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| 14:18 |
VanessaE |
so is this chan officially dead? time to kick-ban everyone? :) |
| 14:48 |
shivajiva |
lol |
| 14:51 |
shivajiva |
the channel was a collab between celeron55 and Shara, I expect that they both have a say in it's continuation/demise |
| 14:56 |
shivajiva |
not that anything much happens here, it's hardly a hub of activity =) |
| 14:57 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> It was supposed to be "#minetest but with less noise" or something, right? I suppose if #minetest ever gets enough noise again then it could be useful... |
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shivajiva |
it was meant to be a channel where the more mature members collaborated with development, without the noise of the kids fighting |
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| 15:00 |
shivajiva |
server owners and modders alike in a friendly channel where some social etiquette was maintained |
| 15:02 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Presumably then you could treat this place like a bomb shelter; hang out in #minetest under normal conditions, and only retreat in here if things start to get bad there... |
| 15:04 |
shivajiva |
most of the people in this channel do exactly that afaik |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> It’s basically -dev without the suits and business wear |
| 15:21 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> This is the jeans and popped collars channel by comparison |
| 15:25 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> That said I’m glad hub exists because fuck roblox kiddies and Minecraft kiddies |
| 15:31 |
shivajiva |
lmao |
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| 15:35 |
shivajiva |
I'd be happy to see more content here but if it's not serving a purpose then it's a waste of resources. |
| 15:42 |
shivajiva |
server owners need a place to report shenanigans that's not broadcast, so there is a sense of community to the mostly thankless task, -hub no longer seems to fulfil that function |
| 15:56 |
celeron55 |
it still goes to discord, that should be fixed |
| 15:56 |
shivajiva |
indeedly |
| 15:59 |
celeron55 |
well, anyway, one option for this channel is to drop discord from here |
| 15:59 |
celeron55 |
then the function of this channel is to be the channel that isn't on discord |
| 15:59 |
celeron55 |
might be nonsense |
| 15:59 |
celeron55 |
i.e. one more reason to not use this for anything |
| 16:09 |
shivajiva |
the restriction of needing voice is designed to impart community, you have to join and ask. We expect to see active community present and participating in the common passion. It's supposed to break down the barriers, the perceived divisions between the skill levels of development, running a public facing server to test the code and the modders who provide content |
| 16:10 |
shivajiva |
that was the reason it was -hub |
| 16:14 |
shivajiva |
as an instigator I have a pretty clear perception of what it was supposed to be |
| 16:16 |
shivajiva |
the question is as an organisation, does this ethos have a place, and is it fulfilled elsewhere |
| 16:18 |
shivajiva |
if not then I suggest you leave it be and cultivate it as much as possible |
| 16:22 |
celeron55 |
let's try to keep this as the "no noob questions, that way the devs have time to read this and everyone can get stuff done" channel |
| 16:23 |
shivajiva |
even if that's elsewhere, you need to have a community so it's a sound ethos, progress is unstoppable but the human side remains :) |
| 16:23 |
celeron55 |
+"and no offtopic" |
| 16:24 |
shivajiva |
shit, all my questions are noob questions on some level xD |
| 16:25 |
shivajiva |
but yea makes sense if that's what's making this channel less not more |
| 16:26 |
celeron55 |
"less is more" |
| 16:26 |
celeron55 |
as can be said |
| 16:28 |
shivajiva |
as I said if this can be fulfilled elsewhere and makes more sense, providing the management is less, giving more time, as that's what's applicable |
| 16:28 |
shivajiva |
then it should be so |
| 16:30 |
shivajiva |
*mutters proprietary shit under his breath* |
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MTDiscord |
<twoelk> hub always seemed more server-business focussed than other channels even with some off-topic talk now and then that often inspired stuff created for servers |
| 16:43 |
shivajiva |
quite natural considering the mix of dev, server admins and modders present |
| 16:46 |
shivajiva |
raylib disco channel is buzz, it's got some momentum, wish mt had that sort of buzz around it |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> I can always role-lock access to this channel from Discord, if people would prefer |
| 18:00 |
Sokomine |
wouldn't it make more sense to have discord on #minetest in general? using this channel here for an experiment in that regard is fine, but its purpose was mostly to bring core devs, server owners and modders together (with server owners observing what their players need and acting as an interface layer between devs and players). at least that was what i thought of it |
| 18:01 |
Sokomine |
would be a pity to have it closed although there has definitely been less talk here lately... |
| 18:03 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> What do you mean by "discord on #minetest in general"? |
| 18:05 |
rubenwardy |
discord is already in #minetest, Sokomine |
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| 18:19 |
shivajiva |
I don't care for the disconnection to the audience that the discord bot creates, I prefer to see my audience as it were, know who I'm addressing |
| 18:20 |
shivajiva |
for that I need to be in 2 places, right |
| 18:22 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> @GreenXenith you can also user lock this channel too |
| 18:22 |
Sokomine |
rubenwardy: oh. thanks for the info, rubenwardy. then that fits i think |
| 18:23 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> @Jordach wit no brim I could but role locking is easier |
| 18:23 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> per user is a better choice here imo as this should obey the +v to users that already exist |
| 18:23 |
Sokomine |
it's not about user-locking as such. it's about discord as such on my part... |
| 18:24 |
Jordach |
people can already come in and read it with any IRC client so [off] to the bridge is a pointless endeavour |
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| 18:24 |
Jordach |
that and irc.minetest.net exists |
| 18:24 |
Jordach |
sans [off] |
| 18:25 |
Jordach |
they just can't talk |
| 18:29 |
shivajiva |
you know who is present when you use [off] it served it's purpose without losing it's worth |
| 18:30 |
Jordach |
spose so |
| 18:33 |
shivajiva |
feels like control is lost to some degree here now, better make sure channel users know their conversation is being used as management see fit and not contained to the premise of irc if the disco bot stay in this channel, and every channel it's present in |
| 18:34 |
Jordach |
Krock, got time to review #10360 |
| 18:34 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/10360 -- Fix/Add First Person Attachments by Jordach |
| 18:35 |
Krock |
_._ |
| 18:35 |
Jordach |
don't have to do it today |
| 18:35 |
Krock |
time is my least concern |
| 18:35 |
Jordach |
i did test player:set_attach(..., true) and the player stays invisible due to the culling mode |
| 18:40 |
shivajiva |
Q. will the player inventory be backported for the small number of 0.4 servers or are we happy to leave the flaw present |
| 18:40 |
shivajiva |
player inventory fix* |
| 18:41 |
Krock |
there are multiple flags btw |
| 18:41 |
Krock |
*flaws |
| 18:42 |
Krock |
also no, 0.4.x is not supported since 5.0.0 |
| 18:42 |
Krock |
backports yet only happened for 0.4.17, and that's a very exceptional situation |
| 18:43 |
rubenwardy |
yet only? |
| 18:44 |
rubenwardy |
There was 5.0.1 and 5.1.1 |
| 18:44 |
shivajiva |
if I'm not mistaken the code can be cherry picked and dropped in 0.4.17 anyway to gain the protection |
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| 18:45 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, there may not be any conflicts |
| 18:46 |
Krock |
do you think they would suddenly update if there were a backport release? |
| 18:47 |
Krock |
honestly I doubt it. who knows how many of those servers are still actively maintained |
| 18:47 |
shivajiva |
as soon as they became aware of the fact, those maintained would is my guess |
| 18:48 |
rubenwardy |
having security vulnerabilities is a risk of running an outdated version |
| 18:48 |
rubenwardy |
at least it's not a remote execution vulnerability |
| 18:49 |
Jordach |
if we did have an RCE some random server owner would bitch that you're removing it |
| 18:51 |
Krock |
you mean the worldedit leak? |
| 18:52 |
MTDiscord |
<Jordach> If there was a proper one that broke the Lua sandbox a server owner would probably complain |
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| 18:53 |
rubenwardy |
more server owners than you'd expect disable mod security, which means that worldedit was that |
| 18:54 |
shivajiva |
it's the easy option when you don't have the patience or knowledge and want something to work |
| 18:55 |
shivajiva |
chaining consequences isn't a high priority on the steep part of the learning curve |
| 18:57 |
rubenwardy |
there are enough warnings when it comes to disabling it. Ultimately, it's the user's choice to accept the risk |
| 18:57 |
rubenwardy |
it would be more of a problem if mods and other people told users to disable mod security |
| 19:01 |
shivajiva |
yea, that's policed in the forum as far as possible :) |
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Krock |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25310 pretty cool. I wonder whether there's another mod that might have mesecons support |
| 20:52 |
Krock |
(sarcasm) |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> its based on boost cart if i read it right |
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sfan5 |
huh a better carts mod |
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Sokomine |
hm. is it me or did mapgen get faster? |
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shivajiva |
every one is 'better' than the last when it comes to vehicles |
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