Time Nick Message 00:00 Tekk_ you have a very pretty prompto .o 00:00 Tekk_ o.o* 00:00 NekoGloop brb. 00:00 Tekk_ XD that's beautifuly 00:00 Tekk_ beautiful* 00:01 Tekk_ "$VERSION_OF_CMAKE_IN_DEBIAN will not make .deb packages!" 00:01 leo_rockway well, I started it with minimal 00:02 leo_rockway I don't know if that's good enough 00:02 leo_rockway Tekk_: check the server 00:02 leo_rockway it is running 00:02 Tekk_ I have full building now 00:02 leo_rockway Tekk_: and my prompt is zsh, with nice colors =] 00:02 Tekk_ so no worries anyway 00:02 leo_rockway maybe we don't need full building 00:02 leo_rockway I already git cloned, btw 00:02 Tekk_ preloads us with a bunch of good stuff 00:02 Tekk_ nice 00:03 leo_rockway oh, you had logged in 00:03 leo_rockway o.o 00:03 leo_rockway I'll relaunch 00:03 Tekk_ didn't you say test it? 00:03 leo_rockway there, running away 00:03 leo_rockway Tekk_: yes, but you said you were building anyway 00:03 leo_rockway okay, I'm going for dinner 00:03 Tekk_ I am 00:03 Tekk_ bye 00:08 NekoGloop Any good free online file hosters? 00:10 NekoGloop Oh, did Tekk_'s server go up? 00:12 khonkhortisan I can't make torrents 17:12:29: ERROR[main]: ServerEnv: Trying to store id=100 statically but block (-2,3,1) already contains 49 (over 49) objects. Forcing delete. 00:12 NekoGloop What? 00:15 khonkhortisan if there's too much rain it all disappears 00:16 NekoGloop Know of any good free file hosting sites? 00:16 khonkhortisan and if it's too high it won't fall 00:16 khonkhortisan no I don't, imgtmp.com is down 00:16 VanessaE rain as entities? o.O 00:16 khonkhortisan yes, what should they be instead? 00:17 NekoGloop And I want FILE hosting sites, not IMAGE hosting sites. 00:17 VanessaE I have an idea for that 00:17 VanessaE one single, HUGE entity that always stays in front of the player. One visible side, like a sprite. That side consisting of a single large animated image of falling rain/snow/etc 00:18 VanessaE change the entity/image to change the precipitation type and rate 00:18 NekoGloop I made a mod VanessaE! :D 00:18 khonkhortisan image ∩ file 00:18 VanessaE of course it would need to only be visible to the player - others should not be able to see the entity, but only the one sitting in front of them instead 00:19 khonkhortisan oops I mean image ⊆ file 00:19 VanessaE I don't know what that symbol means 00:19 RealBadAngel similar to minecraft solution 00:19 RealBadAngel player standin in the middle of the box 00:19 khonkhortisan if rain was like sky, it couldn't leave puddles 00:20 RealBadAngel with rain on box walls 00:21 NekoGloop How rare are nyancats? :3 00:22 khonkhortisan one giant nodebox with inside animated faces 00:22 NekoGloop No, seriously, how rare are nyancats? 00:23 khonkhortisan I've never seen a wild nyan cat, except for a video of a mod that makes them fly above cloud level 00:23 NekoGloop Oh. :( 00:23 khonkhortisan and in chests 00:23 NekoGloop Guess that means no nyancats in my recipes. 00:23 khonkhortisan they are rarer than mythril from moreores 00:24 NekoGloop "chests" There are treasure chests? 00:24 khonkhortisan no boxes that you put stuff in, that can either be locked chests or nonlocked chests 00:25 khonkhortisan I don't know what they're called in minecraft 00:25 VanessaE khonkhortisan: giant nodebox, that's a good idea. 00:25 VanessaE but how do you keep others from seeing it? 00:25 khonkhortisan but wherever the nodebox is it blocks construction 00:25 VanessaE make it non-selectable 00:26 khonkhortisan only one node can be in the space of a node 00:26 VanessaE If there's no selection box, the game will just aim for whatever lies beyond it 00:26 NekoGloop Well, that could be a good thing. Finally you can build IN yourself. :3 00:26 khonkhortisan what if I want to bury myself? I'll kill the weather 00:26 NekoGloop cant* 00:26 VanessaE the only other way to do it is to get c55 to add an "image overlay" option that just paints a single large image over the rendered world 00:27 khonkhortisan then it would rain over the ground 00:27 VanessaE sure, but then you could gradually wet the ground down as usual 00:27 VanessaE besides, 00:27 khonkhortisan what would I wet the ground with? 00:27 NekoGloop How to make nodes give off light? 00:28 VanessaE have you ever stood out in the rain and actually looked at the region closes to you? 00:28 Tekk_ NekoGloop: there's probably just some light factor variable 00:28 VanessaE it doesn't appear to stop anywhere does it? 00:28 VanessaE wet the ground by defining new nodes like mud, muddy grass, wet stone, etc? 00:29 khonkhortisan so rain would be a whole-world event 00:32 VanessaE well 00:32 VanessaE what's gotten wet for one person should be wet for anyone else in the same area 00:33 VanessaE or snow-covered, etc 00:33 * NekoGloop pokes VanessaE 00:35 VanessaE so however you implement the falling precipitation, the ground should literally change to different node types depending on what fell 00:35 VanessaE and when they dry out, change them back 00:36 NekoGloop VanessaE~ I made a mod!!! 00:36 VanessaE what mod? 00:36 NekoGloop Havent uploaded it yet. 00:36 VanessaE ok, what does it *do* then :-) 00:36 NekoGloop How do I get a github account? Is it free? 00:37 VanessaE it is. 00:37 khonkhortisan it's free 00:37 VanessaE just go to thesite and register :-) 00:37 NekoGloop Cuz then I can just upload it and show you. :3 00:37 khonkhortisan but you can't really zip different versions of your mod 00:37 khonkhortisan unless you add your zips to the version control 00:38 VanessaE sure you can 00:38 khonkhortisan how? 00:38 VanessaE github puts the current git hash in the zip filename autimatically 00:38 NekoGloop ok, something OTHER than github that will 100% work. 00:38 VanessaE and also in the extracted top-level folder 00:38 NekoGloop That is 100% free. 00:38 NekoGloop And 100% IE-compatible. :3 00:38 khonkhortisan but there's only one zip at a time 00:38 khonkhortisan IE-compatible is not a good thing 00:39 khonkhortisan it should be standards-compliant 00:39 VanessaE well sure, but if the user commits&pushes an update, the next download ZIP will hgave a different filename 00:39 NekoGloop Shut up and find one. 00:39 khonkhortisan mod releases requires different version downloads, how do I do that with github? 00:41 VanessaE I don't understand 00:41 VanessaE you mean like two versions of a mod targeting two versions of the game? 00:41 khonkhortisan no like version one of my mod is downloadable and when version two comes out the download for version one doesn't disappear 00:42 VanessaE ah 00:42 OldCoder How do I get a github account? 00:42 VanessaE that's easy, just link to an older hash tag 00:42 OldCoder If you just need to host code there are other options 00:42 OldCoder GitHub is usually for projects that are structured a certain way 00:42 NakedFury like minetest? 00:42 OldCoder Minetest is a good example 00:43 OldCoder It is designed to be developed via git 00:43 OldCoder But any project can go to GitHub 00:43 NekoGloop I'm trying to host a zipped mod file... 00:43 VanessaE khonkhortisan: on the right side of the screen in your "commits" listing are hashes associated with each commit&push. Below those are links to "Browse Code -->" 00:43 OldCoder NekoGloop, MOD as in music? 00:43 VanessaE click on the "browse code" link below the hash you want to link to 00:43 NekoGloop MOD as in minetest mod... 00:43 OldCoder Oh 00:43 VanessaE then right click on the ZIP button and copy link location 00:43 VanessaE that becomes the zip of the hash you were looking at 00:44 OldCoder NekoGloop, one minute 00:44 VanessaE effectively, the older release you want to retain a download for 00:44 OldCoder VanessaE or others; out of curiosity, wouldn't mods fall under the umbrella of Minetest itself? Is there a mods subtree? 00:44 VanessaE while you stay at the head of the branch (the "master" tree) and link to THAT ZIP button to keep the current git master available as well 00:45 VanessaE OldCoder: I'm not sure what you mean 00:45 OldCoder VanessaE, NekoGloop has prepared a mod... 00:45 VanessaE mmhmm? 00:45 NekoGloop nyancat burns for just as long as leaves? lol 00:45 khonkhortisan VanessaE: thanks 00:45 OldCoder Is there a formal collection of mods maintained in a folder under Minetest? 00:45 VanessaE OH 00:45 OldCoder For example, a contrib tree 00:45 VanessaE not exactly 00:45 Tekk_ it tends to be informal afaict 00:45 VanessaE there's a few mods included in the game, 00:45 Tekk_ you post your mod on the mod releases forum, if you're good you get into the game 00:46 OldCoder But no contrib tree 00:46 VanessaE (in games/minetest_game/mods) 00:46 khonkhortisan no you post in MODDING GENERAL 00:46 OldCoder Those probably need to be tested and agreed upon 00:46 khonkhortisan then it could get moved to mod releases 00:46 VanessaE but most mods are released and maintained separately from the game 00:46 Tekk_ oh, sorry 00:46 OldCoder NekoGloop, prepare three files: COPYRIGHT LICENSE README 00:46 NekoGloop Well you post in the Modding General and hope to god you get moved to Mod Releases. 00:46 OldCoder You need those three files 00:46 OldCoder Oops 00:46 OldCoder Hold on; my mistake 00:46 leo_rockway back 00:46 khonkhortisan it's just that it's non-intuitive where to release mods, I just want to make sure the information gets around 00:46 OldCoder GitHub is fine 00:47 OldCoder There should be a minetest-mods project 00:47 OldCoder For informal collections of mods 00:47 VanessaE there is :-) 00:47 OldCoder At GitHub? 00:47 VanessaE the forum's "Mod Releases" section 00:47 NekoGloop WHY DO YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND THAT GITHUB CRASHES IE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!???!?!?!?!!?!? 00:47 OldCoder Hmm? 00:47 VanessaE and Jeija is working on an in-game mod manager also 00:47 OldCoder As Rodney Dangerfield used to say: 00:47 VanessaE plus I recall someone else was working on a repository 00:47 OldCoder Rodney: Doctor It hurts when I do this 00:48 OldCoder Doctor: Then don't do that 00:48 VanessaE NekoGloop: use firefox or chromium then 00:48 OldCoder Bad-DUM! 00:48 NekoGloop I rather like IE.... 00:48 NakedFury you use IE? 00:48 Tekk_ you LIKE IE? 00:48 OldCoder NekoGloop, If you wish to start your own GitHub project prepare three text files: CHANGELOG LICENSE README 00:48 khonkhortisan don't like viruses? don't use windows 00:48 Tekk_ NekoGloop: ltierally every web designer on the planet hates you 00:48 NekoGloop I CANT EVEN MAKE AN ACCOUNT ON GITHUB SO SHUT UP ABOUT IT... 00:48 Tekk_ just bear that in mind :P 00:49 OldCoder NekoGloop, Paste some install instructions for us and I'll help 00:49 OldCoder IE just crashes? 00:49 VanessaE IE = pure, uncontrolled, unadulterated evil. 00:49 VanessaE :-) 00:49 OldCoder Plus terrorist threat 00:49 OldCoder Department of Homeland Security said so a few years ago 00:49 NakedFury http://alternativeto.net/software/github/ 00:49 khonkhortisan github isn't completely valid 00:49 VanessaE oh yes, forgot the terrorist angle. oh, and it spreads child porn also. 00:49 NekoGloop Yes, IE just crashes. Continually displaying "For security reasons, framing is not allowed." 00:49 OldCoder Hmm 00:50 Tekk_ ah, microsoft security 00:50 Tekk_ frames might lead to a bad page? turn them off 00:50 OldCoder ? 00:50 OldCoder Frames are turned off everywhere? 00:50 khonkhortisan that's ie's fault if it blocks frames/iframes 00:50 leo_rockway for your security we have turned off your computer 00:50 VanessaE oh yes, and it threatens to turn everyone into $RANDOM_MINORITY that wants to $RANDOM_VERB but can't because it's illegal for them to do so 00:50 NekoGloop Turn what off now? 00:50 khonkhortisan it's not even an incompatability 00:50 khonkhortisan what it should really block is frames to a local address 00:51 OldCoder NekoGloop, is that the actual message? Checking 00:51 NekoGloop That is the actual message. 00:51 NekoGloop well, it doesnt crash but you cant do anything. 00:51 OldCoder What release of IE is it? 00:52 OldCoder I'm not seeing many reports of the issue 00:52 NekoGloop IE 8 because 9 doesnt run on Windows XP. 00:52 OldCoder I have Linux but can run IE7; trying it 00:53 Tekk_ leo_rockway: sec 00:53 Tekk_ it 00:53 Tekk_ 's not liking your id again 00:53 Tekk_ oh wait, did you make it in/ 00:53 NekoGloop Is the server up yet? 00:53 NekoGloop @ TekK_ 00:53 NekoGloop Or however you spell it. :P 00:54 OldCoder My copy of IE7 just hangs on GitHub 00:54 Tekk_ hmm 00:54 Tekk_ still no chests or furnaces 00:54 Tekk_ they work for you leo_rockway ? 00:54 leo_rockway negatory 00:54 Tekk_ must just be something with the current version 00:54 Tekk_ so, we have lumber, nether, and mese on now 00:54 khonkhortisan is that framing message in the website or the browser? 00:55 NekoGloop browser-based popup 00:55 leo_rockway nether wasn't working very well last time I tried it 00:55 OldCoder NekoGloop, Just to close the loop: For a GitHub project, if you get there eventually, you need CHANGELOG (can just say initial release) LICENSE (Can just say MIT/X) and README (which should have install instructions). 00:55 OldCoder Those three files plus the mod including source code. 00:55 NekoGloop Just give me file hoster. :P 00:55 OldCoder O.K. 00:56 OldCoder How about a website for it? 00:56 NekoGloop How about a fle hoster for it? 00:56 * OldCoder shrugs 00:56 OldCoder All right 00:56 Tekk_ leo_rockway: snow is next I guess. do we need a new world for that? 00:56 OldCoder Different hosts have different rules. This is a ZIP file. Is there anything in the ZIP besides text; i.e., is this a binary mod? 00:57 NekoGloop And dont say megaupload. 00:57 OldCoder No 00:57 leo_rockway Tekk_: I don't think so 00:57 Tekk_ good 00:57 khonkhortisan are images counted as binary? 00:57 NekoGloop And it's just some blocks etc., a .lua with some textures I made in like 5 minutes. 00:57 OldCoder No. sendspace works pretty well for anything. 00:57 OldCoder You can use sendspace 00:57 OldCoder Free and don't need to register 00:58 Tekk_ ompldr 00:58 OldCoder Also no megaupload style counters or ads 00:58 OldCoder But 00:58 OldCoder If it is as simple as you say 00:58 OldCoder A website is possible 00:58 leo_rockway gitorious 00:58 OldCoder Write me a readme and I'll make a page for it 00:58 OldCoder Isn't gitorius flaky network-wise? 00:58 Tekk_ people say it is, I never had a problem when I used it 00:58 NekoGloop ... Actually, I'm not even ready to upload. Have some bugs to iron out, as it were. 00:59 OldCoder Options: GitHub, SendSpace, Gitorius, Web page 00:59 OldCoder Choose one or more 00:59 leo_rockway Tekk_: did you put the server now? my client froze me in mid-water 00:59 leo_rockway I can still punch o.o 00:59 Tekk_ nope, server is up 00:59 Tekk_ just your vpn timing out I think 01:00 leo_rockway I'm not on a vpn 01:00 Tekk_ I thought you were using the work vpn 01:00 leo_rockway I was connected to the work VPN on the work laptop's VM. 01:00 leo_rockway this is my laptop. 01:00 leo_rockway and I'm off work already 01:00 Tekk_ so dinner was eating + going home? 01:00 Tekk_ you're normally gone for a whilue 01:01 leo_rockway Tekk_: I said "I'm WFH" 01:01 leo_rockway working from home 01:01 Tekk_ ah 01:02 Tekk_ come to me 01:02 Tekk_ ton of clay 01:02 leo_rockway I'm not online :S 01:03 leo_rockway Tekk_: my sister is torrenting -.- 01:03 leo_rockway which renders my connection unusable 01:03 Tekk_ that explains it 01:03 leo_rockway since, you know, I'm on a spic connection... 01:03 khonkhortisan How do I set the text of a link on the minetest forum? 01:04 Tekk_ we have 4.5 stacks of clay 01:04 NekoGloop Now I just need to make this rainbow block be craftable from unifieddyes colors, and nyancat / nyancat's rainbow from that. 01:06 leo_rockway Tekk_: I just killed my sister's ktorrent. Does that make me a scumbag? o.o 01:07 Tekk_ no 01:07 Tekk_ she should be using transmission anyway o.o 01:07 leo_rockway -.- 01:07 khonkhortisan don't torrents restart easily? 01:07 roboman2444 yup 01:07 Tekk_ or at least the ktorrent plasmoid 01:07 leo_rockway khonkhortisan: I killed the application 01:07 leo_rockway Tekk_: the problem is the bandwidth, not the application 01:07 leo_rockway also, the plasmoid does nothing if you're not running the client 01:07 Tekk_ I know, but ktorrent is really nasty looking 01:07 leo_rockway no, it's awesome 01:07 Tekk_ so I always used the plasmoid to monitor 01:08 leo_rockway she said "you were working all day and I couldn't download anything" 01:08 leo_rockway but I couldn't even ssh into the server -.- 01:08 Tekk_ you should teach her to bandwith limit some times 01:08 leo_rockway she does 01:08 Tekk_ at least you're considerate when you torrent 01:09 leo_rockway but she still sends petitions 01:09 leo_rockway many petitions to the users, even if they don't send her packets 01:09 leo_rockway we have lousy internet 01:09 leo_rockway so that alone kills my connection, I'm guessing 01:10 khonkhortisan I went straight from modem to fiber optic so my internet is great! 01:11 NekoGloop I use a modem and my internet is great! :D 01:11 Tekk_ leo_rockway: wasn't even getting 56k earlier :/ 01:11 leo_rockway this is 3mbps... o.0 01:11 leo_rockway 32KB/s upload -.- 01:12 leo_rockway I pay 50 dollars for cable TV + cablemodem 384KB/s - 32KB/s 01:13 NekoGloop Which is weakest, {cracky=3} or {cracky=1} for nodes? 01:13 Tekk_ leo_rockway: we need to take the server down to add ourselves as admins 01:13 Tekk_ so that we can fake being able to cook this clay 01:13 NakedFury never understood that Neko 01:13 NekoGloop So noone knows? 01:13 NakedFury check Mese 01:13 NakedFury I THINK lower number is harder 01:14 leo_rockway Tekk_: this pisses me off. Why can't we operate the furnace right now? >.< 01:14 Tekk_ dunno 01:14 Tekk_ anyone else having this issue? 01:15 NekoGloop not me. 01:15 NekoGloop Not on a server either. 01:16 VanessaE I've only used the furnaces under 0.4.1, not 0.4.2, but they work fine for me? 01:16 Tekk_ okay, edited the recipe to not need furnaces 01:16 Tekk_ VanessaE: it's only reproduced in multiplayer 01:17 VanessaE in 0.4.2? 01:17 Tekk_ in today's git 01:18 khonkhortisan then I should update 01:18 VanessaE have you filed a bug report? 01:18 Tekk_ leo_rockway: just put clay in your crafting area to make bricks 01:18 VanessaE current git master is still showing the 0.4.2-rc1 release as the last commit 01:18 Tekk_ VanessaE: no, I want to make sure it's not just us first 01:18 Tekk_ but none of the right click to use things are working 01:19 VanessaE odd 01:20 khonkhortisan I'm using https://github.com/celeron55/ minetest.git and minetest_game/ 01:20 Tekk_ leo_rockway: server is up and we have 114 bricks 01:20 VanessaE got a 0.4.2 server I can try it on? 01:20 Tekk_ tekk.com.ar 01:20 Tekk_ is having the problems 01:20 Tekk_ default port 01:20 VanessaE trying... 01:21 khonkhortisan hello Tekk 01:21 VanessaE your timber mod is outdated 01:21 VanessaE no dropped entities :( 01:21 leo_rockway no timber yet, I think 01:21 Tekk_ no, it's my hand rolled one 01:25 VanessaE well that's my first online experience with 0.4.2. At least it works anyway :-) 01:25 khonkhortisan what happens if the server comes back but I didn't leave? 01:25 VanessaE Tekk_: that was weird though re: the chests 01:25 leo_rockway VanessaE: did you try the chest / furnace? 01:25 leo_rockway furnace too 01:26 Tekk_ VanessaE: definitely 01:26 Tekk_ leo_rockway: yeah, they failed to work 01:26 VanessaE leo_rockway: yeah, I made a furnace, worked fine, but one tekk placed din't until he moved it 01:26 Tekk_ until placed again 01:26 leo_rockway huh 01:26 leo_rockway the chests are still not working? 01:26 Tekk_ they all work now 01:26 leo_rockway weird 01:26 leo_rockway are we admins yet? 01:26 Tekk_ oh, how was the lag VanessaE and khonkhortisan? 01:27 Tekk_ leo_rockway: no, haven't set your config 01:27 Tekk_ we don't need admin 01:27 Tekk_ the furnaces work 01:27 VanessaE I didn't see any lag for a minute or so I was on 01:27 leo_rockway Tekk_: just wondering 01:27 Tekk_ good 01:27 khonkhortisan I didn't notice any lag because I didn't do anything 01:27 leo_rockway Tekk_: I'm already super fast anyway 01:28 khonkhortisan there's a little lag between when I place something and when it disappears from my inventory but it's not much 01:28 leo_rockway cy1 was explaining that last night 01:28 Tekk_ good. running it on my home connection so I wanted to know how it behaved 01:28 leo_rockway MT keeps track of all your actions 01:28 leo_rockway and tries to work them backwards if you do it too fast 01:29 leo_rockway kind of a limit on cheaters 01:29 leo_rockway which makes things lag even more 01:31 leo_rockway well, I can't connect 01:32 Tekk_ you're failing to emerge again 01:32 Tekk_ simple server restart 01:32 Tekk_ done 01:32 khonkhortisan are the clouds the same for everyone or per-client? 01:33 leo_rockway clouds are configurable: 2d or 3d. 01:33 leo_rockway per client 01:34 khonkhortisan yes but their locations 01:34 leo_rockway Tekk_: trying again 01:34 Tekk_ leo_rockway: I think your sister started again 01:34 cy1 gronk? 01:34 Tekk_ but at least you're not failing to emerge 01:35 khonkhortisan are clouds actually where I think they are or is it the client telling me that? 01:35 cy1 khonkhortisan: it's paranoid servers trying to keep you in line that causes that effect. 01:35 cy1 clouds are at 100 01:35 cy1 that's all I know 01:36 leo_rockway Tekk_: she's not using her comp... 01:36 leo_rockway it's my lousy connection 01:36 Tekk_ weird 01:36 leo_rockway no, not weird :S 01:36 leo_rockway Tekk_: I even have trouble maintaining an ssh connection and chatting here. 01:37 Tekk_ D: 01:37 Tekk_ okay, cooking up some sand so that we can have windows 01:40 leo_rockway Tekk_: I can't find my way back o.o 01:40 Tekk_ come towards me 01:40 Tekk_ I think I mya have found somewhere to build 01:44 khonkhortisan even though rain only creates water_flowing it actually makes rivers 01:45 VanessaE I'd love to get a look at this 01:45 VanessaE got a video or so? 01:45 khonkhortisan I can make one 01:49 khonkhortisan xvidcap froze 01:56 khonkhortisan right now it only makes rain near the player. But if it generated further away, you could make a rainwater collection system and provide plumbing for your house. 01:58 NekoGloop Y'know, I uploaded this thing and forgot to add craftable nyancats. :P 01:58 khonkhortisan add it now, before you stick a version number on it 02:05 khonkhortisan lake -> steam -> cloud -> snow -> river -> lake possibly in the future 02:08 khonkhortisan VanessaE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0ukOAjfuhE 02:08 NekoGloop version 0.0.0-beta1 just doesnt have craftable nyancats yet. 02:10 VanessaE khonkhortisan: I'd say you need to tune it a little. flash flood! :-) 02:10 VanessaE not bad though 02:10 khonkhortisan I can't get enough rain in the block to really flood 02:10 khonkhortisan it deletes all the rain when I put too much in 02:11 VanessaE is a falling node the same as an entity? 02:11 VanessaE (e.g. like a falling sand cube) 02:11 NekoGloop Oho, it errors anyway. :P 02:11 khonkhortisan falling sand is an entity 02:11 VanessaE damn 02:12 khonkhortisan sand fell on my two-node-wide drawer and got stuck there and when I punched it I got a health message in the terminal 02:12 VanessaE the video reminds me, I need to update my tex pack for animated water 02:12 bas080 Hey, a question. Can i make minetest man walk slower? 02:12 VanessaE weird 02:13 bas080 Or is that not for lua to decide? 02:13 VanessaE bas080: fill the world with invisible water ;-) 02:13 khonkhortisan invisible water could mess up other mods and fluids 02:13 VanessaE Iw as kidding :-) 02:13 khonkhortisan and slow the server down generating all that stuff 02:14 bas080 is that a hint that i should check the water lua? 02:17 Tekk_ bas080: not for lua to decide aside from water 02:17 Tekk_ otherwise you need to edit your client side code 02:18 Tekk_ the servers don't seem to check, so it works in multiplayer too 02:19 NekoGloop How does one allow for 4x4 crafts w/ workbench mod? 02:19 NekoGloop They just fail for me. 02:20 NekoGloop Aaaanyone? 02:22 khonkhortisan the servers only check if you go too fast 02:22 khonkhortisan I'm not familiar with the workbench mod 02:22 NekoGloop Awh. 02:23 NekoGloop Oh, it appears that "shapeless" typed crafts dont work with the workbench. 02:23 Tekk_ leo_rockway: added charcoal 02:24 khonkhortisan hehe lilypad on lava 02:24 khonkhortisan it doesn't burn 02:27 VanessaE odd, I thought I'd set them to be flammable 02:28 NekoGloop Dont, cuz that's epic :3 02:28 Tekk_ NekoGloop: eh, just add a recipe for an iron lilypad that's non-flammable 02:28 VanessaE actually, they're only supposed to be able to spawn on water 02:32 NekoGloop http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=35664#p35664 My mod. Melt your face. :3 02:33 VanessaE cute! 02:33 NekoGloop Oh, my evil sticks and evil blocks arent in the topic. 02:33 VanessaE Can you reformat the subject line please? 02:34 NekoGloop The fact the evil stick doesnt generate right reminded me. 02:34 VanessaE [Mod] GloopBlocks Mod [0.0.0-b1][gloopblocks] might work 02:34 VanessaE (with the "0.4.2 confirmed" part in the body of the first post) 02:35 leo_rockway Tekk_: the MT community seems to like WTFPL a lot o.o 02:35 Tekk_ they think it's funny, I think 02:36 * VanessaE pokes NekoGloop 02:36 leo_rockway yeah... and I can't log in again. 02:36 * NekoGloop is poked >.> 02:36 VanessaE NekoGloop: ^^^ re: subject line 02:36 leo_rockway Tekk_: I ticked the option "only use microtorrent protocol and leave my TCP stack alone" in my sister's ktorrent 02:37 leo_rockway and I restarted it 02:37 NekoGloop IM GETTING THERE. >.> 02:37 VanessaE We have a moderately strict standard regarding subject lines for mod releases. This will enable me to move it to Mod Releases when it's ready. :-) 02:37 * leo_rockway sprays water on NekoGloop 02:37 NekoGloop GIVE ME TWO MINUTES TOPS. 02:38 * NekoGloop hisses at the water 02:38 NekoGloop Kitty no like!! D:< 02:38 VanessaE NekoGloop: can you also add glass stairs/slabs? 02:38 VanessaE (/panels/wall-slabs) 02:39 NekoGloop I couldnt get panels and wallslabs to work, MT kept erroring when I called stairsplus's functions. 02:39 NekoGloop And I'm working on getting those to work. :3 02:41 leo_rockway NekoGloop: had you programmed before? 02:41 NekoGloop http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=35664#p35664 Melt your face even more. :3 02:41 NekoGloop I've programmed in GML, yes. 02:41 leo_rockway I don't know what GML is. 02:41 NekoGloop GML = Game Maker Language. Used in the Game Maker program. 02:41 leo_rockway I'm asking because I saw a few people who had never programmed before that go for their first programming tasks doing mods. 02:41 leo_rockway I find that awesome. =] 02:42 leo_rockway oh, that rings a bell 02:42 NekoGloop Well, GML is actually surprisingly similar to .lua... 02:42 Tekk_ it's pascal derived, you may have heard it from me leo_rockway 02:42 Tekk_ I used to use it 02:42 leo_rockway I think MT shows people that programming your own game and making your own community thrive is not something only gurus ca do. 02:42 NekoGloop http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=35664#p35664 @ VanessaE :3 02:42 leo_rockway NekoGloop: I'm not surprised. Lua was meant to be really really easy. 02:42 leo_rockway I'm guessing the people from GML thought the same. 02:43 leo_rockway Tekk_: weird enough, I've never seen a line of Pascal code. 02:43 Tekk_ leo_rockway: nah, gmk was made as a teaching tool 02:43 leo_rockway Tekk_: well, Lua in a way was too. 02:43 Tekk_ it was made by mark overmars, who's known for stuff like automated cars. he made it to teach a game programming class 02:43 leo_rockway I still like Python better, though. 02:44 NekoGloop and you can all go eat your snakes as far as I care. :3 02:44 leo_rockway Tekk_: a guy here made Pilas to teach programming. It's basically Python bindings for box2d 02:44 Tekk_ I think you've had me look at it before 02:44 leo_rockway probably 02:44 leo_rockway it's in Spanish, though 02:44 Tekk_ yeah, you wanted to use it for lpc I think 02:44 Tekk_ but being in spanish killed it 02:44 NekoGloop Is noone even downloading/using my mod yet? 02:45 Tekk_ I'm busy looking for that last clay block 02:45 Tekk_ we only need 1 more brick 02:45 NekoGloop lol posting in a chat should have worked... 02:46 * NekoGloop has to go soon, can someone provide some thought on the mod? 02:46 leo_rockway Tekk_: 80 blobs wasn't enough? :S 02:46 leo_rockway I can't log in, or I'd help. 02:47 NekoGloop *coughcough*/giveme default:clay_lump*coughcough* 02:48 NekoGloop Just download the mod and provide critisism here. And I so slaughtered that word. :3 02:48 NekoGloop VanessaE, are you trying the mod? 02:49 NekoGloop And lol, I thought she said grass stairs. Fail. I'll make some glass ones in the morning. 02:49 Tekk_ leo_rockway: nope, I went in and even mined some more 02:49 Tekk_ but we came up 4 clay short 02:50 leo_rockway :S 02:50 Tekk_ I really like the minetest world generator 02:50 leo_rockway I can't log in! 02:50 Tekk_ reminds me of early beta minecraft 02:50 NekoGloop i do too. Especially with moreores. 02:50 VanessaE sorry, had to wander off to start (a late) dinner 02:50 Tekk_ failing to emerge again 02:50 Tekk_ sec 02:50 leo_rockway Tekk_: what does taht mean? 02:50 sdzen i heard the word grass stairs someone using my mod? 02:51 Tekk_ leo_rockway: basically it's an issue with your internet 02:51 NekoGloop I made dirt stairs :3 02:51 leo_rockway mhm 02:51 Tekk_ server restart tends to fi 02:51 Tekk_ x 02:51 NekoGloop They dont grow grass atm 02:53 NekoGloop Uh, a link to my mod for those of you mentally incapable of scrolling up :3 http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=35664#p35664 02:54 NekoGloop Wow 27 views in not even an hour. Sweeeeet~ 02:54 NekoGloop Now I actually have to go. Bye. 02:54 leo_rockway bye 02:55 NekoGloop Bye vanessae :3 02:55 VanessaE I'll look at it more tomorrow 02:55 Tekk_ leo_rockway: found the clay 02:55 VanessaE getting kinda tire 02:55 VanessaE tired 02:56 NekoGloop Well, you need to put a lot of time into it to just get ONE nyancat. :3 9 of each dye, plus 9 wood for the workbench. :3 02:56 VanessaE good :-) 02:56 VanessaE nyancats should be hard to make 02:56 khonkhortisan they should play the song 02:56 NekoGloop And then you need 3 or each dye to make nyancat rainbows :3 02:57 NekoGloop These get put into a rainbow block btw 02:57 NekoGloop Arranged as it says in my forum post. 02:57 VanessaE khonkhortisan: no. just no. 02:57 VanessaE :-) 02:57 NekoGloop nyanyanyannyanynaynanynanynaynyannaynanynaynynaynya 02:57 sdzen yes! 02:57 leo_rockway khonkhortisan: YES! 02:57 khonkhortisan how can you have a nyan cat without the song? that's more wrong 02:57 * NekoGloop could probably make his mod have nyancats that do that... 02:57 leo_rockway BEST 02:58 leo_rockway IDEA 02:58 leo_rockway EVER 02:58 VanessaE That'll be the thing that will make me rip out audio support from my build :-) 02:58 NekoGloop gtg guys :3 See you tomorrow :3 02:58 sdzen no crafting them though huge dungeon you walk in it appears overything turns blue it starts singing the song 02:58 sdzen everything* 02:58 VanessaE ciao, neko 02:58 khonkhortisan it'll be an anti-greifing mechanism, just put them in your house, the song will keep people away 02:58 sdzen things start exploding around you 02:59 NekoGloop The song will keep people away lol 02:59 VanessaE haha 03:10 leo_rockway Tekk_: I give up for now 03:22 Tekk_ leo_rockway: house is done 03:35 leo_rockway Tekk_: neat 03:35 Tekk_ wanna try again to look around? 03:36 leo_rockway I'm trying to connect 03:36 leo_rockway I actually input my password in Caroline's chat 03:37 leo_rockway so now she knows my default easy password 03:39 Tekk_ failing to emerge again 03:39 Tekk_ server restart 03:39 Tekk_ back up 03:41 Tekk_ leo_rockway: any luck? 03:41 leo_rockway nope 04:17 leo_rockway afkael: \ø 04:17 afkael leo_rockway.. 04:18 afkael ? 04:18 leo_rockway hola 04:30 afkael Hola!!! 05:05 * Dan68 waves to cy1 05:21 cy1 Dan68: hey! 05:23 Dan68 Do you know thefinn93? 05:24 Dan68 Possibly from BrainSilo 05:31 cy1 Dan68: yes we've met! I met him first on hyperboria. 05:31 cy1 I didn't come to the open house today because.... ....... .... meh! next week. 05:31 cy1 oh actually 05:32 cy1 Dan68: unfortunately I can't say for sure without his public key fingerprint. thefinn93 could be anyone! 05:32 cy1 human words != unique identifier 05:33 Dan68 lol 05:33 Dan68 well 05:34 cy1 anyway so yeah I know him 05:34 Dan68 funny seeing ya here 05:34 Dan68 your into Minetest? 05:34 cy1 considering this is the only good open source mmo, not so surprising 05:34 Dan68 lol 05:34 cy1 needs mesh support :T 05:35 cy1 well, client provided content in general 05:35 Dan68 It looks pretty interesting, having played it before 05:35 cy1 second life is not dead. we can remake him! we have the technology! 05:35 * Dan68 looks for ttk2 05:35 Dan68 lol 05:36 Dan68 ttk2 has plans for minetest 05:36 Tekk_ Dan68: you want to annoy him too? 05:36 Tekk_ wait, are you bluedan? 05:36 Dan68 lol 05:36 cy1 oh, what was that fantasy mmo you wanted me to check out? Not that 2D one terraria or something 05:36 cy1 ? 05:37 Dan68 ttk2 is the server admin for civcraft, the 2k user minecrafft server 05:37 Tekk_ XD 05:37 Tekk_ "2k user" 05:37 cy1 ah minecraft... 05:37 cy1 won't run on my machine, plus SO closed source 05:37 Tekk_ maybe 150 users 05:37 cy1 "you aren't allowed to download this only the program that downloads it" 05:37 Dan68 lol tekk, go look at /r/civcraft 05:37 cy1 "which is itself bytecode" 05:37 Dan68 lol cy1 05:38 Tekk_ Dan68: doesn't mean that they all play 05:38 Dan68 that is one of my issues with it 05:38 Dan68 eh 05:38 Dan68 they have a very active subreddit 05:38 cy1 le reddit <3 05:38 Tekk_ yeah, but really we don't have a ton of posters 05:38 Dan68 and a dozen developers to play with 05:38 Tekk_ tends to be ancaps bitching about "aggressors" 05:39 Dan68 lol 05:39 Tekk_ course, I'm biased there since kizantium doesn't follow the nap.. 05:39 Dan68 anyway, ttk2 wants to do a whole tech tree & tons of other interesting things with minetest 05:40 Dan68 idk if minetest supports ipv6 05:40 Tekk_ yeah, I was going to ask him what he needs to move civcraft to minetest when he comes around 05:40 Dan68 minecraft has partial support 05:40 Tekk_ I'd love to see a better performing civcraft 05:40 Dan68 lolyep 05:41 Dan68 the server he is running civcraft on has a ton of resources for minecraft to use, but it doesn't max out anything oddly 05:41 Dan68 I attribute it to minecraft being java based 05:42 Tekk_ it definitely maxes the server out 05:42 Dan68 lol 05:42 Dan68 its never used more than 14.7gb of ram 05:42 Dan68 and it has 32gb of ram to play with 05:43 Dan68 it never maxes out the processors 05:43 cy1 32gb of RAM is way too much 05:43 Dan68 it doesn't go anywhere near maing out the gigabit connection it has 05:43 cy1 entire minetest maps don't even get bigger than a tenth of a gigabyte 05:43 Dan68 lol 05:43 Dan68 that is why minetest is great 05:43 Tekk_ yet we still have the server crashing 05:43 cy1 take you longer to load up the 32gb of RAM than it's worth 05:43 Tekk_ and the server maxed out 05:44 Dan68 lolyeah 05:44 cy1 that's not RAM that's a solid state disk drive! 05:44 Dan68 lol cy1 05:44 Dan68 even uppit has 16gb of ram 05:44 Dan68 not to say it uses it 05:44 Dan68 but ram is cheap 05:45 cy1 cheap-ish... 05:45 Dan68 that 16gb of ddr ecc ram was $20 05:45 cy1 what frequency? o.O 05:45 Dan68 it was a question of why not 05:45 Dan68 oh, idk 05:45 Dan68 its only a dual opteron 242 05:46 Dan68 I need totakeit offline & do some updates 05:46 Dan68 its bios makes ubuntu cry 05:46 cy1 ._. 05:46 Dan68 as in the bios is partially corrupt 05:46 Dan68 luckly I can pop the chip that contians its bios out 05:47 Dan68 and swap it with another one 05:47 Tekk_ coreboot compatible? :D 05:47 Dan68 lolno 05:47 Tekk_ shame 05:47 Dan68 nothing supports coreboot 05:47 Tekk_ amd made a promise to make their boards support coreboot a while ago, iirc 05:47 Dan68 and I want all the features that ubuntu can tap, not just a few 05:49 Tekk_ do you still play civcraft, Dan68? 05:49 Dan68 also need to reinstall the whole machine, I should bug finn about that 05:49 Dan68 Tekk_: na, never did actually 05:49 Tekk_ ah 05:49 Dan68 I ran into ttk2 through hocnet 05:50 Dan68 and then I pointed him at this 05:50 Dan68 and he was all "OMG this is the best!" 05:55 Dan68 tekk_/cy1: funny running into both of ya here 05:55 Tekk_ why is that? 05:55 Dan68 oh, just cause 05:56 Dan68 it is interesting that we all share similar interests 05:56 Tekk_ maybe not strictly. I was more interested in civcraft for the gameplay aspect than the trying things out 05:57 Tekk_ definitely didn't end up where I thought I would, though 05:57 cy1 I'm interested in the building aspect and cool techniques 05:57 cy1 like auto-building 05:57 Tekk_ self assembling stuff could be awesome 05:57 Dan68 auto-building? 05:57 Dan68 is that supported? 05:58 VanessaE cornernote and mauvebic did a few things like that 05:58 VanessaE plant one object, a larger one springs up in its place 05:58 Dan68 mmm 05:58 * Dan68 likes the idea 05:58 VanessaE mauvebics was not unlike sprouting trees 05:58 Dan68 seems more extensible than minecraft 05:59 Tekk_ definitely 05:59 VanessaE I forget how cornernote (if it was him, I'm not sure) did his bit with the castles 05:59 Tekk_ where extensibility is exposed 05:59 VanessaE absolutely 06:00 Tekk_ Dan68: in minetest, simple mods are REALLY trivial 06:00 Dan68 yeah 06:00 Tekk_ lack of charcoal was annoying me, the mod to add it is 1 line 06:00 Dan68 I really wish the water acted a bit more like water though 06:04 Dan68 but meh, close enough for me 06:06 Dan68 tekk_: that is awesome, if I were a bit better at changing things without breaking them when I develop things I'd go at it, but I'm a newb in that sense 06:06 * Dan68 clings to his hardware 06:07 Tekk_ don't worry about that too much, lua gives good information 06:07 Tekk_ if it's of the crash variety 06:07 Tekk_ otherwise, I really wish someone made a lua console for this :P 06:07 Tekk_ it'd make mod development a lot easier 06:12 Dan68 lolyep 06:16 Tekk_ rule #1: minetest or minecraft, ladders hate you 06:17 VanessaE ladders hate you? 06:17 Tekk_ yes 06:17 VanessaE ladders are only useful as stops at the bottom of a sneak elevator :-) 06:17 Tekk_ you always seem to fall off when you don't have the hearts to spare on fall damage :) 06:18 Dan68 lol 06:22 cy1 Tekk_: minetest has elevators, much better than ladders :3 06:22 cy1 (no not really) 06:24 VanessaE minetest has bugs that lots of people use. c55 would have to be monumentally stupid to fix them :-) 06:26 Dan68 lol 06:26 Dan68 why not fix them & implement what they did as real features? 06:27 VanessaE because nothing would be gained? :-) 06:27 Dan68 lol 06:28 Dan68 they wouldn't be "bugs" 06:28 Dan68 but 06:28 Dan68 it would add code that is unnecessary 06:52 cy1 Dan68: Some that they've fixed include the bug allowing you to move arbitrarily fast. People used it when a server was lagging, so their normal movement seemed to come in super fast bursts. The "fix" involves teleporting you backwards frequently until you accidentally walk off the edge of a cliff you passed a while ago and die. 06:52 cy1 Another fix is the thing to keep players from digging stuff "too fast" 06:53 Dan68 lolololololol 06:53 cy1 The server replays all player dig actions itself, to make sure that they're legit. 06:53 Tekk_ hey, anyone know how you get a nether pearl? 06:53 leo_rockway http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1710 06:53 leo_rockway that one? 06:53 cy1 So you end up digging a ton of stuff at normal rate, then the server replaces all the blocks and you have to stand there and watch while an invisible ghost of yourself mysteriously redigs everything over the next 10 minutes. 06:54 cy1 Then the server loses track and 80% of the blocks you actually dug never get dug. Your tool still gets worn out though. It's a feature! :p 06:54 cy1 So forgive me if I'm not excited to hear of c55 finding some amazing "fix" to stop elevators from making people happy. 06:55 cy1 the recent "fix" to help you fall to your death EVEN WHILE SNEAKING, when a laggy server or your own misclick deletes the block under you is especially ungratifying. 06:56 cy1 I actually rolled that one back because goddamn. 06:56 cy1 Nobody uses my minetest though. u_u 06:56 VanessaE Marketing. :-) 06:57 VanessaE you need to promote it as "better" somehow :-) 06:57 cy1 It's a losing battle trying to get rid of all these horrible fixes anyway. 06:57 cy1 I had just got auto-item collection working, when suddenly construction got nerfed. 06:57 cy1 Someone else has been doing a (better) auto-item collection anyway. But still... 07:14 VanessaE bbl 08:22 PilzAdam good morning 08:32 jin_xi morning 08:54 PilzAdam I have just released my Minecraft like drop/pick up mod: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=35725#p35725 08:54 PilzAdam could a moderator please move it to mod releases? 09:13 sfan5 PilzAdam: version number missing 09:15 PilzAdam added 09:18 sfan5 moved 09:19 sfan5 btw: nice mod 09:19 PilzAdam thanks 09:51 magicdolphin hi 09:52 magicdolphin i built an underwater tunnel, its all sealed but i cant seem to get the water out 09:52 magicdolphin i tried a bucket, but it just fills back up 10:04 sfan5 magicdolphin: use torches 10:25 PilzAdam New version of the carts mod released 11:01 * Calinou_ says happy birthday to his minetest forum account (2 days late) 11:03 Calinou thexyz, http://servers.minetest.ru/ 11:03 Calinou ^ remove down server 11:03 Calinou Made By Keegan(R) as usual 11:06 thexyz this one was added today 11:49 cornernote pistons cant point up ? 12:31 PilzAdam cornernote: nope 12:51 bas080 http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2619 << waiting 13:59 Calinou > confusing 13:59 Calinou > looks like a virus site 13:59 Calinou > not everyone has adblock 13:59 Calinou > firefox sucks ;) 13:59 PilzAdam nope 13:59 Calinou NekoGloop, nevermind :P 13:59 NekoGloop No, tell me. :P 13:59 Calinou thought you made a mod with random colored blocks 13:59 Calinou only 50000000 people did that kind of mod 14:00 NekoGloop http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=35664#p35664 14:00 NekoGloop Dirt/gravel stairs, as well as cement and matching stairs/slabs, and somethings that are not currently working. 14:00 NekoGloop Lemme update, thanks for reminding me. 14:01 thexyz Calinou: what browser do you use? 14:02 Calinou that shitty upload site tried to make me download "setup.exe" 14:02 Calinou <_< 14:02 Calinou ...I was on my debian 14:03 Calinou thexyz, chromium 14:03 Calinou dirt stairs 14:03 Calinou how realistic 14:03 Calinou gravel stairs, not falling 14:03 Calinou :3 14:03 thexyz there is adblock for chromium 14:03 Calinou yes and? 14:03 Calinou it's still a shitty upload site 14:03 thexyz use it. 14:03 Calinou doesn't solve anything 14:04 Calinou I didn't find the ACTUAL fucking download button 14:04 thexyz who do care? 14:04 Calinou the MT forums should have a rule about upload sites, imo 14:04 Calinou not forcing everyone into one site, but ad-supported sites should not be allowed 14:04 NekoGloop Uh, my gravel stairs and slabs fall :3 14:05 PilzAdam for some reason i cant upload anything with omploadr and the for other sites you mention i need to sign in 14:05 Calinou NekoGloop, they transform visually as full blocks when falling? 14:05 Calinou there are no nodebox entities 14:05 Calinou :p 14:05 Calinou PilzAdam, you don't have to sign in to ompldr.org 14:05 NekoGloop I dont know. :3 14:06 NekoGloop Give me like half a second :3 14:07 NekoGloop they do fall correctly, and look just like stairs/slabs while doing so. 14:07 NekoGloop And did I mention craftable nyancats? 14:08 NekoGloop From 9 of my rainbow blocks. 14:09 NekoGloop http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=35664#p35664 Updated :3 14:10 PilzAdam Calinou: Ive changed all links to ompldr.org 14:11 NekoGloop I fixed the unknown block thing with evil blocks and rainbow blocks. 14:11 Calinou ah, thanks 14:11 sfan5 dropbox is better 14:11 NekoGloop evil sitcks still dont render right but I'm at a loss for that. 14:13 NekoGloop Do craftitem texture have to not be 16x16 or what? 14:13 sfan5 imo no 14:14 NekoGloop But my evil sticks dont load... and its not because of a spelling error 14:16 Calinou convention: textures should be 16x16 whenever possible 14:16 Calinou as this is the default tile size 14:16 NekoGloop I mean for craftitems. 14:17 NekoGloop My "gloopblocks:evil_stick" items dont load "gloopblocks_evil_stick.png" at all. 14:21 NekoGloop Help? 14:45 NekoGloop Hi ray8888, and welcome to #minetest :3 14:45 ray8888 i have been on mine test!!! 14:46 NekoGloop Cool :3 14:47 ray8888 been playing it from 0.2 14:48 NekoGloop I've been playing since 2 days ago :3 14:56 NekoGloop Hello SpeedProg and welcome to #minetest :3 14:56 SpeedProg ? 14:57 SpeedProg I'm hanging around here since there where like 5ppl 14:59 NekoGloop Well none of them are talking. 14:59 NekoGloop Could you help me with a glitch in my mod? 15:02 * NekoGloop pokes VanessaE :3 15:08 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROdoGff6ovQ&feature=related :34 15:08 NekoGloop :3* 15:13 NekoGloop Why so quiet #minetest? 15:15 sfan5 why not 15:18 NekoGloop Because I have a mod problem :P 15:18 NekoGloop My mod isnt loading its gloopblocks_evil_stick texture right. 15:19 NekoGloop http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2650 15:19 NekoGloop That's the mod. 15:23 NekoGloop ... cough-cough... /giveme gloopblocks:evil_stick :3 15:24 NekoGloop Dummy graphic. :P 15:24 NekoGloop And noone is helping. Yay. 15:26 NekoGloop nvm, I got it to work :3 15:26 NekoGloop Or not. O.o 15:29 NekoGloop Anyone got any ideas? 15:30 NekoGloop Oh. Forgot to put the .png... 15:30 * NekoGloop baka :P 15:32 NekoGloop next up: Evil Tools :3 15:49 NekoGloop Er... Can someone explain to me the format of the tools' metadata or whatever you call it? 16:16 MiJyn hi 16:17 Calinou hi 16:17 * Calinou fills MiJyn with a memory leak 16:17 PilzAdam hi 16:17 * MiJyn does not fix it, and gracefully returns it back to Calinou 16:17 * Calinou uses valgrind to cut MiJyn and sees another memory leak 16:18 * MiJyn has a shield against valgrind; JAVA! 16:18 MiJyn awesomest language EVAR :P 16:19 PilzAdam yes 16:19 thexyz java? awesome? 16:19 PilzAdam yes 16:19 MiJyn yes 16:19 MiJyn java is awesome 16:19 PilzAdam yes 16:19 thexyz com.ololo.short.names.are.too.boring 16:19 PilzAdam JAVA!!!! 16:20 MiJyn You know why so many good projects are written in Java? 16:20 thexyz is that important? 16:20 MiJyn People work on the project, not on a socket connection library or a line drawing function 16:20 thexyz you know, how much project is written into php 16:20 thexyz it doesn't make php a good language 16:20 MiJyn nono 16:21 PilzAdam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JZnj4eNHXE 16:21 MiJyn I'm saying that in general, java apps are quicker to write, and are usually awesomer than other apps because they spend all of their time working on the PROJECT, not on LIBRARIES 16:21 PilzAdam Java is not just a language, its a platform 16:22 thexyz what do you mean by "working on the PROJECT, not on LIBRARIES" 16:22 thexyz java is not only language that can use libraries, you know? 16:22 Tekk_ thexyz: basically the java standard library has everythign you could possibly need 16:22 MiJyn thexyz, people don't have to worry about writing libraries for the project 16:22 MiJyn they just work on the PROJECT 16:22 Tekk_ instead of either looking for a good library or writing your own 16:23 MiJyn even python needs some libraries written from the user 16:23 MiJyn or included 16:23 MiJyn Java is filled with libraries 16:23 Tekk_ which is why it takes roughly 5 days to start up 16:23 thexyz oh, if THAT is the case you have chosen java 16:24 PilzAdam if i have the java development kid i can make gui and everything i want, if i have a c compiler i cant do that; i have to search for libaries etc. 16:24 Tekk_ no you don't, curses comes with any decent toolchain :P 16:25 MiJyn Tekk_ LOL, Curses is terrible 16:25 thexyz yes, you can make shitty-looking gui 16:25 thexyz that looks non-native 16:25 Tekk_ MiJyn: yeah, I know 16:25 thexyz & feels non-native too 16:25 MiJyn PilzAdam yep, that's why I love it! Java.awt FTW! 16:25 Tekk_ thexyz: actually some people consider that a bonus 16:25 MiJyn thexyz, sure, but it's good 16:25 MiJyn it's easy 16:25 Tekk_ because it gives a uniform look and feel across platforms 16:25 MiJyn and it works 16:26 thexyz uniform shitty look across platforms 16:26 Tekk_ ....why am I defending java 16:26 thexyz still better than nothing 16:26 Tekk_ I hate that language 16:26 PilzAdam microsoft never called java a language; they always call it a platform; and a platform is more than just a language 16:27 thexyz what is "platform"? 16:27 thexyz why java is a platform? 16:27 PilzAdam because they bring all the basic libaries with the default development kit 16:28 thexyz what is "basic libraries"? 16:28 PilzAdam for example: swing (the gui libaries) are cross platform gui designs, so they are a own platform 16:29 MiJyn the AWT library is it's best 16:29 thexyz ok, any other advantages? 16:29 PilzAdam awt is NOT cross platform 16:30 PilzAdam thats why they made swing 16:30 PilzAdam thexyz: java is COMPLETLY objective oriented 16:31 thexyz completly? 16:31 PilzAdam except 8 primitice data types 16:31 thexyz that means, even if i don't need any oop? 16:31 PilzAdam *primitice 16:31 PilzAdam *primitive 16:31 PilzAdam yes you always need a class 16:32 thexyz oh, awesome advantage 16:32 thexyz but, wait... 16:32 PilzAdam that is way better than c++ 16:33 Calinou 918 textures in misa pack \o/ 16:33 thexyz how can that be better? 16:33 thexyz now for me it seems that in c++ you can choose whether to use oop or not 16:33 Calinou thexyz: java is COMPLETLY objective oriented 16:33 Calinou 1) it's object not objective 16:33 Calinou 2) java sucks 16:33 Calinou 3) java sucks 16:33 thexyz 4) goto 2 16:34 PilzAdam is that again a "protip" 16:34 thexyz what? 16:34 PilzAdam ohh you use "goto" i see: basic 16:34 Calinou com.ololo.short.names.are.too.boring 16:34 Calinou how true :p 16:34 thexyz basic? 16:34 Calinou You know why so many good projects are written in Java? 16:34 thexyz that explains a lot 16:34 Calinou TIL minecraft is a good project 16:35 thexyz have you tried any other languages except java & basic? :P 16:35 MiJyn Calinou, yep, it's good 16:35 MiJyn thexyz, I HAVE 16:35 * Calinou got unbanned from #minecraft :D 16:35 thexyz which ones? 16:35 PilzAdam thexyz: yes 16:35 Tekk_ MiJyn: actually I'm curious 16:35 Calinou MiJyn, terribly slow, CPU/RAM/bandwidth-eating server 16:35 Tekk_ what good projects are written in java? 16:35 Calinou (that could actually be partly fixed, yes, the server part) 16:35 PilzAdam thexyz: c, pascal, c++ (a bit) 16:36 Calinou pascal. lol 16:36 PilzAdam all MY projects are written in java 16:36 PilzAdam we learned pascal at school 16:37 Tekk_ pascal seems interesting 16:37 Tekk_ never done it myself 16:37 Tux-Tn \o/ 16:37 PilzAdam pascal is REALY bad 16:37 thexyz btw 16:37 Tux-Tn hello folks 16:37 thexyz what algorithms does java standard library has? 16:38 Tux-Tn so u are discussing about shitty programming languages 16:38 PilzAdam http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/ 16:38 Tekk_ probably has all of your standard sorts under search.john.gosling.hates.humanity.more.words. 16:38 Tekk_ * 16:39 PilzAdam Calinou, Tekk_ & thexyz: do you ever have programmed with java? 16:40 Tekk_ PilzAdam: yes 16:40 PilzAdam and you still dont like it? 16:40 Tekk_ nope 16:40 PilzAdam do you like c++? 16:40 Tekk_ I use either C or python for pretty much everything 16:40 Tekk_ I hate c++ 16:40 thexyz PilzAdam: i have only read something about it.. 16:41 thexyz for example, sort that can work O(n^2) time 16:41 PilzAdam Tekk_: so you dont like object orientation at all? 16:41 Tekk_ PilzAdam: generally speaking no 16:42 Tekk_ I don't find it particularly useful 16:42 PilzAdam ok that explains a lot 16:43 PilzAdam thexyz: you should try java 16:43 thexyz java is not OOP, but OOOP language 16:43 thexyz first one is for "overly" 16:44 PilzAdam if you have a OO language and its not completly OO (like c++) its not so powerfull like java 16:45 thexyz in which way java is more powerful than, say, C++? 16:46 MiJyn you know what I'd like? 16:46 PilzAdam i think powerful is the wrong word; i mean java has a different kind of "logic" 16:46 MiJyn C++ with Java-like importing, Java libraries, and auto-garbage-collection 16:46 Tekk_ MiJyn: so D? 16:46 MiJyn I like C++ pointers, #definitions 16:46 MiJyn D? 16:47 Tekk_ the D language 16:47 MiJyn I know 16:47 MiJyn does it do that? 16:47 Tekk_ pretty much 16:47 MiJyn wow 16:47 Tekk_ compiles to native code, doesn't use java libraries themselves 16:47 Tekk_ but the standard library is really big 16:47 thexyz what is wrong with garbage? 16:47 thexyz is delete/free too hard? 16:47 Tekk_ thexyz: are you seriously defending forced manual? 16:48 Tekk_ even the UNIX guys gave up on that 30 years ago 16:49 Calinou got banned again @ #minecraft -_- 16:49 thexyz Tekk_: no, but it's better than non-working auto garbage collector 16:50 thexyz better say "sometimes non-working" 16:50 thexyz or working not as intented 16:50 Calinou garbage collectors suck and are for lazy people 16:50 Calinou lazy people = notch & friends 16:50 thexyz * intended 16:51 Tekk_ thexyz: which is why in a low level language like D/go/rust/etc. you tend to want optional manual 16:51 Tekk_ if the gc isn't working very well on an object, mark it as manual or whatever and have a stab at managing it yourself 16:51 Tekk_ (I know D does this) 16:51 PilzAdam if you have a language like java a garbage collector works pretty good 16:52 thexyz yes, that can be a good solution 16:52 PilzAdam but if you have c with all the pointers i can understand when the gc dont work 16:52 thexyz of course it doesn't work 16:52 thexyz because there is no garbage collection in c 16:53 Tekk_ what are you talking about...? 16:53 Tekk_ PilzAdam: internally in all of those languages you're talking about, every object is a pointer 16:53 Tekk_ generally 16:53 PilzAdam yes but you cant modifie the java pointer like the c pointer 16:54 Calinou "java is like disallowing cars because people die in them (crashes), forcing everyone to use the train instead" 16:54 Calinou ~RaZgRiZ 16:54 Tekk_ PilzAdam: the solution to that is to build a better language 16:54 Tekk_ where you don't need to use pointers for everything 16:55 PilzAdam Calinou: in c there are no cars because it has no objects 16:55 Tekk_ assuming it's even a problem(I'm definitely not an expert on garbage collection..) 16:55 Tekk_ PilzAdam: structs and function pointers :D 16:55 thexyz ok, now i know that java a) has bloa^Wpowerful default library b) has gc; anything else? 16:55 thexyz why do you compare java with c? 16:56 thexyz better to compare it with some asm 16:56 thexyz java would have even more advantages 16:56 PilzAdam thexyz: cross platform compatible 16:56 thexyz really? 16:56 PilzAdam yes 16:57 PilzAdam java works on every system that has a JRE installed 16:57 thexyz so, that "written once, runs everywhere" 16:57 PilzAdam exactly 16:57 thexyz how can i launch some mobile application on my PC then? 16:57 Tekk_ thexyz: actually someone built a dalvik vm that runs in user space gnu/linux iirc 16:58 PilzAdam what mobile apps? 16:58 NekoGloop My evil tools are going to be stronger than mese but break very quickly :3 16:58 thexyz some old-fashioned j2me .jars 16:58 NekoGloop Gravel tools are averages values between stone and steel. :3 16:59 thexyz btw, "saying that java is good because it works on any platform is like saying that anal sex is good because it works on all genders" 16:59 Calinou how original 16:59 Calinou DIRT TOOLS!1!1!1!1! 16:59 NekoGloop lol I was going to make dirt tools that are weaker than wood :3 16:59 PilzAdam thexyz: ive heard something about the libaries on the mobile things. They use the "old" jre 2 and some extra libaries 17:03 thexyz boring =( 17:04 NekoGloop Anyone have any ideas for my mod before I upload this version? 17:04 thexyz what mod? 17:05 NekoGloop This mod: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2650 17:05 NekoGloop Evil tools, Cement tools, WORKING Evil Sticks/Blocks and Rainbow Blocks are already in :3 17:06 PilzAdam i have nothing against your mod, NekoGloop, but all these mods are kind of boring 17:06 NekoGloop Keep in mind it's my first :3 17:07 NekoGloop I might add some unique blocks later. 17:07 thexyz btw, PilzAdam, did you try to add workbench to your minitest modpack:? 17:07 Calinou how original 17:07 Calinou awesome textures too 17:07 thexyz and make inventory crafting grid 2×2 17:07 Calinou also: screenshots please :P 17:07 Calinou "no pics no clicks" < remember this 17:07 NekoGloop What is the best image hosting site? 17:07 NekoGloop e.g. one I can directly show images from. 17:07 thexyz imgur.com 17:08 Calinou haha NekoGloop you created your account on 2012-08-01 17:08 Calinou I created mine on 2011-08-01 17:08 Calinou :3 17:08 NekoGloop :3 17:08 Calinou yep, imgur.com is nice... ompldr.org works too 17:08 PilzAdam thexyz: i tried to make the inventory crafting grid 2x2 and then add workbenches but there appear some strange problems 17:08 Calinou and dropbox.com 17:08 thexyz PilzAdam: what problems? 17:08 thexyz Calinou: yes, yes, that one that sometimes disables all public links 17:09 Calinou works for me (since may 2012) 17:09 thexyz just try to post your image on some popular site 17:10 Calinou imgur converts images to jpgs - quality loss 17:10 PilzAdam thexyz: 1.) You can not just say that you want a 2x2 grid from the 3x3 crafting grid. it always shows you the whole 3x3 grid 17:10 Calinou consider using ompldr.org instead if you want quality screenshots :P 17:10 Calinou jpg isn't beneficial for minecraft-style games... pixely textures 17:10 NekoGloop How does one take a screenshot? 17:10 PilzAdam thexyz: 2.) if you change the size of the crafting grid you cant craft anything in it 17:10 Tekk_ ah, the great windows screenshot nightmare 17:11 thexyz Calinou: it doesn't for me 17:11 Calinou oh? thought it did 17:11 Calinou NekoGloop, F12 17:11 NekoGloop :3 17:11 Calinou Tekk_, huh 17:11 NekoGloop Just like Game Maker... hmmm... 17:11 Calinou it's saved in minetest_install_folder/bin 17:11 Tekk_ Calinou: oh, I thought you meant a full desktop screenshot 17:11 NekoGloop .lua format seems also very... Game Maker-y 17:12 Calinou why is it a nightmare? 17:12 Calinou GM can go F itself 17:12 Tekk_ which is prtscr, open paint, make a new image the size of your screen resolution, hit paste, save the image 17:12 Calinou Tekk_, harshlinux fanboy much? :p 17:12 Tekk_ unless they fixed that in 7 17:12 Calinou there's a desktop screenshoot tool in windows 17:12 Tekk_ oh nice 17:12 PilzAdam thexyz: did you read the problems? 17:13 thexyz yes 17:14 Tekk_ NekoGloop: lua is completely different from game maker 17:14 Tekk_ the only similarities are in a few keywords 17:14 PilzAdam do you know how to fix it 17:15 thexyz btw 17:15 thexyz just changed it 17:15 thexyz everything seems to work 17:15 PilzAdam giveme code 17:15 thexyz http://i.imgur.com/nneIk.png 17:16 thexyz i just used your "inventory" mod 17:16 thexyz "list[current_player;craft;3,0;2,2;]".. 17:16 thexyz the only change 17:16 PilzAdam i know my mistake: i was in creative mode 17:17 PilzAdam thats the proof: im stupid 17:19 PilzAdam thexyz: ok im not stupid: this dont works. try to craft a torch 17:20 thexyz hm.. 17:20 thexyz that works if you place it like "c. .s" 17:20 thexyz c. 17:20 thexyz .s 17:20 thexyz like this 17:20 PilzAdam yes 17:21 thexyz seems to be a bug 17:21 PilzAdam the last square from the normal 3x3 grid is now in the first place of the second line 17:23 thexyz lol 17:23 thexyz // TODO: Allow different sizes of crafting grids 17:26 Calinou // TODO: do ALL the todos§ 17:26 Calinou s/§/! 17:31 cy1 thexyz: there has been 4x4 and 5x5 crafting grids on glomie's server for weeks now what you you talking about :T 17:31 thexyz cy1: about crafting grid that is located in player's inventory 17:32 cy1 thexyz: seems fishy. why would that get bigger? 17:32 Tekk_ not quite sure if mese is too common or if I have a really good seed.. 17:33 thexyz cy1: wat? i don't need crafting grid in player's inventory to get bigger 17:33 thexyz i want it to be 2×2 17:34 NekoGloop Tell me, has anyone else done FALLING stairs? :3 17:34 thexyz who needs them? 17:35 NekoGloop People doing adventure/challenge maps :3 17:35 Tekk_ you could probably do cool stuff with pistons 17:35 Tekk_ or moving stones 17:35 Tekk_ whatever they're called 17:35 NekoGloop YES, Tekk_ is thinking, unlike the rest of you! 17:35 Tekk_ I just told NekoGloop to do them for consistency thoguh 17:36 PilzAdam im thinking too ...... i think 17:36 Tekk_ the expected behaviour for gravel is to fall, so gravel stairs should fall 17:36 NekoGloop And you can smelt gravel into cement. :3 17:36 Tekk_ maybe you should change the recipe up for that a bit 17:36 NekoGloop Cement doesnt fall :3 17:36 NekoGloop Why, Tekk_? 17:36 Tekk_ mixing gravel with water makes wet cement, then you cook it 17:37 NekoGloop Hm... Maybe. 17:37 PilzAdam you cant make falling gravel staris because you cant make nodeboxes in objects 17:37 NekoGloop So, default:bucket_water? 17:37 VanessaE bucket:bucket_water + gravel + sand 17:37 NekoGloop @PilzAdam: Apparently you can :3 17:37 VanessaE imho. 17:37 VanessaE also, hi 17:37 Tekk_ PilzAdam: if he's saying the stairs fall then I'd say that he can.. 17:37 Tekk_ afternoon VanessaE 17:37 NekoGloop Oh, bucket:bucket_water :3 17:37 NekoGloop Shapeless craft? 17:38 Tekk_ probably 17:38 NekoGloop K :3 17:38 Tekk_ and give the bucket back 17:38 NekoGloop How? 17:38 Tekk_ if you can 17:38 Tekk_ dunno 17:38 NekoGloop Oh, VanessaE, you made your vessels be returned, didnt you? 17:38 NekoGloop How did you do that and does it work with buckets? 17:39 PilzAdam Tekk_: do you want to tell me that you have made nodeboxes in objects? 17:40 Tekk_ PilzAdam: I didn't make the mod, NekoGloop did 17:40 NekoGloop PilzAdam, it works. I think 0.4.2-rc1 figures out nodebox-to-entity stuff. 17:40 PilzAdam giveme code 17:41 NekoGloop HOLD ON, I'M FIXING CEMENT :3 17:41 NekoGloop @VanessaE: You've done stuff with buckets, havent you? How do I make the empty bucket be returned in a craft? 17:42 Tekk_ anyone know the sillicon recipe? 17:42 Tekk_ the imgur link on the forum is broken 17:43 NekoGloop Hello, VanessaE? You there? 17:44 VanessaE I am noiw 17:44 VanessaE had to step away for a minute 17:44 Tekk_ nevermind, pulled it from the source 17:44 NekoGloop How do I make an empty bucket be returned in a craft? 17:44 VanessaE NekoGloop: use the "replacements =" option in your crafting recipe 17:44 NekoGloop Didnt know about that. What do I set it to? 17:44 VanessaE minetest.register_craft( { 17:44 VanessaE type = "shapeless", 17:44 VanessaE output = blah 17:44 VanessaE recipe = { 17:45 VanessaE blah 17:45 VanessaE } 17:45 VanessaE , 17:45 VanessaE replacements = { {'bucket:bucket_water', 'bucket:bucket_empty'}, }, 17:45 VanessaE }) 17:45 NekoGloop K :3 17:47 NekoGloop Now I need a gloopblocks_wet_cement :3 17:48 VanessaE take the default stone texture and lighten it way up :-) 17:48 NekoGloop Oh, I was thinking a craftitem. 17:48 NekoGloop but it could be a node, I guess :3 17:48 NekoGloop ... Nah. 17:48 VanessaE doesn't have to be; you can just use the texture file :-) 17:49 VanessaE unless you wanna make a bucket of wet cement :-) 17:49 NekoGloop Nah, not gonna make a bucket of wet cement. That makes too much sense :3 17:49 VanessaE that gives me an idea 17:50 NekoGloop Oh yeah, my evil blocks glow ominously :3 17:50 VanessaE wet cement that behaves like a liquid when poured on the ground, but which will "dry" given enough time 17:50 NekoGloop Too much work :P :3 17:50 VanessaE (obviously only the _source blocks would remain when dried) 17:50 VanessaE oh well 17:51 NekoGloop I also made evil and cement tools :3 17:52 VanessaE what is the point of the 'evil' items anyway? 17:53 NekoGloop Evil = Odd 17:53 NekoGloop Example: Tools are incredibly stong but break fast 17:54 NekoGloop Block glows ominously :3 17:55 NekoGloop Cement tools have their values averaged between stone and steel :3 17:58 Tekk_ dropping bucket stuff REALLY needs to be bound to right click 17:59 Tekk_ I just destroyed a huge chunk of my house trying to dig a hole to put lava in 17:59 VanessaE oops! 17:59 NekoGloop What VanessaE? 17:59 VanessaE [08-03 13:59] I just destroyed a huge chunk of my house trying to dig a hole to put lava in 17:59 VanessaE that 17:59 Tekk_ NekoGloop: I just destroyed half of my house accidentally 18:00 NekoGloop Oh, and is it possible to specify how long something should burn in a furnace? 18:00 VanessaE yes but I've no idea how 18:00 Tekk_ NekoGloop: as a fuel? 18:00 NekoGloop No, as a recipe. 18:00 VanessaE he means the cooktime I think 18:01 VanessaE burntime and cooktime can be specified but I don't know how the values work 18:01 VanessaE (haven't looked it up) 18:01 Tekk_ they're in seconds I think 18:01 NekoGloop Example: Wet cement needs to be smelted longer than an iron lump. 18:01 Tekk_ coal has 40 burntime 18:01 Tekk_ I'd say it burns for about that long in seconds 18:01 NekoGloop I want cooktime though :3 18:01 Tekk_ then set cooktime 18:01 Tekk_ we're just figuring out what 1 cook/burntime is equal to 18:02 NekoGloop Well I just set something to 2 cooktime. 18:04 NekoGloop It's in milliseconds O.O 18:05 Tekk_ okay then 18:05 NekoGloop So then 120 == 2 seconds? 18:05 Tekk_ 2000 18:05 NekoGloop Oh :P 18:06 VanessaE it would be 120 if it were measured in jiffies :-) 18:07 NekoGloop OK, it's not milliseconds nor seconds :P 18:07 NekoGloop I can guarentee that :P 18:09 Tekk_ VanessaE: ah, I never knew the rate for jiffies 18:09 NekoGloop Nor is 20 == 20 things with 1 burntime O_o 18:09 VanessaE Tekk_: I don't know that any system still uses that as a measure of time :-) 18:09 NekoGloop 20 cooktime I mean. 18:10 Tekk_ VanessaE: linux 18:10 VanessaE really? 18:10 Tekk_ a lot of ethernet drivers need jiffies 18:10 VanessaE I dunno, that sounds awful slow for ethernet 18:10 Tekk_ may have been measuring latency or something 18:11 Tekk_ but to get linux ethernet drivers working in hurd someone had to make a linux jiffy to hurd time unit header 18:11 NekoGloop Whatever. I got my desired effect. :3 18:11 VanessaE a jiffy was defined back in the 8-bit days as 1 video refresh, so 1/60 second in NTSC countries 18:11 NekoGloop Well 60 =/= 1 second :3 18:12 NekoGloop I have no idea. 18:12 NekoGloop This thing made up its own timing scale :P 18:12 VanessaE so what IS the unit of measure then? 18:12 NekoGloop Idk 18:12 VanessaE the API doesn't (appear to) say 18:13 NekoGloop I should make something that's crafted with lava :3 18:13 NekoGloop OH! My evil things! 18:13 NekoGloop That will work PERFECTLY! 18:13 NekoGloop But... how rare is lava? 18:13 Tekk_ it seems rare itself, but it comes in big pools when you do find it 18:13 NekoGloop And where does it generate? 18:14 NekoGloop Deep underground, farther down than you need to go for mese? 18:14 Tekk_ reasonably deep underground 18:14 Tekk_ ~mesecons level 18:14 Tekk_ so -130ish 18:14 NekoGloop K :3 18:15 Tekk_ now if that artist could finish up the gargoyle I could add mobs to the server >> 18:15 * NekoGloop wants to be petted :3 18:37 Tekk_ current DOES have jungles, right? 18:37 VanessaE no 18:38 Tekk_ well that puts a bit of a damper on mesecons 18:38 VanessaE why? 18:38 Calinou no jungle grass 18:38 VanessaE get my junglegrass mod :-) 18:38 Calinou use vanessae's junglegrass mod 18:38 Calinou lol, been ninja'd 18:38 Calinou hi sudoman 18:39 VanessaE *chop-socky yell* 18:39 NekoGloop Can someone help me with nodboxes? :P 18:39 NekoGloop I need ramps. 18:39 NekoGloop :3 18:39 VanessaE no, no one can help with THOSE. ;-) 18:40 VanessaE ramps, get jeija's 'slopes' mod. 18:40 NekoGloop K :3 18:40 VanessaE (from his 'irregular' set) 18:42 Tekk_ VanessaE: will it start spawning in already gen'd blocks or do you have to wander? 18:42 VanessaE it should spawn 18:42 Tekk_ okay 18:42 Tekk_ thanks 18:45 NekoGloop Oki Now I have dirt slopes. They'll automatically replace any stairs that are in place. :3 18:46 NekoGloop Before I upload, I'm actually gonna go make gravel do the same thing. 18:46 Calinou slopes... lol 18:46 VanessaE you mean when they fall? 18:46 Calinou slopes = a lot of nodeboxes used :/ 18:46 Calinou slow performance 18:46 Calinou 16 nodeboxes would be acceptable though (1 per pixel :p) 18:47 NekoGloop Well, I'm using jeija's. Which uses 100 nodeboxes. Doesnt lag any more than minetest does on its own though. 18:47 VanessaE Calinou is right, turn down the detail 18:47 NekoGloop I'll do that :3 18:48 Calinou 100 O_o 18:48 VanessaE it's too bad you can't exploit the 45-degree 'flowing liquid' visual for that 18:48 Calinou lag != slow performance 18:51 Tekk_ VanessaE: actually I was hoping that he could use the 45 degree for that 18:51 Tekk_ but apparently not 18:51 leo_rockway greetings 18:52 VanessaE hey leo 18:52 leo_rockway Tekk_: I gave as a nice path to our house o.o 18:52 leo_rockway VanessaE: how are you? 18:52 leo_rockway Tekk_: and a basement. 18:52 leo_rockway gave us* 18:53 leo_rockway anyway, lunch 18:53 VanessaE doing ok 18:53 Tekk_ leo_rockway: we don't have the path anymore o.o 18:54 Tekk_ th ebasement is nice though 18:56 NekoGloop http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=35664#p35664 :3 Dirt/Gravel slopes added, with 16 detail 18:56 VanessaE neko, you need screenshots. 18:56 NekoGloop Slopes automatically replace any stairs that you have. 18:57 VanessaE oh wait, you have one now 18:57 NekoGloop I HAVE A SCREENSHOT. 18:57 NekoGloop (from 0.0.1, but meh) 18:57 VanessaE need MOAR 18:57 VanessaE :-) 18:57 Tekk_ that rainbow mod's going to give people seizures :D 18:57 NekoGloop Well you craft nyancats from 9 rainbow blocks :3 18:57 NekoGloop nyancat rainbows from 3 in a line. 18:58 NekoGloop And it gets crafted with the 12 paints from unifieddyes :3 18:58 VanessaE :D 18:58 NekoGloop Arranged as it says on the topic. 18:58 NekoGloop With a 4x4 workbench, ofc. 19:01 VanessaE bbl 19:01 NekoGloop What? 19:06 NekoGloop So. My internet dies randomly. :3 19:07 NekoGloop And I had to exit and reenter the page. 19:09 NekoGloop Did ANYONE try the mod? 19:09 NekoGloop (0.0.2 version) 19:17 NekoGloop How about you, Tekk_? Did you try it? 19:17 Tekk_ nope, I'm trying to get copper buckets working 19:17 NekoGloop :( Ok 19:19 Tekk_ hey ttk2 19:34 NekoGloop Well, there's one minor glitch with my beutiful falling stairs. 19:35 NekoGloop Their facing gets reset upon falling. 19:38 Tekk_ so when you create your falling entity, store the facing in it 19:38 NekoGloop if falling_node=1 it automatically falls. 19:39 NekoGloop That's the group falling_node btw 19:40 NekoGloop I could swipe the code and make it do that. 19:47 NekoGloop So why is this so hard >.> 19:51 NekoGloop Someone tell me what I need to add and change in the falling_nod code... 19:59 leo_rockway Tekk_: why no path? =[ 19:59 leo_rockway it had fences and a snow on it 19:59 leo_rockway -a 20:02 NekoGloop What is the address of this server? My mod is being too much crap atm. 20:10 Tekk_ leo_rockway: house fire 20:10 NekoGloop Tekk_ what is the address? D: 20:11 Tekk_ NekoGloop: going to keep it private for a while. the net connection isn't very good when you throw people on 20:11 NekoGloop D: 20:12 Tekk_ already have 3 on at the second, and it's running on the same machine as a minecraft server.. 20:13 NekoGloop Well whatcha doing that for? The mc server is probably more resource intensive, if the two arent equal. 20:16 Tekk_ NekoGloop: it's definitely more intensive 20:16 NekoGloop :P 20:22 Dan68 Anyone know if minetest is IPv6 compatible? 20:22 sfan5 test it 20:22 Dan68 kk 20:22 ttk2 tekk_: Whats up? 20:25 NekoGloop Meow~ :3 20:28 sfan5 ping doesn't like ipv6: ping fe80::1e75:8ff:fed3:8519 20:28 sfan5 ping: unknown host fe80::1e75:8ff:fed3:8519 20:29 NekoGloop wtf is ping? 20:29 sfan5 you don't know what ping is?? 20:29 NekoGloop No, I dont. :P 20:30 NekoGloop Never too late to learn. 20:30 psychon sfan5: try ping6 20:30 sfan5 connect: Invalid argument 20:32 leo_rockway Tekk_: there was a fire in the house!? 20:32 sfan5 psychon: do you know a solution? 20:32 psychon sfan5: that's a link local ip address, add -I eth0 (or sth like that) to your flags) 20:33 sfan5 thats works 20:39 Tekk_ leo_rockway: yes 20:40 Tekk_ it basically destroyed the whole top floor except for the floor itself, and the flooring on the first floor 20:40 Tekk_ fixed now, aside from the snow on the path 20:42 leo_rockway Tekk_: how did this fire happen? 20:42 Tekk_ lava 20:42 leo_rockway were you playing with lava again? 20:42 leo_rockway yeah -.- 20:42 leo_rockway what did we say about playing with fire? 20:42 Tekk_ the left click to place lava has caused so much damage for us.. 20:45 NekoGloop Lol furnaces work underwater :3 20:47 NekoGloop I'm on the globis server building my house underwater. :3 20:47 NekoGloop Address: 176.31.175.144 Port: 30000 20:47 NakedFury im sure a group can be made to stop underwater placement 20:49 NekoGloop Well, how would one go about making the water go away? 20:50 NekoGloop I cant place a door for my house. 20:51 * Tekk_ is trying to make a basic entity 20:52 NekoGloop Good luck. :3 20:54 Mineuser Is anyone here? 20:54 NekoGloop Ish. 20:55 Tekk_ right.. 20:55 Tekk_ helps to do minetest.register_entity instead of minecraft.register_entity :p 20:55 NekoGloop :3 20:56 Mineuser Are there any servers that feature the Mesecons mod? 20:57 NekoGloop Look around :P 20:57 NekoGloop Pretty common, I'd think. 20:57 Mineuser Well that helps a lot 20:57 Mineuser :) 20:57 NekoGloop Well, I'm on the Globis server. 20:58 NekoGloop No mesecons, but do you want to join? 20:58 Mineuser Sure 20:58 NekoGloop Address: 176.31.175.144 Port: 30000 20:59 Mineuser Okay, here it goes... 21:00 Mineuser It doesn't seem to be doing anything... Did I do something wrong? 21:00 Mineuser I'm incredibly new to this 21:02 NekoGloop Did you put it in the Multiplayer tab? 21:02 NekoGloop Are you running 0.4.2-rc1? 21:02 Mineuser The IP was wrong, I'm now downloading the RC 21:02 Mineuser (and) 21:03 Tekk_ ....what 21:03 NekoGloop The IP cant be wrong, it's what I'm using. 21:04 Mineuser I copied the IP wrong 21:04 Tekk_ groups = {cracky} 21:04 Tekk_ yet picks don't do anything to it 21:04 NekoGloop no, no, groups = {cracky=3} 21:04 NekoGloop Need to set the variable :3 21:04 Tekk_ yeah, it is set 21:04 Tekk_ I've tried both 3 and 1 21:04 Tekk_ can entities not be cracky? 21:04 NekoGloop idk 21:05 Tekk_ oh, hold on 21:05 Tekk_ mese picks are hurting it 21:05 Tekk_ but my wooden wasn't 21:06 Mineuser There, I got in 21:07 Tekk_ auto_rotate doesn't seem to work either. unless that doesn't do what I think it does 21:07 Tekk_ (have the sprite always face whoever's looking at it) 21:33 NekoGloop Damn. Server shut down. 21:33 Mineuser That makes sense 21:33 NekoGloop Another one? 21:34 Mineuser I would host a server, but the latency would suck 21:34 Tekk_ gargoyle spawns. just have to fix 2 problems to do more work on it 21:34 NekoGloop Same here... Oh wait, how do I do that? 21:34 Tekk_ first is always having it face you, second is getting the groups working 21:34 NekoGloop How does one host a server? 21:34 Mineuser oh 21:35 NekoGloop Idk, tell me. 21:35 Mineuser I just assumed... 21:35 NekoGloop Tekk_, how do you host a server? 21:36 Tekk_ NekoGloop: you need to forward a port 21:36 Tekk_ which I doubt you're able to do 21:36 NekoGloop I'm admin on this computer. 21:36 NekoGloop Tell me. 21:36 Mineuser As do I 21:36 Tekk_ it's not on your computer 21:36 Tekk_ it's on your router 21:36 NekoGloop Oh. 21:36 NekoGloop Lemme install the managing software on this compuer. 21:36 NekoGloop computer* 21:37 Mineuser So mineuser can only create a local server? 21:37 NekoGloop Dont talk about yourself in third person... just... dont... 21:37 Tekk_ yeah, you can only run on your lan unless you're forwarding a port 21:38 Mineuser there's always soft forwarding 21:38 Mineuser oops, I meant minetest can only create a local server 21:38 * khonkhortisan can talk in third person only if he uses /me 21:39 Mineuser uhh 21:42 Mineuser guys, I think that the server went back up 21:49 Tekk_ actually I'm not sure that groups will affect mobs 21:49 Tekk_ from what I was seeing 22:00 Tekk_ hmm 22:00 Tekk_ I wonder if a lua console would even be possible... 22:00 Mineuser interesting thought 22:01 * Tekk_ checks to see if there's a function to evaluate a string 22:03 Tekk_ doesn't seem to be 22:05 GloopMaster Random IP ban ftw 22:06 Tekk_ hint: it's not an IP ban if you can reconnect from the same IP 22:10 GloopMaster hint: It didnt let me reconnect until jsut now 22:11 LunaVorax Hello everyone! 22:12 GloopMaster Hi 22:14 Tekk_ hi 22:23 GloopMaster Ok, random minetest crash ftw 22:28 GloopMaster We need more people on this server: minetest.freedns.in:30000 22:38 cy1 GloopMaster: what's it got that mine doesn't got :p 22:38 GloopMaster Me :3 22:38 * GloopMaster doesnt know which server is yours 22:38 cy1 You punched that one guy :/ 22:42 sdzen wasnt that on tuesday? 22:42 sdzen at the town square correct? 22:42 sdzen looked at you funny yes? 22:43 GloopMaster Uhh... The globis thing? 22:43 GloopMaster I wasnt ever on minetest on a tuesday :P 22:43 sdzen i was joking 22:44 sdzen btw nice job stealing from that chest on my server :) 22:44 GloopMaster Uh... *runs* 22:44 GloopMaster :3 22:45 GloopMaster Funny thing was he was standing behind me half the time :P 22:45 cy1 who puts stuff in unlocked chests anyway... 22:45 GloopMaster It's a wonder he didnt kill me 22:45 GloopMaster People playing singleplayer :3 22:45 sdzen me! 22:45 cy1 "on my server" != singleplayer 22:45 sdzen i put them in weird places instead 22:46 cy1 I put stuff in unlocked chests that's up for grabs. 22:47 Tekk_ anyone in done mob mods? 22:53 cy1 yes several 22:54 cy1 c55 was working on one too 22:54 Tekk_ is there a setting to always have the sprite face the player in the table? 22:55 Tekk_ I used set some var that seemed like it'd do that, but apparently not 22:56 Tekk_ automatic_rotate 22:56 cy1 Tekk_: look at the code for "ClientCAO" it does that. 22:56 cy1 but it's not a good idea 22:56 cy1 you can see what other players are facing as is 22:57 Tekk_ that in the C++ layer? 22:57 Tekk_ didn't find it in a quick search of default:init.lua 22:57 cy1 yea 22:57 cy1 clientcao.cpp I think 22:57 Tekk_ clientobject maybe? 22:57 Tekk_ not seeing clientcao in rc 1 22:58 Tekk_ yeah, ClientActiveObject is in here 22:58 Tekk_ don't think it should be too much of a big deal, symmetrical fireball 22:59 Tekk_ so different viewing stuff shouldn't mess with it 22:59 Tekk_ nope, doesn't seem like this has the code in it 23:00 Tekk_ cy1: one more question, this one's a bit more important I guess. are groups not working for entities? 23:01 Tekk_ I made an entity whose only group was cracky and yet pretty much everything could damage it, with picks doing no more damage 23:01 Tekk_ played with the different values of cracky to see if it made a difference, which is why I didn't say a specific number 23:01 GloopMaster cy1: A time change was requested :3 23:04 Tekk_ wait.. 23:05 Tekk_ it seems that picks don't do damage to entities at all below at least stone O.o 23:05 Tekk_ okay, so you need a mese pick to damage anything 23:14 leo_rockway Tekk_: btw, I have like 9 mese. 23:14 leo_rockway so I'll play with mesecons at some point. 23:14 Tekk_ we have a ton of it 23:14 leo_rockway Tekk_: you got mese too? o.0 23:14 Tekk_ mese is like everywhere below -130 o.o 23:15 leo_rockway how did you get there? I was in a cave for like two hours to finally get there. 23:15 Tekk_ I dug 23:15 leo_rockway huh 23:15 leo_rockway cheater :S 23:16 Tekk_ don't bother making movers o.o 23:16 Tekk_ wait' 23:16 Tekk_ actually 23:16 Tekk_ nah, they probably won't trip pressure plates 23:24 cy1 fireball o.o 23:24 Tekk_ cy1: hmm? 23:25 cy1 Tekk_: entities can't be dug normally, no. There's different digging logic for them in client.cpp (game.cpp?) 23:25 cy1 which is kinda dumb but eh 23:25 Tekk_ didn't want it to be dug, really 23:25 Tekk_ just if you punch it with a pick in your hand it does more damage 23:25 Tekk_ instead of a sword 23:26 GloopMaster Tell them to be fleshy 23:33 GloopMaster Lol, this server is almost devoid of mese. 23:35 GloopMaster OMG SOMEONE LEFT A MESE PICK OUT IN THE OPEN!!! 23:40 Tekk_ leo_rockway: still at work? 23:42 cy1 devoid of mese what 23:44 leo_rockway Tekk_: affirmative 23:45 leo_rockway and then I'm going to KDE's RP 23:45 Eonas KDE's RP? 23:46 Tekk_ release party 23:46 Eonas You live in Germany, then? 23:46 leo_rockway local RP 23:47 Eonas Ah 23:47 Eonas What do people do at release parties? 23:47 Eonas Talk about KDE? 23:49 leo_rockway we go to a bar, have food and beverages 23:49 leo_rockway we geek out, like we normally do 23:49 leo_rockway but with an excuse 23:50 Tekk_ leo_rockway: I'll be trying to figure out how to shoehorn lighting in 23:52 leo_rockway what? o.0 23:52 leo_rockway Tekk_: maps and compasses are interesting. 23:53 leo_rockway I'm watching MC videos to know what's "missing" 23:54 MineTestUser there are a lot of things missing, but if they are all added, wouldn't that be copyright infringement? 23:55 leo_rockway no, that's not how copyright works... 23:55 MineTestUser Cool 23:55 leo_rockway since this is new code 23:55 leo_rockway it would be copyright infringement if you used their code (which we can't since we don't have it) 23:56 leo_rockway it could be plagiarism... 23:56 MineTestUser Oh 23:57 leo_rockway I'm not sure if plagiarism is part of the copyright law, actually... 23:57 Tekk_ no 23:57 leo_rockway it might be, but IANAL 23:57 leo_rockway Tekk_: maybe in the US of A 23:57 leo_rockway I'm not there 23:57 leo_rockway also, MC might have a patent, but I doubt it. 23:57 Tekk_ don't think it is 23:58 MineTestUser So, the Minecraft devs could only request to have Minetest blocked in the US only..? 23:59 Eonas Meh, just change the names and a couple properties and stuff, and it'll get by any copyright law you like. 23:59 MineTestUser Oh, our laws are so broken...