Time  Nick          Message
11:06 rubenwardy    Sounds like an edge screen
11:06 rubenwardy    You get used to it, and it's good for videos
11:46 tenplus1      hi folks
12:17 tenplus1      hi aerozoic
12:18 aerozoic      wazup tenplus1!
12:18 tenplus1      o/
12:19 aerozoic      i miss github's features
12:19 tenplus1      which ones ?
12:19 aerozoic      commenting on commits
12:19 aerozoic      github pages
12:19 aerozoic      emojis
12:19 tenplus1      wait, did they remove those ?
12:20 aerozoic      notabug.org doesn't have them
12:20 tenplus1      as far as I can see I can still comment on commits
12:21 tenplus1      emoji's am not really interested in, will stick with the simple : )
12:21 tenplus1      github pages ? how do you mean ?
12:22 aerozoic      https://pages.github.com/
12:22 aerozoic      free website hosting basically
12:22 tenplus1      ahh, never used them :) always relied on minetest forums for the page or the built in wiki feature
12:23 aerozoic      How do you comment on commits at notabug?
12:23 tenplus1      open issue/pull and comment down below
12:24 tenplus1      do you mean comment inbetween code snippets ?
12:26 aerozoic      No just make a simple comment for the commit itself such as "this commit fixed other things too"
12:26 aerozoic      github has a comment box at the bottom of every commit
12:27 tenplus1      I never did like the comments inbetween those, kinda annoyed me reading it... ehe :)
12:29 tenplus1      I like the simplicity of notabug
12:32 rubenwardy    Gitlab has them
12:32 tenplus1      hi ruben
12:33 rubenwardy    Gitlab has gitlab pages
12:40 aerozoic      i wonder if they are spamming #freenode or just PM's?
12:42 tenplus1      who's that /
12:43 aerozoic      * ktr has quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
12:43 tenplus1      ohh
12:46 Fixer         rubenwardy: feels like apple-fan-boy answer, all previous smartphones with proper bazels just worked, without getting used to it bullshit
12:47 rubenwardy    Each to their own
12:47 rubenwardy    Don't like it? Don't buy it
12:47 tenplus1      o/ fixer
12:49 rubenwardy    I like the edge screen, there's a lot of screen
12:50 rubenwardy    I'm not a fan of notches
12:50 tenplus1      no need for notches, can easily hide it behind things or have a dedicated panel at top that's thin
12:53 Krock         hi tenplus1
12:54 tenplus1      hi Krock :)
12:54 tenplus1      notches are a very lazy way of doing it... very VERY lazy
12:56 tenplus1      just because they can doesnt mean they should
13:01 tenplus1      fixer, to be fair my phone can run for more than a day while in use texting/messaging/basic web functions etc
13:01 tenplus1      I only charge at night
13:02 rubenwardy    Go back to your brick, and let me have my fancy phones
13:03 tenplus1      lol ruben :) my phone aint a brick, ish nice :D
13:10 rubenwardy    Stupid OEMs
13:10 tenplus1      heh
13:10 rubenwardy    I want a pixel
13:10 rubenwardy    But I also want money left
13:10 rubenwardy    And preferably a headphone jack
13:12 Fixer         not=now
13:13 tenplus1      hi benrob
13:13 benrob0329    Hi tenplus1
13:13 tenplus1      :P
13:15 tenplus1      ehehehe, monty python... luv it
13:32 tenplus1      hi mister
13:32 Fixer         tenplus1: that moment when I actually understanded MP joke
13:32 Mr_Pardison   ahoy
13:32 tenplus1      :P
13:33 * Mr_Pardison gently lifts Fixer's right hand to their forehead
13:34 tenplus1      :)
13:47 xerox123_     Hellooo
13:48 Mr_Pardison_  henlo
13:49 tenplus1      hi xerox
13:57 tenplus1      hi andro
14:00 tenplus1      Nssm updated with many tweaks and code tidied
14:01 Mr_Pardison_  oh nice.
14:01 Mr_Pardison_  it needed that.
14:01 tenplus1      works with new mobs redo api and now uses 0.4.16+ functions
14:28 tenplus1      hi bob
14:29 Bobr          hello tenplus1
14:35 Bobr          tenplus1, getting that pc soon
14:35 tenplus1      good good :0
14:35 tenplus1      what games you gonna install 1st ?
14:35 Bobr          idk how many games can it take
14:35 tenplus1      more than enough hopefully :D
14:36 Bobr          maybe minetest steam csgo
14:36 Bobr          then irc
14:37 tenplus1      remember and turn off all the garbage that windows10 comes with to make it run better
14:38 Bobr          such as?
14:39 ANAND         such as Windows 10 ;)
14:39 Bobr          lol i was thinking of putting it on a new os
14:40 tenplus1      turns off all the logging and spyware microballs includes in their Os
14:41 Bobr          oh thats clever
14:44 Bobr          just hope it can run games better than this one
14:45 tenplus1      it's a really good spec, and the gfx are good, so I'd imagine so :D
14:46 Bobr          shivajiva knows how much of a nucence it is
14:47 Bobr          it wont even let me acess ssh
14:47 tenplus1      lol Krock, knew about that last year when they were introducing 10s...  was only a matter of time before it crept into mainstream
14:47 Krock         well yeah :/
14:49 tenplus1      I wonder how many ppl will go along with it
14:49 Bobr          my computer struggles on limited veiwing range
14:51 tenplus1      do you have all the special effects disabled/
14:51 Fixer         Bobr: what gpu?
14:51 Fixer         Bobr: disable shaders
14:51 Krock         disable signs_lib
14:52 tenplus1      yeah, turn off shaders, smooth lighting, clouds, fancy leaves
14:52 Bobr          i could never find the specs on this computer it used to be on windows 8
14:52 Fixer         just turn off shaders, and making simple leaves, done
14:52 tenplus1      what's the make and model ?
14:52 Krock         so if it's Win10 now, you could run an ubuntu VM to apt install screenfetch
14:52 Bobr          hp pavillion windows 8
14:53 tenplus1      desktop ?
14:53 Bobr          ubuntu mate
14:54 tenplus1      too many versions of the pavillion to get specs, need actual model no
14:54 Bobr          hmm ill have to find a way to find it
14:54 tenplus1      will be near the serial number on back
14:55 Krock         on Windows, the "Everest" program gave you precise answers for all parts of your computer. However, it might now work that well with newer hardware
14:55 Fixer         just download HWInfo
14:55 Krock         after all there's still lshw
14:55 Bobr          5cd350gsvs
14:56 Krock         Duckduckgo has 0 results
14:56 Fixer         https://www.hwinfo.com/
14:57 tenplus1      says it's a core i5 ?
14:58 Bobr          probaly i dont know the specs
14:58 Bobr          thats why im so exited to get this new one itll be so much easier navagation
14:58 tenplus1      usb3, 1366x768 res and intel HD 4400 gfx, that's pretty good
14:59 tenplus1      damn, I'd test and install Xubuntu 18.04 on that one to make it run better
14:59 Bobr          im still on 16.04
14:59 Bobr          lolll
15:00 Mr_Pardison_  I'm planning on getting a thinkpad w530.
15:00 tenplus1      :)
15:00 Krock         Mr_Pardison_: to install Arch Linux onto it?
15:00 Mr_Pardison_  comes stock with 16GB of RAM and can be upgraded to have 32.
15:00 Mr_Pardison_  Krock: idk.
15:00 Bobr          apparently the one ten showed me i can add another ssd
15:00 tenplus1      am still on 4gb :D hah
15:00 Bobr          but i dont think ill need it
15:01 Mr_Pardison_  but I know that I will have to dual boot since I might nee to use proprietary stuff for school.
15:01 Bobr          my old towers on dual boot
15:01 rubenwardy    You can't turn off shaders
15:01 Bobr          ^
15:01 rubenwardy    Only make minetest pretend they don't exist
15:02 tenplus1      if it has VT-x support you can have virtualbox on it and have 1 desktop running xubuntu and the other running win7/10 fast as in native speed
15:02 rubenwardy    Shaders aren't slow, and can actually make a game faster
15:02 tenplus1      if the gfx card is fast enough, yes...
15:02 Mr_Pardison_  but the frame drops on older hardware....
15:02 rubenwardy    It's just minetest sucks
15:02 Krock         rubenwardy: only if you can move the CPU tasks to the GPU
15:02 Bobr          i kinda set my old towers on fire... XD
15:07 rubenwardy    The fact of the matter is that it's impossible to turn shaders off, so the slow down is either due to data transfer or more calculations
15:07 rubenwardy    And I'm placing my money on the former
15:08 Fixer         rubenwardy: they are very slooow on hardware I've tested
15:08 rubenwardy    Either that, or maybe they're doing some crazy emulation shit in the integrated processor
15:08 Fixer         i recommend disabling shaders to everyone running it on weak cards or on integrated
15:09 rubenwardy    Shaders cannot be disabled
15:09 Fixer         in minetest?
15:09 rubenwardy    The setting just means that minetest doesn't send any new information or compile custom shaders
15:09 rubenwardy    There will still be shaders on the GPU
15:10 Fixer         disabling shaders in minetest settings helps a lot, especially on weak gpus
15:11 Mr_Pardison_  yup.
15:11 rubenwardy    Does minetest still use tangent space based on that setting? Or was that fixes
15:12 Fixer         probably fixed
15:12 Bobr          new wifi bois
15:13 Fixer         but there still performance penalty
15:13 tenplus1      if I disable shaders it jumps from 34fps up to 50'ish
15:13 tenplus1      so if they are always running why the hit ?!
15:14 rubenwardy    More data transfer probably
15:14 Fixer         and difference in picture is minimal
15:14 Fixer         so why play with subpar 34 fps when you can get decent 50 fps?
15:15 tenplus1      I have everything disabled just for that... 50fps+
15:15 tenplus1      something needs tweaked to improve performance
15:17 Fixer         that glorious SFS patch reduced penalty to just 10% (down from 50%) for my now dead HD6870 gpu
15:17 Fixer         i should test performance with/without on intel hd 2500
15:17 rubenwardy    Sfs?
15:17 Fixer         superfluous shaders patch
15:17 rubenwardy    Ah right
15:17 Fixer         by gregorycu
15:17 rubenwardy    That's what I mean
15:18 Fixer         and that triangle shit as well
15:18 rubenwardy    Excess data transfer
15:18 rubenwardy    Weaker GPUs can't deal with as much transfer
15:18 Fixer         but it did not help on my 2009 laptop with intel hd, with shaders performance was like 5 fps, without - 25 fps...
15:18 tenplus1      only does that on 5.0 though fixer, 0.4.17 doesnt have it yhet
15:18 Fixer         tenplus1: it was fixed long ago
15:19 tenplus1      ohh, so it is in0.4.16 then ?
15:19 Fixer         yes
15:19 rubenwardy    My point anyway is that shaders aren't inherently bad, it's just minetest doesn't do them well
15:19 tenplus1      kewl
15:19 rubenwardy    And there's little benefit in their current state anyway
15:20 rubenwardy    But in the future I think it should be fixed so that shaders with no extra settings is not much slower even on weak hardware
15:20 rubenwardy    Then we can add features that require shaders to actually be practical
15:20 rubenwardy    Like hand held torches
15:20 Fixer         rubenwardy: still, i was pushing for disabling shaders by default for all
15:20 rubenwardy    Walking light
15:20 rubenwardy    Or w/e
15:21 tenplus1      that'd be kewl
15:22 Fixer         SFS patch merged 22 Nov 2016
15:22 rubenwardy    I'm slowly learning graphics, but it's all black magic to me
15:22 Fixer         cock magic
15:23 rubenwardy    Need to capture and enslave numberZero
15:23 Fixer         i will do a little test with/without shader on my special map
15:23 Fixer         automated
15:23 rubenwardy    Yeah, automated tests would be nice
15:23 Fixer         minetest/minecraft runs quite well on hd 2500
15:23 rubenwardy    Would be cool to make a test farm out of a bunch of old laptops
15:23 rubenwardy    Or maybe we could crowd source it
15:24 Fixer         it is automated in crap way, but close enough, I have starter position and seed, then tinytask plays recorded key presses to move over terrain straight for 3 minutes, fraps records
15:24 rubenwardy    Bet people would hate telemetrics in MT
15:24 rubenwardy    Oh, would also be impractical
15:24 rubenwardy    As not many people use latest version
15:25 rubenwardy    Which is where you'd want it
15:53 Fixer         i see a big penalty on HD 2500
15:54 Fixer         here https://pastebin.com/raw/9RGSpqDY
15:54 tenplus1      ouch
15:57 rubenwardy    Well, don't look at all options
15:58 rubenwardy    That's pointless, obviously doing parallax mapping and all fancy stuff is going to be slower
15:58 rubenwardy    But 30% is a lot for little visual differenxe
15:59 Fixer         22% in my case
16:00 rubenwardy    From those stats I compared the averages
16:00 rubenwardy    And it was 27
16:00 rubenwardy    The averages probably aren't a good measure though
16:00 rubenwardy    Too much fluctuation
16:01 Fixer         rubenwardy: fraps already gives you avg
16:01 Fixer         note, I fly over heavily forested jungle
16:02 Fixer         will try with simple leaves :D
16:02 Fixer         nontransperent ones I mean
16:04 tenplus1      I wonder if leaves were plantlike would it be any better ?!?!
16:06 tenplus1      o/ paramat
16:06 Fixer         no shaders + opaque leaves = BOOOM 103fps
16:08 rubenwardy    Makes sense
16:11 Bobr          urgh im now deciing pc or new phone
16:11 rubenwardy    What's your current PC?
16:12 rubenwardy    What's your budget?
16:12 Fixer         my?
16:12 Bobr          600
16:12 rubenwardy    Do you enjoy programming and tech stuff?
16:12 Fixer         buy Ryzen 2400G or how it is named
16:12 rubenwardy    Is that £$€ or what
16:12 Fixer         has nice integrated gpu
16:12 rubenwardy    £600 is alot
16:12 rubenwardy    *a lot
16:12 Fixer         probably usd
16:12 rubenwardy    $600? Not so mhch
16:13 rubenwardy    Although tech is cheaper in the US
16:13 rubenwardy    Not sure how much though
16:13 rubenwardy    Well, as an indication, the iPhone X was 1000 in both £ and $
16:13 rubenwardy    So maybe it balances out
16:13 rubenwardy    But anyway, if you have a potato currently and you're interested in programming, get a new PC
16:14 rubenwardy    If you don't care about programming
16:14 rubenwardy    Or don't need it for school work
16:14 rubenwardy    Then not as much need
16:17 rubenwardy    Lol
16:17 rubenwardy    Looks like my messages fried his potato
16:18 tenplus1      lolol
16:18 tenplus1      a core i5 shouldnt be a potato... am blaming his use of windows 8.1
16:19 rubenwardy    Lol
16:19 rubenwardy    I have an i5
16:19 rubenwardy    Runs MT at 60fps
16:19 rubenwardy    With shaders
16:20 tenplus1      unless he's using crappy drivers that are out of date
16:26 tenplus1      wb
16:26 Bobr          wifi issues llmao
16:26 Bobr          just moved provider today
16:27 tenplus1      wb mister
16:27 tenplus1      Bobr: who you with now ?
16:27 Mr_Pardison   hotspot decided to kill itself on me.
16:27 Bobr          Ee
16:28 * Krock       tells garywhite to make use of SASL to login
16:28 tenplus1      hi gary
16:28 garywhite     hi
16:28 Bobr          i just set it as a autocommand
16:29 Krock         Bobr: that's also why your hostmask leaks
16:30 Krock         "join" seems to win this race condition
16:30 Bobr          my host mask is Bobr/unofficalated
16:30 Krock         https://i.imgur.com/qN6TlsK.png
16:31 Krock         *unaffiliated
16:31 Bobr          oh hmmm
16:31 Bobr          how do i do this sasl serv thing
16:31 Krock         depends on the client you're using
16:32 Bobr          hexchat
16:32 Krock         configure the server and select "SASL" as login method
16:32 Krock         then enter name and password
16:33 Krock         not sure how you'd use the cert but that seems to be an option too
16:33 Bobr          at least it aint changed the ip yet
16:33 Krock         not sure if there's a join timeout to make it work with the autocommand
16:34 Bobr          i set it as a sasl command
16:36 Fixer         Bobr: if your PC is relatively new, like within decade old, you can buy aftermarket i5 CPU with iGPU, RAM for it, then buy new SSD, then wait proper GPU prices...
16:36 Fixer         that was my way...
16:36 Bobr          thats clever tbh
16:37 Fixer         and i5 is dirt cheap
16:37 Fixer         gen 2 or 3...
16:38 Fixer         i moved from i3-2120 to i5-3450 with added bonus of igpu, retired my decades old gpu... waiting for proper gpu prices
16:38 Fixer         manufacturers openly admit they have inventory full of gpus but refuse to lower prices waiting for new elusive mining craze, but I'm ready to wait
16:39 Bobr          waitings key
16:39 tenplus1      everyone is out to make a buck, sad over inflated prices
16:39 Fixer         if prices don't go down - will be some 1-2gb basic GPU for like $50
16:39 Fixer         will buy*
16:39 Fixer         aftermarket gpu of course
16:39 Fixer         will punish gpu manufacturers
16:40 Fixer         i'm not here to feed the neighbourhood (c)
16:41 Fixer         tbh even aftermarket gpu prices are inflated
16:41 Fixer         $40 for some 1gb budget shit from 2012? seriously?
16:42 Fixer         still better than paying $180 for literally budget new gpu with 4gb of ram...
16:42 Fixer         2 gb aftermarket gpus cost a lot more it seems, double the price
16:43 Fixer         owning PC is bless, you are unrestricted, I still use 11 year old monitor and switch components gradually
16:43 tenplus1      easier than paying for a brand new console each time
16:43 Fixer         or brand new craptop
16:43 Fixer         that still has that shit 1366x768
16:43 Fixer         from ninetees
16:44 Fixer         who even dares to put 1366x768? I had 1280x1024 like 20 years ago...
16:44 Fixer         degenerates
16:44 tenplus1      hehehe, screens are cheaper to make
16:45 tenplus1      least it's half HD
16:45 Fixer         especially after that marketing BS trick, when you had 4:3 or 5:4 19" - it is muuuuuuuuuuuuch bigger in area than 16:9 19", much higher profit, and fooled customer
16:46 Fixer         simple geometry
16:46 Krock         Fixer: hey, that's literally the resolution I'm using now
16:46 Fixer         Krock: 1366x768?
16:46 Fixer         poor
16:46 Fixer         guy
16:46 Krock         no, the one 20 years ago
16:46 Krock         1280x1024
16:46 Fixer         oh, me too :D
16:47 Fixer         why change LCD that still works after 11 years?
16:47 * tenplus1    has HP monitor with 1280x1024 :D
16:47 tenplus1      wb andro
16:47 Fixer         or you sure want to close on that resource deplition theme and global warming thing? BUY BUY BUY
16:47 tenplus1      although I cant see why anyone would want larger than HiDef
16:47 Krock         Fixer: tbh it's a quite small screen.. getting slowly used to switching windows fast
16:48 Fixer         i don't want my kids living on a dumbpster searching for some copper, because some dummy-hipsters depleated all of it on their buyaphoneevery2years scheme
16:48 Fixer         resources are not infinite
16:48 Fixer         and mining copper has its cost
16:48 Krock         I bet my smartphone has a high resolution than this screen
16:48 Krock         *checks*
16:48 paramat       enough offtopic thanks :)
16:49 Bobr          afk for a few hors
16:51 paramat       'off' doesn't make offtopic ok
16:53 Krock         paramat: why not? [off] stands for "offtopic"
16:54 paramat       'off' is for stopping logging. when used it causes the same problems: filling chat with boring offtopic
16:55 tenplus1      so long as [off] stops the chat being logged then the offtopic will eventually return to the game, since it's graphics and resolution based
16:55 tenplus1      hi twoelk
16:55 twoelk        o/
16:56 paramat       irrelevant
16:57 * twoelk      heads for the logs
17:00 paramat       (also untrue and makes no sense)
17:00 tenplus1      ???
17:01 twoelk        I thought offtopic was frowned on so finding ontopic stuff in the logs would be easier - so if the off switch hinders logging for that phrase it can't clutter the logs - so where is the problem?
17:08 twoelk        hm, quite a lot undeclared offtopic in the logs :-D
17:09 tenplus1      cant a rule be set so that [off] doesnt log the line in question ????
17:09 Shara         That tag doesn't need to be used for offtopic
17:09 Shara         And quite honestly, it's too annoying to type it so much
17:10 twoelk        although talking about computers could be considered talking about tools related to subject at least imho
17:10 tenplus1      true... also hi Sha
17:10 tenplus1      *shara
17:10 Shara         Hi 11
17:14 twoelk        has anybody got the datamining tool from sorcerykid to run on a windows system yet?
17:16 Krock         isn't it a bunch of awk scripts?
17:17 twoelk        indeed
17:22 Bobr          someones messed with Los :?
17:22 Bobr          ;/
17:35 * twoelk      watches as it turns dark outside and a thunderstorm unrolls
17:35 tenplus1      .   /setweather thunderstorm
17:36 twoelk        hopefully we'll have less fires now
17:37 tenplus1      ooh, that would be handy...  fire abm - if getlight(pos, during day) == 15 (open air) then remove flame :)
17:38 tenplus1      cause rain fell on it :D
17:41 twoelk        fires go out at night?
17:41 tenplus1      during rainstorm
17:41 twoelk        oh, during day, hm
17:42 twoelk        but rain quenching fires ingame would be neat indeed
17:42 tenplus1      the during day part is the light level at that position during daytime, if it's 15 then it's open air
17:42 tenplus1      ligth nodes will only reach 14
17:42 Krock         twoelk: send it back to us. it lasted way too short
17:43 twoelk        don't know where you are but it seems there is more moving up the rhone valley
18:12 tenplus1      wb
18:13 benrob0329    ty
18:14 tenplus1      Farming Redo updated with a few recipe changes, bowls can be used as fuel and glass mixing bowls can be recycled back into glass
18:15 tenplus1      and for those who don't already know, flour = 4x wheat + 1x mortar & pestle (returned)
18:27 tenplus1      o/
18:27 Raven262      o/
18:28 tenplus1      :P
18:28 Fixer         \p
18:29 tenplus1      heh
18:45 twoelk        can burntout torches be recycled to sticks?
18:46 tenplus1      no, but you can add coal dust in crafting to make into a normal torch, or... punch with coaldust, flint and steel or even gunpowder to relight them
18:46 tenplus1      1x stick + 1x coal = 4x torches...  woudl be kinda cheaty to use a burnt out torch to give 1x stick back
18:47 twoelk        hm, 4 for one back?
18:48 tenplus1      I could add that
18:49 twoelk        and maybe something for the tapestry top? I think it good if certain resources can go in use cycles even if lossy
18:50 twoelk        and wooden stuff is always reusable in rl
18:50 tenplus1      am sure tapestry top is used as fuel
18:50 tenplus1      checking
18:52 tenplus1      hi nerzhul
18:53 tenplus1      Real Torch updated with new recipe added
18:54 nerzhul       hi tenplus1
18:54 nerzhul       how are you ?
18:54 tenplus1      not bad thx, you ?
18:54 nerzhul       nice ty
18:55 tenplus1      Castle mod updated with new recipe (tapestry top back to stick)
18:56 tenplus1      any other return recipes you can think of twoelk ?
18:56 twoelk        not at the moment :-P and thx
18:57 tenplus1      ehehe, will update Xanadu tonight with changes
19:17 tenplus1      nite folks
19:38 nerzhul       does someone else experience gitlab.com connection failure ?
19:47 sofar         nerzhul: wfm *shrug*
19:47 nerzhul       it seems gitlab and github has problem
19:47 nerzhul       github on one IP only
19:48 Krock         working too less with gitlab to notice anything
20:36 Fixer         i had problems with github
20:52 rud0lf        isn't gitlab to be bought by apple?
21:35 nerzhul       rud0lf no :)
21:35 rud0lf        :D
21:46 rud0lf        and sourceforge by Intel
21:47 Fixer         by Twitter
21:52 rud0lf        freenode is sold to apple, it's now iNode
21:54 longerstaff13 lol
21:54 rud0lf        iSeriously
21:54 rud0lf        ;p
21:55 longerstaff13 iEye iCaptain
21:55 longerstaff13 iAye*
21:55 rud0lf        iScream
21:56 longerstaff13 iLe (aisle)
21:57 longerstaff13 nite o/
22:06 Fixer         \p
22:11 garywhite     iWindows 10.15: The Worst of Both Worlds, Coming Early 2019 from Apple