Time  Nick           Message
12:16 tenplus1       hi folks
12:17 tenplus1       hi nerzhul
12:19 tenplus1       Wine mod updated, fermenting barrel and blue agave both use node timers instead of abm's
12:28 calcul0n       just curious, are timers better for performances?
12:28 calcul0n       or is there another reason?
12:28 tenplus1       hi calcul0n, they are suppose to be, yes
12:28 calcul0n       hey, ok
12:28 tenplus1       instead of abm's looking for a node through a whole map area, the nodetimer runs within the node so doesnt need the searching
12:29 calcul0n       i see
12:31 tenplus1       would be nice to have a sort of diagram of how abm's work and nodetimers work
12:31 rubenwardy     !book timer
12:31 MinetestBot    rubenwardy: Node Timers and ABMs - https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book//en/map/timers.html
12:31 tenplus1       I dare say both gotta search
12:31 rubenwardy     explains the differences
12:31 rubenwardy     no, timers don't search for nodes
12:31 tenplus1       hi ruben
12:31 tenplus1       how does theengine know were in an area where active nodes are present ?
12:33 tenplus1       or do they simple run when that area of map is loaded until it's unloaded
12:34 * tenplus1     asks too many questions... :)
12:44 tenplus1       hi CWz
12:46 * twoelk       returns to screen and waves
12:46 twoelk         o/
12:46 tenplus1       o///
12:48 rubenwardy     tenplus1: the engine has a list of loaded mapblocks
12:48 rubenwardy     it just iterates through them to see whether each one has any expired node timers
12:49 tenplus1       am eager to understand how it all works together :) thanks for that
12:49 twoelk         and the mapblocks have a list of nodes with timers? ah , no list
12:50 rubenwardy     and then iterates over all the nodes when an abm interval is reached to look for matching nodes
12:51 tenplus1       so every 1 second since abm intervals cannot go below that ?
12:51 rubenwardy     twoelk: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/mapblock.h#L526
12:51 rubenwardy     no, every abm interval
12:51 twoelk         so making gras with nodetimers to regrow after grazing would be better than an abm?
12:51 rubenwardy     if you only have 1 abm which is every 10 seconds, it'll only check every 10 seconds
12:52 tenplus1       I dare say a node timer for every dirt block would be very slow, which is why abm's are still used
12:52 rubenwardy     again, the chapter says what's best to use
12:52 tenplus1       :)
12:53 tenplus1       your book must be growing all the time with new stuffs :))
12:53 tenplus1       have you added 5.0 items yet ?
12:53 rubenwardy     yes
12:53 twoelk         but then you would be all gone when I read and understood that, asking silly questions keeps the illusion IRC is very alive :D
12:54 tenplus1       hahaha
12:54 tenplus1       the channel is handy for many things :D
12:58 tenplus1       the stepheight glitch for entities is causing issues with mobs again. pah
12:58 tenplus1       hi DI3HARD139
13:00 DI3HARD139     Hello tenplus1
13:00 tenplus1       wb calcul0n
13:02 twoelk         spiders should do very tiny steps - so that I have enough time to fumble out my sword :P
13:02 tenplus1       hi Fixer
13:02 tenplus1       lol twoelk
13:03 tenplus1       they climb no problem in singleplayer, but on server when entity glitching kicks in it stops them doing so a lot of the time
13:06 twoelk         I remember on the adventuretest server running from spiders and when well out of sight the server caught up with my client and gave me the accumulated deadly dosis of poisen all at once because for the server I never moved
13:06 Fixer          hello
13:09 tenplus1       I like the new spiders, AspireMint made a good model and texture set :)
13:09 CWz            Hello tenplus1 ?
13:10 tenplus1       what's new CWz ?
13:10 CWz            nothing much
13:12 tenplus1       gearing up for Xmas ?
13:13 tenplus1       winter is a-coming :P
13:36 tenplus1       hi Jordach
13:45 tenplus1       laters all :)
13:49 BuckarooBanzai hi
13:49 BuckarooBanzai can anyone tell me why minetest.settings:get_bool("some.not.defined.setting", true) returns nil?
13:50 BuckarooBanzai according to the lua api the second parameter should be returned (default): https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/1c91cb8f8f6ea15dc1308aace666bd1ebd25a28c/doc/lua_api.txt#L5392
14:23 rubenwardy     BuckarooBanzai: that's a 5.0 feature
14:24 rubenwardy     use this doc if you're using 0.4.x: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/stable-0.4/doc/lua_api.txt#L5392
14:26 BuckarooBanzai oh, my bad :( will that be backported to 0.4 eventually?
14:35 ANAND          Only bugfixes are backported to stable-0.4, so I assume this won't be backported.
14:36 rubenwardy     no
14:36 rubenwardy     BuckarooBanzai: no, it won't be
14:38 BuckarooBanzai rubenwardy: thx anyway, i have to solve this another way :)
14:39 BuckarooBanzai rubenwardy: and keep up the good work, minetest is amazing :D
14:39 rubenwardy     :D
15:01 Jordach        BuckarooBanzai: if get_bool == nil then val = your_default_here
15:01 Jordach        if the function returns nil if it can't find or do anything right, place bets on nil
15:02 BuckarooBanzai Jordach: i had something like that in mind, thx
15:23 benrob0329     >TFW you realize nearly seamlesss hipster doors are super easy to to in Mesecons
15:32 Shara          Random observation: This is very dark but.... stars can seem way too big? http://gingercat.tk/dg/mt_starlight.png
15:35 benrob0329     Shara: they're very close stars
15:35 benrob0329     The Minetest Earth is flat, after all.
15:35 T4im           what :o everone knows that earth is a cube
15:36 Shara          Sorry benrob, I'm with T4im on this.
15:36 T4im           :D
15:36 benrob0329     But how would the corners work?
15:36 Shara          Mystical mese energy handles that
15:36 T4im           you'd just rotate 90° when walking over them
15:37 benrob0329     Well, if mese is altering gravity then I suddenly know why everything is a cube
15:44 benrob0329     *when you finally understand movestones and realize the possibilities*
15:44 benrob0329     https://youtu.be/uwmeH6Rnj2E
15:51 Jordach        inb4 galaxy brain
16:25 nerzhul        hey
16:25 Jordach        hai nerzhul
17:17 rubenwardy     WARNING[Server]: ScriptApiBase::objectrefGetOrCreate(): Pushing ObjectRef to removed/deactivated object, this is probably a bug.
17:17 rubenwardy     :O
17:18 jas_           i get that one frequently
17:18 jas_           maybe when a DM goes flying off screen? idk haha
17:44 Krock          hi tenplus1 who isn't here agina
17:45 Krock          o/
17:46 T4im           o/
17:47 twoelk         o/
17:47 Krock          is there anything new in the Minetest world? (player/server perspective)
17:50 twoelk         there seems to have been a breakthrough in understanding the nature of Minetest by postulating that mese alters gravity
17:52 Krock          huh? why would it do that?
17:53 rubenwardy     well, the paper hasn't been peer reviewed yet
17:54 sofar          also the statistics look quite sketchy
17:56 benrob0329     The charts are being manipulated
17:58 benrob0329     Krock: in other Minetest news Mesecon door research has had recent breakthroughs
17:58 sofar          the mesecon doors aren't very strong and break through easily?
17:59 benrob0329     isn't that what protection is for?
17:59 Krock          require stronger pickaxes
17:59 sofar          I thought it was so you don't need to pay child support?
17:59 benrob0329     Besides, its mostly meant for looks or hidden bases
18:00 benrob0329     sofar: heh
18:35 benrob0329     I have recently revised my opinion if the GPL
18:35 benrob0329     *of
18:37 benrob0329     I used to be of the understanding that it did not require attribution in the binary, however recent information I have been introduced to show that it does.
18:37 benrob0329     So..yeah the GPL is cool I guess.
18:39 benrob0329     I should reread the whole thing sometime
19:14 Krock          bbl
20:52 garywhite      This place has been really quiet lately
20:52 VanessaE       ded
21:22 benrob0329     Rip