecons converter.
14:54 NekoGloop Not the other way around
14:54 RealBadAngel jeija is either drunk or too young
14:54 NekoGloop Jeija is possibly both :3
14:54 RealBadAngel no way to allow machines to work with endless +5v signal
14:55 RealBadAngel im planning nuclear reactors
14:55 RealBadAngel to get more power
14:55 RealBadAngel and you tell me to stick to 0/1?
14:55 RealBadAngel forget it
14:55 NekoGloop Hmmm... I might make my evil blocks give off low power...
14:56 NekoGloop Like whatever the equivalent of 1v is.
14:56 RealBadAngel jeija's power plants (how ironic) and other energy collectors
14:56 RealBadAngel are just sensors
14:56 RealBadAngel they can detect if theres water,light
14:57 RealBadAngel and provide logic signal for it
14:57 NekoGloop I know :P
14:57 NekoGloop I'm not an imbecile.
14:57 NekoGloop Although i'm fairly sure i spelled that wrong :P
14:57 RealBadAngel so stop you all comparing my power network to mesecons
14:57 RealBadAngel its not even close to it
14:58 RealBadAngel no logic at all
14:58 RealBadAngel just Ohms laws
14:58 NekoGloop Make a video of your mod in action, i'll watch it.
14:58 RealBadAngel there is one already
14:58 NekoGloop Then point me to it
14:59 RealBadAngel modding general/good bye coal
14:59 NekoGloop Found it on youtube
15:00 RealBadAngel now workin on wires, when done it will be released
15:00 NekoGloop Good but shouldnt your cables be raillike drawing?
15:01 RealBadAngel wires as blocks look kinda stupid ;)
15:01 NekoGloop Dammit ninjas
15:01 Jeija You can just copy my mesecons wires as mesecons is under the wtfpl
15:01 NekoGloop Ohai jeija
15:01 RealBadAngel i almost made my own wires placin rules
15:01 RealBadAngel different than yours
15:01 Jeija <NekoGloop> Jeija is possibly both :3 Ohai I heard
15:01 RealBadAngel hi Jeija
15:02 RealBadAngel wanted to talk to you
15:02 NekoGloop Anyway. The furnace is probably the most useful thing.
15:02 RealBadAngel its one of about 10 furnaces to come
15:02 NekoGloop Oh i know, make it compatible with oil mod
15:02 RealBadAngel and many other machines
15:03 NekoGloop Auto-miner, anyone? :3
15:03 RealBadAngel alloy furnaces, recycling ones, macerators
15:03 RealBadAngel tool repairers
15:03 NekoGloop Idk but one furnace seems like enough
15:03 NekoGloop How to craft these things?
15:04 RealBadAngel you will c
15:04 NekoGloop Crafting recipes?
15:04 NekoGloop Or are they not craftable atm?
15:04 RealBadAngel i will post them in mod's topic
15:04 RealBadAngel once update is online
15:05 NekoGloop How long will that take?
15:05 NekoGloop And you never said anything about oil mod compatibility.
15:05 RealBadAngel since tubes and pipes are not done yet?
15:05 RealBadAngel tubes will provide Vanessa
15:06 RealBadAngel tfu, pipes
15:06 RealBadAngel i will make tubes
15:06 RealBadAngel tubes will be used to transport items
15:06 NekoGloop Oil mod has pipes, make them wire to a certain node that makes electricity
15:07 NekoGloop I'm downloading it as soon as you get your wires to be railike drawing :3
15:07 RealBadAngel it wont be raillike
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15:07 RealBadAngel cablelike
15:07 RealBadAngel i have defined my own way of connectin them
15:07 NekoGloop Fine whatever, make them not blocky
15:08 RealBadAngel thats what im doin right now
15:08 RealBadAngel and connections will update realtime
15:09 RealBadAngel once placed or removed
15:09 NekoGloop Lol realtime == lag
15:09 RealBadAngel once per place/dig?
15:09 RealBadAngel :P
15:09 NekoGloop Im assuming this has a moreores dependency?
15:09 RealBadAngel what a really laggy solution :P
15:09 RealBadAngel yes
15:10 RealBadAngel since i do need many materials for machines
15:10 NekoGloop Is gold/mithril going to have their own cables?
15:10 RealBadAngel cables, soils, alloys etc
15:10 NekoGloop At least more than copper needs to have cables
15:10 RealBadAngel gold is one of the best conductors
15:11 NekoGloop But since mithril isnt a real ore you can take some creative liberties. ;)
15:11 RealBadAngel LV cable means: a) its low voltage, there will be MV- medium voltage and HV - high voltage
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15:11 Jeija I once coded a cablelike (meseconlike) drawtype, just in case you're interested: http://pastebin.com/8PqDxEwj
15:12 RealBadAngel copper wont stand higher voltages
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15:12 NekoGloop Is the difference in how fast, how far, or how much power can be sent?
15:12 RealBadAngel then we will need another cables
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15:12 RealBadAngel im doin it once a sec
15:12 RealBadAngel no need to make it on global step
15:12 RealBadAngel to load servers
15:12 NekoGloop Actually, all those cable blocks need is a different texture, not a drawtype.
15:13 RealBadAngel so its simplified
15:13 NekoGloop That texture's just ugly ;3
15:13 RealBadAngel it was made in like 30s
15:13 RealBadAngel just to see the block :P
15:13 NekoGloop Lol i took more time making the graphics for my game.
15:14 Jeija NekoGloop, that would look strange, like that you can't really make the cables go up at the sides of blocks (if you don't use some strange nodebox hack)
15:14 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/wires.lua
15:14 RealBadAngel here comes the wires :P
15:14 NekoGloop Explain jeija
15:14 RealBadAngel install it you will c them
15:15 Jeija wait brb.. 5min
15:15 NekoGloop But im on my ipad, i cant download anything...
15:15 RealBadAngel wires will be mode centered
15:16 RealBadAngel and auto connecting to cables or power producers and receivers
15:16 NekoGloop So, a question. Are solar panels the only thing that give off power atm?
15:16 RealBadAngel no
15:16 NekoGloop Good
15:16 NekoGloop What else does?
15:16 RealBadAngel geothermal ones for underground
15:16 RealBadAngel where theres no light
15:17 RealBadAngel you have to surround it with lava and water
15:17 RealBadAngel to produce energy
15:17 NekoGloop Cant you fool solar panels with torches?
15:17 RealBadAngel no
15:17 NekoGloop Ok then
15:17 RealBadAngel they work both on daytime and light level
15:18 RealBadAngel another way is generator
15:18 NekoGloop So, you can fool them with torches, but only at day?
15:18 RealBadAngel for use at very  begginings
15:18 RealBadAngel put coal in it to produce power
15:19 NekoGloop Any fuel object?
15:19 RealBadAngel just coal
15:19 NekoGloop Not just coal :P
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15:19 RealBadAngel like in real power plants
15:19 Jeija back, so NekoGloop, what to explain?
15:19 NekoGloop Real power plants also can use wood :P
15:20 RealBadAngel seen power plant runnin on wood?
15:20 NekoGloop Jeija, i didnt understand what you said
15:20 RealBadAngel i havent :P
15:20 NekoGloop I havent seen one personally.
15:20 Jeija In minecraft redstone goes up blocks vertically
15:21 RealBadAngel no
15:21 NekoGloop I wouldnt know jeija, i havent played mc.
15:21 RealBadAngel it doesnt
15:21 Jeija you can't do that with different textures only, you need a hack
15:21 RealBadAngel only way to go up are torches
15:21 Jeija oh yes it does, I don't play minecraft, but I saw it
15:21 Jeija I don't mean the signal, the wire
15:21 NekoGloop Well let's improve upon mc anyways.
15:21 RealBadAngel only torches
15:22 RealBadAngel only way to go up with wire is Red Power 2
15:22 NekoGloop Make a dedicated block, which goes in corners, and also make vertical wires.
15:22 RealBadAngel with vanilla redstone is block/torch/block/torch
15:23 RealBadAngel serie of inverters
15:23 Jeija Just a random example http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HFgC7mVUeWA/0.jpg
15:23 Jeija See the right of the picture
15:23 Jeija it goes up the block at its side
15:23 Jeija that's what's hard to do with different textures only
15:23 RealBadAngel you said up
15:23 NekoGloop Well i cant code .lua worth shit.
15:23 RealBadAngel no way 2 block high
15:23 RealBadAngel on the steps, yeah
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15:24 NekoGloop Wel you could make a spiral staircase then :P
15:24 RealBadAngel since redstone is powerin block (node)
15:24 RealBadAngel and then u end up with enourmous buildings for simple circuits
15:24 Jeija Ok, how are you planning to do that? Or will your wires just stay at the ground?
15:25 RealBadAngel jeija: look at redpower 2
15:25 RealBadAngel as i said: redstone is light years behind it
15:25 NekoGloop EVERYONE SHUT UP AND AGREE THAT RAILLIKE IS GOOD ENOUGH
15:25 NekoGloop now me afk
15:25 Jeija yes nekogloop!
15:25 RealBadAngel lol
15:25 RealBadAngel yes sir, now go
15:25 RealBadAngel :P
15:26 mrtux stupid irc
15:26 RealBadAngel jeija: take ideas from redpower
15:27 RealBadAngel Eloraam made excellent work with it
15:27 RealBadAngel imho redpower 2 is the best mod for minecraft
15:27 RealBadAngel it ovepowers everything
15:28 Jeija as I don't have minecraft it's hard to figure out for me what it does... I'll propably watch some videos some time later
15:28 RealBadAngel i will show you somethin
15:28 RealBadAngel wait a sec
15:29 mrtux I might make an addition to Mesecons
15:29 Jeija what, mrtux?
15:29 mrtux streetlamps
15:29 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAssrmRndXc
15:30 NekoGloop I was going to make a mesecons addon aswell
15:30 mrtux that light up when they get mesecon power
15:30 mrtux and maybe vertical mesecons
15:30 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXdVNRtZeHE&amp;feature=list_other&amp;playnext=1&amp;list=SPC56BE48A0D77EC73
15:30 RealBadAngel this one you definitely should look very carefully
15:30 Jeija vertical mesecons would be nice :D
15:30 Jeija k RealBadAngel
15:30 mrtux I'll get to it when I finish my email to richard stallman
15:31 mrtux he replied to it :)
15:31 RealBadAngel jeija: redpower even adds programmable 6502 computer
15:31 RealBadAngel u can code it in assembler
15:31 Jeija lawl ^^...what?
15:31 Jeija mrtux,
15:31 RealBadAngel write OS for it
15:31 mrtux yes jeija
15:31 RealBadAngel or use provided FORTH compiler
15:32 Jeija Well, a simple microcontroller does not sound too bad...
15:32 RealBadAngel so, its possible to write for example tetris playable inside a game
15:32 RealBadAngel i saw it
15:32 RealBadAngel its a fully functional 6502 system
15:33 RealBadAngel with assembler, IO , disk etc
15:34 RealBadAngel you could propably even port C64 games to it lol
15:35 RealBadAngel since its so like Commodore C-64
15:50 NekoGloop Wow, dead chat
15:50 NekoGloop RealBadAngel: Have you finished your drawtype thing?
15:52 RealBadAngel got it workin on x and y axis
15:53 RealBadAngel now z, and optimize it
15:53 RealBadAngel since the code is mess lol
15:53 NekoGloop Lol good
15:54 RealBadAngel i will finish it today
15:54 RealBadAngel will make low-res textures
15:54 RealBadAngel and i think tommorow will upload update
15:54 NekoGloop D: upload it today!
15:55 RealBadAngel sry, have to finish and test it a bit 1st
15:55 RealBadAngel will upload a video on wires today tho
15:56 NekoGloop D:
15:56 RealBadAngel since its a neat piece of code
15:56 RealBadAngel and Vanessa is in need for it too, for her pipes
15:57 NekoGloop Well the sooner you get it uploaded the sooner everyone is happy.
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16:08 NekoGloop I'm back :P
16:08 NekoGloop On my computer now.
16:09 NekoGloop RealBadAngel, that link again, please :3
16:12 NekoGloop lol why the hell was I looking at Mod Releases
16:12 RealBadAngel makin a video right now
16:12 RealBadAngel wait a few minute
16:12 RealBadAngel s
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16:13 NekoGloop Ohai Calinou :3
16:14 NekoGloop btw, someone greifed your house on the Zenoheld the Backstab server, Calinou.
16:14 NekoGloop I think it was UbuntuNerd, whoever that was.
16:14 NekoGloop I killed him like 10 times lol
16:15 RealBadAngel uploading it now
16:15 NekoGloop uploading vid?
16:15 RealBadAngel yes
16:15 NekoGloop :3
16:15 RealBadAngel with wires placin in the x-axis
16:16 NekoGloop Just upload it
16:16 RealBadAngel you will c then auto-connecting work
16:16 RealBadAngel 6 minutes circa
16:17 RealBadAngel i do have bad upload speed
16:17 RealBadAngel async
16:17 NekoGloop Meow~ :3
16:18 Calinou <NekoGloop> btw, someone greifed your house on the Zenoheld the Backstab server, Calinou.
16:18 Calinou grief, not greif ;)
16:18 Calinou I repaired a bit yes
16:18 Calinou also, ubuntunerd == madchicken13
16:18 NekoGloop same goddamn thing
16:18 Calinou that kid from the forums
16:18 NekoGloop ok, so yell at him
16:18 RealBadAngel that kid?
16:19 RealBadAngel moron
16:19 RealBadAngel talked to me, saw my mod
16:19 RealBadAngel and then made "bigchests" mod
16:19 NekoGloop lol what's the problem?
16:19 RealBadAngel he just copied idea
16:20 NekoGloop combine the two, get big mithril chests that hold a sh*tload of stuff
16:20 RealBadAngel after talkin to me
16:20 RealBadAngel no
16:20 NekoGloop yes :3
16:20 RealBadAngel he just made one biiiig one
16:20 RealBadAngel my chests are tiered
16:20 RealBadAngel and each kind has a purpose
16:20 NekoGloop Oh, while we're talking about that mod
16:21 NekoGloop You cant make an iron locked chest from 8 iron and a locked chest ;)
16:21 RealBadAngel yup
16:21 RealBadAngel forgot to add one recipe
16:21 RealBadAngel already fixed
16:21 NekoGloop oh lol this server must use an old version
16:21 RealBadAngel with next update of course
16:22 RealBadAngel no, it was bug? alzheimer? whatever, my fault
16:22 RealBadAngel just forgot to add that recipe
16:23 NekoGloop yes, yes, do so and i'll alert the person to update the serverside mod
16:23 RealBadAngel u can go around
16:23 RealBadAngel make unlocked
16:23 RealBadAngel upgrade it
16:23 RealBadAngel then go for a lock
16:23 NekoGloop you can unlock a chest?
16:24 RealBadAngel i mean regular chest
16:24 NekoGloop whatever.
16:24 RealBadAngel mess will come later
16:24 RealBadAngel with networks ;)
16:24 NekoGloop New Topic: UPLOAD THE FREAKIN MOD
16:24 NekoGloop :3
16:24 Calinou <NekoGloop> oh lol this server must use an old version
16:25 Calinou server has ancient versions of everything
16:25 Calinou his moreblocks is from april IIRC
16:25 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcSbsGqrK4c
16:25 RealBadAngel video is here
16:25 RealBadAngel this is how the wires will work
16:25 RealBadAngel and look like
16:26 NekoGloop does it work with y and z axes yet?
16:27 RealBadAngel whole x, half y
16:27 RealBadAngel lotsa coding
16:27 RealBadAngel and removal is to be done too
16:27 NekoGloop z is not functional yet?
16:28 RealBadAngel now its just copy paste parts of code
16:28 RealBadAngel and change x,y,z
16:28 RealBadAngel being carefull which ones
16:28 NekoGloop lol have fun
16:28 jin_xi looks cool
16:29 jin_xi thexyz: nice signs!
16:29 RealBadAngel signs r nice
16:29 RealBadAngel but my infoedit is also cool
16:29 RealBadAngel on chests
16:30 NekoGloop well that's only silver or higher, right?
16:30 RealBadAngel you take a look on chest to see infotext for it. edited
16:30 thexyz jin_xi: what GPL version is used in your mod?
16:30 RealBadAngel silver and gold ones
16:30 Calinou inb4 GPLv4
16:30 RealBadAngel mithrhril ones will form networks of chests
16:30 RealBadAngel in certain range
16:31 NekoGloop GPLv1 :3 *doesnt really know*
16:31 RealBadAngel with center of subspace beacon placed
16:32 RealBadAngel all chests of the same network inside range of beacon will behave like multi paged big chest
16:32 jin_xi GPLv3 i'd say
16:33 RealBadAngel so u place fire beacon, with range of 50
16:33 RealBadAngel upgrade mithril chest with subspace module
16:33 RealBadAngel and all of them will be connected to each other
16:34 NekoGloop lol i think i'd make a room with all of these chests, beacon in center, sh*tload of space xD
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16:34 RealBadAngel yes
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16:34 RealBadAngel but theres a price
16:34 NekoGloop how so
16:34 RealBadAngel networked chest wont work with transport pipes
16:35 RealBadAngel so no autocrafting, sorting etc
16:35 RealBadAngel just pure huge storage
16:35 NekoGloop well that would work with my idea orz
16:36 RealBadAngel for automated system there r gold chests
16:36 RealBadAngel which can be marked with colours
16:36 RealBadAngel then sorting machines can for example send cobble to red marked chests
16:36 RealBadAngel sand to yellow
16:36 RealBadAngel etc
16:40 NekoGloop Is it updated yet? D:
16:43 RealBadAngel lol
16:44 RealBadAngel now im goin to update my dish with fresh new pizza
16:44 RealBadAngel then will think bout somethin more ;)
16:44 NekoGloop D:
16:44 ecube peperoni
16:44 RealBadAngel hawaii
16:44 NekoGloop meat lovahs :3
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16:49 NekoGloop Look, a minetestuser.
16:49 * MineTestUser runs
16:49 * NekoGloop chases :3
16:49 RealBadAngel where?
16:49 * MineTestUser runs faster
16:49 * NekoGloop chases faster >:3
16:49 RealBadAngel to the arms :p
16:49 * MineTestUser runs fatter
16:50 * NekoGloop chases even FASTER >:3
16:50 * MineTestUser yells I GIVE
16:50 * NekoGloop takes :3
16:50 * MineTestUser had nothing
16:50 * NekoGloop took it anyway
16:50 MineTestUser >:3
16:50 * RealBadAngel teleports tp MTU and chops head off
16:51 MineTestUser :(
16:51 * NekoGloop takes the head :3
16:51 NekoGloop Look what I found! :3
16:51 RealBadAngel wanna play soccer?
16:51 RealBadAngel hehehehe
16:51 MineTestUser NUUUUUUUUUUUUU
16:51 * NekoGloop kicks it toward rba
16:52 * RealBadAngel kicks it back
16:52 * MineTestUser 's head falls off a cliff
16:52 RealBadAngel ouch! out!
16:52 MineTestUser lol
16:52 MineTestUser So how are you all today?
16:52 RealBadAngel well, fine
16:53 NekoGloop Good. Waiting for rba to get off his lazy ass and upload his mod
16:53 RealBadAngel my wires starts slowly to work
16:53 RealBadAngel @neko: :P
16:53 MineTestUser You see, I would use my preferred nickname, but IRC doesn't like it
16:53 RealBadAngel i could upload just blocks instead of wire
16:53 RealBadAngel s
16:53 NekoGloop What? Vulgar names are not allowed by NickServ
16:53 NekoGloop And I wantz wires :3
16:54 MineTestUser Uhh
16:54 RealBadAngel but i dont want to
16:54 MineTestUser It's 2cool4me4
16:54 NekoGloop try it :P
16:54 NekoGloop Maybe its already registered by someone else? :P
16:54 MineTestUser I did, freenode returns with "invalid nick"
16:54 RealBadAngel will make that wires, then will upload whole stuff
16:55 RealBadAngel then will add new machine each day
16:55 RealBadAngel its a promise
16:55 NekoGloop Well get to working your ass of on the wires. Nao.
16:55 RealBadAngel btw
16:55 RealBadAngel need a name, for certain machine
16:55 NekoGloop What does it do?
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16:56 RealBadAngel it gonna repair your tools
16:56 cool4me4 Well, the name almost worked
16:56 NekoGloop toolshop then
16:56 cool4me4 Couldn't put the 2 first...
16:56 RealBadAngel with power
16:56 NekoGloop RBA, usa toolshop
16:56 RealBadAngel shop? nah
16:56 RealBadAngel think more
16:57 RealBadAngel it will take time
16:57 NekoGloop refinery
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16:57 RealBadAngel its for oil
16:57 NekoGloop DUDE. USE /nick to change your name -_-
16:57 TWOcool4me4 Sorry
16:57 NekoGloop RBA, use toolrefinery
16:57 TWOcool4me4 I cleared your screen
16:57 RealBadAngel sounds like shit
16:57 RealBadAngel next please
16:58 NekoGloop toolrefiner
16:58 TWOcool4me4 o.O
16:58 RealBadAngel better
16:58 _2cool4me4_ That's better
16:58 RealBadAngel any other?
16:58 NekoGloop nope, that's actually my last one
16:58 RealBadAngel try harder
16:58 _2cool4me4_ What are we looking for a name for?
16:59 RealBadAngel machine which will repair tools
16:59 RealBadAngel in cost of energy
16:59 _2cool4me4_ ToolShop
16:59 RealBadAngel shit
16:59 NekoGloop i tried that
16:59 RealBadAngel again
16:59 NekoGloop ToolForge
16:59 NekoGloop Forge
16:59 NekoGloop etc.
16:59 _2cool4me4_ WorkBench
17:00 NekoGloop There's already a whole WorkBench mod :P
17:00 _2cool4me4_ oh
17:00 NekoGloop its on zenoheld the backstab already :P
17:01 _2cool4me4_ ReForge
17:01 NekoGloop ToolForge, RealBadAngel
17:02 _2cool4me4_ afk -.-
17:02 NekoGloop lol so?
17:02 NekoGloop he's coding
17:02 NekoGloop no0t afk
17:03 NekoGloop unless he's eating
17:03 _2cool4me4_ afIRC
17:03 _2cool4me4_ there
17:03 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kppBxSggsIA&amp;feature=related
17:03 NekoGloop Why is this so epic :3
17:03 _2cool4me4_ I can't click links in IceChat
17:03 NekoGloop Well then copy it and get off of icechat cuz its shit
17:04 NekoGloop i mean, even the goddamn webchat's better
17:04 _2cool4me4_ Copying copies most of the transcript :/
17:04 NekoGloop http://webchat.freenode.net/
17:04 mrtux use xchat
17:04 _2cool4me4_ I got the link to work...
17:04 NekoGloop use the webchat :3
17:04 mrtux if you're on windows, don't
17:04 NekoGloop its free
17:05 _2cool4me4_ what's with the suicide girl?
17:05 NekoGloop suicide girl?
17:05 NekoGloop you mean miku holding a gun to her head?
17:05 NekoGloop idk either
17:05 _2cool4me4_ Holding a gun to the head?
17:05 NekoGloop Original song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JGaQ3g8WU4&amp;feature=related
17:05 _2cool4me4_ It's kinda creepy...
17:05 NekoGloop It's playing backwards :3
17:06 _2cool4me4_ Just the pic...
17:06 NekoGloop The one you're listening to is playing backwards :3
17:06 * Calinou is compressing his texture packs using optipng
17:06 Calinou :D
17:06 _2cool4me4_ The song is pretty cool
17:06 Calinou mrtux, xchat FTW
17:06 Calinou mrtux> if you're on windows, don't
17:06 Calinou heard of hexchat?
17:06 mrtux hexchat?
17:06 Calinou free, legal clone of xchat for windows :p
17:06 Calinou the original dev is an idiot
17:06 mrtux I'm using an older xchat version from silverex.org
17:06 _2cool4me4_ afk
17:07 Calinou meme: releases under GPL
17:07 Calinou makes windows version paid
17:07 NekoGloop P.S., _2cool4me4_, it's japanese :3
17:07 * Calinou plays "rickroll'd" using a tuba
17:07 mrtux I need to install linux... NOW
17:07 * NekoGloop listens to "Matryoshka" a few more times
17:07 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JGaQ3g8WU4&amp;feature=related
17:07 mrtux *gnu/linux
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17:09 mrtux hi
17:09 NekoGloop Meow~ :3
17:09 mrtux lunch
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17:10 NekoGloop Ugh, I've already ate but I'm still hungry
17:11 MiJyn hi
17:11 * mrtux is away: Going to eat lunch, then go do somethink, might be afk for a few hours
17:15 RealBadAngel bout songs
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17:15 RealBadAngel have you guys seen that? :
17:15 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPJUBQd-PNM
17:15 NekoGloop seen what?
17:16 * NekoGloop expects it to be a screamer or something :3
17:16 _2cool4me4_ back
17:16 RealBadAngel check this video, its cool
17:17 NekoGloop ya right
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17:18 RealBadAngel btw, there will be 'easter egg' in my next update
17:18 RealBadAngel but shhhh
17:18 RealBadAngel ;)
17:18 Calinou inb4 eatable mithril
17:19 Calinou (that was moreores' easter egg between april 2012 and june 2012. mithril restored 1 heart on left click)
17:19 _2cool4me4_ edible mithril?
17:19 Calinou :)
17:19 Calinou noone knew about it
17:19 Calinou (well, publicly stated it on the forums)
17:19 _2cool4me4_ until now!
17:19 RealBadAngel noooooooo
17:19 RealBadAngel diamonds :)
17:19 * _2cool4me4_ has an evil thought
17:19 NekoGloop you killed it
17:19 * _2cool4me4_ is sad
17:20 * NekoGloop killes _2cool4me4_ since his head is already off a cliff :3
17:20 RealBadAngel need sharp and though stuff to cut copper and steel
17:20 RealBadAngel to form coils
17:20 Calinou compressed my texture packs...
17:20 * _2cool4me4_ is very sad now
17:21 Calinou size reduction: between 20% and 40% :D
17:21 Calinou compression is lossless
17:21 RealBadAngel which format?
17:21 * NekoGloop is getting lonely...
17:21 RealBadAngel there r not many loseless formats
17:22 RealBadAngel neko: write a petition: who will hug me :P
17:22 * NekoGloop shoves a knife through RBA's chest
17:23 Calinou 7.66mb > 6.50mb (misa's pack for 0.4)
17:23 Calinou RealBadAngel, png of course...
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17:23 * RealBadAngel armored, 0,01% lost
17:23 NekoGloop How would I go about making more ores generate?
17:23 RealBadAngel easy as piece of cake
17:23 * NekoGloop stabs RBA 100 more times to remove armor and kill him
17:24 _2cool4me4_ the animals mod doesn't load on 0.4.1?
17:24 RealBadAngel added 2 ores today
17:24 RealBadAngel diamond for super sharp cutting tools
17:24 RealBadAngel and nikolite for alloys
17:24 NekoGloop but what function?
17:24 RealBadAngel look at moreores code
17:25 NekoGloop oh that's helpful :P
17:25 RealBadAngel damn, use on_generate
17:25 RealBadAngel was that even more helpful?
17:25 NekoGloop lolno
17:26 RealBadAngel if youre not a coder, stick to playin
17:26 RealBadAngel baker can bake bread
17:26 RealBadAngel can you?
17:26 PilzAdam "<RealBadAngel> if youre not a coder, stick to playin" -21154545
17:27 NekoGloop ikr
17:27 RealBadAngel english is not my language
17:27 Calinou "if youre not a coder, stick to copypasting"
17:27 Calinou FTFY
17:28 RealBadAngel so i can make filthy mistakes
17:28 Calinou so you can make fifty mistakes.
17:28 Calinou how I feel about "filthy"
17:28 RealBadAngel wanna bet?
17:28 Calinou dat word
17:29 RealBadAngel naaah
17:29 RealBadAngel propably again messed up letters
17:29 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zt2fXJVuUU&amp;feature=related
17:30 RealBadAngel but you got point for sure
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17:30 Calinou some textures in MCE pack are decreased by 60% when compressing. O_o
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17:31 RealBadAngel got something better
17:31 RealBadAngel watch this
17:31 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDVtYzVPg9g
17:31 NekoGloop what is it
17:31 NekoGloop oh that
17:31 NekoGloop already seen it :P
17:32 RealBadAngel nice one
17:32 Calinou MCE pack for 0.4 before: 15.5MB, after: 12.8MB
17:32 Calinou :D
17:32 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&amp;v=cMJYowu3s6A&amp;NR=1 >:3
17:32 NekoGloop cant wait for mesecons noteblocks to work
17:33 leo_rockway greetings
17:33 RealBadAngel dunno why i dont like anything made with diagonal yellow eyes
17:34 RealBadAngel those folks r just different
17:34 RealBadAngel different culture i guess
17:34 NekoGloop who?
17:34 RealBadAngel yaps
17:34 NekoGloop what?
17:35 RealBadAngel asians
17:35 RealBadAngel yapanese in the 1st place
17:35 NekoGloop ... what the hell are you saying?
17:36 RealBadAngel theyre like aliens to me
17:36 RealBadAngel no way to understand them
17:36 NekoGloop lol
17:36 NekoGloop still have no idea why you're ranting randomly
17:37 RealBadAngel im resting :P
17:37 RealBadAngel im after whole day of work
17:37 NekoGloop well get to coding and upload the damn mod
17:37 RealBadAngel lol
17:37 RealBadAngel never been under such pressure lol
17:38 NekoGloop get used to it :D
17:38 RealBadAngel tell that to the bottle
17:38 RealBadAngel of beer
17:39 NekoGloop wtf
17:39 NekoGloop i have no idea what you are saying :P
17:39 NekoGloop :D
17:39 RealBadAngel not wtf but ttf
17:39 RealBadAngel that the .uck
17:40 RealBadAngel im drinkin beer rite now ;)
17:40 NekoGloop well isnt that the best time to code something? :D
17:40 RealBadAngel hmmm, depends
17:40 NekoGloop :3
17:41 RealBadAngel if you like to get more bugs or more stable code ;)
17:41 NekoGloop more stable
17:41 NekoGloop so drink up :3
17:42 RealBadAngel hahahha
17:43 RealBadAngel will go for just 2 more beers
17:43 RealBadAngel and then 6-7 hrs of coding time
17:44 RealBadAngel that is planne
17:44 RealBadAngel d
17:45 NekoGloop 2 beers == 2 seconds? :3
17:48 RealBadAngel no,it assumes: wear, get ur bike, ride the shop, plunder it an go back again
17:49 RealBadAngel 2s is not enough simply
17:51 RealBadAngel im not FTL
17:51 NekoGloop what?
17:52 RealBadAngel Fater Then Light
17:52 RealBadAngel Faster
17:52 RealBadAngel brb
17:53 GTRsdk lol
17:54 RealBadAngel dont lol at drunk one :P
17:54 NekoGloop lol
17:55 RealBadAngel may the power of dark shovel fall upon you
17:56 RealBadAngel hit in da head and sleep :p
17:56 RealBadAngel meanwhile going to get that beer
17:57 NekoGloop Anyone tried my gloopblocks mod yet? (of who's here)
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18:20 NekoGloop ohai pilzadam. again
18:20 PilzAdam Ive changed from webchat to XCHat
18:21 NekoGloop cool... i think...
18:21 NekoGloop I'm gonna make an ore that only generates above sea level! :D
18:21 PilzAdam name?
18:22 NekoGloop uhm... dont have one yet
18:22 NekoGloop :P
18:23 NekoGloop any ideas?
18:23 NekoGloop could even jsut be random letters as far as I care
18:23 PilzAdam lost gold
18:23 NekoGloop lolno
18:23 NekoGloop one word please
18:24 PilzAdam coalstone
18:24 NekoGloop sounds too... coal-y :P
18:24 PilzAdam stoneore
18:25 PilzAdam bone_of_dinosaur
18:25 NekoGloop lets see... may there be a suggestion that does not contain the name of a block in the game already?
18:25 NekoGloop ooooh, fossil :3
18:26 NekoGloop doesnt make sense being only above sea level thoguh
18:26 jin_xi drystone?
18:26 PilzAdam maybe the fossils arent that old
18:26 PilzAdam so they arent deep in the ground
18:27 NekoGloop Maybe make them generate only above -100
18:27 NekoGloop but I want something to only generate above sea level
18:28 PilzAdam sun_burned_stone
18:28 jin_xi this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepiolite
18:28 NekoGloop Some kind of ore.
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18:30 NekoGloop dare i say it, nickel?
18:31 NekoGloop oh screw it, not making it generate only above sea level
18:31 PilzAdam i think we dont need more ores
18:32 NekoGloop I do :3
18:32 PilzAdam even moreores is too much for me
18:33 PilzAdam I like the way it is in the default game
18:33 NekoGloop too bad for you
18:33 PilzAdam nope
18:34 PilzAdam btw XChat is nice
18:34 servvs so how do I connect to servers?
18:35 NekoGloop use your ~magic~
18:35 servvs lol
18:35 NekoGloop what are you having a problem with, exactly?
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18:36 servvs nevermind, I see that i need to register with the specific server first
18:36 NekoGloop lol
18:36 servvs any good servers that I should join?
18:37 NekoGloop uh...
18:37 PilzAdam everyone has build privs on minetest.freedns.in port 30000
18:37 NekoGloop You arent actually allowed to advertise that server
18:37 NekoGloop hush hush
18:38 PilzAdam ?
18:38 NekoGloop The owner has enough problems with it lagging
18:38 PilzAdam its the only server with protokoll version 12 and everyone build privs
18:40 NekoGloop but Muad doesnt want it advertised
18:41 PilzAdam okay
18:41 PilzAdam but its still on servers.minetest.ru so everyone can read it...
18:41 NekoGloop I know.
18:41 NekoGloop But noone every reads that -_-
18:41 NekoGloop ever*
18:42 PilzAdam i have to go
18:42 PilzAdam bye
18:42 NekoGloop bye
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18:44 RealBadAngel i think i am, since i play there
18:44 RealBadAngel join minetest.freedns.in port 30000
18:44 RealBadAngel money is for nothing and the chips for free
18:45 NekoGloop ohai rba, you got more beer I take it?
18:45 RealBadAngel wanna one?
18:45 RealBadAngel on me
18:45 RealBadAngel here u go
18:46 NekoGloop Well there is a beer mod *cough-cough*
18:46 * VanessaE wanders in for a minute
18:46 RealBadAngel hey ho, vanessa
18:46 * NekoGloop pokes vanessae
18:46 RealBadAngel moved a bit further
18:47 NekoGloop wat
18:48 RealBadAngel she know what ;)
18:48 RealBadAngel s
18:48 RealBadAngel my kb is hungry, eating letters dammit
18:49 VanessaE coolies
18:49 Volt|apostrophe Could be worse...
18:49 Volt|apostrophe ...could be eating fish fingers.
18:49 NekoGloop Well RBA is drunk, for those of you having trouble figuring out
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18:49 VanessaE heh
18:50 VanessaE I've known a lot of people over the years whose creativity only increases when they're drunk or stoned :-)
18:50 * NekoGloop hits vanessae over the head with an evil shovel
18:50 VanessaE ow.
18:50 NekoGloop That's why I told him to work on his mod.
18:50 NekoGloop :3
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19:02 VanessaE bbl, gotta run'
19:06 RealBadAngel well, im not such drunk
19:06 RealBadAngel tired, yes
19:07 RealBadAngel sittin there and talkin to the force. will it move even a single finger?
19:12 jin_xi uuuuse the fffoooorce
19:12 RealBadAngel luuuukeee
19:14 RealBadAngel btw, any1 saw StarCrash?
19:14 RealBadAngel with David Haselhoff
19:15 RealBadAngel when he was oung
19:15 jin_xi no
19:15 RealBadAngel macaroni parody of starwars
19:15 RealBadAngel from 80's
19:15 RealBadAngel worth to see
19:16 RealBadAngel and to train your laugh muscles
19:16 RealBadAngel review of it was called like:
19:17 RealBadAngel "..ck you spielerg! we can also make starwars:P"
19:17 RealBadAngel movie is great with its stupidity
19:19 RealBadAngel but most funny think they wasnt ooin a parody
19:19 RealBadAngel they wanted to beat starwars with it
19:19 RealBadAngel and that makes result even more funny
19:20 jin_xi will look later
19:20 jin_xi watching dexter atm
19:20 RealBadAngel download it
19:20 RealBadAngel really worth seeing
19:21 RealBadAngel not for story line, or effects
19:21 RealBadAngel you will got it once saw it
19:22 RealBadAngel kinda like monthy pythons sense of humour
19:22 RealBadAngel but they were serious when makin it lol
19:27 Voltaire In debug what is drawtime?
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20:12 * mrtux is back (gone 03:01:16)
20:29 thexyz anybody care to test my signs mod? http://i.imgur.com/DWYXo.png
20:32 thexyz https://github.com/downloads/xyzz/minetest-mods/signs.zip
20:32 thexyz you also need to /giveme signs:sign
20:33 mrtux nice xyz
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20:37 mrtux hey
20:39 Jeija hi mrtux
20:46 jin_xi it seems i can't dig the signs
20:46 jin_xi ?
20:46 thexyz yes, it's still more WIP than release
20:46 thexyz but most of work is already done
20:47 jin_xi also random texture artefacts
20:47 thexyz yes, and i don't know how to solve them
20:47 thexyz any ideas?
20:48 thexyz also, is there a way to set pitch for lua entity?
20:48 jin_xi no, not that i know of
20:49 thexyz that's bad =(
20:49 thexyz because i already made hack to support wallmounted-like positions
20:49 thexyz and now there is no need in it
20:50 jin_xi i had similar artefacts in painting when size of texture was off
20:51 thexyz what do you mean by "off"? not defined?
20:53 jin_xi image string not right in some way but don't remember precisely
20:53 thexyz hm..
20:54 jin_xi i had to use more :'s and file extensions in that imagestring than tile.cpp's comments made me believe
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20:56 thexyz ok, time to sleep
20:56 NekoGloop D:
20:56 NekoGloop BUT I JUST GOT HERE D:
20:56 NekoGloop I DUN WANNA SLEEP NOW!!!
20:56 thexyz NO. YOU. MUST.
20:57 * NekoGloop zzzzz...
20:58 jin_xi hmm, on relogin sign looks ok
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21:00 jin_xi i think if you make transparent texture for sign entity instead of leaving textures empty it will look good
21:00 jin_xi or only put entity there after first edit
21:03 NekoGloop Meow~ :3
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21:19 NekoGloop Hello...?
21:21 NekoGloop Let's see... RealBadAngel, u there? :3
21:28 Voltaire Im going to go with...no.
21:30 NekoGloop Me too. o.o
21:30 NekoGloop Did he get THAT drunk? :P
21:31 Voltaire He is going to wake up infront of someone elses keyboard.
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21:32 NekoGloop lolwat
21:33 Voltaire Hey BanessaE
21:34 Voltaire Hi VanessaE.
21:34 Voltaire Yay! Second time luky.
21:34 VanessaE hey
21:35 Voltaire Rooster Halo fails is soooo funnny!
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21:43 NekoGloop Meow~! :3
21:45 * NekoGloop kicks Voltaire
21:46 VanessaE now now
21:47 * Voltaire starts to cry.
21:47 * NekoGloop hugs Voltaire :3
21:51 JamieWill can someone try to get on my server, it is new and for me and a friend so im not sure of it works?
21:52 NekoGloop lol what is it?
21:52 JamieWill Minetest Version 0.4.1 IP is 2.96.20.23 and Port is 30050
21:52 JamieWill Thanxs
21:53 * NekoGloop doesnt feel like booting up 0.4.1
21:53 NekoGloop I'm having too much fun with 0.4.2-rc1, and I'm modding atm
21:54 JamieWill is there a .4.2?
21:54 NekoGloop yes, check the blog
21:54 JamieWill oh ok
21:54 JamieWill is there a server or more than one?
21:55 NekoGloop well there's a few servers, yes.
21:55 NekoGloop would help to have one more ;)
21:55 JamieWill Ill try?
21:56 JamieWill Will anyone else try my 0.4.1 server?
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22:05 JamieWill krayon can u try my server?
22:09 JamieWill Who wants to see if my 0.4.2 server is working?
22:11 VanessaE address?
22:12 JamieWill Minetest Version 0.4.2 IP is 2.96.20.23 and Port is 30049
22:12 VanessaE ok
22:12 VanessaE trying.....
22:13 VanessaE wait..
22:13 VanessaE may have something
22:13 VanessaE *chime*
22:13 VanessaE it works
22:16 JamieWill How do you reduce lag would connecting directly to router/modem via cat5 work?
22:17 VanessaE no
22:18 VanessaE I'm not sure how to fix such issues, except to say it's most likely the game, not your hardware
22:19 VanessaE all I know about it is the game sends data to the clients, they send data back, and there's too much time being taken to interpret that data before each end can respond
22:19 VanessaE so the only solution is to send smaller quantities of data, more often
22:20 VanessaE how that's done, I don't know.
22:20 JamieWill so what about backup time?
22:20 VanessaE backup time?
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23:17 JamieWill how do you let people know about your server?
23:17 jin_xi announce it on the forum
23:17 VanessaE post in the servers section of the forums.  One thread only,
23:19 JamieWill ok
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