Time Nick Message 02:36 Sokomine hm. i'm having considerable trouble with latest mineclone2 12:13 TommyTreasure does anyone know why the irc mod has all of a sudden replaced "n" with "\n". i updated about 15 mods 2 nights ago, and have no idea what to look for 12:13 TommyTreasure the irc mod was not one of the updated mods 12:14 TommyTreasure happens on any command to the game bot 13:34 Krock Quality code https://github.com/BRNSystems/chemistry/blob/master/core.lua#L73 13:37 sfan5 oof 13:43 rubenwardy god, so many globals 13:51 Krock what's an array 13:54 rubenwardy I have no idea 13:57 rubenwardy https://rwdy.uk/ws4dk.png 14:06 TommyTreasure array comes after ado, and before ami 14:08 Krock adoarrayami 14:08 Krock ???? 16:13 TommyTreasure bad musical humor sorry 16:43 celeron55 so 16:43 rubenwardy buttons? 16:43 Krock Trivago! 16:43 celeron55 what do people think of bridging one of our channels to discord, as a separate discord channel 16:43 celeron55 for example this one 16:44 Krock depends. how big is the Discord channel? 16:44 celeron55 umm... zero? 16:44 rubenwardy raises issues of cross-moderation, I think, if you're referring to UMTD 16:44 Krock ah. I thought you were referring to the unofficial one 16:44 celeron55 anyone on the discord server could talk here then 16:45 celeron55 but only if they talk on the hypotethically added #minetest-hub channel there 16:45 DS-minetest Can you make them here us but us not them? Like only bridging from irc to discord, but not vice versa? 16:46 celeron55 moderation of IRC users would be up to IRC moderators and moderation of discord users up to the UMTD staff 16:46 celeron55 DS-minetest: why? 16:46 rubenwardy you could ignore the bridge in that case 16:46 rubenwardy ##minetest-ctf contains an example of a bridge 16:47 celeron55 in any case, i've discussed with GreenXenith and we have the means of trying this out 16:47 celeron55 as long as people agree 16:47 DS-minetest I'm afraid of discord users writing some weird messages that only look nice for them, like embedding images. 16:47 Krock AFAIK images are redirected as direct URLs 16:48 Krock like any other attachment 16:48 celeron55 embedded images can also be disabled 16:48 DS-minetest Hm, well then it will be fine I guess. 16:48 celeron55 as it's a special channel with no discord-only traffic 16:48 celeron55 but i'd assume those do work 16:48 celeron55 what won't work is reactions and other very discordy stuff 16:50 celeron55 the reasoning for this is that the unofficial discord is starting to have more people than these channels, and it tears the community apart too much 16:51 celeron55 abandoning IRC is out of the question, and for the discord users abandoning discord is equally out of the question 16:51 celeron55 and MT would benefit if they were more united 16:52 celeron55 there aren't many ways to go about this; the only thing that can be done is a bridge of some sort 16:53 celeron55 unless the division of the community is seemed as being fine 16:53 celeron55 seen as* 16:54 celeron55 i think bridging is necessary if the discord is to be called official one day, as that would direct even more people there instead of IRC 17:00 celeron55 well, i propose that a test period of 1 week will begin once setting up the bridge is complete, and after the week we'll do a vote within IRC users about whether the bridge is a good idea or not 17:00 rubenwardy sounds good 17:02 celeron55 well, one thing still: #-dev might be a better channel for this test 17:02 celeron55 as it's quite unique to IRC and very important in development 17:02 rubenwardy errr 17:02 rubenwardy definitely limit the users on the Discord side 17:03 celeron55 well yeah, i guess most discord users don't have much to say or learn from it 17:04 celeron55 well i'm ok with #-hub 17:04 Krock I'm not a fan of bridging -dev. it should be kept to developers only 17:04 celeron55 are you saying there can't be any developers on discord? 17:05 Krock I'd like to point out that the discord channel would need limiting, like -dev to prevent guests or spambots 17:05 Krock I'd say -dev is kinda hidden for the public, whereas it would be a single click away for people to ask non-related questions 17:06 sfan5 I think part of the concern is random people wandering in (accidentally or not) and doing whatever that isn't development related 17:06 sfan5 yeah 17:06 Krock ^ that 17:06 sfan5 with discord's audience that's also more likely to happen 17:06 celeron55 well, the unofficial discord does have for example the "core developers" group (or whatever it's called) 17:07 sfan5 experimenting with a discord bridge for -hub is a good idea though IMO 17:07 celeron55 i don't even know if anyone other than rubenwardy is in it 17:07 celeron55 but limiting talking to that group could work 17:07 celeron55 or some other non-newbie group 17:07 rubenwardy You can make channels readonly in Discord 17:07 rubenwardy -dev should be readonly 17:07 celeron55 do you think including a read-only -dev as part of the 1-week test would make sense? 17:08 rubenwardy you can also have a "voice"-like priv that allows people to talk on an otherwise readonly channel 17:08 rubenwardy but I think being totally readonly would be better 17:08 celeron55 to IRC users it being read-only on discord would be practically invisible 17:08 rubenwardy sure 17:08 celeron55 but that would be quite interesting on the discord side 20:37 MTDiscord <{$username}> Is this thing on? 20:37 MTDiscord <{$username}> Ah shit 20:38 rubenwardy I hope you're not making your own bridge 20:38 GreenXenith I'm not 20:38 GreenXenith Im using reactiflux/discord-irc 20:38 GreenXenith But I forgot I made a modification because it doesn't support using usernames rather than nicknames 20:43 MTDiscord Test two: electric boogaloo 20:43 MTDiscord There we go 20:45 MTDiscord Time to open the floodgates 20:47 MTDiscord ? 20:47 MTDiscord :hypereyes: 20:49 MTDiscord uh oh 20:49 rubenwardy oh noes 20:49 MTDiscord May need to change the join messages but ? 20:49 MTDiscord Woah so now we can be both on discord and chat? 20:49 CWz Seems so. 20:51 CWz Oh no? 20:52 MTDiscord Well this should be interesting, hello hub-goers 20:52 CWz I wonder if VanessaE's channel would be added as well 20:53 Lone_Wolf Might be better to do that on her own Discord 20:54 MTDiscord Relay going down for a minute or two whilst I do one last config 20:59 MTDiscord And we're live 21:00 MTDiscord ooh, interesting 21:00 Lone_Wolf wb 21:00 MTDiscord @rubenwardy I didnt choose the channel ? 21:02 MTDiscord I'm guessing when the channel was chosen, it was decided with the foreknowledge that there would be no restriction on the Discord side of who could speak 21:02 MTDiscord So this is #minetest-hub now? 21:02 MTDiscord But Discord requires accounts anyways 21:02 MTDiscord If requested, I can make a role for chat perms 21:03 VanessaE CWz: I have no interest in discord, but iirc there is an unofficial one for my servers, I think deezl maintains it? 21:03 MTDiscord Why's there a VanessaE bot? 21:03 MTDiscord Does the bot change it's nick or something? 21:03 MTDiscord Have you forgotten how webhooks work 21:04 MTDiscord oh no, there's no reactions 21:04 MTDiscord madness 21:04 celeron55 it's a good point that there's some difference in moderation, let's keep in mind that the bridge could be on #minetest instead if it ends up more suitable 21:04 MTDiscord Hmm, this does not seem to be working properly 21:04 MTDiscord Anyone speaking from IRC will be displayed with a [BOT] flare because its a webhook 21:04 VanessaE I ain't a bot :P 21:04 MTDiscord Yeah, but when I click on Lone_Wolf, it tells me VanessaE, confusing, ain't it? 21:04 celeron55 *beep boop* 21:05 MTDiscord And yes, reactions are disabled to keep it as consistent with IRC as possible 21:05 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747163533212516474/747199787341971556/unknown.png 21:05 MTDiscord ^ 21:05 MTDiscord If you want the full experience, you could enable IRC mode on Discord ;p 21:05 MTDiscord I have enabled IRC mode ? 21:05 celeron55 *of course* you enable IRC mode on discord 21:05 celeron55 heretics 21:05 MTDiscord I would never do such a thing 21:05 MTDiscord I should look into the webhook API 21:06 MTDiscord I would never forsake my precious avatars 21:06 MTDiscord Might be useful for adv_chat 21:06 MTDiscord Oh heh 21:06 MTDiscord celeron55: I can make the Discord side role-only on -hub for chatting, so anyone that wants to speak would have to prove they have voice in -hub as well 21:06 MTDiscord please no 21:06 MTDiscord I shall force adv_chat onto you 21:07 MTDiscord > please no i agree 21:07 MTDiscord If that were to happen, then the bridge would likely be extended to #minetest as well 21:07 MTDiscord Besides, this is a week-long trial run, just to see how it goes. 21:08 rubenwardy It's not like this channel is used much anyway 21:08 MTDiscord Webhooks are unable to DM I assume? 21:08 MTDiscord I dont really know the extent of what this bridge can do 21:09 MTDiscord Im not using my skynet relay, so afaik there is no DM capacity atm 21:10 MTDiscord Bridges are neigh-impossible to DM with because you need server-side integration to either fake multiple users or actually have multiple users. 21:10 MTDiscord Is faking multiple users something only webhooks can do? 21:11 TommyTreasure the time has come to part 21:12 MTDiscord It isnt very difficult to do DMs 21:12 MTDiscord Both archfan's and my relay handle them 21:12 MTDiscord Mine does too, but with a bot 21:12 MTDiscord Which means no fancy nickname faking 21:12 MTDiscord webhooks are for servers only, not DMs 21:12 MTDiscord and webhooks for relays are sent via bot 21:13 MTDiscord Yeah 21:13 MTDiscord Which is why the @IRC Bridge user exists 21:13 MTDiscord Still, didn't know of this name-changing feature 21:14 MTDiscord Webhooks are nice because you can also change the avatar on the fly too 21:14 GreenXenith Which lets me use Discord avatars if and IRC name matches 21:14 GreenXenith an* 21:14 MTDiscord Only drawback is the confusion if names are clicked 21:14 MTDiscord A small price to pay 21:14 MTDiscord Couldn't you get rid of that by instantly renaming after the message is sent? 21:15 MTDiscord Or can you only rename by sending another message? 21:15 MTDiscord Webhooks are dynamic 21:15 MTDiscord The reason it shows a single user when clicked is because thats how the discord client handles it 21:15 MTDiscord Might be worth moving this to #lounge or #programming 21:16 MTDiscord I have the IRC avatars set to be identicons generated from username, but idk if Ill keep it that way 21:17 MTDiscord In theory some of them might match GitHub avatars ;p 21:17 MTDiscord You could reset avatar & nick after sending the message https://discord.com/developers/docs/resources/webhook#modify-webhook 21:18 MTDiscord Well yes but actually no (further discussion elsewhere tho) 21:24 MTDiscord Hello IRC people 21:25 MTDiscord I speak English 21:25 rubenwardy congrats 21:42 Jordach i wonder if this works <@286032516467654656> 21:42 MTDiscord :hypereyes: 21:47 MTDiscord neat 21:47 MTDiscord this exists now 21:48 MTDiscord [off] no 21:51 MTDiscord [off] this should probably be ignored by the bridge 21:51 MTDiscord [off] for both sides 22:00 MTDiscord Again, I didnt make the bridge. If it were Skynet, [off] would be ignored 22:01 MTDiscord I intend to change it to Skynet after I rewrite it to be much, much cleaner 22:01 MTDiscord Right now its a mess 22:06 Sokomine hm. i understand that bringing people together is an important part. maybe we got too few of that in this cozy little channel here... 22:07 Sokomine perhaps #minetest would be more fitting for bridging when the test is over? just because of it beeing a generally themed mt-channel 23:25 MTDiscord Sokomine: Yes, that is the plan. Assuming this 1-week test goes smoothly, #minetest will be bridged as well.