Time Nick Message 00:16 FreeFull "Fix hovering after mining a block underneath you while sneaking" No D: 02:02 * VanessaE has returned 06:51 cornernote hey 08:19 yunfan redcrab: hi, need build privileges 08:25 brobostigon good morning everyone. 08:27 yunfan good afternoon ;] 08:28 brobostigon hi yunfan :) 08:28 yunfan brobostigon: hi 08:47 cornernote hi 08:47 jin_xi sup 08:47 brobostigon hi cornernote and jin_xi 08:47 cornernote i'll try to release the wiki mod tonight 08:48 cornernote do you think i should include a texture pack with it, or just let it harvest all the images it needs ? 08:49 cornernote i was thinking of including some sqlite databases too, one with the default mods, and one with every mod i can lay my hands on 08:49 cornernote if anyone is unsure what i am talking about - http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2479 09:22 jordach morning 09:23 brobostigon morning jordach 09:24 jordach sup 09:24 sfan5 hi jordach 09:25 brobostigon jordach: nought much, just trying to survive, and you? 09:25 jordach nothin 09:26 jordach hanging around #minetest 09:26 brobostigon :) 09:28 * jordach notes calinou isnmt 09:28 jordach isnt around 10:52 te3 hey ttk2, you're the admin of civcraft, right? 10:52 ttk2 yes 10:52 te3 remember the nazis? most of them went "home" and play on my server now 10:53 ttk2 Interesting 10:53 te3 (I'm the admin of KC/int/'s official server) 10:53 te3 it's been really fun to watch 10:53 ttk2 You should see Civcraft, so many players all doing their own thing. 10:53 te3 yeah ours is freestyle too 10:53 ttk2 There is so much going on I cant even keep track of half the complexity 10:54 te3 we're a bit smaller, but there's still enough going on 10:54 ttk2 how do you handle block protection and player enforcement of rules? 10:54 te3 logblock and and admin-appointed mods 10:54 ttk2 bah humbug 10:54 te3 the second one is kinda inherited 10:55 te3 and I gave my players logblock tools to look up who changed a block 10:55 te3 so it's a bit like your snitchblock, but less realtime 10:55 te3 we're more focused on building historically 10:56 ttk2 Prisonpearl and citadel are the lynch pin in my master evil plan to never actually have to moderate 10:56 te3 yeah I'm moving towards that 10:56 te3 so much drama I have to arbitrate 10:57 te3 how good is nocheat? 10:57 ttk2 let other players arbitrate and the players enforce 10:57 te3 problem is, we're not continuously 50+ players 10:57 ttk2 nocheat is half way decent, but anticheat does not work well with our config so I have never tried it 10:58 te3 more around 10, or 0-30 10:58 ttk2 Just learn to get into the config file and change values and you can get it to do whatever you need. 10:58 te3 depends on update cycle and political events 10:59 te3 I inherited the server from the former admin and there's a great builder culture I don't want to destroy 10:59 ttk2 Different servers have different purposes 10:59 ttk2 what sort of hardware are you on? 11:00 te3 http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex4 11:00 te3 nothing special really 11:00 ttk2 brb and I will show you our planned upgrade hardware. 11:00 te3 I briefly looked at your upgrade post on the civcraft reddit 11:01 te3 (and got a bit jealous but our current hardware meets our need just fine) 11:02 te3 we always had a rule that put players over nations and legalized pvp only if consensual 11:02 te3 so naturally we went a different way 11:08 te3 oh and several of the new players have bugged me for citadel 11:08 ttk2 do you want the .jar? 11:08 te3 isn't the source on github? 11:09 ttk2 it is 11:09 ttk2 but people are lazy sometimes. The source is newer though, but the .jar we have running now is considered the 'stable' version 11:09 te3 ah, good to know 11:10 te3 there's still a sizable diaspora of reich players, let's see if I can catch them all... 11:10 ttk2 pokemon! 11:11 te3 exactly! 11:11 ttk2 http://www.reddit.com/r/Civcraft/comments/wn5b6/server_upgrade_hardware_discussion/ 11:11 ttk2 we are probably going with build 1 11:12 ttk2 16gigs of the fastest server memory available, nearly 4ghz 6 core processor on the new lga 2011 arch 11:13 te3 consider me jelly 11:13 ttk2 Hexapus provides us with free rack space and unlimited bandwith+power, our only cost is the server hardware itself 11:14 ttk2 Our current server is a dual 3.0ghz quad core (socket 771) with 32gigs ddr2 800mhz 11:14 ttk2 but the older memory arch is bad for minecraft newer Xeons and i7's preform much better 11:14 ttk2 especially with faster memory 11:15 ttk2 Since everyone else rents their servers it seems like very few people have really done their hardware research on Minecraft to figure out whats best, too me forever to gather the needed info 11:15 te3 yeah, so far I've only optimized the plugins themselves and I'm sure there's still considerable optimization space before I really need new hardware 11:15 te3 have you considered using canary? 11:16 te3 a friend helps run minecraftonline and he told me they chose it because it had a non-insane plugin api and ran faster than bukkit 11:16 ttk2 what is canary? Ah do you mean the spout project? 11:17 te3 canarymod 11:17 ttk2 is that the code name for it? 11:17 te3 http://www.canarymod.net/ 11:17 ttk2 will test preformance later 11:18 te3 I've been flirting with it but I'd need to completely overhaul the server since the plugin ecosystem is very different, so I haven't got around to seriously testing it yet 11:18 darkrose why is this crap being discussed here? go away 11:18 te3 darkrose, coincidence 11:19 darkrose great, coincedently take it elsewhere 11:19 te3 I've been toying with minetest on the side of adminning a medium large bukkit community and the communities (or parts of them) of our servers had a run-in on ttk2's server 11:20 te3 but we hadn't talked to each other in person yet 11:21 ttk2 Now I wait, if Mojang does a good job with the 1.4 modding api (a stretch I know) then I stay with them. Otherwise its time to move on 11:21 te3 my players (or the more curious ones) love minetest btw, but alas this is only a hobby project for me and I have only so much concentration to spare 11:22 ttk2 Monetizing Civcraft will have to wait for a larger community. 11:22 te3 you were a bit frustrated with the direction mojang takes MC to, right? 11:23 nyuszika7h Hi 11:23 ttk2 More than a bit, but its their game. I have no right to complain. 11:24 ttk2 Its not their job to make like easier for me, its mine to solve my own problems. 11:24 ttk2 hello nyu 11:24 te3 mmh 11:25 te3 enchanting added a bit too much mmo for my taste but silk touch is awesome 11:26 ttk2 We hope to modify the mechanic, but looking at Minetest we would probably remove and replace it with others if we had to build one from scratch 11:26 te3 minetest means that players can code up their own mods in lua without much effort 11:28 ttk2 well aware of that, but the question comes how exactly to replace that mechanic, we have been trying to design a couple of tech trees to that end. 11:28 te3 I've always dreamed of a multiserver minecraft that doesn't need to run on one single machine, since that quickly becomes expensive 11:28 nyuszika7h I wonder, can Minetest mods do as complex things as some of the Minecraft mods? 11:28 ttk2 Tell me about it. 11:28 ttk2 nyuszika7h: From what I know so far the API is very powerful and they can easily do things that where nearly impossible for bukkit mods 11:29 nyuszika7h :O Nice 11:29 te3 just some way of, yeah, scaling out mc worlds so you run them on a few moderately sized machines instead of one insanely sized (and pricey one) 11:30 ttk2 We could run 8 MC servers on our current hardware alone, if we could link them it would be epic. 11:30 ttk2 But the problem comes down to the map. 11:30 te3 hm! 11:30 te3 seamless transition between servers 11:30 ttk2 I was thinking, with Minetest the map is a sql database 11:31 te3 I heard of one popular server putting craftproxy in front of their bukkits so each bukkit ran only one world 11:31 ttk2 meaning you could in theory have one server dedicated to the map and then on lan a few others that actually hosted the players, they share hosting of a no mans land between the sections they each host so that players can walk between without issue. 11:31 te3 and when players went through a portal, they switched server but never noticed 11:31 te3 because the proxy handled it transparently 11:31 nyuszika7h ttk2: That's nice, how much do you pay for the server? 11:31 te3 I don't think they released the source 11:32 ttk2 We pay nothing per month 11:32 nyuszika7h Nothing? 11:32 ttk2 free hosting, bandwith, and power from a friend 11:32 nyuszika7h :o 11:32 ttk2 we just by the server hardware and rack it. 11:33 nyuszika7h My current server isn't too good in means of RAM and HDD... they promise 1024MB but only give 989MB RAM 11:33 te3 ah I see, you mean db replication in the minetest backend? 11:33 ttk2 te3 a little like that, but the details would obviously need to be worked out. 11:34 te3 the minetest server can become laggy pretty fast, but my minetest admin skills are entry level at best 11:34 te3 so I'm blaming it on me 11:34 ttk2 it requires a different approach. 11:35 ttk2 Its only better if used properly, like a lot of things. 11:39 te3 does civcraft have an irc? I'd love to lurk on it 11:42 te3 (I can't play on your server since I'm a pirate client user) 11:46 ttk2 te3: We run a mumble voice chat server 11:46 ttk2 better than IRC in my opinion. 11:52 te3 nah, irc has logs 11:54 te3 anyway nice to talk to you! 11:54 te3 <- bed 12:11 cornernote quick Q .. does MT 0.4.1 contain the patch to allow more items ? .. i seem to be getting the serialize error again 12:12 darkrose no 12:15 cornernote OMG 12:15 cornernote what was the release for ? 12:19 jordach2 we need that commit for 0.4.2 12:19 jordach2 NOW 12:23 jin_xi lol 12:44 rsiska hello. so, what's up with redcrab.sure.net? 12:44 rsiska it seems to be down... 12:55 jordach2 rsiska, its a bug with the server 13:06 Calinou MINETEST 0.4.1 13:06 jordach why 13:06 jordach wtf Calinou 13:06 jordach you walk in: RAGE then leave 13:06 Calinou BECAUSE 13:07 jordach s/RAGE/TROLL 13:07 jordach hi TheLastProject 13:07 Calinou Kray, you should update your servers to 0.4 it's official :p 13:07 Calinou (and reset the world) 13:07 jordach YES 13:07 jordach PLEASE 13:07 jordach YES 13:07 jordach and add moderators 13:08 Calinou ^ 13:08 jordach plus lua mods 13:08 Calinou build-by-default is okay if you have some moderators 13:08 jordach like cotton 13:08 TheLastProject Hi jordach 13:08 Kray two words: EVE Online 13:08 TheLastProject 0.4 has officially been released? 13:08 Calinou wool, moreblocks, moreores, stairsplus, doorsplus :p 13:08 jordach YES 13:08 Calinou yes 13:08 Calinou 0.4.1 now 13:10 TheLastProject Well, that's cool 13:11 TheLastProject Looks like it's not updated on the AUR yet o,o 13:11 jordach TheLastProject, compile your self# 13:12 TheLastProject Oh well, guess that'll happen soon enough 13:12 TheLastProject jordach, I could do that, but I'm lazy :3 13:12 * jordach and Calinou self compile 13:12 Calinou no, I'm on windows right now 13:12 Calinou why would I self-compile? 13:12 TheLastProject Why would you use Windows? 13:12 * Calinou recompiles hit git on debian though 13:12 Calinou TheLastProject, drivers, software compat, preinstalled 13:13 jordach Calinou, thats what I meant 13:13 Calinou (well I mostly use crossplatform software) 13:13 jordach on debian based systems 13:13 Calinou Looks like it's not updated on the AUR yet o,o 13:13 TheLastProject Ubuntu has stuff preinstalled *hides* 13:13 Calinou AUR can go fuck itself 13:13 Calinou any and all packages for games can 13:13 Calinou compile it yourself or install a precompiled version from the devs 13:13 Calinou (good devs have precompiled linux bins.) 13:13 jordach :3 13:13 jordach IKR 13:14 Calinou -- *** Will build version 0.4.1 *** 13:14 Calinou :3 13:14 Calinou yay, warnings 13:16 jordach IKR 13:16 jordach lol 13:16 jordach FIX EM 13:16 Calinou CANT 13:17 TheLastProject Who cares about warnings. As long as it runs it's good :P 13:18 TheLastProject Hmmm... how I cross-compile QT stuff on my Arch Linux? :( 13:18 TheLastProject I only get it to compile a Linux executable for me :( 13:19 jordach im playing a java game 13:19 Calinou arch sucks 13:19 Calinou jordach, inb4 minecraft 13:19 jordach wrong 13:19 TheLastProject jordach, Spiral Knights? 13:19 jordach canvas rider 13:19 TheLastProject Calinou, Yeah yeah, whatever~ 13:19 TheLastProject That's my not point 13:19 TheLastProject Every OS sucks, really 13:19 TheLastProject Some just suck less than others 13:19 TheLastProject And I find Arch to suck less than Ubuntu and Windows, so yeah 13:19 * jordach likes FreeBSD 13:20 TheLastProject Last time I tried FreeBSD it was terribly buggy and crashed when I clicked the installer icon. Guess I should go back to it once again, who knows, maybe it works for me now 13:21 jordach TheLastProject, hardware 13:21 TheLastProject Oh yeah, that exists as well 13:21 TheLastProject Derp 13:21 * TheLastProject knows absolutely nothing about computers 13:22 * jordach knows more than the big IT guys 13:22 Calinou lolfreebsd 13:22 TheLastProject lolcalinou 13:22 * jordach also knows how to hack banks 13:22 Calinou * TheLastProject knows absolutely nothing about computers 13:22 Calinou this explains why you use arch 13:22 * Calinou hacks jordach 13:22 * jordach kicks Calinou 13:22 TheLastProject Calinou, Next up: Gentoo :P 13:22 TheLastProject (inb4 rage) 13:22 Calinou lol 13:23 jordach [oaerjo[jigjsadpoigpdjozjdpvodifj-\osgjvpozdoe[fvoiwefdfnon - gentoo 13:23 jordach here. go grab xubuntu and then life is easy 13:23 darkrose gentoo ftw! 13:24 TheLastProject Ewww XFCE 13:24 * jordach stabs darkrose 13:24 TheLastProject It's like GNOME2's ugly brother 13:24 * TheLastProject hides 13:24 jordach TheLastProject, no. 13:24 jordach its nice and simple 13:24 jordach UNLIKE GNOME 3 13:24 * TheLastProject looks at desktop 13:24 TheLastProject Oh, hi GNOME3 13:24 TheLastProject I'm not using it to be productive 13:24 TheLastProject Because, let's be honest, it's anything but that 13:24 * darkrose adds -stab to use flags, is immune to jordach 13:24 TheLastProject It's a terrible mess 13:25 TheLastProject And a design disaster 13:25 TheLastProject But it looks nice 13:25 TheLastProject :P 13:25 jordach TheLastProject, http://pastebin.com/MrU3utds 13:25 jordach red gnome 3 13:28 TheLastProject I'm reading all of it, it's funny 13:28 * jordach rages 13:29 cornernote where is clay mostly found ? 13:29 jordach near water 13:29 cornernote it seems really rare 13:29 jordach or sans 13:29 jordach sand 13:29 jordach natural water + sand = clay 13:29 cornernote but then when i find it, theres tons and tons 13:29 jordach ikr 13:30 cornernote does it take time to be there ? 13:30 jordach no. 13:30 jordach WRONG 13:30 Calinou XFCE FTW 13:30 Calinou XFCE looks better than gnome 2 13:30 * jordach wants to slap celeron55 for all those useless commits 13:31 TheLastProject Well, I must say XFCE is pretty fine 13:31 Calinou gnome3 is slow and boated 13:31 * jordach lo-fives Calinou 13:31 TheLastProject I bucked up my X 13:31 Calinou I use debian testing + XFCE 13:31 Calinou :3 13:31 TheLastProject And no desktop environment/window manager would run 13:31 TheLastProject And XFCE was like "dude, I'll run, no problem" 13:31 TheLastProject And it worked perfectly 13:31 Calinou trolling FTW; people keep saying things like "UVE DONE WRONG STUFF TESTING ISNT FOR NOOBZ LIKE U" but I still use it 13:31 TheLastProject But everything else, GNOME, KDE, Awesome, idk was like "nope" 13:31 jordach TheLastProject, STAY AWAY FROM LINUX 13:31 Calinou KDE lol 13:32 TheLastProject jordach, Why? :( 13:32 TheLastProject It's so much more enjoyable to use than Windows :( 13:32 jordach you bucked x window up 13:32 jordach this should tell you something 13:32 TheLastProject >Implying X is great software 13:32 cornernote do things like clay and ore grow back over time ? 13:32 darkrose no 13:32 * jordach wants to know the legality of removing celeron55's spleen 13:32 cornernote or u have to go further and further to mine ? 13:34 * jordach is compling with make -j16 13:35 jordach make -j16 - for people who cant wait 13:37 TheLastProject jordach, BTW, Calinou may possibly still remember that, when I first used Arch I couldn't figure out how to start DBUS before KDE so KDE kept segfaulting on me on boot :3 13:38 jordach lol 13:38 Calinou lol starting everything by hand 13:38 Calinou this is why outofthebox distros were invented, and are better 13:38 Calinou jordach, make -j 13:38 Calinou ^ uses all your jobs 13:38 Calinou -j without anything after j 13:38 Calinou cornernote, ores cannot "grow" 13:38 Calinou LOL 13:38 * Calinou farms ores using an hoe 13:38 TheLastProject Calinou: What's wrong with only starting the junk you need, so you don't waste boot time with useless daemons you don't use anyway? 13:39 Calinou hard and takes time; not worth it 13:39 Calinou It's so much more enjoyable to use than Windows :( 13:39 Calinou windows is enjoyable because it Just Works, and has good compatbility and good drivers 13:39 jordach Calinou, i quite like using windows 13:39 Calinou linux is enjoyable if you don't play games and are lucky with hardware 13:39 * jordach waits for steam on linux 13:39 Calinou mac os can go fuck itself 13:39 Calinou lol steam on linux 13:40 jordach macsa 13:40 darkrose people still use windows? 13:40 TheLastProject Calinou, Windows is not enjoyable at all 13:40 jordach macs, we want to know everything about you 13:40 TheLastProject It's terrible 13:40 TheLastProject An hour in Windows makes me cry, really... 13:40 TheLastProject Even on Linux I can get my stuff done SO much faster than on Windows 13:41 jordach then try VISTA 13:41 Calinou why? 13:41 Calinou lolvista 13:41 TheLastProject jordach: I used Vista 13:41 TheLastProject GOD 13:41 TheLastProject Luckily 7 is SOMEWHAT better 13:41 TheLastProject Though still not great 13:41 Calinou Even on Linux I can get my stuff done SO much faster than on Windows 13:41 Calinou how? 13:41 TheLastProject Calinou: python2 build.py -> works 13:41 TheLastProject Instead of C:\Python27\python.exe build.py 13:41 Calinou "tar -xzvf porn.tgz; cp porn -roeijfizhnubfuyfuyu lol; python node.js" 13:41 Calinou ^ average linuxians 13:41 Calinou this is what I fucking hate about linux 13:41 TheLastProject Only to have it fail after 10 seconds 13:42 Calinou python on windows is bleh; this is why python is bleh 13:42 TheLastProject Errr... Why would you... 13:42 jordach y u not use MS OFFICE 13:42 TheLastProject There are unzipping utils 13:42 TheLastProject LibreOffice FTW 13:42 TheLastProject I'm not going to remember "tar -xzvf" 13:42 TheLastProject Who came up with that dumb syntax anyway? 13:42 TheLastProject xzvf? 13:42 TheLastProject What? 13:43 TheLastProject Oh well :P 13:43 TheLastProject Sometimes command lines are awesome, sometimes a GUI is much nicer 13:43 TheLastProject git commit -m "Blahblahblah" 13:43 TheLastProject Much easier than some crappy GUI 13:44 Calinou http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2480 13:44 Calinou OFFICIAL TROLL THREAD 2012 13:44 Calinou MADE BY MAUVEBIC(R) 13:44 Calinou upboats TheLastProject for libreoffice 13:44 EVOx hello 13:44 Calinou hi 13:45 EVOx i've got a question about the minetest, are there monsters in the night? 13:45 Calinou mauvebic should come to this IRC. 13:45 Calinou :xc 13:45 Calinou :c* 13:45 Calinou EVOx, not in 0.4.x 13:45 Calinou only in 0.3.1 (in caves, not at night at the surface) 13:45 EVOx ah okay 13:45 Calinou the latest version lacks any mobs :/ 13:51 TheLastProject Dammit Three Rings Designs e-mail me back :( 13:51 jordach OOO the rings for you TheLastProject 13:52 TheLastProject (Dammit, my buildbot isn't working :() 13:52 Calinou http://c55.me/blog/ 13:52 Calinou GAH 13:52 Calinou "its" not "it's" (near "rough edges") 13:53 Calinou "There currently does not exist a complete changelog since the latest of the 0.3 series. I’ll figure that out and post it in the near future. It will be LONG. as. hell." 13:53 * Calinou points to himself 13:54 * jordach points to himself 13:54 Calinou https://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/0.4_changelog.txt 13:55 EVOx how about the servers population? 13:56 EVOx are there many players or better where can i check who's online? 13:56 TheLastProject Calinou, Thanks 13:57 Calinou EVOx, not really 13:57 EVOx okay 13:58 EVOx last night i tried one of the servers and i think i was alone ^^ 13:58 EVOx then i changed over to singleplay mode and tried some things because i'm new to the craft scene ^^ 13:59 jordach i think we know 13:59 VanessaE morning all 14:00 jordach http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-220712-145952.php TROLL 14:00 EVOx morning ^^ 14:01 TheLastProject lolol 14:01 VanessaE (oops) 14:01 jordach wth VanessaE 14:01 Calinou hi 14:02 VanessaE Ctrl-W -> wrong window. 14:02 jordach keyboard shortcut failure 14:03 VanessaE no, focus-follows-mouse, rather than focus-follows-eyes 14:22 jordach sup 14:30 afkael Hola!! someone I can spend a server? 14:30 VanessaE ? 14:30 afkael sorry.. i dont speak english.. 14:31 afkael a server address? 14:31 VanessaE you mean a list of servers? 14:31 afkael all is offline 14:31 afkael yes!!! 14:32 VanessaE redcrab.suret.net port 30401 14:32 VanessaE minetest.ru port 30001 14:32 VanessaE those are two that I use 14:32 afkael ok 14:32 afkael gracias!! 14:32 VanessaE mt1.gameboom.net port 30001 (but you need a gameboom account) 14:32 VanessaE not sure if ecube's server is online, but it is ecubechat.co.cc port 30000 14:33 VanessaE er, typo error, gameboom is port 30000 14:34 afkael ok 14:34 VanessaE note that some of these might not work with minetest 0.4.1 because the servers are not updated 14:40 Calinou port 30000, not 30001 for gameboom VanessaE 14:40 Calinou ecube's sucks :P 14:40 VanessaE [07-22 10:33] er, typo error, gameboom is port 30000 14:40 Calinou ah 14:41 VanessaE you suck. ;-) 14:41 Calinou still no "remember password" thingie :c 14:41 VanessaE yeah I know 14:41 VanessaE it needs a server manager 14:49 Calinou Kray, will you update the minetest servers? 14:49 Calinou hi Jeija 14:49 VanessaE afternoon Jeija 14:50 jordach Jeija IS AWESOME 14:51 Jeija Hi! 14:52 Calinou Jeija made the mesecons mod. Rumors have it that he programmed it during a power outage in the summer of 1812 while he was carrying infants out of a burning church which was built on the back of a giant opossum. Also he is 11'6" tall and glows in the dark. 14:52 Jeija How do you know??? 14:53 VanessaE Jeija: Y U no like my battery textures? ;-) 14:55 Jeija "EDIT: Actually those won't work, now that I see how the nodeboxes play out in practice." 14:55 VanessaE hehe 14:55 VanessaE I suppose I shoulda qualified that more: 14:56 VanessaE the top texture may look weird, since you made them look sorta like a container filling up/draining out 14:56 VanessaE but seeing what you used, they may work fine after all :-) 14:56 Fixer is kray's server online? and redcrabs too? 14:56 jordach no. 14:56 jordach both dead 14:56 jordach likethe bones mod 14:56 Fixer funny 14:57 Fixer what is not dead? 14:57 Jeija k, I`m busy with another minetest related project, I can change the textures later on or maybe tomorrow 14:57 jordach minetest related? 14:57 VanessaE the one I submitted includes a "dead" option also btw 14:57 Jeija ingame mod manager 14:57 jordach sweyt 14:57 jordach sweet 14:58 Calinou ingame mod manager 14:58 Calinou cool 14:58 Calinou we really need some server list program imo 14:58 Jeija For all that we need a central server 14:59 Calinou yeah, and c55 needs to move his ass to improve the ping packet 14:59 Calinou to add number of players, server name 14:59 Calinou :p 14:59 VanessaE https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/master 14:59 Jeija I`m gonna code half of the modmanager in lua 14:59 VanessaE c55 is definitely "moving his ass" 14:59 Jeija 1) because it is easier 14:59 VanessaE just not on the ping issue 14:59 Jeija 2) because you can use it also in game, not just in menu 15:00 Fixer http://servers.minetest.ru/ 15:00 Jeija why don`t you make it yourself? 15:00 Calinou VanessaE, yeah :) 15:00 Calinou http://servers.minetest.ru/ 15:00 Calinou a good start, but no number of players 15:00 Fixer it can be improved probably 15:01 * VanessaE can't play on redcrab's 30401 server anymore, at least for now :( 15:01 VanessaE the mapblock I'm in is broken :( 15:02 Fixer VanessaE: it is down for me 15:02 VanessaE it's up 15:02 VanessaE but it'll go down in about 10 seconds 15:03 VanessaE oops, wait, wrong port 15:03 Fixer 30401 is down 15:03 VanessaE you're right 15:03 VanessaE damn 15:03 VanessaE something bigger must have happened 15:03 VanessaE you saw the posts on the forum? 15:04 Fixer no, btw +37C 15:04 VanessaE well long story short, something happened where I was digging that caused some kind of bug in the server. Now every time I sign on, down it goes. 15:04 VanessaE same happened for another user there 15:04 Fixer lol! 15:05 Fixer !seen redcrab 15:07 Calinou !thisisnotgamesurge 15:07 Calinou again 15:08 VanessaE cisoun 15:08 Calinou hi 15:08 TheLastProject Ugh, every DE sucks :( 15:08 VanessaE get XFCE :-) 15:08 VanessaE It Sucks Less (tm) 15:09 Calinou xfce FTW 15:09 Fixer or TDM or MATE 15:09 Calinou lacks some software unfortunately 15:09 Calinou mate can go fuck itself 15:09 Fixer or Cinnamonn 15:09 TheLastProject TDM? 15:09 Fixer TDE 15:09 Fixer of course 15:09 Fixer KDE=3.5 15:09 TheLastProject Fixer, I just tried Cinnamon, bugged out on me completely 15:09 TheLastProject Ah, Trinity 15:10 TheLastProject Well, I already have KDE4 here 15:10 TheLastProject And it conflicts and stuff 15:10 TheLastProject So yeah... 15:10 Calinou KDE sucks 15:10 TheLastProject Calinou: EVERYTHING SUCKS 15:10 Fixer use XFCE 15:10 Calinou FTW 15:10 Fixer GNOME 2 sucked, 3 is strange, KDE was always bloated 15:11 Fixer i'm using xfce when i sometimes login into linux 15:11 Fixer 4.10 looks wonderful for me 15:11 Fixer can't wait for it 15:11 Fixer also, you can compile kde3/gnome/2 etc by yourself 15:12 Calinou gnome 2 was ok, gnome 3 sucks, KDE is bloated 15:12 Calinou lol, compiling a DE 15:12 Calinou that's like compiling a kernel - useless 15:12 Fixer well, people complained a lot about functionality of G2 15:13 Calinou G1 fanboys? :p 15:13 Fixer kde people, and people who don't like kde and g2 15:22 Jeija Anyone know how to read a table that a lua function called from C++ returned in C++? 15:24 Calinou how minetest view bobbing feels like: http://i.imgur.com/e6YHD.gif 15:26 VanessaE heh 15:27 Fixer btw, no need for screen shaking too much, it can annoy 15:38 * Calinou disabled view bobbing amount (amount set to 0) 15:40 FreeFull That's not how chicken heads actually move 15:40 VanessaE I think the designers were going for a more cutesy/cartoonish look 15:40 FreeFull Chicken heads move in a way that maximises the time the head isn't moving relative to the surroundings 15:41 FreeFull Because chickens can't move their eyes 15:41 Calinou :o 15:41 VanessaE cars don't drift backwards half a meter before rocketing forwards when someone stomps on the gas either, but it looks good in such a situation 15:43 FreeFull VanessaE: Maybe they would on a steep hill 15:43 VanessaE ok, point conceded. 15:43 VanessaE (in fact, mine does, and it has an auto trans in it) 15:43 VanessaE but not normally, on level roads :-) 15:44 FreeFull Anyway, that's why chicken heads move back slowly when they walk and then suddenly move forward 16:06 EVOx which server is actually online? i got preoblems to connect to some servers listed 16:22 Calinou EVOx, http://servers.minetest.ru/ 16:22 Calinou try this 16:23 VanessaE bbl 16:57 Calinou http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Version_History 16:57 Calinou :3 17:11 Calinou 508 edits on minetest wiki \o/ 17:11 Calinou hi sfan5 17:11 Calinou 0 17:11 Calinou 0.4.1 out* :D 17:14 jordach WE 17:14 jordach KNOW 17:14 Calinou NOT 17:14 Calinou EVERYONE 17:14 Calinou MAY 17:14 Calinou KNOW 17:14 Calinou RIGHT 17:14 Calinou NOW 17:14 Calinou BECAUSE 17:14 Calinou IT 17:14 Calinou WAS 17:14 Calinou RELEASED 17:14 Calinou TODAY 17:14 sfan5 LOL 17:14 Calinou :} 18:08 jordach hi cisoun 18:10 rsiska If you have to use windows for some reason, I recommend you bblean! It's blackbox-like window manager for windoze. It makes the experience little less painful. 18:10 rsiska oops, I was reading logs :D 18:11 jordach tut tut tut tut tut tut 18:13 jordach VanessaE, i have worked out connecting pipes ish 18:14 jordach we have been stupid all this time 18:14 jordach no node boxes 18:14 jordach nada 18:14 jordach some clever renders 18:14 Calinou If you have to use windows for some reason, I recommend you bblean! It's blackbox-like window manager for windoze. It makes the experience little less painful. 18:14 Calinou no u 18:14 jordach (you cant see a join that is covered 18:15 jordach Fixer_, what is your problem? 18:16 Fixer_ ? 18:16 jordach your nick keeps changing 18:17 Fixer_ really? o_O 18:17 jordach * Fixer_ is now known as Fixer 18:17 jordach * Fixer is now known as Fixer_ 18:17 jordach * Fixer_ is now known as Fixer 18:17 jordach * Fixer is now known as Fixer_ 18:17 jordach * Fixer_ is now known as Fixer 18:17 Fixer now? 18:17 jordach not now 18:17 jordach wait a while 18:17 Fixer i see 18:17 Fixer it must be fixed now 18:17 Fixer or not %) 18:18 Fixer redcrab 30401 server is down at the moment 18:20 jordach i know 18:20 jordach he might be making a new world 18:20 jordach completeyl 18:20 jordach completely 18:20 jordach no more old world 18:21 rsiska Fixer: "at the moment"? It's down whole day! 18:21 Fixer yeah 18:21 jordach yep 18:21 jordach dead sever 18:21 jordach server* 18:21 Fixer and kray's server 18:21 jordach yep 18:21 jordach my pixel art still works fine 18:21 jordach :D 18:21 * jordach just gave everyone a mdidle finger 18:22 jordach (not in a literal sense, nor physical) 18:22 GTRsdk woah 18:23 GTRsdk I ran darkrose 's minetest server, and it has been up for a while (which i previously had issues with celeron55's, but not the absolute latest code...) 18:54 GTRsdk now to try the latest celeron55 server code...' 19:23 Rafano Hello. I've been unable to find where I was building after dying. Can anyone tell me how to get back to where I started? 19:23 Rafano I'm in single player mode. 19:23 Rafano I've zoomed around the area using fly but still haven't found it... 19:24 * VanessaE peeks in 19:25 Rafano I thought I'd have started at 0 0 0, but I tried /teleport 0 0 0 and I ended up in the middle of water... 19:25 VanessaE jordach: connecting the pipes? cool. Let me know when you have something I can merge upstream :-) 19:28 Rafano Nevermind. Got the coordinates I was doing things at from the terminal 19:29 VanessaE Rafano: easiest way is to install the sethome mod 19:29 VanessaE go to where you want to always return, /sethome 19:29 VanessaE then just /home to jump back there from anywhere 19:29 Rafano Thanks. 19:29 VanessaE less typing than /teleport 19:33 jin_xi did you try latest git? item limit bug fixed now? 19:34 VanessaE it is and it ain't 19:34 VanessaE in darkrose's branch it's fixed, unless she's since reverted it 19:34 VanessaE but you can't use that branch with an 0.4.1 or earlier server - i.e. anyone else - because it requires a new server<->client protocol version 19:35 VanessaE (otherwise, nearly everything shows up as "Unknown Block") 19:35 darkrose VanessaE: should be fixed in celeron's git head now too 19:35 jordach VanessaE, its different than what you think 19:35 VanessaE darkrose: oh good. when I last looked, he hadn't pulled those commits yet 19:36 darkrose well, he's fixed part of it, so not sure if celeron's item limit is as high as mine 19:37 VanessaE ah I see it now 19:40 VanessaE now you just gotta convince him to pull in the 16 bit node ID - I still say go for overkill here 19:40 VanessaE if you're gonna break the protocol, do it once and never touch that part again :-) 19:41 VanessaE (in this case, 24 bit node ID, damn the effect on bandwidth ;-) ) 19:41 jordach VanessaE, my pipes LOOK like they connect, but in fact, they dont :) 19:42 VanessaE heh 19:42 VanessaE screenshot? 19:44 jordach http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-220712-204419.php 19:46 * jordach is too lazy to do a minetest window 19:46 * jordach does one better, the whole screen 19:47 jordach this mod is metal like nodes 19:47 jordach cross girders 19:47 jordach warning markers 19:47 jordach pipes 19:47 jordach scaffolding 19:47 jordach (a fence) 19:47 VanessaE interesting..um...pipes. :-) 19:47 jordach VanessaE, unlike yours, they just fit together 19:47 VanessaE mine are better :-) 19:47 jordach the eye thinks they are connectd 19:48 jordach excuse me 19:48 jordach 4 nodes 19:48 jordach against 26? 19:48 jordach which HAVE NO NODE BOXES? 19:48 jordach again 19:48 jordach nodeboxes are crap until we have a decent limit 19:48 VanessaE 4 nodes versus 20. :-) 19:48 jordach mine just play the human eye 19:48 VanessaE and only 10 if you only want "filled" or "empty" 19:49 jordach well 19:49 jordach mine touch 8 for filled/empty 19:49 VanessaE 8? 19:49 jordach 4 empty 19:49 jordach these are for show 19:49 jordach nothin special 19:49 VanessaE you only need two for either - one vertical, one horizontal w/facedir 19:49 jordach actually facedir dont work with how i got them working 19:49 jordach theres and lr_alt 19:50 jordach where the dir. is alterante 19:50 jordach because facedirt dont work with tiles = "back.png", "front.png" 19:50 VanessaE yes it does 19:50 VanessaE that was just fixed 19:50 darkrose ... now 19:50 jordach (just pop a normal sideways into the craft and voila, alt dir 19:51 jordach darkrose, im thinking of the windows users here 19:51 jordach NOT latest git 19:51 VanessaE 0.4.1 != "latest git" 19:51 jordach nope. 19:51 VanessaE and has that feature 19:51 jordach wrong 19:51 jordach they wont rotate 19:51 jordach nada 19:51 jordach nix 19:51 jordach no 19:52 jordach dont believe me? 19:52 VanessaE according to github, the facedir texture rotation bug was fixed just before 0.4.1 was released. 19:52 VanessaE and I tested it myself. 19:52 jordach try it: http://ompldr.org/vZXR4ZA/metals.zip 19:52 VanessaE (just to make sure I didn't download the wrong version or something) 19:52 jordach paramtype2 WILL NOT ROTATE THE DAM BLOCK 19:52 jordach it stays 19:53 jordach (and these nodes takes a mese pick to remove) 19:53 VanessaE paramtype2 = facedir, 19:53 VanessaE BZZT 19:53 jordach what now 19:53 VanessaE er wait 19:53 VanessaE ignore me. :-) 19:53 jordach am i right? 19:53 jordach they WONT WORK 19:53 VanessaE actually don't ignore me 19:53 VanessaE you are wrong 19:54 VanessaE NO QUOTES. 19:54 jordach ? 19:54 VanessaE paramtype2 = "facedir", 19:54 jordach go on 19:54 jordach yes 19:54 VanessaE ^^^ homedecor large speaker 19:54 VanessaE paramtype2 = facedir, 19:54 VanessaE metals:pipe_lr ^^^ 19:54 jordach ya 19:54 jordach i know 19:54 VanessaE you need quotation marks around the "facedir" 19:54 VanessaE otherwise you're trying to reference a variable. 19:54 jordach :C 19:55 VanessaE . o O ( You suck. ) 19:55 VanessaE ;-) 19:56 jordach just tried them 19:56 jordach nope. 19:56 jordach still wont 19:56 VanessaE show me the code :-) 19:56 VanessaE (the revised code) 19:56 jordach minetest.register_node("metals:pipe_lr", { 19:56 jordach description = "Pipe", 19:56 jordach tiles ={"metals_pipe_lr.png", "metals_pipe_lr.png", "metals_pipe_lr_join.png", "metals_pipe_lr_join.png", "metals_pipe_lr.png", "metals_pipe_lr.png"}, 19:56 jordach paramtype2 = "facedir", 19:56 jordach is_ground_content = true, 19:56 jordach groups = {snappy=1,bendy=2}, 19:56 jordach }) 19:56 jordach (too lazy) 19:57 VanessaE did you copy the modified mod into minetest's mod folder? :-) 19:57 jordach ni 19:57 jordach nix 19:57 VanessaE I forget to do that sometimes after working on a change 19:58 jordach nada 19:58 VanessaE minetest.register_node('homedecor:speaker', { 19:58 VanessaE description = "Large Stereo Speaker", 19:58 VanessaE tile_images = { 'homedecor_speaker_top.png', 19:58 VanessaE 'homedecor_speaker_bottom.png', 19:58 VanessaE 'homedecor_speaker_left.png', 19:58 VanessaE 'homedecor_speaker_right.png', 19:58 VanessaE 'homedecor_speaker_back.png', 19:58 VanessaE 'homedecor_speaker_front.png'}, 19:58 VanessaE sunlight_propagates = false, 19:58 VanessaE paramtype = "light", 19:58 VanessaE paramtype2 = "facedir", 19:58 VanessaE walkable = true, 19:58 jordach okoka 19:58 VanessaE groups = { snappy = 3 }, 19:58 VanessaE sounds = default.node_sound_leaves_defaults(), 19:58 VanessaE }) 19:58 VanessaE THAt works pefectly. 19:58 VanessaE I'm tellin ya, you're just doing it wrong :-) 19:59 jordach :( 19:59 jordach shut up 20:01 VanessaE :D 20:01 jordach "mod failed to load and run" 20:02 jordach alright 20:02 jordach I HATE COMMAS 20:02 VanessaE . o O ( You suck. ) 20:02 VanessaE ;) 20:03 jordach was it supposed to tile round the WHOLE FRICKIN BLOCK? 20:03 jordach fuck typos 20:03 VanessaE if you give one tile, yes 20:04 jordach tiles fine 20:04 jordach UNTIL YOU FIND OUT ITS DOING THE BASTARD SIDEWAYS 20:04 VanessaE lol 20:04 VanessaE that's what ya get for trying to fake it :-) 20:05 jordach fixed 20:05 jordach YAY 20:05 jordach :D 20:06 VanessaE \o/ 20:07 jordach hmm 20:07 jordach i want to connect a 't' like shape 20:07 jordach but 20:07 jordach the x and z node will have a leak? what would i do? 20:07 VanessaE USE NODEBOXES and make a "cap" node :-) 20:07 jordach note the unused texture in the zip VanessaE 20:08 jordach im using a sign like node 20:08 jordach rather than nodeboxes 20:08 * jordach hates them 20:08 VanessaE relax, 20:08 VanessaE c55 and darkrose are working on a fix 20:08 VanessaE her branch HAS the fix already 20:08 jordach her branch HAS the fix already O_O 20:08 darkrose >.> 20:08 VanessaE 16-bit node ID = huge number-of-node[boxe]s limit. 20:09 jordach ?? 20:09 jordach 16 bit would give? 20:09 VanessaE 65536. 20:09 VanessaE assuming every ID value could be used 20:09 jordach hold on 20:09 jordach THAT CANT BE RIGHT 20:09 jordach no. 20:09 jordach it cant 20:09 VanessaE (more likely a bit less). The current limit is 2048 because the field is 11 bits. 20:09 VanessaE 2^16 = 65536. 20:10 jordach my endless map experiment oddly cuts out about 32600 nodes# 20:10 VanessaE no matter how many times and ways you calculate it, the answer will be the same ;-) 20:10 jordach the co-ordinates crash minetest 20:10 darkrose signed vs unsigned jin_xi 20:10 VanessaE darkrose: how many node IDs are "reserved" anyway? 20:10 darkrose jordach 20:10 jordach ya 20:11 darkrose VanessaE: don't ask me, I just write the code 20:11 VanessaE haha 20:11 VanessaE you think I'm gonna ask celeron? ;-) 20:11 darkrose that'd be more amusing for me 20:11 * darkrose wanders off to bed 20:12 * cy1 merges while darkrose isn't watching 20:12 VanessaE ok, I asked him. let's see how big of an explosion it causes ;-) 20:12 Fixer_ a fix? 20:13 VanessaE Fixer: make up your damn mind :-) 20:14 jordach VanessaE, pipe caps http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-220712-211339.php 20:14 VanessaE not bad, but it has a problem. 20:14 VanessaE wait a sec....is that a nodebox? 20:15 jordach no 20:15 jordach the black join texture gives it THAT LOOK 20:15 VanessaE you need nodeboxes to make the thing actually sit flat against the neighboring node 20:15 VanessaE otherwise it'll float. 20:15 jordach i prefer elder minetest looks 20:16 cy1 https://github.com/cyisfor/minetest 20:16 VanessaE hoho this from the guy who's using that AlienWorld texture pack :-) 20:17 VanessaE cy1: push those node ID' 20:17 VanessaE cy1: push those node ID's to 24 bits 20:17 jordach VanessaE, im using gridtoon 20:17 jordach thank you very much 20:17 VanessaE ohg wait, so you are 20:17 cy1 I've basically been merging darkrose's changes the last couple days. 20:17 VanessaE for some reason the metal pieces shifted my thinking toward the other one 20:17 VanessaE as if gridtoon is anything but modern as well ;-) 20:18 * jordach missed another comma 20:19 * VanessaE won't be satisfied until the world minetest world is using one of her photorealistic texture packs ;-) 20:20 jordach oops 20:20 jordach had a leak http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-220712-211943.php 20:20 VanessaE s/the world m/the m/ 20:20 VanessaE hah 20:21 jordach note the pipe cap 20:22 VanessaE yeah I see it 20:22 * jordach rolls my 7.1 dolby surround to the max volume 20:22 VanessaE I was thinking that I need to add such to my pipeworks mod 20:22 jordach yep 20:22 jordach i love my 7.1 dolby surround sound 20:23 VanessaE there are two values that are "locked"; they are "air" and "ignore" 20:23 jordach i saw that 20:23 VanessaE so 65534 node IDs are available in darkrose's branch 20:23 jordach hold on a tick 20:23 jordach i just saw something 20:23 jordach strange 20:24 VanessaE 2174 in c55's existing code, now that that zlib buffer thing is fixed. 20:24 jordach in 0.2 /3.x minetest they are something like 126 and 127 this appears often 20:24 jordach wait 20:24 jordach shh 20:24 jordach OMFG 20:25 VanessaE ? 20:25 jordach i noted something 20:25 jordach the older games 20:25 jordach have those two numbers locked as wekk 20:25 jordach well* 20:26 jordach and whats even stranger is the fact nodeboxes exist back then 20:26 jordach it was serverly de-limited to one cube/cuboid 20:27 jordach aw man 20:27 * jordach has floating islands 20:28 jordach yep 20:28 VanessaE well I'm glad they exist now 20:30 VanessaE if not for nodeboxes, I couldn't make the lampposts in home decor (one is cylindrical, the other is cuboid, but neither has those damn fence rungs) 20:34 NakedFury next for nodeboxes evolution is textures and then animated nodeboxes 20:34 VanessaE I think per-nodebox textures will be...um... difficult. 20:35 jordach mc lampposts are cool: http://pbpdepot.com/minecraft/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/lamp_day.jpg 20:35 jordach they use fences 20:35 VanessaE I hate the look 20:36 VanessaE that's why I made a type that doesn't use the fencelike draw type. 20:36 jordach VanessaE, http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t414/FallenInternude/NewGlowstone17.png 20:36 NakedFury is it possible to have a light source that does not light up around it but to an area it is looking at, like a flashlight 20:36 VanessaE NakedFury: Mauvebic's Spotlight in the "lights" mod. 20:37 NakedFury have you seen him on irc? 20:37 VanessaE from time to time, yes 20:37 jordach yep 20:39 jin_xi http://i.imgur.com/lBaRE.png 20:39 VanessaE heh 20:39 VanessaE skin color is too light 20:40 VanessaE should be dark yellow 20:40 jin_xi qnd 20:40 VanessaE the error at the top, is that related to the pic? :-) 20:40 * jordach growls 20:40 jin_xi yes. mt will think more than 49 entities in a node are too many 20:41 jordach BUG ALARM 20:41 jin_xi so it will delete them 20:41 VanessaE tell c55 :-) 20:41 jin_xi meaning you'll have to rehang your pics when you left your home 20:41 jordach jin_xi, pixel art is MY JOB 20:41 jin_xi because all the pixels will be gone... 20:42 jin_xi also no redraw on re-enter world 20:43 sfan5 jordach: do you like linux? 20:43 sfan5 Fixer_: wtf are you doin' ? 20:43 bcnjr5 FINALLY fixed the computer! 20:43 jordach ya sfan5 20:43 sfan5 :D 20:44 jin_xi atm 20:44 VanessaE hey bcnjr5! 20:44 VanessaE long time no see 20:44 jordach ive been using it for a while 20:44 bcnjr5 hi vanessae 20:44 bcnjr5 I am trying to save the server. 20:51 jordach VanessaE, i have no idea on nodeboxes 20:51 jordach too confusing 20:51 jordach someone made a 3d sign i think 20:51 VanessaE nodeboxes are easy 20:52 VanessaE a nodebox definiton is simply: { X1, Y1, Z1, X2, Y2, Z2 } 20:52 jordach for a signlike drawtype 20:52 * jordach has no idea 20:52 VanessaE ok, for signlike, lesse 20:52 jordach so fuck that 20:52 jordach theres a reason why i wont use new stuff 20:53 jordach they are not tried and tested enough 20:53 VanessaE something like { -0.4, -0.25, -0.5, 0.4, 0.25, -0.4 } would probably work 20:53 jordach but i dont know how to put em in 20:53 VanessaE that would create a flat nodebox almost as wide as the node, about half as tall, and 10% the thickness, centered on and placed against the node's "back" side. 20:53 VanessaE drawtype = "nodebox", 20:53 VanessaE ... 20:54 VanessaE node_box = { 20:54 VanessaE type = "fixed", 20:54 VanessaE fixed = { 20:54 VanessaE { X1, Y1, Z1, X2, Y2, Z2 }, 20:54 VanessaE { X1, Y1, Z1, X2, Y2, Z2 }, 20:54 VanessaE { X1, Y1, Z1, X2, Y2, Z2 }, 20:54 VanessaE { X1, Y1, Z1, X2, Y2, Z2 } 20:54 VanessaE } 20:54 VanessaE }, 20:54 VanessaE as many nodeboxes you want can be crammed into that fixed= section. 20:55 sfan5 VanessaE: 1.0 is a full node? 20:55 VanessaE 0,5/-0.5 20:55 VanessaE a node is centered at {0,0,0} 20:55 VanessaE so a full cube would be { -0.5, -0.5, -0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 0.5 } 20:56 VanessaE (which of course would be pointless ;-) ) 20:57 VanessaE X is left/right, Y is up/down, Z is into/out of the screen (front/back) 20:58 jordach jeija had code for this already 20:58 VanessaE which is confusing if you still tend to think in 2 dimension :-) 21:02 jordach ah 21:02 jordach x1 and y1 are the z axis 21:02 jordach and the reast are the 4 points seen normally 21:02 VanessaE no 21:03 VanessaE they are two sets of coordinates in 3D space. 21:03 VanessaE and yes, facedir works with nodeboxes too....now. :-) 21:03 jin_xi two corners of a box, diagonally, define its size 21:03 VanessaE literally, they.. 21:03 VanessaE yes, what jin_xi said. 21:04 jordach night all 21:04 jin_xi ah well 21:04 VanessaE *head asplode* 21:04 VanessaE ;-) 21:04 sfan5 asplode? 21:04 VanessaE it's a meme 21:04 jin_xi a me-me? 21:04 VanessaE it has to be misspelled 'asplode' to qualify 21:05 sfan5 jin_xi: a you-you? 21:05 jin_xi foul bachelor here ;) 21:06 VanessaE meme /meem/ (n.) 1. a funny saying, picture, etc. that has spread around the internet and resulted in many variants. See also, cliche'. 21:07 sfan5 i have a wonderful idea what i can make with nodeboxes 21:07 sfan5 *an 21:07 VanessaE what? 21:08 sfan5 3d bookshelf 21:08 NakedFury a rectangle 21:08 VanessaE you mean a real one 21:09 VanessaE well do me a favor: figure out some way to use the existing texture ;-) 21:09 VanessaE I played hell trying find a good enough stack of books to put in my photorealistic one 21:10 jin_xi i thought about that too 21:10 jin_xi make individual books contain text 21:10 sfan5 my thoughts 1min ago: i'm sure VanessaE will make the texture 21:10 jin_xi and able to be placed in shelfes 21:10 VanessaE I'd like to see signs that can be written on.. 21:10 jin_xi but then: how... 21:10 VanessaE as in, visibly. 21:11 VanessaE what about this whole node metadata thing? 21:11 jin_xi to put canvas on easel in painting mod i use node above for canvas 21:11 sfan5 thats the problem with the mod api 21:11 VanessaE can't that be exploited somehow? 21:11 sfan5 no 21:11 jin_xi but no way to store entity in node 21:11 jin_xi afaics 21:12 VanessaE I meant for the text-on-sign idea 21:12 sfan5 you should be able to define extra render actions 21:13 VanessaE I'll let someone else file the write-on-signs request :-) 21:14 VanessaE if it hasn't already been. 21:14 sfan5 we need more advanced image modifiers 21:14 VanessaE good luck getting c55 to agree 21:14 VanessaE "useless" or "random" :-) 21:15 sfan5 like blank.png]^text;chunk testa;0;2 21:16 sfan5 so it would be ]^text;the actual text;x;y 21:18 sfan5 night all 21:55 VanessaE zzz 22:52 thefamilygrog66 I just updated to 4.1 (on ubuntu) and now my inventory window is off the screen to the upper left - any ideas on how to fix this? 22:52 MiJyn what version of Irrlicht do you have? 22:53 thefamilygrog66 let me check, one second 22:53 VanessaE hey grog 22:56 thefamilygrog66 hey vanessa 22:56 thefamilygrog66 can't figure out where linux keeps the irrlicht... 22:57 VanessaE vanessa@rainbird:~$ apt-cache show libirrlicht1.7a 22:57 VanessaE Package: libirrlicht1.7a 22:57 VanessaE [...] 22:57 VanessaE Version: 1.7.2+dfsg1-1.1 22:57 VanessaE that's what's current in Xubuntu 12.04 22:58 VanessaE I'm building from git master right now; if it works, you want it? 22:58 thefamilygrog66 that's what mine says too 22:58 VanessaE (CMD64 build for xubuntu 120.04) 22:58 VanessaE (12.04) 22:58 VanessaE BAH! 22:58 VanessaE AMD64 build for xubuntu 12.04 22:58 VanessaE THERE. 22:58 VanessaE stupid fingers 22:59 thefamilygrog66 i386 22:59 VanessaE oh, bummer. 22:59 VanessaE well it's pretty easy to compile 22:59 VanessaE https://github.com/celeron55/minetest 23:00 VanessaE scroll down to the Linux section of the readme, it's dead simple :-) 23:00 thefamilygrog66 I just have the daily update automatically install on mine 23:01 VanessaE huh. I'd have thought the daily builds ppa would be good enough. 23:01 VanessaE inventory looks fine in git master 23:02 VanessaE there must be something going weird with the daily build bot 23:16 brobostigon goodnight everyone, sleep well 23:16 VanessaE hm 23:17 VanessaE 0.4.1 seems to work fine all the way around - except something is causing occasional, brief lags. might be all the mods I have installed, dunno