| Time |
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| 00:10 |
Sokomine |
aerozoic: afaik krock ran his server for quite some time on an old laptop. it worked fine. a pi might be sufficient for a creative server with not too many complex mods |
| 00:20 |
aerozoic |
Watching with the top command, my server is bouncing between 5 and 30% with an i7 4.0ghz cpu. |
| 01:17 |
rubenwardy |
https://i.redd.it/j29xd9yo0tb11.jpg |
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| 08:32 |
tenplus1 |
hi folks |
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| 08:32 |
tenplus1 |
hi diamond :P |
| 08:33 |
tenplus1 |
PigIron updated to 0.4: Bronze and Steel tool_capabilities switched since steel is much stronger irl |
| 08:33 |
IcyDiamond |
hey tenplus1 |
| 08:33 |
IcyDiamond |
my server had decided it wants to reboot overnight |
| 08:33 |
IcyDiamond |
xD |
| 08:33 |
tenplus1 |
ouch, did your server have an autostart script ? |
| 08:33 |
IcyDiamond |
no |
| 08:34 |
tenplus1 |
double ouch |
| 08:34 |
IcyDiamond |
fsr my services didn't start |
| 08:34 |
IcyDiamond |
so i couldn't even access my server |
| 08:34 |
IcyDiamond |
cuz i run the dns on it |
| 08:34 |
IcyDiamond |
had to look up the ip |
| 08:34 |
IcyDiamond |
XD |
| 08:37 |
tenplus1 |
in need of a little fiddling for services to startup next time :PP |
| 10:31 |
tenplus1 |
hi raven |
| 10:37 |
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| 10:37 |
Raven262 |
Hi ten |
| 10:37 |
tenplus1 |
hi CWz |
| 10:37 |
tenplus1 |
o/ |
| 10:38 |
entuland |
o/ |
| 10:38 |
CWz |
Ello |
| 10:38 |
tenplus1 |
updated PigIron mod, bronze and steel tools have switched strengths since steel is much stronger irl :P |
| 10:51 |
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| 10:52 |
tenplus1 |
hi twoelk |
| 10:52 |
twoelk |
o/ |
| 10:53 |
tenplus1 |
o/=== <-- holding pizza box |
| 10:54 |
twoelk |
am just trying to figure out a batch to reset the source origin of folders full of github clones that have since fled github :-P |
| 10:55 |
tenplus1 |
ahh |
| 10:56 |
tenplus1 |
a task in itself |
| 10:56 |
twoelk |
for mod collections now on different git services this is not much fun |
| 10:56 |
tenplus1 |
all of mine are on notabug.org, so you would only have to replace github.com to notabug.org in the git clone section |
| 11:00 |
twoelk |
yeah, luckily I indeeed do have a tenplus1 folder from which I will then copy individuall mods to other locations |
| 11:02 |
twoelk |
I guess for individuall mod collections I'll just have to invest more time - the time you spend do keep kids/players happy |
| 11:02 |
tenplus1 |
still think it'd be handy for all git sites to be able to fork/link to one another |
| 11:03 |
twoelk |
don't know how that would work though, might need a central name/nick database to avoid duplicates |
| 11:04 |
tenplus1 |
true |
| 11:05 |
tenplus1 |
coffee time :P |
| 11:08 |
* twoelk |
tries to drink more water than coffee on hot days |
| 11:08 |
tenplus1 |
drinking a warm.hot drink cools you down more ;D |
| 11:16 |
twoelk |
except the amount one drinks on hot days might be a tad too much coffein :-D |
| 11:17 |
twoelk |
I guess I do drink too much coffee in relation to any other liquid anyways |
| 11:17 |
tenplus1 |
cause coffee rocks :DD |
| 11:18 |
twoelk |
hmm, chewing roasted coffee beans - I love to do that |
| 11:18 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, choccy covered coffee beans are nice |
| 11:22 |
tenplus1 |
hrm, might add those to farming redo actually :D |
| 11:27 |
entuland |
=== === |
| 11:27 |
entuland |
\o/ |
| 11:27 |
entuland |
two pizzas |
| 11:27 |
tenplus1 |
hi entuland |
| 11:27 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, expert level :D |
| 11:27 |
entuland |
:) |
| 11:29 |
twoelk |
what effect would choco coffee beans have? bouncing around instead of walking? |
| 11:29 |
tenplus1 |
lol, slight speed boost and lower fov due to concentration on the spot |
| 11:33 |
tenplus1 |
could add pova support and add .01 speed for a minute :D |
| 11:37 |
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| 11:37 |
tenplus1 |
hi Krock |
| 11:37 |
Krock |
hi tenplus1 |
| 11:37 |
tenplus1 |
o/ |
| 11:37 |
tenplus1 |
got the bronze <-> steel tools to switch capabilities ok :P |
| 11:38 |
Krock |
already seen the forum post |
| 11:38 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe |
| 11:39 |
tenplus1 |
good to know almost anything can be overriden on startup |
| 11:40 |
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| 11:40 |
tenplus1 |
hi aerozoic |
| 11:42 |
tenplus1 |
what sorta things will be backported from 0.5 to 0.4.16-3 ? |
| 11:42 |
aerozoic |
hi tenplus1 |
| 11:58 |
Krock |
huh? this seems incorrect https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=326743#p326743 |
| 11:59 |
Krock |
they're not "next to each other". it's a different mentality |
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| 11:59 |
tenplus1 |
hi fussel |
| 12:00 |
tenplus1 |
and yeah Krock, something seem soff |
| 12:00 |
tenplus1 |
*seems off |
| 12:00 |
Krock |
however, that image is from wikipedia |
| 12:00 |
tenplus1 |
lol, wiki isn't always right |
| 12:01 |
IhrFussel |
Hi there^^ Don't you go a bit too far on xanadu regarding banning of players for silly/no reasons? From what I read in the forum post the player shares their IP with a sibling and got banned for "multi account use" with no way of proving they are separate people |
| 12:02 |
tenplus1 |
fussel, what you read on the forum isnt always what happens, admin ban/limit people for a reason |
| 12:03 |
IhrFussel |
For a silly reason often...this is not the first time I saw someone complaining about your rules |
| 12:03 |
IhrFussel |
Maybe you should consider to be more fair towardas players |
| 12:03 |
IhrFussel |
towards* |
| 12:04 |
IhrFussel |
Or the admin rather |
| 12:05 |
IhrFussel |
He already joined my server once and said "who are you to tell me how to run my server" pretty immature statement |
| 12:05 |
tenplus1 |
Shinji'a word is final, he owns server |
| 12:05 |
IhrFussel |
No IRC, no forum account, no way of contacting him outside the game it seems...bad practice IMO |
| 12:06 |
tenplus1 |
he doesn't want anyone contacting him |
| 12:06 |
IhrFussel |
Then he is bad admin |
| 12:06 |
tenplus1 |
forum is there which I check daily if anything crops up |
| 12:07 |
tenplus1 |
and you will find that players tend to complain even after there was justified reason to kick/ban them |
| 12:07 |
IhrFussel |
That's normal but sometimes his reasoning is beyond ridiculous |
| 12:07 |
tenplus1 |
you can look back in the forum and find people pleading innocence until many ppl believe them, then the actual screenshots of what they said/did crop up and they disappear... |
| 12:07 |
IhrFussel |
Quite a few people already told me how he hadnles certain cases |
| 12:08 |
IhrFussel |
handles* |
| 12:09 |
IhrFussel |
My players mostly say good things about you, but not about the server owner |
| 12:10 |
tenplus1 |
he plays on server but doesnt suffer fools... |
| 12:12 |
IhrFussel |
He acts like a child at times |
| 12:12 |
IhrFussel |
From what stories I hear |
| 12:12 |
tenplus1 |
he's really an ok guy, just doesnt like players complaining/arguing |
| 12:13 |
IhrFussel |
Of course he is *allowed* to act however he wants but then he must live with the backlash |
| 12:14 |
IhrFussel |
And you don't find it weird that the server owners avoids any kind of communication outside the game? No way to send a complaint about something? |
| 12:14 |
IhrFussel |
owner* |
| 12:15 |
tenplus1 |
he has a busy life fussel and can't always be into the game itself, that's why I'm here |
| 12:16 |
IhrFussel |
My question is why is he the owner of a server but only appears on his server and neither on IRC/forums/xanadu website (if exists) |
| 12:17 |
IhrFussel |
To me it looks like "if i ban someone then i don't wanna deal with complaints no matter tzhe ban reason" |
| 12:17 |
IhrFussel |
"everything i do is right and the world has to accept what i say because it is just right" |
| 12:18 |
tenplus1 |
the fact he runs a server and keeps it up and running connected to a ups is more than enough, and I'm here to deal with everything else |
| 12:19 |
IhrFussel |
NO, it takes more than keeping a server running to be a good server owner...he is a joke in my eyes no matter how long he paid for the server, he doesn't take responsibility for it |
| 12:20 |
ThomasMonroe |
who are we talking about? |
| 12:20 |
tenplus1 |
hi thomas |
| 12:20 |
ThomasMonroe |
o/ |
| 12:21 |
IhrFussel |
ThomasMonroe, Mr server owner of xanadu |
| 12:24 |
IhrFussel |
To be clear: I don't expect from a "good server owner" to be online daily and talk to every player about everything ... but accepting critique/suggestions/complaints is required if you want to offer a public server...don't just put up a MT instance and do wahtever you want, that is NOT how you run a good server |
| 12:25 |
IcyDiamond |
i cant start minetest server |
| 12:25 |
IcyDiamond |
./bin/minetestserver: /lib64/libstdc++.so.6: version `CXXABI_1.3.8' not found (required by ./bin/minetestserver) |
| 12:25 |
IhrFussel |
I avoid ANY server that has something along the lines of "what staff says is final, don't try to fight it" |
| 12:25 |
IcyDiamond |
although it built just fine |
| 12:25 |
tenplus1 |
IcyDiamond: did you try: minetest --server |
| 12:26 |
IcyDiamond |
i dont have minetest binary cuz i built just server |
| 12:26 |
tenplus1 |
ohh, 0.5 or 0.4.17? |
| 12:26 |
IcyDiamond |
5.0 |
| 12:27 |
tenplus1 |
the scarey build |
| 12:27 |
Krock |
are you sure that you didn't do a distro upgrade in between? |
| 12:27 |
IcyDiamond |
i just built it.. |
| 12:28 |
Krock |
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23494103/version-cxxabi-1-3-8-not-found-required-by/23494975#23494975 |
| 12:32 |
Krock |
maybe the cmake params are outdated |
| 12:43 |
CWz |
Ello |
| 12:43 |
tenplus1 |
o/ |
| 12:47 |
xerox123 |
o/ o/ |
| 12:51 |
tenplus1 |
hi xerox |
| 12:52 |
Krock |
hi CWz. xerox123 |
| 12:55 |
sfan5 |
IcyDiamond: your minetest binary expects a different version of libstdc++ that you have installed |
| 12:55 |
sfan5 |
which pretty much only happens if you downgrade packages after building or transfer a built binary from a different machine |
| 12:56 |
BillyS |
\o/ |
| 12:56 |
tenplus1 |
hi sfan, hey billy |
| 13:00 |
BillyS |
hi tenplus1 |
| 13:00 |
BillyS |
My mod is a success! |
| 13:00 |
BillyS |
https://github.com/Billy-S/knockout |
| 13:02 |
tenplus1 |
omg! lol, that is so funny :) knocking out players and carrying them around like a handbag :D |
| 13:02 |
BillyS |
yep. xD |
| 13:02 |
Calinou |
be sure to add a license :) |
| 13:02 |
Calinou |
https://choosealicense.com/ |
| 13:02 |
BillyS |
It took a lot of messing with entities to get it to work |
| 13:02 |
BillyS |
Imma go with the Apache 2.0 |
| 13:03 |
Calinou |
most mods use the MIT license now |
| 13:03 |
Calinou |
(it is compatible with Minetest's license, unlike Apache 2) |
| 13:03 |
BillyS |
ah |
| 13:05 |
BillyS |
hmmm |
| 13:06 |
BillyS |
maybe GNU General Public License v2? |
| 13:06 |
Calinou |
if you want to pick the same license as Minetest, use the LGPLv2.1 or later |
| 13:06 |
Calinou |
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/lgpl-2.1.html |
| 13:06 |
BillyS |
Nah, I'm just trying to find a licsense I like |
| 13:07 |
tenplus1 |
how about: WTFPL |
| 13:07 |
Calinou |
(make sure to add an "or later" clause in the license notice, which you should add at the top of all your source files) |
| 13:07 |
BillyS |
lol |
| 13:07 |
BillyS |
Heck, Ill just got with MIT |
| 13:08 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 13:09 |
BillyS |
I don't want people stealing my code and making it propritary |
| 13:09 |
BillyS |
That's my main reason I don't like WTFPL |
| 13:09 |
tenplus1 |
I tend to use MIT for things like that |
| 13:10 |
BillyS |
Hmmm |
| 13:10 |
BillyS |
My knockout mod should have some was to jail players |
| 13:10 |
BillyS |
It's ment for PK, after all |
| 13:10 |
BillyS |
But I'd have to make it so that the player can escape somehow |
| 13:13 |
rubenwardy |
There are potential issues with GPL for mods |
| 13:13 |
tenplus1 |
there are ? |
| 13:13 |
rubenwardy |
Another mod can't depend on it without being GPL itself |
| 13:13 |
rubenwardy |
Potentially |
| 13:14 |
rubenwardy |
Not sure if that counts as linking |
| 13:15 |
rubenwardy |
Yeah, quick Google looks like people agree |
| 13:15 |
rubenwardy |
There's also the issue of a GPL mod polluting the minetest namespace |
| 13:15 |
BillyS |
ah bleh |
| 13:16 |
BillyS |
Everyone should agree on one license to use |
| 13:17 |
* tenplus1 |
always uses MIT license now |
| 13:17 |
rubenwardy |
LGPLv2.1+ |
| 13:17 |
rubenwardy |
Well |
| 13:17 |
rubenwardy |
Or MIT |
| 13:20 |
rud0lf |
TANZ MIT MIR |
| 13:20 |
tenplus1 |
o/ rud0lf |
| 13:20 |
rud0lf |
o/ tenplus1 |
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| 13:26 |
tenplus1 |
hi DI3HARD139 |
| 13:26 |
DI3HARD139 |
hello |
| 13:47 |
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| 13:47 |
tenplus1 |
wb Krock |
| 13:47 |
Krock |
ty |
| 13:48 |
tenplus1 |
lol, we have a player called Xanadu_News who finds out what's going on and makes a bulletin board for players :) hah |
| 13:49 |
rud0lf |
nice |
| 13:49 |
rud0lf |
"Strange creature found near coal mines!" |
| 13:49 |
rud0lf |
"Citizens are thrilled to let kids play alone!" |
| 13:49 |
tenplus1 |
for a survival world it's great how players work together to make things like this, and public farms etc |
| 13:49 |
Krock |
"life found on mars. it's sam" |
| 13:50 |
tenplus1 |
"Sam's face found in a door in Texas" |
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| 13:53 |
tenplus1 |
wb Megaf |
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| 13:57 |
tenplus1 |
wb entuland |
| 13:58 |
entuland |
o/* |
| 13:58 |
entuland |
that's a cupcake |
| 13:58 |
rud0lf |
at your armpit? |
| 13:58 |
tenplus1 |
o/* looks just like my starfruit |
| 13:59 |
entuland |
sure, doesn't everybody carry them under the armpit just like baguettes in france? |
| 13:59 |
tenplus1 |
keeops them warm ::PPP |
| 14:00 |
entuland |
:) |
| 14:00 |
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| 14:01 |
tenplus1 |
o/ |
| 14:01 |
Krock |
ree |
| 14:02 |
Krock |
no idea why it happened but my system froze completely |
| 14:02 |
tenplus1 |
winblows or linux ??? |
| 14:04 |
IhrFussel |
entities still get removed when the attached player logs off ... for cars with 2 seats even if just the passenger loses connection the car is gone |
| 14:04 |
tenplus1 |
ouch |
| 14:06 |
entuland |
60MPH on rough gravel... tough landing |
| 14:06 |
IhrFussel |
Happened in 0.4 backport from Dec already and now in 0.4.17.1 ... can someone check on other servers? Just join, enter a cart (or other attachable entity) and reconnect, then see if the entity is gone |
| 14:07 |
Krock |
tenplus1: linux. it experienced a crash when I fired the computer up from sleep mode |
| 14:08 |
Krock |
all apps were closed anyway.. a bit suspicious |
| 14:08 |
tenplus1 |
ahh, something not enabling properly from sleep |
| 14:10 |
Krock |
xorg had a crash, then ubuntu said something about "oopsie whoopsie a crash happened". however, I could compile most of Minetest until it froze |
| 14:11 |
tenplus1 |
I uninstall whoopsie and the crash handler... is more annoying than anything |
| 14:18 |
IhrFussel |
What the heck happens on my server right now...player count went from 15 to 45 in matter of minutes |
| 14:19 |
tenplus1 |
rush hour |
| 14:20 |
Krock |
classes finished |
| 14:20 |
tenplus1 |
Shara: are abritorches suppose to be hot / able to start fires ??? |
| 14:20 |
xerox123 |
oh shit, IhrFussel. are they all guests? |
| 14:20 |
Krock |
The Great Rush Of Kids |
| 14:20 |
tenplus1 |
Guest007 :P dun du dun dun dun dun dun |
| 14:20 |
xerox123 |
just noticed the rush of guests that tried to join |
| 14:21 |
xerox123 |
on my server ^ |
| 14:22 |
DI3HARD139 |
Good sir. Is the wonderful tool of yours public? |
| 14:22 |
DI3HARD139 |
this* |
| 14:22 |
Krock |
indeed a flood of guests |
| 14:23 |
xerox123 |
DI3HARD139: yeah, mod called no_guests, but I added another regex pattern I saw in the forum thread and a Krock tweak to exempt myself from the pattern |
| 14:23 |
tenplus1 |
good idea |
| 14:23 |
DI3HARD139 |
No I mean the web control panel |
| 14:24 |
xerox123 |
o |
| 14:28 |
ANAND |
Is it possible to rotate a wield-item to make it point forward? |
| 14:29 |
Krock |
rotate the inventory image |
| 14:30 |
IhrFussel |
Map loads slow again, no stalling (yet) |
| 14:30 |
ANAND |
Krock, do you mean the wield_image? I specified different inventory and wield images :) |
| 14:30 |
Krock |
increase your simultaneous block sends |
| 14:31 |
Krock |
ah, wield image then |
| 14:31 |
ANAND |
ok thanks! |
| 14:33 |
IhrFussel |
Is 10 not enough? |
| 14:34 |
xerox123 |
for all those people, no |
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| 14:34 |
tenplus1 |
wb raven |
| 14:35 |
Krock |
per client: 40. total: somewhere 300 maybe |
| 14:35 |
Raven262 |
ty ten |
| 14:35 |
Krock |
or even 400 total |
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| 14:41 |
ANAND |
The position field of an HUD element can take values from 0 to 1. So to centre an element on the screen, should I go with {x = 0.5, y = 0.5}? |
| 14:42 |
tenplus1 |
yeh |
| 14:42 |
ANAND |
Alright, I'll try it out |
| 14:43 |
ANAND |
It works :D |
| 14:43 |
tenplus1 |
yay |
| 14:44 |
ANAND |
Is it possible to hide all the hud elements by removing them one-by-one using :hud_remove() with their IDs? |
| 14:45 |
tenplus1 |
I think HUD has an actual visible flag |
| 14:45 |
ANAND |
I'm planning on displaying one HUD element and hiding the rest while it's visible |
| 14:47 |
ANAND |
So I could manually get the defs of all the other hud elements using :hud_get() |
| 14:47 |
ANAND |
Store them, and then :hud_remove() them |
| 14:48 |
ANAND |
But where do I get the IDs of all of a player's hud elements? :S |
| 14:49 |
ANAND |
Whoa, the Travis-CI build was running for 26 minutes! Is it just me or is Travis taking way too long nowadays? |
| 14:50 |
tenplus1 |
so much has been added prolly |
| 14:51 |
tenplus1 |
ANAND: https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/en/players/hud.html |
| 14:51 |
rubenwardy |
Btw |
| 14:51 |
rubenwardy |
!book hud |
| 14:51 |
MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: HUD - https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/en/ |
| 14:51 |
rubenwardy |
Oh noes |
| 14:51 |
Krock |
fail |
| 14:51 |
rubenwardy |
That's the wrong URL |
| 14:51 |
rubenwardy |
Oops |
| 14:52 |
rubenwardy |
Looks like I broke it |
| 14:52 |
tenplus1 |
heh, hi ruben |
| 14:53 |
ANAND |
lol |
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| 14:55 |
tenplus1 |
o/ paramat |
| 14:55 |
ANAND |
That page still doesn't help me with getting the IDs of all of a player's HUD elements :/ |
| 14:55 |
rubenwardy |
You can't |
| 14:55 |
rubenwardy |
Why do you need to? |
| 14:55 |
ANAND |
I'm planning on displaying one HUD element and hiding the others while it's visible |
| 14:56 |
tenplus1 |
check out wuzzy's hudbars for information on usage and how to hide |
| 14:56 |
ANAND |
Will do, thx |
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| 15:03 |
tenplus1 |
hi tumeninodes |
| 15:04 |
tumeninodes |
Hi tenplus1 |
| 15:04 |
tenplus1 |
whassup tumeni ? |
| 15:04 |
tumeninodes |
license loonies |
| 15:04 |
tenplus1 |
oh, what happened ? |
| 15:05 |
rubenwardy |
!book hud |
| 15:05 |
MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: HUD - https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book//en/players/hud.html |
| 15:05 |
rubenwardy |
There we are |
| 15:05 |
tumeninodes |
I was just looking over all the license threads popping up |
| 15:06 |
tenplus1 |
scarey huh |
| 15:06 |
tumeninodes |
unfortunately many do not seem to understand licensing in the first place |
| 15:06 |
ANAND |
Aha, I guess just hiding the default hud bars and hot-bar is enough for me... ;) |
| 15:07 |
ANAND |
rubenwardy: I see an extra '/' in the URL :) |
| 15:07 |
tumeninodes |
then come the radical this ways, and the radical that ways |
| 15:08 |
rubenwardy |
Yeah, can't fix this cleanly now |
| 15:09 |
rubenwardy |
!title https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=20578 |
| 15:09 |
MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: The use of GPL mods - Minetest Forums |
| 15:11 |
tumeninodes |
existential GPL |
| 15:12 |
tumeninodes |
so from now on, when node defs are modified, have a popup screen which rolls credits :D |
| 15:13 |
tumeninodes |
but do it like star wars opening with scrolling text and bg music |
| 15:15 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
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| 15:17 |
tenplus1 |
hi fixer |
| 15:17 |
Fixer |
hi |
| 15:26 |
Calinou |
rubenwardy: I would argue that it's akin to dynamic linking since the user is able to replace the other part |
| 15:26 |
Calinou |
the LGPL *does* allow static linking to proprietary software, but the user needs to be able to replace the library. |
| 15:26 |
rubenwardy |
Does GPL actually have a dynamic linking exception? |
| 15:26 |
rubenwardy |
This isn't about LGPL |
| 15:26 |
rubenwardy |
That's obviously fine |
| 15:26 |
Calinou |
there are two ways to achieve this: 1) distribute the object code (.o) files, 2) release the source (even under a restrictive license) |
| 15:31 |
tumeninodes |
just add a sub license |
| 15:32 |
Fixer |
Jeeez |
| 15:32 |
Fixer |
debian has apt now? |
| 15:33 |
tumeninodes |
A sub license can be granted to a third party to extend usage exceptions, even under an NC license |
| 15:33 |
Fixer |
it was apt-get, then aptitude, then it was kinda WTF, and then it is apt? |
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| 15:33 |
benrob0329 |
Hi tenplus1 |
| 15:34 |
benrob0329 |
Autogreeter on the fritz today? :P |
| 15:34 |
tumeninodes |
a sub license can be granted for any restrictive license, by the license holder |
| 15:34 |
tenplus1 |
hi benrob0329 |
| 15:34 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe, we had a tardis competition on xanadu earlier :D |
| 15:35 |
tumeninodes |
pimp my tardis? |
| 15:35 |
tenplus1 |
yup |
| 15:35 |
tumeninodes |
haha |
| 15:35 |
benrob0329 |
Oh cool, wish I could've been there :D |
| 15:35 |
tenplus1 |
got some blue carpet and a homedecor cube light and made an awesome one with a toilet inside D |
| 15:36 |
benrob0329 |
I think I might have been able to impress, I have some experience :P |
| 15:36 |
tumeninodes |
should've used the lava lamp |
| 15:36 |
tenplus1 |
hah yeah |
| 15:36 |
tenplus1 |
wait, we dont have that... ahaha, homedecor mod we run is LITE |
| 15:36 |
tumeninodes |
a little poo-zen |
| 15:37 |
tenplus1 |
ever noticed how cooked rat looks just like a poo ?!/! |
| 15:37 |
tumeninodes |
dude..., I just ate |
| 15:37 |
benrob0329 |
It does doesn't it.. |
| 15:37 |
tenplus1 |
lol, sorry tumeninodes |
| 15:38 |
tumeninodes |
s'ok, my rat didn't look like poo |
| 15:38 |
tumeninodes |
afk for a few |
| 15:42 |
tenplus1 |
back in a bit... food calls :D |
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* Sokomine |
melts away due to the heat and searches for an ice biome |
| 15:55 |
tumeninodes |
hi Sokomine. Freezers make nice ice biomes |
| 15:56 |
* Sokomine |
climbs into one and closes the door behind her |
| 15:56 |
tumeninodes |
So, my comments about sub license has nothing to do with what rubenwardy and Calinou were talking about btw :D |
| 15:58 |
tumeninodes |
I think, IMO, NC-type licenses could be allowed, as long as they offer a sub license, which is specific |
| 15:59 |
tumeninodes |
meaning to grant permissions to use the works for the purposes of related youtube reviews on a monetized channel |
| 16:00 |
tumeninodes |
basically the license holder is paying a small advertising fee to the reviewer (usually, extremely small fee under youtubes' payout scale) |
| 16:02 |
tumeninodes |
MT/MTG related 'commercial use' mostly falls under works shown on youtube anyway. And the basis of NC still stands in any usage, outside of that factor |
| 16:03 |
tumeninodes |
ND though, does not fit into the entire MT/MTG environment, so I strongly agree with that being disallowed |
| 16:04 |
Sokomine |
trouble is that the distinction between "commercial" and "non-commercial" as applied by courts does not reflect what one might commonly expect |
| 16:05 |
tumeninodes |
There is nothing wrong with an individual wishing to protect from others using their work for a substantial, capital gain |
| 16:05 |
tumeninodes |
but a court does have to follow the wording of a license |
| 16:06 |
Sokomine |
yes. but substantial, capital gain..that's not what courts seem to think of |
| 16:06 |
tumeninodes |
but the wording has to be put in use in a proper manner |
| 16:09 |
tumeninodes |
The license holder only need state a use exception. But to be quite specific |
| 16:09 |
tumeninodes |
other than that exception, the NC clause holds firm |
| 16:11 |
Calinou |
tumeninodes: that's not what sublicensing is about |
| 16:11 |
Calinou |
sublicensing is allowed by permissive licenses, but is not allowed by copyleft licenses |
| 16:11 |
Calinou |
by the way, the NC clause has many exceptions that most people don't seem to be aware of :) |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
for instance, it's allowed to sell a NC-licensed work to cover the costs of distribution/shipping/handling |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
(as long as the cost only does that, and is not intended to create a profit) |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
recent versions (4.0 especially) have more exceptions than older ones |
| 16:12 |
tumeninodes |
sub license - a license or contract granted to a third party by a licensee for specified rights or uses of a product, brand name, logo, etc. |
| 16:14 |
tumeninodes |
that is my understanding of the definition of sun license |
| 16:14 |
tumeninodes |
it gives the license holder, power to grant special rights, for specific usage |
| 16:15 |
Sokomine |
as long as it's your own work you can grant diffrent licenses to diffrent people the way you want |
| 16:16 |
tumeninodes |
but, this is why I feel NC licenses should actually be allowed. |
| 16:16 |
tumeninodes |
ND has no place in the community though, |
| 16:18 |
tumeninodes |
Calinou, I know you definitely have a better grasp on licensing, than myself. It would be nice if you would take a moment and make a post related to the topic. As it seems licensing concerns are popping up all over lately |
| 16:20 |
tumeninodes |
Sokomine, I don;t believe you can grant a diff license to various people, only exceptions within the chosen license |
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| 16:22 |
tumeninodes |
but wait..., ALL CC licenses are 'copyleft' |
| 16:22 |
sfan5 |
rubenwardy: the server list uses 2 worker threads |
| 16:23 |
sfan5 |
the code starts a separate thread to handle announces though, so request don't (shouldn't) block |
| 16:23 |
sfan5 |
requests* |
| 16:24 |
tumeninodes |
sorry, only the SA are copyleft, my bad |
| 16:26 |
rubenwardy |
Pretty sure you can sublicense a GPL work, if you own all the rights |
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| 16:26 |
rubenwardy |
Like, license to someone under something other than GPL |
| 16:26 |
tumeninodes |
SO, a BY-NC-SA, is not allowed to have exceptions? Even if they are related only to the NC clause? |
| 16:27 |
tumeninodes |
rubenwardy, that sounds like it could cause some confusion/complications down the road. |
| 16:27 |
rubenwardy |
Probably |
| 16:28 |
tumeninodes |
So if you have a work under GPL, yet you release it to someone else, under a different license |
| 16:28 |
rubenwardy |
I'm pretty sure there are some projects that do this - use a copyleft license but then offer a permissive license to be purchased |
| 16:28 |
tumeninodes |
now there are two of the same work under two licenses... |
| 16:29 |
rubenwardy |
That's what sublicensing is though? |
| 16:29 |
tumeninodes |
well yeh, but that is normally used as a gimmick |
| 16:29 |
Sokomine |
we could need something that covers what you want. it's not too dissimilar from what i'd like. just something like that (yes, people using it on servers is no problem, even when asking for donations, youtubers are no problem in general, normal webpages are not...but if a more significant amount of money is gained with it it isn't ok anymore) |
| 16:29 |
tumeninodes |
though I am not sure offering a free trial which is a portion of a licensed work is the same thing |
| 16:31 |
tumeninodes |
Sokomine, those are 'exceptions' |
| 16:31 |
tumeninodes |
But I think Calinou is saying they are not allowed when SA clause is involved as well? |
| 16:32 |
tumeninodes |
which honestly does not make sense to me but... |
| 16:33 |
tumeninodes |
my cousin is a lawyer for a huge company, I'll have to ask him to look into this next time I see him |
| 16:36 |
Sokomine |
when NC is involved, people may still ask you for a more permissive license. wasn't there something about people abusing that some time ago? |
| 16:37 |
tumeninodes |
SA itself is non-negotiable, I think. But NC is allowed exceptions, as stated. If exceptions are allowed for NC, then that means they are still allowed, even when combined with the SA clause |
| 16:38 |
tumeninodes |
More permissive 'exceptions' would be more appropriate |
| 16:38 |
tumeninodes |
not entirely relicensing |
| 16:40 |
tumeninodes |
and... while on the topic... ALL work under CC-BY-SA 3.0 should be updated to 4.0. WHich is allowed as it is only upgrading to the latest version, I do not believe permission is required by original authors |
| 16:40 |
twoelk |
I guess choosing the right license will have to become the first course in any creativity teaching in the future |
| 16:40 |
tumeninodes |
the license, itself is not being changed, just the updated |
| 16:40 |
tumeninodes |
twoelk... it really should be part of the curriculum |
| 16:41 |
twoelk |
want to become an artist? go to law school first |
| 16:41 |
tumeninodes |
ha |
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| 16:43 |
twoelk |
inb4 all schools start with a year of law first |
| 16:44 |
tumeninodes |
paramat, what do you think? Wanna go through and update all the CC-BY-SA 3.0 to 4.0? :D |
| 16:45 |
paramat |
no :D |
| 16:45 |
tumeninodes |
party pooper |
| 16:45 |
twoelk |
it really is somewhat difficult telling kids that they may not create any derivates of their favorite heroes or storys or random toys once they start to get creative |
| 16:46 |
tumeninodes |
it's easy..., well if you enjoy watching kids cry... which I do, so... |
| 16:46 |
tumeninodes |
"D |
| 16:47 |
twoelk |
minetest mods are actually full of fan art - big grey zone out there |
| 16:47 |
tumeninodes |
very true |
| 16:48 |
tumeninodes |
well I gotta go get ready for an appointment \o |
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| 16:51 |
twoelk |
my nephews once added some yellow minion related nodes to our private mt-game aka Apfelschorle. When I challanged them to add something original they had to think up themselves they went somewhat ... blank. their point wasn't coding something cool but simply adding minions. coding was just the way to get it done |
| 17:06 |
paramat |
> "I avoid ANY server that has something along the lines of "what staff says is final, don't try to fight it"" i would avoid any server without that. that rule is essential to avoid endless KGM-type tantrums, just look at the forum threads. only server owners can have the final decision, no-one else can |
| 17:07 |
Calinou |
any license can be negotiated with its copyright holder(s) :) |
| 17:08 |
sfan5 |
paramat: why isn't he avoiding the forums then? |
| 17:11 |
paramat |
well, actually i mean 'reduce' not 'avoid' |
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| 17:15 |
paramat |
and i mean 'on server', the forum is just an example of how bad the arguing is :) |
| 17:16 |
rubenwardy |
He doesn't do much of that on my server |
| 17:16 |
IhrFussel |
Every server owner should give players the option to "file a complaint" when they think they have been punished for a wrong/no reason |
| 17:16 |
rubenwardy |
Just joins to spam his broken cheat |
| 17:17 |
IhrFussel |
The implementation of that can vary from server to server...PM in forum, message in IRC, email etc |
| 17:18 |
paramat |
file a complaint to who though? the admins who just decided? EU court of human rights? :) |
| 17:18 |
rubenwardy |
A moderator could have made the decision |
| 17:21 |
paramat |
yeah. but players usually already have a way to dispute a decision |
| 17:22 |
paramat |
as said, tenplus is there for that |
| 17:28 |
twoelk |
still IhrFussel at some point there is a final decision and no quarantee that the player in distress accepts it - some will just go on fighting |
| 17:28 |
paramat |
so then the moderator and admin will discuss and the admin will reassess and make a final decision, and we're back to the same rule again :) |
| 17:28 |
paramat |
yep |
| 17:30 |
paramat |
the impression i get is that Ihr is actually a worse server admin than most for being too soft, but also preaches a lot about others being worse :) |
| 17:30 |
IhrFussel |
You should provide the player simply a way to let you know "hey i think i was punished in error" then you should re-read what happened (in case it wasn't you (owner)) and decide whether or not the ban was fine |
| 17:30 |
Shara |
Every so often someone joins #minetest moaning that x server banned them but boohoo they are innocent and the admin/moderator/goldfish who happened to have the ban priv is evil and mean |
| 17:31 |
Shara |
It's happened with RC bans before... and the player is asking for the IRC channel which is invite only... so they can try and join and spam us out |
| 17:32 |
IhrFussel |
That's not what I mean Shara ... I'm not talking about those crybabies that just can't accept that they broke rules and got punished for it...I'm talking about cases where it may not be as black and white and the staff/violating player need to meet somewhere in the middle |
| 17:32 |
Shara |
And I am pretty sure there are people who have believed those players and they now think that I / my moderators / my non-existent pet goldfish are evil and mean |
| 17:32 |
Shara |
Fussel, it is exactly what you mean even if you can't say it. |
| 17:32 |
Shara |
see* |
| 17:33 |
Shara |
You are choosing to think the player is truthful and the admin is not. |
| 17:36 |
IhrFussel |
No, I respect every player and I thought that's the general opinion with server owners...and if I respect every player then every player got the equal rights on my server and staff is *not* above players so if staff did something wrong then I of course reconsider what the staff did and might undo the punishment |
| 17:37 |
* twoelk |
has a second identity on quite a few servers just to get himself out of protected holes he fell into in the dark |
| 17:39 |
twoelk |
and I do often share an IP with others - most don't have an individuell router for everyone in every house or place they go online at |
| 17:40 |
Shara |
Fussel: ultimate issue is no one can police the admin (unless they do something that is actually illegal... and then the police can :P) |
| 17:41 |
Shara |
You can decide what you think player rights on all servers should be, but actually it's the server owner who decide what a player's rights are (again, so long as it's not literally illegal somehow) |
| 17:41 |
Shara |
decides* |
| 17:43 |
IhrFussel |
twoelk, and would you be fine with being banned cause "you have more than 1 account" without any way to give some sort of feedback or get the chance to prove that you're separate persons? |
| 17:44 |
IhrFussel |
my issue with the xanadu server owner is mainly that he doesn't give banned players a way to talk to him about what happened...cause he has no forum account, no (known) IRC account, no website...nothing |
| 17:44 |
IhrFussel |
He is basically isolated from the world in his xanadu bubble |
| 17:47 |
twoelk |
he has a tenplus1 :-D |
| 17:48 |
Shara |
Does that make it okay to constantly insult how someone else's server is managed? |
| 17:50 |
sofar |
can we keep the server/admin drama on each respective server, perhaps? |
| 17:51 |
paramat |
Ihr tenplus deals with that and can talk to the owner, and probably does, why imply otherwise? |
| 17:53 |
IhrFussel |
So you don't see what's wrong with no direct way of communication between players and server owners...then it#s no use to discuss any further with you...seems like our views are galaxies apart |
| 17:54 |
Shara |
Got to agree with sofar really... (hi sofar!) |
| 17:57 |
paramat |
Ihr i just said, there is tenplus who probably talks with the owner about situations. you're implying a lot |
| 17:59 |
paramat |
erm, talking generally, i think it's fine for a server owner to not want to communicate with anyone except other admin. personally i couldn't cope with ranting kids :) |
| 18:09 |
twoelk |
after all - minimal admin interaction servers have been a quite popular experiment and some managed quite well - for some time at least |
| 18:10 |
sfan5 |
i count at least 3 anarchy servers |
| 18:11 |
twoelk |
well, anarchy isn't the only form and by far not the best |
| 18:11 |
IhrFussel |
1 more message regardung this topic: Shinji_Ikari in case you read the IRC logs I invite you to my server and then we can discuss how you handle/manage your server and how I handle/manage mine |
| 18:11 |
IhrFussel |
regarding* |
| 18:11 |
paramat |
i was actually contacted privately by a player on Ihr's server who told me that Ihr is too soft on troublemakers and this was affecting other player's enjoyment ;) |
| 18:11 |
twoelk |
oops |
| 18:13 |
twoelk |
I di think though IhrFussel can manage his server just as he pleases and in turn has to accept that others may also do exactly that |
| 18:13 |
IhrFussel |
You cannot please everybody, but I rather act nice and reasonable than being an asshole towards my players and punishing them (too heavy) for something they might not even have done in the first place |
| 18:14 |
twoelk |
be carefull with all the being nice to players that you don't act like an ... to fellow server admins :-D |
| 18:15 |
IhrFussel |
My server got a /feedback and a /report ... I really offer MANY ways to communicate with me... offline messages exist too and mailboxes for books...players can tell me their opinion as much as they like |
| 18:15 |
twoelk |
giving interesting advice on difficult issues is nice but don't become a fanatic missionary |
| 18:16 |
IhrFussel |
Players may critize my actions or suggest changes...that is no crime on my server and encouraged |
| 18:16 |
Sokomine |
paramat: ihrfussel is a fine server admin and does well :-) so does shara. and vanessea of course has proven to be a very good server admin for a long time |
| 18:17 |
* twoelk |
desperately needs some time to do some extensive server touring again |
| 18:17 |
shivajiva |
having a reputation as a pushover is as bad as having a reputation for being over zealous, both attract different kinds of trolls and different levels of damage. Is this some kind of competition? |
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| 18:17 |
Sokomine |
Shara: ah, well, i'm afraid the earth would be heavily overpopulated if all those claimed siblings that are blamed with having done griefing (back in mc days) would actually exist :-) |
| 18:18 |
Shara |
Sokomine: yup :) |
| 18:18 |
IhrFussel |
I never said that I'm on some kind of "mission" to convince server owners to change/be like me... All I did was kinda ranting about a certain server owner who is unreachable for the average player and instead sends tenplus1 to deal with the complaints |
| 18:19 |
shivajiva |
you should join Xanadu and have a conversation with shinji rather than disrespect someone not present to defend themselves imo |
| 18:20 |
* twoelk |
largest group visit to a mt server, some 3 years ago was 7 players, all sitting at the same table, was fun, though hard on the connection |
| 18:20 |
shivajiva |
that's what I did |
| 18:20 |
Sokomine |
IhrFussel: no :-) your views are close together. at least as far as what you consider "right". you just want a formal law |
| 18:20 |
IhrFussel |
Do you actually really think that he would DISCUSS with another server owner who critizises him for his actions? |
| 18:21 |
IhrFussel |
He resides in his bubble for a reason and I thought that was obvious |
| 18:21 |
twoelk |
you would have to change some of your tone |
| 18:22 |
shivajiva |
that's my point, don't criticize before you have the facts, you lost the ability to have a discourse because you didn't go ask Shinji before making a fuss |
| 18:23 |
Sokomine |
twoelk: server touring is a lot of fun. there are diffrent mods to explore and diffrent textures to build with. that's why i'm so often not on those servers where i like the way of administration most. just...curiosity |
| 18:23 |
IhrFussel |
I offered him indirectly earlier to come to my server where nobody gets kicked/banned for critique ... there's nothing else I can do..either he accepts my invitation or he ignores it |
| 18:23 |
shivajiva |
how magnanimous of you |
| 18:23 |
benrob0329 |
To be honest, I dont find long-term builds and survival runs fun |
| 18:24 |
benrob0329 |
But something like, that Tardis building contest Xanadu had would have been fun |
| 18:24 |
paramat |
after all the preaching i doubt anyone would want to discuss server management with you ;) |
| 18:24 |
Sokomine |
IhrFussel: it's not bad for xanandu if tenplus1 does the communication with the rest of the world. i don't know if and to what degree he does. i think shinji could profit from talking to other server admins from time to time (as we all can) but maybe he doesn't have the time |
| 18:27 |
twoelk |
IhrFussel: could you really accept if he just sticks to his ways? I fear you would keep on argueing until you get annoying |
| 18:27 |
Sokomine |
i've even myself accidently rollbacked a player on one of vanessaes servers. his actions looked like griefing...but he was just a child :-(. we're all prone to errors |
| 18:28 |
* twoelk |
remembers that one |
| 18:29 |
IhrFussel |
paramat, you don't even play on my server you have absolutely NO CLUE what work I've done on my server whatsoever... you also have no clue about the "level of respect" my players pay me ... I can manage my server just fine and if yu don't believe it I'm sorry, but I want to show the strict server owners that it's NOT required for a server owner to be an asshole |
| 18:30 |
IhrFussel |
You can earn respect in other ways than being GOD |
| 18:30 |
sofar |
stop it |
| 18:30 |
* benrob0329 |
feels that this may be going on a bit long now |
| 18:31 |
sofar |
that's enough already |
| 18:31 |
sofar |
next topic, please |
| 18:33 |
* twoelk |
is now going to test looping through folders with git remote set-url origin https://notabug.org/tenplus1/%.git |
| 18:34 |
twoelk |
lol, that wasn't suposed to become a link in irc |
| 18:34 |
* Sokomine |
secretly feels happy about there beeing so many server owners who do the work and take it seriously and secretly tries to convince sofar that less jumping might be better :) |
| 18:34 |
twoelk |
no, serverhopping is cool ;-P |
| 18:35 |
* twoelk |
should really try another box |
| 18:35 |
Sokomine |
my update-git script gets stuck now in some repros as those have been moved. sometimes it's a simple replacement, but sometimes more hidden |
| 18:36 |
benrob0329 |
Inb4 clustergit |
| 18:36 |
paramat |
!next |
| 18:36 |
MinetestBot |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
| 18:38 |
twoelk |
that was unfair paramat :-D updating git clones has become quite an issue |
| 18:41 |
benrob0329 |
https://github.com/mnagel/clustergit |
| 18:44 |
twoelk |
hm, not really a solution |
| 18:48 |
* twoelk |
moves his batchfile out of the testing zone |
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| 18:53 |
tenplus1 |
hi peeps |
| 18:53 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 18:53 |
Shara |
Hi tenplus1 |
| 18:54 |
tenplus1 |
hey shara :) |
| 18:54 |
tenplus1 |
quick question, are abritorches meant to burn ? as in cause fires ? |
| 18:54 |
Shara |
Hmm, not really. |
| 18:54 |
tenplus1 |
was wondering, cause they are mostly crystal based |
| 18:54 |
twoelk |
yay I just updated all my tenplus1 mods in one go |
| 18:54 |
tenplus1 |
hi twoelk |
| 18:55 |
twoelk |
o/ |
| 18:55 |
Shara |
At least for the "correct" version (when using them with CRL...) they are meant to be kind of magical in nature |
| 18:55 |
tenplus1 |
a player was using them and they melted ice/snow... had no idea they were meant to do that :D |
| 18:56 |
twoelk |
now I just need to sort my hundreds of cloned mods according to the git-hosts they fled to |
| 18:56 |
* tenplus1 |
calls in Esther Ranson to track down lost git-hosts |
| 18:57 |
Shara |
Maybe something in groups? |
| 18:57 |
tenplus1 |
could be the torch=1 group |
| 18:58 |
tenplus1 |
makes abms think it's a normal torch :) |
| 18:58 |
Shara |
Yea, probably you have something deciding that means things melt |
| 19:03 |
BillyS |
I have a very wierd issue |
| 19:03 |
BillyS |
My mod registers a globalstep, which displays a formspec to a player every second |
| 19:04 |
BillyS |
But it doesn't display it if the player's hp is <= 0 |
| 19:04 |
BillyS |
However, when the player dies, they don't get the "You died" message |
| 19:04 |
BillyS |
They just sortta get turned into a ghost |
| 19:04 |
tenplus1 |
weird |
| 19:05 |
BillyS |
If I remove the line that shows the formspec, it all works just fine ... |
| 19:05 |
twoelk |
if anybody wants to do some batch comand to git folders this might be usefull -> https://pastebin.com/FZnFnvwK |
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tenplus1 |
wb aerozoic |
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aerozoic |
thx |
| 19:09 |
BillyS |
ahhh I found the issue |
| 19:09 |
tenplus1 |
kewl |
| 19:09 |
tenplus1 |
Shara: updated ethereal, was using group:torch and told it not to :D |
| 19:10 |
tenplus1 |
also toolrank support for crystal sword now :D |
| 19:11 |
Shara |
Ohhhh |
| 19:11 |
Shara |
I still want toolranks to add more than durability :D |
| 19:12 |
tenplus1 |
oh it will, in 0.5.0 since we can dynamically change tool capabilities :) |
| 19:12 |
tenplus1 |
we already have a tinkers mod like in mc to try it out :0 |
| 19:14 |
Shara |
Nice |
| 19:15 |
Shara |
I really want something where you have a crafting skill level, and depending on that you can get modifiers on things you craft with different effects |
| 19:18 |
tenplus1 |
I'd be happy with an enchanting table being able to finally change a tool specs live :) |
| 19:41 |
tenplus1 |
nite all o/ |
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| 20:49 |
Sokomine |
Shara: adventuretest has such crafting skill levels to a degree. at the beginning, all crafted tools are already almost broken. it takes a high skill level to build a tool that will last for a while |
| 20:49 |
Shara |
I'd like something a bit more flexable than just increased durability |
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