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00:15 IhrFussel Where should I open it? Engine or CDB?
00:15 rubenwardy Engine
00:23 IhrFussel Good enough? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8010
00:23 paramat then i guess we can close #7994 as that now is only about cdb crashes
00:23 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7994 -- Bugs in stujones11's Android 5.0.0-dev builds
00:25 paramat closed 7994, a multi-bug issue was a bad idea
01:21 rubenwardy I think I've found the cause of the memory leak
01:21 rubenwardy it's actually nothing to do with contentdb
01:21 rubenwardy but with how images are shown in the memory
01:22 rubenwardy *menu
01:37 rubenwardy IhrFussel: #8011
01:37 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8011 -- Android: Fix memory leak when displaying images in the mainmenu by rubenwardy
01:46 paramat :)
01:50 rubenwardy This bug has existed for ages, it's just that the contact tab has images big enough to make exceeding the system limit more likely
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03:16 IhrFussel rubenwardy, thanks for finding and fixing the bug^^ But I gotta say it's pretty stupid to lose the flag to someone on CTF who has set his "repeated right clicks" to 0.05 or so seconds cause they can build at least 5 nodes per sec
03:17 IhrFussel Try shooting someone who builds themselves up with that speed
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12:58 IhrFussel The German keyboard layout has a key BELOW 'Esc' which contains ^ and ° ... apparently you cannot type ^ on Windows cause it always types °
12:58 IhrFussel Is that a known problem?
12:59 nerzhul irrlicht
13:00 IhrFussel Why does it work correctly on Linux then? Irrlicht cares more about linux than Windows?
13:02 IhrFussel On Linux pressing '^' correctly types ^ and shift + '^' types ° ... at least on my Ubuntu PC that works as expected
13:13 nerzhul Keyboard handling is different yes
13:15 rubenwardy redesign now live: https://content.minetest.net/
13:18 rubenwardy oh, I should probably test it in chrome
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13:41 Shara rubenwardy: It's kind of bulky
13:42 Shara Lots of empty wasted-feeling space to me (using chrome to check, not sure if it's the same on others)
13:48 Fixer rubenwardy: that part with Content DB and "Minetest's official content repository. Browse 373 packages..." feels too tall even on my 1280x1024
13:48 Fixer rubenwardy: also, big content DB is redundant since it is seen in up left corner
13:50 Shara Fixer: same issue for me
13:50 Shara It takes up way too much space
13:51 Shara I still wish newly added mods were on the top, or it was somehow structured so I didn't need to scroll to see new additions
13:52 Shara I don't look at the page to only ever see the same things, but they take up the whole of what I see
13:54 Shara (I'm using 2560*1440 monitors, but don't like to have the browser full screen... and if I did have it full screen there's a load of wasted space on the sides... so I can't win)
13:54 Shara (and even full screen, I only get the first row on newly added mods...)
13:58 Fixer rubenwardy: https://i.imgur.com/700IsNF.png
13:58 Shara Fixer, no, no more columns for me
13:58 Fixer Shara: this is bad
13:59 Shara I wouldn't mind so much if there wasn't so much wasted space at the top
13:59 Shara I don't just want to see the Popular section all the time.. it's worthless to me
13:59 Shara Maybe if it showed currently popular, instead of all time
13:59 Shara These mods never change, so it never shows me new content I might want to look at
14:00 Shara Great for a first time view of the page but not great beyond that
14:01 Fixer yeah, i don't like so much wasted spaces, especially in this dumb 16:9 era of small height screens, on 1366x768 piece of shit it will look even more ridiculous
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14:09 Fixer from what I've seen, ""modern"" """sites""" still look kinda good on 1280x1024, BUT once on 16:9/ulrawide it looks like this https://i.imgur.com/upu45hF.png
14:10 Fixer I actually think Reader View is amazing
14:11 Fixer maybe not many use it, but when you do... it is what you need
14:12 Fixer if only it was improved even more so your web experienced is cleaned up, everything looks kinda same, organised, clean, AIDS dumped with the rest of the corp turds, only actual content on screen, with fonts and style you want, automated
14:13 Fixer like reading a newspaper, will this be boring? bet so, because you will no more stair into pile of shit but read actual stuff
14:14 Fixer without brainless scroll of procrastination in searches of some garbage to read
14:15 Fixer "stair"
14:20 IhrFussel https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=338599&sid=ed301af0dd3ebc22ba24053d43a5117a#p338599
14:21 IhrFussel Another silly post
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16:41 Fixer VanessaE: you have amnesia, bug when chunk is full of entities so signs no longer display the fucking text, sometimes punching it works, but often you need to do /clearobjects
16:42 VanessaE that's outside of signs_lib's control.
16:42 Fixer also
16:42 Fixer place a lot of signs
16:42 Fixer move into area - 1 sec freeze
16:42 Fixer THIS IS FINE
16:42 VanessaE wrong
16:43 VanessaE that's since been fixed.
16:43 Fixer VanessaE: in mod or in engine?
16:43 VanessaE in the mod
16:43 VanessaE cheapie found the bug and fixed it
16:44 VanessaE (signs_lib kept searching files for char images as it rendered each sign, without any kind of caching)
16:45 VanessaE and anyway the engine gets kinda stupid when the block entity limit is reached, it'll delete all, then seems to go back and do it again and again every time a new entity is added.
16:45 VanessaE plus, the default limit is only 49 per mapblock.
16:45 VanessaE I run my servers with a limit of 500 per.
16:45 VanessaE and it doesn't seem to be a prob.
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16:46 Fixer VanessaE: i still have large freezes on VE-S
16:46 VanessaE technic :P
16:46 VanessaE that and vines
16:46 VanessaE those two really bog down VE-S.
16:47 Fixer literally 1 sec freeze, that player is moving back-forw in epileptic way
16:48 VanessaE yeah, nothing I can do to fix that
16:48 VanessaE I get those rendering freezes too, all the time, even on the lighter servers where there are few signs, especially with HDX enabled.
16:49 Fixer only seen it on yours, VE-S, VE-Basic (a lot too)
16:50 VanessaE yeah, no clue what the real source of those freezes is.  I always assumed mesh generator lag as blocks are loaded.
16:50 Fixer VanessaE: also, still this happening https://i.imgur.com/SnTLdTl.png
16:51 VanessaE that's a HUD bug.  the engine can't/doesn't crop the hotbar background image to fit.
16:52 VanessaE though my current hotbar code already has an 8-slot image that I"m pretty sure works fine.
16:53 Fixer VanessaE: what do you mean already has? it will be used on server soon?
16:53 VanessaE it's already in place on my servers.
16:54 * VanessaE re-checks the display
16:54 Fixer wait, bug still happens, don't get it
16:54 VanessaE yep, 8 works fine.
16:55 VanessaE https://i.imgur.com/EKLr1nr.png  singleplayer though
16:55 VanessaE (but the servers run the same code)
16:56 Fixer VanessaE: that's HUD, i mean chest formspec
16:57 VanessaE oh
16:57 Fixer VanessaE: for example when accessing default:furnace (that looks like technic one)
16:58 VanessaE yeah, I see that now, too
16:58 Fixer VanessaE: and default:chest
16:58 VanessaE nfi why that happens.
17:03 VanessaE in any case, PR's welcome. ;)
17:03 VanessaE mmmh... why am I even up?  so tired.
17:14 nerzhul because you are not oca ola
17:20 VanessaE ?
17:22 kilbith seven up (even up)
17:22 kilbith coca-cola (oca ola)
17:22 kilbith you not smart enough to understand :p
17:23 VanessaE *facepalm*
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17:46 IhrFussel STOP trying to push the minimum Android version if it's not needed ... rather put some work into the current code and fix bugs that appear on older versions
17:47 IhrFussel We NEED 4.4 support cause if you believe it or not some cheaper manufacturer STILL ship Android 4.4 with their phones
17:48 IhrFussel Which is why the Android Distribution Dashboard still shows 7% marketshare there... 7% after how many years?? 4 or 5?
17:50 IhrFussel 4.4 released October 31 2013!!! That is OVER 5 years and still many phones use it ... we need every single user we can get
17:51 IhrFussel 4.4 is different from 4.0 - 4.3 ... it was a very major release cause cheaper phones with low specs could run it without much problems
17:54 IhrFussel SP only requires 100-200 MB RAM on phones so in theory even a 512 MB RAM phone from 2013 can run it decently
17:55 IhrFussel There are also lots of lightweight servers that work perfectly fine on such low spec phones
18:00 IhrFussel After reading IRC dev log again I see that the question is only about dropping 4.0 ... I think that should be fine considering barely any current phone still runs it
18:01 IhrFussel phone/tablet*
18:12 Fixer btw, sofar once mentioned that even crappy Intel HD graphics support minetest pretty well and I confirm performance is quite good, but I've noticed a looot of complaints on many servers not just in minetest that players have old computers
18:12 Fixer often, problem is craptop
18:12 Fixer so graphic optimisations are welcome
18:13 Fixer even laptops with windows xp...
18:14 Fixer some quit playing, say, minecraft 1.12 cause their junk can't handle even that despite intel hd on some newer cpu will run this just fine
18:17 IhrFussel Basic MT is not made for the newest of new PCs so don't try to suddenly make it only available for the newest tech
18:18 IhrFussel I mean MT is not BF, AC, DIABLO and what not...games which require 3-6 GB RAM and a top notch CPU/graphics card
18:20 IhrFussel And we should apply the same logic to mobile devices ... if it only requires a little of work to continue maintaining older devices then just do it ... but if there is something that is so crucial that you must stop support for a given platform then so be it
18:20 IhrFussel None of the current bugs require increasing the minimum Android version AFAIK
18:34 nerzhul maintenance is currently not a problem but can be in the future as android API evolved
18:34 nerzhul evolves*
18:45 rubenwardy Intel HD graphics is good on newer processors
18:45 rubenwardy espeically the higher ones
18:45 rubenwardy not quite gaming standard though
18:51 IhrFussel Maybe in 1 year manufacturers will finally stop shipping the dangerous 4.4 with their phones... 4.4 has now so many exploits that you WILL get some sort of malware sooner or later if you install apps and browse the web without adblock
18:52 IhrFussel Not sure how much safer 5.X is but I hope a lot of security holes got closed in those versions
18:53 Jordach anything pre Android 7 is basically risk
18:53 Jordach one wrong SMS or malformed toast and it's all ogre
18:54 IhrFussel So Android 7 fixed a huge bug that was present in all other versions?
18:54 Jordach it's more like a proper redo of old stuff
18:54 Jordach end user won't notice, but tons on the inside change
18:55 IhrFussel Why did they wait until 7 with such a task?? That sounds criminal
18:55 Jordach because google is known for their consistency
18:58 IhrFussel So basically...they KNEW their OS was vulnerable to many things when they announced/released 5 and 6 (maybe even back when they announced 4) and still waited?
19:00 Jordach £20 says they delayed fixing the huge exploits due to china
19:14 Fixer store*
19:43 IhrFussel Cool, now some of my players start to assume that I ignore them when I don't react to requests/questions ... well that is because I'm working on the freakin server code!
19:44 IhrFussel Am I the only admin who works on the server while he's online in the game? I doubt it
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20:59 rubenwardy Shara, Fixer: https://i.rubenwardy.com/UAqpm.png
20:59 IhrFussel If the max gamma setting is 3.0 how come several people on CTF claim to have theirs at 20, 30, 40?? Placebo effect?
20:59 Fixer rubenwardy: you can fit 2 more columns I think
21:00 Calinou IhrFussel: it can be set higher but it won't have any further effect compared to 3.0
21:00 Calinou it's clamped in code :)
21:00 Fixer rubenwardy: also, maybe outline ContentDB word in some way
21:00 IhrFussel Yes so placebo effect cause they think it gets brighter
21:00 Calinou yeah, probably
21:00 Calinou or they edited the shader code or source code :P
21:00 Calinou but I doubt that
21:02 IhrFussel Who knows...some "pros" just cheat themselves to the top
21:03 IhrFussel And a changed source code client side cannot be detected by the server so basically 100% ban-proof
21:03 IhrFussel In terms of brightness*
21:05 Shara rubenwardy: yes, fitting more in is better :)
21:05 Shara not sure if more columns than this are really needed, but not having all that empty space up the top helps a lot
21:06 rubenwardy yeah
21:10 Jordach gamma is simply exponential
21:10 Jordach or diminishing
21:11 rubenwardy deployed to https://content.minetest.net now
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21:11 Fixer looks nice on 1280x1024
21:12 Krock can confirm
21:13 rubenwardy what sections would people like?
21:14 * rubenwardy adds "Top Games"
21:14 rubenwardy AO?
21:15 rubenwardy yeahhh..... no
21:15 rubenwardy :)
21:15 Jordach i'm pullin yer leg tho
21:16 Fixer holy shit, so much new mods lately
21:17 Fixer and those what I want
21:17 rubenwardy :D
21:17 rubenwardy I'm not happy with the text on the tiles, it doesn't look right :(
21:18 Fixer rubenwardy: also, possibly darkens too big
21:18 Fixer too much*
21:20 rubenwardy maybe
21:20 Fixer rubenwardy: what I don't see is MTG version requirement for, say this https://content.minetest.net/packages/sofar/pixelperfection/
21:20 rubenwardy maybe a more subtle darken, but also a blur too
21:21 rubenwardy Texture packs can't depend on mods
21:21 rubenwardy or games
21:21 rubenwardy minetest doesn't support it, even
21:21 Fixer rubenwardy: they don't but you make a texture pack for specific version of minetest game, it may be outdated
21:28 Shara rubenwardy: broken on chrome
21:29 rubenwardy oh great
21:30 rubenwardy what's broken?
21:30 Shara Everything? :D
21:30 rubenwardy have you tried ctrl+shift+r?
21:30 Shara Images don't show, and you get... a line of dots under each heading
21:30 rubenwardy yeah, ctrl+shift+r
21:30 Shara I had, and it did not change it, but now it does?
21:31 rubenwardy I really need to have some way of invalidating the stylesheet cache
21:31 rubenwardy lol
21:31 rubenwardy for the redesign, I just completely changed the name of the stylesheet
21:32 Shara Hmm.. Top Textures Packs.. fine. Top Games... fine.
21:32 Shara Popular... popular what?
21:35 rubenwardy better? https://i.rubenwardy.com/drhAv.png
21:35 Fixer nah
21:36 Shara Lol, big no
21:37 Shara Consistency Ruben!!
21:37 Shara Seriously.
21:37 Shara Why doe s atop game/texture pack get to show up twice on the page?
21:37 Shara It should be Top Mods, and drop non-mods from that category
21:38 rubenwardy true
21:38 rubenwardy my plan was turn that section into hot
21:38 rubenwardy but it should probably be a new section
21:38 Shara some kind of currently trending section wouldn't be bad, but you'd need to select based on current activity, not ancient activity that locks the same few mods there basically forever
21:39 rubenwardy yeah
21:40 rubenwardy I'll develop the trending thing once CDB has users
21:40 rubenwardy ie: after 5.0.0 is released
21:40 rubenwardy s/users/players/g
21:42 rubenwardy my god, the internet is atrocious at my parents' house
21:42 rubenwardy SSH keeps timing out
21:45 rubenwardy done
22:48 IhrFussel https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=21603 << I looked that new game up and it turns out it's closed-source so that is already NOT going to move the MT Community over
22:49 Shara Areas mod really needs an extra level or something to allow certain players infinite areas without giving them access to everyone's areas...
22:49 sfan5 hypixel making their own minecraft so their income isn't depending on mojang? lol
22:50 IhrFussel Shara, there is the areas_high_limit priv which you can configure to meet your needs...like make users have 100+ allowed areas of infinite size
22:50 Shara Fussel, but I already set that pretty high and some people hit the limit
22:51 Shara And I don't want all people with that priv to have infinte areas
22:51 Shara Really need the number and size of areas to be separate, or another level between high_limit and the admin priv
22:51 IhrFussel I added my own priv for that 'areas_very_high_limit' ... it's just a few lines of code to add
22:52 Shara Haven't looked at the code and don't have much time, but I need something
22:54 IhrFussel One sec..but keep in mind my new priv is very hacky
22:56 Shara Fussel, if you have code to help with this, could you add in a comment on my issue list here? https://github.com/Ezhh/RC_Issues/issues/24
23:10 IhrFussel Commented...what my modified function does is simply checking if a certain new priv exists for the user and if so if skips the whole regular count check BUT it still checks for intersecting
23:10 IhrFussel it skips*
23:12 Shara Thanks, though the pastebin probably won't survive long enough for me to be ready to work on this.
23:28 IhrFussel I improved it real quick...still not the best solution I'm sure ... will edit my comment
23:35 IhrFussel Of course you still need to manually register the priv but that should be no problem...you can also name it something else but then you also have to modify the privs.x lines in the function
23:41 Shara Saved a copy thanks
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23:56 Fixer "Is Hytale the Minetest/Minecraft killer?" only if it shows daily nudes or something, there is no way it will kill anything
23:57 Fixer also, never watch any trailers, wait for actual thing
23:59 Fixer sfan5: i guess they want to capitalize on popularity of hypixel

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