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00:15 * khonkhortisan made a drawer with a torch in it
00:16 khonkhortisan out of 15 nodeboxes
00:21 khonkhortisan I'm using 90 faces when I could use only 30
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01:21 khonkhortisan If my nodebox stretches over two nodes, how can I map a 2:1 texture so it spreads the same way?
01:25 NakedFury good question and I would like to know the answer too
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01:55 khonkhortisan um, a nodebox outside its node can hold sand up
01:55 khonkhortisan and I can't dig the sand because it's a luaentity
01:58 khonkhortisan I almost saw the elusive disappearing tree
01:59 NakedFury a nodebox bigger than normal is still solid?
02:01 khonkhortisan yes, but if you rotate it, there's one direction where it turns inside-out
02:01 khonkhortisan I can't get it to respond to the collisionbox I set
02:03 khonkhortisan I have made a drawer that can hold one item, unless the drawer itself is in another drawer
02:09 khonkhortisan underwater grass exists
02:10 khonkhortisan but not for very long
02:43 leo_rockway I have noticed that minetest is using between 100% and 200% of my CPU, constantly. I just deleted all the mods and disabled fancy clouds, trees, water, etc...
02:43 leo_rockway and it's still happenning
02:43 leo_rockway hapenning*
02:43 leo_rockway happening** -.-
02:46 leo_rockway I have an i3, so 100%-200% CPU power is quite a lot
02:47 leo_rockway (server and client)
02:48 VanessaE what kind of frame rates are you getting?
02:51 OWNSyouAll any idea when the rollback feature is getting put in
02:51 OWNSyouAll like in 0.4.2
02:51 OWNSyouAll or when?
02:51 VanessaE 0.4.2 probably yes
02:51 VanessaE it's already in git master
02:51 VanessaE and 0.4.2-rc1 just came out
02:52 leo_rockway I'm running latest git
02:52 VanessaE and the last commit on github is that rc1
02:52 VanessaE so it's there
02:52 leo_rockway VanessaE: do framerates show up in debug mode? (F5)?
02:52 VanessaE I'm still running 0.4.1-stable until I see some indication that servers have started moving to 1.4.2
02:53 VanessaE leo_rockway: look in your window title bar
02:53 VanessaE (at least that's where I see it)
02:53 SmugLeaf nigga wut
02:53 leo_rockway oh, thank you!
02:53 leo_rockway VanessaE: ~30
02:53 VanessaE leo_rockway: what kind of graphics device?
02:53 leo_rockway Using renderer: OpenGL 2.1
02:53 leo_rockway Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ironlake Mobile : Tungsten Graphics, Inc
02:53 leo_rockway OpenGL driver version is 1.2 or better.
02:53 leo_rockway GLSL version: 1.2
02:54 VanessaE Intel mobile gfx then
02:54 leo_rockway correct
02:54 VanessaE eh, I guess 30fps is okay
02:54 leo_rockway yes, FPS are alright
02:54 VanessaE onboard gfx chips are usually slow at 3d stuff
02:54 VanessaE how fast of a processor?
02:56 leo_rockway Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU       M 370  @ 2.40GH
02:56 leo_rockway according to lshw
02:56 VanessaE to be sure, I've noticed a gradual performance loss in the game over time, but I don't know whether to attribute it to my HD texture pack growing over time or the game getting slower.
02:56 leo_rockway that's why I got rid of all mods and textures just now
02:56 leo_rockway to make sure those weren't the problem.
02:56 leo_rockway I don't have any other process taking up 200% CPU, ever.
02:56 VanessaE so even with default textures?
02:57 leo_rockway except compiling and I'm forcing it to use all my cores
02:57 leo_rockway VanessaE: yes, default textures, and fancy trees, clouds and light turned off.
02:57 VanessaE eek
02:57 VanessaE that doesn't seem right, even for onboard gfx
02:57 leo_rockway correct o.o
02:57 VanessaE and you're using the latest video driver?
02:58 VanessaE you should file a github bug on this.  You're not the first to complain of performance issues.
02:58 leo_rockway yup, I'm on Arch testing
02:58 leo_rockway so newer than that would be to compile the driver from git
02:59 leo_rockway alright, I'll file a bug
02:59 VanessaE eh, that should be fine.  What kind of performance do you get out of other 3d apps?
02:59 VanessaE google earth for example, open arena, etc
03:01 VanessaE damn, it ain't just you either
03:02 leo_rockway I'll check with Tremulous real quick...
03:02 VanessaE I just checked with default textures, and aside from having a bunch of mods installed, it drops below 30 fps depending on what I'm looking at and how high I am
03:02 VanessaE view distance of 150
03:02 VanessaE and I'm in a 6-code 2.8 GHz Phenom II, Radeon HD6870 video card
03:02 VanessaE so my machine is no slouch at all
03:04 VanessaE from a height of 53m, looking out over what's currently loaded, roughly 30-40 fps, unless I look at the sky, then it peaks to 62
03:05 VanessaE if I look straight down at the ground, 23 FPS.
03:05 VanessaE this is definitely not right for such a high-end video card
03:13 leo_rockway mmhh... Tremulous is using 100% CPU, so then this must not be a Minetest thing.
03:13 leo_rockway Minetest is using 200% because it seems to understand multicores
03:13 leo_rockway which Tremulous doesn't...
03:14 VanessaE leo_rockway: no, minetest is slow
03:15 leo_rockway >.<
03:15 VanessaE there's no reason my big-ass video card should ever drop below 60 fps with 16px textures
03:15 leo_rockway yeah, true.
03:15 VanessaE leo_rockway: file that github issue anyway
03:16 VanessaE others have said the same, that old versions of minetest are much faster
03:16 leo_rockway yes, they were
03:17 VanessaE the texture animations he added turned out to not be nearly as low-resource as he thought, too
03:19 leo_rockway I don't even have a github account and I don't really want one. I'll see about that tomorrow,  since I'm going to sleep soon.
03:21 VanessaE ok
03:24 VanessaE fwiw:
03:25 VanessaE the almost-current git build I have gives far better performance than 0.4.1
03:25 VanessaE (like 40 fps vs. 25ish looking at the same piece of landscape under the same conditions as before)
03:26 VanessaE (with the same mods, default textures, etc)
03:26 mrdragons Oh cool, newest git build isn't labeled "dev" but "rc1". :D
03:27 VanessaE I should pull it in and see how it behaves.
03:28 * VanessaE builds it.
03:30 VanessaE 0.4.2-rc1 seems to be about the same as the other one; faster than 0.4.1-stable for sure.
03:32 VanessaE hm, maybe not so much.  wtf?
03:36 leo_rockway there's a mob mod available too
03:37 VanessaE yeah I saw that, didn't install it though
03:38 VanessaE this is terrible
03:38 VanessaE 22 fps looking down at the ground from 50m up?
03:39 VanessaE (most of the ground is at least 2-3m above sea level or more, so I'm ~45m above the ground)
03:45 leo_rockway the DM have chests now
03:47 VanessaE leo_rockway: reported the performance issue.
03:47 VanessaE https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/184
03:47 leo_rockway great
03:47 leo_rockway =]
03:49 VanessaE there, look at that. :-)
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03:55 VanessaE now get yer butt onto github and make an account and comment on this issue :-)
04:02 mrdragons Playing on my own box has always been really laggy though. *shrugs*
04:02 mrdragons Which is weird, you'd think the lack of network overhead and stuff would make it faster
04:03 VanessaE you'd think so yeah
04:04 VanessaE this is definitely a CPU issue - the game's spending way too much CPU time doing something and not letting the GPU run full-tilt.
04:16 VanessaE there.  The more of the map that's loaded, the worse the performance, even if the additional map area is *not* visible.
04:24 mrdragons hmm, maybe the sqlite parts could use some optimization
04:25 VanessaE dunno
04:32 roboman2444 so... i havent used minetest in like 6 months, what is new?
04:34 VanessaE lots of stuff has changed
04:34 VanessaE too much to list here.
04:34 mrdragons New modding stuffs, clouds, day/night, sound, support for multiple worlds, etc
04:34 roboman2444 ah
04:34 VanessaE you'd be better off looking at the forums and github commits :-)
04:34 roboman2444 anything to make it look... well better?
04:35 VanessaE depends on how you define "better"
04:35 VanessaE there are lots of texture packs
04:35 VanessaE lots of nice mods, etc
04:36 roboman2444 well not using sprites for everything
04:36 roboman2444 and perhaps some specular maps or normal maps or something
04:37 mrdragons roboman2444: Yeah, some stuff that was sprites are now nodes, and mobs are either gone or being redone
04:37 mrdragons were*
04:37 roboman2444 ah, nice
04:38 roboman2444 i would really like to see some better gfx stuff for it, like specular and normal maps
04:52 VanessaE can I get you two to try this?
04:52 VanessaE https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/184
04:52 VanessaE follow the test procedure given there, to the letter
04:52 VanessaE tell me if your experiences follow mine?
04:55 mrdragons How do you set time and viewing distance?
04:57 VanessaE time is /time xxxx
04:57 VanessaE view distance is +/-
05:00 mrdragons Still getting a fps of 25-40
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05:01 VanessaE did you follow the procedure *precisely*?
05:02 VanessaE Calinou: can you run through this test procedure and tell me if your experience is similar to mine?  https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues?state=open
05:02 VanessaE also, hi :-)
05:02 Calinou hi
05:03 mrdragons VanessaE: Yeah, and if a specific procedure has to be followed, does it count as a regression? It'd be more of a bug
05:04 VanessaE mrdragons: it does if the test procedure is a way to reliably reproduce the bug.
05:05 VanessaE just saying "fly up to X meters and fly around and see what it does to your FPS" introduces too many uncertanties.
05:06 VanessaE the standard in filing bug reports is that if you can provide a test case or an exact step-by-step procedure, even if it's nothing that the average person would do, do so anyway
05:06 VanessaE at least with other projects
05:07 VanessaE mrdragons: also, your FPS wouldn't be "25 to 40" if you followed that procedure exactly.
05:07 VanessaE you'd have come up with a bottom number only :-)
05:07 VanessaE I dunno, maybe it wouldn't
05:08 VanessaE maybe your OS/distro/build/whatever is different enough from mine to not trigger this
05:12 Calinou "Do not install any mods or create a config file - that is, leave everything in its 'factory fresh' state." < why?
05:12 Calinou "Maybe 145 is too much for your computer" < maybe
05:13 VanessaE because if you do, it will change the results
05:13 Calinou VanessaE, do you have desktop effects on?
05:13 Calinou it is strongly advised to turn them off when playing
05:13 VanessaE Calinou: no.
05:13 VanessaE no compositor is running on my machine.
05:14 Calinou a radeon HD6870 graphics card is an high-end graphics card, no?
05:14 VanessaE I'd say 145 is too much IF it mattered whether I was looking across a wide vista rather than just 50m down to the ground.
05:14 VanessaE indeed it is.  Big bastard two, takes two slots.
05:14 VanessaE (or rather, the space of two, PCIe x16 I think)
05:14 Calinou O_o
05:16 VanessaE also re: 145 - in other words, I'm only looking at a distance of, at the very most, perhaps 70 nodes, whatever the hypotenuse would be at 50m up and the default field of view.
05:20 VanessaE just realized my typo.  s/d two,/d too,/
05:22 mrdragons Repeated it, still getting around 25-35 fps
05:22 VanessaE so it dropped a little for you also.
05:23 VanessaE for it it drops horrendously :(
05:23 VanessaE you running win or linux?
05:25 mrdragons Linux
05:25 VanessaE hm
05:25 VanessaE x86 or x86_64?
05:26 mrdragons 64 bit, kernel 3.4.4-2 (Arch linux default build)
05:26 VanessaE hm, 64 bit here too, kernel 3.2.0
05:26 VanessaE I wonder why such a drastic difference?
05:26 VanessaE inb4 Calinou says nVidia 99 AMD 0
05:26 VanessaE ;-)
05:26 Calinou lolarchlinux
05:27 mrdragons Yeah arch sucks man
05:28 VanessaE Calinou: what's your experience with that test?
05:29 mrdragons VanessaE: I'm not sure, my hardware is a bit worse than yours. 0_o
05:30 * Calinou is downloading warsow 1.0
05:30 Calinou actually a rebranded 0.7
05:30 Calinou VanessaE, didn't try, I guess I should try :p
05:30 VanessaE please do
05:30 VanessaE I need backup on this :-)
05:34 Calinou wtf... downloading at 270kb/sec
05:34 Calinou awesome
05:34 VanessaE nice
05:34 Calinou ok, I'm now trying that procedue in win7 64 bit
05:34 VanessaE ok
05:34 Calinou procedure*
05:35 mrdragons lolwindows
05:36 Calinou created a vanilla install of the game...
05:36 Calinou mrdragons, STFU if you're not happy about it
05:36 Calinou it's the only OS where you can be sure about GPU drivers
05:36 VanessaE he's right, unfortunately.
05:36 Calinou I do run debian testing, too, in a VM when needed.
05:36 VanessaE linux video drivers sometimes suck
05:36 VanessaE anyway
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05:37 mrdragons All my video cards are old and crappy, thus, are well supported. :P
05:37 Calinou found a flat landscape...
05:37 Calinou more recent GPUs are usually better-supported than old ones
05:37 Calinou from my experience
05:38 * Calinou is gonna like his 570gtx: 50-400FPS in red eclipse, in a VM with free drivers
05:38 mrdragons Well, old and crappy by a gamer's terms, maybe 2 or 3 years old
05:38 Calinou beat that c:
05:38 VanessaE mrdragons: my video card was first released I think 2 years ago.
05:38 VanessaE definitely not "old and crappy" :-)
05:39 Calinou erm, I capped my FPS to 65 in-game, should I uncap them, VanessaE?
05:39 VanessaE Calinou: probably not necessary.
05:39 Calinou k
05:39 VanessaE but
05:39 VanessaE you should be running a completely vanilla game - no changes to the default config file at all
05:39 mrdragons Calinou: Setting up a decent sane environment for C development in windows is maddening though
05:39 Calinou +1
05:39 VanessaE whatever comes with the game when you install it
05:39 Calinou I do, VanessaE
05:39 VanessaE ok
05:39 Calinou didn't even change keys, lol
05:40 Calinou have to press W to go forward, not Z
05:40 VanessaE oh, you mean capped at the video driver level?
05:40 Calinou well, whatever the setting comes with the game
05:40 khonkhortisan why would you press Z?
05:40 VanessaE oh
05:40 Calinou didn't force vsync in driver
05:40 khonkhortisan what layout?
05:40 Calinou khonkhortisan, azerty
05:40 khonkhortisan oh I think you told me that
05:40 VanessaE well whatever the setting is, leave it there ;-)
05:41 VanessaE my video driver settings all appear to be at the defaults, not synced to vblank, etc.
05:44 Calinou I tested: I have not experienced any performance loss, outside of going very high, since a lot of blocks were rendered
05:44 Calinou I had a slight performance loss when flying downwards to reach the starting point though, for no real reason
05:44 VanessaE it's when you go up to 50m that you start to see it
05:44 Calinou I did go up to 50-60m
05:45 VanessaE but did you fly around the map a second time to get more of it to load?
05:45 Calinou yes
05:45 VanessaE well then why the hell am I seeing such an unpredictable, reasonless variance?
05:45 VanessaE :(
05:46 Calinou nvidia 99-0 amd
05:46 Calinou :p
05:46 VanessaE [07-29 01:26] <VanessaE> inb4 Calinou says nVidia 99 AMD 0
05:46 VanessaE :P
05:46 VanessaE but why would loading more of the map, which I can't see anyway, slow the gam down?
05:47 VanessaE I mean, is it sitting there rendering shit off-screen?
05:47 Calinou maybe
05:47 Calinou ask c55 :P
05:47 VanessaE he'll just say it's unimportant :-)
05:48 Calinou is "unimportant" a word? :o
05:49 VanessaE it is to c55 ;)
05:49 khonkhortisan yes it's a word
05:49 Calinou it's the bestest of the words.
05:50 Calinou 8 minutes left in downloading warsow; the game is 494MB
05:50 Calinou 276kb/sec
05:52 * VanessaE frowns at her shitty luck :-/
05:54 darkrose bad luck's better than no luck at all!
05:54 Calinou +1
05:55 VanessaE pfft
05:55 VanessaE darkrose: you got a machine with the cohones to try that procedure? :-)\
05:57 VanessaE maybe it only affects high-end gfx cards or something
05:57 darkrose try what?
05:57 VanessaE darkrose: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/184
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05:58 VanessaE trying to see if there's a pattern.  I can't be the only one this is happening to.
06:03 Calinou http://c55.me/blog/
06:03 Calinou ^
06:03 Calinou mobs!
06:03 Calinou gonna install it, keeping 0.4.1 anyway
06:08 VanessaE I'm beginning to think the problem is my computer itself, hardware issue.  overheating maybe?
06:09 khonkhortisan so when you build a library with super-tall shelves, what do you need to go with it?
06:09 VanessaE lamps and potted plants.
06:09 VanessaE and a chair
06:09 khonkhortisan that's right, a rolling ladder!
06:10 VanessaE hah
06:11 khonkhortisan I think papyrus has gone extinct in gameboom
06:12 GTRsdk mobs! where?
06:12 * GTRsdk looks at web site (gonna load the page)
06:12 VanessaE jeez
06:12 VanessaE temp2:        +73.5°C  (high = +80.0°C, hyst = +75.0°C)  sensor = thermistor
06:13 VanessaE that can't be right can it?
06:13 khonkhortisan my graphics card went from 49°C to 108°C then rebooted the computer so I replaced it
06:13 khonkhortisan what's your lowest?
06:13 VanessaE not sure, low 40s I think
06:13 VanessaE I rarely look at it
06:14 khonkhortisan yeah that might be bad
06:14 khonkhortisan look up the numbers for your card
06:14 VanessaE I can't be sure that ^^ is the GPU
06:15 VanessaE (though likely, since a CPU usually maxes at 70.
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06:15 khonkhortisan it was most definitely the gpu
06:15 VanessaE and "temp1" currently reads 50, which is probably the CPU.
06:15 * VanessaE cracks the case open to check the fan
06:16 khonkhortisan my temp1 is right under the gpu temp in gkrellm, then I have two other temps I don't know what they do
06:18 VanessaE well the fans all seem okay, though the GPU doesn't seem like it's spinning as fast as one might expect.
06:18 VanessaE temps are coming back down just from opening the box.  must be a clogged intake
06:18 khonkhortisan how many temps do you have?
06:18 VanessaE 3.
06:18 VanessaE "temp1" (currently 55)
06:18 VanessaE "temp2" (currently 65.5)
06:18 VanessaE "temp3" (currently 28.5)
06:19 khonkhortisan (GPU C 41) (temp1 52) (temp2 37) (temp1 42.8) here. I don't know what the double temp1 is for
06:20 VanessaE whoever wrote this sensors utility needs to take a course in "making shit obvious".
06:20 VanessaE "temp1"?  come on.
06:20 khonkhortisan yeah it should be linked to your hardware names
06:20 VanessaE make an effort people, try to guess at least, what the device is that returned that figure.
06:21 khonkhortisan they tried to write a temperature moniter, it worked, so they went with it
06:23 VanessaE well the "temp2" reading has dropped to 59.5 but the game doesn't seem to be showing any signs of improved framerate, so it's not an overheat issue.
06:23 khonkhortisan you could always stress test
06:25 VanessaE how?
06:25 khonkhortisan there are actuall stress testing programs
06:27 khonkhortisan I found one that ran in wine and was able to reboot on cue
06:28 VanessaE ok, a quick compile of something shows the "temp2" number to be the CPU
06:28 VanessaE (it rises while temp1 stays put)
06:28 VanessaE that number can't possibly be right then; 75 degrees?  my machine should have shut down at that point
06:29 VanessaE sigh, where's my artic silver when I need it? :-/
06:47 khonkhortisan I can't just build a bridge out of rail, I need something under it for collision
06:49 VanessaE bbl
06:49 khonkhortisan aka ttfn
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07:06 vicscandl meep
07:09 cornernote_ meep-meep
07:09 khonkhortisan meep sleep
07:09 GTRsdk sleep sleep
07:12 vicscandl smelting: (have not looked in code or forums yet) can the furnace be used to create more than one item when smelting? ie: 1 cobble = 1 stone and 1 gravel (example, not what i'm doing)
07:12 cornernote_ crafts can only have 1 output
07:12 cornernote_ they do have a return item functionality
07:13 cornernote_ so perhaps that can be used
07:13 vicscandl on the furnace?
07:13 vicscandl hrm... not to that point yet in my code where i'm going to need that, but thanks... i'll head that direction
07:13 cornernote_ yeah, on furnace... all crafts work pretty much the same way
07:14 vicscandl oh, so i can return on craft to the "materials box" that is not (per se) an "empty version" but another item all together...
07:14 vicscandl effing perfect
07:15 vicscandl lets go try that out... :)
07:15 cornernote yeah, that should work
07:15 cornernote let me know
07:15 vicscandl doing it now
07:15 cornernote whats your mod ?
07:16 vicscandl not released yet, keeping it under wraps for a few (hours/days) to avoid someone else with a competing mod..
07:16 vicscandl not sure if its been done, but no active mod is doing it per se as i've seen..
07:16 vicscandl :)
07:17 vicscandl give me a bit, this should be good
07:17 vicscandl not mesecons good, but once i launch it, you will see its possibilties quick
07:18 cornernote sounds promising
07:18 vicscandl (( note: i've never played minecraft ))
07:18 cornernote same
07:18 khonkhortisan I played the demo on a tablet
07:18 cornernote my kids found minecraft, and then i found minetest
07:18 vicscandl my son just got it on xbox cause he plays the shit out minetest
07:18 vicscandl (( xbox at his moms house ))
07:18 Calinou https://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/screenshot_8335183.png < hugging DMs, lol... I tested the new experimental "mob" mod that adds dungeons and DMs... they do not fire fireballs. also there are chests in dungeons with stuff :D
07:19 Calinou the dungeon gen freezes the game for a bit, though. :/
07:19 vicscandl dad is 100% ANTI-M$, even the xbox
07:19 khonkhortisan Any Good Mod Freezes The Game
07:19 vicscandl khonkhortisan: haghahahaha
07:19 vicscandl no, any mod with SHITTY CODE freezes the game.. :)
07:20 cornernote many mod writers are new, cant help bad code unless you wanna review it all
07:20 khonkhortisan your sword is serrated
07:20 vicscandl concepts are perfect, execution always shows up with sandy vasoline...
07:21 vicscandl cornernote: FOSS = you are your code
07:22 vicscandl cornernote: i do review mods i run on my servers tho.. :)
07:22 cornernote im new, im sure my code is far from perfect
07:23 cornernote depends how good the code i copied was =)
07:23 * vicscandl has been writing code for more than 30 years at this point...
07:23 cornernote i fix the mods i play with, but some are hundreds of lines
07:23 cornernote generally its just api fixes
07:23 cornernote if the server bombs i'll read the stack trace and fix it
07:24 vicscandl cornernote: aye, most code is shit... i'm a professional turdherder (read: programmer)
07:24 cornernote my job is a php developer... for the last 10 years
07:24 vicscandl i <3 php, stupid simple
07:25 cornernote not great at lua or c, but its just a matter of reading docs, learning
07:25 vicscandl lua is ok, c is gold
07:25 vicscandl lua *does* get the job done tho...
07:26 vicscandl used it to mod the MUD i used to admin years ago
07:26 cornernote yeah, but for what i do (make web applications), php is better than c for developer performance
07:26 cornernote each language has a place, and a right/wrong time to use it
07:26 vicscandl aye
07:26 vicscandl ok, back to checking on that multi craft shit
07:27 Calinou http://servers.minetest.ru/
07:27 Calinou ^ one server has 100% uptime!
07:27 Calinou <vicscandl> dad is 100% ANTI-M$, even the xbox
07:27 Calinou the xbox can go F itself, as any console can
07:27 * Calinou is a computer gamer
07:27 Calinou <khonkhortisan> your sword is serrated < misa pack FTW :p
07:27 Calinou what do you have against serrated swords? :c
07:28 vicscandl Calinou: they hurt.... better...
07:28 vicscandl oh, you said *against*...
07:29 vicscandl Calinou: crafting, i want to generate more than one output... can i replace a non-existant item from a crafting recipie with a new item?
07:29 Calinou I don't know :f
07:30 vicscandl ok. i'll test that out too... grrr
07:30 Calinou possibly not
07:30 vicscandl assume not
07:30 vicscandl ok, screw it, i'll just make more recipies.. damn
07:30 nyuszika7h hi!
07:31 Calinou WTF: c55.me port 30001 < server
07:31 Calinou hi nyuszika7h
07:56 vicscandl nope
07:56 vicscandl damn
08:03 cornernote Calinou, man would love to keep building, but its sooo laggy
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08:14 emerbe ok, I realized that there is high CPU usage in minetest 4.2 RC
08:14 emerbe 4.1 - about 40-50 %
08:14 emerbe 4.2 RC - about 50-80%
08:15 GTRsdk emerbe: are you doing the same stuff/looking at the same stuff in both versions?
08:15 emerbe end I don't know why
08:15 emerbe not really
08:16 emerbe but more complicated world is in 4.1
08:16 vicscandl emerbe: set your mapgen key to be the same in both versions
08:16 vicscandl makes a huge diff when doing the compares..
08:16 emerbe ok
08:16 emerbe i;ll
08:17 emerbe try
08:17 emerbe can I just copy world?
08:18 vicscandl i run two virtual machines that have a "script" that plays both the same and watch them on the screen at the same time...
08:18 vicscandl heheeh
08:19 vicscandl yea, thats what i do
08:19 vicscandl (copy world dir)
08:21 emerbe ok
08:22 emerbe 4.1: loading/generating world - 60-80%, looking at generated world - 10-30% | CPU's temp.: 54 C; fan: 1850-1920 RPM
08:23 emerbe now on 4.2 RC
08:23 emerbe moment
08:25 emerbe 4.2 RC: loading/generating world - unknown, looking at generated world - 50-80% [!!!] | CPU's temp.: 60 C; fan: 2090- 2250 RPM
08:25 emerbe huge diff..
08:26 vicscandl yep. i'd say
08:27 emerbe when I start game in 4.2RC, my CPU's fan gets sounding like a jet engine
08:27 emerbe ..
08:27 vicscandl about the same here for cpu load under alike virtual servers, temp and fan speed are not relevant for me as i'm not running *one* server per machine
08:27 emerbe i know
08:27 emerbe (temp and fan)
08:28 vicscandl my closet sounds like a fucking airport 24/7
08:28 emerbe xd
08:28 emerbe brb
08:46 Calinou <emerbe> 4.2 RC - about 50-80%
08:46 Calinou remember, the windows version was compiled with mingw > slower
08:47 * Calinou doesn't even know why he says this, emerbe being an harshlinuxian
08:47 * Calinou crosses fingers
09:11 emerbe what?
09:12 emerbe now, I'm on WinXP but I have also Kubuntu and Ubu Studio
09:12 vicscandl zzzzzzzzzzzzz
09:12 vicscandl makes a huge diff when doing the compares.. t
09:12 emerbe but to be honest I'm noob on linux..
09:13 emerbe or lamer...
09:13 emerbe idk
09:13 emerbe xd
09:19 emerbe or from another way... Linux is too pro for me
09:19 emerbe so..
09:20 emerbe do you have any idea what's happening..
09:27 emerbe hah
09:27 emerbe I turned off smooth lighting
09:27 emerbe and
09:27 emerbe 4.2 RC: CPU: 30-50%
09:27 emerbe 60 FPS
09:27 emerbe CPU's temp. 54 C, fan: 1800 RPM
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11:14 cornernote arg, the last build stored my stuff in c:\users\xxx\appdata\roaming\minetest   ... now the latest stores them back in c:/minetest
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13:09 Calinou brobostigon, 0.4.2-rc1 is out ;)
13:11 brobostigon thank you Calinou :)
13:11 Calinou it has rollback/logging now
13:11 brobostigon good idea.
13:11 Calinou you can see who griefed a building and rollback it using /rollback (requires rollback privilege)
13:11 brobostigon ah, very useful.
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15:04 NakedFury is the rollback server wide or something player specific?
15:04 Calinou huh?
15:05 NakedFury something like /rollback Calinou and all you did rollsback
15:05 NakedFury or /rollback and the server goes back a few hours
15:05 Calinou not sure
15:06 thexyz first one
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15:10 Nemo08 hi all!
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16:22 Keegan_ hello
16:22 thexyz hi
16:27 Keegan_ what server you guys play on
16:28 thexyz Keegan_: http://servers.minetest.ru/
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16:32 Keegan_ hey sdzen
16:33 sdzen hello
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16:36 Keegan_ can someone make a seperate mod form mobs liike zombies or alien lke stuff
16:36 NakedFury why? right now any mob mod sucks
16:36 Keegan_ i know i ask for a new one
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16:48 Keegan_ still noone talks on here too
16:49 Calinou this is IRC... most people are idling
16:49 Keegan_ for what
16:50 Calinou because?
16:50 Keegan_ what are they idling
16:50 Calinou people are often on 20+ different channels
16:50 bas080 Hey Keegan. maybe you could make a mob mod yourself. Do you have any programming experience?
16:50 Calinou they're sometimes busy or just sleeping
16:50 Calinou bas080, no, he asn't
16:50 Calinou notice bas080 12 year old teen from the forums, see his posts
16:50 Calinou FAIL notice
16:50 Calinou I forgot the /
16:51 * Calinou ragequits
16:51 GTRsdk a 12 year old teen?
16:51 Calinou Keegan_, lol, sorry :p
16:58 bas080 everyone can learn how to program. You only need to put your mind to it.
16:58 Keegan_ ok then how
17:00 GTRsdk For sure need to learn lua, and possibly C++
17:00 bas080 You could try to make a very simple game. Like pong or something. You could use processing.org or gamemaker if you don't want to worry too much about the technical stuff.
17:00 GTRsdk if you want to make a mob pack of some sort
17:00 Calinou <bas080> everyone can learn how to program. You only need to put your mind to it.
17:00 Calinou learning C++
17:00 Calinou OKAY
17:00 Calinou just no, lol.
17:00 * Calinou sucks at lua already... he mostly knows the syntax so that mods "work"
17:01 Calinou I wouldn't even call that programming, yet I made the 3rd most popular mod (forum views)
17:01 Calinou gamemaker hurts your brain forever - don't use it
17:01 bas080 That is my take on it too. Just trying to see the connections and changing stuff. It's not called modding for nothing
17:03 bas080 gamemaker was a gateway programming language to me
17:03 GTRsdk It isn't too hard if you want to do simple stuff
17:03 Calinou colored blocks :3
17:03 GTRsdk like... makign the furnace burn water buckets
17:03 Calinou LOL
17:04 thexyz that can't be called "programming"
17:04 Calinou +1
17:04 Calinou gtg.
17:05 GTRsdk Keegan_: Which OS do you use?
17:16 Keegan_ when does badcommand come on
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17:22 jin_xi the lua book is really good, read it when you want to mod
17:23 Keegan_ what about +++notepad
17:25 GTRsdk notepad++ (if that's what you meant) is kind of like gedit, so... it is good until you want to see white text on a black screen :)
17:25 VanessaE afternoon all
17:25 thexyz doesn't it support themes?
17:26 Keegan_ hey
17:26 GTRsdk maybe it does
17:27 VanessaE looking at the above I have to ask myself:  what's so different between now and 25 years ago that people today just can't seem to figure out how to use and program on a computer?
17:28 VanessaE (Not aimed at you, Keegan.  It's just a general observation)
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17:28 Keegan_ i dont programm i just rebuild computers
17:30 GTRsdk it will be bad then, when the current developers for stuff retire
17:31 VanessaE I learned when I was 12 from books that came with my C64 and additional books and magazines that were popular at the time.
17:31 GTRsdk but once the crackers retire, then it should be all equal
17:31 VanessaE It was a no-brainer back then
17:32 GTRsdk cool
17:32 Keegan_ i have about 4 laptops
17:32 Keegan_ but three is broken and old
17:33 GTRsdk too bad there aren't any guides like that that come with computers nowadays
17:33 VanessaE yeah I know.
17:35 Keegan_ on the game what does the server privs do?
17:36 GTRsdk server privs allow stuff like shutting down the server (just the program though, not the actual computer itself) from within the game
17:36 Keegan_ thats it?
17:37 Keegan_ can you add mods without being the owner
17:37 VanessaE no.
17:38 VanessaE adding mods requires copying files on the machine that acts as the server, and possibly configuring those mods thereon.
17:38 Keegan_ how do you port forward your router
17:38 GTRsdk You can sometimes go to http://router and configure it
17:38 khonkhortisan Keegan_: that's a good question, which I haven't successfully done
17:39 GTRsdk but if you want to play with friends which are on the same network (via LAN), you just give them the NAT ip.
17:40 Keegan_ how do i find my nat ip
17:40 Keegan_ my homepage for my router?
17:41 GTRsdk sometimes you can get it from the router page
17:41 Keegan_ how
17:41 GTRsdk http://router might show something like dHCP clients
17:41 Keegan_ yea im on the router page
17:41 GTRsdk *DHCP
17:42 VanessaE bear in mind that you probably aren't allowed to run a server.  Your ISP's terms of service agreement may forbid such things.
17:42 VanessaE (common with residential internet connections
17:42 VanessaE )
17:42 thexyz what?
17:43 Keegan_ ??
17:43 GTRsdk which would not, however, forbid peopel on your network playing on a server you host (only on NAT though)
17:43 thexyz why the fuck would ISP don't allow you to host a server?
17:43 VanessaE true.
17:43 Keegan_ whats your isp
17:43 VanessaE thexyz: beats the hell out of me.  Bandwidth usage maybe (which is of course, bullshit)
17:43 GTRsdk Keegan_: or you could go to the Windows command prompt, and type in ipconfig
17:44 VanessaE but I have never seen an ISP that allowed you, officially, to run servers of any kind from a residential-level account.
17:44 VanessaE you usually have to pay for a business-level account, even if it's still going to a residence.
17:44 thexyz i think they just don't care
17:44 Keegan_ is the right connection is dyanamic
17:45 Keegan_ ok forget this stuff but how do you port forward
17:45 GTRsdk Which router manufacturer & model?
17:46 GTRsdk and is there a modem which controls stuff going to the router?
17:47 Keegan_ Firmware Version F5D8236-4_WW_3.00.02  Boot Version 1.00  Hardware F5D8236-4 v3000
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17:51 hoxu some old version of minetest server seems to have truncated all playerfiles, and ipban.txt & env_meta.txt
17:51 hoxu how does minetest server handle running out of diskspace (or quota)?
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17:52 GTRsdk Keegan_: Belkin?
17:52 Keegan_ yes
17:53 GTRsdk You need to know your IP address before port forwarding
17:53 Keegan_ do
17:53 GTRsdk but once you know that, there should be a Virtual Servers part on the left side
17:53 Keegan_ yes
17:54 GTRsdk which supposedly makes it work (I haven't had it work due to having a modem block everything for me)
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18:01 Keegan_ ok
18:02 Keegan_ i did the virtual server
18:05 Keegan_ whats a free good port forward programm
18:06 GTRsdk then use canyouseeme.org to see if it works
18:06 thexyz you don't need program for that
18:06 GTRsdk if Tor woudl only do UDP, then it would be possible to anonymously play Minetest...
18:08 Keegan_ I could not see your service on 66.227.###,## on port (30000) Reason: Connection timed out
18:09 GTRsdk which ISP do you have?
18:09 Keegan_ belkin
18:10 Keegan_ charter
18:11 GTRsdk hmm
18:11 GTRsdk it coudl be that the modem blocks stuff too
18:11 GTRsdk if there is one
18:11 Keegan_ there is a modem
18:11 VanessaE (why does everyone and their dog have to use a dedicated router?  Am I the only one who goes direct to the PC and uses THAT as the household router?)
18:12 GTRsdk VanessaE: other people aren't as 1337... a dedicated router is like 1, 2, 3, and it is setup
18:12 VanessaE eh, I suppose
18:12 Keegan_ how to unblock the modem
18:13 thexyz VanessaE: so, you has only one device which can access internet, right?
18:13 thexyz ^ have
18:13 VanessaE thexyz: no.
18:13 VanessaE in fact I have 5 devices that access the network, though only two are currently connected
18:14 thexyz how do you share it then?
18:14 VanessaE (I am too lazy to set up wireless access since my last reinstall)
18:14 VanessaE my PC has a second NIC which goes to a gigabit switch.
18:14 VanessaE and it has a wireless card for devices that need that method, like my laptop, Wii, and Blu-Ray player.
18:14 thexyz anyway
18:14 thexyz it's cheaper to use dedicated router
18:15 VanessaE not really - my workstation IS the routing machine :-)
18:15 VanessaE and print server
18:15 VanessaE and file server
18:15 thexyz do you shut it down?
18:15 VanessaE when neither of us are using it yeah
18:16 Keegan_ whens that barely never
18:16 VanessaE (though usually it's on 24/7)
18:20 GTRsdk if you use an Atom machine, then the price gets to be abotu the same, btu with added freedom... it is worth it
18:20 Keegan_ is badcommand online
18:22 GTRsdk but with a number of routers I've come across, the DHCP servers are not online, so I can't really connect to them :-/
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18:29 Keegan_ anyone have a minecraft account that they dont want anymore
18:30 GTRsdk yeah
18:30 VanessaE no.  No one here would ever use THAT
18:30 Keegan_ can i have it
18:31 GTRsdk Why would you want it? It's not like as if I paid for the full Minecraft.... && Minetest is better IMHO
18:31 Keegan_ i know i just want to grieft minecraft so it wouldnt come over here
18:32 VanessaE if you want to grief something you are not particularly welcome here.  I hope you're not serious.
18:32 Keegan_ im not serious
18:32 Keegan_ actually i just wanted to see how it is
18:32 * VanessaE is a hard-ass when it comes to griefing.
18:33 Keegan_ and play with my school friends
18:33 VanessaE so tell your friends to use minetest, or buy a proper account on minecraft
18:33 Keegan_ but i dont have that much money
18:34 GTRsdk then tell your friends to play minetest
18:34 Keegan_ because they lke mnecraft more
18:35 VanessaE you mean "because they've never tried minetest" don't you?
18:35 GTRsdk if they don't care enough to play minetest just 1 time or so... are they true friends?
18:35 Keegan_ yea
18:40 GTRsdk okay, so I've seen how important the GPU is now... I tried running Minetest on a PowerPC machine, with no GPU drivers, and it gets very low FPS
18:40 * GTRsdk looks into compiling Minetest 0.4.1 on OS X
18:41 VanessaE didn't someone just release an OSX binary?
18:51 GTRsdk Where at?
18:51 VanessaE not sure where, just saw talk of it on -dev a couple days ago
18:52 * GTRsdk only foudn the outdated 0.4-dev ones at a minetest-mac git repo  on github
18:52 Keegan_ gtg
18:58 GTRsdk I doubt the new ones woudl support PowerPC, if there is a new one.
18:59 VanessaE I thought macs went to x86?
19:01 GTRsdk they went to that, then x86_64
19:01 GTRsdk but I don't have any x86 or x86_64 Macs, so I think I might end up having to compile minetest the linux way
19:01 VanessaE ah ok
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20:17 leo_rockway farming mod looks good...
20:17 leo_rockway hello, everyone
20:18 Keegan__ hello is it sable for the latest version
20:18 leo_rockway is there a lua api for setting a spawn point for oneself?
20:18 leo_rockway Keegan__: latest master is not stable but rc1.
20:19 leo_rockway VanessaE: I'm getting better FPS with latest
20:19 Keegan__ im gonna better fps with madchickens fps higher texture pack
20:19 leo_rockway around 60, which makes sense since I have vsync anyway
20:20 leo_rockway I really can't wait for mobs...
20:20 VanessaE leo_rockway: ok
20:20 leo_rockway I like the idea of singleplayer survival mode á la MC
20:20 VanessaE mobs exist - c55 released a preliminary mod that adds DMs back into the game
20:20 leo_rockway VanessaE: yes, they don't do anything yet.
20:20 leo_rockway they don't shoot
20:20 NakedFury how are the mobs? 3d?
20:21 leo_rockway NakedFury: no, still 2d.
20:21 NakedFury ew
20:21 leo_rockway I think c55 doesn't want 3D.
20:21 leo_rockway I don't mind 2D too much
20:21 NakedFury yeah he doesnt want 3d so he hamstrings his engine
20:21 VanessaE leo_rockway: good - I don't want some DM smashing up my house :-)
20:22 leo_rockway I do
20:22 leo_rockway there's no fun otherwise o.o
20:22 NakedFury me too
20:22 VanessaE c55 doesn't want any 3d mobs if the code for them isn't flexible enough
20:22 VanessaE and he doesn't want anything that looks minecraft-ish
20:23 NakedFury too bad
20:23 VanessaE (e.g. blocky like sheep/pigs/players are)
20:23 NakedFury he should have used some other game to copy then
20:23 NakedFury thats easy to not do
20:23 NakedFury give us the option to load 3d models
20:23 NakedFury we take care of the rest
20:23 VanessaE someone, I forget who, was playing around with loading/displaying Q3/OA mobs using some feature already present in irrlicht
20:24 khonkhortisan um if I put two wooden slabs on top of each other I just lost five wood
20:24 NakedFury yes
20:24 VanessaE but whether he was doing that in the context of the game, I don't know
20:24 leo_rockway I don't want to get Minecraft, because it's not free..
20:24 leo_rockway so having MT behave like MC wouldn't be bad for me.
20:24 VanessaE khonkhortisan: yes.  the recipe to make slabs is stupid
20:24 leo_rockway free as in freedom, not money.
20:25 VanessaE 3 blocks -> 6 slabs would make more sense
20:25 VanessaE (and be less wasteful)
20:25 khonkhortisan it should either be 3 wood = 1 slab or 2 slab = 1 wood, not both
20:25 khonkhortisan three blocks is a whole lot of wood!
20:25 VanessaE *nod8
20:25 VanessaE *nod*
20:25 VanessaE it should be 3 wood -> 6 slabs, 2 slabs -> 1 wood.
20:26 VanessaE that way there's no waste
20:26 leo_rockway VanessaE: if you put light outside your house the DMs shouldn't spawn near it anyway, right?
20:26 khonkhortisan three nodes would be much better than three blocks for a recipe :)
20:26 VanessaE and for G*d sakes don't combine the fucking things just because I placed two side by side
20:26 khonkhortisan yeah that's what happened to me, I put it on the side of another one
20:26 VanessaE leo_rockway: dunno.  Been too long since I dealt with (and got my ass kicked by) a DM. :-)
20:27 leo_rockway that's what I know about MC. Mobs only spawn in dark spaces.
20:27 NakedFury yes
20:27 NakedFury dark places and spawners
20:27 leo_rockway I don't like the idea of copying every single feature of MC, but some of them are neat.
20:27 NakedFury yes they are
20:28 leo_rockway I don't really care for the whole nether thing, for instance.
20:28 NakedFury like 3d mobs
20:28 leo_rockway or an end boss.
20:28 leo_rockway I don't care about 3D mobs either, as long as they exist and attack.
20:28 leo_rockway I'm not against them, though.
20:28 NakedFury 3d is better than flat mobs
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20:29 leo_rockway I don't really like the sprites of the animalsmod. They look out of place.
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20:29 VanessaE leo: bug filed.
20:30 leo_rockway VanessaE: for the CPU usage?
20:31 VanessaE no, for the slabs issue, actually that was for khonkhortisan not you :-)
20:31 VanessaE brain-o :-)
20:32 leo_rockway I just noticed that the FPSs had improved because I had lowered the view range to 5...
20:32 leo_rockway I forgot I had done that.
20:32 leo_rockway even then, they still go down to 30...
20:33 Keegan__ download madchickens 3x3 higher fps texture pack
20:34 leo_rockway I'll check them out, but this is still an issue in the new[er] code.
20:34 VanessaE khonkhortisan: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/188
20:34 Keegan__ anyone know openblox??
20:35 VanessaE leo_rockway: I keep mine set at 150.  I'd go higher but minetest is too slow even on fast hardware like mind.
20:35 VanessaE mine*
20:35 VanessaE Keegan__: never heard of it.
20:35 leo_rockway Keegan__: openbox? yes.
20:35 Keegan__ <DangerOnTheRangr> is makng it
20:35 leo_rockway openblox, no idea.
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20:36 leo_rockway I'm thinking of making a bed that sets spawn coordinates and sets the time to morning. The bed mod in the forum is not working anymore, apparently.
20:37 khonkhortisan if it sets the time, wouldn't it only be for singleplayer?
20:37 leo_rockway yes, that's what I usually play...
20:37 Keegan__ he should make it a surivival opton
20:37 leo_rockway mhm
20:38 leo_rockway I want to play minetest survival style
20:38 leo_rockway there's no challenge in getting into a cave now
20:38 leo_rockway since nothing attacks you
20:38 leo_rockway there's no hunger either
20:39 leo_rockway I'm not too keen on creative mode
20:39 NakedFury hunger or sanity bar or thirst
20:39 leo_rockway does MC have those things?
20:39 Keegan__ agreed
20:39 NakedFury only hunger
20:39 leo_rockway I'd like some bar
20:39 NakedFury but we need something to increase challenge
20:39 leo_rockway NakedFury: those are good ideas...
20:40 Keegan__ then there needs to be more food and make cups
20:40 NakedFury hunger or thirst increases your need to make farms or get food
20:40 NakedFury oxigen for underwater exploration
20:40 leo_rockway blockplanet has hunger and oxygen
20:40 leo_rockway bars, that is.
20:41 NakedFury oxygen is in almost all games
20:41 khonkhortisan I'd want food more than oxygen, but soulfu has the hunger way too high
20:41 leo_rockway scuba diving mod o.o
20:41 khonkhortisan yeah!
20:41 Keegan__ plus 10
20:41 leo_rockway I don't have a lot of time, but I really want to make a mod.
20:42 NakedFury for underwater we first need a way to add underwater things without having the water make a bubble
20:42 leo_rockway I've been wanting to toy with Lua for a very long time.
20:42 Keegan__ a clock
20:42 Keegan__ to see the ingame time
20:42 leo_rockway mhm
20:43 leo_rockway there's a light mod that changes intensity according to the amount of light.
20:43 leo_rockway of natural light, that is.
20:43 leo_rockway the guy who did that suggested changing the textures to make a clock.
20:45 Keegan__ a clock and a calender
20:45 Keegan__ for a mod
20:47 leo_rockway VanessaE: does unified dye use flowers?
20:47 VanessaE yes
20:47 VanessaE best to use flowers from Nature Pack Controlled or standard Nature PAck\
20:48 leo_rockway that was my next question =] Thank you.
20:48 VanessaE I probably should adjust the yields in the dyes.  At present, 1 flower produces two portions of pigment
20:49 sfan5 <khonkhortisan> I'd want food more than oxygen, but soulfu has the hunger way too high
20:49 sfan5 blockplanet c++ has food
20:50 leo_rockway the animals mod has raw food
20:50 leo_rockway the nature mod has pies
20:50 sfan5 i mean a hunger bar
20:55 khonkhortisan if I have a spiral staircase, should it be lower in the center or higher in the center?
20:55 leo_rockway weather would be nice...
20:55 VanessaE khonkhortisan: what do you mean lower or higher?
20:56 khonkhortisan if you move in a spiral, you go up and down. If you go toward the center or to the outside of the staircase, it's not flat. There's also stairs going that direction as well as spiraling
20:56 khonkhortisan it's like a cone
20:57 khonkhortisan so should the spiral staircase be shaped like the outside of a cone or the inside of a cone?
20:59 khonkhortisan heh. the person who made stairs forgot to make an offset door
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20:59 arda7an hi!
20:59 khonkhortisan hello
20:59 arda7an how r u doing?
21:00 VanessaE Oh, well I'd have said neither, it should be a simple spiral :-)
21:00 khonkhortisan pretty good, can't say the same for my mods
21:00 khonkhortisan I'm trying to make my luxury house as expensive-looking as possible
21:00 arda7an hmm :D
21:00 leo_rockway meh, farming mod doesn't have description tooltips...
21:00 * leo_rockway adds them
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21:02 arda7an gr8 alt for minecraft i must say
21:02 arda7an $26 ffs is too much for a Java game!
21:02 leo_rockway MC is 26USD?
21:02 Keegan__ yes
21:02 arda7an yeah
21:02 VanessaE pay for software?  *shudder*
21:03 thexyz no, it's free
21:03 thexyz oops, wait...
21:03 khonkhortisan yes xyz we changed subjects
21:04 leo_rockway I don't mind paying as long as I have the freedom to do with it whatever I want
21:04 leo_rockway if I had spare money I'd donate to a lot of projects. Minetest would be one of them.
21:05 NakedFury I dont know why paying for software is so bad, creators need to eat too
21:05 leo_rockway I'd probably set bounties. Give me nice mobs, you get 50USD or something like that.
21:05 khonkhortisan paying for updates is bad
21:05 VanessaE actually I was thinking of dropping a little something into c55's coffers as a "thank you"
21:06 khonkhortisan freedroid rpg has mob bounties, the robots drop electronics you can sell
21:06 leo_rockway VanessaE: yeah, I want to do that. I can't get USD in my country, though :S
21:06 leo_rockway nor Euros =[
21:06 khonkhortisan why?
21:06 leo_rockway khonkhortisan: government has set up a restriction.
21:06 VanessaE what country?
21:07 NakedFury anti american and european country
21:07 leo_rockway oh, I played freedroid once. At the time it was crashing for me (a video card problem). I should try it again.
21:07 leo_rockway Argentina
21:07 VanessaE ah
21:07 NakedFury latin power!!!
21:07 leo_rockway it's not exactly anti american or european. The government is running out of money, so they are gathering all the dollars / euros themselves...
21:07 khonkhortisan with freedroid rpg, you get to the end of the game, and find out it's still being developed. Then when you update it, you find out your savefile doesn't work anymore.
21:07 leo_rockway they say it's because of patriotism, though o.0
21:08 leo_rockway khonkhortisan: yeah, I'm kind of used to that...
21:08 khonkhortisan patriotism isn't collecting money from other countries
21:08 leo_rockway yes, tell that to them :S
21:08 khonkhortisan I stopped playing freedroid for that reason
21:08 leo_rockway anyway, I'm testing 3 games: Minetest, OpenGOO, Flare...
21:08 leo_rockway so I'm used to things changing
21:08 leo_rockway and being incomplete
21:19 * leo_rockway fails at adding tooltips to the farming mod :S
21:24 leo_rockway I succeeded for the hoe, but it has a generic "Hoe" description instead of "Stone hoe"
21:26 leo_rockway well, now it's called cobble hoe...
21:27 leo_rockway but it's the best I can do without reading on Lua grammar...
21:31 khonkhortisan Lease the new Cobblehoe with zero percent APR financing...
21:33 VanessaE oh and for crying out loud, the words are "potato" and "rye", not "potatoe" and "rhy". :-)
21:33 GTRsdk <GTRsdk> ;;isitdown minecraft.net
21:33 GTRsdk <gribble> http://minecraft.net Is Down -> Check if your website is up or down?
21:33 khonkhortisan I don't get it
21:34 leo_rockway there, fixed the names and I'm learning Lua ^_^
21:35 leo_rockway VanessaE: I haven't seen that yet. That's funny.
21:35 VanessaE heh
21:36 VanessaE maybe cornernote's copy is outdated, but that's what they were in the ones he had in that minetest recipe/mod wiki thing he's working on :-)
21:39 leo_rockway what's cotton useful for?
21:39 VanessaE I think jordach's cotton mod uses it
21:39 VanessaE otherwise I'm not exactly sure
21:39 leo_rockway also, there's this tall grass thing that has no tips and no mining animation...
21:40 leo_rockway this one farming:tallgrass
21:41 leo_rockway I have no seeds yet...
21:45 leo_rockway there's probably a reason why the farming mod is in "old mods"
21:50 leo_rockway yay, seeds!
21:59 khonkhortisan haha putting a step under another step combines them. I guess they aren't meant for the ceiling
22:04 VanessaE shouldn't happen with stairs, only slabs
22:05 khonkhortisan yes it was slabs
22:05 khonkhortisan my spiral staircase doesn't exactly match up with the floors
22:21 Keegan__ how do you get rid of cloud without worldedit
22:22 khonkhortisan admin pickaxe? creative mode?
22:22 Keegan__ is the admin pckaxe a mod?
22:22 khonkhortisan yeah
22:26 Keegan__ how do you do it with creative mode
22:27 khonkhortisan how did you get cloud?
22:28 Keegan__ giveme
22:29 khonkhortisan I dunno, someone else take over this conversation
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23:12 khonkhortisan aw no glass slabs
23:14 leo_rockway whoever maintains minetest.com needs to update the "what's the catch" part. Minetest has sounds.
23:14 * khonkhortisan saw that and kept quiet
23:15 leo_rockway and coal can't be made by smelting trunks anymore.
23:15 khonkhortisan aw that would've been cool if I could do that, I have hundreds of trunks
23:15 leo_rockway khonkhortisan: it used to be like that. Kind of like MC charcoal.
23:16 leo_rockway apparently mesecons is fun, but I can't remember all the recipes, so I'm not even going to try it.
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23:20 leo_rockway well, farming mod doesn't work, that's for sure... I can't rip what I sow.
23:20 leo_rockway reap*
23:35 leo_rockway great, I think I'll be able to have a bed that saves the spawn location and sets the time to morning soon...
23:36 leo_rockway only for singleplayer
23:46 cy1 well, glomie's server's on protocol 12...
23:46 cy1 leo_rockway: There's a mod for smelting trunks into coal.
23:49 leo_rockway cy1: yeah, sounds like an easy enough mod. Thanks for the tip, though.
23:49 leo_rockway there's plenty of real coal anyway...
23:56 GTRsdk smelting trunks into mese or iron woudl be awesome :D
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23:57 Keegan hello my friends
23:59 leo_rockway where's the API reference?
23:59 leo_rockway I found this: http://minetest.net/wiki/doku.php?id=code:global_functions
23:59 leo_rockway but seems rather incomplete...

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