Time  Nick          Message
00:44 nonporous     omg modding this game is so easy
00:44 nonporous     at least the beginner stuff
00:45 nonporous     i was not expecting this
01:13 NakedFury     yeah its easy
15:51 jordach       marktraceur, VanessaE, is it possible to replace a node with any mod item?
15:51 jordach       crafting wise
15:52 marktraceur   jordach: Could you be more specific?
15:52 jordach       okay:
15:52 jordach       hold on
15:54 VanessaE      simple:  when you harvest a wool "flower", have it drop a cotton ball.
15:54 VanessaE      (using the drop = function)
15:54 VanessaE      then just never spawn anymore such "flowers" :-)
15:54 jordach       nononononononononononono
15:54 jordach       WRONG
15:55 jordach       http://i.imgur.com/4wCSF.png
15:55 VanessaE      well out with it then :-)
15:55 jordach       VanessaE, see link
15:56 VanessaE      er
15:56 jordach       use a function?
15:56 VanessaE      you mean internally, translating wool:red to wool:black?
15:56 jordach       no
15:56 jordach       i want red wool to become black using the dyes
15:56 jordach       but then i change my mind and want blue
15:57 jordach       i want to change the colour at will using the dyes
15:57 VanessaE      ohhhh
15:57 marktraceur   jordach: Loop! Loop over all colors, and all other colors, make craft recipes for them.
15:57 marktraceur   And while you're at it, make "on_use" functions for them
15:57 jordach       marktraceur, ill write the base code, you do the loops
15:58 marktraceur   Noooo
15:58 marktraceur   Busy
15:58 jordach       (same for rollercoasters and lua)
15:59 VanessaE      I probably should make a text file that lists all of the dyes' RGB colors
16:00 VanessaE      you'll need either that or an extract of the center pixel of each texture, for accurate color matching
16:01 jordach       VanessaE, gimp some 16 by 16s
16:01 VanessaE      eh?
16:02 jordach       btw: make a transparent layer -> use filter: rgb noise - turn all sliders up = texture
16:03 VanessaE      I use a similar (though less drastic) technique for adding texture to an image.  A little noise goes a long way toward making a rendered image look real.
16:05 jordach       aye
16:07 jordach       oh btw: wool will be called cotton from now on
16:11 VanessaE      sounds fine to me.
16:11 VanessaE      give me a few more minutes, I'm working on that text file I mentioned.
16:11 jordach       since the cotton flower in flowers exists
16:13 jordach       whats a comment in lua
16:13 marktraceur   jordach: -- comment
16:14 jordach       sorry, ive forgotten
16:14 marktraceur   -- so this whole line would be a comment
16:14 marktraceur   --[[ and until I put the closing characters
16:14 marktraceur   these lines are comments
16:14 marktraceur   here is the close: ]]--
16:14 NakedFury     --[[ I want to comment like a boss
16:14 NakedFury     using several lines
16:14 NakedFury     now I close
16:14 jordach       actually just -- on its own works for me
16:14 NakedFury     --]]
16:15 marktraceur   jordach: Yes. That's what "-- so this whole line would be a comment" meant
16:15 jordach       yup
16:16 jordach       VanessaE, is the flowers mod updated to work with the latest?
16:18 * jordach     know knows it is
16:19 cornernote    hi
16:19 VanessaE      yes
16:20 cornernote    if i have an array like this option={myvar='test123'} .. how do i refer to the value of myvar ?  option['myvar'], option:myvar, ?
16:20 marktraceur   cornernote: option.myvar usually
16:20 jordach       oh dear
16:21 jordach       i can query myself
16:25 jordach       VanessaE, your text document?
16:26 VanessaE      working on it...
16:26 VanessaE      jut trying to get the formatting just right
16:26 jordach       sigh
16:26 jordach       i dont care for formatting
16:26 VanessaE      I do. :-)
16:26 jordach       and this is why the industry has gone down the shitter
16:26 jordach       too much attention to details
16:26 NakedFury     its all in the details
16:27 jordach       nope
16:27 jordach       see: your mother
16:29 marktraceur   jordach: "the industry": coal mining?
16:30 jordach       ha
16:35 khonkhortisan cornernote: I believe it's option.myvar
16:35 khonkhortisan oops it was already answered
16:38 cornernote    yeah, that works... but passing the var into the method is giving me an issue... i'll pastebin
16:43 cornernote    http://pastebin.com/6JKVGE0G
16:49 VanessaE      jordach: dcc?
16:50 VanessaE      grab this file.
16:50 khonkhortisan if _r = .r and .r = function, wouldn't that  make _r = function?
16:51 VanessaE      http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/colors.txt
16:51 VanessaE      http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/listcolors.sh
16:51 VanessaE      jordach: ^^^^^^^
16:51 VanessaE      the first is the file you want.  the second is the script that I wrote to generate it.
16:52 VanessaE      (greys are hard-coded, not extracted from the textures, because the pixel locations aren't predictable)
16:53 marktraceur   cornernote: Because you're accessing minetest.log from within a member of minetest?
16:53 marktraceur   cornernote: Try self.log or something
16:54 khonkhortisan maybe options[1]
16:54 cornernote    i think the problem is here
16:54 cornernote    local mtrc_bak = minetest.register_craft
16:54 cornernote    should it be more like this?  (im probably wrong, just stabbing in the dark)
16:54 cornernote    local mtrc_bak(options) = minetest.register_craft(options)
16:55 marktraceur   Nope
16:55 cornernote    cos it seems the params are getting messed up when i override the function
16:55 khonkhortisan not including the arguments makes it take the same arguments
16:56 cornernote    ok
16:57 marktraceur   No
16:57 marktraceur   It's because if you do minetest.register_craft(options), that's a function call
16:58 marktraceur   cornernote: In Lua, functions are objects. The definition of the function is always the same, no matter how many times you pass the function around
16:59 jk_           can i make a craft area accept only certain types of things?
17:02 cornernote    maybe its because minetest.register_craft is not a real lua function ?
17:03 cornernote    so it cant be copied in the same way as other objects ?
17:04 marktraceur   cornernote: No, it's real
17:04 cornernote    the code all works, except if i change the definition and call of myfunction to minetest.register_craft .. then it fails
17:04 marktraceur   What's the exact error you get?
17:05 cornernote    attempt to concatinate field output
17:05 cornernote    which is here:  minetest.register_craft = function (options) minetest.log("action", "REGISTER CRAFT - "..options.output) end
17:05 marktraceur   Right
17:05 cornernote    rename minetest.register_craft to myfunc and it works fine
17:06 marktraceur   cornernote: Can you do a print(options.output) the line before, and see what it spits out?
17:10 cornernote    any way i can print options ?
17:10 cornernote    eg, in php i have print_r()
17:10 cornernote    i think the problem is that options.output is not always set
17:13 cornernote    yeah, thats it!
17:13 cornernote    sometimes there is options.type=fuel .. and it has no options.output
17:15 cornernote    how do i check if an object has a property ?
17:16 marktraceur   cornernote: if options and options.output then do_something() end
17:16 marktraceur   cornernote: Or if options.output ~= nil then do_otherthing() end
17:17 khonkhortisan How can I get the current time (to about the 0.001 (or 0.01) seconds) ?
17:18 cornernote    marktraceur, oh snap!  it works
17:18 cornernote    thanks so much!
17:19 khonkhortisan I want to process on_generated through on_step so I don't completely slow the game down and I want to stop if I go over half dtime
17:21 marktraceur   cornernote: Gratz!
17:21 marktraceur   And my pleasure :)
17:24 jk_           get_timeofday() in EnvRef class on line 940 of the api doc https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
17:25 jk_           d'oh, thats in the topic already
17:25 marktraceur   jk_: And everyone has a copy on their computer, if they have minetest's codebase
17:29 jordach       marktraceur, i have no idea on loops
17:30 jordach       i give up on loops
17:31 khonkhortisan until a do b end      unless c then b end
17:32 marktraceur   jordach: Don't give up on loops! They're very important :)
17:32 jordach       no sir
17:32 jordach       that can be your job if you like
17:32 khonkhortisan which loops in particular?
17:33 marktraceur   jordach: So what you're saying is, you don't understand looping, but you want to fork minetest and make it better than before? No make sense.
17:33 jordach       marktraceur, LUA = syntax
17:33 * jordach     hates syntax
17:33 jk_           schemer?
17:33 jordach       cpp at least is easier than that
17:34 marktraceur   jordach: It's like bash with syntax. You've used bash, right?
17:34 * jordach     uses windows
17:35 * jordach     once used bash, but for about a month before giving up
17:35 khonkhortisan scheme has pherentheses everywhere
17:35 jk_           but if you hate loops and syntax it is a solid contender
17:36 marktraceur   jordach: You should stop giving up on useful technology :)
17:36 khonkhortisan it makes you do part of the job the interpreter normally does
18:08 jordach       khonkhortisan, marktraceur - the only loops i like are the kp snacks variety
18:11 jordach       marktraceur, could you give me an example of the loops
18:12 khonkhortisan in lua I can write end})
18:13 khonkhortisan or better yet end,})
18:14 marktraceur   jordach: https://gitorious.org/marktraceur-minetest-mods/moreores
18:14 jordach       what do the moreores loops do
18:14 marktraceur   jordach: The loops in moreores will define all of the orese
18:14 marktraceur   ores*
18:15 jordach       i dont understand
18:15 marktraceur   jordach: What don't you understand?
18:15 jordach       all of it
18:16 marktraceur   jordach: It's a simple structure....if you don't understand any of that, then you need to learn to program before reading it.
18:16 jordach       i can program, fucks sakes
18:16 marktraceur   jordach: Then what don't you understand?
18:17 jordach       i cant find where the loop is placed
18:17 marktraceur   jordach: For example, https://gitorious.org/marktraceur-minetest-mods/moreores/blobs/master/init.lua#line31
18:17 marktraceur   A for loop.
18:17 marktraceur   Also, https://gitorious.org/marktraceur-minetest-mods/moreores/blobs/master/init.lua#line133
18:18 marktraceur   Also, https://gitorious.org/marktraceur-minetest-mods/moreores/blobs/master/init.lua#line333
18:19 jordach       marktraceur, moreores is complicated to someone who has not seen loops
18:19 marktraceur   jordach: Maybe so
18:19 marktraceur   But since you've seen loops in C++ before, I figured you'd be OK
18:19 jordach       all i want is it to work in the crafrting grid
18:19 jordach       marktraceur, i dislike loops - on this occaision, lua ones are horrible
18:20 jordach       i need a crafting grid example
18:20 jordach       (that is SIMPLE and has commented syntax)
18:20 marktraceur   jordach: If you refuse to learn one of the most important structures in programming, stop programming now and get a different job.
18:21 jordach       marktraceur, i understand by using things, not looking and remembering details
18:21 jordach       and a quick and dirty loop shant be hard
18:21 marktraceur   jordach: So copy what I did, make it work for a different table
18:22 jordach       your using TOOLS and im using the crafting grid
18:23 marktraceur   jordach: To the computer, it's just ones and zeroes.
18:23 jordach       ikr
18:23 jordach       0000000
18:23 marktraceur   Toss it a different table, it will still loop.
18:23 jordach       = 0#
18:23 jordach       marktraceur, lua is badly designed
18:24 jordach       marktraceur, you also fail comments
18:24 marktraceur   jordach: I can't say I believe you, since you can't understand for loops
18:24 jordach       i learn by seeing and doing, see http://scratch.mit.edu/users/jordach and hit my landgen
18:25 marktraceur   jordach: I'm not terribly interested, since you are totally unwilling to DO anything
18:25 jordach       i am
18:25 marktraceur   Take the code I gave you, the for loop
18:25 jordach       but i need CLARITY
18:25 marktraceur   And *do* something with it
18:25 marktraceur   jordach: It's a loop. Do you understand for loops or not?
18:25 jordach       yes
18:26 jordach       loops run until their criteria is correct
18:26 jordach       or true in this case
18:26 marktraceur   jordach: OK
18:26 jordach       i understand the reading, but writing is weird to me
18:26 marktraceur   jordach: In Lua, and in Python, and sometimes in JavaScript, you can run a for loop for each item in a sequence
18:26 marktraceur   In this case, the for loop executes once for each element in the table
18:27 jordach       yes aha
18:27 marktraceur   And since the table in these cases is indexed by a string, I use the function pairs() to give me 2-tuples with the string index and the value I'm accessing
18:28 marktraceur   So "for i, val in pairs(strtable)" will start a for loop, and for each execution, the variable "i" will have the index, "val" will have the value
18:29 marktraceur   jordach: In the future, "the syntax for the for loop doesn't make sense to me, here's how I understand it" is a lot easier for me to understand, and a lot more productive, than "FUCK LUA IT SUCKS WTF WERE THESE PEOPLE THINKING"
18:29 marktraceur   And infinitely better than "I GIVE UP YOU DO IT FOR ME"
18:30 jordach       ok
18:31 jordach       or just go rambo and write every possible combination
18:32 jordach       alright
18:32 jordach       loops it is
18:33 jordach       otherwise im doing: 11628 craft/node defs
18:34 jordach       i want something like "wool:***", "unifieddyes:<colour>" if that makes sense to yoi
18:34 marktraceur   jordach: Sounds like you might run into some serious problems
18:34 marktraceur   VanessaE keeps hitting an upper limit of node definitions
18:35 jordach       there are 77 nodes in all
18:35 jordach       but
18:35 jordach       77 + 76
18:35 jordach       is the dyes on one block of wool
18:35 jordach       so: 77 + 76 * 76 = 11628
18:36 jordach       77 nodes + 76 dyes * 76 other node craft defs =
18:36 marktraceur   Hm
18:36 marktraceur   You'd just need to change between nodes, methinks
18:38 marktraceur   jordach: What exactly are you trying to accomplish, again?
18:38 jordach       <jordach> i want red wool to become black using the dyes
18:38 jordach       <jordach> but then i change my mind and want blue
18:38 jordach       <jordach> i want to change the colour at will using the dyes
18:39 jordach       via the crafting grid
18:39 * jordach     thinks there is a misunderstanding
18:39 marktraceur   jordach: No, I get it
18:39 jordach       ah
18:39 NakedFury     you want to change colors once its been painted?
18:39 marktraceur   I agree, you need to define 77 * 76 crafting recipes
18:39 jordach       so, i dig this random blue block
18:39 marktraceur   But not many nodes
18:40 jordach       marktraceur, 76 because white is from the flower#
18:40 marktraceur   I think I misunderstand that
18:40 jordach       and i want it a different colour: so i move it to my crafting grid and add blue to it; it becomes a blue block
18:45 jordach       mark, http://i.imgur.com/4wCSF.png
18:47 marktraceur   I've seen that
18:47 jordach       and do the same again
18:48 marktraceur   jordach: I fail to see why you couldn't make 77 * 76 crafting recipes (76 recipes for each node to be crafted into a different color)
18:48 marktraceur   That should be all you need
18:48 marktraceur   It's a lot, sure, over 5000 recipes, but it would work
18:48 jordach       5852 to be exact
18:48 jordach       think of all those lines
18:48 jordach       O_O
18:49 jordach       thats a hefty mod
18:49 marktraceur   jordach: With a for loop, it's quick!
18:49 jordach       thats what i want
18:49 marktraceur   I mean, it'll be a lot of definitions, but it won't take long to write
18:49 jordach       ill write the node defs first
18:49 jordach       as minetest.register_node
18:50 marktraceur   jordach: How many node defs?
18:50 jordach       77#
18:50 marktraceur   Good
18:50 jordach       http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/colors.txt all of these
18:50 marktraceur   (wanted to sanity check, wasn't sure I had understood)
18:50 jordach       haha very funny#
18:50 marktraceur   jordach: Might be good to make a table, then loop through it
18:50 marktraceur   Then you can remove and add colors at will
18:50 jordach       hm
18:51 jordach       thought
18:51 jordach       seen the mapgen.lua in default
18:51 jordach       or even in stairs
18:51 jordach       that has a function to add nodes
18:52 jordach       see http://pastebin.com/g13v3MaB
18:52 jordach       and i get that
18:53 marktraceur   Yeah
18:53 marktraceur   You could write something like that to simplify what you're doing
18:53 jordach       ikr
18:53 jordach       crafts
18:53 jordach       hmm
18:53 jordach       we get stuck at the crafting stage
18:54 jordach       if the function is a table, could we use the nodes in this for crafting?
18:55 jordach       THATS IT
18:55 jordach       BINGO
18:55 jordach       i can write white to the 76 nodes
18:55 jordach       making this slightly shorter
18:56 marktraceur   Um, wat?
18:57 jordach       by making a function similar to stairs
18:57 jordach       i can simply write a code that makes white into all of the colours
18:58 marktraceur   I suppose
18:58 marktraceur   But you couldn't dye black red, then
19:01 jordach       ik,
19:02 cornernote    ok, WOOT
19:02 cornernote    i finished my module
19:02 cornernote    in-game build instructions for any add-on mods  =) =)
19:03 marktraceur   cornernote: Link?
19:04 jordach       marktraceur, mcs engine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKC1skLtbiI&feature=youtu.be
19:07 marktraceur   jordach: 'd rather not
19:07 jordach       wait
19:07 * jordach     is stupid
19:07 * jordach     notices
19:07 jordach       mc wool dont crossover
19:07 jordach       (my system was likewise)
19:07 jordach       FUCK FUCK
19:08 jordach       FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
19:08 marktraceur   How bad can it possibly be?
19:08 jordach       its simple
19:08 jordach       too simple
19:09 cornernote    marktraceur (and anyone else who wants to take a look) ... heres the working code: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=30726#p30726
19:10 cornernote    im pretty blood impressed with myself =)
19:10 cornernote    im sure there is room for improvement... but not a bad 1st mod
19:11 marktraceur   cornernote: There is already a place for registered crafting recipes
19:11 cornernote    thanks for showing me how to override a function, couldn't have done it without that
19:11 marktraceur   While it's cool that you can, you didn't need to override minetest.register_craft
19:11 cornernote    hahaha, NOW you tell me... i was looking for that for hours
19:11 marktraceur   cornernote: I didn't realize that's what you wanted, sorry
19:12 cornernote    its cool... the rest of the code will stay the same
19:12 cornernote    how do i get to the register of crafts ?
19:12 marktraceur   Let me find it, hold
19:12 cornernote    and also, did you try the mod, or just reading it ?
19:13 marktraceur   Hrm
19:13 marktraceur   Oh, just reading it
19:13 cornernote    would love if you could give it a whirl
19:13 marktraceur   Soooo I lied
19:13 cornernote    yeah, no register
19:14 marktraceur   There's not a table, he implemented it as a get_craft_result function that gets the result of something
19:14 cornernote    i read through the c code and i couldnt see a way
19:14 cornernote    yep
19:14 cornernote    you cant tell it the output and get back the recipe array
19:14 marktraceur   Oh, lol, darkrose just submitted a pull request
19:14 marktraceur   https://github.com/darkrose/minetest
19:14 marktraceur   cornernote: ^ that repository has get_craft_recipe
19:15 cornernote    i cant compile, im on windows
19:15 cornernote    i'll update the mod when that becomes a method in the release
19:15 cornernote    for now the method override works perfect
19:16 cornernote    it even seems to be loaded before any of the calls to register_craft
19:16 cornernote    and so cool ingame... i can see how to make a coke sign without having to troll the forums =)
19:17 marktraceur   cornernote: Hm.
19:17 marktraceur   I'm skeptical
19:17 cornernote    should make it better for mod devs too... they dont have to screenshot every build item
19:17 cornernote    yeah, maybe its not before ANY others
19:17 cornernote    im new to the game so i dont see whats missing, only whats there
19:17 marktraceur   cornernote: For example, do you get the recipes for stone, wood, etc. pickaxes?
19:17 cornernote    no, not the axes
19:18 cornernote    how about this...   i make default be dependant on my mod ?
19:18 cornernote    can you even do that ?
19:18 marktraceur   No, not even close
19:19 cornernote    wishful thinking
19:19 cornernote    i didnt think i would even get this far
19:19 marktraceur   Ha
19:19 cornernote    so even tho its not ALL items, its many
19:19 marktraceur   Don't be so hard on yourself :)
19:20 cornernote    so for now, unless you have any ideas to make it load earlier in the runtime, i think i'll leave it as is for people to play with
19:46 cornernote    marktraceur, if you edit default, put the method override at the top... you get all the items !
19:46 cornernote    pickaxes, shovels, swords, paper... everything =)
19:46 marktraceur   cornernote: True, but you also need to get c55 to pull your change, else it will never work
19:58 cornernote    but my change needs my whole mod, i dont think thats the right thing to do
19:58 cornernote    i think we need a hook in default so we can tell it to load something first
19:59 marktraceur   Hm, maybe
19:59 marktraceur   Or maybe just a sane way to access craft recipes
19:59 cornernote    haha, yea that too
19:59 cornernote    i put a screenshot up
20:09 marktraceur   Ironic, considering your purpose was to avoid that practice
20:11 cornernote    lol
20:11 cornernote    and i didnt even take a ss of the item in my own mod!!!
20:12 cornernote    5:45am .. too much game coding
20:12 * cornernote  sleep now
20:20 marktraceur   Night!
20:20 * marktraceur looks at clock
20:20 marktraceur   13:20 here
20:21 marktraceur   What magical place do you live, where the time is GMT-15:45?
20:21 marktraceur   Or rather, GMT+9:25
20:22 marktraceur   Or rather, GMT+9.5
20:22 marktraceur   cornernote: Central Australia?
20:30 khonkhortisan If I take too long in register_globalstep can they overlap or does it just skip some?
20:32 marktraceur   khonkhortisan: What are you doing that takes that long?
20:33 khonkhortisan replacing pointy nodes with smooth ones
20:33 marktraceur   khonkhortisan: And why should that take any longer than a few milliseconds?
20:35 khonkhortisan I was replacing the whole block in on_generated and that made the game slow, so now I'm processing it a layer at a time in on_globalstep. Each check checks the neighbor nodes.
20:36 marktraceur   khonkhortisan: What exactly are you trying to accomplish, here?
20:36 khonkhortisan smoothing the ground
20:36 marktraceur   Replacing all instances of one_node with another_node or something?
20:36 khonkhortisan based on its neighbors, yes
20:36 marktraceur   So default:dirt becomes somemod:dirt_smooth?
20:36 marktraceur   Oh, conditionally
20:37 khonkhortisan yes, with multiple variances on smooth and with stone, sand, etc
20:37 marktraceur   khonkhortisan: I don't think it makes sense to do it other than in on_generated
20:38 marktraceur   Maybe if you post that code we can figure out why it's slow
20:38 khonkhortisan okay I'll put it in on_generated again to show you
20:40 marktraceur   khonkhortisan: You should probably use a git repo to keep track of this stuff
20:41 marktraceur   That way you can switch between branches rather than moving code manually
20:43 jordach       ngiht
20:43 jordach       marktraceur, thanks for the help
20:45 khonkhortisan http://pastebin.com/fY7iJxQX
20:45 khonkhortisan what git repo do you recommend?
20:46 marktraceur   khonkhortisan: I recommend you download git, go through a tutorial, and be done with it
20:46 marktraceur   khonkhortisan: The vanilla git should be enough
20:46 khonkhortisan oh I thought you meant a website
20:48 VanessaE      smoothground?
20:48 marktraceur   khonkhortisan: Nope, the command line should be enough to simplify your life
20:48 khonkhortisan yes that's the name I came up with
20:48 VanessaE      as in mesh-style ground instead of blocks?
20:49 khonkhortisan no as in multiple-nodebox-style ground. I'd need to patch minetest to get a real mesh face like with water
20:49 marktraceur   Waaaaaiiiiit
20:49 khonkhortisan what?
20:49 marktraceur   You're adding in upwards of 10 nodeboxes per node?
20:49 marktraceur   *and* defining different nodes for each different situation?
20:50 khonkhortisan depends on the divisions, but yes
20:50 khonkhortisan 5 different shapes
20:50 marktraceur   10 nodeboxes is a *lot*
20:50 marktraceur   Especially if you're doing this very frequently
20:51 khonkhortisan how many I define or how many I place?
20:51 NakedFury     what do you mean by slant and corner in and out?
20:52 marktraceur   khonkhortisan: If you're placing a lot of nodeboxes, it'll affect performance
20:53 khonkhortisan slant is a wedge, corner out is for convex corners, corner in is for concave corners
20:53 NakedFury     http://gnomoria.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/preview.png something like in that picture
20:54 khonkhortisan yes that has slant and corner_in but it's missing corner_out
20:54 NakedFury     ok I understand now
20:54 NakedFury     you want the game world generator to create that?
20:55 VanessaE      that's actually not so bad, though mark's right re: nodebox usage
20:55 khonkhortisan I was processing it after it was generated, but it would be nice if it just made it that way
20:55 NakedFury     I think in the end that would be better done in the source defining a new node
20:56 khonkhortisan yes I'm defining nodes separately from placing them
20:57 khonkhortisan water be in the shape if a wedge but dirt can't
20:57 khonkhortisan *water can be
20:57 khonkhortisan *of a wedge
20:59 khonkhortisan there was another mod for roofing that used many more nodeboxes
20:59 VanessaE      "irregular" and "slopes", respectively.
20:59 VanessaE      for cylinders and wedges.
21:00 VanessaE      (though in homedecor, I just use raillike for the roofing)
21:00 khonkhortisan do the sides still show up?
21:04 VanessaE      on mine? no.  in slopes, yes.
21:05 NakedFury     this project would need and update to nodboxes that adds texture where you want them
21:10 khonkhortisan your zip has files~
21:15 VanessaE      eh?
21:16 khonkhortisan crafts.lua crafts.lua~ exterior_door_fancy.lua exterior_door_fancy.lua~ init.lua init.lua~
21:16 VanessaE      oh
21:16 VanessaE      ignore 'em
21:16 VanessaE      (or delete)
21:16 khonkhortisan and listnodes.sh doesn't cd to itself first
21:16 VanessaE      they're leftovers from the editor
21:16 khonkhortisan I ran ./homedecor/listnodes.sh and got a nearly empty file
21:16 VanessaE      listnodes.sh is meant to be used from within the homedecor directory.
21:24 * marktraceur is starting to be disgusted by the word "this"
21:24 marktraceur   Too much JavaScript today
21:27 * marktraceur needs to figure out the minimum height of the world
21:27 marktraceur   ....but how....
21:27 NakedFury     go to it
21:27 NakedFury     mining
21:28 marktraceur   NakedFury: New space will be generated
21:28 VanessaE      brute force:  read off the world seed and start generating :-)
21:28 VanessaE      naw maybe not
21:28 VanessaE      :)
21:28 marktraceur   I'm thinking I'll just compute my location and use minetestmapper as a base, then go down until CONTENT_IGNORE
21:30 marktraceur   Ha! Wrong channel.
23:18 khonkhortisan why when I make a nodebox is it slightly darker than the surrounding nodes?
23:21 VanessaE      because it doesn't use smooth lighting
23:21 khonkhortisan Can I make it the same brightness?
23:21 VanessaE      nope.
23:21 VanessaE      no matter how hard you try they won't match the surroundings until c55 fixes the problem
23:23 khonkhortisan I changed the source a little so drawtype = 'meshlike' makes an invisible node
23:23 VanessaE      homedecor has the same problem with the round brass lampposts (and a lesser issue with the small "surround sound" speaker objectg)
23:25 khonkhortisan a patch counts as a mod, right?
23:28 VanessaE      technically yes but in the normal definition, no :-)
23:29 VanessaE      if you're gonna patch the source, it's better to check out a whole copy of the game, patch that copy, then commit the results to your own personal git repository, then issue a pull request against c55's vanilla repos
23:30 VanessaE      that way if c55 likes the changes, he can incorporate them into his official branch, freeing you to focus on whatever comes next.