Time  Nick          Message
07:13 * VanessaE    pokes sofar home yet? ;)
07:18 VanessaE      jeez, ded
07:22 VanessaE      !tell Krock merge commits ftw ;)
07:22 MinetestBot   VanessaE: I'll pass that on when Krock is around
07:58 MinetestBot   Krock: Aug-25 07:22 UTC <VanessaE> merge commits ftw ;)
07:58 Krock         no no no
07:59 VanessaE      yes yes yes :)
07:59 Krock         but why
07:59 VanessaE      also idk if gitlab has that button either, never really looked.
08:01 IcyDiamond    what button?
08:01 VanessaE      I don't like merge commits either, btw.  only kidding :)
08:02 VanessaE      IcyDiamond: merge button in gitlab issues.  github's version has a squash-and-merge option
08:03 IcyDiamond    VanessaE: https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-08-25-11:03:06.png
08:03 VanessaE      ah, I didn't even look at those checkboxes :P
08:04 IcyDiamond    :P
08:17 VanessaE      Krock: merge merge merge :)
08:23 Krock         eww
08:24 VanessaE      what?
08:29 Krock         I wonder whether squash does a rebase too, so that the merge commit is no longer required
08:29 Krock         should try that one on a test repo
08:30 VanessaE      I think so
08:37 ANAND         Would someone be able to explain what a merge commit is? :)
08:41 VanessaE      something Krock likes to avoid ;)
08:42 Krock         ANAND: imagine it like glue that holds two branches together
08:43 ANAND         So a merge commit contains changes from all the commits of a branch?
08:43 Krock         and depending on the commit date, the final master branch will have commits that are listed in between the commits of the other branch
08:43 ANAND         oh
08:44 ANAND         the commits are still separate then
08:44 Krock         the commits are separate but the merge commit again documents all changes
08:44 ANAND         Ah I see... that makes it clear
08:44 ANAND         thanks :)
08:45 Krock         !next
08:45 MinetestBot   Another satisfied customer. Next!
08:50 Krock         ANAND: and you could compare the rebase/squash & merge method with Blockchain. One straight line of changes, where each commit is based on the previous commit.
08:51 Krock         a nice side-effect is that git log --oneline --graph has only a single level of indents
08:52 ANAND         umm... what's a Blockchain?
08:52 ANAND         Sorry for the dumb questions, I'm a git when it comes to Git :P
08:52 VanessaE      these days, a marketing gimmick :P
08:53 VanessaE      *rimshot*
08:54 ANAND         I like the squash-merge method more than the others, as it results in a more straight-forward history
08:55 ANAND         as Krock said
08:56 Krock         just use Blockchain, Deep Learning and AI in one sentence and you'll be known as someone who has absolutely no idea about these topics
08:56 VanessaE      haha
08:56 ANAND         lol
08:56 Krock         the irony is that I used them in a sentence
09:25 ChimneySwift  I agree, although I personally prefer to blockchain my AI workflow to allow for better synergy between the AI and Deep Learning algorithms to achieve a higher degree of distributed cloud networking.
09:26 ChimneySwift  xP
09:26 ANAND         haha
09:45 VanessaE      *flops coffee cup down on table*
09:51 * Krock       gives ANAND string.format for https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/7677/files#diff-c6d551e431c1fb79f5cf714da9b6c604R1071
09:52 ANAND         I had half the mind to do that
09:52 ANAND         Will change it
09:52 Krock         a half too less
09:52 VanessaE      some of my code is horrible, but ouch. :)
09:53 Krock         ANAND: and I think it belongs into a MTG PR because some games might not want that players can lookup others
09:53 ANAND         it's moderator only
09:53 ANAND         for that very reason :)
09:56 ANAND         Krock, updated PR to make use of string.format
09:56 ANAND         thanks for the extra push ;)
09:58 * VanessaE    quietly nudges five outstanding PRs in Krock's direction ;)
09:58 VanessaE      oh btw,
09:59 VanessaE      in answer to your question, yes there are tons of new recipes, but there doesn't seem to be any problem with that, aside from slightly longer startup time (like 2 seconds on my rather slow box)
09:59 VanessaE      (Dreambuilder probably has 50'000 or more recipes by now)
10:00 Krock         VanessaE: oh yes. I'd also like to have my MTE PRs merged soon
10:00 Krock         (totally not wooosh)
10:00 VanessaE      heh
10:01 Krock         you also have to consider that the recipes are cached - but still looked up each craft
10:02 VanessaE      yep, I expected as much, but there's no way to avoid having tons of recipes, short of only registering crafts for just a subset of colors.
10:02 VanessaE      but even with tons of them, I haven't noticed a problem
10:03 Krock         I kinda liked the previous dye punch mechanism. Only the chat messages were a bit distracting
10:03 VanessaE      most people hated it.
10:03 VanessaE      (including me :P )
10:04 Krock         it would be great if someone could measure the execution time to get a recipe, which is my main concern of this method
10:04 VanessaE      it would be fairly trivial to put the punch-to-recolor mechanism back in, as an opt-in from mod to mod.
10:06 VanessaE      either way, I'm willing to bet it takes less overall CPU now than before :)
10:06 Krock         Will merge https://github.com/minetest-mods/technic/pull/406 https://github.com/minetest-mods/technic/pull/412 and https://github.com/minetest-mods/technic/pull/434 in 15 mins
10:09 VanessaE      besides, all of my PRs are live on my servers already, and my server stats page suggests no appreciable change.
10:10 VanessaE      https://daconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/stats-weekly.html
10:11 VanessaE      (ignore the increase that started at around "06:00 Sat", that's unrelated)
10:14 Krock         I see
10:17 VanessaE      sorry I don't have better benchmarks :)
10:17 VanessaE      the punch-to-color can always be put back in at a later date.  for a mod, it would be a one- or two-line change per node.
10:18 Krock         Looking at the monthly comparisons there seemed to be a mod which ate a lot memory
10:18 VanessaE      for unified dyes itself, I should be able to bring the old code back in without change.
10:18 VanessaE      yeah, that's a memory leak of some kind, been there for years.
10:19 Krock         now gone.. somehow
10:19 VanessaE      yeah, still not sure what happened. :)
10:19 VanessaE      in fact,
10:20 VanessaE      since those huge ones span weeks at a time, definitely NOT MT.
10:20 VanessaE      (my servers reboot daily)
10:20 VanessaE      (those giant CPU spikes every day at about 11:00 are the reboot cycle + minetest mapper)
10:21 Krock         probably also the backups?
10:21 VanessaE      (er 12:00)
10:21 VanessaE      yes, exactly.
10:21 Krock         merging the PRs..
10:22 VanessaE      the basic process does a shut down, rsync for 5-10 mins, a few cleanups, restart, and then it runs the mapper in the background (using the just-made backup as the data source)
10:22 VanessaE      -=> MERGE ALL THE PR'S "\:D/ <=-
10:22 VanessaE      (I really should make a macro for that :)
10:26 Krock         )
10:27 VanessaE      https://xkcd.com/859/
10:28 IhrFussel     Umm...is it possible to hack your client in a way that it allows you to dig blocks without any tool just with your hands?
10:29 VanessaE      yes, but the server should still be able to block an invalid dig
10:29 VanessaE      it would just look like lag.
10:29 VanessaE      I mean, it's not like the server doesn't know what node is being dug.
10:30 IhrFussel     Well someone just dug moreblocks:stone_tile with no visible tool in hand (wieldview mod) and players file says List hand 1 Width 0 Empty
10:31 VanessaE      sounds like the server failed to validate the action then
10:31 Krock         or wieldview updated too slowly
10:31 VanessaE      or that.
10:31 Krock         )  VanessaE, that's mainly why I closed the bracket above
10:32 VanessaE      error: unmatched right parenthesis
10:32 Krock         VanessaE: it came from xkcd
10:32 VanessaE      heh
10:32 VanessaE      I know
10:32 Krock         I think you can dig a node too fast if the next dug node times are normal
10:32 IhrFussel     Ok that's weird...now he clearly got a tool in his hand but player file still says Empty
10:32 Krock         there's a little tolerance for it
10:33 Krock         however, it requires that the tool can actually dig the node
10:34 ANAND         https://xkcd.com/1597/
10:34 Krock         IhrFussel: your server is the first one (and still the only one) on which I played and couldn't use the hand slot :D
10:34 ANAND         My thoughts exactly :D
10:34 IhrFussel     So is it intended that you can't use that slot in inventory?
10:34 Krock         ANAND: in rare cases that might be actually the best choice (corrupted .git dir, for example)
10:35 IhrFussel     Or is it a mod that prevents it...I'm confused
10:35 Krock         IhrFussel: intended to be used by mods/games
10:35 ANAND         that, or a totally messed up rebase ;)
10:35 Krock         huh? you can fix the rebase when it's ongoing
10:35 Krock         and if you solved conflicts the wrong way then it's your fault lol
10:36 Krock         s/fix/undo/
10:36 IhrFussel     Wait a sec...very old player files don't even have a "hand" inventory
10:37 Krock         IhrFussel: let me guess. those players are older than 3 years
10:37 IhrFussel     Nope more like 2.5 years
10:38 Krock         0.4.13 from 20 Aug 2015 does contain it for the first time
10:39 Krock         wait no, it was delayed
10:40 Krock         first time appeared in 0.4.15, 22 Dec 2016
10:40 Krock         this matches quite well with your 2.5 years
10:40 Krock         assuming you always used stable versions
10:41 IhrFussel     No I used -dev versions in 2016 but I only updated every few months
10:42 IhrFussel     So does this mean those players cannot use the hand slot or will it be created by a mod if it needs them?
10:52 Krock         neither
10:52 Krock         it's created by the engine
11:45 IhrFussel     Krock, why is it missing then in my active player file from 2016?
11:49 Krock         -.-
12:09 Fixer         https://i.imgur.com/fADMkl9.png         *_*
12:12 ChimneySwift  what does the hand slot even do? is it for displaying what the player is holding? or something to do with what's in inventory?
12:14 Krock         it's for mods to let the player upgrade their hand .. like skills
12:14 ChimneySwift  ahhh that makes sense
12:14 Krock         !up ente.kak.si 34617
12:14 MinetestBot   ente.kak.si:34617 is up (36ms)
12:15 Krock         ^ My 2014/15 testing server
12:15 Krock         !server Krock
12:15 MinetestBot   Krock: Krock's 2014 Archive | ente.kak.si:34617 | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 5.0.0-dev-debug / minetest_game | Ping: 27ms
12:15 Krock         Fly & fast is granted on join
12:19 aerozoic      Wazup peeps!  So what's the latest and greatest ban mod?
12:21 ChimneySwift  sban if you don't mind the extra configuration (Imo)
12:22 ChimneySwift  xban2 is cool but no good if you have a lot of players (easy to corrupt the database)
12:28 aerozoic      frustration with xban2 has led to my investigating for a replacement
12:28 aerozoic      i'll check out sban
12:30 Shara         I favour sban
12:31 ChimneySwift  it uses an sqlite3 database so corruption is highly unlikely, it also imports xban2 databases (if you can call it that) if there's still anything left :p
12:31 Shara         Started with xban2 originally but got to the point where it was corrupting over and over
12:32 Krock         xban2 could make use of safe_write_file
12:32 ChimneySwift  yup, it gets annoying, I also doubt it scales well
12:33 ChimneySwift  in regards to performance, idk
13:24 Krock         pls ANAND
13:24 Krock         I did not mean THAT with string.format
13:26 Krock         check this out: return string.format("%.1f", -631.4324)
13:59 longerstaff13 !up mt.xeroxirc.net 30002
13:59 MinetestBot   mt.xeroxirc.net:30002 is up (10ms)
14:08 ANAND         sorry Krock, I'll change it right away :P
14:09 Krock         don't hurry too much. I'm also not sure whether MTE is the right place for it
14:13 ANAND         MTE or MTG, the PR should be merge-worthy. If this should go to MTG, I could just copy-paste the code :)
14:15 A-Hamilton    Question. Does anyone else think that being able to set up an auotcrafter to accept an item from a certain group?
14:15 A-Hamilton    For example, when making oil extract in an autocrafter, you would be able to set it so that it would take the group of leaves instead of just a single type.
14:16 Shara         If you mean the whereis command, it's equally bad in MTE or MTG for me.
14:17 Shara         A-Hamilton: your question is missing some words I think, but if it means what I think it does, would be nice
14:17 A-Hamilton    I tried to word it as best I could.
15:03 Krock         Every 5.0-dev server in a nutshell: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1039295
15:03 rubenwardy    Lol
15:04 A-Hamilton    Krock: my version of firefox can't handle that link.
15:04 A-Hamilton    heh
15:06 Krock         A-Hamilton: interesting. It's a text file
15:11 rdococ        and it's literally 8 lines, how can firefox not handle that
15:12 Krock         rdococ: plus a bunch of header information
15:12 Krock         the headers are maybe twice as long than the file there
15:12 rdococ        Krock: fairy snuff
15:19 rubenwardy    Please may someone who understands french translate this?  https://twitter.com/fred_cm1b/status/1032181842596659201?s=19
15:20 rubenwardy    Summarise maybe
15:20 Krock         expected text. will fail to translate audio properly
15:21 rubenwardy    Yeah, if it was text I could get the rough idea with some guessing and Google translate
15:29 Krock         They looked at multiple topics with the students (transport, energy) in multiple groups for each topic.
15:33 Krock         the background noise doesn't help understanding it, but they re-built the solution which each group found in Minetest
15:34 Krock         (after doing research about their topics)
15:36 Krock         A task for the groups was also to present their results
15:40 Krock         EOT
15:45 xerox123_     I'm awful at listening to french, especially when they are talking at full speed
15:46 Krock         Speed is not a problem here, but the background noise and that they use 10 words where one would suffice
16:52 Fixer         irc turns 30!
17:03 rud0lf        really?
17:23 rubenwardy    new feature    -   https://content.minetest.net/packages/?q=mobs     (check the bottom of the page)
17:28 Krock         "ContentDB © 2018 to rubenwardy | GitHub | Help | Report / DMCA"
17:28 Krock         nothing special there
17:28 rubenwardy    :P
17:28 * rubenwardy  kicks Krock
17:29 Krock         reeeee
17:35 rdococ        > saying 'reeeee'
17:36 Krock         > implying it's wrong doing so
17:45 rdococ        > it's associated with a meme that makes fun of autism and you're literally talking to an autistic person
17:51 rubenwardy    another new feature  https://content.minetest.net/packages/?type=mod&q=awards&lucky=sure
17:51 rubenwardy    also works with forum topics     https://content.minetest.net/packages/?type=mod&q=simple+mobs&lucky=sure
18:04 Krock         rdococ: wasn't targetting that meme
18:07 Krock         rubenwardy: heh.. can do that too already, just see krock-works.16mb.com/MTstuff/modSearch.php?q=rickroll&lucky=sure
18:08 Krock         * http://krock-works.16mb.com/MTstuff/modSearch.php?q=rickroll&lucky=sure
18:08 rubenwardy    I'm aware
18:08 rubenwardy    nice easter egg
18:09 Krock         usually aware after clicking
19:19 Krock         Merging https://github.com/minetest-mods/technic/pull/438 in 5 mins
19:35 tenplus1      hi folks :)  hey Krock
19:35 Krock         hi tenplus1
19:48 tenplus1      o/ fixer
19:49 tenplus1      Shara: I examined the code for "ColourCubes" and found that you cannot actually craft any of the cubes, it's a creative only mod so NO need for dye/colours at all, just give yourself a block and place.
19:50 tenplus1      you can only switch between cubes using crafting, but no initial recipe for the basic cube... pah!
19:55 Shara         ...huh?
19:55 tenplus1      o/
19:56 Shara         Hi 11 :)
19:56 Shara         And... not really sure what to say about that.
19:56 tenplus1      wuzzy's colour cubes mod, the one where he's moaning about not having unicolor etc.
19:56 tenplus1      he doesnt have a creaft recipe fvor the actual cube./.. so it's a creative only mod
19:56 tenplus1      so it doesnt need dyes at all, you just need to give yourself the blocks... silly wuxxy
19:56 tenplus1      *zz
20:02 Shara         So that's one mod on the list of five that he's simply wrong about, one mod the author considers "dead" and one mod that would be creative only anyway.
20:02 tenplus1      at this point am taking nothing else he says seriously
20:03 Shara         That's kind of the problem with the whole "issue"
20:16 Fixer         \o
20:26 Krock         tenplus1: I wonder what will change when 5.0 is out. Current status of a regular server: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1039333
20:27 tenplus1      hrm,interesting
20:27 Krock         just to bring you away from the annoying dye topic
20:27 tenplus1      lol, am not worried about dye anymore :)
20:29 rdococ        can't wait for 16 million dye mod
20:29 tenplus1      lol,hi rdococ
20:29 rdococ        you could double the number of colors by having two nodes... per node
20:30 tenplus1      with the addition of param colours we only need 1 node and maybe a colour gun to change it's shade/color
20:30 rdococ        you mean the color palette thing?
20:30 rdococ        or is there another color system now?
20:31 tenplus1      hardware colouring, it's in the engine now
20:31 tenplus1      you can register a single node and change it's colour to anything
20:32 rdococ        wait, so no palettes?
20:33 rdococ        unless I misunderstand you
20:33 tenplus1      not really, but you could use colourmachines or formspec palette selectors to change say a spraycan or paint roller which you use to colour blocks now
20:34 rdococ        my idea is to double the number of colors by doubling the number of nodes
20:34 * VanessaE    peeks in
20:34 tenplus1      hi Vanessa
20:34 rdococ        so you'd have one brick node, and another with a different set of colors
20:34 tenplus1      rdococ:  with h/w colouring oyu only need one node and you can change it to ANY colour
20:35 rdococ        tenplus1: I'm confused now
20:35 tenplus1      lol, VanessaE you got any good examples of it's use
20:35 rdococ        if you mean the coloring system that uses per-node palettes, I know that exists (if it does exist... does it? crap, I'm mega-confused now)
20:36 VanessaE      tenplus1: simplest I can think of is the blox mod.
20:36 VanessaE      full UD palette, with nodes you craft before dying and nodes you can dye right out of default.
20:37 tenplus1      rdococ: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1960
20:37 tenplus1      thanks Vanessa
20:37 VanessaE      that's the one
20:38 VanessaE      also, I like your spray can idea, tenplus1.  consider it stol... ahem, appropriated :)
20:38 tenplus1      ahaha that's fine :)
20:39 tenplus1      any colour paramtype that can use it woudl benefit from selecting colour and spraying it :D
20:39 tenplus1      would save a lot of hassle crafting, just gottamake sure you have appropriate dye in stock fir can
20:40 VanessaE      lots of people hated the old place-and-punch scheme, but a few people have requested its return, so I'll try to work out something.
20:40 tenplus1      I did enjoy punching nodes with dye, and breaking them returned the dye :)
20:41 tenplus1      but yeah, a paintcan or spraycan could effectively spray any colour you put into it multiple times
20:41 VanessaE      right,
20:41 VanessaE      only this will not return the old dye, because really... that's just stupid now :)
20:41 tenplus1      you can safely pick up a node that has been coloured and it will use it's own inventory slot ?
20:41 VanessaE      yep
20:42 tenplus1      kewl, then it's all good
20:42 VanessaE      works exactly like it used to in the old days before hardware coloring.
20:42 tenplus1      and whenplacing said node using set_node you just alter param2 ?
20:42 VanessaE      pretty much,
20:43 VanessaE      the engine handles that for the most part
20:43 tenplus1      excellent
20:43 VanessaE      the color is stored in the item's metadata and inherited on place, dig, or drop
20:43 tenplus1      then all we need is a colour machine to handleshades and let us pain the town :D
20:43 VanessaE      exactly.
20:43 tenplus1      :))))
20:43 VanessaE      Sokomine: ^^^^
20:44 tenplus1      yup, thinking the same
20:44 tenplus1      and on that note I sleep... nite folks :))
20:44 VanessaE      only drawback is that there's no support in either default creative inventory or in unified inventory for the colored itemstacks feature, so no way to show anything other than the white "neutral" nodes
20:45 tenplus1      we'll sort that when it comes time
20:45 tenplus1      o///
20:45 VanessaE      unless the mod just registers one node per color, which few do.
20:46 VanessaE      (colormachine normally handled that)
20:46 Shara         Well, I'm sticking with registering seperate nodes per colour in my mods for the time being, but I only generally use a limited set of colours anyway, so it's not a big deal
21:10 VanessaE      gah, inventory images don't support alpha??
21:18 Shara         Nope
21:18 VanessaE      :(
21:19 Shara         That is pretty much how I feel about it as well :(
21:22 rdococ        I wish GUI elements like on the touchscreen were more consistent in their positioning and sizes tbh
21:27 VanessaE      ok, now about tools.... how do I make on_use repeat continuously while the player holds the button?
21:28 VanessaE      (i.e. I want the tool to do something other than dig, but repeatedly)