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IRC log for #minetest-hub, 2019-03-24

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Time Nick Message
00:07 rubenwardy Controversial
00:09 IhrFussel Any new server that didn't have a 0.4.X userbase before can run on 5.0.0 without any impact
00:10 kaeza Greetings, Megaf.
00:10 IhrFussel Any server where the target userbase is PC users and mobile doesn't matter much can also upgrade to 5.0.0 without much problems
00:11 IhrFussel If mobile users matter to you (especially iOS) stay on 0.4.X for now
00:13 IhrFussel I expect the iOS 3rd-party apps to upgrade soon... cause they want to make more money with their ads/inapp purchases
00:14 IhrFussel Probably when they realize most major servers run on 5.X
00:16 IhrFussel in the future*
00:16 rubenwardy Loyal players will follow you to 5.x
00:16 IhrFussel They can't on iOS
00:16 rubenwardy It's only guests and those stuck on iOS won't
00:16 IhrFussel That's the point
00:17 rubenwardy And I don't care about iOS
00:17 rubenwardy We can't make a legal apps
00:17 rubenwardy All apps there are illegsl
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00:17 IhrFussel Well over 30% of my mobile userbase is iOS and I won't discriminate them now
00:18 rubenwardy A lot of the iOS apps will have fly hacks and such too
00:18 rubenwardy For an IAP
00:19 IhrFussel You make that decision when you make your server...whether or not you allow certain apps/users to connect... if you do it later, you waste their time in case some of them put lots of effort into your server just to be greeted by a 'sorry cannot play here' message some day
00:20 rubenwardy If we were following the law to the letter, we should probably DMCA all the apps on iOS
00:20 rdococ Why hasn't Apple banned Powerpoint from their app store yet?
00:20 rubenwardy Sorry for being cynical
00:21 rubenwardy I'm just annoyed that we can't legally compete because we're held to a higher standard
00:21 rdococ nvm, I was going to make a joke but I think it's not a great time to do so
00:23 IhrFussel It's bad that MT doesn't support iOS... we can pretend that those users don't matter all we want...the facts show us something different
00:23 IhrFussel We could very well use the people
00:23 rubenwardy We legally can't support them
00:24 IhrFussel I already know that, but it's just a bad situation overall... we are missing out on a lot of potential players only cause of licensing issues
00:25 rubenwardy Yeah
00:25 rubenwardy We could ignore the licensing issues
00:25 rubenwardy But all it would take was some zealot from our community or FSF
00:25 rubenwardy Or from competing apps
00:27 rubenwardy That's how VLC got removed
00:27 IhrFussel The only realistic case would be that Apple somehow suddenly allows our license
00:29 IhrFussel But not sure if MT would even have a chance still... imagine how many clone apps existed over the past years...the Android app is available since (2013?) at least
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01:46 Emerald2 Hey paramat could you please voice Ganome?
01:51 Emerald2 Or somebody. :)
02:14 paramat Shara if you're around ^
02:14 paramat i can't permanently voice someone, but Shara can
02:16 Shara Around, yes. Awake... debatable.
02:21 Shara Is it someone who is known?
02:21 Emerald2 Yep I play on his server.
02:21 Emerald2 He is having some uhh, adventures with getting it set up.
02:21 Emerald2 Like a world with nothing but air below -800. That was great.
02:23 Emerald2 Thank you. :)
02:23 Shara Done :)
02:31 rubenwardy IcyDiamond: do you know any mods which are like tinker's construct
02:32 rubenwardy I think you mentioned it at some point?
02:35 GreenDimond Melterns
02:35 GreenDimond rubenwardy: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19916
02:36 rubenwardy thanks
02:36 rubenwardy someone on twitter was asking
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03:09 paramat Ganome i did get your private message, i was just busy :)
03:12 paramat tinker's construct eh ... i used to watch MC multiplayer videos but became fed up when most of them became endless fiddling with machines, not much fun to watch
03:13 paramat it feels like MC had moved towards play being endless crafting and fiddling with machines, instead of adventure
03:18 paramat and building, etc.
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03:43 benrob0329 paramat: there are only so many times that one can kill the ender dragon I suppose
03:46 paramat but then it may have just been the interests of the MC players i was following: guude, vintagebeef and friends
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08:21 Emerald2 Ugh. Where is moretrees hiding all the rubber trees?
08:23 Emerald2 I blame VanessaE :P
09:02 VanessaE pull requests welcome :P
09:02 Emerald2 They're supposed to be near water on dirt with grass, right?
09:03 VanessaE if I remember right yes
09:03 VanessaE but there are other controls as wel
09:03 VanessaE well*
09:04 VanessaE temperature, humidity, elevation, land fertility, and more.
09:05 Emerald2 oof yeah, I looked at the code but I haven't got to where I understand heat and humidity yet
09:05 Emerald2 Does carpathian mapgen effect it?
09:08 VanessaE dunno
09:08 VanessaE humidity and so on are all managed by biome_lib, not by the mapgen
09:09 VanessaE though I tried to at least match that one to mgv6's normal setting.
09:24 Emerald2 Didn't see either kind of palm yet, either.
09:33 VanessaE those grow on sand, near water
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10:21 Emerald2 Found a palm beach by a cold desert biome.
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11:02 ANAND Just to confirm, CC0 doesn't require any sort of attribution, right?
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11:05 ANAND Hmm... it doesn't.
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11:39 IhrFussel I told you that forcing people on Ubuntu to 5.0.0 will cause problems https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=346788#p346788 ... you basically took away the ability to reinstall stable 0.4 from the PPAs ... so if people don't manage to compile manually they are out of luck on Linux
11:42 IhrFussel On Windows you can simply download an older zip from github releases ... for Linux there are no final executables to download
11:43 IhrFussel You could probably link the .deb files to github/forum but I'm not sure if a MT version that was only tested for an older Ubuntu release will now magically work on the newest Ubuntu versions
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15:04 Krock ANAND: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/8385#issuecomment-475967160
15:04 Krock Do you mean that "For more information, click on any entry in the list...." should be replaced with "" in this case?
15:05 Krock if it's just about collapsing, then I don't think that the fields are sent
15:06 Krock i.e. not possible to update anything just by collapsing
15:46 Peppy login Peppy Gvppmp4TL
15:46 Peppy gr
15:47 * Peppy changes pwd
15:50 Krock cd ..
15:51 Krock pwd
15:51 Krock > Your password needs at least one special character.
15:52 Peppy fixed, thanks
15:52 Calinou sam8
15:52 Calinou if you type your password it displays as ***!
15:52 benrob0329 Hmm, Qt gets away with LGPL on iOS
15:54 Krock hunter2
15:57 IcyDiamond :D
15:58 benrob0329 https://stackoverflow.com/questions/35068054/does-app-store-accept-qt-app-linked-with-qt-library-lgplv3
15:58 benrob0329 I'm remembering why I dislike GNU licenses
16:05 ANAND Krock: I was referring to the command description
16:05 ANAND + textarea
16:06 Krock benrob0329: *why you dislike the app store
16:07 ANAND When the relevant list has been collapsed, the textarea still displays the command help.
16:07 ANAND But I understand fields aren't sent on expanding/collapsing trees.
16:09 Krock well yeah, no sent fields = no action = no hiding of the description
16:27 benrob0329 Krock: the problem seems to be that there isn't a good way to replace those LGPL libraries on mobile platforms
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18:10 * Sokomine looks around hopefully, wishing for someone who can combine some textures for her...
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18:12 Sokomine it's not that tricky (i hope!)
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18:13 Sokomine mostly, i need one texture superimposed on another (something which mt can do by default) - but i do not want this texture to fill the entire space. it ought to be smaller...
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18:14 NathanS21 Can't you just layer the files in Gimp?
18:17 Sokomine er...
18:17 * Sokomine looks at gimp and runs away!
18:19 Sokomine i do have my handle_schematics mod. up to now, i used the chest-textures for the building spawner/build chest. i've now changed it to a more sign-like nodebox. now, what i want is to display a floor plan texture (grundriss) on that sign. if i use the floor plan as a texture for the front, it'll take up the entire front space. but i want it to be...just..pinned...onto the wood, with some
18:19 Sokomine wood-texture remaining around
18:20 NathanS21 sounds simple enough.
18:20 NathanS21 I could do it for you.
18:20 Sokomine that would be great :-)
18:31 ircSparky how am i supposed to use old_craft_grid on the register_on_craft_method? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L3820
18:32 ircSparky it dosnt seem to be a normal table
18:33 ircSparky a string table i mean
18:34 ircSparky ah its a table of itemstacks
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19:08 GreenDimond 2 new PRs on drawers for you, sofar ;p
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20:06 garywhite they released it?
20:07 rubenwardy a summary
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20:30 IhrFussel Is the crosshair at exactly x=0.5, y=0.5 in terms of formspec?
20:36 IhrFussel Looks like it
20:37 Sokomine was there a general way to tell i.e. mesecon pushing nodes that a particular node does not want to be pushed around?
20:39 IhrFussel Sokomine, I think in the mvps mod there is something that controls this...one sec
20:40 IhrFussel https://github.com/minetest-mods/mesecons/blob/master/mesecons_mvps/init.lua#L16
20:43 Sokomine hmm. i was hoping for a group or something like that...
20:45 IhrFussel Nope but I found the actual register call
20:46 IhrFussel mesecon.register_mvps_stopper(nodename)
20:47 Sokomine hmm. better than nothing. still...such interfaces may change....
20:47 Sokomine thanks for finding it!
20:51 IhrFussel I don't think it will change...from what I can see it didn't change in the last years
20:51 IhrFussel No problem =)
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21:25 kaeza Greetings.
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21:46 Sokomine hi
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