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IRC log for #minetest-hub, 2018-09-06

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00:42 rdococ idea 2: electric boogaloo: area protection tied to land certificates - whoever owns the certificate pertaining to that area can interact with it
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01:19 Megaf Hi folks
01:20 Megaf I am working on a new license, it's 100% future proof, the first one of it's kind. What you think?
01:20 Megaf https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Megaf/a4a131027db7deb612c71556886a300a/raw/1d66832bc5d95ca15c031eac68abeb1f24fc7f94/MGF%2520License%2520V.01%2520Draft
01:20 Megaf https://gist.github.com/Megaf/a4a131027db7deb612c71556886a300a
01:21 Megaf and it's comatible with GPL
01:22 Megaf and WTYL and Beer-ware
01:22 Megaf Inspited by MIT, Bee-ware and Do The Fuck You Want Licenses.
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01:29 Megaf v0.2 release
01:29 Megaf released*
01:30 Mr_Pardison release notes: spelling corrected
01:32 Megaf actually the text changed a bit as well
01:32 * Megaf is proud of his creation
01:33 rdococ my new favorite license
01:33 Mr_Pardison shall we celebrate with something?
01:33 Megaf Actually I will change the formating, not very happy with it
01:34 Megaf Thanks rdococ :)
01:35 Megaf of course when you use the license you replace Megaf <megaf@email.com> with your name and your email
01:39 Megaf Yep, looks better now
01:46 Megaf ALrght, still have many mistakens to get ironed out
01:49 * Mr_Pardison hands Megaf an ironing board and an iron
01:53 Megaf Mr_Pardison: it worked :)
01:54 Megaf look, wrinkles removed. https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/6201512/45130307-0570aa00-b180-11e8-9c14-cd6fdf03b638.png
01:54 Mr_Pardison did you use starch? :P
01:54 Megaf Tho it strached a bit, it was smaller before https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/6201512/45129913-449dfb80-b17e-11e8-9d81-0c2f6d8575b5.png
01:54 Mr_Pardison 👍
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12:40 xerox123 how do you check the value of a digiline channel inside a luac?
12:41 xerox123 if <channel "tank" = on> then port.a = true
12:45 benrob0329 xerox123: digilines doesn't work like that
12:45 benrob0329 Its a message based thing, not power
12:46 benrob0329 So You'd need to poll the other end, or have the other end send a state message occasionally
12:48 ChimneySwift the lua controller will fire an event when the digiline state changes iirc
12:48 ChimneySwift it's in the docs
12:49 ChimneySwift me seconds has an excellent documentation website
12:49 ChimneySwift *mesecons
12:51 benrob0329 ChimneySwift: thats only for mesecon connections
12:52 benrob0329 Digilines is strictly a message based conductor
12:53 ChimneySwift yes I'm aware, bot fire events if I'm not mistaken...
12:53 ChimneySwift I might be completely wrong if so sorry, I can't check rn
12:55 benrob0329 The LuaC will fire an event, but when either a mesecons line powers, or when a digilines line sends a message
13:01 ChimneySwift ah, yeah not state the word is messages yeah
13:11 xerox123 got it working
13:12 xerox123 if event.type == "digiline" then\n if event.channel == "vTank" and event.msg == "contain" then\n port.a = true\n end\n end
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13:38 tenplus1 o/ folks :)
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13:40 tenplus1 hi Jordach
14:09 benrob0329 Hello tenplus1, Jordach_
14:10 tenplus1 hi benrob
14:10 tenplus1 :P
14:11 tenplus1 ben bot 3000
14:11 benrob0329 Ben9000
14:12 benrob0329 "I'm sorry Ten, but I'm afraid I can't let you do that."
14:12 tenplus1 ehehe
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14:25 tenplus1 wb mister
14:25 Mr_Pardison ty.
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15:16 tenplus1 wb
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15:25 tenplus1 o/ aerozoic
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15:25 tenplus1 hi fussel
15:26 aerozoic hi tenplus1
15:42 IhrFussel Hey tenplus1 and others
16:07 IhrFussel Selling critical privs for ingame money lol...
16:08 rubenwardy lol
16:08 rubenwardy why would you sell it for ingame money when you can sell it for real mone
16:08 rubenwardy noobs
16:08 IhrFussel Just need to find an exploit and you will become admin possibly
16:08 tenplus1 lol
16:10 IhrFussel Would you allow such a server on the forums? One that gives privs for real money or one that implements loot boxes?
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16:10 rubenwardy there's no rule against it
16:10 IhrFussel I think that would be a horrible idea to provide a platform/service that lets server owners publicly exploit kids
16:11 rubenwardy loot boxes could be an issue, as gambling
16:11 rubenwardy what about a server that sells skins?
16:11 Mr_Pardison what's the base issue we are talking about here?
16:12 Mr_Pardison *core issue
16:12 xerox123 selling privs for IRL moneis
16:12 IhrFussel Most people agree that cosmetics behind paywalls are mostly fine...just that crucial gameplay elements shouldn't be locked
16:12 xerox123 and would it be allowed on the forums is such server had it
16:12 rubenwardy also worth noting that the forums isn't the main distribution channel
16:12 rubenwardy like, main way to find servers
16:13 IhrFussel No but the main way to promote your server
16:13 Mr_Pardison selling privs for actual IRL money is basically pay to win and I can't stand that since they just buy the best stuff while those of us who rely on skill work for it.
16:13 IhrFussel Make it clickbait, suck as many kids in as possible and then sell out
16:14 xerox123 https://youtu.be/v9EKV2nSU8w
16:14 xerox123 !title
16:14 MinetestBot xerox123: The nightmare videos of childrens' YouTube — and what's wrong with the internet today | James Bridle - YouTube
16:15 IhrFussel Some people are desperate enough to do whatever the admin wants just to get a higher rank
16:15 Mr_Pardison yeah.
16:15 Mr_Pardison I'm more the skill and hard work kind of person who doesn't pay for things (esp. since I can't really afford much).
16:15 IhrFussel That includes sexting and stuff
16:16 Mr_Pardison you're basically exploiting people which is illegal in most countries.
16:17 IhrFussel Some probably agreed to sex chats just to get unbanned...it's terrible when you think about it
16:17 tenplus1 erk
16:18 rubenwardy that's never been reported, and any such servers would be removed from the list
16:18 Mr_Pardison the kind of person who would even do that in the first place (the one who offered to get them unbanned in exchange for that) is one that doesn't deserve to have a server much less run one.
16:18 IhrFussel Or maybe they have to pay some real money to get unbanned...and depending on how popular the server is/how important it is to them they will
16:19 IhrFussel rubenwardy, With 200+ servers in the list and most of them being "unknown" you never know what happened there in the past
16:20 rubenwardy stop with the baseless accusations and superiority complex about your server, it's getting boring
16:20 sfan5 by that logic we also don't know whether such a thing has happened on your server
16:21 IhrFussel I didn't talk about any specific server... it can happen on ANY server and you are naive beyond believe if you think no server owner EVER did that
16:22 IhrFussel It could've happened on my server but not myself involved then... could have been done by a MOD who knows really
16:23 tenplus1 fussel, it does not happen in Xanadu, that I can attest to
16:23 tenplus1 no-one has ability to grant privs apart from myself, only admin with 'limit' command can revoke them if they breakrules
16:24 IhrFussel Each server owner needs to decide between reading PMs and breaching privacy or respecting privacy by not reading PMs
16:24 tenplus1 reading pm's is necessary to keep ppl safe and stop pedo's from talking to kids
16:24 tenplus1 logging pm's is another story
16:25 IhrFussel MT logs them by default which makes sense...so that you can also check what happened recently between users
16:26 IhrFussel I only run a certain script though the PMs once in a while...that script counts "suspicious" contents and if the amount reached a certain threshold I read the PMs by that user
16:27 tenplus1 keyword flagging is important
16:27 IhrFussel Yeah but regex is required not just case-insensitive search...pedos are too smart and know how to mask dirty words
16:28 tenplus1 not so muchdirty words but keywords they could possibly use
16:29 IhrFussel Yes but I mean they can self-censore the words to an extent
16:30 tenplus1 true
16:30 rubenwardy hmmm      cc1plus: warning: -Wabi won't warn about anything [-Wabi]
16:30 IhrFussel Recently kids in my chat talked about "smashing" and I first didn't know what they meant... well turns out they just decided on a fake word to use for sex
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16:31 rubenwardy that's a pretty common euphemism
16:32 IhrFussel People in RL say "Let's smash"?
16:32 tenplus1 lol,there's plenty of ways to say it
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16:33 rubenwardy well, no
16:33 tenplus1 hi paramat
16:33 rubenwardy it's more often used like "Oh you know Alice and Bob? They smashed the other night"
16:34 tenplus1 you havent seen some of the weirder meme's then ruben :PP
16:34 rubenwardy "Eve, unfortunately, was listening"
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16:36 tenplus1 ahahaha
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17:07 tenplus1 hi Krock
17:07 Krock hi tenplus1
17:07 tenplus1 :P
17:13 tenplus1 if a mob is punched in mobs redo with damage_groups = {fleshy=5, fire=1} it will drop cooked items when it dies
17:15 Mr_Pardison oh cool.
17:15 tenplus1 so any weapon or punch() with that group will be checked :DDD
17:15 tenplus1 same with knockback setting
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17:29 tenplus1 laters all
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19:06 Fixer O,,,,,,,,,O
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19:28 atorian37 o/ does anybody know where to change the cost for mesecon (in wich file) in the mod file?
19:29 atorian37 1 mesecrystal gives 18 mesecons, can i change this somewhere in the mod?
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21:20 VanessaE Is there any way to close a formspec that was opened by minetest.show_formspec(), but give the player the node's metadata formspec then?
21:26 VanessaE I know I can just show_formspec() to get the desired replacement form to show, but then none of its buttons work.  I guess because they're normally handled in the node's on_receive_fields callback
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22:02 nerzhul interesting lighting work: https://twitter.com/tuxedolabs/status/1037405060379160578
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23:19 Megaf Eh, Shara what have  I done
23:19 Megaf Hi tenplus1
23:20 Megaf I made you uncover a dirty whole (there's a good expression for that which I forgot)
23:26 Shara Megaf, bad things!
23:26 Shara I stared at engine code and lost a few more braincells :(
23:28 Megaf Well, I guess is good after all, fixes can come for problem we didnt know we had.
23:28 Megaf hopefuly no company will ever hire me to find problems, they will bankcorrupt for sure
23:28 Megaf lol
23:32 ChimneySwift lol
23:32 ChimneySwift the engine is ridic complex lol
23:34 Megaf the map limit thing is new
23:34 Megaf it wasnt there by desing
23:36 Shara Not that new.. since 0.4.16 at least
23:51 Megaf for me that's new :P
23:51 Megaf It was already after I got myself more distant

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