Time  Nick          Message
00:07 VanessaE      *shakes head*
00:07 VanessaE      I suppose, in theory, one could use that new bones mod, whatever it was called, as a source for said bonemeal
00:07 VanessaE      but it just feels...weird
00:07 VanessaE      too ancient
00:07 VanessaE      IMHO, minetest should aim for a more modern feel, as in something a bit more recent than the 15th century ;-)
00:07 VanessaE      (which is why my homedecor mod allows for stuff like brass, plastic, home electronics, etc)
00:09 NakedFury     dung
00:09 NakedFury     use animal dung as fertilizar
00:09 VanessaE      and said dung comes from...where?
00:09 NakedFury     animals in time and for now the player :D
00:09 VanessaE      heh
00:10 VanessaE      well if that's the case, people like Landmine can supply enough for the entire community ;-)
00:29 LandMine      tell me what yall think
00:29 LandMine      http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=30285#p30285
00:29 LandMine      this should make some fun gameplay lol
00:34 cy1           LandMine: hey, do your bombs make those flame objects?
00:34 cy1           I tried a TNT mod once, and removing the flames p. much eliminated server slowdown.
00:34 cy1           looked stupid, but it still cleared out the blocks!
00:40 VanessaE      zzz
02:26 VanessaE      there.
02:26 VanessaE      texture packs updated for new version of unifieddyes and for junglegrass.
03:04 thole         lol anyone else tried the pulser yet?
03:04 thole         http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=30285#p30285
03:04 VanessaE      nope
03:04 thole         its fun lol
03:04 VanessaE      no real interest in mods of that type
03:04 thole         lol
03:04 thole         k
03:05 thole         so what mods do you like?
03:05 VanessaE      I'm more of the decorative sort
03:05 thole         really. im more the destroying kind
03:06 VanessaE      animatedtorches and homedecor are two of the ones I wrote
03:06 thole         yeah i have seen them
03:06 VanessaE      taken together, they are basically what I like in a mod.
03:08 VanessaE      if he were really adventurous, he'd do a tornado mod like one I saw once (in a youtube video) for minecraft
03:09 thole         if who was adventurous?
03:09 VanessaE      whoever writes mods like that uranium one (Landmine in this case I guess)
03:10 thole         ahhhh
03:14 thole         wow ecube was on
03:14 thole         heh his server is down :(
03:15 VanessaE      minetest.ru:30001 is down also :(
03:15 thole         yup most of them are
03:15 thole         griefing i guess
03:15 VanessaE      well I and a couple others take care of the griefing on 30001 easily enough
03:16 thole         thats good
03:29 cy1           I like
03:29 cy1           chain reactions
03:38 thole         ecube your server is down :(
03:40 cy1           thole: how about mine
03:43 thole         whats yours?
04:39 cy1           ...dammit
04:41 marktraceur   cy1: What happen?
04:51 cy1           marktraceur: someone asked me where my server was and I idled right then to watch some youtube video of some chick's reaction to Rubyquest.
04:51 marktraceur   Pfff
04:51 marktraceur   Hilarious
04:51 cy1           and so one less beneficiary of my esteemed server
04:51 marktraceur   cy1: Its the noob's fault for logging out
04:52 cy1           marktraceur: I didn't see the question for an hour
04:52 cy1           he totally highlighted my name too
04:52 marktraceur   IRC: Not synchronous communication.
04:53 cy1           certainly hard to IRC someone who logged off
04:53 marktraceur   cy1: Exactly.
04:53 cy1           ah well he was trying to blow shit up anyway
04:54 cy1           one reason I wanted PGP authentication
04:54 cy1           is so that people could recognize each other even after logging off
04:54 cy1           even on different servers
04:55 cy1           so you don't just sit there going "this guy sounds familiar. did he have a different name or something?"
04:55 cy1           PGP is just convenient because it isolates all private key access and use to a separate process, so minetest client doesn't have to be unhackable
04:56 cy1           as opposed to a password you just put in a text file somewhere
04:58 cy1           but meh
04:58 cy1           I was the last person to logon to my server
04:58 cy1           like yesterday
04:58 ecube         what server? minetest.ru?
05:00 cy1           verge.info.tm 6989
05:02 cy1           it's sort of experimental atm. enabled pgp login, but the old should work
05:02 cy1           I just ain't got anybody to test it.
05:07 cy1           also not sure the port is forwarded right. you can't test UDP port forwarding to see if the ISP's router fucks it up even though you said yes
05:07 cy1           people have logged on before though
05:08 cy1           currently getting like 1/100 of my allowable bandwidth too, so no latency problems
05:32 cy1           plus I built something neat on it and...
06:18 darkrose      marktraceur: I seem to have a sudden need to mow my lawn o.o
06:19 marktraceur   darkrose: I know....
06:19 marktraceur   Something's wrong with ABMs
06:22 cy1           fire is the answer
06:22 marktraceur   Probably
06:23 marktraceur   Or lava
06:23 cy1           hold that thought
06:23 darkrose      then I'd lose my forest :(
06:24 marktraceur   darkrose: Time for some serious logging? :P
06:26 cy1           time for some serious server downtime
06:27 marktraceur   cy1: darkrose is not having trouble, it's something on your side methinks
06:27 cy1           yeah
06:27 darkrose      I log it regularly, that's why it's getting so thick
06:41 cy1           marktraceur: MARK
06:41 cy1           marktraceur: YOU HAVE FIRE ENABLED
06:41 cy1           marktraceur: HOW OFTEN DO YOU BACK UP YOUR SERVER
06:42 cy1           I logged out so it won't be spreading if it doesn't hit darkrose
06:46 cy1           welp, not logging back in any time soon
06:49 marktraceur   cy1: I hardly ever back up
06:49 marktraceur   darkrose: Note that cy1 may have started immense fires
06:50 darkrose      yeah, I can tell by the lag
06:58 emspri        hi
07:02 marktraceur   emspri: Hi!
07:04 cy1           marktraceur: I uh... I sort of made a lava pool
07:04 cy1           to get lava from
07:04 cy1           and it may have accidentallyignitedthewholeforestogod
07:05 cy1           I wonder if crops are burnable
08:41 emspri        hi marktraceur
08:49 brobostigon   good morning everyone.
08:49 emspri        good morning
08:50 brobostigon   good morning emspri
08:52 emspri        how late is it by you ??
08:54 brobostigon   09:54am.
08:54 emspri        by me 10:54
08:54 emspri        in netherland
08:54 brobostigon   an hour ahead of me, yes.
08:57 emspri        do u have a minetest server ??
08:57 brobostigon   yes.
08:58 emspri        is it online ?? if yes wats the name of the server ??
09:00 brobostigon   emspri: mine.taylorworld.me.uk
09:01 emspri        ok
09:04 Calinou       http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=30251#p30251
09:04 * Calinou     facepalms
09:05 Calinou       hi
09:05 Calinou       11:05 in france, emspri
09:05 Calinou       we're in the same timezone :D
09:05 emspri        can i have privs ?? to keep griefers away and heal damage made by greefers
09:05 emspri        hi Calinou
09:05 emspri        do u live in belgium ??
09:06 brobostigon   emspri: i can give you privs, until, you connect, and only then, if you agree, and understand my rules.
09:06 brobostigon   cant*
09:07 emspri        so your server is taylorworld.me.uk or mine.taylorworld.me.uk
09:07 brobostigon   the latter
09:07 emspri        ok im now connecting
09:17 Calinou       emspri, no, france
09:20 redcrab       Hi there .. :)
09:26 brobostigon   Calinou: i have given emspri basic privs.
09:28 Calinou       k
09:33 Calinou       brobostigon, if you want to easily clone the git repo:
09:34 Calinou       - clone anywhere (it will be named minetest_mods by default)
09:34 Calinou       copy the "mods" folder inside minetest mods into minetest's installation folder
09:34 Calinou       - done
09:34 Calinou       you could also use symlinks if you want
09:34 * Calinou     doesn't know how to use symlinks though
09:39 brobostigon   Calinou: ah, yes, i see i think. i will try it.
09:39 Calinou       moreblocks got a quite big update recently
09:39 brobostigon   :)
09:39 Calinou       aliases: you can do /giveme stonebricks or /giveme stonebrick instead of /giveme moreblocks:stonebrick, if you want
09:40 Calinou       more recipes: dry shrubs can be crafted into sticks, grass blocks can be crafted with dirt & junglegrass or dirt & mese
09:40 * Calinou     should also add mossy cobble recipe, yes
09:40 brobostigon   cool
09:40 cornernote    hiyas
09:42 Calinou       hi
09:57 mibbitman     sup guys, am trying to install a mod. is there anything i need to do besides moving the mod folder into mods/minetest with the latest git and run in place?
09:58 Calinou       mibbitman, no
09:58 Calinou       if you're currently playing, log off to main menu, and join again the game
09:58 Calinou       to reload mods
09:59 mibbitman     ok, will try again thanks
09:59 Calinou       also, don't forget: you have to install the minetest_game repository
09:59 Calinou       http://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game
09:59 Calinou       else mods will be read from mods/minimal instead
09:59 Calinou       and minimal mod is not for playing
09:59 mibbitman     oh, i see
09:59 Calinou       put the "minetest_game" folder in "games"
09:59 Calinou       you can git clone there directly
10:01 mibbitman     ok will try thanks
10:04 * Calinou     's quit/part message is now "Excess Flood"
10:05 Calinou       :}
10:05 mibbitman     aww yeah, now it works, thanks
10:05 mibbitman     do you use git submodules for that?
10:06 Calinou       no? what's that?
10:18 mibbitman     its a way to tell git to pull multiple repos in one command
10:18 mibbitman     but nevermind... im off trying all the mods now
10:19 Calinou       k
10:19 Calinou       mibbitman, if you want to test my mods, I also have a git repo :P
10:19 Calinou       http://github.com/Calinou/minetest_mods
10:19 Calinou       git pull, and do symlinks, or copy the folders inside; do whatever you want
10:19 mibbitman     nice will have a look
10:20 mibbitman     im mainly interested in nodeboxes and randomness in mods
11:17 emspri        hi van
11:28 aspiremint    hi redcrab, are you here?
11:28 emspri        brobostigon are you here ?? my sis want interact frivs on ur server
11:30 brobostigon   emspri: i have a busy afternoon here, i wont have the space, untill later this afternoon, sorry.
11:31 emspri        ok do u know where calinou is ??
11:55 aspiremint    redcrab are you here?
11:57 emspri        calinou can u give my sis interact privs ??
11:58 emspri        she is now comming online
11:59 emspri        ???
12:07 emspri        ok we are ofline
12:10 brobostigon   ok, back up now.
12:12 emspri        can we go online now?
12:12 brobostigon   yes.
12:13 emspri        ok
12:13 brobostigon   emspri: as i said, i will notify here, when back up.
12:14 emspri        ok , can u give my sis interackt so she can build a house and etc ??
12:14 emspri        she knows the rules
12:50 emspri        brobostigon can i pleeeeaaaasssseeeee have 999 tree cuz i was making something wit lava and then all my wood in my house got burned XD
12:51 emspri        and cutting wood takes so much time
12:55 Calinou       no
12:55 Calinou       just cut wood and making legit; plus, it's more fun
12:55 Calinou       if you want to use /giveme then play singleplayer
12:55 Calinou       or find a creative-mode server
12:59 cisoun        damn I just dreamed that celeron made some new games and I had to test them with some friends... wtf
13:00 Calinou       let's mine the test until the test mines us, let's test the mine until the mine tests us!
13:01 emspri        Calinou are you sure that the moreblocks mod is installed ??
13:03 redcrab       ....was afk... sorry  ... aspiremint ... what is your question ?
13:04 Calinou       emspri, from what I've heard, it was removed
14:15 VanessaE      is there a way to find out of a given node was placed by the player vs. spawned by the game?
14:15 marktraceur   VanessaE: Noooope
14:15 VanessaE      damn it.
14:16 marktraceur   (see six months ago, w/r/t leaf decay)
14:18 VanessaE      http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=30207
14:18 VanessaE      now with grass decay ;-_)
14:18 VanessaE      ;-)
14:21 marktraceur   VanessaE: Two things
14:21 VanessaE      (I was hoping I could add something that would prevent player-placed grass from changing, but alas I guess not)
14:21 VanessaE      hm?
14:22 marktraceur   1. You're still randomizing inside of an ABM, which is fine, but I'd say suboptimal,
14:23 marktraceur   2. Why would you call an ABM on grass in order to grow, e.g., shortgrass into tallgrass? Again, you skip the randomization and get exactly the node you want
14:23 marktraceur   s/on grass/on dirt_with_grass/
14:24 VanessaE      1.  because I am not well-versed in how ABMs actually work.
14:24 VanessaE      2. blame ironzorg for his coding style, which I basically followed here. :-)
14:25 marktraceur   *nod* K
14:25 marktraceur   VanessaE: Number 1 would be fixed by my fork (https://gitorious.org/marktraceur-minetest-mods/junglegrass) but it may have diverged
14:25 marktraceur   I can try to merge tonight
14:25 VanessaE      yeah, you may wish to redownload and merge it
14:26 Calinou       marktraceur forks every single mod or what O_o
14:26 marktraceur   And probably by "merge" I mean "meehhhhhh do it over again"
14:26 VanessaE      bahahaha
14:26 Calinou       VanessaE, thank you for adding spawning surfaces =)
14:26 marktraceur   Calinou: Only ones that A) I want to use myself and B) I think could benefit from it
14:26 Calinou       VanessaE, jungle grass on cacti should be pretty common
14:27 Calinou       like 25% or so
14:27 VanessaE      naw, not all cacti grow grass on top, though after enough time I suppose all cacti in the game will end up that way :-)
14:27 VanessaE      perhaps I should allow the grass thereon to die off as well :-)
14:30 marktraceur   darkrose: cy1: If you're still having grass woes, note that a hoe will ease the process *and* give you seeds when you harvest it
14:30 marktraceur   Probably should have explained that some time ago
14:31 VanessaE      what's the name of the node used for the tilled ground?  I should add that too, so the jungle grass acts like weeds ;-)
14:32 NakedFury     tilled_dirt?
14:32 marktraceur   VanessaE: farming:plowed
14:32 marktraceur   Though I'm not sure you want to depend ond farming
14:32 VanessaE      I won't depend
14:33 VanessaE      the way this is written, adding those nodes to the list should "just work" whether farming is present or not
14:34 VanessaE      the big question really is, should I do it? ;-)
14:35 VanessaE      maybe add that function to poisonivy instead, turn it into a general "annoying weeds" mod ;-)
14:36 VanessaE      h
14:37 VanessaE      hm, should digging the smaller sizes result in a normal junglegrass item?  or should they just be dug up as-is?
14:37 VanessaE      (presently any of the four sizes yields a normal junglegrass item when gathered)
14:42 VanessaE      I should add a radius check to the
14:42 VanessaE      part where it spawns in the desert, to limit the density
15:00 marktraceur   VanessaE: I'm thinking all of the growing needs to put that back in
15:00 VanessaE      ok
15:00 VanessaE      just gotta figure out how to use the find_node_near() function
15:01 marktraceur   There is such a function?
15:01 VanessaE      *nod*(
15:01 marktraceur   *gasp* makes things so much easier
15:01 VanessaE      find_node_near(pos, radius, {list, of, nodes})
15:01 marktraceur   So you'll want to do
15:01 VanessaE      I guess it returns {list, of, positions} (or nil if none are found)
15:02 marktraceur   VanessaE: Since the function says "node" and not "nodes", I'd assume it returns the first it finds
15:02 marktraceur   Which may or may not be the closest one
15:02 VanessaE      ah
15:03 VanessaE      - find_node_near(pos, radius, nodenames) -> pos or nil
15:03 VanessaE      ^ nodenames: eg. {"ignore", "group:tree"} or "default:dirt"
15:03 VanessaE      from the travesty that is the API doc.
15:03 marktraceur   So nodenames, the last argument, can be a list or a string
15:03 VanessaE      - find_nodes_in_area(minp, maxp, nodenames) -> list of positions
15:03 VanessaE      ^ nodenames: eg. {"ignore", "group:tree"} or "default:dirt"
15:03 VanessaE      right below that one
15:03 marktraceur   Oh
15:03 marktraceur   Two helpful functions!?
15:04 VanessaE      yup
15:04 marktraceur   celeron outdid himself
15:08 VanessaE      so maybe this:
15:09 VanessaE      if (MAX_RATIO - surface.chance < rnd) and (n_top.name == "air") and (is_node_loaded(grownames, p_top) == true) and find_node_near(p_top, 10, GRASSES) then
15:09 VanessaE      where GRASSES is a table at the top of the file listing the four items.
15:09 VanessaE      (which I just added, hence you don't have it)
15:10 marktraceur   VanessaE: Shouldn't grownames already have the necessary things to check?
15:10 VanessaE      no, because I also want to check for a few things nearby
15:10 VanessaE      such as additional dry shrubs, trees, etc.
15:10 marktraceur   Mmmkay
15:11 VanessaE      cactus is a snag - I want to grow on them, but not near them.
15:11 VanessaE      (and perhaps 10 is not dense enough... maybe radius = 4 or so)
15:12 VanessaE      need a tilde in front of find_node_near
15:12 VanessaE      (I want to check for the absence of those items, not their presence)
15:16 VanessaE      if (MAX_RATIO - surface.chance < rnd) and (n_top.name == "air") and (is_node_loaded(grownames, p_top) == true) then
15:16 VanessaE      if ((~find_node_near(p_top, 4, GRASSES)) || (surface.name == "default:cactus"))
15:16 VanessaE      how about that?
15:16 marktraceur   Mightdo
15:25 VanessaE      bas080: new unified dyes is up, 77 colors supported.
15:25 bas080        :D that's good news.
15:26 bas080        will check out now
15:32 bas080        now that's nice. I'm atm working on a roots mod so trees have roots. The cotton mod requires me to make allot of textures which is quite repetetive work. Will do when i find the motivation. Will make sure the dye colors are similar to the cotton textures.
15:33 marktraceur   Maybe it would be helpful to allow modification of RGBA colors in textures....
15:34 VanessaE      bas080:the faster you get 77 colors of cotton done, the faster we can abandon wool ;-)
15:40 bas080        really noob question but, how do you set the time to day in the game? what should I typ in the chat box?
15:41 marktraceur   bas080: /time <time>
15:41 marktraceur   5800 is daybreak
15:41 bas080        ty
15:47 VanessaE      there.  new update posted.
15:57 VanessaE      Calinou: new update get :-0
15:57 VanessaE      :-)
15:57 Calinou       :}
15:58 Calinou       <dpkg> If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
15:58 Calinou       ~dpkg when doing /msg dpkg lol
15:58 VanessaE      hah
16:46 Ririshi       Hey
16:47 brobostigon   hi Ririshi
16:48 Calinou       hi
16:48 brobostigon   hi Calinou
16:48 Calinou       did you install my git repo? :P
16:49 brobostigon   Calinou: i have had a busy afternoon, just got home from my doctors, it is next on list after i have had my evening meal.
16:49 Calinou       k :)
16:49 brobostigon   :)
16:51 Ririshi       hey brobostigon!
17:23 * marktraceur hates people sometimes
17:23 marktraceur   Tech recruiter has emailed me three times asking for my resume, identical emails
17:23 marktraceur   My current assumption is that he has no idea how email forwarding works, and has only whitelisted my incoming email address (mtraceur@member.fsf.org) and my outgoing email is getting trapped in a spam filter.
17:24 marktraceur   The next email will be met with torrential and inventive vulgarities
17:24 marktraceur   I may enlist help in this channel
17:25 VanessaE      hha
17:25 VanessaE      haha
17:26 * marktraceur could use the release anyway
17:26 VanessaE      naw
17:26 marktraceur   I'm also starting to think that sleep deprivation is setting in
17:27 marktraceur   Though it doesn't make a lot of sense, since I sleep pretty well
17:27 VanessaE      Steven Hopkins pretty much settled that already:  "Dear Sir, You are without any doubt a rogue, a rascal, a villain, a thief, a scoundrel and a mean, dirty, stinking, sniveling, sneaking, pimping, pocket-picking, thrice double damn no good son of a bitch."
17:29 Calinou       TIL steven hopkins is linus torvalds with nvidia
17:30 Calinou       <marktraceur> I may enlist help in this channel
17:30 VanessaE      (Representative from Rhode Island; it's a quote from the movie "1776", whether that's something he actually wrote, I'm not sure)
17:30 * Calinou     wants to contribute.
17:30 marktraceur   Calinou: Noted, I'll highlight you when the time comes
17:31 marktraceur   VanessaE: I think I might go with something written by a judge, hold while I find the text
17:35 marktraceur   Augh, cannot find
17:35 marktraceur   Con law professor has read so much, he has beaten the Internet at finding awesome quotes
17:35 marktraceur   I mean, this was *epic*
17:36 Calinou       next generation of lawyers: defending people using quotes and memes.
17:36 VanessaE      heh
17:36 marktraceur   Handing down a death sentence, the judge goes on and on about how "It will be summer soon, but you will not be here. The birds will sing, and the children will play, but you will not see it."
17:37 marktraceur   Calinou: I can only hope none of our future lawyers ever used 4chan
17:38 marktraceur   Though I must say, defending oneself against totally invertebrate debating opponents is good preparation for that life
17:38 * marktraceur searches for mock trial clubs in the area
17:39 marktraceur   Sigh, only for young'uns
17:44 VanessaE      my google-fu is weak today - I can't find anything relevant either.
17:52 cy1           so uh, movestones are really really broken
17:52 marktraceur   cy1: Yes, yes they are
17:52 cy1           when I activate one, the server just goes into an infinite loop of "Report the stone has moved. Report the stone has moved." etc until it hits an exception once the stone gets too far away from the player.
17:53 cy1           So you can't use those to construct gates.
17:53 cy1           Be awfully convenient if you could.
17:53 marktraceur   cy1: Pistons, I suppose, might work better
17:53 cy1           When I activate pistons (and I still don't know how the heck to get them to face upward) they also seem ...broken for lack of a better word.
17:54 marktraceur   *nod* K
17:54 Calinou       you can't make them face upward/downward iirc
17:54 cy1           The piston pushes forward, but the changes don't cascade. It just destroys the block next to it, or overlaps it.
17:54 marktraceur   Odd
17:54 cy1           ah, that would explain a lot Calinou......
17:54 cy1           plus you can walk through "extended" pistons.
17:55 cy1           I don't really see how the changes could cascade actually. Picture a row of 7000 stone, and a piston pushes it to the right.
17:55 VanessaE      the whole of mesecons just cries out for a rewrite to use nodeboxes
17:55 VanessaE      especially said pistons
17:55 cy1           sure would be nice to have tail recursion!
17:55 cy1           VanessaE: what are nodeboxes anyway? '-'
17:55 VanessaE      (just as long as the textures included therein still work so I don't have to redesign them :-)  )
17:56 VanessaE      cy1: small box-like objects that can be defined instead of stuff like plantlike et.al
17:56 VanessaE      look at my pipeworks mod or jeija's "irregular" mod for examples
17:56 cy1           oh, so like the telepooper
17:57 VanessaE      allows nodes to be virtually any shape as long as you can construct that shape out of multiple cubes/boxes (however numerous and small they might be)
17:57 VanessaE      telepooper??
17:57 VanessaE      oh
17:57 VanessaE      the teleporting toilet from 3dforniture?
17:57 NakedFury     if pistons are made they should have a limit to how much they can push
17:57 VanessaE      yeah, it uses nodeboxes.
17:58 Calinou       <cy1> VanessaE: what are nodeboxes anyway? '-'
17:58 Calinou       doc/lua_api.txt
17:58 NakedFury     but nodeboxes need nodetexturing
17:58 Calinou       <NakedFury> if pistons are made they should have a limit to how much they can push
17:58 Calinou       please no
17:58 NakedFury     please yes
17:58 Calinou       only an hard, technical limit would be fine (loaded terrain only)
17:58 VanessaE      actually don't rewrite mesecons to use them use
17:58 VanessaE      yet.
17:58 Calinou       limtations suck
17:58 Calinou       see minecraft
17:58 Calinou       you can't put floating torches/etc
17:58 Calinou       floating torches in MT can be used to make amazing stuff
17:58 VanessaE      nodebox textures don't rotate properly with the facedir paremeter.
17:58 NakedFury     if we dont have limitation a piston could move thousands of blocks
17:58 VanessaE      parameter*
17:58 cy1           VanessaE: but seriously all nodeboxes are is type = "fixed" nodes?
17:59 VanessaE      cy1: go look at the mod.    http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=27794
17:59 NakedFury     and limitations can open up different type of pistons based on strength
17:59 cy1           Calinou: On the other hand it'd be a good argument for max's high voltage mod idea.
18:00 cy1           oh, there's also a node_box parameter. Go figure.
18:01 cy1           VanessaE: What mesecons really need are the ability to not leave a huge space above them like sandwich them between blocks or something
18:02 VanessaE      I doubt it'll ever happen, that requires multiple nodes within the same space.
18:02 cy1           Calinou: treating unloaded terrain as immovable walls seems like a good hard limit or pistons. I dunno if it needs to be fancier than that.
18:02 VanessaE      (or every possible combination of mesecons wires for however many you want to combine into a node; using nodeboxes then)
18:02 cy1           VanessaE: yeah ;_;
18:03 NakedFury     a mesecon circuit should create a small hole in blocks when a block is placed on top of it. that way we dont need huge structures just to have a couple of doors automated
18:03 cy1           no, just the one wire.
18:03 cy1           and by huge NakedFury means deep
18:03 cy1           we also need transistors
18:04 cy1           aka power powered switches
18:04 NakedFury     if blocks sort of carved themselves to allow a little tunnel for the mesecon circuit it would be awesome and unique
18:04 cy1           how to store in the db though NakedFury :/
18:05 cy1           I've had a vague concept of "overlays" but never really gone into it too much.
18:05 cy1           rain for instance. water in general.
18:05 marktraceur   cy1: Could have a node that allows multiple signals to pass through it
18:05 cy1           currently water is basically a goo that grows downward
18:06 cy1           but with an overlay it might be possible...
18:06 marktraceur   Then nodes that help funnel things in
18:06 cy1           to have water and dirt in the same spot
18:06 cy1           aka wet dirt
18:06 cy1           or water and air
18:06 cy1           aka wet air
18:06 marktraceur   e.g., have a node that takes in three signals, then passes out the three signals from its fourth face on that axis
18:06 marktraceur   er, plane
18:06 cy1           in fact every node could have an amount of water in it.
18:07 marktraceur   Then have extender nodes for that three-signals system
18:07 cy1           if there's enough water, it's waterlike. if not, it's like whatever it is supposed to be.
18:07 marktraceur   You could additionally have three-to-nine converters
18:07 marktraceur   And then nine-extenders
18:07 cy1           be impossible to make all the texturesfor that though
18:08 cy1           marktraceur: I was thinking just a T-shaped meseconstruct
18:08 cy1           marktraceur: power goes in the bottom of the T, circuit is complete with the top two. power goes out, circuit is broken.
18:09 cy1           or power makes the circuit broken, and lack of power makes it complete
18:09 marktraceur   cy1: How do you mean? NakedFury appears to want node + mesecons in the same node
18:09 cy1           not sure which one is right for a transistor
18:09 cy1           or both!
18:09 marktraceur   Well, this should roughly allow it
18:09 marktraceur   You could build walls out of this material, almost certainly
18:10 cy1           uh, I guess... so stone that looks like stone,but acts like some sort of repeater?
18:11 cy1           NakedFury's problem is because every node is stored by xyz in the database, and there can only be one xyz key for each x, y, z. thus, no mesecons going through blocks.
18:12 cy1           my proposed solution is overlays, i.e. multiple xyz databases, but I am not sure the specifics
18:13 cy1           or if even feasible
18:14 cy1           "please wait while the server to draw world 13 times"
18:14 marktraceur   Yeah, that sucks
18:15 marktraceur   I haven't looked at the mesecons implementation yet
18:15 marktraceur   But I feel like it's possible
18:15 cy1           minetest:env:get_overlay("mesecons"):get_node(x,y,z)
18:15 marktraceur   Is that how it works?
18:16 cy1           for overlay in minetest.env:list_overlays() do draw it end
18:16 cy1           marktraceur: In my imagination? Heck yeah!
18:16 marktraceur   Ha
18:16 marktraceur   If only
18:16 VanessaE      bbiab
18:16 marktraceur   I'd need to define 9 signals per node, though, so....some form of custom data would be necessary
18:17 marktraceur   Perhaps metadata?
18:17 cy1           overlayed water could have some interesting effects though
18:17 cy1           yeah, metadata is pretty flexible, if slow
18:17 cy1           wet dirt could "drip" water for instance.
18:17 marktraceur   Hm. Hopefully not all that slow
18:17 cy1           and water could move downward through solid stuff, except "waterproof" stuff
18:17 marktraceur   Ha, not a bad idea
18:18 cy1           could also be accomplished just by making a wet dirt node type...
18:18 marktraceur   *nod*
18:18 marktraceur   And wet wood, maybe
18:18 cy1           abm for dirt: if water above, eliminate water, change me to wet dirt.
18:18 marktraceur   Not a bad idea
18:19 NakedFury     wet wood cannot burn but becomes normal wood with fire contact, wet grass and wet dirt
18:19 cy1           abm for wet dirt: if air below me, make water_flowing. if dirt below me, make wet dirt below.  If not wet above, make me dry dirt.
18:20 cy1           wet dirt_with_grass heh
18:20 cy1           could ignore unwalkable stuff when searching up for water.
18:20 cy1           except air
18:20 cy1           so you don't have to make a water version of every placed item
18:20 cy1           *wet version
18:22 Calinou       WET AIR
18:22 cy1           and a "rain" block which falls down
18:22 cy1           aka wet air
18:22 Calinou       rain in 100% lua? just no
18:22 marktraceur   Yeah, I can't see that working
18:22 cy1           when it lands on waterproof, turn it into water_flowing
18:22 Calinou       > sky color needs to be changed
18:22 cy1           when it lands on dirt, turn dirt to mud
18:22 Calinou       > clouds less visible or hidden
18:23 Calinou       > less light
18:23 Calinou       all these require C++
18:23 NakedFury     c++ to allow lua to modify them
18:23 marktraceur   ABM for CONTENT_AIR and CONTENT_IGNORE: chance 30000 that I'll turn into a cloud, then spread, then start raining
18:23 cy1           there's already C++ to adjust the light levels
18:23 Calinou       why content_ignore?
18:23 Calinou       marktraceur, will it be very slow, then?
18:24 marktraceur   Calinou: I think CONTENT_IGNORE gets used for some air
18:24 marktraceur   I could be wrong
18:24 Calinou       marktraceur, then rain will fall in buildings, no?
18:24 cy1           content_ignore gets used for unloaded blocks
18:24 marktraceur   Calinou: I don't know if it will be slow
18:24 Calinou       probablyh :P
18:24 Calinou       -h
18:24 marktraceur   And you could check for access to the sky
18:24 cy1           haha indoor rain
18:24 Calinou       anyway: this shouldn't be done in lua, at all
18:24 cy1           just have rain generate at y=100
18:24 Calinou       just as a test
18:24 marktraceur   cy1: My spaceship will be flooded!!!!
18:24 cy1           but C++ sucks :(
18:24 Calinou       FTW
18:25 cy1           marktraceur: shouldn't have built it right at the cloud layer then!!
18:25 marktraceur   Fuck the what indeed.
18:25 Calinou       people are too lazy today; see animals mod
18:25 * cy1         makes a meanie face and sits in your base punching you when you try to walk by
18:25 * cy1         is now the animals mod in a nutshell
18:27 marktraceur   cy1: No, you also have to walk on four legs and stand in a corner pretending to eat the cobblestone
18:27 cy1           lol
18:31 cy1           jesus christ I forgot about the fire
18:31 cy1           marktraceur: the land is like bare
18:32 marktraceur   cy1: Haha, which part of the map was it?
18:33 cy1           -79,17.5,-313
18:34 marktraceur   Hm
18:35 cy1           -153,-,-300 now
18:35 marktraceur   Do not know that
18:35 marktraceur   I don't remember where I've been in coordinates
18:35 cy1           know what?
18:35 marktraceur   What's it near?
18:35 cy1           oh
18:35 cy1           near me!
18:35 marktraceur   Oh, your platform?
18:35 cy1           also press f5 ;p
18:35 marktraceur   Your stand of trees?
18:35 marktraceur   (I know, but I'm not on the server)
18:36 cy1           no me
18:36 cy1           I'm following the fire
18:36 marktraceur   I don't know where you are. I am not on the server.
18:36 cy1           you're missing a great show!
18:36 marktraceur   Has anyone built near where the fire is, and if so, who is it?
18:36 cy1           it started by my thing
18:36 marktraceur   Is it so difficult to understand what I'm asking? Where is it in relation to human-recognizable landmarks?
18:37 marktraceur   OK, so the continent with darkrose's building
18:37 cy1           ...yes
18:37 cy1           with the wood floors T_T
18:37 marktraceur   cy1: Has it affected her building, then?
18:37 cy1           I haven't found it yet.
18:37 marktraceur   And if not, can you effect a rescue with water and/or stone?
18:38 cy1           fire spreads way too fast
18:38 cy1           by the time I found it it'd already have burned
18:38 marktraceur   cy1: http://marktraceur.info/shared/images/minetest/map.png for future reference
18:38 cy1           but I have a copy of that dumb fort anyway
18:38 marktraceur   I'm generating a new one
18:39 cy1           yeah, darkrose's fort is probably toast
18:39 cy1           that peninsula across from my tree farm
18:40 * marktraceur now notes that the peninsula is actually connected to the rest of the world
18:41 marktraceur   Uhhh
18:41 marktraceur   cy1: Can you retreat, backtrack, and enter the southern continent with the fire from the north, by land? If you could build a wall of some sort to stop the fire it would be helpful
18:43 cy1           I'm in the southern continent now
18:43 marktraceur   cy1: Right
18:43 cy1           so I can't enter it
18:43 marktraceur   If you walk back to your place, walk further north, then walk east to where the two continents meet, you might be able to build a wall to stop the fire
18:44 cy1           'k
18:44 marktraceur   I'm anxious to see how the map looks now :P
18:46 marktraceur   darkrose: It appears your house has not yet been affected by this. You can build preventative measures, I hope.
18:46 cy1           if it's actually got walls now it should be fine
18:46 cy1           marktraceur: how's your cpu load
18:47 marktraceur   cy1: It says mt is taking 6% or so right now
18:47 marktraceur   But nobody is on
18:47 marktraceur   Now 100%
18:48 marktraceur   But don't worry about it, just keep going unless it's too slow
18:48 cy1           yea I've just been having to reconnect
18:48 * darkrose    couldn't connect a couple of minutes ago
18:49 Mad           ello
18:49 darkrose      also, fire jumps through walls, up to 4 or so blocks
18:49 Mad           hey look <- i'm mad today, odd
18:49 marktraceur   Mad: Hi!
18:49 Mad           ohhaimark.ogg  >.>
18:49 Mad           just gonna lurk, ignore me
18:50 marktraceur   Mad: Absolutely not! Tell us everything.
18:50 Mad           lmfao, nothing to say, been messing with nodeboxes
18:50 Mad           using guesses to figure what of the 6 values is what
18:50 Mad           i know 2 is bottom face. 5 is top face. so on
18:51 Mad           made sideways halfsteps that have facedir :D
18:51 darkrose      the lua doc explains it
18:51 Mad           ^that i wish i had known the last 3 days
18:52 Mad           now to find that lua doc
18:52 Calinou       doc/lua_api.txt
18:52 Calinou       hi Mad
18:53 Mad           ello
18:53 Calinou       <Mad> made sideways halfsteps that have facedir :D
18:53 Calinou       beat you to it
18:53 Calinou       http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2092
18:53 Mad           haha, well i have 1/4 steps
18:53 Mad           and 1/8 steps :D
18:54 Calinou       meh, not really useful
18:54 Calinou       1/2 stairs/slabs/panels are enough
18:54 Calinou       panels: "quarter blocks", see my mod
18:54 Mad           and i'm trying to make a complex nodebox with one animated face and its gonna play video on it O.o
18:54 Mad           i need the middle 90% of one face sunk in
18:54 Mad           so one box thats .4 in every direction
18:54 Mad           and more boxes to surround it in
18:55 Mad           problem is idk if one face only can be animated?
18:56 Calinou       all faces can be animated; see the 3D torches mod
18:56 Mad           okay
18:56 Mad           was worried that it would animate all like liquids
18:57 Mad           x1 = front face when facedir right?
18:58 NakedFury     an animating node would need c++? something like a rotating gear
18:58 Mad           i mean animated as in texture frame by frame swapping
18:58 Mad           see-> how lava works
18:58 Mad           but sped up
18:58 cy1           ok operation water wall is go
19:00 Mad           cal you did upsidedown stairs?
19:00 Calinou       yes
19:00 Calinou       too late
19:01 Mad           i know :P i just am making one big mod for me and friends while i learn, i have them but yeah >.>
19:01 Mad           no easy way to use one node for both is there?
19:01 Mad           i endedup needing two
19:01 NakedFury     what is operation water wall?
19:01 Calinou       that's what she said
19:03 Mad           also cal can a block be made thats flat at bottom? could use it to hide stuff?
19:04 Calinou       flat blocks are possible, yes
19:04 Mad           like. a perfectly level with ground below it block?
19:04 Calinou       _almost_ flat is probably better to avoid z-fight issues
19:04 Mad           -.5,-.6,-.5,.5,-.5,.5   ?
19:04 Calinou       too thick :P
19:05 Calinou       -.5,-.55,-.5,.5,-.5,.5
19:05 Mad           :D
19:05 Calinou       better (can cause zfight when placed at high coordinates)
19:05 Mad           i see
19:06 Mad           i'm just thinking as long as y1 < -.5 and y2 = -.5 all will work?
19:08 Mad           anyone know where to find a almost relivent animation for my tv project?
19:08 marktraceur   Mad: Define "relivent"
19:09 Mad           in the games theme
19:09 marktraceur   An animation in the theme of "games"?
19:09 cy1           on nick jr
19:09 Mad           i'll x plain
19:09 marktraceur   Mad: Parlez-vous anglais?
19:10 Mad           would there be a video, that would be easily made into frames, of say an island in MT as a day passes
19:10 marktraceur   It's possible, I suppose
19:10 Mad           marktraceur: Mad has spoken english for not all my life
19:11 marktraceur   Mad: That seems to be, so let me help:
19:11 marktraceur   "Relevant", "explain", "in the game's theme"
19:11 Mad           danke
19:12 Mad           sorry for my poor spelling, i always feel that if i can be understood not to worry, maybe i was worse then i thought
19:12 Mad           than* (maybe?)
19:12 marktraceur   Mad: Yes
19:13 Mad           anyways
19:13 marktraceur   Mad: You can be understood, but it's never a bad idea to be *better* understood.
19:13 Mad           indeed
19:14 Mad           anyways, i will return to just monitoring this channel, i have a little work on servers and then i am going away for the day
19:14 marktraceur   Righto. Sorry I don't know any such videos, but I'm sure there's something you could find and download
19:14 Mad           thanks again :D
19:22 marktraceur   Stupid BS of the day: player.get_player_name doesn't work, player:get_player_name does. No documentation in lua_api.txt.
19:37 * marktraceur checks Mark's todo list for recreating "Deadliest Catch" in Minetest
19:37 marktraceur   Hm, no progress
19:37 marktraceur   Damn!
19:37 marktraceur   Must work on that tonight.
19:38 marktraceur   I believe the list was "traps, boats, cigarettes"
19:38 marktraceur   We'll ignore the last one for now, but boats is currently undoable
19:38 marktraceur   So trapping shall be happening tonight!
19:38 marktraceur   ....hopefully
19:38 Mad           why no boats?
19:39 Mad           3d entitys not doable?
19:40 marktraceur   Mad: Doable, but riding in them wouldn't be
19:40 marktraceur   At least, I can't think of a way
19:40 Mad           xD whats useless then
19:40 marktraceur   Ezzackly.
19:40 Mad           can't have it when a player rightclicks to place them they are moved to the boat and there y value locked?
19:41 Mad           then have the boat a thing that is always there position, and up max movement speed?
19:41 Mad           idk if possible, just asking?
19:42 marktraceur   Mad: "their"
19:42 Mad           yes :)
19:42 Mad           their*
19:42 marktraceur   Mad: It's perhaps possible, but maybe a bit difficult....I guess that can be next
19:43 marktraceur   I'll look into it
19:43 marktraceur   But trapping is more universally interesting, i.e., applies to the entire Minetest universe
19:43 Mad           just a suggestion, i am good at thinking ways of doing things, but bad at implimentation
19:43 marktraceur   In any case, I really wanted to implement boats as being extensible
19:43 marktraceur   i.e., you can build on them
19:43 marktraceur   But maybe that's not possible
19:44 Mad           OH! then you would need to impliment something gross like how that MC mod did it, check all attached blocks untill water, and make them an entity
19:44 marktraceur   Eugh
19:44 marktraceur   Nasty
19:44 Mad           yepps
19:45 marktraceur   Maybe I could implement some form of "boat builder" mechanism
19:45 marktraceur   Arrange nodes inside of some area, then hit a button, out pops a boat entity
19:45 * marktraceur sighs
19:45 Mad           you could have a boat building thing that all your boats where premade but the player had to place each part?
19:45 marktraceur   This is all very hypothetical, and should not be taken seriously
19:45 marktraceur   Mad: I would essentially do that anyway
19:46 marktraceur   But the other part of this is, entities would have to support the weight of a player
19:46 marktraceur   Rather than letting them fall through
19:46 marktraceur   Else it clearly wouldn't work
19:46 Mad           hmm
19:46 Mad           can entitys be solid?
19:46 marktraceur   I don't believe so, or at least, not right now
19:46 marktraceur   Does anyone else have anything to say about that possibility?
19:47 marktraceur   Then again, I could just add in an invisible node that is always at the level of the ship's deck
19:47 marktraceur   It wouldn't be particularly mobile, but it would work
19:48 Mad           indeed, and to save on code for your boats "player built" aspect could you make a new group?
19:49 cy1           alright
19:49 marktraceur   Mad: I wish. I don't think that's possible
19:49 Mad           like how there is 'cracky' and those "tree=1,snappy=1,choppy=2,oddly_breakable_by_hand=1,flammable=2"  make a few more
19:49 cy1           operation water wall is complete
19:49 marktraceur   cy1: Woo! Thanks!
19:49 cy1           there is no way in hell fire is going to get past that
19:49 marktraceur   darkrose: Be advised that the fire is now entirely your problem :P
19:49 marktraceur   cy1: Do you have any ideas re: boats?
19:49 marktraceur   Or rather, ships
19:50 cy1           marktraceur: stuff already floats. just make movestone work again and cascade to other blocks
19:51 marktraceur   cy1: Mrrr, don't really want to depend on mesecons, it's pretty buggy
19:51 cy1           with the additional benefit that you can mar the landscape by crashing into shit
19:51 marktraceur   cy1: I guess the difficult part would be moving the boat from one place to another, and keeping the player moving with it
19:52 marktraceur   Since there's currently no concept of friction in the game
19:52 marktraceur   And really, except in this particular case, that's a really good thing
19:54 darkrose      marktraceur: my dodgy raft mod :) https://github.com/darkrose/minetest_mods/tree/master/raft
19:55 NakedFury     adding transportation would need c++ code?
19:55 marktraceur   darkrose: Dodgy indeed, being on github :P
19:55 * marktraceur jests
19:56 cy1           thank you for clarifying that
19:56 marktraceur   I like it
19:56 marktraceur   darkrose: I'm thinking this needs to be on the server :)
19:56 marktraceur   ....I may also make bigger ones
20:00 marktraceur   cy1: Ha, I love the wall
20:01 cy1           ok darkrose's fort is safe
20:01 cy1           maybe not orchard but oh well
20:01 marktraceur   cy1: Great!
20:01 cy1           sandstone walls do not burn
20:01 cy1           wood is safely far enough away
20:01 cy1           unless this ladder catches eh...
20:01 marktraceur   May as well let the fire run its course, then, and get rid of it
20:02 darkrose      also, fire jumps through walls, up to 4 or so blocks
20:02 darkrose      happened to me on gameboom
20:02 cy1           eh...
20:02 cy1           thought it checked for air even when far jumping
20:04 darkrose      this: http://gameboom.net/images/minetest/3003/screenshot-minetest became this: http://gameboom.net/images/minetest/3018/screenshot-minetest
20:05 darkrose      there was stone and glass between the wood and the lava
20:08 cy1           shit here comes the fire
20:08 cy1           brb dumping water everywhere
20:09 marktraceur   darkrose: Nice screenshots, I like it
20:09 darkrose      ta :)
20:23 cy1           ok the fire seems to have moved on
20:24 cy1           it got one corner of the orchard but I soaked the rest
20:24 marktraceur   Noice
20:28 marktraceur   cy1: So I has a question.
20:28 marktraceur   Clearly backups are a desirable thing
20:28 marktraceur   But I have been lazy thus far
20:29 cy1           mine backs up hourly
20:29 cy1           was easy
20:29 marktraceur   When I get around to it, should it require server restarts?
20:29 cy1           no just use rdiff-backup
20:29 marktraceur   rdiff-backup
20:29 marktraceur   K
20:30 cy1           also give me a shell so I can back up mine remotely on yours
20:31 marktraceur   cy1: Not a chance, there are sadly not many bytes remaining on my server
20:31 marktraceur   OK, that's a lie, but backups will start to take some space
20:32 cy1           it's like 40mb
20:32 cy1           but yeah no problem
20:32 marktraceur   cy1: Shouldn't be too hard to find a remote place to back up....
20:33 VanessaE      1TB disk in a USB enclosure, rsync to make incrementals.  problem solved. :-)
20:34 cy1           I don't have any friends who'll give me a shell sorry :(
20:34 cy1           except this guy named coyo but he doesn't have dyndns
20:35 cy1           and those cost like $200 VanessaE 8/
20:35 VanessaE      $200?
20:35 VanessaE      um, no
20:35 VanessaE      try $70ish
20:36 cy1           since when?
20:36 cy1           including the enclosure??
20:36 VanessaE      mine was 86 and that was a couple of years ago
20:36 cy1           rdiff-backup is better for incrementals btw
20:38 cy1           Epica is 49mb at the moment.
20:38 cy1           backup directory is 38 8/
20:38 VanessaE      http://www.goharddrive.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=G03-1048&Click=46406
20:38 VanessaE      (found via pricewatch)
20:40 VanessaE      it isn't the one I'm using, but it's similar, and only $80.
20:40 VanessaE      free shipping too, and this company is decent to deal with, I've bought from them before.
20:41 cy1           huh
20:41 cy1           VanessaE: think I might buy that
20:42 cy1           but
20:42 cy1           it's still not offsite backups :/
20:42 VanessaE      no, but an external disk is good enough.
20:42 cy1           keep in mind I just stood in the middle of a forest fire
20:42 cy1           with buckets of water
20:42 VanessaE      offsite = bandwidth hogging service that depends on someone else's idea of uptime.
20:42 cy1           and stopped it :|
20:43 marktraceur   minetest: enabling you to do stupid shit since 2011.
20:43 cy1           how about I backup stuff from my one internal hard drive, to my other internal hard drive?
20:43 marktraceur   cy1: Nothing could possibly go wrong!
20:43 VanessaE      because you can't unplug the internal drive and put it in the closet when it isn't in use?
20:43 VanessaE      (at least, it isn't meant to be that way)
20:44 cy1           so I have to plug it in every hour to make a backup? :/
20:44 VanessaE      I didn't see the bit about "every hour" :-)
20:44 cy1           well, hourly backups is just common sense `-`
20:44 VanessaE      still, external is better than internal.  if nothing else, you can isolate it from your main machine much more reapidly in the event of some catastrophe
20:45 cy1           ah, hm
20:45 cy1           and I already got thinking
20:45 VanessaE      rapidly too
20:45 cy1           can backup hourly somewhere on the same disk
20:45 cy1           and plug in the external one weekly
20:45 VanessaE      granted the argument could be made that you could just take the whole machine with you
20:45 cy1           keep it in a faraday cage otherwise
20:46 VanessaE      a Faraday cage?  er, that's overkill, I think :-)
20:46 cy1           yeah, the network plug is the first to go
20:46 cy1           xD
20:47 cy1           wish you could power stuff inside a faraday cage from outside one. then we could save our computers from the coming solar storms
20:47 VanessaE      lasers. :)
20:48 cy1           you make a compelling argument for lasers
20:49 VanessaE      though I doubt a Faraday cage will do much against a solar storm, seeing as how it blocks radio frequencies, rather than a mostly-DC stream like a solar flare would produce
20:51 cy1           DC doesn't burn out antennas
20:51 VanessaE      true
20:52 VanessaE      but it can set up oscillating currents in a circuit, if the DC is not 100% constant
20:52 VanessaE      (to me, it's DC if it never changes polarity - it's rippled if it varies a lot)
20:52 cy1           oh, huh...
20:52 cy1           dunno then
20:52 cy1           I'm not very well schooled in electronics.
20:53 VanessaE      neither am I, I just know just enough to get into trouble ;-)
20:53 cy1           So how does one protect sensitive electronics from solar flares?
20:54 cy1           just curious
20:54 VanessaE      a lead-lined safe WITH a Faraday cage around it, and only ultraviolet lasers for power and comms? :-)? ;-)
20:54 marktraceur   cy1: Don't live near the sun
20:54 marktraceur   A few light years oughta do it
20:55 VanessaE      (UV = whichever band in particular is blocked by the atmosphere)
20:56 marktraceur   I gotta say, a Pluto datacenter is sounding cooler and cooler
20:57 VanessaE      heh
20:57 cy1           <3
20:57 cy1           but bandwidth would be killer
20:57 VanessaE      if you don't mind a tenuous methane atmosphere
20:57 cy1           *latency
20:57 VanessaE      oh bandwidth isn't the problem - latency is :-)
20:58 cy1           bandwidth is a problem, considering how much fidelity you'd lose even in a laser that far
20:58 VanessaE      it's what, 8 light-hours between here and pluto?
20:58 cy1           but not as big as latency
20:59 VanessaE      hey tapo
21:00 VanessaE      hey emspri
21:00 emspri        hi van
21:00 VanessaE      still down :'(
21:00 emspri        yeah but im playing on brobostigon's server
21:01 brobostigon   emspri: is it working ok, i havent checked it since earlier.
21:01 emspri        your server is working great :D
21:01 emspri        van his server has buckets
21:01 brobostigon   emspri: good to hear, i liked the lava fountain, :)
21:02 VanessaE      better keep Landmine out then ;-)
21:02 brobostigon   emspri: please put those back where you found them, they are mine.
21:02 brobostigon   emspri: the buckets.
21:02 VanessaE      brobostigon: what mods?
21:02 emspri        ok but can you tel me how to make them ??
21:02 brobostigon   VanessaE: none yet.
21:02 tapo          hi
21:02 VanessaE      no? :(
21:02 VanessaE      - - -
21:02 brobostigon   emspri: calinou helped me.
21:03 VanessaE      S - S
21:03 VanessaE      - S -
21:03 VanessaE      = bucket.
21:03 VanessaE      (S = steel)
21:03 brobostigon   VanessaE: i will be adding calinou's.
21:03 emspri        ok
21:03 emspri        tapo there is a server if you are borred
21:03 tapo          :)
21:03 VanessaE      brobostigon: don't forget my mods - homedecor, unifieddyes, animatedtorches, junglegrass ;-)
21:03 emspri        mine.taylorworld.me.uk
21:03 VanessaE      (you'll also want flowers and wool)
21:04 tapo          emspri: port?
21:04 emspri        3000
21:04 brobostigon   VanessaE: i will test them locally, for longer periods, to ensure i am happy it wont compromise.
21:04 tapo          emspri: version of client?
21:04 VanessaE      ok
21:04 emspri        i think the same as minetest.ru
21:05 emspri        but you have to ask interact privs first
21:05 tapo          waa :)
21:08 tapo          emspri: I just wanted to try out a tiny tiny little thing of... http://mc.westeroscraft.com/press.html (scroll down)
21:09 tapo          is that incredible or ill? :)
21:09 VanessaE      that's INSANE.
21:12 emspri        il look at it now
21:17 emspri        tapo are you comming to the server ??
21:19 emspri        VanessaE are you comming too ??
21:19 VanessaE      I dunno
21:19 VanessaE      maybe later
21:19 tapo          same for me
21:19 tapo          surfing science websites at the moment
21:21 emspri        who made those buildings ??
21:21 emspri        or kingdomes
21:25 Ririshi       Hey
21:26 marktraceur   Ririshi: Hi!
21:26 Ririshi       How are you mark?
21:26 marktraceur   Ririshi: Awesome, gonna lay some knowledge down, hold on
21:26 emspri        brobostigon can i pleeeeaaaasssse have some tree cuz this was the third timy all the wood in my house got burned and cutting wood takes so much time <:(
21:26 Ririshi       marktraceur: eh okay?
21:27 marktraceur   emspri: "I'll" "coming" "kingdoms" "'cause" "time"
21:27 marktraceur   Those are correct spellings, please use them
21:27 marktraceur   Ririshi: So yes, how are you?
21:27 brobostigon   emspri: the rest of us, had to do it that way, and sorry, but, it is only fair for you to do the same.
21:27 emspri        can i do something for it ??
21:29 Ririshi       I´m not really active. cya :p
21:29 VanessaE      brobostigon: well I'm there on your server.  feel free to assign privileges as you see fit :-)
21:30 brobostigon   VanessaE: one moment.
21:34 marktraceur   CanauckTux: Howdy!
21:34 CanauckTux    hi
21:36 CanauckTux    it's great that minetest works on linux
21:36 CanauckTux    and that they have it in the Ubuntu Repo's
21:37 marktraceur   CanauckTux: And how.
21:37 CanauckTux    ?
21:37 marktraceur   Though really, that's the origin of the game, so it makes sense that it works on GNU/Linux :)
21:38 CanauckTux    Yeah, most Open Source Software gets ported to linux at some time or another
21:38 CanauckTux    or starts here
21:38 marktraceur   Heh, I'd say a huge portion of it is written specifically for GNU/Linux
21:39 marktraceur   It's hard to build a bridge when you can't see either side of the river....
21:40 marktraceur   (because hey, it's never bad to have more analogies)
21:41 marktraceur   CanauckTux: Have you been around this channel before? I feel I haven't seen you around.
21:41 marktraceur   Awesome
21:48 Ririshi|AFK   Help!
21:49 VanessaE      hm?
21:49 Ririshi|AFK   LandMine is terrorizing the gameboom server!
21:49 VanessaE      that's Bad_Command's domain ..
21:50 Ririshi|AFK   Is Bad_Command here?
21:50 VanessaE      he's not at the computer it would appear
21:50 Ririshi|AFK   sigh.
21:50 VanessaE      (I think he comes on late, ~5 hours from now or so)
21:52 Ririshi|AFK   NOOOOO.
21:52 Ririshi|AFK   Everyone will have lost their stuff...
21:52 VanessaE      he has backups I think
21:53 Ririshi|AFK   VanessaE: where do you play?
21:53 jk_           hey vanessa, to use unifieddyes in my mod, do i need to supply colored textures?
22:02 tapo          gn8 cu
22:03 VanessaE      jk: for whatever mod you are creating, yeah
22:04 VanessaE      unifieddyes just supplies the colors (mainly as little flasks of colored liquid), but you still have to create something that uses them
22:04 jk_           i need plain colors, so i recreate all of its textures as single pixel textures?
22:05 VanessaE      plain colors?
22:05 VanessaE      you mean like straight single-colored blocks?
22:05 jk_           yes, one nodebox, one single color
22:05 VanessaE      I guess yeah, a single pixel of the desired color is sufficient.
22:05 VanessaE      or, if you're adventurous, you could use imagemagick to crop a single pixel from the middle of each flask and save it to a new image
22:06 VanessaE      then you can be sure your colors are identical to the dyes ;-)
22:06 jk_           yes, gonna do something of the like.
22:06 emspri        i wont mese with lava again
22:06 jk_           do you or anybody else know if it is possible to scale an object in the inventory and hud? i wanna make a thing thats larger than a block
22:06 VanessaE      lava is too dangerous, emspri :-)
22:07 VanessaE      which is why people use it so often to grief with
22:07 VanessaE      jk: in the inventory/hud I dunno.  in the world, the visual_scale = xx.xx parameter will do the job
22:07 VanessaE      (where 1.0 = normal size, 2.0 = double size, 0.5 = half size, etc)
22:07 jk_           yes, world works fine, but it doesn't look nice in inventory...
22:08 brobostigon   ok, that is unacceptable, my server almost diedm fior lack of ram.
22:08 VanessaE      in the inventory, I recommend making a texture specific to that purpose
22:08 brobostigon   anyway, it is restarted.
22:08 jk_           good idea. any other programs apart from minetest to render it?
22:10 jk_           ah well, turns out im just stupid. nevermind my last question
22:15 VanessaE      jk: if you wait, however, bas080 is doing a cotton mod similar to wool, which will use unifieddyes
22:17 brobostigon   good night everyone, sleep well.
22:17 VanessaE      night brobostigon
22:17 brobostigon   good night VanessaE o/
22:20 marktraceur   CanauckTux: Welcome back
22:20 CanauckTux    hi
22:27 jk_           i just started to make my first mod, trying to come up with a proof of concept.
22:27 jk_           I wanna make a loom.
22:27 VanessaE      cool
22:31 * marktraceur wonders why there's no unary operator for "assign not this"
22:32 VanessaE      node-name pattern matching would be useful in certain cases, too..
22:32 marktraceur   Would be super-useful for toggling
22:32 marktraceur   var toggle = false; toggle!!; //toggle is now true
22:33 marktraceur   Even more better, !!toggle
22:33 VanessaE      toggle = 1-toggle
22:33 VanessaE      :-)
22:33 VanessaE      old trick from the 8-bit era.
22:33 VanessaE      (assumes toggle is normally 1 or 0)
22:33 marktraceur   VanessaE: That's not only *not* unary, it's two binary operators!
22:33 VanessaE      heh
22:33 VanessaE      yeah I know, but for lack of a proper unary NOT operator, this works. :-)
22:33 marktraceur   I at least have a binary with a unary: toggle = !toggle;
22:34 marktraceur   But it's imperfect
22:34 marktraceur   And then for a number, I need to add in a nasty third operator
22:34 VanessaE      jeez, picky picky :-)
22:35 VanessaE      back in MY day we didn't have unary operators at all :-)
22:36 marktraceur   VanessaE: You're in the wrong room for that :P
22:36 cy1           (++toggle)%2==0
22:36 VanessaE      that's getting a little Rube Goldberg-esque :-)
22:36 cy1           seriously though unary assignment operators are fucked up
22:36 marktraceur   cy1: So your solution to my woes about having to use two binary operators and a unary one is to give me the exact same thing? :P
22:37 marktraceur   Let me just say, if the JavaScript assignment operator didn't evaluate as an expression, I would be *so* pissed
22:37 cy1           marktraceur: no my solution to your woes about using two binary operators ias to use two binary operators and one unary
22:38 marktraceur   cy1: That's my current solution
22:38 marktraceur   (switchoff = !switchoff) * 1
22:38 cy1           oh well just go switchoff = !switchoff then
22:38 cy1           no * 1 needed
22:38 marktraceur   cy1: I want the number, so
22:39 cy1           if(switchoff) number = 1 else number = 0 end
22:39 VanessaE      haha
22:39 marktraceur   ....now we're into using CONDITIONAL STATEMENTS?
22:39 marktraceur   Has the imagination gone from the world!?
22:40 VanessaE      back in the day, mark, that was how you did it, before people started using X=1-X
22:40 marktraceur   OOH
22:40 cy1           using assignments as expressions, that way lies badness
22:40 VanessaE      badness, or bad-ass-ness ;-)
22:40 marktraceur   Wait
22:40 marktraceur   Hm.
22:40 marktraceur   Damn it, operators
22:41 cy1           crappy badness
22:41 marktraceur   OK, I should stop fucking around
22:42 VanessaE      LDA variable: EOR #01: STA variable
22:42 VanessaE      there, just to get the low-level languages out of the way
22:45 marktraceur   See, exclusive or would really be the best way to do it
22:46 marktraceur   Aha!
22:46 marktraceur   toggle = toggle ^ 1
22:46 marktraceur   Two binary operators is probably my best bet
22:46 VanessaE      didn't I say something like that earlier? :-)
22:46 marktraceur   Uhhh
22:47 marktraceur   Oh, you did have the 1-toggle
22:47 * marktraceur is a sucker for bitwise operators
22:47 VanessaE      1-N is the same as N XOR 1 as long as N is only ever 1 or 0
22:47 marktraceur   VanessaE: Aha, but see, I don't trust myself not to break things
22:47 marktraceur   XOR it shall be
22:47 VanessaE      heh
22:47 VanessaE      but!
22:48 VanessaE      you'll need to AND-mask the rest of the bits if you don't truly trust yourself ;-)
22:48 VanessaE      toggle = (toggle ^ 1) & 254   (or 65534 or whatever)
22:48 marktraceur   I trust myself to always have 1 be 1, so no need for anything like that
22:49 * marktraceur considers how hard it would be to have a ClintonScript that changed the meaning of 1 every once in a while to be 2
22:50 VanessaE      hah
22:50 marktraceur   Haha! Step back 12 years in the past!
22:50 VanessaE      "There we 1's and 0's everywhere!  And I even think I saw a 2."
22:51 * marktraceur is straining to remember the source of that quote.
22:51 VanessaE      Good News Everyone! (tm)
22:52 marktraceur   Ah, yes
22:52 VanessaE      aw come on.  it's a staple of the geek diet :-)
22:52 VanessaE      (though I suppose I botched the quote slightly.  oh well)
22:52 marktraceur   I have seen that episode maybe once, but I haven't watched the entire series
22:53 VanessaE      I've seen everything up to that one dealing with Mom and everyone getting an EyePhone or whatever it was called.
22:53 VanessaE      though I'll be damned if I can remember if that was a "movie" or a regular episode
22:54 marktraceur   Noted
22:54 marktraceur   OK, let's see if all of that brain gymnastics was of any use
22:54 marktraceur   Oh, no, one more thing
22:54 marktraceur   :P
22:54 VanessaE      "A Head in the Polls" was the 1's/0's reference.
22:55 marktraceur   Mmkay
22:58 marktraceur   Ha, none of that worked at all
22:59 VanessaE      guess it's back to 1-toggle ;-)
22:59 marktraceur   No, the toggling thing worked
22:59 marktraceur   I'm trying to center the bastard now
23:00 VanessaE      oh
23:18 FreeFull      marktraceur: toggle = toggle?0:toggle;
23:18 VanessaE      verilog syntax?
23:19 FreeFull      C
23:19 VanessaE      eh, same diff.
23:21 marktraceur   FreeFull: So rather than binary operators, now we're using TERNARY?
23:23 khonkhortisan I used ternary once, it was difficult
23:25 VanessaE      damn it
23:26 VanessaE      can someone try this test track?
23:26 VanessaE      http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1999
23:26 VanessaE      is it broken for you guys as it is for me?  (I designed it!)
23:26 noob          BADCOMMAND LANDMINE IS GRIEFING THE CRAP OUT OF GAMEBOOM SERVER!!!
23:26 VanessaE      Bad_Command isn't around right now.
23:27 noob          o no
23:27 noob          we are having to run from him hes killing us all and trapping all tele pads
23:27 noob          vannesa is mineetst.ru up?
23:27 VanessaE      when I last tried a couple hours ago, no
23:27 noob          gah
23:28 noob          do you know when bad_commands guna be on?
23:28 marktraceur   noob: Please be patient, he'll be on eventually.
23:28 VanessaE      I would expect 4 or so hours from now.
23:28 noob          dang so like 12am again
23:28 VanessaE      yeah thereabouts.
23:28 noob          landmine just said hes griefing my castle
23:29 marktraceur   noob: Better tell his mom, then. Or you could wait for Bad_Command like an adult.
23:29 marktraceur   Or you could ask one of us nicely to talk to Bad_Command for you
23:30 marktraceur   Of course, he's been pinged several times by now, but in case he hasn't gotten the message
23:30 noob          please could u please do that for me
23:30 noob          i see him hes griefing my house
23:30 marktraceur   noob: If I see him, I'll do my best to tell Bad_Command about LandMine griefing
23:30 noob          i went on my fake account and hes almost taken down a wall
23:30 noob          ok ty
23:30 marktraceur   But like we've said, it will be some time
23:31 noob          k :/
23:31 noob          oh well
23:31 noob          this just majorly sucks
23:31 noob          could one of u get on my fake account?
23:31 noob          its called noobs wiht no pass
23:31 noob          i wana make him wonder which one im on
23:31 marktraceur   noob: What? What purpose would that serve?
23:32 noob          cuz then he cant kill both accounts
23:32 marktraceur   noob: Your name is very apt.
23:32 noob          first u get on noobs and run with him chasing u
23:32 noob          meh
23:32 NakedFury     you should go very far from spawn and forget about him
23:32 marktraceur   *nod*
23:32 marktraceur   Or go to a more different server
23:32 NakedFury     landmine is an ass
23:32 marktraceur   Or hey, here's a plan: Single player!
23:33 NakedFury     and he will keep being an ass until a way to block asses forever appears
23:33 noob          yah :/
23:33 noob          he knows wat ima do
23:33 noob          mark shutup
23:33 noob          i dont wana get on a dif server as none ae up
23:33 noob          and landmines ruining this one
23:34 marktraceur   noob: Mine is; though I doubt you'd want to be on it, I talk on it very often. Ah well.
23:35 noob          k wats ur server called and hes destroyed 1 floor of my house
23:35 noob          gah that bitch
23:36 marktraceur   noob: It really doesn't matter what my server is called, as I'm so distasteful to you. Really is a shame, though, I've heard I have pretty good bandwidth and all
23:38 noob          gah mark ur just an asshole
23:38 noob          wait
23:38 noob          you landmine
23:38 VanessaE      nope, Landmine actually signs on here as such
23:38 noob          gah
23:39 noob          mark ive done nothing to you no need to be an ass
23:39 marktraceur   You're really helping your case, noob
23:39 marktraceur   Keep calling me an ass, that'll help your case
23:39 marktraceur   'cause really, in my entire life, that's all I've wanted: For people to call me an ass
23:39 khonkhortisan that almost sounds like an insult calling noob a noob :)
23:40 marktraceur   (in case there are people in here who don't get it yet, this is a prime example of _sarcasm_)
23:41 VanessaE      now wtf is this error supposed to mean?
23:41 VanessaE      19:38:59: ERROR[main]: ServerError: LuaError: error running function 'on_step': .../local/bin/../share/minetest/builtin/item_entity.lua:75: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)
23:41 khonkhortisan sounds familiar
23:42 marktraceur   VanessaE: Code?
23:42 VanessaE      mark: just trying to load my texture pack test track.
23:42 khonkhortisan it wouldn't be that difficult to make a speed limit on changing blocks created by other players
23:42 marktraceur   Oh, hm
23:42 VanessaE      note the filename is one of minetest's game files.
23:42 marktraceur   That does sound familiar
23:43 VanessaE      http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1999
23:43 VanessaE      loading this world, in particular
23:43 VanessaE      (one I developed just a matter of days ago, suddenly no longer works)
23:44 marktraceur   Hm
23:45 marktraceur   VanessaE: Have you registered a node, created some, and then unloaded the mod that registered the node?
23:45 VanessaE      yes, in fact.
23:45 VanessaE      unifieddyes was updated, junglegrass was added, blox was removed.
23:46 VanessaE      (this test track does have nodes from blox in it, but at the worst, they should be rendering as "unknown node"
23:47 marktraceur   Should, I suppose
23:47 * VanessaE    sighs
23:47 marktraceur   Maybe a bug in core, I don't know
23:48 VanessaE      why did c55 have to choose NOW to go on a break?  the game is so broken now in places.
23:50 marktraceur   Ha, VanessaE, perhaps related to the fact that we all feel motivated to fill the gaps he's left, and are overusing the codebase in ways we wouldn't normall
23:50 marktraceur   y
23:50 VanessaE      I suppose so
23:50 VanessaE      it's just - we're all trying our best to expand the game, add new content, and some people are actively fixing bugs - but c55 isn't around to make commits
23:52 khonkhortisan does anyone else have commit access?
23:52 VanessaE      apparently not - and here c55 was just asking a while back for others to take over managing the project.
23:52 marktraceur   khonkhortisan: Not on core, not that I recall
23:55 VanessaE      ok, if I put blox back in, it works.
23:56 VanessaE      (but that means leaving something else out - stairsplus in this case - because I'm at some kind of obscure number-of-item-definitions limit)
23:58 marktraceur   I can see how that might get frustrating
23:58 VanessaE      beyond frustrating.  that's a critical bug.
23:58 marktraceur   Well, yeah
23:58 VanessaE      or at least, an important one.
23:59 VanessaE      I'd almost go so far as to mark it a blocker, because it results in data loss if you can't apply some kind of workaround.