Time  Nick          Message
00:35 rdococ        is moving items from the inventory list when in on_metadata_inventory_put meant to cause a hard crash?
00:37 rdococ        nvm, I found an alternate solution
00:56 rdococ        what is index in allow_metadata_inventory_put? is it the index of the inventory slot the item was in, or will be in?
09:13 ANAND         Forum is down
09:14 shivajiva     not for me
09:15 ANAND         Oh, might've been a hiccup
09:15 ANAND         Hi, btw :)
09:15 shivajiva     Namaste ANAND :)
09:16 ANAND         Namaste, shivajiva. Long time no see :)
09:18 shivajiva     hehe, well I keep popping back to see how it's going, good to see you are still here ANAND
09:19 ANAND         Where else would I go? I live here :P
09:20 * Krock       looks at shivajiva
09:20 * Krock       wonders where THEY have been
09:20 shivajiva     Hi Krock :)
09:21 Krock         hello
09:23 shivajiva     just standing off and watching, some old dickhead keeps making strange noises so I keep an eye on proceedings.
09:25 shivajiva     better than being a non contributor who sits there being shitty and demanding precision
09:27 shivajiva     hmm did I say that out loud...apparently I did xD
09:33 ANAND         Hey Krock :)
09:51 Krock         hi AN AND
10:19 Krock         the hecc
10:19 Krock         ModStorage is lossy
10:19 shivajiva     :O
10:20 Krock         writing to disk and reading back does not yield the same values
10:22 shivajiva     lossy makes it sound like you got some of the data but not all
10:27 Krock         serialize: 78 9C 63 60 60 02 42 66 06 16 06 36 06 76 06 0E 06 EE E4 FC B2 B4 D4 B4 54 85 A4 C4 2A 06 46 30 64 05 43 9E B4 FC 7C A0 60 91 42 49 6A 71 09 03 18 88 DE 07 00 F6 7F 09 F2
10:27 Krock         deserialize: 78 DC A3 60 60 02 42 66 06 16 06 36 06 76 06 0E 06 EE A4 BC D2 B4 D4 B4 54 C5 A4 C4 AA 06 46 30 64 05 43 DE B4 EF BF BD 7C EF BF BD D1 82 49 6A 71 09 03 18 C8 9E 07 00 E5 A2 BC ED B9 B2
10:27 Krock         oh wait
10:28 Krock         I remember there was a bug report that UTF8 corrections are performed to repair the seemingly defect string
10:30 Krock         pushing this stuff through minetest.serialize as a workaround
12:18 tenplus1      Hi folks :)
12:18 tenplus1      Hey Krock
12:18 jas_          hi
12:18 tenplus1      Hi Jas :P
12:19 tenplus1      it was mentioned yesterday about Minecraft kinda stealing some of Minetest features from mods :P they weren't kidding: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8Aivq6nMNw
12:19 Krock         hi tenplus1
12:19 tenplus1      o/ allo
12:20 Krock         they're really proud of texture packs
12:21 tenplus1      heh yeah, but things like the 3d_doors and wrench to rotate blocks that we've had for a while now
12:23 Krock         old news indeed
12:24 tenplus1      lol
12:29 jas_          i never played it is that game any good?
12:29 jas_          can u sneakjump?
12:30 jas_          you know, i wonder about left handed mouse users
12:30 tenplus1      minecraft ? it's ok but you do need a good spec system to run it and a bought id
12:31 jas_          that's fine i own it three different times.  i did try to install a mod once, was thoroughly frustrated.  apparently there are different versions.  i own then both, but, i didn't need to know that.  i got the mods installed but fortunately haven't had to touch the thing since
12:31 jas_          that player found roblox anyway and minecraft is a distant memory
12:31 tenplus1      hehehe, I find Minetest far easier to setup and mod so for me it's more interesting
12:32 jas_          i did try that game, however, a game called "speed run" i played it in first person.  i really, really want to make some racetracks
12:32 jas_          !server lavaland
12:32 MinetestBot   jas_: Lavaland | lavaland.duckdns.org | Clients: 2/15, 0/6 | Version: 5.1.0-dev / lavaland | Ping: 122ms
12:32 tenplus1      anything I really like from mc I try to port over
12:32 jas_          minetest i like minetest
12:32 tenplus1      hehe, good to hear
12:32 jas_          minetest has better physics, to be honest i briefly tested the physics in that other game
12:32 jas_          gross
12:32 jas_          i'm sure u can mod it but
12:33 tenplus1      we updated xanadu with new builtin_item and craftguide yesterday, thankfully not affected by hurricane
12:33 jas_          what's new in craftguide?
12:33 tenplus1      sneak and sneak jump is almost like parkour in a way, holding onto ledges... players like that
12:34 jas_          exactly
12:35 tenplus1      we use to have a parkour tower on the older server that needed you to use sneak to get around a whole level, was amazingly hard but fun
12:35 jas_          that's nice
12:35 jas_          i'm using a hybrid of old_move/new_move again
12:36 jas_          and canceling sneakjump if player's y < -10
12:36 jas_          or so
12:36 jas_          so there's fall damage with old move
12:36 tenplus1      so above ground only
12:36 jas_          velocity i mean
12:36 tenplus1      ohhh
12:36 jas_          using the new get_player_velocity
12:36 tenplus1      gotcha :P
12:36 jas_          doesn't work for old clients tho
12:37 tenplus1      it's all the little things that make a game more interesting
12:38 jas_          i like the physics.  just kills me rmb and lmb can't be set.  i recently started wondering of left handed mouse users would benefit from that feature if it were added
12:39 jas_          or maybe they have os overlay software that does it automatically
12:39 tenplus1      give it time, key mapping and mouse button mapping might be tweaked
12:39 jas_          anyway it still hurts
12:45 tenplus1      is anyone else using Minetest dev 5.1 on their servers ? is it stable enough ?
12:46 sfan5         should be
12:46 tenplus1      hi sfan :)
12:46 tenplus1      will maybe switch today at some point for testing
12:47 sfan5         It would be beneficial to the overall stability/absence of bugs of Minetest if server owners returned to the pre-5.0 habit of running a dev build here and there.
12:47 tenplus1      hehe
12:48 tenplus1      I do like testing new builds when possible
12:49 tenplus1      wb Enricoo
12:49 jas_          hi enrico
12:57 tenplus1      sfan, any chance of adding water flowing to dropped items as well ?
13:19 sfan5         I think there's a PR for that
13:43 jas_          sounds like a slogan
13:43 jas_          must be a meme.
13:44 jas_          well i mean, do you approve of it?  :)  (i'll see myself out.)
13:45 rdococ        I want to implement #8890 but I'd have no idea where to start
13:45 ShadowBot     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8890 -- Allow mods to customize how light looks per player
13:47 Krock         yellowish artificial light and white sunlight. would be neat
13:47 rdococ        at the moment, shaders can't distinguish between full artificial light and full natural light, and full artificial light with no natural light
13:48 rdococ        idk why they don't just get the raw light levels...
13:52 rdococ        on an unrelated subject, do formspecs support animated textures?
13:53 sfan5         doubt it
14:00 IcyDiamond    rdococ: formspecs support absolutely nothing animated unless you change the meta fast enough xD
14:03 rdococ        IcyDiamond: time to submit an issue for it :P
16:33 rdococ        why aren't inner and outer stairs created automatically instead of having to craft them in MTG?
16:51 Krock         huh
16:52 rdococ        it just seems like a pain
16:58 Krock         not if you use u_i's copy-to-craftgrid solution
17:02 rdococ        copy-to-craftgrid?
17:03 rdococ        I think I know what you mean, but I still think it's a pain to have to think about what of which stair type you need
17:04 tumeninodes   rdococ: why would inner/outer stairs be created automatically?
17:05 rdococ        tumeninodes: it should when you place stairs in a corner shape
17:05 rdococ        well, in an L shape
17:05 tumeninodes   Oh, I see... you mean auto placement
17:06 rdococ        I think I could implement it for upright stairs at least, but it might interfere with mods like circular saw
17:06 tumeninodes   there exists a mod for this
17:08 tumeninodes   https://github.com/pithydon/mcstair
17:09 tumeninodes   mind you I am unsure in regards to the license. I think this is merely mostly reverse engineering from "elsewhere"
17:09 tumeninodes   but I use it for my own private use and love it
17:10 tumeninodes   the maths involved to do this other ways is beyond my patience level
17:10 rdococ        I have less patience, but more boredom :P
17:10 tumeninodes   but I am sure could be done with another method.. a lot of if's and then's
17:11 tumeninodes   getting the pos of stairs and in their various params
17:12 rdococ        facedir format needs to be improved
17:12 tumeninodes   in any case, I have found that particular mod a pleasure to have and use
17:12 rdococ        instead of a strange number, maybe something like the rotation texture modifiers
17:13 tumeninodes   idk, I find the current system quite intuitive, tbh
17:14 tumeninodes   anything out of basic standard placement and uppy eyes down... use the screwdriver... makes sense to me
17:14 rdococ        I mean, it's not impossible to understand ingame, but it's harder in programming
17:14 rdococ        especially if you want to rotate facedirs by the X, Y or Z relative or absolute axis
17:15 rdococ        (or the YZ, XZ and XY planes, I should say. :P)
17:15 tumeninodes   3d space in a voxel world... stuff's gonna get weird sometimes :D
17:16 rdococ        at least an encoding like I, Y90, Y180, Y270, etc. would *kinda* make sense
17:16 rdococ        from a programming perspective, I mean
17:16 rdococ        you'd still have to use a lookup table unless you add quaternion support
17:16 tumeninodes   I can relate to that
17:17 tumeninodes   but then there are diff varients of Y90, Y1980 etc... meaning facing which dir... and is it upside down? or maybe upside down and facing north?
17:17 tumeninodes   that's where all those odd numbers come in
17:18 rdococ        maybe I should design a new facedir format
17:18 tumeninodes   1980? 0_o wy did I put that? haha
17:18 tumeninodes   if you can, and it fits in nicely... go for it ;)
17:18 rdococ        probably not implement it tho :P
17:18 rdococ        unless as a weird hacky lua thing
17:19 tumeninodes   hacky is fun...
17:19 tumeninodes   just not on an official level
17:21 tumeninodes   if you can hack all the inbetween increments.. then we can place blocks at angles too regardless of the laws of MT physics ;P
17:22 tumeninodes   that would make a real proper mess
17:22 rdococ        lol that would require a big engine change :P
17:22 tumeninodes   with turbo
17:23 rdococ        all I could probably do is an easy way to convert the engine's facedir to something that is easy to modify in Lua, and back
17:23 tumeninodes   and prob an entire engine swap
17:24 tumeninodes   just start adding aliases to the engine for the new numbers to replace the old numbers... :D
17:25 tumeninodes   I imagine it would show to be more bother than the effort is even worth
17:25 rdococ        a lot of things are lol
17:25 tumeninodes   true
17:26 tumeninodes   a lot of things I do, I do not even understand... I just know "this, does this"
17:27 tumeninodes   currently I am playing with adding animation for grass1-5
17:28 tumeninodes   which means adding animation to that drawtype...
17:28 tumeninodes   I'm making a nice mess
17:29 tumeninodes   but I just do it for the hellofit... if I can;t make it stick, I'll just go cry to devs with an issue
17:29 rdococ        hehe
17:30 tumeninodes   and then maybe someone else will think it's an ok idea and able to do it
17:30 rdococ        one of my recent issues already has core dev support :D
17:30 tumeninodes   +1
17:31 tumeninodes   I tend to keep away from engine dev, as I usually look like a doofus there haha
17:32 rdococ        I am a doofus there but I don't care :P
17:32 tumeninodes   one who burns toast, eggs and even cereal... should not work in the kitchen
17:33 rdococ        you're not meant to put weetabix in the microwave?
17:34 tumeninodes   nope, and oddly enough, making grilled cheese in a toaster is not a good idea either : /
17:34 tumeninodes   it's really too bad some of us do not require something like an approval system throughout our daily lives/routines...
17:35 tumeninodes   sure would save a lot of hassle in my life :D
17:35 Krock         rdococ: open PRs, not issues
17:35 tumeninodes   I could announce in the morning that I want to make scrambled eggs... and before I can do so, I have to get two approvals and some reviews
17:37 tumeninodes   yes, PRs definitely save on dev's time. A quick review vs figuring out how to resolve an issue is more streamlined
17:39 rdococ        well, I was considering trying to implement #8890 myself
17:39 ShadowBot     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8890 -- Allow mods to customize how light looks per player
17:40 tumeninodes   do it, and then point to it from the issue?
17:40 rdococ        as far as I can tell, it would require a new player:set_lighting() method, sending the data to the client, storing it on the client and passing it to the shader along with the light levels (I think the node vertex shader can sample the correct position from the lighting image)
17:40 tumeninodes   that should kill off some of that boredom ;)
17:40 rdococ        actually, I started working on something completely unrelated to minetest :P
17:40 tumeninodes   00 how dare you
17:41 rdococ        lol
17:41 tumeninodes   minetest is all things... and all things are minetest
17:42 tumeninodes   We need a group called Minetest Witness, and go door to door recruiting new contributors
17:43 rdococ        I'm actually trying to implement a minetest-like game on the TIC-80 fantasy console
17:43 tumeninodes   the whosiewhatsit?
17:43 rubenwardy    Hey, does anyone know how to interperet  SMART / smartctl for HDD health?
17:43 sfan5         i'm sure the arch linux or gentoo wiki can help you with that
17:44 rubenwardy    ah yeah
17:45 rubenwardy    the wiki is much more helpful than a random article
17:45 * tumeninodes was about to point to random article : ?
17:47 tumeninodes   does so anyway in defiance https://www.linuxtechi.com/smartctl-monitoring-analysis-tool-hard-drive/
17:47 tumeninodes   then realizes this is just how to and not how to interpret
17:48 rdococ        lol
17:48 rubenwardy    well, hard drive test passee
17:48 tumeninodes   having HDD issues?
17:49 rubenwardy    minetest server performance issues
17:49 tumeninodes   ahhh
17:49 sfan5         more specifically?
17:50 rubenwardy    saving stuff to disk
17:51 rubenwardy    I've removed sban, and it's running a lot better
17:52 rubenwardy    ok, so it's not that any more
18:14 tenplus1      hi folks
18:14 tenplus1      hey Krock :P
18:14 tenplus1      sfan5: updated Xanadu to 5.1 dev to test it out, sooooo many deprecation errors and missing textures
18:15 sfan5         missing textures? you upgraded from 5.0 right?
18:15 tenplus1      yup
18:15 tenplus1      players were opening chests and backgrounds were missing
18:15 tenplus1      playermeta bringing up deprecation errors in the 100's to replace get/set_attribute
18:16 tenplus1      hi nathan
18:17 tenplus1      went back to 5.01 for now... lotta mods to change and sadle that makes them no longer 0.4.17 compatible as well
18:18 rdococ        5.1 is causing incompatibilities?
18:18 tumeninodes   I need to do the same for my whacky version of MTG... not looking forward to it. Lots of MT and MTG changes since I started it
18:18 tenplus1      o/ rdococ
18:18 rdococ        hi
18:18 rdococ        it will be kinda funny if 5.1 ends up breaking more mods than 5.0 did
18:19 tenplus1      I dont mind testing dev versions, but to test on server it has to go easy on the warnings and keep any textures for compatibility
18:20 tumeninodes   well, it is up to modsters to update their mods ;)
18:21 tenplus1      which they will do, but in doing this they now lose 0.4.17 support
18:21 tumeninodes   yeh but, this is eventually inevitable
18:22 tumeninodes   unless we all keep two versions of mods...
18:22 tumeninodes   a set of 0.4.17 compat
18:22 tenplus1      once all servers switch to 5.01 I'll update to support 5 and above
18:23 tenplus1      until then I need to keep my mods 0.4.17 compat for those older ones
18:24 tenplus1      hi nri
18:24 nri           hi tenplus
18:26 tumeninodes   Isn't there a way to group all those 0.4.17 mods into one repo, where users can d/l each individually? Or would they need to d/l the whole lot?
18:30 tenplus1      I wonder how many servers are still on pre 5
18:30 tumeninodes   too many
18:31 tumeninodes   "tumeni"
18:31 tumeninodes   goofed up my own joke
18:31 tenplus1      lolol
18:31 tumeninodes   Im still hung over from our last meeting
18:31 Krock         tenplus1: around 60 of them
18:32 tenplus1      dang, they are prolly scared to update cause of the errors for their mods
18:32 tumeninodes   "Feartest"
18:32 tenplus1      yup
18:32 tenplus1      upgrading shouldnt be this bad, but it breaks too much I suppose fgor them
18:33 tumeninodes   everyone wants progress... no one wants changes/breakage
18:33 tumeninodes   can't have one, without the other
18:33 tenplus1      breakages mostly... took forever to get xanadu onto 5.01
18:34 tenplus1      and we did try 5.1 but more work to be done it seems
18:34 tumeninodes   MT should adopt Sony's "tough shit" attitude :D
18:35 tenplus1      lolol
18:35 tumeninodes   1/2 my kid's room os dedicated to numerous versions of PS
18:35 tenplus1      ps ?
18:35 tumeninodes   playstation
18:36 tenplus1      ohhh, lol
18:36 tenplus1      always been a pc gamer, although my system is a tad old now
18:36 Krock         PS/2 port
18:37 tumeninodes   could make one which is completely "all" compatible but, it would be the size of a wardrobe
18:37 Krock         real gaming machines also have a VGA port
18:37 tumeninodes   0_o a vegan port?
18:37 tumeninodes   xD
18:37 tenplus1      jsut a shame game companies are forcing the highest specs possible for their game... intentional bloat to sell systems prolly
18:38 tumeninodes   feels like I just bought PS4... now 5 is due out
18:38 Krock         no, I'm implying that it often relates to older boards, that tend to be not performant enough for more recent games
18:38 tumeninodes   PS2 was backwards compat with 1, then they said "screw it... we can make more $ like this"
18:38 Krock         even if you have a 2080 Ti super plus nitro duper, the LGA775 CPU won't feed it fast enough
18:39 * tenplus1    looks at a raspberri pi4 running retropi
18:39 tumeninodes   I guess it does keep the old models relevant.
18:40 tenplus1      yeah, to-date it;'ll run almost every emulator up to ps2 and wii
18:40 tumeninodes   I recently had a guy offer to buy my old sega saturn system
18:41 tenplus1      what's your best game on it ?
18:41 tumeninodes   Ironman haha
18:42 tumeninodes   it's Ironman and some other dude... my kid loves it so I declined
18:42 tenplus1      hehehe, nice
18:42 tenplus1      I ran fa-uae and played a few of my old Amiga games :) was fun
18:42 tumeninodes   we pull out the old atari sometimes as well (a ton of games) and he gets pissed trying to play sonic on the genesis
18:43 tenplus1      ahahahaha, love it :)  ever been to a Retro game cafe ? those are fun
18:43 tumeninodes   Me, no, my kid, yes
18:43 tenplus1      it's fun to go retro
18:44 * tumeninodes was not a gamer... He was a rick star
18:44 tumeninodes   rock
18:44 rubenwardy    tumeninodes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eoupi7rYH14
18:44 rubenwardy    nathan mentioned you
18:45 tumeninodes   just glad we still have all the orig Spyro games
18:45 tumeninodes   oh no... what did he say about me now? :D
18:45 tenplus1      oh man those were fun, didnt they remake 'em
18:45 tumeninodes   yep, they just redid them I guess... so my kid thinks ours are worth millions
18:46 tenplus1      I've still got an old Commodore 16 Plus 4 with 20 games somewhere... wonder if that's worth anything :DDD
18:47 Krock         someone using a recent minetest version. I like.
18:47 rubenwardy    tumeninodes: he's answering a question
18:47 rubenwardy    I suggest joining the stream
18:47 tumeninodes   I thought he was telling people how I drank all his rum...
18:48 tenplus1      his videos are ok but not a lot of homework done on the actual mods
18:49 tenplus1      funniest videos were RobbieF
18:50 tumeninodes   Robbie is funny
18:50 tenplus1      there was also a german guy who made minetest looks amazing, had his own HD texture pack...
18:52 tenplus1      Oliver Redmann, that's him :P did some great videos
18:52 tumeninodes   I might have seen a couple of his vids
18:53 tenplus1      he helped with the john smith texture pack and adding ethereal compatibility :)
18:53 rubenwardy    I find them quite slow and in need of editing
18:53 rubenwardy    this stream is good so far
18:55 tumeninodes   I cannot critique vids/streams as I am rubbish at just recording quick things to show what I'm working on
18:56 tenplus1      ehehe
18:56 tenplus1      soo many scorpions
18:57 tumeninodes   that sound makes me want to punch kittens
18:59 tenplus1      amjoining, wanna see those scorps
19:00 Krock         I really wonder - how can you guys follow the chat on busy servers?
19:00 Krock         (ingame)
19:00 tumeninodes   I cant at all I just ignore it
19:00 tumeninodes   :P
19:00 tumeninodes   kill everyone!
19:00 tenplus1      nup, keeps crashing on join... cant get in
19:00 Krock         tumeninodes: shameless colored_names CSM recommendation
19:01 tenplus1      I get this error trying to join: https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable/+files/minetest_5.0.1-ppa1~ubuntu18.04.1_amd64.deb
19:01 tenplus1      minetest: /build/minetest-p9QTqi/minetest-201909061947+5.0.0+5c97eea/src/nodedef.cpp:734: void ContentFeatures::updateTextures(ITextureSource*, IShaderSource*, irr::scene::IMeshManipulator*, Client*, const TextureSettings&): Assertion `liquid_type == LIQUID_SOURCE' failed.
19:02 Krock         this means a drawtype was incorrectly set to liquid source
19:02 Krock         but this is not supposed to happen
19:03 tenplus1      loads media and then crashes with that error
19:03 tumeninodes   same... crash
19:03 tenplus1      this is latest dev btw
19:03 tumeninodes   this is a conspiracy to keep me and ten out
19:03 tumeninodes   this is an outrage
19:03 tenplus1      I like the scorpion attach animations :) nicely done
19:04 tenplus1      wait, can we play sounds at differnt pitches yet ?
19:04 Krock         tenplus1: the drawtype was liquid_source, but liquidtype was not valid
19:04 Krock         does not happen here btw
19:04 tenplus1      you on 5.1 or 5.01 ?
19:05 Krock         more or less recent 5.1.0-dev
19:05 tenplus1      same here, on ubuntu
19:05 tumeninodes   ill try another local dev build
19:05 Krock         but the dirty changes I have there did not touch any of this code
19:06 Krock         trying fresh build
19:06 Krock         no error
19:06 tumeninodes   ill use the latest I have... if I compile new changes the stream will be over haha
19:09 tenplus1      server just died :P lol
19:09 tumeninodes   I was at spawn and hit into inv and the game died kicked me out
19:09 tenplus1      dang
19:10 tumeninodes   I forget how to teleport to where he is
19:10 tenplus1      /tpr <nick>
19:10 tumeninodes   what's his ingame nick though? NathanS?
19:10 Krock         ah yes. enslaved placeholder
19:10 Krock         tumeninodes: autocomplete
19:11 Krock         and /status
19:11 tumeninodes   ahhh
19:13 rubenwardy    "It's going to just keep crashing because there's a thing that's wrong" - NathanS21_
19:13 tumeninodes   hehe
19:13 tenplus1      lol
19:13 Krock         "People die if they are killed"
19:14 tumeninodes   hey... why can we not paste names into the server list? >:(
19:14 tumeninodes   manual typing is for fools
19:14 tenplus1      nup, still cant get in... bah!
19:14 tumeninodes   copy/paste rules
19:15 Krock         I'd have a working binary but that's RUN_IN_PLACE=1
19:18 tumeninodes   me and rben are stucked at spawn
19:19 rubenwardy    no idea where to go
19:19 tenplus1      /tpr nathansapalat
19:19 tumeninodes   NathanS21
19:19 tenplus1      :P
19:20 tenplus1      lol tumeni
19:23 tumeninodes   I had no sword "P
19:23 tenplus1      run up and kick 'em in the shins
19:23 tumeninodes   hahaha
19:24 tumeninodes   that's how I died
19:24 tenplus1      lol
19:26 rdococ        heeh
19:26 tumeninodes   OMG!
19:26 tumeninodes   stupid scorpions
19:27 tenplus1      doesnt he have bows installed, get some diamond arrows and kicka ss
19:28 tenplus1      wait, did he just do a /clearobjects ??????????
19:36 Krock         that's not illegal
19:37 tenplus1      true but very laggy way to clear some mobs :D
19:41 tumeninodes   smaller scorpions should be the deadliest
19:41 tenplus1      snippier
19:41 tumeninodes   just for the record, rubenwardy tried to kill me
19:41 tumeninodes   :D
19:41 rubenwardy    :D
19:41 tenplus1      lolol
19:41 rubenwardy    with TNT
19:41 tenplus1      did you hit his baby
19:41 rubenwardy    I couldn't work out how to light it, I thought it was just a bunch
19:42 rubenwardy    *punch
19:42 tumeninodes   he got the other dude though haha
19:42 tumeninodes   no it was the other guy who killed him
19:43 * tumeninodes is grateful "punch" did not work
19:43 rdococ        well, I gave up on my non-minetest project
19:43 tumeninodes   no such thing
19:43 tumeninodes   also, you give up quickly XD
19:44 rdococ        it's too complicated :P
19:44 rdococ        and lua's not the best programming language anyway
19:44 tumeninodes   blasphemy
19:44 * tenplus1    likes lua
19:44 rdococ        it's cool, I guess, but it's not great
19:45 tumeninodes   ten how comes you didnt get into the server? 0_o
19:45 rdococ        maybe I should work on my digilang idea again...
19:45 tenplus1      keps coming up an error
19:45 tumeninodes   awww
19:45 tenplus1      threw me out too many times to try again
19:45 tumeninodes   you didnt miss much, I died twice instadeath
19:46 * tenplus1    has skillz :P
19:46 tenplus1      lol
19:46 rdococ        how are you typing if you died twice? :D
19:46 tumeninodes   Im the best at dying
19:46 tenplus1      wait, stairs place horizontal by default ?
19:46 tumeninodes   I respawn at my desk
19:46 rdococ        I personally don't mind how stairs are placed, it's a bit awkward at times tho
19:47 tumeninodes   awkward how?
19:47 tenplus1      stairs redo places on whatever face it's placed, and shift place on node beside it takes same orientation
19:47 tumeninodes   point down, stair... point up uppy eyes down stair
19:48 tumeninodes   I would love to see my tree stair rtextures get use but would require stairs to be mesh not nodes
19:49 tenplus1      hrmmm
19:50 tumeninodes   actually one would just have to use my textures and code https://github.com/TumeniNodes/tree_stairs
19:50 tumeninodes   but to use diff TPs would need to use mesh for stairs
19:51 tenplus1      ah yes, because the bark would appear on the vertical of the stair
19:51 tenplus1      wb krock
19:51 Krock         ty
19:51 Krock         SysRq + REISUB isn't fun but helped
19:51 tumeninodes   how did you fall off IRC?
19:52 tumeninodes   that's how stairs should be textured in the firstplace
19:53 tumeninodes   Shara and I did it for the glass stairs so, why not just do all stairs textured this way? Stairs would be better
19:53 tenplus1      just means more textures I suppose
19:53 tenplus1      minecraft already has a separate texture for slabs and full blocks
19:53 tenplus1      and they use the slab tedxture for stairs
19:53 tenplus1      https://notabug.org/tenplus1/stairs
19:53 tumeninodes   well yeh, that is the only opposition
19:53 tenplus1      ooh ignore that, wrong box
19:59 tumeninodes   man, watching a stream slows my machine down way too much
20:00 tenplus1      what Os you on ?
20:00 tenplus1      and browser
20:00 tumeninodes   actually, it's when the chat is open
20:00 Krock         wIndWos tenTyOne
20:00 tumeninodes   haha
20:00 tumeninodes   Win30.7 jokes on you
20:00 tenplus1      lolol
20:00 tumeninodes   Mint 18.3 FF dev version
20:00 tenplus1      how much ram ?
20:01 tumeninodes   4Gb
20:01 tumeninodes   AMD A8
20:01 tumeninodes   or 10? 0_o I forgetted :P
20:01 tenplus1      sweet, turn off browser cacheing and lower vm.swappiness value, that helps a lot... also noatime
20:01 tumeninodes   A8
20:01 tumeninodes   oh cool... thanks
20:02 tenplus1      my net-top is an intel atom, 4gb and lets me view stream while connected to server and chat :P
20:03 tumeninodes   oh so I;; be perfectly fine once I make those changes then... nice
20:03 tumeninodes   "I'll"
20:03 tenplus1      be careful with fstab tho, adding noatime has to be exact spelling or machine wont boot
20:03 tumeninodes   so glad you mentioned that before I went in
20:04 Krock         quite old kernel though
20:04 tenplus1      ehehe, /etc/sysctl.conf is easy though, just add vm.swappiness=10 to the bototm
20:04 tenplus1      will still work
20:04 * tumeninodes fears doing kernel updates
20:05 tenplus1      which one you on just now ?
20:05 tenplus1      am running lubuntu 19.10 so 5.2 kernel
20:05 Krock         tenplus1: I meant tumeninodes' kernel
20:06 tenplus1      yeah, was asking what version he got :P
20:06 tumeninodes   4.8.0-53
20:06 tenplus1      that isnt too bad
20:06 tumeninodes   I do reinstalls annually so...
20:07 tenplus1      mint is quite a nice Os :)
20:07 tumeninodes   I love it
20:08 tumeninodes   I used PCLOS for a long time and actually did not like Ubuntu or derives
20:08 tumeninodes   but somewhere along the line I decided to switch that view
20:08 tenplus1      everyone has their favourites :D
20:09 tumeninodes   Well I worked on the PCLOS beautification team for a few years so that was my bias
20:09 tenplus1      ehehe
20:09 tumeninodes   then things went wonky
20:09 tumeninodes   back to Solaris10 for a couple months then Ubuntu, then Mint and have been happy since
20:10 tumeninodes   of course Solaris10 was so old at that time but was just to keep me alive on the net till I found what I liked
20:10 tenplus1      have always been an ubuntu fan, tried other distros but they felt off somehow... then ubuntu got bloated (gnome3) so xfce, which eventually got bloated and lubuntu... and surprisingly Kubuntu uses lower specs than them all (320mb)
20:11 tumeninodes   Kubuntu... is the smallest now?
20:11 tenplus1      yeah... my lubuntu install is 380mb
20:11 tenplus1      my Kubuntu install is 280mb
20:11 tenplus1      go figure
20:11 tenplus1      and that's a full desktop
20:11 tumeninodes   Holy shit... what the hell did they possibly do to LXDE to make it that large?
20:11 tenplus1      kde is all integrated, lxqt still uses parts that run seperately
20:11 tumeninodes   ahhhh
20:12 tumeninodes   suffice to say KDE has def come a looooong way from the early days of 4
20:12 tenplus1      oh yes, kubuntu 19.10 is very VERY good...
20:12 tumeninodes   I stopped using KDE at 3.5... after I tried 4 at the beginning
20:12 tenplus1      has a lite installation option (which I advise)
20:13 tumeninodes   I'll have to give that a try but, I do like cinnamon
20:14 tenplus1      cinnamon looks good, kde feels complete and has easy additions/themeing
20:14 tenplus1      you can see how much work has gone into a project by it's optimization
20:15 tenplus1      gnome3 has just let it bloat which sucks
20:15 tumeninodes   yep
20:15 tumeninodes   there's a fork of kde 3.5 but I forget the name and not sure if it is even still alive
20:16 tumeninodes   I just like basic...
20:16 tumeninodes   I don't see the need for disco desktops tbh
20:17 tenplus1      lol IceWM is very basic, desktop runs at 180mb
20:17 tumeninodes   well, there is also "too basic"
20:17 tumeninodes   ICE is one haha
20:17 tenplus1      ehehehehe
20:18 tumeninodes   My cousin is a CLI crusader
20:18 tenplus1      I only run that on my old Compaq laptop, is almost 20 years old and still works fine
20:18 Krock         use tmux as window manager
20:18 tenplus1      ooh I tried that at one point, was nice
20:19 tumeninodes   that is prob what my cousin uses
20:21 tenplus1      only reason I ended up with IceWM was because of the memory/cpu/battery/time monitor it had built in rather than using conky
20:22 tumeninodes   blackbox
20:22 tenplus1      that was good, openbox too...  my old WinXP install had bbLean running on it :) m
20:23 tenplus1      hi T4im
20:24 T4im          hey :)
20:25 tumeninodes   tenplus1 you could use Cairo Shell
20:26 tumeninodes   https://cairodesktop.com/
20:26 tenplus1      it's a taskbar like lxpanel, would still need something like openbox to run
20:26 tenplus1      looks very nice tho :D
20:27 tenplus1      hold on a sec, says it needs windows 10... blagh!
20:27 tumeninodes   yeh I forgot... because you mentioned windows on your old machine
20:27 tumeninodes   :P
20:27 tenplus1      lolol
20:28 tumeninodes   but IF I did use windows.. I would def use that
20:28 tenplus1      this is what my xp desktop looked like, 80mb memory https://www.deviantart.com/tenplus1/art/Bond-Girl-Desktop-125131621
20:28 tumeninodes   so... I will never use it
20:29 tumeninodes   is that the SexyDE? :D
20:29 tenplus1      lol
20:30 tenplus1      replaced explorer with bbLean and file manager with 7-zip... ran pretty well
20:30 tumeninodes   suprised the MS SS never hunted you down
20:30 tenplus1      lol
20:31 tumeninodes   I mentioned a while ago I used the AtheneDE for a bit
20:31 tenplus1      time to sleep :) laters all o/ have fun
20:31 tenplus1      never tried that one
20:31 tumeninodes   adios muchachos
20:31 tenplus1      :P o/
20:32 * tumeninodes is off to go do stuff I should have been doing earlier
22:06 rdococ        let's hope I didn't mess this pull request up: https://github.com/minetest-mods/irc/pull/57
22:19 rubenwardy    https://youtu.be/dpj0kKN_2L8
23:32 rdococ        would it look better if fake contrast was only applied in the presence of sunlight?