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00:28 paramat oh ... it's an MT insult :)
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00:29 paramat MC was started earlier
00:34 paramat and was much more popular so attracted more high quality builders
00:38 paramat however, a 128 node world height is .. pathetic ;)
00:39 paramat as is 256
00:39 Mr_Pardison over 30k is best :D
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06:58 ANAND https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/7684/files#diff-ad60d65b34e16a3319296bb5d683acd6R2503
06:58 ANAND lol :)
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08:35 Megaf Good morning all
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12:13 shivajiva Megaf: well that makes sense, if space is an issue :)
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12:17 shivajiva Hi longer
12:17 longerstaff13 o/
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13:23 Megaf Eh, #Minetest-Chat was removed from https://www.minetest.net/irc/
13:29 Megaf tho I can't find the commit that changes it...
13:30 Megaf https://github.com/minetest/minetest.github.io/commits/master/irc.html
13:30 Megaf ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
13:33 Megaf that really doesnt make sense, https://github.com/minetest/minetest.github.io/blob/master/irc.html
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13:33 Megaf it says the last edit was done by me, when I added #Minetest-Chat, but if you read the code the lines are not there?
13:33 Megaf rubenwardy ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
13:38 rubenwardy I can't see you adding chat, only hub
13:38 Fixer "GitLab was co-founded by Dmitry Zaporozhets from Kharkiv, Ukraine, together with Sid Sijbrandij, from the Netherlands "
13:38 Fixer okaaay, did not know about that
13:39 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/minetest.github.io/pull/120
13:39 Megaf oh
13:39 Megaf maybe I never added chat
13:39 Megaf thanks rubenwardy
13:40 Megaf I could do with a new brain I guess
13:40 longerstaff13 can't we all :P
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13:55 Megaf now, should we add #minetest-chat to the list?
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14:11 tenplus1 hi folks :)
14:11 Megaf tenplus1: Hi there
14:11 tenplus1 o/ Megaf :P
14:12 tenplus1 https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/ambience <-- updated to 1.13, added sound set API :)
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14:14 tenplus1 wb longer
14:15 longerstaff13-m1 No idea what happened there...
14:16 tenplus1 o.O
14:16 longerstaff13-m ./ns regain ftw
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14:26 tenplus1 hi Krock
14:26 Krock hi tenplus1
14:26 tenplus1 ooh 1 second :P
14:26 tenplus1 ehehe
14:27 Krock Well, my enter bar went down at least two seconds before your message appeared
14:27 tenplus1 lol, here's your prize: https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/ambience (1.13 update)
14:28 Krock thx m8
14:28 tenplus1 finally gave Ambience an API to work with :)
14:28 Krock fresh API.. where are the docs?
14:28 tenplus1 in the mod
14:28 tenplus1 api.txt file with examples in soundsets.lua (defaults)
14:28 Krock ooh I see
14:29 Krock read that as "api.lua" and thought "well great, this is yet another 'read the source to get the docs'" thing
14:29 tenplus1 can add a set, remove a set and get set table... sets contain sounds, frequency played and function to check instance
14:29 IhrFussel Hey tenplus1, I just updated farming redo and noticed that you changed pumpkin_8 to the pumpkin block instead of a pumpkin looking node...I wonder why?
14:29 Krock set a set set set table set
14:29 tenplus1 hi fussel
14:30 tenplus1 works better fussel, and uses chopping board to cut into slices, same as melon and pizza on xanadu :D
14:31 Krock ♩♫♬♩ we are in Xaanaduuu ♩♫♬♩ A million lights are dancing ♩♫♬♩
14:32 tenplus1 ehehe
14:32 Krock just ensure it's backwards compatible :D
14:32 tenplus1 is meant to be a rock group in USA
14:32 Krock I know :)
14:32 tenplus1 all same sound sets added, same /svol and /mvol commands work, only diff is API it uses
14:35 Krock I'd prefer having more commands bundled together and use subcommands rather than a command for each purpose
14:35 Krock /help  gets veeery long to read on some servers, especially when worldedit_commands is enabled
14:36 tenplus1 yeah, the /mvol command can also be used to stop music that's playing at midnight :) set to 0
14:37 IhrFussel On my server /help all is 4 pages without WE commands xD
14:38 tenplus1 ekk, what commands have you added ?
14:40 Krock 4 pages of what
14:40 tenplus1 help commands
14:40 Krock yeah, but those are font size dependant
14:40 Krock to I wonder how he came to this number
14:41 Krock expecting something like a formspec backend for searching or something like that
14:47 IhrFussel Most of them are custom commands for custom server features: addshop, afk, allteleport, back, blockpms, build, catch, cok, fair, fixlba, fly, flysim, flytime, fun, go, goto, hide, hidepos... those are the ones until 'I'
14:47 IhrFussel Default commands excluded
14:48 tenplus1 lotta commands
14:49 Krock definitely needs grouping and a GUI backend. Don't let the eyes bleed by reading that list
14:50 tenplus1 would be nice
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15:30 Megaf I just made a Ring acount... ring:Megaf
15:30 tenplus1 ring ?
15:31 Krock for edding
15:31 Krock +w
15:40 tenplus1 Megaf: is it the doorbell thing ?
15:41 Megaf https://ring.cx I think
15:42 tenplus1 ohhhhh, checking :P
15:43 Megaf I'm quite disapointed with it actually :P
15:46 tenplus1 how so ?
15:47 Krock Megaf: Yet Another Chat Application
15:49 Megaf tenplus1: interface sucks and it simply doesnt work
15:50 Megaf try to install it, and send a message to me
15:51 tenplus1 I'llpass... lol,will stick with irc :D
15:52 benrob0329 Krock: the point is that its got Voice/Video over IP, and is p2p
15:52 tenplus1 hi benrob...
15:53 benrob0329 So, not quite YACA, but since it doesn't seem to work for Megaf and I (for who knows what number of reasons) there isnt much point in using it atm
15:53 Krock benrob0329: I'm sure there are tens of apps which already do that
15:53 benrob0329 Krock: most are dead
15:53 benrob0329 Or unusable
15:56 Megaf skype 2.x used to be great
15:56 Megaf no Skype is unusable, even on my brand new phone with latest Android
15:56 tenplus1 most start off ok, then they add so much bloat it's unusable
15:56 Megaf s/no/now
15:58 benrob0329 I quite like Syncthing though
15:58 benrob0329 It works
15:58 Megaf it  does :)
15:59 Megaf and it works well
15:59 Megaf it's just a bit complex to set up
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15:59 tenplus1 hi Jordach
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16:00 tenplus1 for a chat app to work ithas to be small, easy to use and setup and cross platform, like whatsapp
16:00 tenplus1 heh
16:02 benrob0329 Krock: no, its p2p
16:03 Megaf 17:00 <tenplus1> for a chat app to work ithas to be small, easy to use and setup and cross platform, like whatsapp
16:03 Megaf the only real advantage whatsapp have over many others is that user doesnt need to set username and password
16:04 Megaf so we are free from all these stupid usernames and people forgetting passwords
16:04 Krock You don't need those either for apps which require you to have a phone number
16:04 Megaf Krock tenplus1 why you no -Chat?
16:05 Krock I prefer to drive offtopic here >:D
16:05 tenplus1 I try not to sit in multiple chat rooms, especiallyif most of the ppl are already here
16:05 Megaf it's not about people, it's about topic
16:05 benrob0329 tenplus1: honestly IRC is about that, its just that  most clients are quite old
16:06 benrob0329 You can join most networks and just chat
16:06 tenplus1 have been on irc since the 90's :D
16:06 Megaf so have I :D
16:06 Megaf I even had my own IRC networks
16:06 Megaf and was IRCop of others
16:07 Megaf running my own server
16:09 Megaf KvIRC had it all
16:09 Megaf before it was cool
16:09 Megaf VoIP, P2P, File Transfer, Avatars and a lot more
16:15 benrob0329 tenplus1: its called DCC
16:15 benrob0329 But DCC is not standardized, flaky with modern ISPs, and insecure
16:16 Megaf nothing new DCC, was just created in 1991
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16:17 Megaf I think the best protocol is XMPP
16:17 Megaf Google, Facebook and WhatsApp, all use a bit of XMPP under the hood
16:17 benrob0329 Meh, XMPP has its own problems
16:17 Megaf I have my XMPP server too
16:17 Megaf had*
16:18 tenplus1 xmpp is a good protocol to use, just need a decent gui for all platforms...
16:18 Megaf its was awesome because I could talk to people on Google Talk, Jabber,org and others from my server
16:18 benrob0329 Like that there are two standards for avatar, the "newer" one not even fully replacing the old and people sticking with one or the other
16:18 tenplus1 that's how Pidgin works for me and google :D
16:18 Megaf Whatsapp chat encrypt thing comes from XMPP
16:19 benrob0329 Or multi-user-Jingle sessions being a depredocated, WIP standard
16:22 tenplus1 been running ambience api for over 2 hours now and it's all working well... any other testers or recommendations would be welcome :D
16:23 Megaf actually we have two very good text/voip/video solutions
16:23 Megaf TOX and Telegram
16:24 Megaf there's also signal
16:25 benrob0329 Tox is mostly dead and/or buggy, Telegram is centralized and while claiming to have great encryption, fails to telegraph the fact that its only for special 1 on 1 chats
16:28 Megaf Signal for the win
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16:31 * sofar spots Calinou on phoronix forums
16:32 tenplus1 lol, o/ sofar
16:32 tenplus1 did he comment on a good article ?
16:32 sofar KDE/Plasma on Clear Linux OS
16:33 tenplus1 ah yeah,saw that one :D
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16:44 tenplus1 hi twoelk
16:45 twoelk o/
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16:51 tenplus1 hi gary
16:52 garywhite hi 11
16:52 Megaf L E T ' S   C H A T
16:53 * Megaf hides
16:53 benrob0329 L E T ' S  - C H A T
16:53 * benrob0329 hides
16:54 garywhite that's...not weird
16:54 tenplus1 heh
16:54 Megaf ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
16:54 tenplus1 alienlanguage
16:56 Megaf greenblueyelloworangered
16:58 Megaf greenblueyelloworangered Say the word color not the word text nor background
16:58 Megaf Braincrash ^ ^
16:58 sfan5 colors are disabled in this channel, so that doesn't really work
16:58 tenplus1 :P le puzzle
16:59 tenplus1 all I see is B&W :) hi sfan
16:59 Krock What
16:59 Krock if that's not green on black, then it's just striped without any message. mmh
17:00 Megaf eh, colours... https://i.imgur.com/LoHMDmW.png
17:00 Megaf why would you disable colours? Colours are fun
17:00 Krock Megaf: it works locally but others will receive a modified message
17:00 Megaf sfan5 mister s_nofun_5
17:00 Krock and this should be bold, italic and underlined
17:01 Megaf my whole life is alie
17:01 tenplus1 everything has been stripped fort me :P
17:01 Krock probably removed too; not sure.
17:01 Megaf yep, I see just normal plain text Krock
17:01 Megaf sad
17:01 Megaf in -chat life is more colourful
17:01 tenplus1 brb
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17:01 * Megaf runs
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17:01 Megaf welcome back tenplus1
17:01 Megaf got it
17:01 tenplus1 k,pasteit again plz
17:02 Megaf greenblueyelloworangered Say the word color not the word text nor background
17:02 Megaf that?
17:02 * Fixer spots sofar viewing calinou on phoronix forums
17:02 tenplus1 nup, still stripped... bah!
17:02 Megaf isn't my screenshot more fun?
17:02 tenplus1 heh
17:03 Megaf I spent like 10 seconds writing that colourful stuff for nothing
17:03 Megaf sad
17:03 Krock Megaf: it's a common trick to show up how much the visuals are weighted in our life
17:04 Megaf I read that twice and I still can't understand the sentense ^
17:04 tenplus1 keepin it simple and easy to read here, but 16 colour console ansii/ascii has been around for a loooong time already
17:04 Megaf heck, My console can even play 1080p videos
17:04 Megaf and show webpages with images
17:04 Megaf true story
17:05 tenplus1 howwwww #
17:05 Megaf you just need framebuffer enabled in your kernel and boot, then you can use mpv or mplayer or other player to play videos and even see images
17:06 Megaf w3m-img and links2 browsers will show pages with images
17:06 Krock can you play Minetest in it?
17:06 Megaf you could if Minetest supported it
17:06 Krock just render OpenGL to terminal
17:06 * benrob0329 just got his Gitlab T-shirt in the mail
17:06 tenplus1 notabug.org all the way
17:06 Megaf meh
17:06 Megaf Megaf.Info Git Services for the win
17:06 tenplus1 heh
17:07 Megaf get a Megaf.Info t-shirt and I will be impressed
17:07 Megaf specially because there is none
17:07 Megaf should make a MegafServer tshirt tho
17:07 Megaf and ship to my 7+ year old players
17:08 Megaf I mean, people that has been playinng on my server for 7+ years
17:08 benrob0329 Megaf: it was free, because I've been on Gitlab before the MS Github buyout
17:08 Megaf eh, so was I
17:08 Megaf how can I get one?
17:08 Megaf oh wait, my Gitlab was selfhosted? Does it count?
17:09 Megaf I had a Gitorius as well before Gitlab bough it
17:14 tenplus1 Megaf: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=npibrl&amp;s=9
17:17 Megaf doesnt work here
17:18 tenplus1 link or image ?
17:19 tenplus1 try this: https://imgur.com/nwbs0iV
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17:23 tenplus1 wb aerozoic
17:24 aerozoic just a restart
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17:26 tenplus1 :P
17:27 Fixer o/
17:27 tenplus1 wb
17:27 Fixer never use tinypic, it is pos
17:29 tenplus1 imgur wouldnt accept image for some reason, had to make it png
17:31 Megaf lol, nice shirt :P
17:31 tenplus1 :P
17:34 tenplus1 if you wanna order it here's the link: https://www.rushordertees.com/design/#/?item=808&amp;color=2202&amp;askQuantity=false
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17:43 Megaf I need chocolate
17:43 Jordach creme egg
17:43 tenplus1 mmm
17:43 * Megaf will go downstairs to make some cocoa milk
17:44 Megaf (That is, two ingredents, a lot of pure cocoa powder with some milk)
17:44 tenplus1 that's a very good idea...  *checks for hot choccy&
17:44 Megaf Tesco cocoa powder by the way, every little helps :P
17:45 Megaf hey tenplus1, come to Dublin to spend a day, let's have a pint
17:45 tenplus1 *pint = hot choccy ???
17:46 Megaf a pint of anything you want
17:46 tenplus1 ehehe
17:47 Megaf I could have a ping of white hot chocolate frull of cream
17:47 Megaf s/frull/full
17:47 tenplus1 oh man, sound soo evil, yet nice
17:47 Megaf and I mean it, a pint
17:47 Megaf I'd make one myself
17:47 * Megaf thinks about buying cream later
17:48 Megaf eh, I just remembered that a long while a go my mac warned me the battery was dead, empty
17:48 Megaf I had forgotten, better charge it
17:48 Shara white... hot chocolate >.>
17:49 Megaf Shara: calories of happiness
17:49 tenplus1 hi shar a:D
17:49 Shara Hi :)
17:51 * benrob0329 should make some homemade hot coco sometime
17:52 benrob0329 Or homemade ice cream, it is still summer after all :-)
17:52 Fixer burning summereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
17:53 Fixer it is over 9000*C here... :(
17:54 tenplus1 summer has left my neck of the woods, it's wet and windy now
17:54 * tenplus1 sips hot choccy
17:54 * Megaf is back with a ping of cocoa milk
17:54 * Megaf sips some
17:55 Megaf man, is that delicious
17:55 * Fixer sips air
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17:55 tenplus1 Shara: got ambience api working finally
17:55 Shara Ohhhh??
17:55 tenplus1 https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/ambience
17:56 Megaf eh https://i.imgur.com/KWQjgBz.png
17:56 tenplus1 nice one Megaf :P
18:04 tenplus1 :P
18:04 * Megaf LOLs with himself
18:04 Megaf https://i.imgur.com/FpdqWq8.png
18:05 tenplus1 hahaha
18:05 tenplus1 I can see you ordering some t-shirts :D
18:05 Megaf nah, but I got buyers for Megaf brand already
18:05 Megaf :O
18:06 tenplus1 I like the online t-shirt design and buy site :D
18:06 Megaf they are too expensive
18:08 Fixer hate that shit, when they load source page overloaded with s--- instead of actual mp4, f--- them
18:09 Fixer when someone dissallows hotlinking - first sign of bs
18:09 tenplus1 site design is a long lost art
18:09 benrob0329 Site efficiency is a long lost art
18:09 Megaf not my site...
18:10 garywhite Wasn't someone here talking about a MT merch site?
18:10 benrob0329 rubenwardy
18:11 xerox123 IhrFussel: my XP doesn't seem to increase on your server, Ive been level 3 14XP for about an hour now and been mining continuously
18:11 benrob0329 I should get some, that way the next time I visit Oregon sofar can have a better chance of spotting a wild benrob :PP
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18:31 Megaf can Discord do this!?
18:31 Megaf CPU Dual Core Intel Core2 Duo P8600 (-MCP-) speed/min/max 798/798/2394 MHz
18:31 Megaf Kernel 4.9.122-megaf x86_64 Up 4d 2h 30m Mem 1048.3/3691.8 MiB (28.4%)
18:31 Megaf Storage 126.33 GiB (26.9% used) Procs 206 Client Quassel v0.12.4 inxi 3.0.20
18:31 Megaf no! It can no!
18:31 Megaf IRC FTW
18:31 Megaf that was a /inxi in Quassel
18:31 tenplus1 heh
18:32 Megaf and how many people have an OS running in their computers with their on name on it!? Uh?
18:32 Megaf I do!
18:32 Megaf Random Megaf is Random
18:33 tenplus1 how do you mean own name ? not a nick ?
18:34 Fixer what you say?
18:35 Megaf $ uname -a
18:35 Megaf Linux Aluminium 4.9.122-megaf #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Aug 20 18:32:55 IST 2018 x86_64 GNU/Linux
18:35 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1 -- GlowStone code by anonymousAwesome
18:35 Megaf kernel 4.9.122-megaf
18:35 tenplus1 ohh, personal kernel :D
18:36 Megaf so, I updated my server
18:36 Megaf and kept my old subgame
18:36 tenplus1 http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.17.11/linux-headers-4.17.11-041711-generic_4.17.11-041711.201807280505_amd64.deb  my nick is in there a few times :DDDDDD
18:37 Megaf lol
18:38 Megaf so, Updated my server and now this happens https://i.imgur.com/IBI4iJO.png
18:38 Megaf ┻━┻ ︵ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ︵ ┻━┻
18:39 tenplus1 woah ???
18:39 tenplus1 what the hell
18:39 Megaf my reaction...
18:39 Megaf areas loaded...
18:40 tenplus1 did you find out what caused it ?
18:41 Megaf it looks like my old subgame is 99,9% incompatible with stable 4
18:41 Megaf everytime I update my server shit happens
18:41 tenplus1 werent you running 0.4.16 before ?
18:42 Megaf eh
18:42 Megaf lemme check
18:42 Megaf Minetest 0.4.17-dev-3d0617c (Linux)
18:42 Megaf that's what I had before
18:42 tenplus1 and it worked ?
18:43 Krock punch a node to see what it is
18:44 Megaf well, if I stop this new and restart the old it will work yes
18:44 Krock but it looks more like that your game is an empty directory
18:44 tenplus1 weird
18:44 Fixer subgames = games, use /mods folder
18:44 tenplus1 I checked all of the mods we run on server for the set_int issue and thankfully none were found, but am still wary of updating to 0.4.17-1
18:45 Krock most likely it's that. your game dir is wrecked, because "areas" loaded correctly
18:45 Megaf <ERROR> 2018-08-30 18:44:31: [Server] Item "default:leaves" not defined at position (-91,39,-22)
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18:46 Megaf what do you see if you join mt.megaf.info 30003 ?
18:46 Megaf !server Megaf
18:46 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.17.1 / minetest | Ping: 13ms
18:46 tenplus1 checking
18:47 Megaf (I just switched to default minetest game with --gameid minetest)
18:48 tenplus1 fastest loading server ever, with all of 3 mods active :DDD
18:48 tenplus1 something is up with your [game] folder
18:49 Megaf minetest@Minetest:~/MinetestBin$ bin/minetestserver --terminal --gameid list
18:49 Megaf 2018-08-30 18:49:19: WARNING[Main]: Couldn't find a locale directory!
18:49 Megaf MegafXploreNext
18:49 Megaf minetest
18:49 Megaf minimal
18:49 Megaf minetest is a fresh minetest_game
18:49 Megaf for stable 4
18:50 Megaf oh
18:50 Megaf hold on
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18:51 tenplus1 hi raven
18:51 Raven262 Hi ten
18:54 Megaf (I'm not balming Minetest this time)
18:54 Megaf (YET)
18:54 tenplus1 heh, am sure you'll fix it
18:54 Megaf since I had a higly custom subgame
18:54 Megaf highly*
18:54 tenplus1 that's why I tend to override mods instead of having a subgame, so many changes to take into account
18:55 Megaf I think I had the most vanilla highly customized subgame
18:55 Megaf because it looked like Minetest
18:55 Megaf but underhood is totally different
18:56 Megaf for instance
18:56 Megaf minetest@Minetest:~$ ls MegafServer/games/MegafXploreNext/
18:56 Megaf game.conf  minetest.conf
18:56 rubenwardy Compiling someone's kernel doesn't really count as having your name on it
18:56 Megaf inside my subgame there's only two conf files
18:56 rubenwardy You have your name on the build sure
18:56 Megaf right
18:56 Megaf are you jealous?
18:56 Megaf ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
18:56 tenplus1 :P
18:57 Megaf I am actually Loughing Out Loud here
18:57 Megaf meh, laughing*
18:57 rubenwardy My Linux kernel contribution should be upstreamed in a few months
18:57 tenplus1 Xubuntu 18.10 is pretty good so far, testing :P
18:57 tenplus1 Minetest 0.4.17-1 in repo's
18:59 benrob0329 ReactOS is pretty bad so far, the boot disk blue screen upon exiting the bootloader lol
18:59 Megaf tenplus1: bit better https://i.imgur.com/EDAcABu.png
19:00 tenplus1 yay, default works again, just those pesky mods now
19:01 tenplus1 reactOs is kinda stripped...  only thing I ever needed winblows for was the odd game, but thankfully Steam Beta lets you run them using proton within linux
19:02 benrob0329 But still with Wine problems
19:02 tenplus1 that's the thing, steam will tinker and tweak until it works properly :) that's the best part
19:03 tenplus1 they already have 100's of winblows games running fine :D
19:03 benrob0329 Well, as well as Valve ever gets anything working :P
19:03 benrob0329 Steam on Linux is already a bit of a mess tbh
19:04 tenplus1 has worked for me so far benbob :)
19:04 Megaf ok, lets add the mods now
19:04 Megaf one by one
19:04 Megaf first one, areas
19:04 benrob0329 tenplus1: it tends to work fine, except on setups where it doesnt
19:05 benrob0329 And you end up having to delete/patch some of steam's shipped libs, or go track down 32-bit dependencies
19:05 tenplus1 ubuntu already had the 32-bit depends ready for it
19:06 benrob0329 Yes but Steam is made for Ubuntu :-)
19:06 Krock waiting for Kernel 4.16.1 to finally use z3fold and lz4 for zswap
19:06 Krock better compression ratio apparently
19:06 tenplus1 what changes they make/add to ubuntu gets filtered to debian and other distro's through time
19:07 benrob0329 tenplus1: that depends, Ubuntu likes to attempt to reimplement the status quo
19:07 benrob0329 Mir, Snaps, Unity
19:07 tenplus1 I really did like Unity, then they replaced it with shitty gnome3 that's bloated and buggy
19:08 benrob0329 Well, Ubuntu's Gnome is bloated and buggy :P
19:08 Megaf meh, which one I use? https://github.com/minetest-mods/biome_lib or https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/biome_lib
19:08 Megaf and what about moretrees?
19:08 Megaf and what about plantlife?
19:08 benrob0329 tenplus1: Unity was just a less customizable Gnome3 tbh
19:09 tenplus1 vanessa's gitlab versions are more up to date
19:09 * Megaf using MATE
19:09 benrob0329 You can make Gnome3 act like Unity with Dash-to-dock and a theme
19:09 Megaf VanessaE: pingy
19:10 tenplus1 XFCE is better anyhoo :) works like a charm, and IceWM is being tested and runs smooth
19:10 Megaf mate and gnome 3 are the only ones that support all my keyboard keys
19:11 benrob0329 I have mixed feelings about XFCE
19:11 Megaf like keyboard backlight brightness and lcd screen brightness
19:11 Krock Megaf: maybe because mate is based on gnome 2
19:11 Megaf mate IS gnome 2
19:11 tenplus1 xfce keybindings are pretty good, and what isnt working can easily be added using gui
19:11 Megaf can anyone asnwer my question please?
19:11 Megaf and lets stop off topic
19:11 Megaf ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
19:12 Megaf ^ ^ ^  no idea what that means but I like it
19:12 Megaf I aliased it to /run
19:12 tenplus1 I like it, cartoony
19:12 benrob0329 [Ominous tone] Megaf, There is only one person that can answer your question
19:12 Krock Megaf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXBqf4Gfuo0
19:13 benrob0329 The legendary VanessaE.
19:13 benrob0329 (Dun dun dunnnn)
19:13 Megaf awesome song
19:14 Megaf lol, Queen, Tiger, running
19:14 Megaf that clip was made for me
19:15 RoaryTiger reglnx Roary tiGEr LiNuX, if anyone ever wondered what reglnx stood for
19:15 RoaryTiger if you don't know that reglnx is then nevermind
19:15 RoaryTiger just one of the many nicks I use
19:16 RoaryTiger Microsoft iPad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9suMg_JI_yY
19:16 * RoaryTiger has to stop
19:20 RoaryTiger tenplus1: so, the keys to increase and decrease brightness stuff dont work here for some reason
19:20 RoaryTiger in XFCE that is
19:20 tenplus1 really ? cheking
19:20 RoaryTiger benrob0329: XFCE is fantastic, I mean, it was, now a days it got a bit bloated, using almost as much RAM as MATE
19:21 RoaryTiger and actually, now a dasy GNOME 3 is so stable and rock solid it takes LESS ram than MATE
19:21 RoaryTiger tho it needs more CPU
19:21 tenplus1 working ok here
19:21 benrob0329 Which should change because there is a huge CPU drop in the next version
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19:21 Mr_Pardison \o tenplus1
19:21 tenplus1 could be your keyboard isnt setup
19:21 tenplus1 hi mister
19:23 RoaryTiger well, just saying it works on MATE and Gnome 3 out of the box
19:23 RoaryTiger I aint loosing my time thinkering with keyboard stuff
19:23 tenplus1 heh
19:29 tenplus1 funny thing is, when I test IceWM there's no keyboard manager at all, and the all just work ?!?!
19:32 * benrob0329 is sad that Linux is now mainstream enough to where to only get newbie results when searching using certain keywords
19:34 * Mr_Pardison sighs
19:34 RoaryTiger man, don't tell me about noob and keywords
19:34 tenplus1 lol
19:34 RoaryTiger have you ever tried to actually find an image of a LED!
19:34 RoaryTiger try!
19:35 RoaryTiger feel free to try led bulb, led lamp, led unit
19:35 Megaf !server Megaf
19:35 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.17.1 / minetest | Ping: 14ms
19:36 benrob0329 Megaf: the trick is to search "light emitting diode"
19:38 Megaf lamo
19:38 Megaf lmao
19:38 Megaf well
19:38 Megaf tenplus1: you were right, I'm slowly fixing everything https://i.imgur.com/zFVSDMl.png
19:39 tenplus1 yay
19:41 Megaf missing alias in default subgame? <ERROR> 2018-08-30 19:41:20: [Server] Item "fireflies:firefly" not defined at position (-6,4,0)
19:41 Megaf Shara
19:44 benrob0329 Megaf: fireflies were replaced by butterflies
19:44 benrob0329 But only in dev version I thought
19:44 * benrob0329 is not sure why fireflies were removed
19:45 sfan5 there's both fireflies & butterflies
19:45 sfan5 not sure why we have two
19:45 sfan5 oh well
19:46 benrob0329 sfan5: no fireflies were removed AFAIK, they weren't in the creative inventory anyways and they weren't spawning
19:46 sfan5 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/tree/master/mods/fireflies ???
19:47 Shara They were not removed. They're seperate mods because they're seperate.
19:47 * Shara shurgs
19:47 Shara or shrugs
19:47 Shara One of those
19:48 benrob0329 Odd then
19:48 Krock " They're seperate mods because they're seperate." please give me more of your life wisdom, Shara
19:48 benrob0329 Wait, weren't they getting merged into an insects mod or smth?
19:49 Krock benrob0329: I only remember a discussion about that; not a real change
19:49 Megaf og
19:49 Megaf oh
19:49 Megaf fireflies are not in stable!
19:50 Krock <Megaf> tenplus1: you were right, I'm slowly fixing everything
19:50 Krock said literally the same thing a few minutes before that
19:50 tenplus1 ehehehe
19:51 Megaf 19:54 <tenplus1> heh, am sure you'll fix it
19:51 Krock also, fireflies are 5.0 contents
19:51 Megaf no you did now Krock
19:51 Megaf can anyone grab fireflies mod link github please?
19:52 Megaf and while you at it, can you get me butterflies with that please?
19:52 Megaf I will be editing my world.mt
19:52 Krock Megaf: oh, I thought you referred to the source of the problem; rather than "you're fixing it"
19:52 Shara Megaf: They don't fully work in current stable due to the y offset.
19:53 Megaf Shara: I have them working nicely on Megaf Server...
19:53 Krock just move that collision box a little
19:53 Megaf had*
19:53 Megaf I can just copy the old mod over tho
19:53 Shara Using the MTG fireflies mod in current stable would be all kinds of bad
19:53 Shara Yes, but you used my own personal version, not the MTG one
19:53 Megaf yep
19:53 Shara :)
19:53 Megaf will, will just keep using the mod I have then
19:54 Krock oh. fireflies are actually just nodes
19:54 Megaf cp -R ../MegafServer/mods/fireflies mods/
19:54 Shara That's best, then come 5.0 time, you can switch to the MTG one (this is actually why it did not become an insects mod instead)
19:54 Megaf there
19:55 Shara Krock: they are plants :)
19:55 Krock they act like plants
19:55 Shara Hmm, strangely I didn't see other animated plants.
19:56 Megaf and first crash after update!
19:56 Krock they're kinda animated by shaders
19:56 Megaf 2018-08-30 19:56:07: ERROR[Main]: ModError: Failed to load and run script from /home/minetest/MinetestBin/bin/../mods/roads/streetsmod/init.lua:
19:56 Megaf 2018-08-30 19:56:07: ERROR[Main]: /home/minetest/MinetestBin/bin/../mods/roads/streetsmod/libs/smartfs/smartfs.lua: No such file or directory
19:56 Krock recursive clone
19:57 Shara What did you update, tiger?
19:57 Krock git submodule init
19:57 Megaf that happened after I added fireflies
19:57 Megaf :P
19:57 Megaf (true story tho)
19:57 garywhite I'm trying the HDX 32px, it makes a lot of stuff look more realistic, even the sun/moon
19:58 * benrob0329 remembers why none of his servers ever have a ton of mods on them
19:58 Krock benrob0329: you only need one modpack. dreambuilder.
19:58 Shara Megaf: did you move to current stable?
19:58 Megaf and I just proved that correlation is different than causation
19:59 Krock not meant serious tho
19:59 benrob0329 Krock: perhaps, but dream builder is huuuuuge
19:59 Megaf just because roads crashed when I added fireflies it doesnt mean fireflies are at fault
19:59 Mr_Pardison hopping be back l8r
19:59 Shara I switched only a couple of days ago, and only needed to update one mod so far
19:59 Megaf thanks Krock
19:59 * Mr_Pardison hands Shara a kitten
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19:59 Megaf rm -rf roads and git clone --recursive --depth=1 fixed
19:59 Krock nice
20:00 Krock you could also fix it with git submodule * afterwards without cloning again FYI
20:00 Megaf because I use --depth=1 (which save billions of gigabytes) the submodule didnt work
20:00 Krock oh well then..
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20:00 Megaf !server Megaf
20:00 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.17.1 / minetest | Ping: 13ms
20:00 tenplus1 o/ amaz
20:00 Megaf tenplus1: it will take a heck lot longer now
20:01 Megaf well, not that long since Im using sofar 's mediaserver
20:01 Amaz Hi :)
20:01 Megaf Hi Amaz
20:01 tenplus1 :)
20:01 Krock hi Amaz
20:02 Amaz Hello Megaf, hi Krock :)
20:03 * benrob0329 should make a server at some point
20:03 Megaf There, enough of fixing for today https://i.imgur.com/3D3dgtI.png
20:03 Megaf benrob0329: please don't
20:04 Megaf Megaf Server is hiring, just join us
20:04 Megaf I still don't know how to fix this <ERROR> 2018-08-30 20:01:23: [Server] Item "plasticbox:slab_plasticbox_grey_1" not defined at position (-37,17,-21)
20:05 Megaf it broke a long time ago
20:05 Megaf with some update in teh circular saw
20:05 Megaf basically the circular saw change a lot of names
20:05 Megaf and now theres a lot of stuff it can no longer cut
20:05 Megaf it could cut plastic boxes, now it cant anymore
20:05 tenplus1 which is why I dont use it
20:06 Megaf my server predates your "which why I dont use it"
20:06 Megaf :P
20:06 Megaf them lovely fireflies https://i.imgur.com/fdsBTx3.png
20:07 sofar my media server?
20:07 sofar nearly forgot about it
20:07 Megaf :O
20:08 sofar lets see how much BW it's doing atm
20:09 Krock did you switch the plans recently because it pushed the limits?
20:10 Krock *Didn't
20:11 sofar yeah, like, 6 weeks back I think?
20:12 sofar it's doing about 2-3gb a day
20:12 sofar 800000 hits on sunday, lol
20:13 benrob0329 Megaf: Megaf server doesn't have enough uptime to be hiring :P
20:13 IhrFussel 2-3 GB a day sounds like almost nothing...my server (no media server used) reports several TB per month
20:14 sofar I get 5000-7000 hits per week for some hot media files
20:14 Megaf benrob0329 ( ͡° ʖ̯ ͡°)
20:15 sofar 5204 unique visitors in a week last week
20:15 IhrFussel Well it depends on which server downloads what media files
20:15 IhrFussel My media is ~ 45 MB
20:16 IhrFussel So when 25 new players download it I reached 1 GB already
20:16 Megaf thankfully I have a dedicated server and don't have to care so much about quotas
20:17 Megaf be back later, gonna make some popcorn with butter in the pan
20:19 tenplus1 om nom nom
20:25 tenplus1 nite folks o//
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20:26 aerozoic If i put a mod in the worldmods folder, where does the minetest.conf go for that mod?
20:27 aerozoic or any mod in that folder.
20:28 Krock main minetest.conf file
20:28 Krock per-world settings do not exist yet
20:29 aerozoic oh crap
20:29 aerozoic how do i hide my password for the IRC mod then?
20:29 Calinou it ought to be settable using an environment variable… not sure if the mod supports that
20:30 Calinou 12-factor, you know :) https://12factor.net/config
20:37 Megaf ┬┴┬┴┤( ͡° ͜ʖ├┬┴┬┴
20:39 rud0lf creepy
20:41 Megaf ¯\_( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)_/¯
20:41 Megaf ( ͡°( ͡° ͜ʖ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ʖ ͡°) ͡°)
20:41 Megaf (ノ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°ノ) ︵ ( ͜。 ͡ʖ ͜。)
20:41 Megaf L(° O °L)
20:42 Megaf enjoy http://asciimoji.com/
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21:32 sofar really ought to move IRC config to a modstorage then
21:32 sofar but that's why I use --config on all my servers....
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22:00 benrob0329 https://mastodon.art/@benrob0329/100641430864927538
22:00 benrob0329 :PP
22:22 IhrFussel How can this crash as "nil value" ?? if driver and driver:is_player() then
22:22 IhrFussel attempt to call method 'is_player' (a nil value)
22:24 IhrFussel Should I use minetest.is_player(driver:get_player_name()) ? I think get_player_name() already crashed before
22:25 Shara Try it and find out?
22:26 IhrFussel It's a random crash even...only happens sometimes...maybe it's about player leaving the game while in a car and attacked by monster
22:31 IhrFussel But if a player leaves driver should be nil... the error came from mobs_monster mod so very likely something about attacking a (non-existent?) player
22:39 rubenwardy aerozoic:   use --config
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22:43 paramat Megaf please restrain offtopic :)
22:52 Megaf ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
22:52 * Megaf runs away
22:52 Megaf paramat: why you no -chat?
22:53 paramat hmm i could ..
22:53 Megaf well, going to bed now, g'night everyone, server is up, thoug still lots of mods missing
22:53 Megaf !server Megaf
22:53 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.17.1 / minetest | Ping: 13ms
22:54 Megaf g'nite!
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