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00:37 benrob0329 Hello
00:48 benrob0329 Perhaps someone should just email the copyright owner of Nyan Cat to either get minetest cleared once and for all or not at all
00:48 VanessaE been there, done that, got the "fuck off" email to go with it.
00:49 benrob0329 so he dont give a crap
00:49 benrob0329 great
00:50 VanessaE years ago, when the issue first came up, I emailed him asking for licensing info.  he wanted nothing to do with MT, called it a rip off, demanded his imagery be removed.  that's what led me to make the revised nyan cat.
00:50 benrob0329 the creator of the worlds most well known meme doesn't have the nerve to give a straight answer on license
00:50 VanessaE and now he's sued and won against Warner Bros (well, settled out of court I guess).  so fuck him.
00:51 VanessaE the safest course of action was to remove the nyan cat entirely and come up with something new and roughly equal in "cuteness". hence, pbj pup.
00:51 benrob0329 I think the bread should be a bit less brown
00:51 VanessaE that's the crust :)
00:51 benrob0329 it doesn't contrast nicely
00:54 paramat i think that brown is peanut butter on the outside
00:54 VanessaE the outside edge?  that's crust.  the middle is peanut butter. :)
00:56 paramat yeah
00:56 benrob0329 Aa for the "rip off", minetest was created around the same time that notch's channel still had early dev videos
00:56 paramat now i'm hungry
00:57 * VanessaE hands paramat a fluffernutter
00:57 VanessaE :)
00:57 benrob0329 What on earth is a fluffernutter?
00:57 paramat thanks, i'll eat it once i research what it is
00:57 * benrob0329 hands paramat a jelly baby
00:59 * Shara suddenly feels hungry
00:59 paramat hehe
01:00 benrob0329 <Tom Baker> Would you like a jelly baby? </Tom Baker>
01:01 VanessaE paramat: it's peanut butter + "marshmallow fluff" in a sandwich, sometimes toasted.
01:02 Shara I'm tired enough that that sounds tasty...
01:04 VanessaE I've never actually had one.
01:04 VanessaE though marshmallow fluff is tasty.
01:05 Shara It sounds nommy
01:05 Shara I'm not even completely sure I like peanut butter though. We don't really have it here
01:08 benrob0329 O_O
01:08 shivajiva I think it's fairer to say we have it but it's never been popular, most of us have bought a jar at some point and it turned a funny colour in the fridge after it was opened
01:08 Shara Hewh, well I never have!
01:08 Shara heh*
01:09 benrob0329 you refrigerated it??
01:09 shivajiva yea I even changed it from all to most after I thought about your statement xD
01:10 benrob0329 Ive never chilled penut butter in my life
01:10 shivajiva pretty sure that's where my jar ended up
01:10 benrob0329 That might explain why it never got eaten
01:11 benrob0329 penut butter gets hard to spread in the fridge
01:11 shivajiva bought one for my daughter to try and that never made it to the fridge, it went straight to the bin lol
01:11 shivajiva same with the cashew nut butter
01:12 benrob0329 How dare you ditch perfectly good penut butterZ
01:12 benrob0329 *butter!
01:12 shivajiva I apologise, sorry :)
01:13 shivajiva but we love Marmite in our house
01:13 benrob0329 I shall have to relay this message of penut abuse to the great King Jif Skippy himself!
01:14 shivajiva now I'm wondering what marmite n peanut butter tastes like
01:14 shivajiva rofl gn ;)
01:14 Shara Probably like the world ending, one way or another >.>
01:14 Shara I better sleep too, night all :)
01:15 VanessaE night :)
01:15 * benrob0329 boots up his computer with a nice boal of chocolate ice cream
01:16 benrob0329 Boal? Bole? Ebola?
01:16 benrob0329 Idk
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02:46 VanessaE Calinou: carbone_mobs appears to be trying to reach for character.x, and failing.
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04:17 octacian night all!
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04:40 OldCoder The first Minebest source tarball is ready.
04:40 OldCoder Fatures: (1) the old sneak code is included, (2) it works with both old and new maps, (3) it saves to the old map format, and (4) it doesn't break Technic.
04:40 OldCoder http://minetest.org/minetest-170326.tbz
04:40 OldCoder http://minetest.org/
04:40 OldCoder Thank you for your time.
04:41 OldCoder Calinou, est31, cheapie, octacian, Zeno`, TheReaperKing, Sokomine, shivajiva, Lunatrius ^
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04:41 Calinou 2masshighlight5me
04:56 nore "(4) it doesn't break Technic." ?!?
05:07 TommyTreasure nore, it did on my server
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05:08 TommyTreasure could no longer promote technic drills
05:08 nore TommyTreasure: way so, what was the problem?
05:08 nore (has this even been reported?)
05:09 TommyTreasure i'm not a coder, so keep that in mind.  i can only relate the symptoms....
05:09 TommyTreasure drill mode promotion requires shift click
05:09 nore ok
05:09 nore and?
05:10 TommyTreasure would not promote past mode 1
05:10 nore ehm
05:11 nore this is strange
05:11 TommyTreasure when i ran my game with previous binary, game tried to crash, but didn't.  couldn't connect with client.
05:11 TommyTreasure my 2nd game, with old style map (my guess on this) and old binary ran fine
05:12 TommyTreasure this is a headless box, with no client installed.  minetestserver only
05:12 TommyTreasure unfortunately, i backed up everthing, except for my world directory
05:13 TommyTreasure dumb mistake on my part
05:13 TommyTreasure client is jan 28, 17 .15-dev
05:14 TommyTreasure 2 totally separate and isolated machines
05:30 nore okay
05:30 nore interesting
05:30 nore will try to look at it
05:34 benrob0329 Mesecons Inc, now open for business on the corner of Lake and East on VE Survival! We'll build your contraptions, auto smelters and more! Just drop us a letter in the box and we'll see to you as soon as we can!
05:38 TommyTreasure i must say thanks to OldCoder's assistance in troubleshooting, and sending me the source.  no map changes needed to be made.  game works once again.  many thanks to OldCoder.
05:39 TommyTreasure OldCoder took the time to download my map, mod directory and minetest_game directory for testing.  must say he went _way_ out of his way to be helpful.
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07:23 red-002 I think I remeber someone else reporting that issue
07:23 red-002 the technic one
07:24 red-002 they though it was my commit but apprently they found the real cause of it after bisecting
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12:47 Jordach VanessaE, hold my beer
12:48 VanessaE ?
12:48 Jordach >The bed needs to have a "lump" in it when you're there
12:48 VanessaE oh.
12:48 Jordach you know exactly what happens when you challenge me to that shit :^)
12:49 VanessaE didn't seem like much of a challenge.  minetest.swap_node() just before the "get into bed" animation
12:49 Jordach what about afterwards?
12:49 * VanessaE shrugs..
12:52 Jordach eh, that solves the problem immediately without many issues
12:53 Jordach VanessaE, the eyes can also be non-standard shapes within wardrobe
12:54 Jordach i have a way of doing this - but it's a bit... uh
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13:45 benrob0329 Hello
13:51 Fixer hi
13:54 nrzkt preparing work for daily builds :D
13:54 nrzkt (debian/ubuntu/fedora)
13:54 nrzkt https://gitlab.com/nerzhul/​minetest/pipelines/7268388
13:54 nrzkt (in my own namespace atm)
13:55 nrzkt oh it's private
13:55 nrzkt why...
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13:57 nrzkt it's fixed, nice
13:57 nrzkt it's the startup for debian/ubuntu/fedora but when it will be properly working we can think about Android, Centos, Windows and more :p
14:04 Fixer niiiice
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14:08 nrzkt Fixer: it's not finished yet, it's a rampup, but idea is to use gitlab CI pipelines with docker containers to generate prebuild packages for distros everyday after minetest repository sync from github to gitlab
14:09 Fixer daily windows builds can be crosscompiled with sfans buildbot.sh (it is main method today anyway)
14:10 nrzkt Fixer: yes, i think i will look at this at the end
14:10 Jordach nrzkt, now go fix the hud api scaling bugs
14:11 nrzkt Jordach:
14:11 nrzkt no
14:12 Jordach nrzkt, it's a feature that is broken on every other system except windows
14:12 nrzkt Jordach: i know but i'm not very client UI aware
14:12 Jordach nrzkt, pop an issue for it
14:12 nrzkt Jordach: you are the reporter, open it i'm not your slave :)
14:12 Jordach that shouldn't be definitely happening
14:12 Jordach at all
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16:06 kaeza greetings
16:07 Wayward_One hello :)
16:08 Jordach meep meep
16:09 XtremeHacker Roadrunner
16:09 XtremeHacker I'm working on rigging a blender thing
16:10 XtremeHacker Gonna have to do weight panting, as auto-weighting is messing up for some reason
16:17 Jordach ...use empty groups
16:17 Jordach it always works out right
16:17 Jordach (and don't forget to git gud)
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16:24 sfan5 Fixer: please test https://github.com/sfan5/minetest/tree/snek3
16:24 kaeza kek3
16:25 Jordach DEPORT SNEK
16:25 Krock o/
16:25 Jordach o/
16:25 kaeza o/
16:25 Fixer sfan5: ok, will do a bit later, need to finally move up from the chair with the cat, my butt hurts
16:30 Krock *patches*
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16:39 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/MOUHPrh.png
16:40 Jordach hold my beer indeed
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16:42 Fixer "With built-in video recorder"
16:45 sfan5 yes but it sucks
16:50 Krock Jordach, where's the mouth?!
16:50 Krock sfan5, nice. it fixes the weird sinking
16:51 sfan5 does it?
16:51 Krock well, partwise
16:51 Krock it's possible to jump even when sinking
16:51 Krock before this was blocked
16:52 Krock apparently does not work all the time. got to test deeper
16:52 Jordach Krock, missing mouth textuers atm
16:52 Jordach Krock, tl;dr http://i.imgur.com/FZRL9A0.png
16:58 Krock the strange teleporting away from the border increases with this commit a lot :/
16:59 Krock standing too far out on a node and hitting shift results in an instant teleportation
17:01 sfan5 that's literally the same as previously
17:02 Krock only on regular nodes, sadly
17:03 kaeza Krock, while you're there, can you confirm that sneaking while submerged in liquids repeatedly plays the footstep sound?
17:03 Krock current: http://i.imgur.com/evti6pC.png  patched: http://i.imgur.com/vv18Uz5.png
17:04 Krock *turns on sound and checks*
17:04 sfan5 oh
17:04 sfan5 Krock: you can't sneak on the lower part of the stair
17:05 Krock yeah, but IIRC this was possible before. But that caused bugs now, right?
17:05 sfan5 previously it would not snap you to the top, it now does
17:05 sfan5 depends on when "before" is
17:05 Krock "before" = old sneaky code
17:06 sfan5 before every node acted like a full cube when sneaking
17:07 sfan5 with the exception of nodes that are "uniformly" smaller, e.g. slabs
17:07 Krock kaeza, when reaching the bottom? see ladders, same effect
17:07 kaeza Krock, ah I see
17:08 Krock kaeza, I even opened an issue for that a while ago: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1460
17:10 kaeza Krock, ah, did not that notice until recently. I always just jump off ladders :P
17:10 Krock lol
17:10 kaeza assumed that was introduced by the sneaking changes somehow
17:10 Krock it's always the new sneak code's fault
17:10 Krock :P
17:11 kaeza yeah, thanks sfan. your sneaking fixes made wallmounted nodes appear backwards
17:12 Krock definitely the root cause ^
17:13 kaeza but seriously now, really like the new sneaking stuff
17:13 Krock hmm.. sneaking and jumping on half-slabs is still quite interesting. sometimes you fall directly or you're sinking onto it
17:16 Krock compared with the previous code it now also disallows from jumping off a node while holding sneak
17:17 Krock (not sure if wanted or not)
17:18 sfan5 unintended side effect
17:35 benrob0329 it'd be interesting to see someone make a fps in minetest
17:36 benrob0329 (We could use wield item aninations though)
17:59 ircSparky whoa now, when did we get shift-click quick move?!!?!?
17:59 ircSparky I just noticed it
17:59 Fixer since ages?
17:59 ircSparky man
17:59 Fixer it is still not enough for me
17:59 Fixer too much strain on middle mouse button
18:01 ircSparky daaamn
18:01 ircSparky shift-middle click too?!
18:01 ircSparky I've been being hard on myself
18:02 ircSparky at least i knew that middle click crafted 10
18:02 Fixer bug near monitor detected
18:03 Fixer sfan5: fixed that issue
18:04 Krock no, shift click is rather new, added in 0.4.12-dev
18:05 Krock some older mods do not contain this new formspec element, thus it's not possible to move the stacks everywhere
18:05 Krock eeks. the new changelog isn't done yet
18:08 Fixer https://imgur.com/gallery/ulQoe5J lol
18:11 Fixer lets evade damage
18:12 Fixer season 2017 episode 0.4.15-dev
18:13 Krock Fixer, top comment is somewhat true
18:13 red-002 so all that stuff about fixing sneak was completely pointless?
18:13 Krock re-adding old behaviour with new code. it's not pointless!
18:14 Fixer sfan5: i wonder why it is not possible to make a speed limit beyound which sneak just won't work
18:14 sfan5 that's possible
18:14 sfan5 just nobody has added that
18:16 Fixer btw i'm testing it along double jump PR, hope no problems with that
18:17 Fixer it is kinda wrong to test two PRs at once
18:18 sfan5 that might break some stuff
18:18 sfan5 or maybe not
18:19 Fixer sfan5: have not, so far, will look
18:20 Fixer will paraphrase about damage evasion... why not simply set a speed limit that completely disables anything related to sneak/corners/whatevercrap - so you just fucked no matter in what pose you fly
18:21 Fixer no matter what you press
18:21 Fixer nores PR bunny jumping: https://imgur.com/a/mi3HK
18:22 Fixer "mobility" perverts will like it
18:22 Fixer add legs animation and it will look ridiculous
18:26 Fixer sfan5: in singleplayer on mountain terrain I don't see anything suspicious about it yet, will try to walk more on actual server in buildings
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18:28 Fixer sfan5: when you sneak and approach stair - it instabumps to top of stair
18:29 red-002 great we replaced bugs with other bugs
18:29 Fixer i will test without nores pr
18:32 Fixer with this doublejump PR i can literally hit my head in jump, ceiling at block 5
18:33 Fixer if slab below
18:33 Fixer feels funny
18:33 Fixer it adds more ridiculousness to this sneak/doublejump debucle
18:34 Fixer bunny simulator 2018
18:35 Fixer wth is this.....
18:36 Fixer found another spot - different - more ridiculousness
18:36 Fixer will wait before SNEK3 only compile
18:37 Fixer ok
18:37 Fixer figured it out
18:37 Fixer that was sneak effect, have not seen that seen slab1
18:38 Fixer sokomine detected
18:41 Fixer snek3 only test
18:41 benrob0329 Is it possible to start minetest from tge command line (skipping the main menu and just booting into a world?)
18:42 nore Fixer: yeah, my pr is broken
18:42 nore benrob0329: I think minetest --world something?
18:42 nore or something like that
18:43 Fixer nore: well, with slabs/stairs/nodebox - could be, do you want to bunny jump on flat ground?
18:43 Fixer so much problems because of this bullshit
18:43 Amaz benrob0329: Try minetest --worldname worldname --go
18:44 * benrob0329 is thinking about a minetest launcher
18:44 nore Fixer: hm nope, this is my pr which is a quick hack and thus completely broken :)
18:44 Fixer benrob0329: there is already one - main menu
18:45 Fixer nore: i have awkward feel about all of this, not just this pr
18:45 benrob0329 Yes, butbit doesn't work well for eg on touchscreens
18:45 Fixer it is like removing glands via anal
18:45 Fixer weird feel
18:45 Shara Hi
18:45 Fixer hi
18:45 benrob0329 Tmi
18:47 Krock Fun fact: new sneak now allows climbing this structure: http://i.imgur.com/o3E49Ay.png
18:48 Krock (1 node spacing)
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18:48 Shara Hi paramat
18:48 Krock o/ paramat
18:49 paramat (hi) Krock that's a simple sneak ladder, being able to climb that is good news
18:50 Krock however, the old sneak ladder with full nodes (and 1 spacing aswell) doesn't work anymore
18:50 paramat ok :]
18:51 paramat you mean the old simple ladder, yes
18:52 Fixer "can you confirm that sneaking while submerged in liquids repeatedly plays the footstep sound?" can confirm this but wonder if it is also in default
18:53 Fixer Krock: even more weirder
18:53 Fixer it is not just water
18:53 Krock Fixer, yes, see later posted issue link
18:53 Fixer if you shift while on bottom of ladder - same problem
18:54 Fixer this is so much claster----
18:56 Fixer happens on aa5549e
18:57 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/slaQ5wx.jpg this is suggestive
18:57 Krock and for some reason my jungle trees are dying like if they were in the vietnam var
18:58 paramat don't worry about rapid footsteps, happens in many situations
18:59 Fixer paramat: the problem is it started to happen in water too, since some time
18:59 paramat well don't blame new sneak for it
19:00 paramat if you see the 'new sneak bugs' issue you can see old sneak had many bugs too, i tested
19:00 Fixer not new, i'm looking right now when it break
19:01 Fixer nevermind
19:02 Fixer 072bbba also has this sound, one more try and will leave this subject
19:04 sfan5 <Fixer> sfan5: when you sneak and approach stair - it instabumps to top of stair
19:04 sfan5 feature
19:04 sfan5 used to counteract the lower-stair part sneak bug reported by Shara
19:04 Fixer holy crap
19:05 Fixer this is surreal
19:05 Shara A teleport bug to fix a getting stuck bug?
19:05 Fixer yo dawg
19:06 octacian How does the mapgen_limit setting work? If set to 31000 would that mean that the map would be generated 31000 blocks each direction from spawn?
19:06 octacian (spawn = 0,0,0)
19:22 paramat octacian yes
19:22 octacian paramat: good, thanks.
19:23 paramat that's also default behaviour and what happened before we had the limit
19:23 paramat 31000
19:23 paramat 31000 was the old fixed limit
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19:30 Fixer suddenly this https://i.imgur.com/sFV81wh.png
19:31 Shara Clearly a new feature.
19:31 Fixer it is enlarged chicken renamed into turkey with turkey sound
19:31 Shara I actually sort of like it.
19:31 Shara I did it with bats after all.
19:32 Fixer it is huge turkey
19:32 Shara And... now I'm hungry again.
19:32 Amaz It looks a bit like some strange dinosaur
19:32 Shara What is it with this channel and making me feel hungry?
19:32 Amaz Oooo, a chicken that size would be good
19:32 Amaz *drools*
19:32 Shara Not helping >.>
19:33 Amaz Sorry :P
19:33 Shara Now I'm thinking about ancient unfinished cookie mod!
19:33 Amaz Although this has made me hungry - and I've just eaten...
19:33 RobbieF TPS-Crappy has kittens that are generally larger than elephants. Just sayin'.
19:33 thefamilygrog66 That thing is huge!
19:33 Shara RobbieF :D
19:34 Calinou hi RobbieF
19:34 Amaz Talking about elephants, does anyone have a half-decent elephant model? I mean adding Oliphants to LOTT would be cool :)
19:34 RobbieF hey Calinou!
19:35 RobbieF Amaz I like the mobs-redo model quite well!
19:35 Amaz Oooo, there's one in mobs redo? :D
19:36 Amaz I didn't realise that :D
19:36 Shara I thought it was in dmobs
19:36 RobbieF oh maybe tenplus1 adapted it for me
19:36 RobbieF I have it in redo
19:36 RobbieF but there IS one on TPS-Domes, that's the point  LOL
19:36 Shara Yea, but redo itself doesn't have mobs
19:36 Shara That's just... the thing that handles them
19:36 RobbieF sorry, you know what  I mean  :D
19:36 Shara :D
19:36 RobbieF yes, the api
19:37 Shara Amaz: Check dmobs
19:37 RobbieF don't get all semantic on me  :)
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19:37 Amaz Shara, okay :D
19:37 Shara My version of dmobs has ridable elephants, not sure if the originals are ridable
19:37 * Amaz passes out
19:37 Amaz The awesomeness
19:37 * Amaz needs this
19:37 Amaz :P
19:38 Fixer Well, chicken is kinda dinosaur, just smaller
19:38 Shara Heh, I keep saying I'll make my version public sometime.
19:38 Fixer Zeno knows for sure
19:38 benrob0329 Hi RobbieF
19:38 Shara But realised I need to figure out license stuff and things to show in a presentable way and got a headache and... gqave up. :)
19:39 Amaz License stuff can be annoying at times
19:39 Shara Since I think I combined things from three different places into my version of the mod now.
19:39 Shara My version has bats and bugs from other mods.
19:41 RobbieF Amaz I have the elephant attack me on TPS Episode 21 if you want to see it
19:41 Amaz Link? :D
19:42 RobbieF http://minetest.tv
19:42 Amaz ty :)
19:42 RobbieF :D
19:42 RobbieF might have to skim to find that bit... probably ~ 1/2 way+ mark
19:42 Amaz Okay, thanks!
20:04 Amaz RobbieF: Just saw your murder by that elephant xD
20:05 RobbieF :D
20:05 RobbieF good model eh?
20:05 RobbieF and you're right; it was a MURDER
20:05 RobbieF lol
20:05 Amaz Yup :P
20:05 RobbieF vicious creatures
20:05 RobbieF and I'm all "I hope they're friendly"
20:06 Amaz Yup
20:06 RobbieF Note: they are not.
20:06 Amaz And that sigh after it killed you :P
20:06 RobbieF LOL
20:06 Amaz And was that a troll that spawned right next to it when you went back there? :P
20:06 Amaz Ah, yes, it was :P
20:07 Amaz Your lucky day :p
20:08 RobbieF likely!
20:08 RobbieF lol
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20:18 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/I2WmmXW.png
20:19 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/FucbAus.png
20:20 kaeza >FucbAus
20:20 kaeza so close
20:20 kaeza also what is that? O.o
20:21 Jordach why are thoes clouds different
20:21 Jordach like they've got a texture
20:21 Jordach waita  minute
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20:21 Jordach that's MC
20:22 sofar you sound disappointed
20:22 Jordach when did we get that
20:23 Fixer mc beta 1.7.3 with Etho world (one from 2011)
20:23 Fixer did some archeology
20:24 Fixer that was candy texture pack
20:24 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/auWaBs6.jpg
20:25 Fixer dokucraft
20:25 thefamilygrog66 My lame, yet successful, attempt to create/export a red sphere in blender, and use it for a mob: https://vid.me/VY3H
20:26 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/36yupTC.jpg this one was converted for minetest by someone
20:26 Fixer faithful 32px
20:31 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/aW62kLw.png johnsmith
20:32 Fixer dat crosshair
20:34 benrob0329 (Offtopic) https://levans.fr/blog//rust_wayland_1-en.html
20:40 Fixer wayland development feels as fast as minetest one
20:40 Fixer 10 years passed
20:40 Fixer still waiting
20:51 * Sokomine hides from Fixer
20:51 Sokomine ah :-) code archeology sounds intresting
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21:02 Jordach wooo
21:02 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/ncBxra4.png
21:02 Jordach dynamically supporting ones with extra facial textuers
21:02 Jordach or features like eyeliner
21:06 Fixer https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=17111 KEK
21:06 Fixer and i thought like 12 hours ago... about compressed cobble
21:11 Calinou I think More Blocks has compressed cobble too
21:11 Calinou (only 1 tier)
21:11 Jordach Calinou, just call it ExtraUtils and call it a day ;)
21:12 Calinou libExtraUtilToolsFrameworkHelperMod
21:12 Fixer lib.Extra.Util.Tools.Framework.Helper.Mod
21:12 Fixer License: ISC
21:12 Fixer wth
21:13 Calinou where did you see that? :P
21:13 Fixer https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=17079
21:14 Calinou what's wrong with ISC license?
21:14 Fixer Calinou: never heared of it
21:26 benrob0329 Its OpenBSD's goto license
21:28 Calinou npm also defaults to it in "npm init"
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22:12 red-002 Fixer, at least we are not reactos
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22:12 red-002 to be fair through they have to recreate a whole OS
22:12 benrob0329 Buy they're doing it!
22:13 benrob0329 So props to them
22:13 red-002 but thier forums aren't much better https://www.reactos.org/forum/​viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=16283
22:14 Jordach >(1) You're two decades late with your objections. (2) I don't think the objections matter.
22:14 Jordach roasted and toasted
22:15 * benrob0329 might stick reactos on a vm
22:16 benrob0329 maybe I can get some windows games to run decently without wine
22:16 Jordach it's called a VM with windows and GPU passthrough
22:16 benrob0329 And I don't mean being so drunk it doesn't natter anymore
22:17 red-002 lol
22:17 Jordach are you alright, benrob0329
22:17 benrob0329 yes
22:17 benrob0329 I think
22:17 benrob0329 Maybe
22:17 benrob0329 Probably not
22:18 Fixer PART FISH @ PART GIRL
22:19 benrob0329 I'm doing better than he is apparently
22:19 red-002 seems so indeed
22:19 * benrob0329 is now away
22:20 nerzhul benrob0329, i play skyrim on wine in ultra mode works fine :)
22:20 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/cCDXkHa.png
22:21 rubenwardy Skyrim works in Wine????????
22:21 rubenwardy why have I not been told this?
22:21 nerzhul rubenwardy, yes, it works perfect on mine, sometimes fps drop when too many casters but works well
22:21 nerzhul i have arch with wine-csmt
22:22 nerzhul wine-staging
22:22 nerzhul which has the csmt patchset to improve performance
22:23 Jordach nerzhul, hard mode: fallout 4
22:24 nerzhul Jordach, i don't have it :p
22:26 VanessaE sofar: here's another candidate for minetest-mods, https://github.com/cyisfor/inventory_sorter  (no commits in over three years, and I've seen a complaint of corrupted textures therein)
22:26 Fixer from me
22:26 Fixer not corrupted - just usage of symlinks on windows
22:26 Fixer which is not working here
22:26 VanessaE Fixer: "timsoft" on the forum, also.
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22:27 sofar I can't skyrim on wine, tried many times
22:27 nerzhul sofar, i have a AMD 7970
22:27 sofar that sucks
22:27 sofar I'm sorry to hear that
22:27 nerzhul it's not a recent card but very decent :p and doesn't benefit from current AMD work as it's a GCN 1.1
22:27 sofar unfortunately, even though I work for Intel, I can't give out free CPUs
22:28 nerzhul i talked about my GPU not CPU
22:28 sofar I was just kidding
22:28 nerzhul my CPU is a FX 8350 it consume some electricity, but in france we have nuclear power :p
22:28 Amaz So you do hand out free CPUs, sofar? :D
22:28 Amaz ;)
22:28 sofar it may not produce CO2, but it's not renewable
22:29 sofar Amaz: no, but I myself have gotten freebies before :)
22:29 Amaz Nice :)
22:29 sofar although it's been a while
22:29 sofar I'll need to replace them soon, 5yrs old already now
22:30 sofar 6-core 12-thread cpu's are hard to let go :)
22:30 * Amaz is jealous
22:30 Jordach sofar, R Y Z E N
22:30 rubenwardy !seen tenplus1
22:30 ShadowBot rubenwardy: I saw tenplus1 in #minetest-project 1 week, 2 days, 5 hours, 55 minutes, and 19 seconds ago saying "all of a sudden staticdata is returned as nil when i go back into an area filled with tamed mobs..."
22:30 * sofar is triggered
22:30 Jordach LMAO
22:30 nerzhul Intel != Free CPU, they add bloat in linux kernel :p
22:31 sofar they're not free to you
22:31 nerzhul :p
22:31 sofar you better pay part of my salary when you buy one
22:31 nerzhul FX 8350 = 8 CPU it's very nice 4Ghz also
22:31 Jordach sofar, eh, i have an i5 4690
22:31 Fixer i3
22:31 sofar Jordach: that's a nice one, will last you a few more years
22:32 Jordach sofar, my bios lets me OC it
22:32 Jordach it corrupts UEFI gfx
22:32 sofar I'm still on a HSW desktop myself at work
22:32 Jordach but windows boots just fine
22:32 Jordach it can go ~4.4Ghz
22:32 Fixer Jordach: iirc there were motherboards that allowed overclock of intel cpus
22:32 Jordach Fixer, Z97-K ASUSTek
22:34 sofar many boards
22:34 Fixer can overclock any, not just K versions
22:34 Fixer i don't have details
22:34 Fixer but it is possible
22:35 Jordach the Hyper Evo 212 cooler with twin 120mm fans do a decent job of cooling it
22:35 sofar tbh I never overclock
22:35 Jordach ^
22:36 Jordach product lifetime vs early death and performace
22:36 sofar getting a good power supply and a nice fan is a much better deal
22:36 sofar I need my system to be reliable above all
22:36 sofar 2 days downtime and I'm in fetus position in a corner reciting biblical verses
22:37 Jordach my m8s OC'd i7 4790k has a waterloop with an air bubble
22:38 Jordach it gets spicy
22:38 sofar model name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790 CPU @ 3.60GHz
22:38 sofar preprod CPU without any locks
22:38 Jordach Intel ME leaks wen
22:38 Jordach Kappa
22:39 sofar could care less, this box is in the office anyway
22:41 Fixer holy crap
22:41 Fixer shit breaked
22:41 Fixer was afking, when suddenly something approaching very fast... turns out that huge turkey...
22:42 sofar the country or animal?
22:42 Jordach dem roaches
22:43 Fixer animal in Just Test 2
22:43 Fixer footsteps were alarmingly fast and I had to open minetest window
22:44 Fixer huge ch..turkey was moving fast in my direction
22:44 Fixer i step away
22:44 Fixer to the side
22:44 Fixer luckily it just walked near me and made few sounds
22:45 Sokomine ah, those chicken? they're...huge
22:46 Fixer JT2 is simply insanely huge
22:46 Sokomine players on that server are more dangerous. there are many friendly ones, but it is also a server where pvp is allowed. i personally don't like that
22:46 Fixer larger than player
22:46 Fixer http://www.ancientdomainsofmystery.co​m/2017/03/the-adom-build-system.html
22:47 Sokomine yes, they're pretty big, those chicken. a big mystery where they came from, what they do (except running around very fast), what they're up to...probably a conspiracy :-)
22:47 Sokomine they can indeed be scary
22:48 * VanessaE pokes Sokomine
22:48 * Sokomine hides behind such a huge chicken :-)
22:49 Sokomine VanessaE: yes, i know. i need to take care of your pull request. need to think about how to do it best...
22:49 Fixer Sokomine: maikerumine enabled them for a holiday and forgot to disable iirc
22:49 Sokomine currently i'm trying to include a way to manually build/repair a house that was placed using handle_schematics
22:50 VanessaE Sokomine: I made a pull request?  I was just poking you :)
22:50 Sokomine fixer: oh. hope he keeps them on. they where (apart from the buildings and some very friendly players) something i actually liked there
22:50 Sokomine VanessaE: maybe you thought that was necessary after having to wait so long :) can't hurt to poke now and then :)
22:51 VanessaE nope, I figured you'll get to it whenever :)
23:02 Fixer https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/201​7/03/23/making-dungeon-crawl-stone-s​oup-with-253-cooks-and-no-head-chef/
23:02 Fixer found some parallels with minetest
23:05 Jordach >they post a design document on the development wiki, detailing the changes that they want to make.
23:05 Jordach WHY DON'T WE HAVE THIS
23:05 rubenwardy Jordach, http://dev.minetest.net/TODO
23:08 red-002 how many forks of minetest are there right now?
23:09 Fixer just read the article
23:09 rubenwardy just freeminer, basically
23:09 Fixer it has some insight on project development
23:09 rubenwardy minebest is coming soon[tm]
23:09 red-002 what about voxellands?
23:09 rubenwardy oh yeah
23:09 Fixer rubenwardy: and mobile one... forgot the name
23:09 rubenwardy but that's 0.3.1
23:09 red-002 rubenwardy, he released zip
23:09 red-002 no git repo right now
23:10 red-002 it seems to be mostly a client thing
23:11 paramat freeminer and voxelands dev are both very quiet recently
23:12 red-002 I hope minebest doesn't go gpl like freeminer
23:13 Fixer multicraft is big one
23:13 Fixer for crippled devices
23:14 Shara multicraft lately seems like thing intended to make players sulk at me
23:15 Fixer why?
23:15 red-002 I guess in a werid way the fork became bigger then the orignal
23:15 Shara Users report problems opening inventory
23:15 red-002 but still bases it's code of mt
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23:16 Fixer hah
23:18 Fixer it seems minetest itself is just 25% of userbase?
23:19 Fixer multicraft is 62%
23:19 Fixer mobile users = 90$
23:19 Fixer %
23:19 Fixer https://kitsunemimi.pw/tmp/se​rverlist_stats_2017-03-17.txt
23:25 paramat nuts
23:27 paramat unfortunately they can access our servers :]
23:28 rubenwardy well, it's better to compare quality of players
23:29 Shara I mostly don't mind where players are coming from, though did get annoyed by whichever client it was that made them pay to use privs I had granted them...
23:29 Fixer then you need to ban whole android more or less
23:30 paramat yes. can servers actually refuse entry to multicraft etc clients?
23:30 paramat i mean yes judge on quality
23:31 Shara I never managed to find out which client it was... but at one time many younger players were telling me they could not fly on my creative because it told them to pay for an upgrade for that priv.
23:31 Shara So I was paying to run server, and my players were paying someone else to use privs I granted them....
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23:32 paramat i would support servers being able to ban any undesirable client type, if they want to
23:33 Shara Would be nice.
23:34 Shara Though that's the only one so far I'd have used it on.
23:35 Shara News formspec on creative server has a permanant request to use official clients.
23:35 Grandolf hm
23:37 Grandolf <paramat> i would support servers being able to ban any undesirable client type, if they want to<this isnt nessisarily a good thing
23:37 Shara Grandolf: you missed context of what I sai dbefore
23:37 Shara It can be a good thing.
23:37 Grandolf ik
23:38 Shara I pay to run a server. I should be able to block clients designed for someone else to make money from my server.
23:38 Fixer Jordach: http://7drl.org/2017/03/12/pepe-the-frog-vs-dat-bo​i-in-the-search-of-the-lost-shadilay-7drl-success/
23:39 Jordach LOL
23:39 Shara But thankfully I didn't hear about that client in a while now
23:39 Grandolf hm
23:39 OldCoder rubenwardy, it is here. Not coming soon[tm]. Spoon, fork, or spork is to be determined.
23:39 Grandolf i was thinking MT clients
23:40 Jordach Shara, paramat so my complaints about adding one-way-trapdoor DRM was a good idea then
23:41 Shara Jordach: Don't know really. Someone else charging my players to use privs I gave them was just... well.
23:41 Shara And some of them were paying it.
23:42 Shara None of them ever offered donation to server owner of course :)
23:42 Jordach Shara, the server gets the client info: proj name; maj. num, minor. num, patch num
23:42 Jordach and commit ID
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23:43 Jordach changing the project name or hiding the commit ID becomes obvious it's a chinese client
23:43 Fixer thats why any server should have Warning on message boards about this scum
23:44 Shara Fixer: This was some time back. I wasn't really active outside my own servers back then
23:44 paramat i wouldn't necessarily support a server's use of such a feature, but i feel a server should have that power, there are many crude mobile MT forks out there
23:44 Jordach Shara, oh fuck why DID WE GET RID OF NYAN CAT NOW
23:45 Shara Jordach: LOL
23:45 Jordach >selling game access with nyan cat
23:45 Jordach >EASY DMCA
23:45 Jordach YOU FUCKING MORONS
23:45 Jordach a perfect trump card
23:45 Shara I knew where you were going soona s you said that :D
23:45 Shara I'm still so tempted to make red cat replacement...
23:46 Shara MT not having a cat in it...
23:46 Shara Jordach: Meow :(
23:46 rubenwardy you need to be the owner to send a DMCA, btw
23:46 thefamilygrog66 My server has nyan cat mobs
23:46 Jordach rubenwardy, anyone can file it
23:46 Jordach even on behalf
23:46 Shara thefamilygrog66: Yea, you can just keep the old mod, but it's not in MTG anymore. So be careful when you update
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23:56 Fixer " Fixed an apparently 1 in 10000000ish chance for a call to random(1,10) to return an 11 that must have been there for years"
23:56 Fixer kek

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