Time  Nick         Message
13:38 Sokomine     oh! the forum seems to be working again?
13:40 rubenwardy   no, they come and go
13:47 Sokomine     ah. then i was just lucky
20:27 rubenwardy   aw
22:00 IcyDiamond   is .b3d only format that minetest entity model can be if i want animations?
22:00 IcyDiamond   which exporter for blender should i use
22:13 IcyDiamond   i literally cannot find a way to export a b3d file in blender
22:13 IcyDiamond   all of the modules i find are seriously out of date and do not work
22:14 sfan5        https://github.com/minetest/B3DExport ?
22:16 IcyDiamond   do i need to downgrade blender for this?
22:19 IcyDiamond   welp the blend file is too new now that i edited it in the new version, i give up
22:21 sfan5        there might be an updated exporter somewhere
22:21 IcyDiamond   cant find one atm so yeah
22:22 IcyDiamond   someone should port minetest to a more sane engine like ogre3d lmao
22:23 IcyDiamond   probably would be too big of an undertaking
22:27 sfan5        apart from that, porting to a new engine wouldn't solve half the existing problems but introduce double the amount more
22:27 IcyDiamond   Unfortunately yeah
22:28 IcyDiamond   Can we augment a separate model loading system on top of what is already there maybe
22:29 IcyDiamond   Because b3d is just ridiculous and the other options aren't much better either
22:29 IcyDiamond   I vote gltf loader
22:29 IcyDiamond   I believe gltf is the future
22:29 sfan5        an additional model loader is definitely what you want instead
22:30 sfan5        irrlicht supports reading .b3d, .x, .ms3d, .md3, .md2
22:30 IcyDiamond   All of them are very dated options with hardly any support it looks like
22:31 IcyDiamond   So much hassle to get block figures into a game.. Sigh
22:32 IcyDiamond   Should I open a feature request issue for a new model loader
22:33 sfan5        probably already exists
22:33 IcyDiamond   I'd probably put a bounty behind that tbh, this situation is silly
22:33 sfan5        have you checked if there is e.g. a converter from a modern format to b3d?
22:34 IcyDiamond   I skimmed the top results on search engines, might dig deeper later
23:03 sfan5        rubenwardy: would also be useful to know which of those formats support animated meshes
23:03 sfan5        e.g OBJ does not
23:04 rubenwardy   yeah, I don't know though
23:09 IcyDiamond   Collada and gltf do, I don't know about the others in the default export list, haven't used/seen them used anywhere really (other than obj obviously)
23:10 IcyDiamond   Is irrlicht abandonware or what's going on
23:11 IcyDiamond   I'm not really up to speed other than the occasional complaints about the engine I see here
23:12 sfan5        the last Irrlicht version was released in 2016
23:12 rubenwardy   irrlicht is abandonware
23:12 sfan5        development is still somewhat ongoing but it doesn't look like there's going to be a new release anytime soon
23:12 sfan5        and certainly not new major features
23:12 IcyDiamond   Ouch
23:13 IcyDiamond   That's sucky :(
23:13 rubenwardy   it hasn't received any new features since 2012
23:13 IcyDiamond   Any hopes of migrating to any forks perhaps?
23:13 rubenwardy   the updates since then are patch releases
23:13 rubenwardy   they made the mistake of merging breaking stuff just as the interest in it died
23:13 IcyDiamond   Damn
23:14 rubenwardy   which has meant that they haven't been able to release 1.9.0
23:14 sfan5        breaking in which way?
23:14 rubenwardy   in terms of internal code
23:15 rubenwardy   like, bug and instability inducing
23:15 rubenwardy   this is what CuteAlien said last time I asked him why irrlicht has stagnated
23:16 rubenwardy   " But unfortunately around half a decade ago we opened up too many construction sides all over the engine and then also some people familar with those construction sides left. Which added a few nice features back then, but unfortunately also ended up with lots of stuff being unfinished/broken until today, so we still can't release 1.9. I still work on Irrlicht, so hopefully one day there will be another release
23:16 rubenwardy   http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=52452
23:18 rubenwardy   release early, release often
23:18 rubenwardy   no idea why they don't just revert the code, perhaps it's because they're not using a sane version control system
23:19 sfan5        I imagine that often causes more mess than just fixing the code
23:19 sfan5        > COLLADA defines an open standard XML schema [...]
23:19 sfan5        ok my vote goes against collada
23:19 IcyDiamond   gltf is json
23:20 rubenwardy   7 years worth of mess?
23:20 IcyDiamond   There's also glb in the same spec which is binary of some kind, I haven't looked much into it
23:23 rubenwardy   Irrlicht forums: "Most users ever online was 272 on Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:29 pm"
23:23 IcyDiamond   https://github.com/KhronosGroup/glTF/blob/master/README.md
23:23 IcyDiamond   This readme is great
23:24 IcyDiamond   There's a lot of things that aren't even needed for minetest and can probably be safely ignored
23:26 rubenwardy   oh nice, officially by khronos
23:27 IcyDiamond   Yeah that's partly why I'm a big fan of this format
23:29 IcyDiamond   I like to believe that it will be the killer format
23:30 sfan5        https://github.com/godotengine/godot/blob/058a0afdeca83145d58a95c426dd01216c397ea9/editor/import/editor_scene_importer_gltf.cpp
23:30 sfan5        hmm
23:30 IcyDiamond   But knowing what companies do doesn't fill me with much confidence, but anyway
23:32 IcyDiamond   Godot <3
23:37 * rubenwardy compiles godot
23:38 IcyDiamond   I want to make games but I'm too impatient to create content for it
23:39 IcyDiamond   Minetest mods are as close as I've gotten to making actual games I guess, or in this case, addons for games
23:40 IcyDiamond   I have done experiments with html canvas and some simple opengl stuff but yeah