Time  Nick             Message
00:07 OldCoder         ?
00:24 kaeza            wrong order of arguments?
00:33 OldCoder         Hm. I don't see a need to block unlogged in users as they can't speak anyway.
02:39 benrob0329       There
02:39 benrob0329       The right usernane this time
03:10 benrob0329       Anyone have a linux laptop to reccomend?
03:14 sofar            would be an ethics violation if I did
03:14 sofar            BUY INTEL
03:14 sofar            oh wait I'm not in politics
03:15 sofar            am I crazy or did minetest worldedit have a %ratio type block modifier syntax that I no longer can find?
03:16 benrob0329       ofc id buy intel
03:16 benrob0329       Intel is love, Intel is life
03:17 VanessaE         I'm using AMD here but I might consider Intel next time around.
03:17 benrob0329       Intel chipsets are, simply put better
03:18 benrob0329       they run cooler and are often more developed
03:18 VanessaE         one thing's for sure, I'll put a high priority on RAM speed.
03:18 VanessaE         that has a much larger effect on MT speed than you'd expect
03:18 benrob0329       however, AMD Ryzen could change that
03:18 benrob0329       maybe
03:19 benrob0329       im looking at https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Touchscreen-Bluetooth-RealSense-10-MaxxAudio/dp/B01EXQHRMK/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1490756575&sr=1-2&refinements=p_n_size_browse-bin%3A2423840011%7C2423841011%7C3545275011%2Cp_n_graphics_type_browse-bin%3A14292274011%2Cp_n_feature_seven_browse-bin%3A3012496011%2Cp_72%3A1248879011
03:19 benrob0329       dang that became a long url
03:20 kaeza            sofar, //mtschemprob ?
03:37 OldCoder         <benrob0329> Anyone have a linux laptop to reccomend?
03:37 OldCoder         Any good laptop plus Linux Mint 18
03:37 OldCoder         <sofar> oh wait I'm not in politics
03:37 OldCoder         You are here, aren't you?
03:38 sofar            don't politicize technology!
03:39 OldCoder         Good luck with that
03:45 Sokomine         i love the (old!) thinkpads. they used to have a very good keyboard
03:45 sofar            my first-gen thinkpad x1 is still very nice
03:53 Sokomine         for some operation, an ssd might also give a speedup regarding start of mt and savetolocalmap
06:08 paramat          ~tell tenplus1 i remember you found a bug, something to do with mob static data? please could you open an issue with details so we can fix this?
06:08 ShadowBot        paramat: O.K.
06:09 OldCoder         http://minetest.org/ theme updated, contributions of links etc. welcome, still fixing HTML and CSS glitches
06:31 kaeza            those puppy souns are really annoying :/
06:31 kaeza            +d
06:34 benrob0329       Sofar couldnt you just make a bunch of faces for your itemframe mod?
06:34 benrob0329       To give things pop
06:37 VanessaE         that's what armor mod does for flat items.
06:37 VanessaE         they're 10 or 20 simple, flat faces, stacked and closely spaced.
06:38 VanessaE         (the shield too, I think)
06:38 VanessaE         er, I mean the wield-3d component of that mod, to be specific.
06:53 sofar            benrob0329: make a head mod to make heads nodes, make it depend on itemframe, use the frame register function?
06:53 sofar            why would I have to do everything? :P
06:53 * sofar          goes to bed
06:54 VanessaE         no sleep for you
06:57 benrob0329       My client crashed :-(
07:03 red-004          great we are agruing over sneak, while other people are rewriting all of mt in another engine
07:07 OldCoder         Link?
07:07 OldCoder         red-004, are you able to provide a link and will you do so?
07:25 red-004          <Fixer> [00:24:01] https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=17113 kek or not?
07:25 red-004          <Fixer> [00:25:04] someone rewrites minetest client with Urhosharp game engine
07:29 OldCoder         Thank you
07:29 OldCoder         Reviewing
07:30 OldCoder         "cheap chinese tablets" :-)
07:32 OldCoder         That isn't all of MT. It appears to be just a closed-source version of the client.
07:34 nrzkt            okay he wants to promote his product which is not MT
07:35 nrzkt            and without having all MT engine possibilities, it's normal to run on low devices easily
08:32 celeron55        clients like that are going to be a pain to maintain once MT starts using client-side lua but i guess at the moment those are still feasible
08:40 sfan5            celeron55: it's already going to be a pain when those clients pretend to be 0.4.15-dev but only implement 25% of the features
08:40 tenplus1         hi peeps
08:44 celeron55        sfan5: is this happening with the existing ripoffs and other crap?
08:44 tenplus1         hi celeron55
08:45 sfan5            nope because those are just ports
08:45 tenplus1         hi sfan
08:46 sfan5            it was more of a "potential future problem for that client in particual"
08:47 Amaz             Morning 11 :)
08:47 tenplus1         hi amaz
08:48 tenplus1         anything new happenign today ?
08:48 Amaz             Not really :)
08:48 * tenplus1       settles in for a quiet morning :P
08:49 tenplus1         I updated Xanadu last night and made a PBJ_Pup (Redo) mod... ehehe, keeps original Nyan and randomly spawns one of the other in world (removed those sounds tho)
08:53 tenplus1         speaking of which, devs... would it be possible to override server sounds like we can with texture packs ? so it favours local sound sets without the need to load media from a server ???
08:57 tenplus1         hi nrz
09:02 nerzhul          hi tenplus1
09:04 tenplus1         celeron55: in the mt code it looked like player collision/sneak etc is handled by getting the node under foot every tick... is there any way to store this in the player table for mods to access ?
09:06 celeron55        it's client side, so not very easily
09:07 tenplus1         ahh...  was wondering since many mods have to check nodes under player, at foot and head level to do specific things... would be great if engine would do this superfast in c+ code for us to access
09:52 OldCoder         celeron55, shangul, who will come here shortly
09:52 OldCoder         Hi
09:52 OldCoder         celeron55, shangul wishes to know why Wikipedia hates Minetest
09:53 OldCoder         and also how to get a wiki account at the MT wiki
09:53 OldCoder         tenplus1, rubenwardy, lordfingle, TommyTreasure ^
09:53 OldCoder         shangul, wait a few minutes and see if these people respond
09:54 OldCoder         Hm, lost him
09:55 OldCoder         shangul, you have temporary voice. For permanent voice, must register nick.
09:55 OldCoder         Hello
09:55 TommyTreasure
09:55 OldCoder         I pinged several people.They may respond in the next few hours.
09:55 OldCoder         TommyTreasure, how about you? But you are new
09:55 OldCoder         You might not know
09:55 shangul          OldCoder, register nick in freenode?
09:55 tenplus1         hi sha
09:55 OldCoder         Yes
09:55 tenplus1         hi shangult
09:55 shangul          hi all
09:55 OldCoder         About 15% are awake
09:55 tenplus1         o.O ok my keyboard is being flakey today :P
09:55 TommyTreasure    too new to know much of anything.  :)
09:55 OldCoder         OK
09:56 OldCoder         tenplus1, how about you?
09:57 tenplus1         I've had coffee, just keyboard issues :D
10:04 OldCoder
10:04 OldCoder         tenplus1, I mean, know about Wikipedia and the MT wiki?
10:05 tenplus1         I've never been on mt wiki... ahve always gotten my info from forum and lua_api.txt
10:06 OldCoder         Do you recall why WP hates MT?
10:06 tenplus1         no idea, sorry
10:06 tenplus1         did you try asking any of the devs ?
10:08 OldCoder         I will let shangul do so
10:16 lordfingle       I like the MT wiki. Just sayin.
10:16 tenplus1         hi lumidify
10:17 OldCoder         Still, I can't remember why MT is locked at WP
10:17 lumidify         Hi tenplus1
10:17 lordfingle       WP said that there wasn't enough people using MT or something
10:17 lordfingle       afk
10:30 Amaz             OldCoder: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12721&hilit=wikipedia
10:30 Amaz             May have some info that will shed some light on the matter
11:28 tenplus1         hi benrob
11:39 tenplus1         hi twoelk and Jordach
11:39 twoelk           hi
11:40 tenplus1         for anyone using it, Mobs Redo API has been updated with better pathfinding level 2 additions (breaking walls and building up to get to player)
11:41 twoelk           oh no! castles aren't safe anymore? where do I hide now?
11:42 tenplus1         lol, the DO respect protected areas and cannot break through {unbreakable=1 or level = 2} nodes
11:45 twoelk           with the bad guys getting better, is there anything usefull for the player for the good mobs or npc's
11:46 tenplus1         moreores was updated with better levels on mithril tools :)
11:46 tenplus1         3d_armor has had a makeover also
11:47 twoelk           no I mean watchdogs, rat hunting cats, guards, soldiers, helpfull npc's. Like I give them food/wages and they protect my stuff
11:48 twoelk           hm, sounds like tamed npc's
11:48 tenplus1         yeah, tamed npc's do just that :)
11:49 tenplus1         and on xanadu you can tame wolves into dogs and they follow you around protecting you too
11:49 twoelk           the monsters are always getting better and the peacefull mobs just stay dumb
11:50 tenplus1         I kinda wish LBM's had a neighbors setting like ABM's do... then i could have animals spawn with mapgen so they are rare and need to be collected/bred...
11:51 twoelk           maybe dogs and the like could recognize protected areas of the owner and stay inside, patroling the area
11:52 tenplus1         was thinking that....  for now you can right click an npc and it follows or stays...  maybe I could add "wander" so it does just that, but stays within limits
11:53 twoelk           hehe, I could imagine spawnpolice enforcing peace near spawn
11:53 tenplus1         that'd be kewl... I have Iron Golems to do just that :) they hit hard and take no flack!
11:54 twoelk           no killing at spawn or meet my fist
11:54 twoelk           it was fun to see the villagers in adventuretest defend their villages against mobs
11:55 twoelk           at one time they would pile up on spiders
11:55 tenplus1         heh... slow but sure we're getting better things for adventure maps
11:55 Jordach          meow
11:55 tenplus1         pmobs has ninja's that throw shuriken at players, those would be amazing
11:55 tenplus1         hi Jordach
11:56 Jordach          tenplus1, i rewrote beds and improved it
11:56 tenplus1         ooh, what ya do ?
11:57 Jordach          http://i.imgur.com/5TMDkjg.png
11:57 Jordach          http://i.imgur.com/A1efilx.png
11:57 Jordach          the bed changes shape when in use
11:57 twoelk           hm, beds of sentient pearwood could follow the player around on hundreds of little feet and be very protective of the players rest
11:58 tenplus1         ahahah nice one twoelk
11:58 tenplus1         I like the bed model and head inside the bed... does it use normal textures or just your mirror ones?
11:58 Jordach          normal meshnode
11:58 twoelk           maybe dogs could stay protective of a players old bones
11:59 tenplus1         hrm, will look into that one, sounds a good idea...
11:59 tenplus1         like Greyfriar's Bobby
11:59 tenplus1         hi RobbieF
12:00 RobbieF          tenplus1, hey buddy.
12:00 RobbieF          Good to see you.
12:00 tenplus1         Mobs API updated today with better pathfinding level2 features (breaking walls, building up to pl;ayer etc, and respects protection0
12:00 RobbieF          NICE!
12:01 RobbieF          what do you mean "respects protection"?
12:01 tenplus1         if a build is protected then level2 mobs wont break walls or build on it
12:02 Jordach          weak
12:02 RobbieF          will they spawn in it?
12:02 RobbieF          ie, if I protect a cave, creatures will still spawn, correct?
12:02 tenplus1         if spawn protection is on then no, they never spawn inside protected areas
12:02 RobbieF          can that be disabled with a setting?
12:02 tenplus1         that's a separate feature, yes :D
12:03 RobbieF          or by default can it be disabled?
12:03 RobbieF          that should be something people "enable" IMO
12:03 RobbieF          because that causes big problems
12:03 tenplus1         by default monsters and mobs will spawn where they are meant to
12:03 RobbieF          I'm thinking of how BaldNerd protected the entire dome on the last episode of The Pixel Shadow. Well, that should *not* turn off mob spawning  :D
12:04 tenplus1         you need to add the "mobs_spawn_protected = 0" flag to stop that
12:04 RobbieF          that's good tenplus1. So updating won't change anything and the protection update needs to be enabled if desired.
12:04 tenplus1         it wont :) not unless you add that flag to .conf file
12:04 RobbieF          GREAT!
12:04 RobbieF          Thanks man!
12:04 RobbieF          Good man. You do things right. I like that.
12:04 tenplus1         yeah, all mobs will be normal, you need to add the "pathfinding = 2," to the mob definition for them to have the new features
12:05 tenplus1         the Evil Bonny mob on Xanadu has that enabled and she's scarey
12:06 Jordach          we're going to need some holy handgrenades of antioch
12:06 RobbieF          hehe
12:06 RobbieF          what's pathfinding=2 do?
12:06 tenplus1         the mobs bunny can be right clicked with a lava ord to turn it into the Monty pthon bunny :PPP and it attacks
12:07 * twoelk         is of to office
12:07 tenplus1         enjoy
12:07 RobbieF          hehe that sounds great tenplus1
12:08 RobbieF          is there anything that should be done to tps_crappy mobs?
12:08 tenplus1         I have a few easter eggs added to things :)
12:08 RobbieF          pun intended?
12:08 RobbieF          easter.... bunny?
12:08 tenplus1         if you know how, you can ride warthogs and bats on xanadu
12:08 tenplus1         lol
12:08 RobbieF          lol
12:08 RobbieF          we should make the dragons on TPS-Xtreme ridable.
12:09 tenplus1         the new dmobs dragons are rideable, but the models are quite large
12:09 tenplus1         am waiting for d00med to shrink them a bit
12:10 RobbieF          :D
12:11 tenplus1         the current dragon is nice, but the head is always in the way when flying so you cant see
12:11 OldCoder         can't you scale them?
12:11 Jordach          morning, OldCoder
12:12 OldCoder         o/
12:12 tenplus1         we can, but newer dragons lay flay when flying so a lot easier :D
12:12 OldCoder
12:12 Jordach          tenplus1, my beds re-write has interested sofa_r in getting it into Minetest Game
12:12 Jordach          you can sleep at any time and, including while the beds UI is active, chat
12:12 tenplus1         mobs api has 2 modes of riding a mob now, 1 controls like horses/vehicles, the other is flying specific for dragons and planes etc
12:13 OldCoder         There is a Planes mob?
12:13 Jordach          Minetestsoft Flightsimulator X
12:13 * Jordach        hides
12:14 tenplus1         ehehe, the scifi mobs already let you fly X-wing fighters
12:14 RobbieF          tenplus1 I heard that but never figured out how to mount them on TPS-SciFi
12:15 tenplus1         you gotta give yourself the xwing_rideable mob and place/ride
12:15 tenplus1         but... the model is offset. once you ride it you cant get off again... d00med needs to fix collisions
12:16 tenplus1         hi nathan
12:17 NathanS21        hi tenplus1
12:17 RobbieF          gotcha
12:17 RobbieF          so... you can't ride the ones that spawn?
12:17 Calinou          It be possible set by yo ass tha Id of BaseCard yo, but first you gotta use Fluent Api ta specify dis n' tha one-to-many relationshizzle fo' realz. Also, at dis way, you don't gotta specify attributes up in yo' model classes. Yo crazy-ass model classes would be like this:
12:17 Calinou          This freshly smoked up dynamically pimped class gotz nuff logic ta load navigation property when accessed fo' tha last time. This feature is called lazy loading.It enablez Entitizzle Framework ta stay tha fuck away from loadin a entire tree of dependent objects which aint needed from tha database. Yo ass can find mo' info bout dis subject up in these posts:Why Navigation Propertizzles is virtual by default up in EF n' Entitizzle Framework
12:17 Calinou          4.1 Virtual Properties.
12:17 Calinou          (https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/621cjo/i_was_bored_at_work_and_decided_to_do_some/ :P)
12:17 tenplus1         he's still working on the scifi mobs for now... there will be a way to tame it eventually for riding
12:18 tenplus1         ?
12:18 RobbieF          haha
12:18 RobbieF          tame a x-wing fighter
12:21 tenplus1         lure it in with some verillion crystals then nab it with the lasso :DDDDD
12:23 OldCoder
12:36 VanessaE         [03-29 05:52] <OldCoder> celeron55, shangul wishes to know why Wikipedia hates Minetest  <--- because Minetest isn't "notable" enough and not enough third-party, unrelated sites have write-ups, reviews, other info.
12:37 tenplus1         hi fixer
12:37 RobbieF          is there an area protection mod that can "give" people an area when they first join? Like, if I join the server for the first time, I'm given a plot of land to build on and nobody else can build there. Next person joins and spawns at a different spot and given that plot of land. Does such a thing exist?
12:37 VanessaE         also, good morning all.
12:37 tenplus1         hi Vanessa
12:37 Fixer            hi
12:37 Fixer            tidyman is alive
12:38 VanessaE         RobbieF: the closest thing I've heard of to that is how skyblock operates.
12:38 RobbieF          hi VanessaE
12:38 tenplus1         alive and squeaking
12:38 VanessaE         (you're not "given" a plot of land so much as deposited there, others can't get to you right away)
12:38 RobbieF          K thanks VanessaE. I'd toyed with a skyblock server, but wasn't quite well received  :D
12:39 RobbieF          Hmm, okay... that's something anyways. That's more like how TPS-Domes works I guess (players spawn in a dome)
12:39 RobbieF          I'm more looking for, like, here's a flat land, and here's your section of it to build on
12:39 RobbieF          and nobody else can build on it
12:39 RobbieF          unless you grant that
12:40 VanessaE         that's not something that can easily be done without a custom mapgen that's tied to this hypothetical land ownership concept.
12:40 RobbieF          Yeah... that's why I'd hoped it already existed  :D  Time to get my head into some code I guess  LOL
12:41 VanessaE         of course, landrush mod makes ownership easy, and don't you get a protection block right away anhow?
12:41 VanessaE         anyhow*
12:41 RobbieF          never heard of landrush... googling.  :D
12:42 tenplus1         would be a handy feature for a "flat" world where players get an 80x80x80 area spiraling out from the centre, that way it only has to save 1 number for new players to gain land
12:42 * Jordach        upgrades the server
12:42 VanessaE         tenplus1: indeed so
12:43 tenplus1         problem with that is if a player is banned there area is unusable unless you can somehow reclaim it :P
12:43 VanessaE         make it expire after a day or two
12:43 VanessaE         if the user hasn't built there yet
12:43 RobbieF          oh that sounds neat VanessaE. Would have been a good one to use on TPS-Domes had I known about it
12:44 tenplus1         wb shangul
12:44 Jordach          lmao
12:44 Jordach          my server hasn't crashed in two weeks
12:44 tenplus1         nce one dude
12:44 * Jordach        expected a mod to bug out
12:44 tenplus1         what mods you got in play now ?
12:44 Jordach          the reworked beds
12:45 OldCoder         RobbieF, I could add it
12:46 RobbieF          OldCoder how do you mean?
12:46 RobbieF          the feature I describe?
12:46 OldCoder         The auto-protect feature
12:46 OldCoder         Yes
12:46 RobbieF          That'd be amazing.
12:47 OldCoder         Remind me in a week or two
12:47 RobbieF          Sure thing, thanks!
12:47 * OldCoder       has had 7 days of MT and must catch up IRL
12:47 tenplus1         rl beckons
12:47 Jordach          tenplus1, server online for testing
12:48 RobbieF          hehe
12:48 Jordach          RobbieF, if you're interested in my prototype; ask away
12:49 Jordach          >day 26; month 7; year 4
12:49 Jordach          seems legit
12:51 RobbieF          Jordach I'll wait till it's released, but thank you!
12:51 RobbieF          how far off from release?
12:52 Calinou          <VanessaE> [03-29 05:52] <OldCoder> celeron55, shangul wishes to know why Wikipedia hates Minetest  <--- because Minetest isn't "notable" enough and not enough third-party, unrelated sites have write-ups, reviews, other info.
12:52 Calinou          wait until Bobby Prince makes a song, "Nobody Told Me About Minetest"
12:53 Jordach          RobbieF, a while
12:53 VanessaE         he
12:53 VanessaE         heh
12:54 tenplus1         have made a "PBJ_Pup" REDO mod that still has Nyan cat and spawns either/or in world :)
12:54 VanessaE         tenplus1: unnecessary,
12:54 VanessaE         you could have just copied the old nyan cat mod from mt_game.
12:55 VanessaE         (from before the change)
12:55 Jordach          VanessaE, and yet core devs decided on removing it when leaving it in was sufficient for nuking those iOS clients
12:55 tenplus1         am using this to override the new pbj_pup on Xanadu server...
12:55 Jordach          a perfect weapon that exceeds excalibur
12:55 tenplus1         I dont want it loading the sound files or candy trails...  I want it specific
12:55 VanessaE         well ok.
12:55 VanessaE         Jordach: wouldn't help.  they'd still continue to exist.
12:55 tenplus1         and may add the MooGnu block so it could spawn any of the 3 :D
12:58 nerzhul          guys, can you look at your opened issues/PR in core and close invalid issues/PR ?
12:58 nerzhul          we have so many issues and PR, it's impossible to solve all of them :p
12:58 tenplus1         checking
13:01 shangul          thanks tenplus1
13:05 tenplus1         hi DI3HARD139
13:06 DI3HARD139       hello
13:07 VanessaE         morning, DI3HARD139
13:08 * Jordach        thninks of making snow layers entirely walkable = false
13:08 VanessaE         maybe if they're thin
13:09 Jordach          they're 4px thick
13:10 tenplus1         it WAS set to walkable = false and changed back again...
13:17 tenplus1         wb
13:18 DI3HARD139       Morning VanessaE
13:19 twoelk           o/
13:19 twoelk           \o
13:19 DI3HARD139       Morning twoelk and proller
13:19 DI3HARD139       and everyone
13:57 Jordach[Quassel] https://youtu.be/lt1uMo2H6Kc
14:10 tenplus1         hi grogg
14:16 thefamilygrog66  howdy!
14:57 tenplus1         hi xtreme
14:57 tenplus1         https://github.com/tenplus1/pbj_pup
14:59 XtremeHacker     Hi tenplus1, I saw the PB & J pup, I personally think it doesn't seem a good "replacement" for Nyan cat, but I've never even got a Nyan cat, so no problem. :P
14:59 tenplus1         that's why I made this version... it KEEPS nyan cat AND PB&J Pup and spawns both in world :D
15:04 sfan5            you could just have installed both mods
16:57 * twoelk         awaits his sheduled disconnect
17:12 Jordach          you feeling alright
17:12 RobbieF          just registering a new server.
17:12 RobbieF          servers.minetest.tv port 30006
17:25 Calinou          RobbieF: be hip, host a server on port 80 :D
17:25 Calinou          (I saw someone doing that with a Sauerbraten server once)
17:25 tenplus1         hi cal
17:25 Jordach          article 50 has been; https://i.redd.it/m84r77bckboy.jpg
17:26 RobbieF          Calinou, servers.minetest.tv has apache2 running, obviously  :D
17:26 tenplus1         lol
17:26 RobbieF          all the live assets are pulled from there, as well as our api
17:27 RobbieF          Sauerbraten... that takes me back.
17:28 tenplus1         never tried that one... but Clip's I remember
17:28 * Jordach        considers hitting the upload to github button
17:29 RobbieF          Mmmmm
17:29 * RobbieF        hovers over the "pull" button
17:29 * Jordach        considers writing LuaC to look for Jordach's private key
17:32 Calinou          RobbieF: :D
17:32 Calinou          I still play it
17:32 Calinou          too bad most of the community went away
17:32 Calinou          I remember, almost 10 years ago, when the game has 50+ regular players on servers
17:32 Calinou          and the Sauerleague attracting 60 spectators on the same server
17:33 * benrob0329     fires up emacs
17:35 Calinou          there should be a text editor called "bfg", it would use "aplay" to play a BFG loading sound whenever you start it
17:36 tenplus1         o.O
17:37 kaeza            echo -e '#!/bin/bash\naplay bfg.wav\nexec vi "$@"' > /usr/bin/emacs
17:37 RobbieF          Calinou, we were trying to build a game on that engine YEARS ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAKuejaDX7A&list=PL928019A2A3806470
17:37 kaeza            also, greetings
17:38 tenplus1         hi kaeza
17:38 benrob0329       RobbieF be prepared to update TPS scifi today :D
17:39 RobbieF          oh yeah? Thanks for the heads up. What's going on?
17:39 RobbieF          ooh ooh
17:39 RobbieF          :)
17:39 benrob0329       Tardis Mod Alpha One
17:39 RobbieF          WOOOO!
17:39 benrob0329       * Tardis Mod: Alpha One
17:39 RobbieF          lemme know when
17:40 tenplus1         was that the youtube posted with it fading in ?
17:40 benrob0329       nothing really new added, mostly just cleanup and bug fixes
17:40 benrob0329       as well as a change in behavior
17:40 RobbieF          gave it a talking to?
17:40 RobbieF          ;)
17:40 benrob0329       you have to set the dest seperatly from materialising
17:40 benrob0329       tenplus1 yes
17:42 kaeza            <OldCoder> shangul, you have temporary voice. For permanent voice, must register nick.
17:42 kaeza            I repeat, can we get rid of mode +m here?
17:43 Jordach          leave the voices, but disable +m
17:45 RobbieF          what's +m?
17:45 sofar            mute everyone without voice
17:46 RobbieF          ah okay
17:46 tenplus1         hi Krock
17:46 Krock            hello tenplus1
17:46 Krock            I'M STILL PREPARED
17:47 tenplus1         :P
17:47 RobbieF          nice to already see folks connecting to TPS-Skyblock
17:47 benrob0329       no syntax errors???
17:47 benrob0329       O_O
17:47 Krock            where have you been, tenplus1? not seen for some days
17:47 benrob0329       WHAT IS THIS?
17:47 kaeza            Krock, it looks like you were late by a second :P
17:47 Krock            (apart from the logs)
17:47 kaeza            also hi
17:47 tenplus1         resting up from the tension :D
17:47 Krock            kaeza, blame delays :P
17:47 Krock            ah okya
17:48 tenplus1         for those who use it, Mobs Redo API was updated today with better mob pathfinding level2 features (breaking walls, building upwards)
17:52 Shara            Hello all
17:53 RobbieF          hi Shara!
17:53 tenplus1         hi shara
17:54 Shara            Hi Robbie, hi ten
17:54 garywhite        hi Shara
17:54 Shara            How's it going?
17:54 benrob0329       why does the line
17:54 benrob0329       if (tardis.owners[owner]["destination"] == nil) then
17:54 Shara            Hi gary
17:54 benrob0329       return "tried to index a nil value" ?
17:54 benrob0329       isnt that the whole point of that line?
17:54 behalebabo       if tardis.owners is nil, or tardis.owners[owner] is nil, it will fail
17:55 kaeza            benrob0329, one of `tardis`, `tardis.owners`, or `tardis.owners[owner]` is nil
17:55 benrob0329       but its a nil check
17:55 benrob0329       meh
17:55 behalebabo       it only checks the last indexed value
17:55 benrob0329       it might've freaked out on crash
17:56 tenplus1         hi gary
17:56 garywhite        hi ten
17:59 RobbieF          anyone know why a particular technic machine would keep running even when nobody is online?
18:00 benrob0329       forceloading probably
18:00 tenplus1         what machine ?
18:00 RobbieF          looks like something that crafts blocks
18:01 RobbieF          eg., [Server]: Raughnbo takes default:steelblock from chest at (-186,26,-321)
18:01 RobbieF          2017-03-29 14:00:57: ACTION[Server]: Raughnbo takes technic:zinc_block from chest at (-180,24,-321)
18:01 RobbieF          2017-03-29 14:00:57: ACTION[Server]: Raughnbo takes moreores:tin_block from chest at (-180,26,-321)
18:04 Krock            or the block wasn't unloaded
18:04 Krock            or someone is online
18:04 RobbieF          nope nobody online.
18:05 RobbieF          and don't understand why the block wouldn't be "unloaded"
18:05 sfan5            <benrob0329> forceloading probably
18:05 RobbieF          what does that mean?
18:05 benrob0329       it means that the chunk is kept loaded
18:05 RobbieF          hehe
18:05 benrob0329       so that for eg a machine keeps running
18:05 RobbieF          okay okay but what / how?!
18:05 sfan5            i think technic exposes this via some "keep loaded" nodes you can place in the world
18:06 benrob0329       yup
18:06 RobbieF          any idea the nodename?
18:06 benrob0329       and i believe some technic stuff is kept loaded anyways
18:06 RobbieF          ew
18:06 benrob0329       why ew?
18:06 benrob0329       you dont want to loose power just because no one is at the reactor, do you?
18:07 RobbieF          We don't need machines to keep running and impacting players if nobody is there to use them
18:07 behalebabo       there's no way to disable automatic forceloading in new technic?
18:08 RobbieF          If there is, I'd like to know how  :D
18:11 nore             there's no easy way, and disabling it could cause problems though :/
18:11 RobbieF          bummer
18:11 nore             (like free power)
18:12 RobbieF          k
18:12 RobbieF          well, thanks.
18:12 RobbieF          will keep an eye on it.
18:13 Fixer            item drops inside saplink(g), how to combat this?
18:13 sofar            https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/blob/master/manual.md#administrative-world-anchor
18:16 benrob0329       is there a way to load a chunk?
18:16 benrob0329       like, dont keep it loaded
18:16 behalebabo       doesn't the switching station forceload now?
18:16 benrob0329       but just load it so that say a node timer finishes
18:20 benrob0329       ill just forceload the block, and then free it once the tardis demats
18:21 benrob0329       thus eliminate the problem
18:24 Jordach          ayy lmao
18:25 * Jordach        ported an old globalstep hud mod to minetest.after
18:25 tenplus1         did it work ok ?
18:26 kaeza            `minetest.after` is globalstep anyway :P
18:26 Jordach          kaeza, minus the timer var lag
18:26 Jordach          tenplus1, working as indented, tovarisch
18:27 Jordach          (i really should stop browsing /r/warthunder)
18:27 Krock            start browsing /r/programminghorror or /r/shittyprogramming
18:27 tenplus1         kaeza: mt.after uses globalstep ?
18:27 Jordach          it got rewritten
18:27 Jordach          by sofar
18:27 Krock            tenplus1, yes, implemented in builtin this way
18:28 tenplus1         ohhh... always thought it used a new threat with each mt.after
18:28 Jordach          (you can have more than 1 minetest.after per mod)
18:28 Krock            heh no
18:28 Jordach          as part of global
18:28 Krock            would be lovely if you could
18:29 Jordach          i stuck a meow1 and meow2 print
18:29 Jordach          to check if both ran
18:30 kaeza            tenplus1, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/builtin/common/after.lua#L5
18:38 benrob0329       Ok, i think ive got everything working
18:39 benrob0329       now i just need to fix the demat lever mesh
18:39 benrob0329       (its facing the wrong way as of now)
18:54 RobbieF          See ya'll - time for me to go do my show.
18:55 Fixer            after blowing up some tnt i've enlightened myself about old "bugs" and opened few more issues
19:00 benrob0329       https://github.com/benrob0329/tardis
19:00 benrob0329       Tardis: Alpha One released!
19:00 benrob0329       RobbieF
19:01 benrob0329       dangit, i missed him by 5 mins
19:29 sofar            Fixer: tnt bugs? lol
19:31 * benrob0329     tries to join Xandu
19:31 * benrob0329     gets kicked out
19:31 benrob0329       no new players :-(
20:12 Fixer            sofar: not a tnt bug
20:12 Fixer            sofar: just entities stuck too deep in walls
20:13 Fixer            sofar: and i dislike that, it looks horrible - they are black, sometimes immersed close to entirely, hard to find, without any description even in f5 mode
20:14 paramat          there's an issue for that
20:16 sofar            there's a mod for that
20:16 sofar            maybe we should consider merging it
20:18 Fixer            paramat: you sure? i even searched and did not find, so i just created two issues %)
20:20 paramat          hm maybe a PR for it
20:21 paramat          well, i remember a related issue or PR somewhere
20:26 Fixer            paramat: there was issue but not exactly this
20:27 Fixer            nevermind, probably solution is to squeeze out that entities out of solid blocks like wuzzy suggests, or don't let stuck them in the first place
20:33 Fixer            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ-hD5uDQjQ
20:43 Fixer            hmmm
22:06 Fixer            PART FISH @ PART GIRL @ I DON"T FIT YOUR WORLD
22:07 Fixer            sneaking again
22:08 benrob0329       wut
22:09 benrob0329       !tell RobbieF Tardis: Alpha One is out
22:09 ShadowBot        benrob0329: O.K.
22:10 Fixer            paramat: that sneaking changes have you noticed that using shift while climbine one node high blocks produces slight instamove effect close to the block?
22:10 Fixer            paramat: step-like
22:12 Fixer            :_:
22:13 VanessaE         Fixer: ..
22:13 VanessaE         didn't you say you found a second OOM problem that was not related to (the need for) GC64 in Liajit?
22:14 VanessaE         LuaJIT*
22:14 Fixer            ob the other hand why would you hold shift to climb 1block up obsticle...
22:15 Fixer            VanessaE: don't understand you
22:15 VanessaE         out of memory?
22:15 VanessaE         remember? :)
22:15 Fixer            out of memory errors, yes
22:15 Fixer            annoying
22:15 Fixer            with dreambuilder, technic, darkage
22:15 VanessaE         I had two happen today in, of all places, mesecons.
22:15 Fixer            GC64 is not usable because it crashes entire minetest
22:16 Fixer            only option is to use simple LUA
22:16 paramat          i haven't noticed that, is this with sneak ladder enabled?
22:17 Fixer            paramat: not sure, fbc1432 build, it is hard to explain without gif
22:17 paramat          well default is currently snaek ladder enabled so ..
22:17 Fixer            i know how to demo this
22:18 paramat          minor weirdness with that option enabled is i feel acceptable, compared to all the bugs the previous code had
22:19 nore             ^ could that be that voxelmanipulators leak lua memory?
22:20 nore             each time I heard this problem it was related to a mod that uses vms
22:20 nore             mesecons now, pipeworks, technic, or some mapgen
22:20 Fixer            paramat: it is just observation, https://imgur.com/a/i9AKv
22:20 Fixer            paramat: yes i agree
22:21 paramat          nore OOM is often caused by high memory use by lvms or perlin noise, but this is not leaks just high usage
22:22 nerzhul          players to database is 60% finished :)
22:22 paramat          i made a forum post about 3 methods for greatly reducing memory use by these
22:22 nerzhul          pgsql support is now okay heh
22:22 nerzhul          sqlite support is partial, only writing
22:22 nore             paramat: are we sure there are no leaks?
22:22 nerzhul          and we need a migration model
22:22 paramat          technic, darkage just need these methods applied
22:22 paramat          no not sure there are no leaks
22:24 paramat          but here i'm referring to OOM by exceeding LuaJIT limit
22:24 Fixer            paramat: i had subgame from milan that has darkage mod, load game = 5 seconds = on generated OOM
22:25 paramat          someone (not me) needs to look at the code of these mods and apply the optimisations i detailed
22:25 Fixer            yes, I pasted that info to mod author
22:27 paramat          https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=16043
22:28 paramat          anyone know which part of mesecons uses lvm or perlin noise? the repo is big =/
22:29 Fixer            dreambuilder works for me for 5-10 min
22:29 Fixer            then OOM
22:29 Fixer            then start again and OOM even faster
22:29 Fixer            you need to relaunch entire minetest
22:29 paramat          but then, these OOMs may be caused by something else
22:32 nore             paramat: mesecons doesn't use perlin noise
22:32 nore             it does use some lvm as caches to bulk read the map though
22:33 nore             and maybe update it as well, I don't remember
22:40 Fixer            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfUWbgLdSgE
23:17 Sokomine         Fixer: hm. i have - for quite some time now - sometimes cases where mt almost hooks up my entire machine. all i can to in such a case is alt-f1, wait, wait, wait, type kill -9 minetest, wait a bit more and then continue
23:21 Fixer            Sokomine: not enough system memory? videocard overheating? could be many reasons
23:22 Sokomine         8 gb ought to be enough. no videocard present - it's an igp (still that celeron g1610). it's also possible that one of the firefox instances runs amok
23:37 Fixer            Mixing copper and iron togehert - International Skeptics Forum
23:37 Fixer            kek