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09:11 Topic for #minetest-mods is now Welcome to #minetest-mods, a channel dedicated to Minetest modding. | http://minetest.net | http://tinyurl.com/lua-api-doc
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10:46 Jordach ello
11:11 VanessaE morninf all
11:11 VanessaE mirning*
11:20 Jordach whos using the forums? i know VanessaE is
11:20 Jordach (well was)
11:22 VanessaE I was, but I didn't see anyone else
11:23 Jordach im i the only one who gets the invisible user bug?
11:23 Jordach s/im/am
11:26 * Jordach converts moreblocks with mc textures
11:33 VanessaE invisible user
11:33 VanessaE ?
11:51 Jordach sometimes i wont appear on the user list in the main index
11:53 VanessaE odd
11:59 Jordach VanessaE; im planning on making a mega city build server
11:59 VanessaE cool
11:59 Jordach it even has worldedit
12:00 Jordach however, i made a custom node - glowstone
12:00 VanessaE meh
12:00 Jordach its there for street side lamps
12:00 VanessaE there are lots of glowing blocks out there in different mods
12:00 Jordach and we think mauvebic was right
12:00 Jordach "no fun"
12:01 VanessaE of course its fun
12:01 VanessaE the problem is when people keep re-inventing the wheel instead of making new stuff
12:01 Jordach glowstone - made from mese
12:01 Jordach and stone
12:01 VanessaE ...and a torch I hope :-)
12:02 Jordach yep
12:03 Jordach i only use 0.4.2rc-1's creative mode though
12:03 Jordach make use of minetest.zapto.org : 30000
12:03 * Jordach engages whitelist
12:05 * Jordach downloads 3d forniture
12:05 VanessaE :(
12:05 Jordach and home decor :)
12:06 VanessaE I still haven't added suport for 3dforniture to my HDX pack
12:06 VanessaE cool :-)
12:06 * Jordach tried before making a city
12:06 Jordach with own hosted server
12:08 Jordach btw; i nerfed fire
12:08 Jordach it cant burn, only decorate
12:09 Jordach (you dont wanna make a house out of wool then have it burn, do you?)
12:09 VanessaE good
12:09 VanessaE fire was a bad idea :-/
12:10 Jordach it now just sits there like a fire in a fireplace
12:10 VanessaE nice
12:10 Jordach AW MNA
12:10 Jordach man*
12:10 Jordach thunder
12:10 Jordach :(
12:11 VanessaE I even told c55 that if anything it should burn slowly and have to burn for a while near a given node befor ethat too catches fire
12:11 VanessaE (the time to burn depending on the material)
12:11 VanessaE bah, surge protector
12:12 VanessaE :)
12:14 Jordach why do the houseflies in my house always sit on mky screen......its annoying
12:14 VanessaE better that than what they do here
12:14 VanessaE they fly around in circles around the damn room
12:14 VanessaE evading my flyswatter
12:14 VanessaE brb
12:14 Jordach use an electro one >:)
12:21 * Jordach goes to pixel art server for seed
12:22 VanessaE back
12:23 Jordach better
12:23 Jordach my servers up at minetest.zapto.org 30000
12:23 VanessaE an electric flyswatter?  meh.  I have to work on my aim anyway :-)
12:23 VanessaE I swat the bastards right out of the air when I'm aiming right
12:23 Jordach electro ones are also fun with spiders
12:23 Jordach :)
12:24 Jordach hold on
12:24 Jordach some odd bug happenec
12:25 VanessaE so swat it
12:25 VanessaE ;)
12:26 Jordach im talking about my hotbar
12:26 Jordach 3dforniture and homedecor nodes (nodeboxes) have gone odd
12:26 VanessaE weird
12:27 Jordach here http://i.imgur.com/RfY7I.png
12:27 VanessaE (homedecor only uses nodeboxes for the brass lamppost and small speaker, btw)
12:27 Jordach hmm
12:27 VanessaE that looks like a texture atlas bug?
12:27 * Jordach trys again
12:28 Jordach http://imgur.com/XkF3E
12:28 VanessaE better.
12:29 Jordach its up...again
12:30 VanessaE Y U NO USE my HDX pack!? :-)
12:31 Jordach lag
12:31 Jordach memory
12:32 VanessaE even for the 64px one? :(
12:32 VanessaE (it's only like 10MB or so)
12:33 Jordach no.
12:35 VanessaE :(
12:35 VanessaE you seen the mipmap thread and the results thereof by the way?
12:36 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies​/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_1695583769.png
12:36 VanessaE (view it at 100% size)
12:37 VanessaE no more moire patterns :-)
12:37 VanessaE (mostly)
12:37 Jordach yes
12:38 * Jordach looks at trees...spits drink
12:38 VanessaE yes, they're round in 3dforniture
12:38 Jordach i meant the leaves
12:38 VanessaE oh
12:38 Jordach bleh
12:39 Jordach no tiling
12:39 VanessaE yeah I know, leaves still need work
12:39 VanessaE I need to get a better photo of them
12:39 Jordach btw make the flowers smaller
12:39 Jordach like real flowers
12:40 VanessaE hrm, I suppose I could do that
12:42 VanessaE I actually thought about putting two flowers in each texture (to give four in the world due to theplantlike raw type)
12:43 VanessaE half the size, 4x as many apparent ones
12:44 Jordach weird
12:44 Jordach why does creative inventory (0.4.2) have a stack of 49, not 99
12:45 VanessaE dunno, I thought that a bit weird too.
12:45 VanessaE plus
12:45 VanessaE it eats items in your inventory/hotbar
12:45 VanessaE (if full)
12:46 VanessaE probably the same bug that affects chests and furnaces
12:46 Jordach -- Insert half full so that a taken stack can be put back
12:46 Jordach FUCK
12:46 Jordach if i wanted rid of them id use a chest
12:46 VanessaE I just drop unwanted items into a hole in the ground and bury them when I'm done
12:47 Jordach or just /clearobjects
12:47 VanessaE let the game's too-many-entities-in-one-spot code kill them off later
12:48 Jordach actually
12:48 Jordach you can drop them back if its 99
12:48 Jordach drag em over a tol
12:48 Jordach tool*
12:48 VanessaE sigh
12:49 VanessaE so many bugs in the game these days :(
12:49 VanessaE c55 needs to do some serious refactoring
12:49 Jordach lkjoel was right
12:50 VanessaE ?
12:50 VanessaE how so>
12:50 Jordach (mijyn)
12:50 VanessaE yeah I know who he is :)
12:50 VanessaE right how
12:50 VanessaE ?
12:50 Jordach he said something
12:51 * VanessaE curses her fingers for not hitting the right keys
12:52 VanessaE something?
12:53 Jordach http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2454
12:55 VanessaE meh
12:56 VanessaE c55 has a had attitude :-/
12:56 VanessaE bad*
12:56 VanessaE and he knows it too!
12:56 VanessaE I've talked with him at length about it...somehow he can't see that he has to want to change - but he just doesn't care
12:56 VanessaE he shows all the signs of clinical depression worse than what I have
12:57 VanessaE at least I have good moods that only get spoiled by real assholes, he can't even seem to muster that much. :-/
12:57 VanessaE I love the game, and modding is a good diversion, but this crap has to stop
12:58 VanessaE I mean, look at the mipmap thing jin_xi (workflow) figured out.
12:58 Jordach i know
12:58 VanessaE incredibly simple 2 or 3 line patch and I even provided AMD64 Ubuntu builds of it.
12:58 Jordach hes following his own rules like a foss zealot
12:58 VanessaE yet he still can't be bothered to look into incorporating those changes into something user-friendly.
12:59 Jordach VanessaE; if you want building, play MC
12:59 Jordach performance is good, 200fps for me
13:00 VanessaE and now he's in one of his "weird way to be disinterested" moods
13:01 VanessaE says he has virtually zero interested, that he doesn't play much anymore, doesn't care, etc
13:01 VanessaE and yet now he's back in #minetest and on -delta again too
13:01 VanessaE and posting in the forums
13:01 VanessaE and claims his joining those channels again has no particular meaning
13:01 VanessaE BULLSHIT.
13:04 Jordach bipolar?
13:05 VanessaE no, I'd just say straight depressive.
13:05 Jordach i think we need to teleport to him
13:06 VanessaE to where>
13:06 Jordach i know his address
13:06 Jordach his own cv is in plain english
13:06 VanessaE what we need to do is find a way to get him out of the development cycle entirely but that means someone else who isn't prone to burnouts and who has some idea of what the players actually want has to take over
13:07 Jordach any ideas?
13:07 Jordach i dont generally burn out
13:07 Jordach see my attempts at metals
13:07 VanessaE no, but you get upset a lot
13:07 Jordach or simplistic modding (need to do)
13:07 Jordach i just do it for a laugh
13:07 Jordach (i piss around often)
13:07 VanessaE vicscand is doing some serious work on it though
13:08 Jordach i knpw
13:08 Jordach know
13:08 VanessaE between him and darkrose, we have the potential to fix this damn game
13:08 Jordach celeron should just nod head to ideas
13:08 Jordach not code himself
13:09 VanessaE I've seen videos of what irrlicht can do - amazing stuff.  and yet c55 insists on wallowing in the backwash of 1995-era graphcis >:-(
13:09 Jordach VanessaE - 2007 gpu here
13:09 VanessaE 2010 GPU here, and I'm lucky to get 50fps with default textures.
13:09 Jordach and im pulling 170-200 fps in other games
13:09 VanessaE (actually I get about the same with my HDX pack)
13:10 Jordach (red eclipse, minecraft, openarena, hedgewars, team fortress 2, ace of spades)
13:11 VanessaE *nod* I know
13:11 Jordach http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2908 c55 blasting
13:11 VanessaE openarena, torcs, tuxracer all max out my card with CPU to spare
13:12 Jordach loltuxracer
13:12 VanessaE *extreme* tuxracer :-)
13:12 VanessaE point is, these are not low-poly games at all
13:12 VanessaE and they're fast.
13:12 Jordach even mc makes a damn difference
13:13 Jordach 512px pack in less than 257mb of ram
13:13 Jordach and no overhead
13:13 VanessaE yup
13:13 VanessaE fucking wasteful
13:13 Jordach you should play mc
13:13 VanessaE and vic when last I saw him, thought he found a possible cause or two of the memory leaks
13:14 VanessaE he's already reduced the CPU usage by 5 or 10% now
13:14 Jordach once i get my cpp course out of the way and done - ill see about some fixes too
13:14 Jordach 6 days until i start it
13:14 VanessaE cool
13:14 Jordach its before a university degree, but above a high school award
13:15 VanessaE undergraduate stuff?
13:15 Jordach a-level
13:15 VanessaE ("community college")
13:15 Jordach you forgot your coma
13:15 Jordach comma
13:16 VanessaE haha
13:16 Jordach should be ('community_college'),
13:17 Jordach our point is; we need 0.4.2rc-2 or something
13:17 Jordach we cant be hanging forever
13:24 Jordach http://ace-spades.com/ that game gets great updates
13:31 Jordach VanessaE; one day c55 will wake up and realise that his own game needs attention.
13:32 VanessaE yeah
13:36 Jordach mijyn is working on this https://github.com/MiJyn/relinux
13:36 Jordach its a way to make a gui for linux i think
13:36 Jordach or a full OS
13:36 VanessaE interesting
14:02 Jordach yay.
14:03 Jordach my 30'' led hdtv arrived!
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16:41 * Jordach is making some 8-bit goodies
16:48 Jordach i always output my stuff at 320kbps
19:14 VanessaE 30" HDTV?  meh.  I use a 100.something inch HD projection system :-)
19:14 VanessaE (it was cheaper than buying a TV)
19:42 Jordach explains homedecor then
19:42 Jordach btw
19:42 VanessaE haha
19:43 Jordach my building world is public - i may only give privs to trusted people
19:43 VanessaE yep, that explains the projection screen ;-)
19:43 Jordach like you.
19:50 Jordach there
19:50 Jordach made a forum post
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19:59 NekoGloop LandMine, i thought you didnt care. shut up and act your age.
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20:48 Jordach i found landmines living area
20:48 Jordach 189.144.172.43 is from Mexico(MX) in region North America
20:49 VanessaE Jordach: most likely a proxt
20:49 VanessaE proxy
20:50 Jordach proxies usually cant handle a web irc
20:50 Jordach fact.
20:52 VanessaE doesn't matter anyway, a little judicious use of class B or even whole class-A blocking will get rid of him in short order
20:53 VanessaE he doesn't understand networking at all evidently
20:53 VanessaE every piece of hardware attached to the internet has an IP address, even if you go through a proxy, TOR, etc.  Someone with a real IP has to pass that data on sooner or later.
20:54 VanessaE and that's the IP we see here
20:57 Jordach i also suspect keegan is running linux, or at least some distro
20:58 Jordach because i know for a fact windows boxes cant be ssh closed
20:59 Jordach (minetestserver)
20:59 VanessaE he runs Ubuntu
20:59 VanessaE currently, Lucid.  He will be upgrading to Precise soon.
20:59 Jordach VMC
20:59 Jordach *facepalm*
20:59 VanessaE it's not an ssh issue
20:59 VanessaE it's that old furnace-is-full bug.
20:59 VanessaE I looked at his server logs
21:00 VanessaE he's just out of date is all
21:00 VanessaE so we'll get him up to date so at least that much works and landmine can't shut his server down anymore.
21:00 Jordach btw http://network-tools.com/default.asp​?prog=trace&host=189.144.172.43
21:00 VanessaE I know he's banned from your servers btw.  Just trying to do something to turn that messa rounf
21:00 Jordach use that to whittle him down
21:00 VanessaE mess around*
21:01 Jordach relevant to keegan http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1335744
21:05 Jordach i even have a hacking defense
21:05 Jordach 2x routers
21:06 Jordach 1st is the isp box
21:06 Jordach 2nd is the one my tower is attached to
21:07 Jordach fixed the full furnace bug
21:07 Jordach (my pc locally and server wise)
21:08 VanessaE c55 fixed that in git days ago :)
21:08 Jordach i know
21:08 Jordach i just did rubenwardy's method
21:08 Jordach VanessaE, can you test my network?
21:08 Jordach minetest.zapto.org :30000
21:09 Jordach 0.4.2-rc1 btw
21:09 VanessaE checking\
21:10 VanessaE no good.
21:10 Jordach damn
21:10 Jordach 1st box needs to port fwd to 2nd
21:10 VanessaE right
21:10 Jordach 5 secs
21:10 Jordach disconnecting 2nd router
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21:13 LandMine wtf you want jordach?
21:14 JOrdach2_ right, you are one of the most creative people i know
21:16 Jordach better
21:16 LandMine ok? and
21:17 Jordach you should do more creative stuff
21:17 Jordach i like em
21:18 Jordach you should map more often
21:18 LandMine uhhhhh you know most of every thing i post is taken from stuff i see on minecraft right?
21:18 LandMine so im not very creative
21:18 LandMine i just copy very well
21:20 Jordach but you at least come up with something thats decent
21:20 Jordach and you pixel art well
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21:23 LandMine ok
21:23 LandMine so thats what you wanted to say?
21:23 LandMine i thought you were gonna thank me for taking care of that keegan kid
21:23 JOrdach2 thank you for coming back
21:24 JOrdach2 VanessaE, try again
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21:24 JOrdach2 try minetest.zapto.org : 30000
21:26 LandMine me? on 4.1 or 4.1 rc2?
21:26 Jordach yes
21:26 Jordach 0.4.2
21:27 Jordach if not; try 81.155.110.55
21:27 VanessaE brb
21:27 VanessaE working on something
21:27 Jordach kay
21:27 LandMine doesnt connect
21:27 Jordach damn
21:28 Jordach try again
21:28 Jordach just dmz'd my tower
21:28 VanessaE Jordach: no good.
21:28 Jordach it worked before
21:29 Jordach ill look into this tomorrow
21:29 Jordach LandMine, ill see about letting you build with me
21:30 LandMine you say it like if i wanted to do it to begin with
21:31 Jordach here was my original attempt at a server http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1033
21:32 Jordach my connection was bad
21:32 Jordach LandMine; if you manage two weeks without any evil; a free interact waits for you/
21:33 LandMine i dont want interact
21:33 LandMine and i dont think i can last 2 weeks without doing somehting evil
21:33 Jordach you will
21:33 Jordach and i need sleep
21:33 Jordach night y'all
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22:06 sdzen huh i didnt know this channel existed
22:06 PilzAdam please dont tell it evryone it should stay as a modding channel
22:07 NekoGloop oh?
22:07 NekoGloop someone here is active :)
22:10 sdzen okay
22:10 sdzen i just saw it on the forums
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23:34 Keegann hello
23:37 Keegann hello
23:37 Keegann if you see LandMine i need his IP address form minetest and IRC
23:38 NekoGloop you know that wont work, right?
23:39 Keegann OldCoder wants it... so i dont know why he wants it
23:39 NekoGloop LandMine: 189.144.104.72 LandMine_: 189.144.131.105
23:39 NekoGloop same person, two IPs.

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