Time  Nick            Message
01:06 Megaf           lol, migrate-players still going
11:09 tenplus1        hifolks
11:13 Fixer           hitenplus1
11:13 longerstaff13-m Hi
11:13 tenplus1        hey longer,hi fixer
11:14 longerstaff13-m Early lunch at college :D
11:15 tenplus1        hope ya got something tasty :)
11:15 tenplus1        is anyone here schematic proficient ???
11:15 longerstaff13-m Brought my own lunch for today :P
11:15 longerstaff13-m Hmm
11:21 tenplus1        ahh is ok, figured it out :)
11:26 longerstaff13-m Yay
11:41 tenplus1        finally figured out how yslice_prob actually works :P
11:41 tenplus1        documentation is kinda lacking there
11:53 tenplus1        wb
11:56 Fixer           apps with very old/2000 UI, XP UI, win7, metro, new metro...
12:01 tenplus1        *shudder* global menu
12:18 tenplus1        does anyone here actually use the ethereal settings to disable any of it's biomes ???
12:32 ChimneySwift    I only really play servers... so no. although I can imagine it might be useful
12:36 tenplus1        hi CBDC o/
12:55 tenplus1        hi Jordach
12:59 Jordach         the ting goes <ping>
12:59 tenplus1        the ting with a ding
12:59 tenplus1        *cough* Mars Bar
13:12 tenplus1        *phew* now that I know how schematics and y_slice works I can redo Ethereal schems and make them more random in appearance :D
13:40 tenplus1        hi aerozoic
13:41 aerozoic        wazup tenplus1 !
13:53 tenplus1        when registering a schematic file as decoration does it load it into memory and use from there each time it's placed ??
13:54 rubenwardy      Yes
13:55 tenplus1        kewl, thanks ruben :)
13:56 tenplus1        am transferring all of the schems from mts to table format in code so i can easily tweak it, was hoping it would improve performance
14:13 tenplus1        hiparamat
14:14 paramat         slow :) it won't improve performance, because lua table schematics are cached once at server start
14:14 tenplus1        what's slow, mts or tables ?
14:16 tenplus1        also probability for node doesnt seemto work...
14:16 tenplus1        set prob = 5 and the nodes still appear all the time
14:18 paramat         well, since a schem is cached at server start the speed of one or the other is irrelevant to in-game performance
14:20 paramat         in fact it takes a little more processing to convert a lua table to a schem than to just store the .mts file and use that, but it's not a concern as explained and probably worth it for fast tweaking
14:20 tenplus1        yeah, .mts may be smaller but it's niceto have easy access to nodes :D
14:21 paramat         make sure to study MTG lua table schems https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/schematic_tables.txt
14:22 paramat         yes, storing the .mts file is less filespace than storing a lua table
14:22 tenplus1        for some reason I assumed y_slice was probability it would appear 1, 2, 3 nodes below surface... only now realisedit chops the Y position out of the schem before placing
14:22 paramat         in MTG we store the .mts files but also document the lua tables
14:23 tenplus1        yeah, referenced your mod to check how you did trees
14:24 paramat         i recently improved the y-slice docs, they were typical hmmmm docs, good but written at quite a high level
14:25 paramat         they could still be clearer
14:25 tenplus1        y_slice confused me for a bit until I checked your tree code, now I know how they work... and starts at 0 instead of 1
14:26 paramat         it's quite shocking, lua_api.txt is no longer an embarassing inconsistent mess. the formatting is really nice now
14:26 tenplus1        it's getting there :)
15:15 rubenwardy      yo tenplus1
15:15 rubenwardy      do you have any opinions on NPC APIs
15:15 rubenwardy      for example NPCF
15:16 tenplus1        I've never really used any of them before apart from Alive AI
15:16 rubenwardy      what's the like?
15:16 tenplus1        smart ai thats interesting
15:17 tenplus1        icy has one that builds schem files as well, that wasgood :D
15:28 twoelk          o/
15:28 Jordach         \o
15:28 tenplus1        :P
15:49 twoelk          traying to spread flowers doensn't really work as expected. seems my looping didn't get far - just the first of each group https://i.imgur.com/JzYfB8G.jpg
15:49 twoelk          -a
15:50 tenplus1        doesntgrass count against the flora so stops it spreading
15:51 twoelk          other places look similar
15:52 twoelk          the plant in the inventory on the far left spread more than the others as can be seen in the background
15:52 tenplus1        you using your own spreading routine?
15:53 twoelk          nope - or rather playing with code of others - this is flowers from mtg
15:54 tenplus1        make a clear grass field and plop themright in the middle to watch them spread
15:54 tenplus1        should go farther since no grass around
15:54 twoelk          somewhat tweaked beyond recognition
15:56 twoelk          three others not in the picture seem to get triggered by mapgen but it always stops after a few entries in my list
15:56 twoelk          maybe the world is too filled up to fast
15:57 tenplus1        a lot of decoration already :)
15:58 twoelk          I thought of addapting the original authors idea of a micro biome of a flower meadow, replacing most grass and such but that never worked yet
15:58 twoelk          just a little meadow in rare places
15:59 ANAND           NEWER, COOLER, HACKIER THAN EVER! Presenting KGM'S minetest-bot-collection! https://github.com/KaiGerdMueller/minetest-bot-collection
15:59 tenplus1        you could tweak decoration settings and add a few with spawn_by = flower name, so it adds extra's aroundit without spreating
16:00 twoelk          hm
16:01 twoelk          I though of using appletrees or some such from moretrees to spawn a flowermeadow
16:02 Mr_Pardison     ANAND: they give away how to beat that right in the README.
16:02 twoelk          I had several ideas of special things happening if some extra mod is present - if only I had more time to spend on this :-D
16:03 Mr_Pardison     if a player enters a local command matching that then they get served with what they deserve.
16:04 Megaf           Shara: whats so bad about the whereis command?
16:14 Megaf           and folks, yesterday I ran the commend --migrate-players sqlite3
16:14 Megaf           it still going...
16:14 tenplus1        eek
16:15 twoelk          yesterday I spent the day on a medivial
16:15 twoelk          festival
16:15 twoelk          my head
16:15 Megaf           It's been going for 20 ours now
16:15 Megaf           the command ^
16:16 twoelk          seems rto be stil, there
16:16 twoelk          toomuch summer wine
16:16 Megaf           Wine is love
16:16 Megaf           I would elaborate on wine is love but I better not
16:16 twoelk          rhabarbar-federweise - hmmm deliciuos
16:17 Mr_Pardison     mead is older than wine.
16:17 twoelk          depends
16:17 Megaf           red wine for the win
16:17 Megaf           great for couples, great for building and minetest and great for modding.
16:17 twoelk          any old fruite overdue will suite me :-D
16:18 Megaf           And about the migrate-players, I'm letting it run for so long becuase it has been using 100% of a cpu core the whole time
16:18 Megaf           so I think it's doing something
16:18 twoelk          I once spent a whole summer in northers france to study all the things you could make out of old apples
16:19 Megaf           cider!
16:19 twoelk          calvados has another meaning for me now
16:19 Megaf           you can basically ferment anything really
16:19 Megaf           tho that's not a chat for this channel
16:19 twoelk          actually there's lot's of lovely cheese there too
16:20 twoelk          hm, can we destille something in mt yet - to stay on subject
16:20 Megaf           yep, tenplus1 has some nice mods
16:20 Megaf           there's a wine mod from him
16:21 twoelk          maybe a good moonlighting mod?
16:21 Megaf           hah
16:21 twoelk          wine is to easy - something that could explode or poisen you if done wrong is what I was thinking of
16:21 Megaf           I'm not aware of any
16:23 twoelk          one of the very few things I like about the nuclear reactor in minetest is that it has consequences if you make mistakes
16:23 Mr_Pardison     yup.
16:23 Megaf           is this technic mod?
16:23 Mr_Pardison     mhm.
16:24 Mr_Pardison     I've gone near one that melted down (they did it just to see what it was like) and I kept taking damage even when I teleport home which was over 6k nodes away.
17:01 tenplus1        hi Krock
17:01 Krock           hi superfast tenplus1
17:01 tenplus1        :P
17:03 * tenplus1      is trying to design a new redwood schem
17:03 Megaf           define design
17:03 Megaf           degine redwood
17:03 Megaf           define scem
17:03 Megaf           define new
17:03 Megaf           define trying
17:04 Mr_Pardison     define define define define
17:04 tenplus1        himister
17:05 Megaf           https://emoji.fileformat.info/gemoji/trollface.png
17:09 Krock           https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=330003#p330003
17:09 Krock           TIL TL;DR is longer than the actual text
17:10 Krock           and also that they have no clue about security
17:15 Shara           Megaf: there is nothing wrong with a whereis command. I just don't think that's the right place for it.
17:56 tenplus1        hi ben
17:56 benrob0329      Hi tenplus1
17:58 Krock           hi benrob0329
17:58 benrob0329      Hello Krock
17:58 tenplus1        hehe, strangely enough I'm exploring sandy/sea areas in Ethereal :)))
17:59 benrob0329      VanessaE: I got a couple pictures of Dune Grass if you need any for HDX
18:05 Mr_Pardison     tenplus1: crafting recipe conflict between ethereal:bowl and farming:bowl. both use the same recipe and group:wood attribute.  Can alias farming to ethereal for a fix with this.
18:06 tenplus1        it's ok since the recipe's use the {food_bowl} group so either can be used when crafting :P
18:08 tenplus1        added check, ethereal will use farming bowl if active :D
18:09 tenplus1        the snow/icebiome is kinda bare, what else could I add tom makeit lookbetter >
18:10 Mr_Pardison     some random unexpected kind of plant life?
18:11 tenplus1        hrmmmm
18:23 benrob0329      tenplus1: frozen trees?
18:23 tenplus1        found a plant called firethorns that can survive snow and winter conditions... poisonous when eaten raw but crushed and washed inflowing water, can be nommed :) might add those...  gimp ahoy!
18:23 Mr_Pardison     ooohhh... encased in ice but with leaves sticking out somewhere.
18:23 tenplus1        small bushel type things with peach coloured berries :D
18:24 benrob0329      Snow hills, glaciers?
18:24 benrob0329      Ice cracks that go hundreds of meters down?
18:25 Mr_Pardison     that's a glacier.
18:25 benrob0329      Driveways?
18:25 Mr_Pardison     well....
18:26 benrob0329      tenplus1: abandoned igloos, tents, snow fortresses?
18:26 tenplus1        hehe was thinking of an igloo yesterday :D
18:26 tenplus1        need to build one that doesnt such
18:26 tenplus1        &suck
18:27 benrob0329      Civilizations buried under the ice and snow?
18:27 benrob0329      (Combined with transparent ice!)
18:27 Jordach         benrob0329, what about team fortresses?
18:28 benrob0329      Jordach: Team Fortresses 2: Ice and Snow.
18:28 Shara           Silly flickering of transparent ice over water... another big bug someone needs to fix
18:29 benrob0329      Same bug as other transparent materials though
18:30 Shara           Still a big bug that needs fixing
18:31 * Mr_Pardison   pulls out some bug spray
18:34 * longerstaff13 eats it
18:35 Mr_Pardison     O.o
18:35 longerstaff13   lol
18:35 Shara           Was nice knowing you, longerstaff13
18:36 Krock           hi IhrFussel
18:36 longerstaff13   :P
18:36 tenplus1        hi fussel
18:36 Jordach         >when your cat is batting the mouse cursor on the tb
18:37 longerstaff13   my cat will literally bat anything around a room
18:37 tenplus1        hey gary :D
18:38 garywhite       hi ten
18:40 IhrFussel       Hey there guys^^
18:41 longerstaff13   hey IhrFussel o/
18:41 Mr_Pardison     ahoy
18:53 tenplus1        yay, new snow are flora and food item added :D
19:03 Krock           BillyS: consider logging in with SASL. Your hostmask leaks on join before switching to unaffiliated/*
19:03 MinetestBot     Andrey01: Sep-02 17:09 UTC <Krock> You're making a Server-Side Mod, right? So any get_bool() call will return the settings of the Server!
19:03 BillyS          IhrFussel: I noticed your server had a cool "Bad score" mod.  Is that available to the minetest community?
19:04 rubenwardy      His mods never are
19:04 BillyS          Dangit
19:04 BillyS          Welp, I'll just reproduce it and hope he didn't copyright
19:04 Andrey01        hi, i just want to ask, i want to create detached inventory in player`s inventory and do i need to write minetest.create_detached_inventory() after creating of formspec or before in get() callback?
19:05 rubenwardy      Well, one exception https://github.com/IhrFussel/freeze
19:08 IhrFussel       That is no lua mod on my server... a bash script manages the Bad Score system
19:09 IhrFussel       But it should be easy to recreate it in lua except for the sorting and removing of duplicate history entries...not sure how difficult that is in lua
19:09 BillyS          ah
19:09 BillyS          How did you get a bash script to integrate wtih minetest?
19:10 IhrFussel       Logging all chat commands to a file and listening via tail -F for a valid command, then executing
19:10 BillyS          Ah
19:11 Andrey01        how to send here pm anybody?
19:12 IhrFussel       And if output from bash -> game is needed you put a globalstep where you check every second or so for a file and if it exists you send its contents with minetest.chat_send_all() then remove it via os.remove()
19:13 IhrFussel       It may be not the most efficient method but the profiler shows me max 100 µs per file check
19:19 tenplus1        hi shadow
19:20 Andrey01        does anybody know how to send pm in irc?
19:20 tenplus1        use:   /msg <nick> <message>
19:23 Andrey01        thx
19:23 IhrFussel       Or if you use an actual client double clicking the name should open a PM window/tab
19:42 Andrey01        can not send a message to Krock, it says: "No such nick/channel: <Krock>"
19:43 sfan5           it's Krock not <Krock>
19:43 sfan5           he's not here either way
19:43 tenplus1        Ethereal 1.35 released : https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/ethereal
19:43 tenplus1        o/ sfan
19:44 Andrey01        can i not send a message to who is not here?
19:44 rubenwardy      /msg MemoServ send USERNAME MESSAGE
19:45 rubenwardy      alternatively, !tell
19:45 rubenwardy      !tell Krock Hello, this is a demonstration for Andrey01
19:45 MinetestBot     rubenwardy: yeah, yeah
19:45 rubenwardy      the latter is public though
19:48 Mr_Pardison     I love MinetestBot's reply to that.
19:48 * rubenwardy    kicks MinetestBot
19:48 tenplus1        mister, added igloos :D
19:50 Andrey01        does minetest.get_inventory() return user data??
19:50 Andrey01        i thought table
19:50 rubenwardy      it returns an InvRef
19:50 Andrey01        it says user data
19:50 rubenwardy      user data is Lua's name for a table which C++ owns
19:51 rubenwardy      so an InvRef is user data
19:51 * Mr_Pardison   quickly finds an igloo and invites some friends over
19:51 Andrey01        but i need table
19:51 rubenwardy      the user in this context is C++
19:51 rubenwardy      !rtfm
19:51 MinetestBot     Someone thinks you should read the manual. The development wiki is at http://dev.minetest.net, the regular wiki is at http://wiki.minetest.net.
19:51 rubenwardy      !book invref
19:51 MinetestBot     rubenwardy: Nothing found.
19:51 rubenwardy      !book inventor
19:51 MinetestBot     rubenwardy: SFINV: Inventory Formspec - https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book//en/players/sfinv.html
19:51 rubenwardy      ARGH
19:51 rubenwardy      !book inventories
19:51 MinetestBot     rubenwardy: Inventories - https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book//en/inventories/inventories.html
19:52 rubenwardy      It's very important to gain the skill of being able to read docs and search before asking questions
19:52 Mr_Pardison     always rtfm
19:52 Andrey01        i thought that function returns table with items strings and i need to run on these items via for loop!
19:53 rubenwardy      it returns a list of ItemStacks
19:53 rubenwardy      you can iterate in the normal index or pairs way
19:54 Mr_Pardison     [off[ rubenwardy: Oc in this case means Original Content.
19:54 * Mr_Pardison   can't type
20:01 Andrey01        rubenwardy: if this returns user data, i would like a function that would return table and i could run on it via for loop
20:02 rubenwardy      have a look through the list of methods in InvRef, and see which one looks like what you want
20:02 tenplus1        you can run a for loop over an inventory no problem, check my protector redo chests, I do it there
20:05 IhrFussel       local player_inv = player:get_inventory() for i = 1, player_inv:get_size("main") do ... not sure if that's what you're looking for
20:06 rubenwardy      not quite right
20:06 rubenwardy      well, it'll work but it's inefficient
20:06 rubenwardy      there's a function which returns a table of tables
20:06 rubenwardy      you should be able to find it either by reading the lua_api or my book
20:06 rubenwardy      both are useful skills to have
20:10 tenplus1        you mean there's a way I can improve on this: https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/protector/src/master/doors_chest.lua#L625
20:11 Andrey01        rubenwardy, could you make your book with full Modding API? lua_api.txt is full, your is not
20:12 rubenwardy      my book isn't supposed to cover the whole API
20:12 rubenwardy      but it does cover this bit
20:12 rubenwardy      no, that's the most efficient way tenplus1
20:12 rubenwardy      for a single list that is
20:12 tenplus1        damn, was hopefully I could improve it
20:12 rubenwardy      that white space and `local` placement though
20:12 rubenwardy      ew
20:13 tenplus1        helps me read the code easier :) for my own use really
20:13 * tenplus1      switches to triple spacing :D
20:15 Andrey01        because i want to find full Modding Book that explains ALL functions, features and even little things
20:15 Andrey01        this is what i need
20:15 rubenwardy      that's called a reference
20:15 rubenwardy      which is what lua_api is
20:16 Andrey01        lua_api.txt is, sorry, mockery, well it`s obvious this is quite not readable
20:17 Mr_Pardison     if yo udon't like their work, you don't have to read it.
20:17 Mr_Pardison     you can go out and find your own reference thing.
20:18 Andrey01        also lua_api.txt doesn`t have any explainations for "noob-modder"
20:18 Andrey01        however, rubenwardy`s book has it
20:19 sfan5           because lua_api is a reference
20:19 sfan5           not a tutorial of guide
20:19 sfan5           or*
20:20 tenplus1        easiest guide of use is doing a search on github for the command you wanna use, then a bundle of mods pop up showing you how they use it :D
20:20 rubenwardy      loool
20:22 Andrey01        i don`t know how to do search on github
20:32 tenplus1        wb fussel
20:33 tenplus1        Xanadu Updated with latest ethereal mod, carts
20:33 Andrey01        a question again: i`m trying to create detached inventory list inside player inventory and do i need to write minetest.create_detached_inventory() before or after creating of formspec in get() function?
20:35 tenplus1        create detathed inv before anything or anyone references it
20:48 tenplus1        nite all o/
21:00 Andrey01        what does this warning mean:
21:00 Andrey01        2018-09-03 23:57:46: WARNING[Main]: GUIFormSpecMenu::drawList(): The inventory list "Andrey_doctors_inv" @ "detached:Andrey_doctors_inv" doesn't exist