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08:44 tenplus1 hi folks :)
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08:57 tenplus1 hey fixer :)
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08:58 tenplus1 o/ CWz
08:58 CWz 10+1
08:58 tenplus1 :)
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09:16 tenplus1 hi longer
09:16 longerstaff13-m Morning 11
09:19 tenplus1 o/
09:24 Fixer hi
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09:41 tenplus1 hi andro
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09:44 tenplus1 o/ bob
09:44 tenplus1 builtin_item updated - https://notabug.org/tenplus1/builtin_item
09:45 Bobr O/ tenplus1 how r u
09:45 tenplus1 tired but okie
09:45 tenplus1 you ?
09:45 Bobr same
09:45 tenplus1 lol
09:46 Bobr yodels delivering this new pc
09:46 tenplus1 hope it arrives ok
09:46 Bobr it better lol
09:46 tenplus1 :P
09:47 Bobr i was gonna ring em up and kick off but then i thought about the pure soul who would have to deal with me lol
09:48 tenplus1 when it comes to a new toy, we're always eager for it to arrive :P
09:48 Bobr yeah i still dont know whether to dual boot it or use a vm
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09:50 Bobr morning Gael-de-Sailly
09:50 tenplus1 hi Gael-de-Sailly
09:50 Gael-de-Sailly Hi :)
09:51 Bobr the only problem is ive never installed on windows lol
09:51 tenplus1 Bobr: the mobo will have VT-x so should be able to run virtualbox as if it were on bare metal
09:51 tenplus1 that's how mines is setup on my other desktop
09:52 Bobr thats good
09:52 tenplus1 Xubuntu as my main Os running on desktop 1, and desktop 2 (when needed) is Windows 10 lite (for testing only)
09:52 Bobr yeah might do that
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11:03 tenplus1 builtin_item updated - https://notabug.org/tenplus1/builtin_item - added 'dropped_step' function to customize dropped items
11:06 tenplus1 e.g. dropped ice can float on water... dropped gunpowder can explode on lit gunpowder... and more
11:07 Bobr thats clever
11:07 tenplus1 ooh, saplings could replant themselves if dropped on dirt for a time
11:07 Bobr couldnt that cause uneccary lag
11:07 tenplus1 nope
11:07 tenplus1 I've tweaked builtin_item to reduce lag
11:07 Bobr oooh i c
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11:11 tenplus1 https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/builtin_item/src/master/README.md
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11:34 tenplus1 hi raven
11:34 Raven262 Hi ten
11:35 ChimneySwift oh wow. that's really cool lol
11:36 tenplus1 hi chimney
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11:37 tenplus1 wb
11:41 Raven262 thanks ten
11:45 Bobr dun dun dun
11:46 tenplus1 dramatic :P
11:54 ChimneySwift hi tenplus1
11:54 ChimneySwift XD
11:54 tenplus1 what's new ?
11:55 ChimneySwift oh I'm sure y'all will love this one: Windows update completely consumed my mobile date for this month
11:55 tenplus1 ouch, how big was it ?
11:55 ChimneySwift 3gb
11:55 ChimneySwift and it failed too
11:55 ChimneySwift lmao
11:56 tenplus1 o.O I could have installed xubuntu twice over with that amount
11:56 ChimneySwift yep...
11:56 Bobr n lollol
11:56 tenplus1 win 10 ???
11:56 ChimneySwift yep
11:57 tenplus1 did you disable the feature that shares updates with other users, at the expence of your data/wifi ?
11:58 ChimneySwift I think I'm going to dual boot and slowly switch to Linux in light of this... I think that was the last straw, if I can get everything I need to work though :/
11:58 ChimneySwift mhm
11:58 tenplus1 what do you use most on windows ?
12:01 Bobr why not just move to linux and use a vm for windows
12:01 ChimneySwift a lot of stuff lol. mainly chrome, discord, sublime text, GIMP, minetest and of course this weird software I need for school, all of which have native Linux variants or are replaceable... except the school software XD
12:02 ChimneySwift it's likely I'll infrequently use windows for. the few games I have that need it
12:02 ChimneySwift looking now and most stuff should transfer
12:02 tenplus1 if it's a decent enough system you could use WINE for specific software or virtualbox for w10 itself
12:05 tenplus1 what school s/w do you use ?
12:06 ChimneySwift yeah I'm sure I can get it all working with a bit of time, I'll just slowly chip away at it till it's as good as or better than what I got. a lot of the software will just have to be replaced
12:06 tenplus1 been using linux since 2008 here :) never looked back
12:07 ChimneySwift haha yeah, if only I had started with Linux :p
12:07 tenplus1 it;s easy enough to pick up if you get a distro you like
12:08 ChimneySwift I think it's based off Java, but they've wrapped it in some kind of custom application so I'll need to. dig into it. if all else fails wine should probably run it
12:08 ChimneySwift yeah
12:08 ChimneySwift I just want to match windows before I switch for good
12:09 tenplus1 heh
12:10 ChimneySwift which probably won't be that hard lol
12:11 ChimneySwift just need to find alternatives to some programs
12:11 tenplus1 which one's ?
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12:14 tenplus1 wb CWz
12:19 ChimneySwift a few I'm thinking of are rainmeter (custom desktop widgets) , networx (network usage monitoring) , autohotkey (program able kb shortcuts) , greenshot (excellent screens shot software) , and also my Wacom and Logitech drivers, although I would assume those exist cause they're fairly common
12:20 ChimneySwift I'm sure there are obvious alternatives for some of these but I haven't looked
12:22 tenplus1 rainmeter = conky, autohotkey is easy with shortcutkeys on each distro, networx has many alternatives for desktop; meters or taskbar, greenshot has many alternatives (press printscreen usually), and wacom/logitech  is already supported
12:24 ChimneySwift sweet. networks is quite thorough on its usage reports but I'm sure there's one out there, seems like something a lot of people would want
12:26 tenplus1 lxde, xfce, gnome3, kde, cinmamon and even icewm all have their own network usage widget or tray
12:26 ChimneySwift too easy XD
12:26 tenplus1 so much choice, that's the issue :P
12:27 ChimneySwift ikr 😂
12:27 tenplus1 my current desktop has IceWM which sits at a nice 160mb on desktop and has 3x trays bottom right with network, battery/power and memory usage :)
12:29 ChimneySwift yay customizability
12:29 ChimneySwift and I can turn the updates off? lol. jk
12:29 tenplus1 lol, of course :) and they are a hell of a lot faster, smaller and more stable than winblows updates
12:30 ChimneySwift hahaha
12:30 ChimneySwift Microsoft has gotta have something going on with the ISPs lol
12:31 tenplus1 they have their sticky fingers in everything
12:32 ChimneySwift like you'd think that a company to invested in updating all the time would be able to update without failing
12:32 ChimneySwift lol
12:32 ChimneySwift *so
12:33 tenplus1 with w10 they gather so much information which is prolly passed to M$ during update to know what you are using etc.
12:35 ChimneySwift wouldn't be surprised
12:36 ChimneySwift I have less of a problem with that, more of an issue with their attitude
12:36 ChimneySwift reminds me more of apple lol
12:36 tenplus1 yeah, them and apple are no longer customer focused... it's more like my way or no way
12:37 Mr_Pardison_ yeah.
12:37 tenplus1 wb mister
12:38 ChimneySwift yup exactly. why I'm realizing I should probably just get out while I still can lol. look at apple and you can hardly export your own calendar
12:39 Mr_Pardison_ I've been here, just lurking in the background.
12:40 tenplus1 ehehe, lurking with noms I hope P
12:41 Mr_Pardison_ lurking with the sandman.
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13:50 benrob0329 Hello tenplus1
13:51 tenplus1 hi benrob :)
13:51 tenplus1 hey aerozoic
13:51 aerozoic wazup tenplus1!
13:51 tenplus1 lolol nice vid
14:13 tenplus1 ehehe, his videos are interestingly strange
14:46 Megaf anyone here with Autism or Aspergers? Pop in #Minetest-Chat to chat maybe?
14:46 tenplus1 hi Megaf
14:46 tenplus1 what's going on in -chat ?
14:47 Megaf nothing
14:47 Megaf I just arrived here and I'm inviting people who have Aspergers or Autism to Chat to chat with me
14:48 Megaf I'm 99% sure I'm Autistic and have Aspergers
14:48 tenplus1 what makes you think that ?
14:48 Megaf very long list of stuff, but I'm not allowed to chat here
14:48 Fuchs Megaf: there is a project / channel on freenode for people in that spectrum, if you are interested
14:49 tenplus1 hi Fuchs
14:49 Fuchs tenplus1: hi :)
14:49 Megaf Fuchs: throw it
14:49 Megaf I mean, which one
14:50 Fuchs sent in query, to avoid a peanut gallery  (not that I suspect there being many in #minetest-hub, but ...)
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14:50 tenplus1 eb bob
14:50 tenplus1 *wb
14:58 Bobr thanks
15:00 tenplus1 my gaming keyuboard finally arrived :P yay... lights up and is waterproof
15:00 rubenwardy Woo
15:00 rubenwardy Congrats
15:00 tenplus1 not bad for 14 quid :D
15:00 rud0lf tenplus1: is it wsad + 12345 ?
15:00 rud0lf ;)
15:01 tenplus1 heh, that's all ya need :D
15:01 Mr_Pardison_ YASSSS!
15:01 rud0lf oh and escape
15:01 rud0lf :)
15:01 Mr_Pardison_ Always need an escape.
15:01 Mr_Pardison_ a.ka. MT :P
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15:19 tenplus1 hi fussel
15:20 IhrFussel Hey tenplus1
15:21 IhrFussel Can I use minetest.get_auth_handler().get_auth(playername) with sauth? I mean is it compatible with all default auth functions?
15:21 tenplus1 never tried it
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15:25 tenplus1 wb ben
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15:38 tenplus1 o/ Krock
15:38 rubenwardy Yes, IhrFussel
15:38 Krock hi tenplus1 :)
15:39 IhrFussel rubenwardy, thanks =) So to get only the last login it's  minetest.get_auth_handler().get_auth(playername).last_login right? Is the result a string or number?
15:39 rubenwardy Not sure
15:39 rubenwardy Dump it
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16:10 tenplus1 o/ paramat
16:15 paramat !tell ChimneySwift hi, just a friendly reminder, please restrain offtopic, <50 lines, or use #minetest-chat
16:15 MinetestBot paramat: yeah, yeah
16:15 paramat lol
16:16 Mr_Pardison_ hehe
16:19 IcyDiamond lol
16:20 tenplus1 hi icy
16:29 rubenwardy MinetestBot knows what's up
16:29 rubenwardy In the discord, there's less offtopic in the main channel
16:29 rubenwardy I feel like that's because everyone joins all channels by default
16:29 rubenwardy Nothing we can do about this
16:29 ANAND Good point
16:29 rubenwardy Also, tenplus1
16:29 rubenwardy :)
16:30 rubenwardy Real code from tenplus1's drivers:   std::array<Channel,1> channels;
16:31 rubenwardy Nah, just kidding
16:32 rubenwardy tenplus1 would obviously be written in a beautiful language like Kotlin, not c++
16:32 tenplus1 ??
16:32 * tenplus1 has coffee
16:34 rubenwardy Heh, bad joke
16:34 tenplus1 least it's not cobol :P
16:35 rubenwardy Ew
16:35 tenplus1 :P
16:35 rubenwardy struct Channel channels[1];
16:35 rubenwardy Slightly better
16:37 Krock std::array<struct Channel*, 1> *channels[1];
16:37 rubenwardy Ew
16:37 rubenwardy No
16:37 Krock Slightly better
16:37 shivajiva IhrFussel: sauth returns a table just like auth and last login is a number
16:39 Krock so that would be channel = *channels[0][0]
16:39 rubenwardy It's a pointer to an array
16:39 Krock a pointer array to a pointer array
16:39 rubenwardy Shouldn't it be   *(*channels[0][0])
16:40 rubenwardy Is   *channel   (*channel)
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16:42 Krock if you do channels[0][0] then you've got a std::array<struct Channel*, 1> because [] dereferences it
16:42 tenplus1 ???
16:42 Krock so I think it's even *channels[0][0][0] to get Channel
16:42 Krock tenplus1: heh :D
16:43 Krock C(++) can always be complicated if you want it that way
16:44 * tenplus1 doesnt like coomplicated
16:44 rubenwardy Oh really
16:44 rubenwardy Oh yeah
16:45 tenplus1 hrm. am thinking of a way to make crystal ingots in ethereal mod by using builtin_item's new dropped_step() feature
16:46 Krock or alternatively channels[0][0][0][0] because the pointer in this case is basically an array of length 1
16:46 VanessaE so...minetest formspecs... how exactly do I enter normal symbols like ° or Ý ?  copy/paste just puts in broken chars, X11-compose doesn't work, [shift][cgtl](u and a code) doesn't work....
16:47 Krock not even control characters work here. it's totally messed up
16:47 * VanessaE sighs
16:47 tenplus1 might need a little work to get utf-8 chars
16:48 Krock write a script that translates it to hexadecimal byte notation and then use a CSM to send the in the chat :3
16:48 Krock but formspecs? no luck there, I think.
16:49 VanessaE I'm working on an update to my just-released led_marquee mod that will make it allow all symbols under U+00ff in a string without having to force them in with string.char() (e.g. in a LuaC program)
16:50 VanessaE I see people chatting all the time with > U+007F symbols of all kinds, in minetest, so it works in the chat window
16:50 tenplus1 I assumed what you could see in chat would be seen in formspec
16:51 VanessaE negatory.
16:53 VanessaE fwiw my code seems to work if I pass the string directly from the mod's code (e.g. by using a prepared, normally-typed-using-X11-compose test string)
16:58 VanessaE looks like this is quite old, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1106
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17:00 tenplus1 hi tumeninodes
17:00 VanessaE o/ tumeninodes
17:00 tumeninodes hi tenplus1
17:00 tumeninodes hi Vanessa
17:01 tumeninodes I'm only on briefly, haven't been around
17:02 tumeninodes but I wanted to ask about making step height=1 toggleable via a key
17:02 VanessaE Krock, tenplus1   fwiw, http://i.imgur.com/RzvAEeU.png
17:02 tenplus1 ooh
17:02 tumeninodes that is SO nice
17:02 VanessaE (done by inserting teststr="#testing ¡¢£¤¥¦§¨©ª«¬­®¯°±²³´µ¶·¸¹º»¼½¾¿ÀÁÂÃÄÅÆÇÈÉÊËÌÍÎÏÐÑÒÓÔÕÖ×ØÙÚÛÜÝÞßàáâãäåæçèéêëìíîïðñòóôõö÷øùúûüýþÿ" into the code in place of the real string
17:02 tenplus1 we need 'dis
17:03 VanessaE tenplus1: it's just one commit+push away.
17:03 tenplus1 w00t
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17:04 VanessaE you can do that NOW by doing digiline_send("channel", "some "..string.char(123).."UTF "..string.char(234).."stuff "..string.char(222).."here.")
17:04 VanessaE (i.e. using string.char() to insert the desired symbols)
17:05 Krock I like that Comic Sans font
17:05 VanessaE my titlebar? heh
17:05 VanessaE but now, seriously...
17:05 Krock yes, what else? :P
17:06 VanessaE there surely has to be a way to do that ^^^ from within a formspec (==LuaController program) without having to sprinkle string.char() everywhere.
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17:08 Mr_Pardison_ Krock: how can you? Comic Sans. No. Just no.
17:09 Krock Mr_Pardison_: Comic Papyrus is better. https://befonts.com/comic-papyrus-font-finally.html
17:09 tenplus1 lol
17:09 ANAND Comic Sans MS is it's name... :P
17:09 Mr_Pardison_ ^ a crime.
17:09 VanessaE I happen to *like* comic sans, tyvm.
17:10 tenplus1 comic sans was created to be easy to read at a distance and by dyslexic peeps
17:10 ANAND Tbh, I like it too. Just disappointed that it belongs to MS and is not available on Linux
17:10 ANAND I use it for presentations
17:12 tenplus1 ? it is available on linuxs... install ms core fonts
17:12 tenplus1 https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=236016
17:13 Mr_Pardison_ PErsonally, I prefer to use the font "Play" on google docs since I type most of my papers on there.
17:14 tenplus1 Ubuntu font is kinda like the comic sans of linux, easy reading
17:14 tumeninodes Pardisonally
17:15 * Mr_Pardison_ grimaces
17:15 tenplus1 lol
17:15 tumeninodes ha
17:15 Mr_Pardison_ I suppose that's a side-effect of my name
17:15 tumeninodes it's very flexible
17:16 tumeninodes interchangeable
17:20 tumeninodes I dislike fonts which are unlegible. It's like people with license plates you have to figure out
17:20 Mr_Pardison_ yeah.
17:21 VanessaE tenplus1:  https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/led_marquee
17:21 tenplus1 :PP
17:21 tumeninodes tenplus1, is that the Ubuntu font family?
17:21 tenplus1 heh yeah:P
17:22 tumeninodes just checkin
17:22 tenplus1 has a fixed width version also for console... it's all I use on desktop now
17:23 VanessaE there, the updates that make that screenshot possible are pushed.  have fun, tenplus1  :)
17:23 tenplus1 sweet
17:23 tumeninodes now tweak the ability for signs ; )
17:24 VanessaE signs are totally different.
17:24 tenplus1 we need hardware text support for signs... they look great but are slow when too many in an area
17:24 VanessaE I know they can display Cyrillic, though idk how that works.
17:24 tumeninodes emphasis on "totally"
17:25 Mr_Pardison_ signs are now able to display Cyrillic?
17:25 tumeninodes I'm gonna use led_marquee on a blimp!
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17:26 tenplus1 the Duff blimp
17:27 tumeninodes the gallagher blimp is my favorite
17:29 tenplus1 will Mt 5.0 suppose nvidia RTX 2080 and raytrace scenes with realistic lighting and textures :PPP
17:36 Mr_Pardison_ I suppose
17:40 tenplus1 :P
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17:59 tenplus1 wb
17:59 VanessaE tenplus1: well, done anything with the marquee yet? ;)
18:00 tenplus1 heh, not yet...  playing with new builtin_item features and trying to make special effects
18:00 VanessaE (one of my users mentioned making a proper "Times Square" display with it ;), though the mod can't wrap text around a building corner :P )
18:00 Bobr ty ten
18:00 tenplus1 maybe in next release it can  :D
18:01 VanessaE maybe. :P
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18:34 VanessaE tenplus1: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=20651  (reload it and expand "More screenshots...")
18:34 tenplus1 wow, many characters... reminds me of c64 basic :D ehehe
18:35 VanessaE it's VERY loosely based on the C64 font, actually, since that one's 8x8 px also.
18:35 tenplus1 kewl :)))
18:35 tenplus1 I wonder how many servers will use marquee scrolls instead of text
18:35 VanessaE (with some inspiration from DOS Code Page 437 ("ANSI")
18:35 tenplus1 *text = signs
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19:51 Krock Just an ordinary chat. https://i.imgur.com/mbYDcaj.png
19:51 Krock COLOR OVERDOSE
19:51 * tenplus1 bleeds from the eyes
19:54 * Krock gives tenplus1 fresh blood so that they don't die by accident
19:54 tenplus1 lol thanks
19:55 tenplus1 finished special feature for ehtereal :)
19:55 tenplus1 drop 2x mese crystals and 2x crystal spikes into a poolof water and they merge to become 1x crystal ingot
19:56 Mr_Pardison_ oh cool.
19:56 Mr_Pardison_ automatic crafting machine without the need to make one :D
19:56 VanessaE Krock: oh dear G*d.
19:56 tenplus1 tinkering with builin special do_customs :)  if you drop gunpowder on something lit it burns up also
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19:58 Krock VanessaE: it was fun for a while but now stripping the colors because it's a bit too colorful
19:58 tenplus1 heh
19:59 VanessaE heh
19:59 Krock Minetest should also support background colors.. but they seem to be broken
20:03 tenplus1 that would be very handy indeed
20:05 Krock Very handy indeed
20:06 tenplus1 https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/builtin_item/src/master/README.md check examples at bottom krock
20:06 Mr_Pardison_ extremely handy when in a snow biome and you're chatting with someone else.
20:08 Krock tenplus1: sounds good, but when more than one mod want to make use of it, then they'll also have to access minetest.registered_entities[name].dropped_step to extend the function
20:08 tenplus1 hopefully not too many special features being added... would prolly depend on the game type or adventure map
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20:09 tenplus1 wb ben
20:17 tenplus1 nite folks o//
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20:31 Megaf [20:51:31] <Krock> Just an ordinary chat. https://i.imgur.com/mbYDcaj.png
20:31 Megaf [20:51:44] <Krock> COLOR OVERDOSE
20:31 Megaf I wish I hadn't opened that
20:34 Krock Megaf: because it's a beauty. Would probably fit onto an A4 paper. Add a frame around and attach that piece of art to your wall
20:36 Megaf Man, If I had your address I could very well do that and ship to ya
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20:59 Jordach "you can't use textured skyboxes with the dynamic skybox"
20:59 sofar fail
20:59 Jordach sofar: https://i.imgur.com/0nGnOvt.png
20:59 Jordach indeed you can
21:00 sofar mmm pink sky
21:00 Jordach with a bit more hacking and effort i could probably extend set_sky
21:00 Megaf Jordach: !!!!!!!!!
21:00 Jordach stars and moon also render
21:00 Megaf Greetings :D
21:00 Jordach sofar: even better, that's the dynamic atmos2 skybox
21:01 Jordach https://i.imgur.com/7JiGaD2.png
21:01 Megaf [15:46:26] <Megaf> anyone here with Autism or Aspergers? Pop in #Minetest-Chat to chat maybe?
21:02 Megaf is that even Minetest? It looks awesome
21:02 Jordach i have done nothing but fiddle with game.cpp and sky.cpp
21:02 Jordach some how it works
21:02 Jordach i'm not complaining
21:03 Jordach but i'll probably add a new skybox def, "combo"
21:03 Jordach >tfw you have absolutely 0 C++ experience and are winging it
21:07 Megaf Jordach: by the way, the heck? Linux?
21:07 Megaf you?
21:08 Jordach yes
21:08 Jordach compiling is an arse on windows
21:08 * Mr_Pardison_ gasps in shock
21:08 Mr_Pardison_ not at the compiling part. that I get.
21:08 Jordach Mr_Pardison_: you mean someone figured out how to combine a textured skybox with the dynamic one?
21:08 Jordach ;)
21:09 Mr_Pardison_ about Megaf's comment on it.
21:09 ChimneySwift it's easy to compile once you get it set up lol
21:09 ChimneySwift only took me an entire day
21:09 ChimneySwift XD
21:09 Megaf Jordach: did you see my GitHub issue on the toold to easy the building on Windows?
21:11 Megaf Jordach: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7642
21:11 Megaf gotta go buy coco pops ceral, brb
21:11 ChimneySwift XD
21:14 Jordach https://i.imgur.com/AyLu21F.png
21:14 Jordach SO CLOES
21:14 Mr_Pardison_ almots there!
21:16 Jordach i'm suspecting that's the sunrise glowtexture
21:17 Jordach it isn#t
21:19 Jordach while i'm at it, i'll fix the stars so they actually use alpha instead of turning to black
21:25 Fixer o_o
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21:32 Jordach Fixer: lmao zbuffer issues
21:34 Fixer Jordach: translucency?
21:35 Jordach Fixer: whoever wrote the dynamic skybox needs a kicking
21:35 Jordach things you do not do:
21:36 Jordach disable the zbuffer and draw on top of all the things
21:36 Jordach place tris and verts in matching positions to cause z-fighting
21:37 Jordach Fixer: https://i.imgur.com/4BqDhWc.png
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21:41 Jordach paramat: who would win: textured skyboxes or the dynamic ones
21:41 Jordach https://i.imgur.com/SYzaMpk.png
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21:44 paramat are they going to fight?
21:48 Jordach paramat: there's a textured skybox there with the moon and stars visible
21:55 paramat nice looking screenshots
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22:03 Jordach paramat: it's a hack on top of the dynamic skybox hack
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23:13 rubenwardy WTF
23:13 rubenwardy my PS1 has randomly broken
23:17 Mr_Pardison_ well, it's old, right?
23:18 rubenwardy huh, resetting the file works
23:19 rubenwardy weird
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23:46 Fixer he probably means BASH console variable
23:46 Fixer https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-unix-bash-shell-setup-prompt.html
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