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00:01 * benrob0329 makes a Windows 10 recovery drive before installing Antergos on his new laptop
00:01 Calinou I didn't make a recovery drive when dual booting on my laptop
00:01 Calinou YOLO, as we say
00:01 Calinou but I managed to keep the recovery partition
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00:02 benrob0329 If something doesn't work I want the warrenty to be happy
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00:45 Sokomine hmm. i'm trying to get my handle_schematics mod to indicate to the player how to "build" a saved schematic manually. trouble is: if there are nodes in the air, how to indicate that these nodes ought to go?
00:46 Sokomine i've placed a digging-indicator (inverted pick colored red) on top, but there still needs to be information on how far the player ought to dig down. any ideas?
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02:24 benrob0329 wadup, im now rockin Antergos on me new laptop :D
02:24 benrob0329 and hexchat works pretty well it'd seem
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04:21 benrob0329 are there any coding practices i should be doing that im not? https://github.com/benrob0329/tardis
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05:08 OldCoder benrob0329, see other channel
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05:38 octacian Night all!
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07:56 VanessaE moening, est31
07:57 VanessaE morning, too.
08:12 OldCoder
08:13 lordfingle o/
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08:15 VanessaE hi
08:16 OldCoder lordfingle, give us a jingle
08:16 lordfingle Well I have a little song and it won't take long
08:18 OldCoder The song is where we belong
08:19 lordfingle I'd like to teach the world to sing
08:19 lordfingle In perfect harmony
08:19 lordfingle I'd like to hold it in my arms
08:19 lordfingle And keep it company
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08:19 OldCoder Showing your age, fingle, but it is a genuine jingle
08:20 OldCoder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKws8A-jdww
08:21 lordfingle oh dear...I was only 1 year old then
08:21 OldCoder Time flies then we dies
08:21 OldCoder No matter whats we tries
08:22 lordfingle When I die and they lay me to rest
08:22 lordfingle Gonna go to the place that's the best -
08:22 lordfingle When I lay me down to die
08:22 lordfingle Goin' up to the spirit in the sky
08:22 lordfingle That's where I'm gonna go when I die
08:22 lordfingle When I die and they lay me to rest
08:22 lordfingle Gonna go to the place that's the best
08:23 OldCoder Spirit in the Sky?
08:23 OldCoder We should make a MT Heaven
08:23 lordfingle He's gonna recommend you
08:23 lordfingle To the spirit in the sky
08:24 lordfingle MT is heaven, a blocky heaven
08:24 lordfingle And for you guys (except VanessaE and me) a pixelized one
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08:27 lordfingle When I die and they upload me to minetest
08:27 lordfingle Gonna go to the place that's the best
08:27 lordfingle When I lay me down to die
08:27 lordfingle Goin' up to the server in the sky
08:27 VanessaE "server in the sky"....so, the cloud then? :P
08:28 lordfingle "Somewhere, over the the Skybox"
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08:30 lordfingle hi tenplus1, welcome to the cloud
08:30 tenplus1 hi fingle
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08:30 OldCoder in the cloud all is allowed
08:30 tenplus1 lol
08:31 * tenplus1 pee's in the cloud, makes yellow rain
08:31 OldCoder Hm
08:31 lordfingle oh, real classy
08:31 * OldCoder is hearing Purple Rain now
08:31 OldCoder But yellow
08:31 tenplus1 hah
08:31 lordfingle my snow biome is all stained now
08:32 * tenplus1 writes name in snow with yellow particles
08:32 lordfingle "someone left my bread out in the rain..."
08:33 lordfingle tenplus1 must be Canadian...
08:33 tenplus1 http://lolsnaps.com/upload_pi​c/2aa39a0c-breaking-news.jpg
08:34 lordfingle ahem
08:35 Calinou https://i.redd.it/yg3fb7og5joy.png
08:35 Calinou Minetest mod debugging in a nutshell
08:35 tenplus1 hi cal
08:35 Calinou hi
08:36 lordfingle o/
08:51 VanessaE ok I just fell in love with `xdotool`.  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24286827/
08:52 Shara Morning all
08:52 tenplus1 hi Shara
08:52 Shara Hi Ten
08:52 tenplus1 hows things
08:52 Shara Not bad at all
08:52 VanessaE hi Shara
08:52 Shara How about for you?
08:52 tenplus1 hi Vanessa
08:53 VanessaE hi tenplus1
08:53 tenplus1 not long woken up :P  *sips coffee*
08:53 Shara Hi VanessaE
08:58 Calinou VanessaE: best tool for cheating at Cookie Clicker :)
08:59 tenplus1 been checking out the 'underworlds' mod Shara, looks pretty good if you want huuuuuuuge realms in map...  still prefer caverealms_lite tho :D
09:00 Shara I liked the look of that mod too, but from the screenshots it seemed like a bit less content overall. Might be wrong.
09:01 VanessaE now if only Minetest didn't stretch the sides of the window when it's super-wide
09:01 tenplus1 certain levels have huge terrains of ice biome, lava biome, copper towers, poisoned swamp etc...
09:11 Shara I'll have to test it out when I have more time
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09:27 tenplus1 hi DI3HARD139
09:28 DI3HARD139 Hello
09:28 tenplus1 do you have voice on TPS_SkyBlock ?
09:30 DI3HARD139 on #thepixelshadow no. Not sure about the server itself though
09:31 tenplus1 latest xpanes dont seem to work with skyblock challenge, nodename change needed...
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10:59 tenplus1 hi Fixer
11:14 OldCoder
11:15 OldCoder https://minetest.org/ updated to add maps. If you'd like a zoomable map of your world included, provide a zipped map.sqlite file.
11:15 OldCoder
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12:27 tenplus1 hi fingle
12:39 lordfingle hi tenplus1
12:41 tenplus1 it's weird how so many packages are installed in linux that aren't used/needed
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12:41 tenplus1 hi Jordach
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12:42 Topic for #minetest-project is now PM ops for voice | http://minetest.org/proposal.html | Logs are at http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-project
12:42 CWz I can confirm that minetest "works" on windows 98SE using KernalEx
12:42 tenplus1 hi nathan
12:42 NathanS21 hi tenplus1
12:43 CWz https://postimg.org/image/lp70uxkkp/
12:43 lordfingle Windows 98SE....
12:43 lordfingle wow
12:43 tenplus1 lol, I may still have an original install cd for that fingle :P
12:43 tenplus1 and win95 osr/2
12:44 lordfingle I think it can even run under emulation on Android...
12:44 tenplus1 hah
12:44 tenplus1 running doom on your mobile :D
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12:44 tenplus1 hi robbie
12:45 tenplus1 pushed a pull for your skyblock mod rob
12:45 tenplus1 fixes the iron bar issue
12:45 * CWz fears an influx of Win98 MTServers
12:46 tenplus1 hi CWz
12:46 CWz hey
12:46 tenplus1 that woudl be so funny if it worked tho CWz :P
12:47 RobbieF hi tenplus1 - awesome, thank you!!! So it really was an issue then?
12:47 CWz server mode actually works fine as far as i could tell
12:47 Jordach >my irc client calls minetest-project minetest-pro
12:47 RobbieF Hey CWz
12:47 tenplus1 yeah, latest changes to xpanes messed with node names
12:48 CWz minetest for Proes
12:49 RobbieF Thanks so much for that tenplus1!
12:49 CWz Promium minetest, now with 80% less nubs
12:49 tenplus1 that's why I'm going through all of the tasks robbie :) if they can be done then all is well :D
12:51 tenplus1 also manglefox put a sign showing players the way to my base :) so I added another sign as a diversion... ehehehehe
12:57 tenplus1 also, I cannot chat on that server ? is there something I need to agree to
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13:03 tenplus1 wb lumidify
13:03 lumidify Hi tenplus1
13:04 * Jordach hallucinated again
13:04 tenplus1 gotta lay of those shrooms dude
13:04 * Jordach saw an OldCoder in chat
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13:07 tenplus1 hi xtreme
13:08 Fixer CWz: very good
13:08 tenplus1 RobbieF: yes it did, quest worked fine :)  continuing with the rest... still cant chat in channel
13:08 RobbieF :D Great! Thanks!
13:08 RobbieF can't chat in channel?
13:08 RobbieF how come?
13:08 tenplus1 nothing appears when I type
13:08 RobbieF weird!
13:12 tenplus1 need to borrow 1 sand from someone
13:27 RobbieF Tenplus1 how does one open the craft guide on that server?
13:27 tenplus1 use it in hand
13:27 tenplus1 like a tool
13:27 RobbieF thanks
13:28 tenplus1 seems that it all works, fifaplayer just completed all tasks :D
13:29 RobbieF we need MORE levels!!! like, pronto!
13:29 tenplus1 ehehehe
13:30 tenplus1 ahh, you put walking torches in game
13:30 tenplus1 nice effect but laggy :P ehehe
13:31 RobbieF is it really laggy tenplus1, or are you just being a wuss?
13:31 RobbieF ;)
13:31 tenplus1 lol
13:31 RobbieF isn't it worth it? I mean, you can put it away!
13:32 RobbieF (if you don't have enough RAM)
13:32 RobbieF :p
13:32 tenplus1 what happened to game ?
13:32 tenplus1 did you shut down ?
13:32 RobbieF Gah, another crash
13:32 tenplus1 damn, lemmie see
13:32 RobbieF craftitems.lua:18: attempt to call method 'get_meta' (a nil value)
13:33 RobbieF in default
13:33 RobbieF GAH
13:33 RobbieF means I need to update core eh?
13:33 tenplus1 checking
13:33 RobbieF -- tenplus1 quickly back to the craft guide: how does one obtain the "tool"?
13:33 tenplus1 make a book, place book in crafting = crafting guide
13:34 tenplus1 someone opened a book, that's why it crashed
13:34 RobbieF Bahahaha, you have to CRAFT the CRAFTING GUIDE?!
13:34 RobbieF Bahahahahahahaaha
13:34 RobbieF really?
13:34 RobbieF okay... what do I do?
13:35 tenplus1 did you update engine to latest ?
13:36 tenplus1 book code looks old, might have to edit in the new one
13:36 tenplus1 or for now we can have it as an item only with no writing
13:37 RobbieF where's the book code? Can I update it?
13:37 RobbieF or is that part of core?
13:37 tenplus1 ah wait, seems that the default/craftitems.lua is already using latest book code
13:38 tenplus1 you MAY need to update engine to handle new commands
13:38 tenplus1 or disable book writing
13:38 tenplus1 your choice ?
13:38 RobbieF that's my thought...
13:38 RobbieF update engine
13:38 RobbieF crap
13:38 RobbieF lol
13:38 tenplus1 sucks huh
13:38 RobbieF just means taking a LOT of servers offline.
13:38 tenplus1 wanna disable book writing for now ?
13:38 RobbieF Not particularly.
13:38 RobbieF :(
13:39 RobbieF I think we'll just have to live with this bug for a day and I'll set some time aside on the weekend to rebuild... hopefully after-hours.
13:39 RobbieF Actually I have an idea...
13:39 tenplus1 ?
13:39 RobbieF I can rework my script to automatically rebuild the engine during tonight's backup.
13:39 RobbieF yeah; that'll do nicely.
13:39 tenplus1 ahh kewl :) just let players know NOT to use books in the meantime
13:40 RobbieF k thanks man
13:41 tenplus1 what version mt are you using on servver just now ? 0.4.15 stable ?
13:49 RobbieF 0.4.15-dev
13:49 tenplus1 heh
13:49 RobbieF but it hasn't been recompiled in a month or 6 weeks
13:50 tenplus1 so many changes
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14:02 tenplus1 hi Brackston
14:03 Brackston Hi tenplus1
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14:19 tenplus1 hi ben
14:20 benrob0329 Hi ten
14:23 benrob0329 Is it normal for an ungrounded laptop to make speaker noise when accessing the ssd?
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14:23 tenplus1 hi octacian
14:24 benrob0329 I'm assuming its because the speakers are probably the only roubt in a laptop for the ground
14:24 octacian hello tenplus1
14:24 benrob0329 Hi octacian
14:24 octacian hey benrob0329
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14:49 benrob0329 Dang ssl errors
14:50 benrob0329 (Offtopic) https://youtu.be/JiZOxUhQj10
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15:19 tenplus1 hi twoelk
15:20 twoelk hi
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15:21 tenplus1 hi Grandolf
15:22 Grandolf hi tenplus1
15:39 Fixer narrator in minecraft, kek
15:41 RobbieF tenplus1 if I didn't know any better I'd think you were enjoying yourself!
15:42 tenplus1 I wanna complete the task guides
15:42 tenplus1 then i can test further if you add anumore
15:43 RobbieF :D
15:43 RobbieF do you know how to make levels? :p
15:45 Jordach benrob0329, mmmmm MT-32
15:45 Jordach 8bitkeys made mention of it
15:46 tenplus1 not yet... will look into that when I complete it
15:46 benrob0329 Indeed @Jordach
15:47 benrob0329 I've got a midi capable keyboard that can be used eith ScumVM actually
15:47 twoelk hm, so while I update firefox minetest keeps timing out :-( seems this connection is not the best
15:47 twoelk midi control minetest?
15:48 Jordach problem is
15:48 Jordach minetest needs a better music system than ogg
15:49 Jordach *cough, modtracker, cough midi*
15:49 twoelk now if we let notes be interpretted as movement - an avatar might dance to some music
15:53 benrob0329 Welp, everything works out of the box on this laptop
15:53 benrob0329 And I'm pretty happy with Antergos
15:53 tenplus1 RobbieF: completed!!!!
15:54 benrob0329 Even have all my files encrypted on install :P
15:55 tenplus1 mod/x3m support....  files are tiny, editors are plenty, it's easy to make music and servers would benefit from tunage :)
15:55 RobbieF tenplus1 WE NEED MORE LEVELS!!!! Please help!  :)
15:55 RobbieF We need 20 levels
15:56 tenplus1 lol
15:56 RobbieF I'm not joking
15:56 RobbieF if you know how, I will love you forever when I get that PR  :D
15:56 RobbieF hehe
15:56 RobbieF I already do. But still!
15:57 tenplus1 we get given mese and diamond as a reward so level4 could be placing 4x diamond blocks, 4x mese blocks, 4x copper blocks, etc... high end stuff for good rewards
15:59 * twoelk wonders what game this is
16:01 Sokomine oh. where's that pr about the dye chages? it used to be a problem before to get enough of them. now...
16:02 tenplus1 twoelk: TPS SkyBlock
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16:14 benrob0329 Mobile irc clients are...interesting
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16:22 tenplus1 hi Krock
16:22 Krock hello tenplus1
16:22 Krock I could've been faster. Started too late with typing :<
16:22 tenplus1 heh
16:23 twoelk hm, my client seems to have frozen on connect attempt
16:24 twoelk how much media does tps-skyblock send?
16:25 RobbieF Could you all please give a "Thumbs Up" to this video to help Xanadu get featured? We only need 40 more likes! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaSYynSxAuY
16:25 twoelk can new players connect to Xanadu again?
16:26 tenplus1 wait, will open border
16:26 tenplus1 done
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16:29 twoelk sounds like Xanadu has a Trump mod. :-P
16:29 tenplus1 ehehe
16:32 tenplus1 gives us a choice when server under attack from trolls
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16:33 twoelk like Trump has when under attack from foreign muslims :O
16:35 red-004[IRC] does someone have an example of how to use add_particle?
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16:46 Krock red-001, one example: https://github.com/stujones11/sho​oter/blob/master/shooter.lua#L265
16:47 red-001 thanks
16:47 sofar github search is useless :(
16:47 sofar there's no way to search all code under /minetest-mods
16:53 Krock if you are a real minetester, you can grep through mods/ and games/ and get at least 666 results
16:55 tenplus1 ehehe
16:59 red-001 ok nice I got particles working in csm
17:02 Grandolf lol
17:04 red-001 now time to add particlespanwers
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17:16 * Jordach gets gud at Battlefield 1
17:18 * tenplus1 blows up Jordach
17:19 nanovad Jordach: https://media.giphy.com/media/​3o6ZtdtckQKDQWAet2/source.gif
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17:36 * Sokomine takes the tnt away from tenplus1
17:37 Fixer Krock: hi, I need a msvc debug build again, newest, to investigate fps drop bug
17:37 Krock ok
17:37 tenplus1 :P
17:37 * tenplus1 feels that moreores should be included in mtg by default
17:38 Krock pull...
17:38 Krock building...
17:38 Fixer that will help
17:38 Fixer will profile during OK fps, and NOT OK, will see what is different
17:39 Krock Fixer, are debug builds playable on your machine?
17:39 Fixer Krock: yes
17:39 Krock in other words: how many fps do you get in average?
17:39 Fixer above 20 iirc, maybe even  above 60
17:40 Krock wow. must be a strong CPU
17:40 tenplus1 am getting better fps now that I'm on lubuntu 17.04
17:40 Krock Fixer, using LuaJIT or doesn't matter?
17:41 Fixer Krock: does not matter, i connect to mp server
17:41 VanessaE tenplus1: you'll need to convince paramat and to a lesser extent, sofar
17:41 VanessaE (about moreores)
17:41 Fixer why do you need moreores?
17:42 tenplus1 most servers alrady have them installed... it adds variety to the game while underground (it's kinda bland down there)
17:42 Fixer what you gonna do with ores?
17:42 Fixer so you mine them... and?
17:42 Fixer add another X sets of tools, to make it even more confusing?
17:42 tenplus1 moreores already adds tools for each ore...  3d_armor already adds armor for each armor... many uses
17:43 tenplus1 not confusing, more variety...
17:43 sofar more tools is a problem
17:43 Fixer tenplus1: but then you need to redefine tools properties
17:43 sofar there are too many tools around anyway
17:43 VanessaE fuck the tools
17:43 Fixer yes, too many tools
17:43 VanessaE mt_game doesn't need that
17:43 VanessaE just the base ores
17:44 Fixer tenplus1: i see it differently, when mtg will have automation going in -> employ moreores
17:44 Fixer moreores will be good for automation machines
17:44 Fixer sofar: what is special about bronze tools?
17:45 tenplus1 ? I like the moreore tools, they give different stats and uses
17:45 Fixer only user I seen with bronze was maikerumine
17:45 Fixer let me look into code
17:45 Fixer tenplus1: we already have wood/stone/steel/diamond/mese tools, Karl
17:46 Fixer and bronzew
17:46 Fixer ---- ----
17:46 Fixer 6 sets of tools
17:46 Fixer yet no ------- coloured clay for me & kids
17:47 tenplus1 I like having copper+tin = bronze... I like using silver for special items (mob killing tools) and having mithril super rare for special items also
17:47 tenplus1 bakedclay is there for use, even adds 4 new plants for dye's not in game
17:47 Fixer tenplus1: you will end up with like 10 sets of tools and everyone is just confused
17:47 Fixer also
17:47 Fixer mithril
17:47 Fixer i had mithril tool and was WTF???
17:47 Fixer it was kinda useless
17:48 Fixer also
17:48 Fixer Sokomine:
17:48 tenplus1 kids quickly learn which tools are good, which are faster/ longer lasting etc
17:52 Fixer tenplus1: still, 10 sets of tools is lame
17:52 Fixer tenplus1: when you don't even have ambience, mobs, etc etc
17:52 Fixer automations
17:52 tenplus1 ambiance should stay separate because it can be tailored per server for specific sounds
17:53 Krock Stupid upload connection. Aborts randomly. got to upload everything over FTP now <.<
17:53 Fixer Krock: FTP is life
17:53 Krock and dropbox is shit
17:53 Fixer Krock: your ISP is probably run by nuzies
17:53 Krock > 8.0 KiB/s
17:54 Fixer yep
17:54 tenplus1 nuzies ???
17:54 Krock beaten by 90's modem
17:54 Fixer third reich regime
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17:54 tenplus1 wb ben
17:55 * tenplus1 used to have an ftp server running at 56kb/s
17:57 Krock Fixer, build most likely uploaded in a minute
17:57 * Sokomine wants to advertise for https://github.com/minetest​/minetest_game/issues/1679
17:57 Fixer Krock: no need to rush
17:57 Fixer Sokomine: i wonder if it is your mod that has anvil with repair hammer...
17:58 Krock Fixer, http://krock-works.16mb.com/u/mi​netest_debug_170331_cc1ff26_0.7z  (debug database included, for the case)
17:58 Fixer 14mb?
17:58 Amaz Sokomine: That would be awesome :) Fields full of that would really make MT beautiful :)
17:58 tenplus1 interesting
17:58 Krock yes
17:58 Krock 123 MiB unzipped
17:59 * Fixer tries to understand             crumbly={maxlevel=2, uses=20, times={[1]=1.60, [2]=1.20, [3]=0.80}}
17:59 Krock ^ a riddle for everybody
18:00 Sokomine Fixer: hmm. yes. i was first oppsed to adding baked clay into mtg, but i'd like to change my mind. it's just too nice. there needs to be a better way of getting clay, too. it's also useful for brick. brick houses are rare due to the rarity of clay (which is very unrealistic)
18:00 * tenplus1 offers his mod for use
18:00 Sokomine moreorees ought to be installed on any server, even if the tools are usually less intresting. it's just good to have a bit more ores
18:00 Fixer Sokomine: anvil and hammer is your mod?
18:00 Fixer Krock: wth with this debug assertion crap?
18:01 Krock Fixer, déjà vu
18:01 Krock just ignore
18:01 Thomas-S May I ask, why, when "sudo make install"ing minetest, new files are installed but deleted ones aren't deleted in /usr/local/share/minetest ?
18:02 Sokomine fixer: it does. comes from cottages. also has a handmill and a thresing floor
18:02 Sokomine Amaz: they're very nice in rl :-) great to drive through/alongside them, with the fields stretching up to the forrest
18:02 Fixer Sokomine: i'm thinking about opening an issue about that, why? Anvil and hammer has too easy receipe, instead I want it to be full steel blocks for everything
18:03 Fixer Sokomine: right now it is too cheaty and easy
18:03 * Sokomine looks innocently at fixer
18:03 Fixer Krock: 70 fps in desert right now
18:04 Fixer after generation is done
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18:04 Sokomine admittedly, making it full steel blocks is a valid argument....
18:04 Krock neat. almost reaching 5 fps here
18:04 Sokomine the tools are powerful after all
18:04 Fixer 80 fps when looking at sky
18:04 Sokomine oh? my phone gets more than 5 fps? how comes, krock?
18:05 Krock Sokomine, speaking of debug builds without optimizations
18:05 Krock the regular, release build hits 60 fps here aswell
18:05 Sokomine krock: aah. ok
18:06 Sokomine btw, the issue with client-side mods (oredetect) and server crash has - according to the server owner - only happend on a windows build. on a machine where he can't run debug. on a linux build, no crash happend
18:06 Sokomine sadly, that is few information
18:07 Fixer Krock: about 80fps when idle in desert ._.
18:07 Sokomine fixer: it's even possible to fix the hammer with another hammer. on some worlds that's very useful. adventuretest is very hardcore...very very tricky to get hammer and anvil working there as even melting ore ingots is something you've got to learn
18:07 Amaz Yes, they are. I'm currently looking at a field from the window next to my desk now :) Having them in MT would be wonderful!
18:07 Sokomine on almost all other worlds, iron is not so tricky to come by
18:07 Fixer Sokomine: i propose disabling that
18:08 tenplus1 how about removing the (tool + tool = better tool) recipe and have (tool + tool ingot) = better tool
18:08 Krock why not both?
18:09 tenplus1 https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/ima​ge/upload/s--DcGR4ovY--/c_fit,fl_progres​sive,q_80,w_320/1238895886504840879.jpg
18:10 Sokomine tenplus1: that receipe would make more sense, yes
18:11 tenplus1 that way you can add ingots to repair the tool rather than wasting another tool
18:12 tenplus1 it's the little things that make the game better :)
18:16 Fixer Sokomine: https://github.com/Sokomine/cottages/issues/5
18:31 Sokomine fixer: hmm. you've definitely got a point there. maybe i ought to make it at lest configurable
18:51 Thomas-S I "created" a mod that replaces the existing nyan cats with MooGNUs. You can find it here: https://github.com/Thomas--S/moognu Thanks to tenplus1 for the textures!
18:52 tenplus1 :P
18:53 Sokomine there ought to be more such creatures populating the sky :-) vanessaes dog, a tux, an oerkki, ...
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19:08 red-001 did someone create make a mod that creates more then 65,536 particle spawners or something?
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19:31 Fixer Krock: thanks for debug build, that will help
19:31 Krock np
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19:42 Fixer i will continue "bisecting" the bug /not quite bisecting/
19:43 Fixer i feel like that bug is quite recent, and have few suspects
19:44 Fixer still waiting for this to finally turn to dirt: https://i.imgur.com/5lDCQZk.png
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22:30 Fixer https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/7352626​/24570991/9fc81536-167f-11e7-9011-aedfe417bacd.png
22:33 Calinou Minetest 3-D
22:36 Jordach looks like wolfenstien
22:37 Fixer Minetest: Back to the Roots
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22:55 garywhite Guys is it possible to save builds from a server to a client?
22:56 Calinou garywhite: yes, using local map saving, you can save explored areas to a local world
22:57 garywhite How do I do that? My friend's server is going to have a map reset and me along with a couple players wanna save builds
22:58 OldCoder garywhite, it is a simple setting
22:58 OldCoder Moment
22:58 OldCoder enable_local_map_saving = true
22:58 OldCoder Remember to turn that off, garywhite, when done
22:59 OldCoder It goes in your client-side minetest.conf file
22:59 OldCoder Will fill up disk if you forget to turn it off
22:59 OldCoder You can also send me the map.sqlite file and I can extract builds for you
23:01 garywhite I don't have the SQLite, DI3 has it
23:01 OldCoder Grandolf, rubenwardy said his final term papers, I think, were due today
23:01 OldCoder He is fine
23:01 OldCoder garywhite, you can just add that setting, then
23:01 OldCoder enable_local_map_saving = true
23:01 OldCoder Put that in your minetest.conf file, then visit your builds
23:02 OldCoder Go to both the basement and the roof
23:02 OldCoder Then look in your minetest worlds folder
23:02 garywhite where is the conf file in the directory?
23:02 OldCoder Remember to restart minetest after making the configure change
23:02 OldCoder Are you using Windows or Linux?
23:02 garywhite windows 64
23:03 OldCoder You have a minetest folder, right?
23:03 garywhite yeah
23:03 OldCoder There should already be a minetest.conf file in it
23:03 OldCoder At the top
23:03 OldCoder Is there?
23:03 OldCoder If not, just download my win64 build and I'll talk you through this
23:04 OldCoder https://minetest.org/minetest-win64.zip
23:04 garywhite The file is there, but it has none
23:04 OldCoder You mean, the file is empty?
23:04 OldCoder garywhite, ^
23:04 garywhite It has basic stuff
23:04 OldCoder That is fine
23:04 OldCoder Add the line that I stated at the bottom
23:04 OldCoder Save the file. Indicate when you are done.
23:05 OldCoder enable_local_map_saving = true
23:06 OldCoder Grandolf, I saw your message later, but I was asleep. PM later if you like.
23:06 garywhite done
23:06 OldCoder garywhite, restart minetest and visit the world
23:06 OldCoder Go visit your build(s). Need not be all at once. Just go in and take a look.
23:06 OldCoder Tell me when there
23:06 garywhite already logging in
23:07 garywhite logged in
23:07 OldCoder Go to build. There?
23:08 garywhite yeah, I just walked up through my parking garage
23:08 garywhite as a test
23:08 OldCoder garywhite, look in your minetest folder. Do you see a worlds folder?
23:09 garywhite yeah
23:09 OldCoder Look in that folder. What do you see?
23:09 garywhite A world called MTL
23:09 garywhite Which I created before
23:09 OldCoder Exit Minetest
23:09 OldCoder Tell me if you see any other subfolder after
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23:10 garywhite Nope
23:11 OldCoder Minute while I try this myself
23:11 OldCoder Loading
23:12 OldCoder Works for me
23:12 OldCoder garywhite, wish to try my client?
23:12 OldCoder Or first
23:12 Fixer no
23:12 OldCoder can you paste exactly the line that you added?
23:12 Fixer you will not see captured world
23:12 OldCoder I see it
23:12 OldCoder I just tried it
23:12 Fixer let me stop both of you
23:12 OldCoder Um?
23:13 OldCoder I just tried it. It works.
23:13 garywhite I'm trying your client
23:13 OldCoder Fixer, feel free to explain
23:13 Fixer after world is captured it is saved as worlds/IPofServer, then you need to add files to it like world.mt to see it in minetest
23:13 OldCoder Yes
23:14 OldCoder But that is not what he is missing
23:14 Fixer map_meta.txt too
23:14 OldCoder We had not gotten to that stage
23:14 OldCoder garywhite, you looked physically in the worlds folder?
23:14 OldCoder Or just on the worlds tab?
23:14 garywhite Yeah, I went into the worlds folder of the directory
23:14 OldCoder Fixer is pointing out you will not see world on worlds tab
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23:14 OldCoder Right, so something else is wrong
23:14 OldCoder garywhite, here is the minetest.conf file I used
23:14 Fixer yes, you need to check outside of minetest
23:14 garywhite What do I need to change in the conf file? (I'm using your build)
23:15 Fixer enable_local_map_saving = true
23:15 OldCoder http://minetest.org/minetest.conf
23:15 OldCoder Just add what Fixer said
23:15 OldCoder Copy paste
23:15 OldCoder If DI3 world does not appear, next test will be for Moontest. I just tested using that.
23:15 OldCoder If you are not certain of the paste
23:15 OldCoder you can use
23:15 OldCoder http://minetest.org/minetest.conf
23:16 garywhite your build doesn't even have MTgame
23:16 OldCoder ??
23:16 OldCoder Moment
23:16 OldCoder My build has everything
23:16 OldCoder What folder are you in?
23:16 Fixer garywhite: you are capturing online world, or localhost one? %)
23:16 OldCoder Online
23:16 OldCoder A DI3 world
23:17 garywhite I'm in the client, & only minimal development shows up
23:17 OldCoder That looks correct; I'll fix it later
23:17 OldCoder Right now you just
23:17 OldCoder want capture to work
23:17 OldCoder Did you modify minetest.conf ?
23:17 garywhite Yeah, before I started the game
23:17 OldCoder Fine, you started this copy and are in the DI3 world ?
23:18 garywhite about to
23:18 OldCoder I just tested this exact program (well, the 32-bit version) using Moontest
23:18 OldCoder World was captured to server_minetest.org_30021
23:18 OldCoder In the worlds folder
23:18 OldCoder garywhite, visit DI3 world, exit Minetest, check the worlds folder, report
23:19 garywhite it's already in my worlds folder before I even joined
23:19 OldCoder What is?
23:19 garywhite The world folder
23:19 OldCoder What is *IN* the worlds folder?
23:19 garywhite a folder with the server address
23:19 garywhite as the name
23:19 OldCoder Something is wrong
23:19 OldCoder Are you mixing up
23:20 OldCoder the two copies of Minetest?
23:20 garywhite no, I'm using your build
23:20 OldCoder There was no world copy in the copy that you downloaded
23:20 OldCoder Do you follow?
23:20 OldCoder So, how did it get there? :-)
23:20 OldCoder Best to nail this down
23:20 OldCoder Have you mixed up the two copies of Minetest?
23:20 garywhite It was there almost as soon as I clicked connect
23:21 OldCoder Well THAT is expected
23:21 OldCoder So all is well
23:21 OldCoder Go visit your buildings
23:21 OldCoder Mapblocks are 16x16x16 so you don't need to be too precise
23:21 OldCoder Just wander about the properties you care about
23:21 OldCoder Including basements and roofs
23:22 OldCoder Fixer may need to sleep soon
23:22 Fixer yep
23:22 OldCoder Fixer, can you outline the process of getting the world fully into the GUI?
23:22 OldCoder I do this from the CLI only
23:22 Fixer it should be easy iirc
23:23 OldCoder He is missing minetest_game in that copy, easy to correct
23:23 OldCoder Basically, he can unpack any subgame in the games folder
23:23 Fixer he can download it from github
23:23 OldCoder Where do mods go?
23:23 Fixer worlds/CapturedWORLD/worldmods
23:24 OldCoder https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game
23:24 OldCoder garywhite, that has a minetest_game ZIP
23:24 OldCoder and in the world you create a folder named worldmods
23:24 OldCoder and put any extra mods there
23:24 garywhite ok
23:24 OldCoder You must also ask DI3* for the map meta file
23:24 OldCoder If he will not provide it, you can create one to turn off mapgen
23:24 OldCoder Or you can accept territory breaks
23:24 OldCoder Fixer, one more question
23:25 Fixer into captured world folder add world.mt file with this https://pastebin.com/raw/epcgpTfK
23:25 OldCoder R
23:25 OldCoder OK
23:25 Fixer only thing i don't remember is map_meta.txt
23:25 OldCoder Fixer, he does not need to turn off map saving...
23:25 OldCoder moment
23:26 OldCoder Hm, he should turn off mapgen for now, shouldn't he?
23:26 OldCoder If he visits local copy
23:26 OldCoder then goes back to DI3
23:26 OldCoder which will take precedence?
23:26 garywhite probably, cause I want to check the build
23:26 OldCoder Let's try this
23:26 OldCoder garywhite, exit Minetest
23:27 OldCoder Then make a copy of the new folder named
23:27 OldCoder whitenightingodssight
23:27 OldCoder or whatever you wish
23:27 OldCoder Then we will make a working world out of the *copy*
23:27 OldCoder that OK with you?
23:27 garywhite OK
23:28 OldCoder Copy server_di3hardanotherday_30011 or whatever
23:28 OldCoder to localworldname
23:28 garywhite So copy the folder to another folder?
23:29 OldCoder Right, this is just to be safe
23:29 OldCoder There is a folder named server_di3hardstarringbrucewillis
23:29 garywhite OK
23:29 Fixer also in world folder add map_meta.txt file with this https://pastebin.com/raw/mrB4YqGK (singlenode mapgen, you can also specify correct seed if you want just to remember it)
23:29 OldCoder copy that to fantastica
23:29 OldCoder mg_flags = caves, dungeons, light, decorations
23:29 OldCoder mg_name = singlenode
23:29 OldCoder seed = 4706874635870466451
23:29 OldCoder water_level = 1
23:29 OldCoder Right?
23:29 OldCoder Reviewing
23:29 OldCoder close enough
23:29 garywhite Oh, I need the world seed?
23:30 Fixer yep
23:30 OldCoder No
23:30 OldCoder Not if you
23:30 OldCoder turn off mapgen
23:30 OldCoder Just use this for now:
23:30 Fixer in singlenode you don't need
23:30 OldCoder mg_flags = caves, dungeons, light, decorations
23:30 OldCoder mg_name = singlenode
23:30 OldCoder water_level = 1
23:30 OldCoder Three lines
23:30 OldCoder
23:30 OldCoder Copied the folder yet?
23:30 garywhite Yeah, I copied it to the mt parent dir
23:30 OldCoder Hm, no
23:31 OldCoder put it in the worlds folder
23:31 OldCoder So you have Worlds\Fantastica
23:31 OldCoder And
23:31 OldCoder Worlds\server_Di3somename
23:31 garywhite OK, what am I supposed to call it?
23:31 OldCoder both
23:31 OldCoder Fantastica or Bacon or GaryWhite
23:31 OldCoder Whatever you wish
23:31 OldCoder LandOfDreams
23:31 garywhite OK, it's server_DI3
23:32 OldCoder But a new name?
23:32 OldCoder Call it DI3 please
23:32 OldCoder Rename to DI3
23:32 OldCoder Now you have two folders, DI3 and server_Di3something_30000
23:32 OldCoder right?
23:32 garywhite the copied folder is server_DI3, the original is still the hostname
23:33 OldCoder Fine, might be safer to rename it to DI3 ?
23:33 OldCoder But as you wish
23:33 OldCoder In the new folder, put a file named map_meta.txt
23:33 garywhite ok, it's DI3
23:33 OldCoder with the underscore
23:33 OldCoder OK
23:33 OldCoder In the new folder, put a file named map_meta.txt
23:33 OldCoder with the underscore
23:33 OldCoder <OldCoder> mg_flags = caves, dungeons, light, decorations
23:33 OldCoder <OldCoder> mg_name = singlenode
23:33 OldCoder <OldCoder> water_level = 1
23:33 OldCoder Those three lines without the <OldCoder> part
23:33 OldCoder mg_flags = caves, dungeons, light, decorations
23:33 OldCoder mg_name = singlenode
23:33 OldCoder water_level = 1
23:33 OldCoder Indicate when saved
23:34 OldCoder map_meta.txt
23:34 garywhite done
23:34 garywhite saved map_meta.txt to DI3
23:34 OldCoder Next, in that folder, put a file named world.mt
23:34 OldCoder containing what Fixer said...
23:34 OldCoder https://pastebin.com/raw/epcgpTfK
23:35 OldCoder gameid = minetest
23:35 OldCoder backend = sqlite3
23:35 OldCoder creative_mode = true
23:35 OldCoder enable_damage = false
23:35 OldCoder server_announce = false
23:35 OldCoder
23:35 OldCoder Fixer, if you are awake, what are minetest.conf settings doing there?
23:35 OldCoder Does world.mt support them?
23:35 OldCoder garywhite, indicate when done
23:35 garywhite saved world.mt
23:35 Fixer OldCoder: don't understand about settings
23:35 OldCoder Next...
23:36 OldCoder https://pastebin.com/raw/epcgpTfK
23:36 OldCoder In the file you provided, I see MT settings
23:36 OldCoder such as enable_damage = false
23:36 OldCoder Doesn't he need just the 1st two lines?
23:36 Fixer OldCoder: you can omit some of them
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23:36 OldCoder garywhite, make the file just say this:
23:36 OldCoder <OldCoder> gameid = minetest
23:36 OldCoder <OldCoder> backend = sqlite3
23:36 garywhite ok
23:36 OldCoder Fixer, should that be minetest? or minetest_game ?
23:37 garywhite done
23:37 OldCoder garywhite, go here:
23:37 OldCoder https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game
23:37 OldCoder Click clone or download, get the ZIP file
23:37 garywhite I already installed it to the games folder
23:37 OldCoder Fine
23:37 OldCoder Do you have any of DI3's mods?
23:37 OldCoder Or the ones needed, rather?
23:37 Fixer OldCoder: minetest
23:37 Fixer don't ask why
23:37 OldCoder And the folder should be called minetest_game ?
23:37 Fixer i also wondered about this naming
23:37 OldCoder And the folder should be called minetest_game ?
23:38 Fixer yes
23:38 garywhite no, it'd take me days to install them all. If I can just join & see it loaded, then I'll be happy
23:38 Fixer but it is not necessary i believe
23:38 OldCoder garywhite, try it
23:38 OldCoder can you see the world yet in the GUI?
23:38 garywhite yeah
23:38 OldCoder Fixer, he does not need to turn off capture for local worlds, right?
23:38 OldCoder garywhite, enter, then
23:38 OldCoder You must teleport
23:38 OldCoder to the right coordinates
23:38 Fixer OldCoder: no idea
23:38 OldCoder As the world will be mostly air
23:38 garywhite shoot, I gotta get the coords
23:38 OldCoder Grant yourself teleport
23:38 OldCoder OK
23:39 OldCoder Go back to other world
23:39 garywhite get the cords, then join world
23:39 OldCoder right
23:39 OldCoder then grant yourself teleport
23:39 OldCoder or just edit that into auth.txt
23:40 garywhite Um it's got a biome
23:40 OldCoder Go on, explain
23:40 OldCoder Is there a question? Which is "it" ?
23:40 garywhite I spawned in a dry grass biome
23:40 OldCoder In the *copy* ?
23:40 OldCoder Did you create map_meta.txt ?
23:41 OldCoder With the underscore?
23:41 garywhite yeah, hang on...it already copied bits...I tp'd to what I thought were cords & I see builds, but not what I copied
23:41 OldCoder Singlenode isn't turned on. But teleport to where your build was.
23:41 OldCoder ??
23:41 OldCoder You see buildings?
23:41 OldCoder Sure right coords?
23:41 garywhite Yeah, like it copied the whole world already
23:41 OldCoder This seems unlikely
23:42 OldCoder Are you sure connected to right game and mode?
23:42 garywhite wait, here's the build right behind me
23:42 OldCoder Ah
23:42 OldCoder How far afield did you wander?
23:42 garywhite Not very far, maybe about 30m from the build
23:42 OldCoder In the online copy?
23:42 garywhite Yeah
23:42 OldCoder Teleport far away
23:42 OldCoder to perhaps 1000,10,1000
23:42 garywhite It edited the builds into a world
23:43 OldCoder teleport to perhaps 1000,10,1000
23:43 OldCoder are you in air?
23:43 garywhite No, I'm over water and jungle trees
23:43 OldCoder I think you did map_meta.txt wrong
23:43 OldCoder Can you list exactly what is in the worlds folder DI3 ?
23:43 OldCoder Do you see a file named map_meta.txt
23:43 OldCoder OR
23:43 OldCoder is it really map_meta.txt.txt ?
23:44 garywhite The latter, I used the right-click > New > Text Document
23:44 OldCoder So, which is it?
23:44 garywhite It's .txt.txt
23:44 OldCoder Heh
23:44 OldCoder Rename it
23:44 garywhite I'll delete the .txt & replace it
23:44 OldCoder Or keep it
23:44 OldCoder And have a full world
23:44 OldCoder Anyway...
23:44 OldCoder Here is what to do
23:44 OldCoder Visit DI3 world online and cover as much territory as possible
23:45 OldCoder THEN
23:45 OldCoder Important!! Exit Minetest!!
23:45 OldCoder Do not be in Minetest
23:45 OldCoder Then copy map.sqlite from the server_ folder to DI3
23:45 OldCoder and you will have updated your working copy
23:45 OldCoder When you have enough copied
23:45 OldCoder Set map_meta as you wish
23:45 OldCoder And you will have a working full world
23:45 garywhite OK, I replaced the map_meta
23:45 OldCoder based on online copy
23:46 OldCoder Exit Minetest
23:46 OldCoder Copy the map.sqlite file
23:46 OldCoder Indicate when it is copied
23:46 OldCoder Important: Close Minetest before copy or file may be corrupted
23:47 garywhite I replaced the map_meta.txt with the correct copy, recopied the SQLite file with MT closed, and relaunched. It is now in singlenode
23:47 OldCoder And you see lots of air?
23:47 OldCoder Teleport to outside the areas you copied
23:47 OldCoder Just air now?
23:48 garywhite Yup, but the chunks are much larger, it copied more than you think
23:48 OldCoder It is fine
23:48 OldCoder u r good 2 go
23:48 OldCoder What you do is
23:48 OldCoder Keep capturing more of DI3 world until you are satisfied
23:48 OldCoder Then shut down MT and copy the map.sqlite file again
23:48 OldCoder Then delete the map_meta.txt file
23:49 OldCoder Or change it as you wish
23:49 OldCoder Add a worldmods folder with any mods needed
23:49 OldCoder Launch and you will have a full working world
23:49 OldCoder With your city at the heart of it
23:49 OldCoder
23:49 OldCoder garywhite, is this satisfactory?
23:49 garywhite yeah, thanks
23:49 OldCoder When you delete the map_meta.txt file generation will start
23:50 OldCoder and you will be divorced
23:50 OldCoder irrevocably
23:50 OldCoder from the parent world once you start to build on the new one
23:50 OldCoder Got all that?
23:50 OldCoder Go back and visit the old world until happy
23:50 OldCoder Oh, and remember to turn off that setting when you don't need it
23:50 OldCoder Or you will capture everything everywhere!
23:51 garywhite Yeah, but the last part I don't understand. Basically once I delete map_meta from the folder, then the map copy is final
23:51 OldCoder Moment
23:51 OldCoder You will eventually do this (perhaps as soon as tomorrow):
23:51 OldCoder <garywhite> I m dun copying
23:51 OldCoder Shut down minetest
23:51 OldCoder Copy map.sqlite file again
23:51 OldCoder Delete map_meta.txt
23:51 OldCoder Restart minetest
23:51 OldCoder Go to local world
23:52 OldCoder Behold complete empty world that has your city at the heart
23:52 OldCoder Determine coords and settings you wish
23:52 OldCoder Create new minetest.conf
23:52 OldCoder Add mods as needed
23:52 OldCoder Done
23:52 OldCoder
23:52 OldCoder Does that help?
23:52 garywhite Yeah, thanks
23:52 OldCoder Time for this Old Coder to go on a break or he will break
23:52 OldCoder garywhite, Fixer is probably sleep deep, but he seems willing to help
23:53 OldCoder and you can find me in several channels
23:53 Fixer yes, I go sleep now :)
23:53 OldCoder Let us know if more is needed after you proceeded and we will take heeded
23:53 OldCoder Good night
23:53 garywhite night
23:53 * OldCoder will be back in 1 to 3 hours
23:53 OldCoder
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