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IRC log for #minetest-hub, 2020-08-23

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02:36 Sokomine hm. i'm having considerable trouble with latest mineclone2
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12:13 TommyTreasure does anyone know why the irc mod has all of a sudden replaced "n" with "\n".  i updated about 15 mods 2 nights ago, and have no idea what to look for
12:13 TommyTreasure the irc mod was not one of the updated mods
12:14 TommyTreasure happens on any command to the game bot
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13:34 Krock Quality code https://github.com/BRNSystems/chemistry/blob/master/core.lua#L73
13:37 sfan5 oof
13:43 rubenwardy god, so many globals
13:51 Krock what's an array
13:54 rubenwardy <Lua> I have no idea
13:57 rubenwardy https://rwdy.uk/ws4dk.png
14:06 TommyTreasure array comes after ado, and before ami
14:08 Krock adoarrayami
14:08 Krock ????
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16:13 TommyTreasure bad musical humor  sorry
16:43 celeron55 so
16:43 rubenwardy buttons?
16:43 Krock Trivago!
16:43 celeron55 what do people think of bridging one of our channels to discord, as a separate discord channel
16:43 celeron55 for example this one
16:44 Krock depends. how big is the Discord channel?
16:44 celeron55 umm... zero?
16:44 rubenwardy raises issues of cross-moderation, I think, if you're referring to UMTD
16:44 Krock ah. I thought you were referring to the unofficial one
16:44 celeron55 anyone on the discord server could talk here then
16:45 celeron55 but only if they talk on the hypotethically added #minetest-hub channel there
16:45 DS-minetest Can you make them here us but us not them? Like only bridging from irc to discord, but not vice versa?
16:46 celeron55 moderation of IRC users would be up to IRC moderators and moderation of discord users up to the UMTD staff
16:46 celeron55 DS-minetest: why?
16:46 rubenwardy you could ignore the bridge in that case
16:46 rubenwardy ##minetest-ctf contains an example of a bridge
16:47 celeron55 in any case, i've discussed with GreenXenith and we have the means of trying this out
16:47 celeron55 as long as people agree
16:47 DS-minetest I'm afraid of discord users writing some weird messages that only look nice for them, like embedding images.
16:47 Krock AFAIK images are redirected as direct URLs
16:48 Krock like any other attachment
16:48 celeron55 embedded images can also be disabled
16:48 DS-minetest Hm, well then it will be fine I guess.
16:48 celeron55 as it's a special channel with no discord-only traffic
16:48 celeron55 but i'd assume those do work
16:48 celeron55 what won't work is reactions and other very discordy stuff
16:50 celeron55 the reasoning for this is that the unofficial discord is starting to have more people than these channels, and it tears the community apart too much
16:51 celeron55 abandoning IRC is out of the question, and for the discord users abandoning discord is equally out of the question
16:51 celeron55 and MT would benefit if they were more united
16:52 celeron55 there aren't many ways to go about this; the only thing that can be done is a bridge of some sort
16:53 celeron55 unless the division of the community is seemed as being fine
16:53 celeron55 seen as*
16:54 celeron55 i think bridging is necessary if the discord is to be called official one day, as that would direct even more people there instead of IRC
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17:00 celeron55 well, i propose that a test period of 1 week will begin once setting up the bridge is complete, and after the week we'll do a vote within IRC users about whether the bridge is a good idea or not
17:00 rubenwardy sounds good
17:02 celeron55 well, one thing still: #-dev might be a better channel for this test
17:02 celeron55 as it's quite unique to IRC and very important in development
17:02 rubenwardy errr
17:02 rubenwardy definitely limit the users on the Discord side
17:03 celeron55 well yeah, i guess most discord users don't have much to say or learn from it
17:04 celeron55 well i'm ok with #-hub
17:04 Krock I'm not a fan of bridging -dev. it should be kept to developers only
17:04 celeron55 are you saying there can't be any developers on discord?
17:05 Krock I'd like to point out that the discord channel would need limiting, like -dev to prevent guests or spambots
17:05 Krock I'd say -dev is kinda hidden for the public, whereas it would be a single click away for people to ask non-related questions
17:06 sfan5 I think part of the concern is random people wandering in (accidentally or not) and doing whatever that isn't development related
17:06 sfan5 yeah
17:06 Krock ^ that
17:06 sfan5 with discord's audience that's also more likely to happen
17:06 celeron55 well, the unofficial discord does have for example the "core developers" group (or whatever it's called)
17:07 sfan5 experimenting with a discord bridge for -hub is a good idea though IMO
17:07 celeron55 i don't even know if anyone other than rubenwardy is in it
17:07 celeron55 but limiting talking to that group could work
17:07 celeron55 or some other non-newbie group
17:07 rubenwardy You can make channels readonly in Discord
17:07 rubenwardy -dev should be readonly
17:07 celeron55 do you think including a read-only -dev as part of the 1-week test would make sense?
17:08 rubenwardy you can also have a "voice"-like priv that allows people to talk on an otherwise readonly channel
17:08 rubenwardy but I think being totally readonly would be better
17:08 celeron55 to IRC users it being read-only on discord would be practically invisible
17:08 rubenwardy sure
17:08 celeron55 but that would be quite interesting on the discord side
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20:37 MTDiscord <{$username}> Is this thing on?
20:37 MTDiscord <{$username}> Ah shit
20:38 rubenwardy I hope you're not making your own bridge
20:38 GreenXenith I'm not
20:38 GreenXenith Im using reactiflux/discord-irc
20:38 GreenXenith But I forgot I made a modification because it doesn't support using usernames rather than nicknames
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20:43 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> Test two: electric boogaloo
20:43 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> There we go
20:45 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> Time to open the floodgates
20:47 MTDiscord <B​enrob0329> 👀
20:47 MTDiscord <L​one_Wolf> :hypereyes:
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20:49 MTDiscord <A​pelta> uh oh
20:49 rubenwardy oh noes
20:49 MTDiscord <L​one_Wolf> May need to change the join messages but 👍
20:49 MTDiscord <C​haosWormz> Woah so now we can be both on discord and chat?
20:49 CWz Seems so.
20:51 CWz Oh no?
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20:52 MTDiscord <B​enrob0329> Well this should be interesting, hello hub-goers
20:52 CWz I wonder if VanessaE's channel would be added as well
20:53 Lone_Wolf Might be better to do that on her own Discord
20:54 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> Relay going down for a minute or two whilst I do one last config
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20:59 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> And we're live
21:00 MTDiscord <J​onathon> ooh, interesting
21:00 Lone_Wolf wb
21:00 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> @rubenwardy I didnt choose the channel 🤷
21:02 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> I'm guessing when the channel was chosen, it was decided with the foreknowledge that there would be no restriction on the Discord side of who could speak
21:02 MTDiscord <a​ppguru> So this is #minetest-hub now?
21:02 MTDiscord <B​enrob0329> But Discord requires accounts anyways
21:02 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> If requested, I can make a role for chat perms
21:03 VanessaE CWz: I have no interest in discord, but iirc there is an unofficial one for my servers, I think deezl maintains it?
21:03 MTDiscord <a​ppguru> Why's there a VanessaE bot?
21:03 MTDiscord <a​ppguru> Does the bot change it's nick or something?
21:03 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> Have you forgotten how webhooks work
21:04 MTDiscord <r​ubenwardy> oh no, there's no reactions
21:04 MTDiscord <r​ubenwardy> madness
21:04 celeron55 it's a good point that there's some difference in moderation, let's keep in mind that the bridge could be on #minetest instead if it ends up more suitable
21:04 MTDiscord <a​ppguru> Hmm, this does not seem to be working properly
21:04 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> Anyone speaking from IRC will be displayed with a [BOT] flare because its a webhook
21:04 VanessaE I ain't a bot :P
21:04 MTDiscord <a​ppguru> Yeah, but when I click on Lone_Wolf, it tells me VanessaE, confusing, ain't it?
21:04 celeron55 *beep boop*
21:05 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> And yes, reactions are disabled to keep it as consistent with IRC as possible
21:05 MTDiscord <J​onathon> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747163533212516474/747199787341971556/unknown.png
21:05 MTDiscord <a​ppguru> ^
21:05 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> If you want the full experience, you could enable IRC mode on Discord ;p
21:05 MTDiscord <a​ppguru> I have enabled IRC mode 😛
21:05 celeron55 *of course* you enable IRC mode on discord
21:05 celeron55 heretics
21:05 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> I would never do such a thing
21:05 MTDiscord <a​ppguru> I should look into the webhook API
21:06 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> I would never forsake my precious avatars
21:06 MTDiscord <a​ppguru> Might be useful for adv_chat
21:06 MTDiscord <L​one_Wolf> Oh heh
21:06 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> celeron55: I can make the Discord side role-only on -hub for chatting, so anyone that wants to speak would have to prove they have voice in -hub as well
21:06 MTDiscord <a​ppguru> please no
21:06 MTDiscord <a​ppguru> I shall force adv_chat onto you
21:07 MTDiscord <J​onathon> > please no i agree
21:07 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> If that were to happen, then the bridge would likely be extended to #minetest as well
21:07 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> Besides, this is a week-long trial run, just to see how it goes.
21:08 rubenwardy It's not like this channel is used much anyway
21:08 MTDiscord <a​ppguru> Webhooks are unable to DM I assume?
21:08 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> I dont really know the extent of what this bridge can do
21:09 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> Im not using my skynet relay, so afaik there is no DM capacity atm
21:10 MTDiscord <B​enrob0329> Bridges are neigh-impossible to DM with because you need server-side integration to either fake multiple users or actually have multiple users.
21:10 MTDiscord <a​ppguru> Is faking multiple users something only webhooks can do?
21:11 TommyTreasure the time has come to part
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21:12 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> It isnt very difficult to do DMs
21:12 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> Both archfan's and my relay handle them
21:12 MTDiscord <a​ppguru> Mine does too, but with a bot
21:12 MTDiscord <a​ppguru> Which means no fancy nickname faking
21:12 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> webhooks are for servers only, not DMs
21:12 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> and webhooks for relays are sent via bot
21:13 MTDiscord <a​ppguru> Yeah
21:13 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> Which is why the @IRC Bridge user exists
21:13 MTDiscord <a​ppguru> Still, didn't know of this name-changing feature
21:14 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> Webhooks are nice because you can also change the avatar on the fly too
21:14 GreenXenith Which lets me use Discord avatars if and IRC name matches
21:14 GreenXenith an*
21:14 MTDiscord <a​ppguru> Only drawback is the confusion if names are clicked
21:14 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> A small price to pay
21:14 MTDiscord <a​ppguru> Couldn't you get rid of that by instantly renaming after the message is sent?
21:15 MTDiscord <a​ppguru> Or can you only rename by sending another message?
21:15 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> Webhooks are dynamic
21:15 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> The reason it shows a single user when clicked is because thats how the discord client handles it
21:15 MTDiscord <r​ubenwardy> Might be worth moving this to #lounge  or #programming
21:16 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> I have the IRC avatars set to be identicons generated from username, but idk if Ill keep it that way
21:17 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> In theory some of them might match GitHub avatars ;p
21:17 MTDiscord <a​ppguru> You could reset avatar & nick after sending the message https://discord.com/developers/docs/resources/webhook#modify-webhook
21:18 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> Well yes but actually no (further discussion elsewhere tho)
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21:24 MTDiscord <T​he32bitguy> Hello IRC people
21:25 MTDiscord <T​he32bitguy> I speak English
21:25 rubenwardy congrats
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21:42 Jordach i wonder if this works <@286032516467654656>
21:42 MTDiscord <J​ordach> :hypereyes:
21:47 MTDiscord <M​r. Anom> neat
21:47 MTDiscord <M​r. Anom> this exists now
21:48 MTDiscord <r​ubenwardy> [off] no
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21:51 MTDiscord <B​enrob0329> [off] this should probably be ignored by the bridge
21:51 MTDiscord <B​enrob0329> [off] for both sides
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22:00 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> Again, I didnt make the bridge. If it were Skynet, [off] would be ignored
22:01 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> I intend to change it to Skynet after I rewrite it to be much, much cleaner
22:01 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> Right now its a mess
22:06 Sokomine hm. i understand that bringing people together is an important part. maybe we got too few of that in this cozy little channel here...
22:07 Sokomine perhaps #minetest would be more fitting for bridging when the test is over? just because of it beeing a generally themed mt-channel
23:25 MTDiscord <G​reenXenith> Sokomine: Yes, that is the plan. Assuming this 1-week test goes smoothly, #minetest will be bridged as well.

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