Time  Nick          Message
08:05 tenplus1      hi folks
10:01 IhrFussel     The padlocks mod's door doesn't seem to save the entered users when punching thw door to open it..it erases the meta as soon as I punch it or maybe it#s because it#s different nodes and the 2nd doesn't know about the meta of the first one
10:03 IhrFussel     /add NAME works and when I do /list the name is listed... when I try to add the same name it also tells me the player can already access the door ... but after punching it /list says no one is allowed to use it again
10:11 IhrFussel     WAIT
10:11 IhrFussel     Does minetest.env:add_node(pos, {name = "padlocks:door_bottom_"..t, param2 = p2}) clear the metadata of the node at that pos?
10:12 IhrFussel     Shouldn't swap_node() just work there and keep its meta?
10:19 rubenwardy    Remove env:
10:19 rubenwardy    And yes
10:19 rubenwardy    And yes
10:20 IhrFussel     It's an old mod and swap_node() works perfect now! The only problem is that /list only lists the allowed users when the door is opened now
10:20 IhrFussel     But the allowed users still seem to be able to open/close it at will no matter what /list says
10:59 IhrFussel     Can someone help me with what param2 has to be set to when I want the node to function like a door? For example if oldp2 == 2 then newp2 = 3 end
11:13 red-001       the discord stuff would be a lot more useful if someone was willing to go through the approval process for adding a quick join option
11:34 red-001       hi paramat
11:46 paramat       IhrFussel see MTG doors mod
12:03 * Sokomine    replaces the locked doors with open ones
12:43 Sokomine      hmm. guess i really have to buy a new ssd. starting local mt games is noticably slower without
12:47 rubenwardy    I'm having issues with lighting and such
12:48 rubenwardy    we're placing a schematic onto an LVM, and then using write_to_map which supposedly recalcs lighting
12:48 rubenwardy    yet most of the schem is fully exposed
12:48 rubenwardy    (we = ANAND&I)
12:48 rubenwardy    here's the code:
12:48 rubenwardy    https://github.com/rubenwardy/capturetheflag/pull/167
12:48 rubenwardy    I had the exact same issue in my local version though, although that was with l
12:49 rubenwardy    with LVM to emerge, place schem to place, then fix_light
12:49 rubenwardy    kinda weird
12:49 rubenwardy    paramat: how much do you know about map loading / LVMs / etc?
12:53 Sokomine      i do have trouble with lighting in my villages as well. it cannot be entirely avoided. there kind of is choice between random crashes and huge shadowy areas
12:53 Sokomine      that mostly applys to something beeing placed in the shell
12:53 rubenwardy    lol
12:53 ANAND         I feel that LVMs need better, more comprehensive documentation
12:53 Sokomine      paramat knows a whole lot about that :-)
12:53 Sokomine      he and hmmm are the experts
12:53 rubenwardy    LVMs have nice documentation, just not the edge cases like these
12:55 Sokomine      ah. i don't use place_schematic. i'm reading the schematic file as such and placing it directly using lvm
12:55 ANAND         Esp. placing schems within LVMs
12:55 Sokomine      there's some limits to that. thus, manual placement in my case
12:55 ANAND         How do you manually place schems tho?
12:56 Sokomine      by placing them block-by-block in my lua code
12:56 ANAND         Is that efficient?
12:56 Sokomine      it is necessary
12:56 ANAND         Interesting...
12:57 Sokomine      there's also other stuff going on - like the ground beeing leveled, the biome preserved as much as possible, snow covers kept and placed if possible, cavegen and mudflow damage repaired especially in the shell, ...
12:58 rubenwardy    well, my schematics are around 200x200x200
12:58 rubenwardy    230x230x230
12:58 Sokomine      the place_schematics function caches almost everything. i couldn't run it with diffrent replacements for diffrent buildings
12:58 Sokomine      quite big, yes. the in-build functions may be more efficient for that. you're spawning the arena for pvp fights?
12:58 ANAND         yes
12:58 ANAND         and the schematics are placed on a singlenode world
12:59 Sokomine      yes. that's a very diffrent setup
12:59 paramat       erm
12:59 Sokomine      hi paramat :-)
13:00 paramat       fully exposed = fullbright?
13:00 Sokomine      thanks for your work. mtg also develops nicely. just ran a new world yesterday and enjoyed the new dirt type in forrests with needle trees
13:00 rubenwardy    yes
13:00 rubenwardy    well, partially
13:00 rubenwardy    so, split the map into 3 long ways
13:00 rubenwardy    the outer thirds are full bright
13:00 rubenwardy    the middle is dark with occasional highlight
13:00 ANAND         heh
13:01 paramat       looking
13:02 ANAND         That just applies to one schem tho, the open (outdoor) schems have the correct lighting
13:02 rubenwardy    https://i.rubenwardy.com/RhpdX.png
13:02 rubenwardy    left is mostly correct
13:03 rubenwardy    middle has random highlights
13:03 rubenwardy    right is full bright
13:03 rubenwardy    I spawned in left
13:03 rubenwardy    but last time left was full bright
13:03 rubenwardy    so it's non-deterministic
13:03 rubenwardy    it also takes like 12 seconds
13:03 ANAND         oh wow.....
13:03 rubenwardy    whereas the old method (emerge_area, placeschem, fix_light) took about 2
13:04 rubenwardy    I guess I may have to go with the preload method if this can't be fixed
13:05 rubenwardy    thinking about it
13:05 rubenwardy    it may not actually be sending 3x currently as the players aren't teleported until after
13:05 paramat       ah i see, a really big schem
13:05 rubenwardy    ah
13:05 ANAND         You have a point....
13:05 rubenwardy    I'm running in debug mode
13:05 rubenwardy    so that could be why it's slow
13:06 rubenwardy    ANAND has it loaded in a few second
13:06 rubenwardy    well, a really big schem should load fine, just slower than a small one :)
13:06 ANAND         whereas the old method ensured that my PC freezes for 10-12 seconds
13:06 ANAND         everytime a schem is placed
13:07 paramat       oh the code looks wrong ..
13:07 ANAND         ah...
13:08 paramat       see my usage here https://github.com/paramat/catacomb/blob/5ea2d0739d9bda2a7a9cc633f9e3f0c263899150/init.lua#L288 lines to 291
13:09 paramat       the 2 'pos' are provided in 'read from map', even if you don't need 'emin' 'emax'
13:09 rubenwardy    not according to the lua docs
13:09 ANAND         vm:update_map()??
13:10 rubenwardy    that's deprecated ^
13:10 ANAND         oh
13:10 rubenwardy    doesn't do anything
13:10 ANAND         afk for a lil
13:10 paramat       well, see if it works, docs may be wrong
13:10 rubenwardy    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L3121
13:10 rubenwardy    surely it should just crash if an area is loaded in anyway? Indices would be all wrong
13:12 red-001       https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/3face01a202040e4feff3b0936b4aa89c051c98d/src/script/lua_api/l_vmanip.cpp#L341
13:14 paramat       yes but see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/968ce9af598024ec71e9ffb2d15c3997a13ad754/doc/lua_api.txt#L4504 your method results in possibly different behaviour
13:14 paramat       minetest.get_voxel_manip([p1, p2]) may be broken or it may be due to a large schem
13:15 rubenwardy    it's never due to a large schem
13:15 rubenwardy    if it breaks on large schems then there's a bug
13:15 paramat       your map is placed in 'on generated'?
13:15 paramat       yeah
13:15 rubenwardy    or there's an undocumented limitation
13:15 rubenwardy    no
13:16 rubenwardy    it's loaded using LVM
13:16 rubenwardy    changing to read_from_map doesn't change anything
13:16 paramat       disabled lighting in singlenode?
13:16 Sokomine      aaah. i found my test-world for a specific test again :-)
13:16 rubenwardy    it's singlenode with ctf_map:ignore
13:16 rubenwardy    not sure what you mean by disabled lighting
13:17 paramat       hang on ..
13:17 paramat       you may need to disable core mapgen light calculations as they could interfere
13:18 rubenwardy    interesting
13:18 paramat       https://github.com/paramat/lvm_example/blob/40fd390c3266393eeefafef34b73b0408c832c58/init.lua#L19
13:20 paramat       so you allow the whole volume to generate with singlenode placing 'ignore', then place your map? you need to make sure the whole volume generates before placing
13:20 rubenwardy    that fixes it
13:20 rubenwardy    thanks very much
13:20 paramat       oh good
13:20 * paramat     is relieved
13:28 rubenwardy    https://github.com/rubenwardy/capturetheflag/releases/tag/v1.10.0
13:37 IhrFussel     Okay so padlocks mod got a problem regarding sharing meta between top/bottom nodes... my worlaround now is to make the top nodes of the door "dead" nodes that have no interaction whatsoever and manage everything via the bottom
13:37 IhrFussel     workaround*
13:39 Sokomine      those two-nodes high things like doors etc. tend to change from time to time regarding implementation of workaround
13:44 rubenwardy    ha, removing the center barrier causes a shadow
13:47 rubenwardy    https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/0b152bec59cd8a2489bbd984a4db4918
13:47 rubenwardy    !title
13:47 MinetestBot   rubenwardy: mapreviews.md · GitHub
13:50 rubenwardy    https://github.com/rubenwardy/capturetheflag/wiki/Map-Reviews
14:15 * Sokomine    watches a poor mob struggle with doors:gate_wood_open
14:16 Sokomine      they're quite a challenge...
14:54 IhrFussel     Any reason why mapblocks don't load properly after teleporting sometimes? It's not the connection, server lag is 0.3 max and everything else continues to send...just mapblocks appear gray for a bit
14:54 srifqi        Maybe, it was generating the map?
14:54 IhrFussel     Nope old location
14:55 IhrFussel     Just now again...really weird
14:56 IhrFussel     Chat works, ingame time works...it's really just the mapblocks
15:03 Krock         increase the mapblock sends
15:13 IhrFussel     You mean server total or per client?
15:20 IcyDiamond    I changed my fluid transfer from abm to on_timer + lbm
15:51 rubenwardy    paramat: there's still bugs :'(
15:51 rubenwardy    looks like no light only helps in the caverns map
15:51 rubenwardy    in the normal maps where you're outside, it causes random shadows
15:54 rubenwardy    might have to do a delay then fix light :'(
15:56 Krock         IhrFussel, per client. the total server amount was removed
16:00 paramat       so you're using the 'nolight' flag i assume. you changed the code too?
16:01 rubenwardy    yeah
16:01 paramat       are you sure the map is added after all the mapchunks have generated?
16:01 rubenwardy    lvm generates chunks
16:01 rubenwardy    well, blocks at least
16:01 rubenwardy    is it worth chunk aligning it?
16:02 rubenwardy    so that the mapgen doesn't generate in that chunk at all
16:02 paramat       btw you can't place 'ignore' using singlenode, see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/968ce9af598024ec71e9ffb2d15c3997a13ad754/src/mapgen/mapgen_singlenode.cpp#L40 it reverts to air
16:03 rubenwardy    I'm placing  ctf_map:ignore
16:03 paramat       oh actually, looking at the code, singlenode mapgen isn't affected by the 'nolight' flag
16:03 rubenwardy    loool
16:03 rubenwardy    so it was chance that it worked when I tested? XD
16:04 paramat       no i mean core mapgen
16:04 paramat       sorry, context
16:04 paramat       that was a reply to ' lvm generates chunks'
16:05 rubenwardy    hmmm
16:05 rubenwardy    it's possible players are moved before the LVM is donw
16:05 rubenwardy    could that start the mapgen async?
16:05 rubenwardy    which would then fuck things up
16:05 paramat       if you use singlenode core mapgen will generate mapchunks, this generation may affect what you add using LVM
16:06 paramat       so your 'ignore' node must have 'sunlight propagates = false' to create darkness
16:07 rubenwardy    https://github.com/rubenwardy/capturetheflag/blob/master/mods/ctf_map/nodes.lua#L1-L14
16:07 rubenwardy    no
16:07 paramat       see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/968ce9af598024ec71e9ffb2d15c3997a13ad754/src/mapgen/mapgen_singlenode.cpp#L45
16:08 paramat       core mapgen will set light to 15 with your current 'ignore' node
16:09 rubenwardy    hmm
16:10 paramat       but anyway, about core mapgen. unless you place the schem after all mapchunks have been through the core mapgen phase some may generate after the schem is placed, no nodes will be placed but the 'set light' will run
16:10 rubenwardy    does LVM not load aligned to chunk borders?
16:11 paramat       oops actually, see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/968ce9af598024ec71e9ffb2d15c3997a13ad754/src/mapgen/mapgen_singlenode.cpp#L92 the 'nolight' flag does have an effect, sorry
16:11 rubenwardy    lol
16:11 ANAND         thought so... :P
16:11 paramat       so use the flag and leave your ignore node as it is :)
16:11 rubenwardy    what's causing the corrent issue then?
16:12 rubenwardy    schems which are open to the sky are covered in shadow
16:12 rubenwardy    but not every time
16:12 ANAND         looks like vm:write_to_map is not calculating lighting at all
16:13 paramat       singlenode mapgen placed nodes aligned to mapchunk borders yes, but that's irrelevant to what i said if your schem is bigger than a mapchunk
16:21 paramat       when is the schem placed, is it placed in an 'on generated' function?
16:21 rubenwardy    it's placed in an on_punch callback
16:22 paramat       oh ..
16:22 rubenwardy    essentially
16:22 rubenwardy    1. flag is punched
16:22 rubenwardy    2. ctf state is completely dropped
16:23 rubenwardy    3. new map is picked
16:23 rubenwardy    4. LVM created, schm placed, write
16:23 paramat       ok so all mapchunks are already generated, i misunderstood
16:23 rubenwardy    5. flag based set using set_node
16:23 rubenwardy    6. chests
16:23 rubenwardy    players are moved as 7 or 3.5, I forget
16:23 rubenwardy    no
16:23 rubenwardy    the area isn't loaded before LVM
16:23 rubenwardy    LVM should be loading it
16:24 paramat       juhdanad is the person for this issue, probably worth opening an issue for this
16:24 rubenwardy    right
16:24 paramat       juhdanad wrote the new lighting code used by LVMs
16:25 paramat       some bugs may remain, maybe triggered by such a large schem
16:26 paramat       i wrote 'generated' not 'loaded' :) as in, 'generated by core mapgen'
16:26 paramat       as far as core mapgen is concerned, all mapchunks are generated, so core mapgen will not run again
16:28 paramat       to clarify, whenever i have written 'generate' above i mean core mapgen generation
16:28 rubenwardy    hmm
16:29 paramat       so anyway i don't know what the issue is, possibly a bug just discovered
16:33 paramat       erm, the schem is the size of the whole world, so what is above the ctf world? it needs to be something with light
16:34 paramat       this use of LVM assumes a volume smaller than the MT world with air or nodes above, not ignore
16:35 rubenwardy    ctf_map:ignore
16:35 rubenwardy    although
16:35 rubenwardy    actually it would be ignore above
16:36 paramat       hm but then, since your ignore node has 'sunlight_propagates' singlenode will light those with level 15. so it's not that
16:36 rubenwardy    I'll try making the LVM a block higher
16:36 paramat       oh, normal ignore may be dark
16:37 rubenwardy    no, increasing height doesn't help
16:38 paramat       meh this is complex :)
16:38 rubenwardy    doing   fix_light 2 seconds later doesn't fix it
16:38 rubenwardy    so it's something to do with the emerging
16:38 rubenwardy    I'll try adding emerge_area instead
16:40 paramat       emerge area then a pause i guess since it's async
16:40 rubenwardy    in the mean time I've rolled back the server
16:40 rubenwardy    well, I have an easy way to do callbacks on emerge area finish
16:41 rubenwardy    https://github.com/rubenwardy/capturetheflag/blob/master/mods/ctf_map/emerge.lua
16:41 rubenwardy    ctf_map.emerge_with_callbacks(name, pos1, pos2, finished_cb, progress_cb)
16:47 paramat       ah so there is a callback on emergeg block ..
16:47 paramat       *emerged
16:50 paramat       useful
16:52 rubenwardy    err
16:53 rubenwardy    caves and dungeons are in the flags
16:53 rubenwardy    do they work in singlenode?
17:01 paramat       erm
17:02 paramat       no, singlenode doesn't call cavegen/dungeongen whatever the flags are set to
17:13 rdococ        Do survival servers that don't have a dedicated currency, but *do* have exchange shops eventually result in players creating forms of currency themselves out of items like gold ingots?
17:26 Shara         rdococ: take a walk around some and check what the shops have?
17:27 Shara         Personally I always asked for whatever things I need (often being coal and/or mese so I didn't need to ever mine again :D)
17:28 rdococ        Well, IRL I have technology surrounding me and I didn't mine the resources used to create them one bit ;)
17:29 rubenwardy    On redcrab, a currency formed based on iron ingots for small and Mese for large transactions
17:29 rubenwardy    A shit currency as it would cause hyperinflation by having the ability to obtain it
17:29 rubenwardy    Ofc there weren't many players
17:31 Shara         On Xanadu I decided I would build a farm... which meant I sold food, saplings and crystals (you grow cystals with the ethereal mod). I'd set the price usually as coal or mese since those would require me to mine otherwise. Result was I got stacks and stacks of both with next to no effort.
17:31 Shara         And I could do things with them.. whereas there wouldn't be much to do with gold other than stick it in a chest
17:32 Krock         Well, gold can be used to build something. However, not in a larger scale
17:32 Shara         Krock: sure, but never cared for the look of it much in buildings.
17:32 Krock         It works quite well for industrial builds
17:39 red-001       I wonder could a reserve currency work in minetest
17:40 Krock         Alright, after all I might need to write a CSM to generate formspecs as fast as possible to send manipulated/invalid fields to the server.. using an edited client. Finding exploits outside of inventory lists takes much more effort :(
17:40 Krock         red-001, what kind of reserve currency?
17:42 * rubenwardy  is working on a capitalism game
17:42 Krock         rubenwardy, the one which includes buying areas and such?
17:42 rubenwardy    you will need to buy land, yeah
17:43 Krock         Hint: portable exchange shop node. Does not require the mod around to allow item exchanging. https://github.com/SmallJoker/bitchange/blob/master/shop.lua </ads>
17:44 Krock         However, I should consider moving it into a separate mod because adding a currency with it is not always desired
17:44 Krock         plus shipping currency backwards compat since these shops work very similar. Much work to do for my part :)
17:46 red-001       inflation in minetest seems to be as much an issue with server admin as with money mods
17:47 Shara         A lot of servers allow tool repair and so on... so after a point you basically just mine more and more stuff and never use more of it
17:48 red-001       a tax on money at rest could help
17:48 Krock         tool repair using money. converting money to mese but not backwards
17:48 Shara         Then thos eplayers start giving away whatever, and new players basically get "gifts" given to them that mean they skip so much of the starting part the first players went through
17:49 Shara         red-001: then people store rare materials, not "money"
17:49 red-001       because money is useless
17:49 Shara         Personally I've never yet been on a server with actual "money" that seemed to handle it in any useful way
17:50 red-001       "money" in minetest seems to never be implemented like real life money
17:50 Shara         And if it's that mod where it just spawns in your inventory every so often... that just annoys me... it's like losing an inventory space for something I don't care about because there is nothing worth buying anyway
17:50 rubenwardy    captalism will be the first :)
17:50 Shara         rubenwardy: I hope so really
17:51 red-001       it's like fiat money without any goverment backing it
17:52 rubenwardy    capitalism will have a government
17:52 rubenwardy    although not to begin with
17:52 rubenwardy    there's a point when I actually need to release it
17:53 red-001       money in games seems to be really hard to get right
17:55 tumeninodes   willows https://imgur.com/a/cIC3EM8  I do not get/understand how yslices work, could use some layman's help :/
17:55 paramat       ask away
17:56 Shara         tumeninodes: that looks interesting :D
17:56 paramat       look nice
17:56 tumeninodes   :D awesome thank you... please hold
17:59 tumeninodes   here is the saveschem (I used Casimir's tool) https://0bin.net/paste/Olj3KNJouuKJcWSL#ywMbGLEklvQDoiolWLY0MtJl3oBC3BCdU3Cn3uT2RuR
17:59 tumeninodes   yslice probs are way off
18:00 tumeninodes   I played around with them a little but, does not help when you do not really even understand them
18:01 tumeninodes   I looked in the mapgen questions thread and saw some info but none which explains which ypos is for which aspect
18:01 paramat       0 is the lowest layer of nodes
18:01 tumeninodes   and yes, I know that code will need to be cleaned up :P
18:02 tumeninodes   ok so top setting (ypos=0)?
18:03 paramat       the number designates the horizontal node layer in the original schem
18:03 paramat       'top'? lowest layer of nodes
18:04 tumeninodes   :/ there has to be either a way to explain in extreme layman speak or someone to do a quick vid tutorial :P
18:05 paramat       so you set a probability for whatever horizontal layer of nodes you want to have a chance of being left out
18:05 tumeninodes   I thought due to the uppy eyes down layout, of the 4 ypos, the top ypos would represent the bottom layers
18:05 paramat       no, forget the upside-down nature of lua tables, just think about the actual upright structure in the world :)
18:06 paramat       so by lowest layer i mean 'of the actual upright structure'
18:06 tumeninodes   ohhhh, the roots should prob be something like ypos=0 prob=255?
18:06 paramat       ypos has nothing to do with whether the lua table is written upright or upsidedown
18:07 rubenwardy    erm
18:07 rubenwardy    *typos
18:07 rubenwardy    /jk
18:07 tumeninodes   I am a walking typo :D
18:07 paramat       lol
18:07 paramat       yes lowest roots will be ypos=0
18:08 tumeninodes   ok, that makes some more sense now
18:09 paramat       if a node layer is skipped due to probability all the other layers above are moved down one node. however ypos always refers to the layers of the full structure
18:09 tumeninodes   this is difficult for me to grasp without visuals haha
18:10 tumeninodes   a crayon sketch or something
18:13 paramat       well my last message is not important to grasp right now
18:14 tumeninodes   that's good..., cuz I didn;t firmly grasp it :D
18:15 paramat       essentially, just decide which node layers of the complete upright tree structure you want to have probability applied to. 0 = lowest layer, then it goes 1,2,3.. as you go up
18:15 paramat       and 127 is fine as a prob
18:18 tumeninodes   so, if a structure is 16 nodes high, there are essentially 16 ypos..., but you basically want to just pick n choose roughly which areas to be effected by a possibility of a change?
18:18 tumeninodes   sorry, just trying to work it in my head. Or, are the layers = to the number of sections in the lua table
18:19 tumeninodes   I am so amusing to work with :P
18:19 paramat       first is correct
18:20 paramat       16 nodes high: ypos 0-15 base to top
18:20 tumeninodes   awesome... I think I'm starting to see the light
18:21 tumeninodes   thank you paramat..., it definitely makes sense now.
18:22 tumeninodes   it's those sort of little details (set into just straight/basic language) that tends to be missing from most if not all docs
18:24 tumeninodes   and in the yslice prob section of the code, it does not make any difference where I set any layer? But commonly the rule is to use lowest denomination at the top, and the highest at the bottom of that list, correct?
18:26 tumeninodes   meaning ypos=0, prob=127 | ypos=5, prob=127 | ypos=10, prob=127, etc... top > bottom
18:27 tumeninodes   I was wondering why almost the entire base/roots of the willows were not generating, and now I know.... (mostly) :)
18:28 paramat       order has no effect in the ypos list but i order from 0 ->
18:28 tumeninodes   ok, got it now. thank you so much
18:30 tumeninodes   As soon as I get them just the way I want..., it will be time to make some much better textures. work work work work work...
18:31 tumeninodes   I think I may make these leaves passable too... since they sit so low to the water.. not sure yet but..., I think that might be a good thingto think about with the new small pines in MTG as well
18:33 tumeninodes   meaning walkable = false
18:36 paramat       nah it's good to have some impassable trees in mtg, travel is too easy otherwise
18:38 tumeninodes   true, although I typically forget to view things from the actual "gaming" aspect of it all :P
18:41 Shara         Thick forest should take some effort to move through
18:43 tumeninodes   not if you have a.... machete
18:43 tumeninodes   :)
18:45 tumeninodes   hmmm, my trees are still floating in air, and not really producing the full roots :/  maybe a lower prob, like 64?
18:45 entuland      can I talk in private to someone about a community thing? are there moderators around?
18:45 red-001       moderators for what?
18:45 red-001       the irc? forums?
18:45 tumeninodes   #minetest
18:45 entuland      forum / mods, stuff like that
18:46 entuland      or should I use the forum facilities instead?
18:46 red-001       doesn't really matter
18:46 red-001       but chances are that will take longer
18:47 Krock         entuland, according to the forum last visitors, rubenwardy is online
18:47 Shara         entuland: feel free to message me as well
18:47 Krock         /query <name>  for PMs in IRC
18:47 entuland      okay
18:47 rubenwardy    que
18:47 entuland      thanks
18:47 entuland      rubenwardy, can I PM you?
18:47 * Shara       apparently isn't good enough
18:47 tumeninodes   quiche?
18:47 rubenwardy    I'm a bit busy
18:47 rubenwardy    D:
18:48 Krock         Shara, not anymore ^
18:48 * rubenwardy  defers to Shara
18:48 entuland      that's good, I thought about disturbing rubenwardy cause it's related to content.minetest.net as well
18:48 entuland      I'll PM Shara
18:48 rubenwardy    oh right
18:48 red-001       I also see krock is online
18:48 rubenwardy    then I may be better
18:48 tumeninodes   there, there Shara... it's ok
18:48 rubenwardy    busy = reviewing CTF maps
18:48 Krock         red-001, inb4 I have no power on the forums
18:48 entuland      eheheh
18:48 rubenwardy    so not actually important
18:48 entuland      who shall I disturb then?
18:48 Shara         tumeninodes: but now I'm sad and sulky :P
18:48 entuland      :)
18:49 tumeninodes   here... have a kitty
18:49 Krock         well, busy is busy. if it wouldn't be important then I wouldn't even mention it lol
18:49 red-001       you can look disapproving
18:49 Shara         entuland: in this time you probably could have messaged both of us :P
18:49 entuland      ahahaha
18:49 entuland      that's okay
18:49 entuland      I'll msg both and you'll see
18:49 Krock         both in parallel for the double effect 8)
18:49 tumeninodes   do first, ask forgiveness later... that's my ideology
18:50 red-001       are devs are particle or a wave?
18:50 tumeninodes   abms
18:50 tumeninodes   lotsa lag
18:50 Krock         it's a slimy something of mass floating in front of luminescent screens
18:51 Krock         so, red-001. it's non of them
18:51 Krock         *none
18:51 tumeninodes   ewww.I'm trying to eat here
18:51 red-001       quantium mechanics wasn't meant to be complex it just ended up lagging really bad
18:51 tumeninodes   ha
18:51 tumeninodes   too caught up trying to solve itself
18:54 * tumeninodes has to go pretend to try to fix my trees, before I ask someone to fix them XD
19:00 paramat       the prob is the prob of the layer appearing btw
19:01 red-001       Shara, shouldn't https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=17929 be renamed?
19:01 red-001       !title
19:01 MinetestBot   red-001: Minetest 0.5.0 is on the road - Minetest Forums
19:02 Shara         Maybe.
19:02 Shara         Either that or someone should explain the change
19:02 tumeninodes   ohhhhhhhh, that's why... hmmm, so ypos=0, prob=255? because prob does not determine variables in placement direction (or rotation on placement) does it?
19:03 tumeninodes   that's easy to explain... 5..., minus 0
19:04 tumeninodes   brb
19:04 rubenwardy    <PlayerOnCTF> Also what happened to Calinou he doesnt join now
19:05 paramat       yslice prob only applies prob, not rotation or anything else
19:07 IcyDiamond    What's up fellas
19:20 rdococ        this is hilarious: https://content.minetest.net/packages/texmex/commons/
19:20 rdococ        "Abolishes private property by melting the solid chest locks into air."
19:26 Calinou       hi :)
19:26 Calinou       rubenwardy: I'm still around but don't really play Minetest anymore :/
19:27 rubenwardy    :'(
19:28 rdococ        rubenwardy: Looks like someone beat you to communism_game, lol
19:28 rubenwardy    dang
19:34 rdococ        You could theoretically set up a commune in any survival server, but then you risk people outside the commune stealing your stuff.
19:35 rdococ        That is, unless you use shared locked chests.
19:36 tumeninodes   ok..., I finally figured out the problem with the willow roots... The first pos when using schemtools, I had set at the level of the bottom nodes :P, And then it only saves from above it, so I need to set pos1 one node below the bottom tree nodes
19:36 tumeninodes   bada bing bada boom
19:45 paramat       ah
19:46 tumeninodes   yeh, it seems the pos have to be set inline with the outermost nodes on sides... but 1 node above and 1 node below the overall structure. I did not know that.
19:58 tumeninodes   hmmm, nope. Now I do have the roots (bottom section) but, they are still hovering. :/  wth? These willows sit in the waterline along coasts..., They seem to be setting on the land nodes at waters edge but, the ones which are placed "in" the water... sit atop the water, and not onto the dirt below the water surface. Any ideas?
19:59 tumeninodes   these basically take the place of the jungle trees which sit in the water so, jungle swamp (or whatever) and they are registered/set up that way
19:59 tumeninodes   brb need to take a call
20:11 paramat       if you want the roots to replace water those nodes have to be set with per-node force-placement, all your trunk/branch nodes should have force-place, but the leaves should not. see the lua table schems in 'saveschems' mod as examples
20:18 rdococ        I'd like to see 'synchronous digilines': a system which would allow a luacontroller to send a digiline message, wait for the response and continue without using interrupts.
20:20 IhrFussel     Does minetest.item_eat() allow floats as value?
20:20 IhrFussel     Will floats just be floored/ceiled?
20:20 tumeninodes   ok paramat, I'll check those. Thanks again
20:40 tumeninodes   Excellent, now I have a fuller understanding of how it all works (thank you paramat) https://imgur.com/a/v0Uznr5
20:40 tumeninodes   !title
20:40 MinetestBot   tumeninodes: Coastal Willows - Album on Imgur
20:41 tumeninodes   still need a little tweaking but, I'm happy with them so far
20:43 tumeninodes   I think what I will do, is to create a meadow/meadowlands biome to sweeten the pot. And probably thin out the generation of inland willows, but keep them fairly abundant along coastlines (randomly)
20:45 Krock         Looks quite good already - could also be improved more by random removing of nodes so that the trees don't look the same all the time
20:45 tumeninodes   adding and utilizing waterlilys, cattails, long types of grass and some other related plantlife (but not over the edge, so it's not over crowded) and possibly 3 variable size of willows
20:45 tumeninodes   thanks Krock... yeh, that's what I mean by more tweaking, the top especially is too flat
20:47 tumeninodes   the first step should probably be to clean up the code schemtools generates so it matches the code in saveschems. RIght now it looks like jibberish and confusing
20:50 tumeninodes   I basically set all tree nodes to force_place = true :P because I could not tell yet which are which quickly. That should be removed so some of the branches dangle at the water surface
20:50 tumeninodes   (or "leaves" dangling just above water)
20:52 paramat       nice shape and textures
20:52 tumeninodes   the textures and basic layout of the tree is from Farlands, just fiddled with, and I will makes new textures but, I'm happy so far and I can work on them more later. Now there are a couple other trees I want to restyle and create
20:53 tumeninodes   the textures for these in Farlands are good, I just want to try some different designs and colours
20:55 tumeninodes   I always seem to get more work accomplished on rainy days :D
21:02 rdococ        Minetest 0.4.17-dev just crashed within a few seconds of me opening it, before I was about to close it.
21:02 rdococ        I think, I'm not sure if I may have clicked the close button without realizing it.
21:03 red-001       linux or windows?
21:03 red-001       should be a core dump somewhere if it crashed
21:33 tumeninodes   awe... so wanted to kickban "yayz"
21:45 rdococ        Looks like the version formatting change from 0.5.0 to 5.0.0 is official now...