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07:20 IcyDiamond https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-06-22-10:19:53.png look at the generation of this world
07:21 IcyDiamond rubenwardy: what sort of duplication?
07:27 VanessaE IcyDiamond: thew world 1000 years after a meteorite strike? :)
07:27 VanessaE -w
07:28 IcyDiamond :D
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08:15 tenplus1 hi folks
08:16 tenplus1 0.4.17 has changed stairs dependencies so anyone having issues running Farming Redo on 0.4.16 please see this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9019&p=322451#p322451
08:44 IcyDiamond tenplus1: hey, would it be possible to make a mob spawner with your mobs system?
08:44 IcyDiamond like a node that spawns mobs at a random interval
08:44 tenplus1 hi Diamond :)  also yes, give yourself mobs:spawner  and you can configure it to spawn things
08:44 IcyDiamond ooh, i though about making a powered spawner
08:45 IcyDiamond :)
08:45 tenplus1 ahh sweet :) mesecon spawning now in effect :PPPP
08:45 IcyDiamond elepower powered spawner
08:45 IcyDiamond :P
08:45 tenplus1 ooh, that too
08:45 IcyDiamond XD
08:45 IcyDiamond well i can add mesecons support to elepower so i can toggle things on off
08:47 tenplus1 the spawner I provide is very simple anyway and only really used as an example
08:47 tenplus1 am still trying to find better ways to spawn mobs into the world tho
08:53 IcyDiamond hm i can only get it to spawn one mob
08:54 tenplus1 the elepower spawner ?
08:54 IcyDiamond no, yours
08:54 IcyDiamond oh i guess it has a large radius?
08:54 tenplus1 ohh, yeah...  it spawns 1 at a time per time_value and no more than total_value in area
08:55 tenplus1 I should really make a better formspec :) but it reads 1 line for all settings :D
08:55 IcyDiamond XD
08:55 tenplus1 mroe for adventure maps, when player is within n blocks, spawn 1 mob... if more than n mobs in area dont bother
08:56 tenplus1 also gives y values for hiding spawner :)
08:56 tenplus1 I use it on Xanadu for the trader pit cause players kill traders and it spawns another, max 2
09:06 IcyDiamond 2018-06-22 12:05:35: WARNING[Server]: active block modifiers took 278ms (longer than 200ms)
09:06 IcyDiamond whats going on with that
09:06 IcyDiamond lmao
09:06 tenplus1 are you using areas mod ?
09:06 IcyDiamond nope
09:06 tenplus1 whic abm ?
09:07 tenplus1 any stats or info ?
09:07 IcyDiamond nope
09:07 tenplus1 what other mods u got running
09:07 IcyDiamond nothing that would have abms in the wild
09:08 IcyDiamond eh whatever
09:09 tenplus1 :P
09:13 IcyDiamond i caught a segfault
09:13 tenplus1 what caused it ?
09:14 IcyDiamond http://termbin.lunasqu.ee/bmp0
09:15 IcyDiamond sfan5: i caught a segfault
09:15 tenplus1 are you using 0.4.17 ?
09:16 IcyDiamond 5.0.0
09:16 tenplus1 ohhhh
09:17 tenplus1 issues with drawing a tree, is it a v6 map ?
09:18 * tenplus1 doesn't know what it all means :PPPP
09:18 IcyDiamond v7
09:18 IcyDiamond something to do with the profiler graph is all i can interpret from it
09:26 rubenwardy IcyDiamond: make sure you label all your ABMs
09:26 tenplus1 o/ ruben
09:26 rubenwardy And then you can see in the profiler
09:27 rubenwardy Although note that ABM performance is like an iceberg
09:27 rubenwardy Most of the time is spent in the engine finding nodes to run ABMs on
09:28 tenplus1 that's why I'm trying to get away from abm's for spawning mobs
09:29 tenplus1 but the globalstep route is just as slow
09:29 rubenwardy ABMs suck
09:29 tenplus1 they do come in handy for some things
09:29 * rubenwardy needs to update his book
09:30 * rubenwardy will also add an optimisation chapter, with instructions on using the profiler
09:30 tenplus1 it's easy enough to switch everything to nodetimers but lbm's would be needed to activate them
09:30 rubenwardy That's fine
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09:37 tenplus1 hi entuland
09:37 entuland hey there tenplus1
09:38 IcyDiamond rubenwardy: I do label my abms but they still don't appear anywhere
09:39 rubenwardy The profiler will tell you how much each takes
09:39 IcyDiamond I don't see it in the profiler
09:44 IcyDiamond in fact i dont see any abms mentioned in it at all
09:49 IcyDiamond am i using it incorrectly or am i blind
10:09 rubenwardy Argh
10:09 rubenwardy > more impressions
10:09 rubenwardy > less ad money (???)
10:10 rubenwardy 15% more impressions
10:10 rubenwardy Yet 33% less money
10:10 tenplus1 ?
10:10 rubenwardy Ads on my site
10:14 tenplus1 ohh, was wondering :p
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10:17 tenplus1 o/ sniper
10:19 * tenplus1 wonders why spiner signs onto irc if his client is never stable
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10:22 tenplus1 ooh, found something that may help with mob spawning: https://github.com/cuberite/cuberite/blob/master/src/MobSpawner.cpp
10:22 tenplus1 hi twoelk
10:22 twoelk o/
10:31 tenplus1 nom time :P
10:39 xerox123 how would I set a node to be luminous using metadata?
10:41 tenplus1 hi xerox, you mean making a ndoe a l ight source?
10:41 IcyDiamond i dont think you can lol
10:41 xerox123 yeah tenplus1
10:41 xerox123 from ingame
10:41 IcyDiamond i hate how pretty much nothing about a nodedef is configurable in metadata
10:42 tenplus1 you cant,... has to be registered that way
10:42 IcyDiamond except for description
10:42 xerox123 oh ok
10:45 rubenwardy you can manually set the param1
10:46 rubenwardy but it'll be reset if there's changes
10:46 rubenwardy also won't spread
10:46 rubenwardy s/you can manually set the param1/make lighting glitches/g
10:46 rubenwardy IcyDiamond: PR pls
10:46 rubenwardy XD
10:46 tenplus1 could always pre register a few items and replace the one you wanna change witha lit one
10:47 rubenwardy that too
10:53 tenplus1 what is it you're trying to do xerox?
10:56 xerox123 someone on ls-w wants their ceiling nodes to be luminous without lights, thought that could be done with metadata
10:57 tenplus1 you could make an airblock that glows with light and hav them place those :)
10:57 BillyS xerox123 detected
10:57 tenplus1 or do what they do in xanadu, lightblocks with half slabs below them that glow :)
10:57 BillyS xerox123: Use maptools:lightbulb
10:57 tenplus1 hi billy :)
10:57 BillyS Basically a glowing air node
10:58 BillyS o/ eleven. :P
10:58 IcyDiamond rubenwardy: I'm too dumb to rewrite a good portion of an engine
10:58 rubenwardy Same
11:00 xerox123 BillyS: yay
11:00 BillyS yay
11:01 sniper570 tenplus1: Ohayo! ;D
11:02 BillyS Hmm
11:02 tenplus1 xerox:  minetest.register_node(":default:glow", {drawtype="airlike",paramtype="light",walkable=false,pointable=false,diggable=false,buildable_to=true,drop="",light_source=14})
11:04 IcyDiamond i've honestly never seen a one line register node before
11:04 tenplus1 ehehe
11:05 IcyDiamond XD
11:05 tenplus1 stairs let light shine through so hidden lamps/torches below a slab floor illuminates everything :)
11:07 tenplus1 speaking of stairs, 0.4.17 has changed dependencies for stairs mod (no longer needs farming) so if you are using farming redo on 0.4.16 check out this:  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9019&p=322451#p322451
11:09 sniper570 tenplus1: actually I never signs on2 irc, it's ma client dat autosigns me in + I never launch ma irc client; it gets autolaunched by ma DE in addition 2 several other apps dat ma OS autostarts which in turn is autoselected wen I press der power button of ma lappy! ʅ(°‿°)ʃ
11:10 sniper570 I only need 2 find a way 2 autopower it wen I come in front of it now! xD
11:10 tenplus1 heh, damn that DE for it's eaase of use
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11:11 tenplus1 hi fussel
11:11 IhrFussel Hey there^^ online from phone :P
11:12 sniper570 tenplus1: Its GNOME 3.28.2, wat do u use btw? :)
11:12 tenplus1 currently IceWM (fast and simple), before that LXDE
11:12 sniper570 Oh very minimalistic! ;D
11:13 IhrFussel IcyDiamond: Are you sure that you use the real profiler? minetest.conf setting profiler.load = true and then in game /profiler save
11:13 IcyDiamond oh lol
11:14 IhrFussel Then you got a new txt file in your world dir "profile*"
11:14 sniper570 I never tried LXDE b4 but did try LXQt albeit kinda buggy wen I tried it last time... :(
11:15 tenplus1 am using neonscwarz theme which is very nice, trisquel theme is good too, comes with gtk3 theme
11:15 longerstaff13 o/
11:15 tenplus1 o/ longer
11:16 sniper570 sounds nice indeed; gona check it out! ;)
11:17 tenplus1 :P
11:19 tenplus1 box-look.org has themes for it, and it's very configurable (has built in cpu/mem/lan/battery graphs)
11:26 xerox123 how do I make it to lightbulb (https://github.com/minetest-mods/maptools/blob/master/nodes.lua#L237) is seen in debug mode like the pusher (right above it)
11:27 xerox123 Ive set the drawtype to nodebox and specified it
11:27 xerox123 and given it tiles = invisible.png
11:27 xerox123 oh shit, nevermind
11:28 xerox123 pointable = false, need to set it true DERP
11:28 xerox123 I thought removing it defaulted to true
11:31 xerox123 this is why you should contact tech support, because you'll figure it out just after you call
11:31 tenplus1 hehe
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11:35 tenplus1 wb
11:40 Fixer ni
11:40 Fixer hi
11:45 rubenwardy Shrubbery
11:45 tenplus1 lol
11:45 tenplus1 was my first thoughts too ruben :D
11:46 IcyDiamond - on_joinplayer[1] ..................................  |     14552 |     14552 |     14552 |  71.3 |  71.3 |  71.3
11:46 IcyDiamond whts up with sfinv
11:46 IcyDiamond why is on_joinplayer like that
11:46 tenplus1 ?
11:46 IcyDiamond 71.3% avg
11:50 rubenwardy creative mode?
11:50 rubenwardy it'll probably be calling the creative mod to make the creative tab
11:51 IcyDiamond k
11:52 rubenwardy the first time you make the creative tab for a player it'll have to create the detached inventory
11:53 twoelk hm, I always use 71% for A4>A5  (because it's close enough to 1/rootof2)
11:54 twoelk probably no connection though
11:54 nineplus2 Hmm
11:55 tenplus1 lol
11:55 tenplus1 still wonder if it's possible to make a decent creative inventory with built in crafting guide
11:56 IcyDiamond ikr
12:00 twoelk why are the existing ones not decent?
12:00 tenplus1 xdecor's crafting guide is pretty good, I like that one
12:03 * twoelk wonders wether the boss notices when he stops calculating the new quote and has a look at some mt stuff
12:22 xerox123 alt+tab
12:22 * xerox123 won't be around much for the next month-ish
12:24 tenplus1 irl duties ?
12:26 xerox123 NCS
12:26 tenplus1 whassat ?
12:27 xerox123 http://www.ncsthechallenge.org/
12:27 tenplus1 ohh
12:27 tenplus1 :P good luck
12:53 IcyDiamond Lol
12:53 twotimes6minus1 :P
12:53 tenplus1 :P
12:53 twotimes5plus1 Meh, too long
12:54 red-001 well I was able to stop minetest from crashing on lua error
12:54 red-001 not sure if the fix is correct
12:54 IcyDiamond Yay
12:55 red-001 feels like something is going wrong and this is just a workaround
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13:07 Krock hi tenplus1
13:07 Krock >> SUPERSPEED <<
13:07 tenplus1 hi krock :)
13:08 tenplus1 testing new mob spawning idea
13:08 Krock nice. using node timers?
13:08 tenplus1 globalstep
13:09 tenplus1 player wanders around and on timer checks surrounding for specific nodes mobs can spawn on, then chooses one at random and tests if it can spawn
13:09 tenplus1 no abm
13:10 Krock not much of an improvement to use find_nodes_in_area over the entire mapblock
13:11 tenplus1 I nkow... abm is the better technique...
13:11 tenplus1 just damn slow
13:17 Sokomine i really need a way to identify my worlds more quickly...they seem to become more and more
13:26 tenplus1 hrm, I see the need for a minetest.find_nodes_in_area_near(pos1, pos1, radius, nodes, neighbors)
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13:29 tenplus1 hi ANAND
13:29 ANAND o/ tenplus1 :)
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14:05 twoelk I tend to drop a info.txt file into my world folders with some worldinfo, usefull coordinates, modversion info and whatever notes I make for that world
14:06 tenplus1 info.txt -- "This world is doomed"
14:06 twoelk yep - filed for destruction
14:06 tenplus1 :P
14:07 twoelk noting issues is always handy as I tend to forget after half a year or so what I experimented on in a world
14:08 twoelk a real problem though is indeed once a world is created I just can't delete it
14:09 twoelk gtg
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14:14 tenplus1 I have the globalstep mob spawning working well, but... it has limitations and i need to add additional checks to supply the same information the abm does... this makes it slower
14:18 tenplus1 :(
14:52 IcyDiamond i think i should make my machines more expensive to craft
14:53 IcyDiamond to prevent abuse i guess
14:53 tenplus1 what do you use for current crafting ?
14:53 IcyDiamond quite cheap materials
14:53 IcyDiamond i think i will add more minerals and add them deeper as well
14:53 tenplus1 ahh, then yeah, make it hard :) if anyone really wants to make them they will persevere :D
14:54 IcyDiamond yeah
14:54 tenplus1 use tin if possible
14:54 tenplus1 or bronze
14:54 IcyDiamond i do have uses for those
14:54 tenplus1 :P
15:00 ThomasMonroe heya tenplus1 :)
15:00 tenplus1 hi thomas :D
15:07 rubenwardy I suggest having intermediates too
15:07 rubenwardy like components or chips or smth
15:07 tenplus1 make it a crafting journey
15:07 IcyDiamond yeah
15:07 IcyDiamond i do have intermediates :)
15:14 Sokomine IcyDiamond: no matter how hard you make it, players will eventually be able to produce large quantities of it. that's a basic mechanism and cannot really be avoided
15:15 IcyDiamond oh well
15:15 Sokomine but it might help if not every new-name-every-join-tablet-player can spam the world with them :-)
15:16 Sokomine i think it works best if a machine does not directly convert time (i.e. energy produced over time) into something else but instead takes matererials the player has gathered and creates something indirectly out of that once
15:17 Sokomine technic machines gathered below spawn to guarantee continued run are not much fun
15:18 IcyDiamond I will make passive energy makers such as solar panels extremely expensive
15:18 red-001 valgrind seems to take issue with mod channels
15:18 IcyDiamond you'll first have to get past fission power :)
15:18 IcyDiamond and that shall be high maintenance as well
15:18 tenplus1 would anyone like to test the new mob spawning api ?
15:22 rubenwardy with variable cost you could make it harder
15:22 IcyDiamond i think i should make some kind of special furnace to smelt iron into steel
15:24 tenplus1 +100
15:24 tenplus1 tiem for noms... back soon
15:24 tenplus1 for anyone who wants to try out new mob spawnin, here's the test api: https://pastebin.com/sqeStX87
15:27 * rubenwardy is looking forward to implementing market costs and such in capgame
15:30 Sokomine requires enough players to actually create a market
15:31 Sokomine if you have sufficient players for that, chat starts to become unusable
15:32 * red-001 wishes someone would implement a currency mod that avoids hyper-inflation
15:33 tenplus1 that's why we use barter :P so much easier
15:33 rubenwardy red-001 I will
15:33 rubenwardy there will be NPC buyers creating a demand
15:34 red-001 tenplus1, it tends to be more of a commondity currency situtation
15:34 red-001 gold, diamonds, food
15:36 tenplus1 I leave that up to the players :D
15:36 red-001 gold in minetest is pretty useless
15:36 red-001 too common for currency
15:36 red-001 too useless for other stuff
15:39 tenplus1 that's why I use it for protectors
15:56 rubenwardy avoiding feedback loops will be fun
15:58 rubenwardy ie: with NPCs trading with NPCs
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16:08 rubenwardy for example, you need to have NPC shops to have an initial supply, and also act as a sink
16:08 rubenwardy these shops would have an initial price, but should vary depending on market value
16:09 rubenwardy obviously being more expensive than player shops usually
16:09 rubenwardy so you need to stop players being able to manipulate their prices by making them sell cheaper than they should
16:09 rubenwardy by selling at a profit
16:10 rubenwardy whilst also not having NPC buyers increasing the price by buying from NPC shops
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16:22 Tenplus1 back :D
16:26 rubenwardy I'll basically have to write a ton of statistic gathering stuff and tweaking knobs
16:27 rubenwardy Tenplus1: wb
16:27 Tenplus1 ta :D
16:33 rubenwardy I'm quite looking forward to implementing graphs of money in bank/assets/safes, and GNP etc
16:33 rubenwardy although realistically no one would play this :'(
16:34 Tenplus1 too realistic :D
16:35 rubenwardy :'(
16:35 rubenwardy the game play is essentially buying land to set up factories and shops, and making deals to obtain resources
16:36 rubenwardy it's also possible to sell shares in your company, so you could end up being kicked out
16:36 Tenplus1 not the sorta thing I'd play in minetest dude
16:36 rubenwardy only if you sell more than >50%
16:37 rubenwardy I'll be promoting this externally anyway
16:37 Tenplus1 :P
16:37 rubenwardy too many people are stuck in the "lets build a house out of cobble and/or wool" mindset
16:37 rubenwardy as a game engine it's a shame how homogenous everythign is
16:37 Tenplus1 that's the fun of it, you build with what you have and after gathering other resources you make it better, or build a new and better one
16:38 Tenplus1 pop by xanadu sometime, many interesting builds :D
16:38 Amaz rubenwardy: I would be very interested in playing that :P
16:39 Tenplus1 o/ amaz
16:39 Amaz Hi ten :)
16:40 Sokomine Tenplus1: that's not the way i do it. i usually collect the materials i want to use first. that also gives time to search for a nice place
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16:41 Tenplus1 hi aerozoic
16:41 aerozoic hi Tenplus1
16:41 Tenplus1 am talking about new players, how they start out in the game :D
16:42 Sokomine rubenwardy: maybe in a limited way. i started citybuilder some time ago. if it ever gets further, it'd allow players to decide where which type of building ought to be. some lightweight economic simulation would also be necessary. however, most of it would depend on mobs running around and giving the player a sufficiently "realistic" feeling of a living village/town
16:43 Sokomine not all new players start with cobble huts. there's just not so much in mt that discourages them
16:43 Tenplus1 how so Sokomine?
16:45 Sokomine what do you mean, ten?
16:45 Tenplus1 "Sokomine: not all new players start with cobble huts. there's just not so much in mt that discourages them"
16:45 Sokomine ah
16:45 Tenplus1 what discouraged them ?
16:46 Sokomine no other players that tell them how bad their huts are and that they ought to create something better than ugly cobble huts
16:46 Tenplus1 lol
16:46 Tenplus1 try building something like that in IceAgeComing's area on Xanadu... you're quickly told it's not on... ahahaha
16:47 Sokomine maybe a new mod that makes cobble huts sink into the ground, ashamed of what they are :-)
16:47 Tenplus1 ahahaha, that'd be fun
16:47 * Sokomine approves of IceAgeComings poicy :-)
16:49 Sokomine hmm. mt source as current master, mtg as current master, yet: attempt to call method 'set_formspec_prepend'
16:52 rubenwardy you're not using current master then
16:52 rubenwardy try recompiling
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16:53 rubenwardy and also making sure you're using the right exe
16:53 Tenplus1 hi gary
16:53 garywhite hi
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16:55 Tenplus1 o/ CWz
16:56 aerozoic I wish servers.minetest.net would let me ctrl+f the player list
16:57 Sokomine just git-pulled. it says it's Minetest 0.5.0-dev-debug-cf0bcebc7
16:59 Sokomine aah. wrong repo
16:59 Sokomine shouldn't use origin when upstream was called for...sorry for the trouble :/
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17:00 Tenplus1 hi Krock
17:00 Krock hi again, Tenplus1
17:02 IcyDiamond how do use replacements in register_craft
17:03 Tenplus1 replacements = { {"bucket:bucket_Water", "bucket:bucket_empty"} }
17:03 IcyDiamond oh
17:03 Tenplus1 item in craft and when crafted the item you want it changed to
17:03 IcyDiamond k thanks
17:03 Tenplus1 :P
17:04 rubenwardy Sokomine: lol
17:04 rubenwardy :'(
17:11 Tenplus1 Krock: wanna try out a test mobs api thsat uses globalstep for spawning instead of the many abm's ?
17:12 Krock Tenplus1, uh well sure, I can profile that for you
17:12 Tenplus1 https://pastebin.com/sqeStX87
17:12 Tenplus1 that's the new api.lua file :P
17:13 Krock oh moment. need to change the git remote
17:13 Tenplus1 :P
17:15 Krock afterwards it'll finally be time to get rid of these deprecated log messages in u_i
17:15 Tenplus1 0.5 will be a fresh beginning, so best to remove deprecated functions and warnings completely anyhoo
17:20 Krock how long does it take until something happens at the beach (sand) or in the cold regions (snow & snowblock)?
17:21 Tenplus1 how'd you mean ?
17:21 Krock well, I'm waiting here for a few minutes but nothing happens
17:22 Tenplus1 oh you waiting for mobs to spawn...  pop near green areas or savannah or desert areas...  globalstep happens every 30 seconds and you'll see in terminal what spawns
17:27 Krock ah. spawning_mobs is an empty table here. investigating more
17:28 Tenplus1 you running mobs api, animals, monsters etc. ?
17:28 Krock I remembered that I needed another mod to add animals just now lol
17:28 Tenplus1 ehehehehe
17:29 Krock Instructions unclear: Minetest purged
17:33 IcyDiamond lol
17:33 Tenplus1 only issue with globalstep spawning is that there's no spawn chance included yet... but finding a node for mob seems rare enough for now
17:34 Krock mobs max globalstep time 22353 µs, but that might've been a single step which took a bit longer
17:35 Tenplus1 it loops through all players and all mobs in that instance, isntead of a separate abm for each mob
17:35 Tenplus1 would have to calculate differences
17:35 Krock average is 92 µs with a trigger interval of 3s (instead of 30)
17:36 Krock seems overall to run better than the "action" function inside the MTG flower spreading ABM
17:36 Tenplus1 the abm or globalstep
17:37 Krock talking about the new, experimental globalstep API rn. switching to ABM to see the differences
17:38 Tenplus1 there's prolly still some tweaks I could do to optimize it, and add a better chance function
17:40 Krock 1.9 ms for the horse spawning ABM alone. Alright, that's surely an improvement
17:41 Krock and for some reason the boost_cart's on_punch callback seems to take much more computing than on_step. I'm surprised
17:42 Tenplus1 does it have to load all the settings from the map ? for each entity
17:42 Krock sorry, what exactly would you like to know?
17:43 Tenplus1 when an entity it unloaded and reloaded, does all it's staticdata get saved to the map ?
17:44 Krock yes, into the mapblock where it's currently located
17:45 Tenplus1 ahh, always wondered about that ... :)
17:46 Krock when you've got fast moving entities and would like to make the mapblock crossing still smooth, then you could use the vmanip to forceload the area :)
17:46 Tenplus1 have you made many changes to boost carts over the 0.4.17 carts mod ?
17:53 Krock Just some quick fixes, also for 5.0.0 which is coming somewhen
17:53 Tenplus1 lol
17:53 Krock maybe it's time to push some of them to MTG
17:53 Tenplus1 gotta check 'em out and test on xanadu
17:53 Tenplus1 added the bed changes (cant dig when someomne already sleepings)
17:54 Krock Well, boost_cart and carts are compatible to each other, but disabling former results in unknown nodes
17:54 Krock and the last update was in May :3
17:54 Tenplus1 will check
18:04 IcyDiamond https://gitlab.icynet.eu/evert/elepower/commit/1a1b3caeaa374f627218feebd735364b6f1a36ff relatively large commit
18:04 Krock +1 / -1 changed lines
18:05 Tenplus1 ooh, interestiung
18:05 Tenplus1 textures to the alloy smelter are really nice
18:08 IcyDiamond i dont know what the pcb recipe should be
18:08 IcyDiamond copper is definitely part of it
18:09 Tenplus1 http://mcmodder.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/steves-carts2-recipes-570x300.jpg
18:09 IcyDiamond lol
18:09 IcyDiamond too simple
18:09 IcyDiamond ::P
18:09 Tenplus1 ehehe
18:17 Tenplus1 quite a few bug fixes in carts it seems, gotta update server mod :PP
18:17 IcyDiamond im also making use of dyes
18:17 IcyDiamond they dont seem to have many uses
18:18 Tenplus1 yeah, too many groups and such...  got 2x pulls waiting to simplify them and wool mod
18:18 IcyDiamond dyes are in mtg
18:19 Tenplus1 yeah, mtg pulls https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/2141 and 2142
18:19 IcyDiamond https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-06-22-21:19:19.png
18:19 IcyDiamond ah ok
18:19 Tenplus1 whats the chances of adding a laser to etch the pcb's
18:20 IcyDiamond it will probably be a machine
18:20 IcyDiamond :P
18:20 IcyDiamond but there must be a simpler way to do it before the player gets to machines
18:20 IcyDiamond control circuits are required in machines
18:20 Krock IcyDiamond, the green part is put on after etching
18:20 Tenplus1 it'll be fun going through the progressions :D
18:21 IcyDiamond Krock: ok but im not making this real life accurate
18:21 Krock and green is just because people think that's how PCBs should look like
18:21 Tenplus1 true
18:21 IcyDiamond games shouldn't be exactly like real life
18:21 Krock but it could also be transparent
18:21 IcyDiamond thats why i added an imaginary metal
18:21 Krock (not like that it would be a standard or anything)
18:22 IcyDiamond and mese crystals are imaginary already
18:22 IcyDiamond XD
18:22 Tenplus1 gotta love that mese :D
18:22 IcyDiamond :D
18:23 IcyDiamond yeah i have it in many recipes
18:23 Tenplus1 same...
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18:28 Tenplus1 hi Darcidride
19:49 rdococ Mycelium refers to the vegetative part of a fungus or fungus-like bacterial colony, but it sounds like it would be a good name for a metal too.
19:52 Tenplus1 hi rdococ :P   a magical metal indeed
19:55 rdococ I had an idea for a sharp crystal that would hurt you if you tried to dig it normally, so you would have to break the node it's attached to instead. However, there would be a twist: The node that the crystal grows on would be rare, and the node would disintegrate when dug as opposed to entering your inventory.
19:56 Tenplus1 interesting
19:57 rdococ The sharp crystal itself, when fully grown, would drop itself and one or more sharp crystal seeds which slowly grow when planted. The result is a crop that's easy to get ahold of, but requires a fragile type of soil or soil-like material that is difficult to get ahold of, and impossible to move from the location you find it in.
19:57 Tenplus1 a node that has to be carefully collected :D
19:58 rdococ Each node of that soil would allow you to grow one crystal, as you have to break the soil and it disintegrates.
20:03 IcyDiamond I wonder if I could stick my power transfer into the on timer of my provider nodes
20:03 Tenplus1 probably
20:03 IcyDiamond I might give it a go
20:03 IcyDiamond Or at least the fluid transfer
20:04 Tenplus1 am gonna move teleport_potion/pad and hopper to nodetimer also
20:04 IcyDiamond The fluid transfer abm is really really bad on the server right now
20:04 Tenplus1 erk, no way to optimize it ?
20:05 IcyDiamond Caching, which I will have to do anyway
20:05 IcyDiamond But I'm moving the fluid transfer to on timer
20:18 Tenplus1 nite folks :D
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22:19 sofar I spent several hours yesterday making sure attributions and copyrights are in order for ITB code release... so much left though :/
22:22 Sokomine sofar: yes, that copyright stuff for even a handful of textures, even with their creators beeing very generous, is still quite a lot of rather annoying work
22:23 rubenwardy well, I personally make sure to track that from the start
22:23 sofar actually I messed up on the sounds, I kept all the originals, but to check I have to listen to all of them, lol
22:23 sofar ITB images are mostly entirely from a public domain texture pack, so that's no big problem
22:24 sofar and I remade every single model as well from scratch
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