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IRC log for #minetest-hub, 2019-01-24

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Time Nick Message
00:07 IhrFussel I wonder if streets really needs 256x256 signs
00:07 IhrFussel Those are a bit overkill
00:07 IhrFussel Even at 128x128 they look still clear
00:26 kaeza IhrFussel: all textures are sent, otherwise things like formspec images wouldn't work
00:27 kaeza The client only loads the ones it needs though
00:34 rdococ What do you think of this skin? https://i.imgur.com/k3SXF0O.png
00:49 Fixer rubenwardy: nice, i hope it stays alive for longer than that original 2011 twitter one
00:49 rubenwardy Fixer: https://twitter.com/MinetestProject   has been running for a while
01:15 longerstaff13 idea: what if in Minetest if you're underwater, the deeper you go the faster you run out of breath? just to be cruel :P
01:32 IhrFussel I didn't know that clients have so much trouble with rendering high res textures... I reduced the memory usage of clients from ~ 1.5 GB to 700-800 by JUST resizing certain 256x256 textures to 96x96
01:34 IhrFussel What does MT do with those textures? Does it have to read them pixel by pixel and execute something that takes some memory?
01:58 IcyDiamond longerstaff13: you can probably do that with a mod
02:00 longerstaff13 true :P
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08:53 jas_ i mean, just what in the wild world of sports is this shit? https://forum.minetest.net/download/file.php?mode=view&id=18059&sid=6e287e3738d94f4725a116a6346c1083
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12:38 rubenwardy SO. MANY. MASTODON. NOTIFICATIONS
12:38 rubenwardy literally like over 100
12:40 rubenwardy red-001: is that you on mastodon?
12:53 nerzhul jas_: i agree that the formspec is ugly
12:53 jas_ ye it is lol
12:54 jas_ and what's with that offset on the crafting grid formspec introduced with sfinv?
12:54 * jas_ digresses
13:03 * twoelk awaits a mastodon mob
13:07 Fixer always felt uneasy with that mastodon name...
13:11 jas_ *pats hands*
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13:45 tenplus1 hi folke
13:45 tenplus1 *folks :D
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13:45 tenplus1 hi entu
13:46 tenplus1 Sokomine: check out latest Mobs API, I've added the self.stay_near variable
13:54 jas_ did you figure out your pizza toppings, ten?
13:54 tenplus1 hi jas :)
13:54 jas_ hellew
13:55 tenplus1 I added the multigrain bread to farming redo, still tinkering with pizza and textures
13:55 jas_ multigrain nice!
13:55 jas_ keep up the good work :)
13:55 tenplus1 I have help with pizza and pasta dishes, it's all a wip :P
13:56 jas_ now back to hunting down this one stupid cable
13:56 tenplus1 heh
13:56 tenplus1 good luck
14:14 jas_ phew, thanks, found it
14:21 tenplus1 my main issue with pizza is that cheese is needed, which in turn needs mobs to be active as well as farming redo
14:25 rubenwardy food has fallback recipes
14:25 rubenwardy kind heh
14:25 rubenwardy though
14:25 tenplus1 hi ruben
14:25 tenplus1 I kinda wish minetest had an ITEMS mod where we could place basic things like vanessa's basic_materials and simple food items to make things from
14:26 tenplus1 and mods could easily make use of these
14:26 rubenwardy heh
14:26 rubenwardy I'd prefer some middleware to search for and find items
14:26 tenplus1 at present it's too spread out, requiring many mods to give things for recipes
14:27 rubenwardy so something like      if minetest.find_item({ "milk", "bucket_milk" }) then
14:27 rubenwardy or     minetest.require_item({ "milk", "bucket_milk" })
14:27 rubenwardy not sure how it would work
14:28 tenplus1 food groups are a good start, if I can add soya then basic things like milk, butter, cheese and meat substitute can be made
14:29 rubenwardy the problem with having everything in a single mod is that there will be stuff included that you don't need, and it also ties the crafting to one mod
14:30 tenplus1 true, but basic items would be very handy... e.g.   milk could easily make butter, cheese etc. for many mod recipes...
14:30 tenplus1 that's the one thing MC has over MT, default items available for use
14:30 tenplus1 without needing to add mods
14:31 rubenwardy I'm not sure how best to do this
14:31 rubenwardy a simpler way would be to have this single mod only register things as needed
14:31 tenplus1 same...  something as simple as a pizza is giving me issues
14:31 rubenwardy so you'd do    basic_materials.require("milk")
14:31 rubenwardy and then it would register the milk if not already
14:32 rubenwardy and any dependent items
14:32 twoelk basic items may be different things to different people or games or servers or ...
14:32 tenplus1 hi twoelk
14:32 twoelk o/
14:32 tenplus1 base items even... something you can have an entry level for many things...
14:33 tenplus1 acmgit already has soy and tofu available in his mod, wouldn't be nice to shoehorn it into farming redo
14:33 tenplus1 not without permission anyway
14:34 twoelk If I have server themed on precolombus america basic food would differ completely from one themed on ancient romans
14:35 tenplus1 in fact, cucina_vegana alreaady has pizza added, will leave it there :)
14:35 tenplus1 twoelk: base foods  = milk, honey, meat, grains etc.  from those mostly everything can be made... farming adds new crops to use
14:36 tenplus1 https://github.com/acmgit/cucina_vegana
14:36 tenplus1 !title
14:36 MinetestBot tenplus1: GitHub - acmgit/cucina_vegana: A Minetest Mod for the vegan Kitchen.
14:38 tenplus1 rubenwardy: and yes, we need a minetest.find() of some sort that returns items/nodes to use for crafting
14:38 tenplus1 or wildcard entries in the crafting itself
14:39 twoelk aren't groups wildcard enough?
14:39 tenplus1 group wildcards work well for mods that use them
14:40 tenplus1 minetest.register_craft({ output = "mymod:torch", recipe = {"*coal", "*stick"})
14:45 rubenwardy higher on my priorities is sound locators though
14:45 tenplus1 sound locators ?
14:45 rubenwardy instead of          sounds = default.node_stone_sounds()
14:46 twoelk mobs that hear me move? yikes
14:46 rubenwardy you do       sounds = minetest.find_sound({ "stone", "cracky" })
14:46 tenplus1 ahh, so it searches through the sound tables for what you want
14:46 rubenwardy yeah
14:47 rubenwardy means that you won't need to depend on default for that
14:48 tenplus1 where woudl you store them ?
14:49 rubenwardy in default
14:49 tenplus1 oh right, I got you now...
14:49 rubenwardy default would do       minetest.register_sound("default_stone.ogg", { ... })
14:49 tenplus1 am a wee bit slow on the uptake today :D
15:17 tenplus1 laters folks :)
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15:26 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/download/file.php?mode=view&id=18061&sid=284e205498889b532facfe1c3d165557
15:26 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=341584#p341584
15:26 rubenwardy such a nice pic
15:33 Fixer (-_-)
15:40 jas_ i thought so too.  his textures are coming along nicely, particularly the leaves.  i thought there was too much fog, at first, but it works for the picture, and the silhouette in the backgrounds makes it.
15:41 rubenwardy I think that the gradient of fog isn't quite right
15:41 rubenwardy but that's Minetest's fault really
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19:14 IhrFussel The bug where you sometimes fall through stairs/slabs is still not fixed in 0.4.17.1? That bug is extremely old
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19:31 IhrFussel https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4621
19:32 IhrFussel Oops https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4621#issuecomment-457326506
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20:04 Fixer IhrFussel: doubt it is fixed even in 5.0
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21:06 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=21988
21:09 rubenwardy I should link to that from https://rubenwardy.com/contact/
21:10 sofar it's partially covered in 'how to ask questions' but it doesn't really go into the motivation as much as I want it to
21:12 Calinou sofar: see also https://www.scrye.com/wordpress/nirik/2013/02/12/default-to-open-please/
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21:16 sofar hadn't seen that, good perspective
21:16 sofar Calinou: mind linking in the thread?
21:18 Calinou it's pinned in #fedora which is how I first saw it :)
21:18 Calinou I'm not sure if it's worth linking, but I was just saying it's an opinion shared by lots of open source supporters
21:18 sofar meh shares down, despite record earnings
21:19 * sofar grumbles at stock market
21:19 Calinou (myself included)
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21:58 benrob0329 rubenwardy: I must say, I'm really glad to see a lot of new activity surrounding Minetest on Mastodon now
22:14 rubenwardy :D
22:29 Fixer sofar: shares and earnings often live completely different lives, shares is just virtual game of greed and depend on investor mood and feel about this paper, it was cyclical (micro-)bubble, that burst and shares went down, but company can do very well in financial way, that's also in a way like oil price is "made", it is "virtual", it can be $40 or $140 today, without no fucking difference in supply-demand
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23:46 Fixer *_*
23:52 kaeza Great post sofar.
23:54 kaeza (and sorry for the trivial ping 😁)

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