Time  Nick          Message
00:53 sofar         the minetest media server is pushing 5gb of data per day atm
00:53 sofar         I'm migrating it to a server with much more BW
02:42 garywhite     sofar: 5GB a day? How many servers' media are hosted there?
03:38 sofar         garywhite: there is no way to tell
03:39 sofar         The Mt media server requests don't set a referrer url
05:29 IcyDiamond    why does the water sound start looping when you sneak in a water source node
06:55 IcyDiamond    !mod elepower
06:55 MinetestBot   IcyDiamond: Could not find anything.
09:15 rubenwardy    my server does 108GB a day, but that includes everything
09:15 rubenwardy    MT server + web server(inc cdb and personal site)
09:16 rubenwardy    oh, that's just upload too
09:16 rubenwardy    (calculated from a 10Mbps average over a month)
10:09 entuland      hey there rubenwardy, I'd have a couple of tweaks to point out about the contentdb side (just typos and stuff like that), how do you prefer me to point them out?
10:09 rubenwardy    probably on the issue tracker
10:09 entuland      okay
10:11 entuland      for anyone knowing about it: I see that the screwdriver is making checks for the "on_rotate" callback, but the lua_api.txt has no trace of such a callback, is it something that the screwdriver adds to the node definition just to let other mods to override its behavior?
10:50 IcyDiamond    entuland: I'd assume so
10:50 entuland      thank IcyDiamond
10:51 entuland      another weird thing is that I tried checking my code against the protector mod and I can still rotate nodes
10:51 entuland      but then, I can do the same with the built-in screwdriver
10:51 entuland      so I guess it's the protector mod's fault
10:52 entuland      it's only preventing me from placing / digging
11:35 IhrFussel     Can someone explain to me why my server's world backup .tar.gz file is MUCH smaller on HDD vs Google Drive? 8.4 GB - 11.1 GB
11:36 IhrFussel     Does Google convert it to another less-compact format before storing or what?
11:42 red-001       maybe google drive stores old versions of a file?
11:42 IhrFussel     No it is definitely just the ONE file I select...
11:43 IhrFussel     8,4G	Backup_20_06_18.tar.gz
11:43 IhrFussel     ^ du -h
11:44 IhrFussel     Typ ZIP-Datei Größe 11 GB (11.938.086.462 Byte) < Google Drive info panel
11:45 IhrFussel     Oh wait
11:45 IhrFussel     Maybe there is something wrong
11:48 red-001       it being a zip file_
11:48 red-001       *?
11:49 IhrFussel     No, it didn't delete the older backup from the storage it seems even though I told it to
11:51 IcyDiamond    lol
12:17 IcyDiamond    how do i prevent on_rightclick from opening a formspec when it does something
12:17 IhrFussel     Now the size difference is still ~ 300 MB ... but that depends on FS used etc I think
12:18 rubenwardy    IcyDiamond: you can't
12:18 IcyDiamond    dammit
12:18 rubenwardy    node formspecs are client-side
12:18 rubenwardy    use show_formspec instead
12:18 IcyDiamond    on punch doesnt have itemstack either
12:18 IcyDiamond    ffffuuuuuuu
12:20 IcyDiamond    welp i guess ill just have to live with it
12:20 IcyDiamond    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
12:21 IcyDiamond    minetest.close_formspec(clicker:get_player_name(), "")
12:22 IcyDiamond    ha-HA!
12:22 IcyDiamond    gotcha
12:22 longerstaff13 o/
12:22 IcyDiamond    hey longerstaff13
12:22 longerstaff13 hello ColdDiamond, hehe
12:22 IcyDiamond    i love cheaty workarounds
12:22 IcyDiamond    :P
12:22 rubenwardy    lol
12:22 red-001       I think my hexchat has a weird japanese locale set or something
12:23 red-001       I see a yen sign in the shrug emote
12:24 IcyDiamond    https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-06-20-15:23:54.png
12:25 * red-001     ¯_(ツ)_/¯
12:25 IcyDiamond    XD
12:28 red-001       https://i.imgur.com/xmvNFwi.png
12:28 IcyDiamond    lmao
12:28 longerstaff13 lol
13:05 IcyDiamond    actually i think i will split my fluid api from elepower and make a drop-in replacement/augment for the default bucket mod
13:05 rubenwardy    nice
13:05 IcyDiamond    yeah lets do that
13:05 IcyDiamond    that seems like a nice idea
13:11 IcyDiamond    well, not all of it, the transfer aspect will stay in elepower
13:11 IcyDiamond    but the fluid buffers and other helper functions are very useful for me
13:11 rubenwardy    I've been having lots of fun with formspecs for companies
13:11 IcyDiamond    and maybe others too
13:11 rubenwardy    like, switching and founding companies
13:11 IcyDiamond    hehe
13:11 rubenwardy    https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/1fc0314e80ddf4528a3cc6524e67a7e0
13:11 rubenwardy    underscore is pretty nice
13:12 rubenwardy    shame that Lua doesn't have map/etc by default, so it can't really optimise it away
13:12 rubenwardy    (there's a few bugs in that gist)
13:12 rubenwardy    btw, since when is `quit` always present in fields
13:15 rubenwardy    I'm gonna have to start looking into networks and mechanics soon though :'(
13:15 entuland      uhm... I'm not allowed to create new posts in the Mod Releases forum section, correct? I need to ask for a Topic Move?
13:16 rubenwardy    create in WIP Mods
13:16 entuland      it's there already
13:16 rubenwardy    then ask for move
13:16 entuland      okay
13:16 entuland      thanks
13:16 rubenwardy    !book releasing
13:16 rubenwardy    needs to be a thing :(
13:16 entuland      :)
13:17 rubenwardy    wouldn't be too hard to make an index.json file
13:17 rubenwardy    then it could just filter on that
13:56 IhrFussel     https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=20324 << I think it's not allowed to put end after else, could that be the problem with that code?
14:02 rubenwardy    it's completely wrong syntax
14:02 rubenwardy    you can't put statements in tables
14:02 rubenwardy    you need to be in function or file scope for that
14:03 rubenwardy    classic mistake for new coders though
14:06 ANAND         o/ Krock
14:06 Krock         hi
14:11 rubenwardy    Krock: I'll be checking out your land ownership mod soon
14:11 rubenwardy    I'd quite like to have a map based one for my economy game
14:11 Krock         o/
14:14 IcyDiamond    https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=20327
14:14 IcyDiamond    it has been done
14:17 entuland      I'll have a shot at replying to Still_Harbor if no one else is already doing it
14:19 * Krock       checks forums
14:20 IcyDiamond    time to change melterns/fluidity into just a mod that adds molten metals
14:21 Krock         entuland, who's that?
14:21 IcyDiamond    eh ill do that later
14:21 entuland      this one Krock: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=20324
14:22 Krock         entuland, ah that one. two other perfect topics can be found in the Problems subforum
14:22 Krock         where I don't even know what they're trying to do at the end
14:23 entuland      I'm still not very used to the forum trees, where is that subforum?
14:23 Krock         https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=6
14:23 Krock         directly found through the main/board index page
14:24 entuland      ah yes I was looking in a subforum already, not used to multiple nesting
14:24 entuland      thanks for the link
14:24 Krock         heh np :)
14:25 entuland      I checked the threads with no replies there but they're all out of my knowledge level, still a long way to go before being useful there
14:52 red-001       can mods now set the timestamp of chat messages?
14:57 rubenwardy    what does that mean?
14:59 red-001       last I checked the new chat packet has the server set the timestamp
14:59 red-001       just wondering if mods can set that for chat messages they send
14:59 rubenwardy    no
15:02 entuland      ah crap I searched for existing issues but somehow the one about the dropdowns slipped past my sight, sorry rubenwardy
15:03 rubenwardy    :)
15:03 IhrFussel     Are there any coding languages that don't have the "scope" stuff?
15:03 entuland      one where everything is global no matter what?
15:03 rubenwardy    not any good ones
15:03 rubenwardy    XD
15:03 entuland      ^ that :P
15:04 rubenwardy    without scope, all variable names would need to be globally unique
15:04 rubenwardy    which is fun
15:04 rubenwardy    also, memory leaks
15:04 rubenwardy    also, info leaks
15:04 entuland      I wonder why you would get rid of such an important encapsulation feature, IhrFussel
15:04 IhrFussel     I see...I thought maybe the guy in the topic ^^^^ comes from one that ignores scope
15:04 entuland      ah
15:04 entuland      sorry
15:04 rubenwardy    no, he obviously hasn't programmed before
15:05 rubenwardy    nothing bad with that, MT's a good place to start
15:05 red-001       ^
15:05 red-001       might not be the best for teaching people scope
15:05 Krock         IhrFussel, ook and brainfuck don't have scropes
15:05 Krock         *scopes
15:06 entuland      weird thing he states "I have tried resolving on my own from prior mods I've done with sound"... I wonder how he got his previous mods working
15:06 red-001       with Lua being global by default
15:06 red-001       entuland, copy and paste and change it till it works?
15:06 entuland      eheheh
15:07 IhrFussel     I just now realized he tries to put the entire code into register_node()
15:09 IhrFussel     Looks like lua allows you to write "else end" but it's unnecessary
15:09 rubenwardy    yeah
15:10 rubenwardy    that's just an empty branch
15:10 rubenwardy    most languages allow that
15:10 rubenwardy    except things like python
15:10 rubenwardy    where there's no closing deliminator
15:37 IcyDiamond    yay! my fluid lib now has fluid tanks
15:37 IcyDiamond    and they have all fluids that register a bucket for themself
15:37 IcyDiamond    they support*
15:37 IcyDiamond    much cleaner API than fluidity
15:37 IcyDiamond    :D
15:38 IcyDiamond    in fact the only api tanks need is fluid_tanks.register_tank
15:39 IcyDiamond    everything else is done by the buffer api
15:40 IcyDiamond    !title https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=20327&p=322178#p322178
15:40 MinetestBot   IcyDiamond: [Mod] Fluid API - Fluid Storage and more! [fluid_lib] - Minetest Forums
15:41 IcyDiamond    owo
15:41 rubenwardy    nice
15:43 IcyDiamond    it should work in pre 5.0 as well, except for the metadata preservation
16:30 ircSparky     hey, can anyone explain how this code calculates if a player1 is behind player2? https://github.com/ac-minetest/thief/blob/master/init.lua#L78
16:30 ircSparky     it seems to have some weird stuff with square roots that im too dumb to inderstand
16:30 ircSparky     and vectors
16:31 ircSparky     which I dont really understand how to use directional vectors either
16:37 Krock         v is the distance of the two players in all axis. vm is the length (shortest way) distance between both
16:37 Krock         after the "if" it's a normal vector, meaning that it's just a direction from player2 to player1, without distance
16:38 ircSparky     ok
16:38 ircSparky     thanks
16:38 Krock         afterwards it's checked whether the distance vector is orthogonal to the look dir (would be == 0 but he added a FOV tolerance of 0.5)
16:40 Krock         so if it's orthogonal to the look direction of player2 or inside the FOV tolerance, then player2 sees players1 -> stealing failed
16:41 Krock         quite clever and efficient way to check for that if you ask me :)
17:02 IcyDiamond    melterns now depends on fluid_lib
17:04 IcyDiamond    damn i wish you could combine nodeboxes and glasslike_framed_optional
17:04 IcyDiamond    glasslikeliquidlevel
17:04 IcyDiamond    then my fluid conduits would show liquid too
17:04 IcyDiamond    XD
17:06 rubenwardy    you'll have to register a few nodes :(
17:10 IcyDiamond    yeah i know, all of the registered tanks with accepts = true have a node for every single registered liquid source
17:10 IcyDiamond    XD
17:10 IcyDiamond    special_tiles needs to be meta-based ;)
17:24 ircSparky     so, how would i make something give double damage if a condition is met (in this case, if the attacker is behind the target)
17:29 ircSparky     was thinking i could just make ti punch twice on_use
17:33 Krock         add a player damage callback, register it as modifier and return the new HP change
17:47 red-001       I wonder could you implement git commit signing in hardware
18:02 Tenplus1      hi folks
18:04 sofar         o/
18:05 entuland      hello there
18:05 Tenplus1      hi sofar, what's new ?
18:05 Tenplus1      hi entuland :)
18:05 entuland      yo
18:05 Tenplus1      Xanadu is now using latest 3d_armor and bags :)
18:05 Krock         hi etn
18:06 Krock         hi Tenplus1
18:06 entuland      Tenplus1, when you have a minute could you give a look at how Protector Redo interacts with the built-in screwdriver of MTG? Nodes can still be rotated regardless of the protected area
18:06 Tenplus1      hey Krock :P
18:06 Krock         >> faster this time <<
18:06 sofar         Tenplus1: I had to move the public remote media server... it was hitting the bandwidth limit lol
18:07 rubenwardy    Tenplus1: I'm at a loss of what to do, as one of your mods has the same name as a mod which is older
18:07 Krock         but it's still the same address?
18:07 rubenwardy    Pie
18:07 Tenplus1      https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/screwdriver/init.lua#L90
18:07 rubenwardy    Is it a fork?
18:07 Tenplus1      which mod ruben ?
18:07 rubenwardy    Pie
18:07 Tenplus1      the older mod only adds 1 pie, my mod adds 6 at last count...
18:07 rubenwardy    Basically I'm wondering which one is used more
18:07 entuland      Tenplus1, yep, that's checking, but I'm not expert in the protection stuff. I just know that I can't place or pull nodes, still I can rotate them
18:08 rubenwardy    I suspect it's yours
18:08 Tenplus1      that line in screwdriver SHOULD check for protection and not allow anything to happen if you dont own the land the block is on ?!?!
18:08 rubenwardy    !mod [pie]
18:08 MinetestBot   rubenwardy: Pie (is not a lie ;) ) [pie] by Mitroman - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9533
18:08 Tenplus1      hi paramat
18:08 entuland      that was my thought, Tenplus1. Still, it fails.
18:09 Tenplus1      weird... gotta receck that, seems to work on xanadu... wil ltest
18:09 entuland      okay, thanks
18:09 Tenplus1      ruben, I could add alias' for apie_0 to apie_3 as pie_0 to 3 already exist in my pie mod... that would make it compatible
18:10 ircSparky     Krock, I should mention that I want to only on my "dagger" tools, so im not sure if that would work. at least not with on_player_hp_change
18:10 IcyDiamond    !mod elepower
18:10 MinetestBot   IcyDiamond: Could not find anything.
18:10 IcyDiamond    :c
18:10 Tenplus1      hi sparcy, diamond :P
18:10 IcyDiamond    Hey Tenplus1
18:10 rubenwardy    Ok, it's fine then
18:10 ircSparky     hi
18:10 entuland      uhm... I've seen that mod in the forums
18:10 rubenwardy    The author isn't around and your topic has more replies and viewa
18:10 entuland      why isn't it finding it?
18:10 rubenwardy    It also has more
18:10 entuland      !mod rhotator
18:10 MinetestBot   entuland: Could not find anything.
18:10 entuland      weird
18:11 entuland      !mod wesh
18:11 MinetestBot   entuland: Woolen Mesh Creator [wesh] by entuland - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=20115
18:11 IcyDiamond    rubenwardy: is !mod list manually managed?
18:11 entuland      backlog of pages to be scanned?
18:11 Krock         > people expecting the mod search engine to be up to date at any point
18:11 entuland      !mod tpad
18:11 MinetestBot   entuland: Teleporter Pads [tpad] by entuland - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=20081
18:11 Krock         the index bot is running right now FYI
18:11 entuland      okay
18:11 IcyDiamond    Butt
18:11 entuland      Head
18:13 Tenplus1      I dont get it, line:90 properly checks for protection for player at that position, if they dont own it then it should return and not rotate... ?!?!?!
18:14 Krock         !mod elepower
18:14 MinetestBot   Krock: Elepower - A new powerful modpack [elepower] by IcyDiamond - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=20320
18:14 Tenplus1      :P
18:14 IcyDiamond    XD
18:15 ircSparky     !mod anticombatlog
18:15 MinetestBot   ircSparky: Could not find anything.
18:15 ircSparky     aw
18:15 IcyDiamond    !mod fluid_lib
18:15 MinetestBot   IcyDiamond: Fluid API - Fluid Storage and more! [fluid_lib] by IcyDiamond - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=20327
18:15 IcyDiamond    :D
18:16 Tenplus1      k, no-one on xanadu can rotate a node that is protected... works fine...  what minetest you using ? and what mods loaded
18:19 aerozoic      Tenplus1, I was given a good suggestion the other day about your mobs monsters
18:19 Tenplus1      ooh do tell ?  also hi :P
18:19 aerozoic      It would be nice to have a way to trap them, like in a jail, without them dying.
18:19 Krock         can someone please make it so the screwdriver also rotates entities?
18:19 aerozoic      lol hi Tenplus1
18:19 Krock         90° angle rotation per click
18:19 sofar         Krock: hahaha, that's a great idea
18:20 Tenplus1      confused monsters :P
18:20 Krock         ^^
18:20 rubenwardy    Totally could not be abused
18:20 rubenwardy    Make sure that it works on players too
18:20 sofar         Krock: and, randomly, you accidentally stab the entity
18:20 sofar         lmao
18:20 Krock         ofc, also meant for players
18:21 Krock         that would add a new PvP mode and defence option
18:21 ircSparky     is it possible to continue doing a normal punch if a condition is met within a tool's on_use?
18:21 Krock         no.
18:21 ircSparky     aw
18:21 Krock         on_use overwrites the regular tool behaviour which is predicted by the client
18:22 rubenwardy    :punch
18:22 Tenplus1      shame you couldnt do a return true/false or whatever to do normal punch as well
18:22 ircSparky     how would i use that with all the predefined tool capabilities?
18:22 Krock         Tenplus1, the client would have to wait for the server
18:22 Krock         that's like a second gap where the player does nothing
18:22 Tenplus1      darn
18:23 ircSparky     are there any damage callbacks that give you the item that was used?
18:24 Tenplus1      mob api's do_punch function for mobs tells you what was used
18:24 Tenplus1      or in hand at time
18:24 ircSparky     ok
18:27 IcyDiamond    damn i really wish formspec image elements could have tooltips
18:27 IcyDiamond    i really need em
18:27 IcyDiamond    XD
18:27 rubenwardy    :(
18:27 IcyDiamond    cuz otherwise theres no way to tell what fluid is in the buffer
18:27 Tenplus1      cant you add a text element that shows buffer item below ?
18:28 rubenwardy    Maybe I could spin that up
18:28 IcyDiamond    meh it wouldn't look as good
18:28 IcyDiamond    melterns does it and i dont like it
18:28 Tenplus1      tooltips would be handy though
18:28 IcyDiamond    can't image[ just have an optional element name property?
18:30 Tenplus1      could always add that after label e.g. button[X,Y;W,H;name;label;tooltip]
18:31 IcyDiamond    why does the function in minetest.after get called twice
18:31 Tenplus1      it does ???
18:32 IcyDiamond    at least for me it does right now
18:32 IcyDiamond    thats weird
18:33 IcyDiamond    maybe because two mods depend on this?
18:33 IcyDiamond    idk lol
18:34 IcyDiamond    i dont understand what the hell is happening here
18:34 Tenplus1      show me code plz
18:34 IcyDiamond    https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-06-20-21:34:39.png
18:35 Krock         FYI: You cannot register nodes like that
18:35 IcyDiamond    oh
18:35 Tenplus1      yeah
18:35 IcyDiamond    dammitttttt
18:35 Tenplus1      tried that before for stairs redo and it didnt work :D
18:35 Krock         move it outside the delay function
18:35 IcyDiamond    i still cant fking do what i want
18:35 Tenplus1      what you trying to do ?
18:36 rubenwardy    Tenplus1: that's my plan
18:36 IcyDiamond    tanks must be registered after the buckets
18:36 IcyDiamond    otherwise there will be no tanks
18:36 Tenplus1      then have tanks depend on buckets mod, it loads that first then you can register tanks
18:37 IcyDiamond    thats what it does
18:37 IcyDiamond    still missing some
18:37 Tenplus1      lemmie check your mod code quick
18:38 Tenplus1      hi benrob
18:38 IcyDiamond    god damn it why can't special_tiles just be metadataaaaaaaa
18:38 IcyDiamond    ughhh
18:38 IcyDiamond    pain in the ass
18:40 IcyDiamond    whatever then
18:40 IcyDiamond    i guess ill just leave some of them unregistered
18:41 benrob0329    Hi Tenplus1
18:41 benrob0329    Feeling capital today?
18:41 IcyDiamond    actually i can just call the tank register after adding buckets lol
18:41 Tenplus1      lolol
18:42 IcyDiamond    wait no i cant
18:42 IcyDiamond    >.>
18:42 IcyDiamond    ok whatever then
18:43 Tenplus1      why doesnt fluid_tanks depend on fluid_lib
18:43 Tenplus1      ?
18:44 IcyDiamond    thats just me assuming that the modified bucket mod is loaded
18:44 IcyDiamond    XD
18:44 IcyDiamond    ill fix it next time i push
18:44 Tenplus1      add that to depends and try to register tanks again
18:45 IcyDiamond    i judt did
18:45 IcyDiamond    just
18:45 Tenplus1      :P
18:45 IcyDiamond    no difference
18:45 Tenplus1      damn
18:47 IcyDiamond    weird that other mod's buckets are registered but not elepower's
18:47 IcyDiamond    before the tanks are that is
18:48 IcyDiamond    yeah melterns fluids are registered just fine
18:50 IcyDiamond    if only you could register in minetest.after
18:50 IcyDiamond    or if special_tiles were metadata-changeable
18:50 IcyDiamond    >.>
18:51 Tenplus1      dont worry dude, am sure you'll figure it out :D
18:51 IcyDiamond    i guess placeholder textures are fine as long as i get the infotext to show what it is
18:52 IcyDiamond    the fluid will still be contained anyway
18:56 rubenwardy    shouldn't be too hard to add tooltip[x,y;w,h;...]
18:56 rubenwardy    doing it now
18:56 IcyDiamond    nice
18:56 Tenplus1      w00t
18:56 rubenwardy    hardest bit is the co-ordinate system
18:56 rubenwardy    but it'll be fiinnneee
18:56 IcyDiamond    haha yeah
18:56 IcyDiamond    just do it in slots
18:56 rubenwardy    essentially it works by hiding the tooltip every tick
18:56 IcyDiamond    like everything else
18:57 rubenwardy    then reshowing it when appliciable
18:57 Tenplus1      would that slow anything down ?
18:57 rubenwardy    so I'd just need to check the cursor position and reshow if there's a region there
18:57 IcyDiamond    at least a little bit of consistency then..
18:57 rubenwardy    that's how it already works, Tenplus1
18:57 Tenplus1      for inventories ?
18:57 rubenwardy    this feature won't have any performance impact if there's no rect tooltips
18:58 rubenwardy    yes, if you're hoving over a slot it shows the tooltip
18:58 Tenplus1      ahh, kewl
19:00 Tenplus1      hi Raven
19:00 Raven262      HI ten
19:03 rubenwardy    so, arch question: will installing THING-git remove THING
19:03 rubenwardy    I doubt it
19:03 Tenplus1      what's thing-git ?
19:03 rubenwardy    a package
19:04 benrob0329    rubenwardy: thing-git from the AUR?
19:05 rubenwardy    yes
19:05 benrob0329    Yes it will remove the standard package
19:05 rubenwardy    cool
19:13 Tenplus1      hi tommy
19:14 IcyDiamond    "laptop ATM"
19:14 IcyDiamond    sounds interesting
19:18 Fixer         Krock: 4gb sdcard?
19:18 Krock         Fixer, microsd card. 8 GB actually, just checked it. Still not too much for a computer :3
19:19 Tenplus1      could edit fstab and move updating to use tmpfs so it downloads packages to memory and isntalls
19:19 Tenplus1      that would help
19:25 IcyDiamond    https://i.lunasqu.ee/Screenshot_18-06-20-22:24:40.png this tree icon looks cute
19:28 * Tenplus1    can remember transferring files via 9-pin serial cable at 152,000 baud
19:31 Tenplus1      wb
19:32 benrob0329    ty
19:35 TommyTreasure hi guys. had yet another summertime power outage that lasted longer than my UPS
19:35 Tenplus1      ouch, is it up and running ok now tommy ?
19:36 TommyTreasure yeah, simple system  doesn't take long to cycle things back to normal
19:36 Tenplus1      how long do you get from your ups ?
19:36 TommyTreasure about 2 hours
19:36 Tenplus1      niice...  only 40 mins here :P
19:37 TommyTreasure this is sort of a diy setup.  i have 4 marine deep cycling batteries in the garage, hooked to an old apc  upc
19:38 Tenplus1      wowser :) I like it :D
19:39 TommyTreasure its one of those things that the engineers and modeling says can't work, but its been doing its job perfectly for almost 10 years
19:39 Tenplus1      ehehe... wouldnt mind one of those tesla batteries for my home
19:39 Tenplus1      wb ruben
19:40 TommyTreasure i've got a small 500Va on my cable modem and wifi router.  they're in a different building
19:42 Tenplus1      would make for a good server :)  took me a while to talk Shinji into getting a UPS for his home/server
19:42 TommyTreasure i haven't hit your new repostitory site yet.  just wondering...  have you updated farming within the last month?
19:42 Tenplus1      yeah, farming redo has been updated with some new features and some nil checks added
19:42 rubenwardy    Test
19:42 rubenwardy    Yay, avatars
19:42 Tenplus1      https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/Farming
19:43 Krock         rubenwardy, huh?
19:43 rubenwardy    This IRC client supports avatars
19:43 Tenplus1      which one you using now ?
19:43 TommyTreasure i think i updated about 8 weeks ago
19:43 rubenwardy    Well, technically I'm not using the irc3 spec but a semistandard using gravatar
19:44 rubenwardy    Irc3 has a proper way of having avatars, but quassel-core doesn't support that yer
19:44 Krock         neither does hexchat afaik
19:44 rubenwardy    Quasseldroid beta Tenplus1
19:44 Tenplus1      lemmie enable avatars on pidgin... wanna see if it works
19:44 TommyTreasure still haven't found a few of the fruits in the wild yet.  and when i grow them via creative, sine produce 'cut grass' when using the sickle
19:45 TommyTreasure sine = some
19:45 TommyTreasure << fat fingers
19:45 Tenplus1      farming.rarety is set to 0.002 so they are rare on the map, but cluster in certain areas :) you can add farming.conf file to mod or world folder and add:  farming.rarety = 0.02 so make them appear more
19:46 Krock         Tenplus1, how can notabug afford to host the repositories? Do you know whether there are paid plans or anything?
19:46 TommyTreasure oh, that much diff?
19:47 TommyTreasure i raised the default to .006.  guess that's still quite rare
19:47 Tenplus1      it uses gogs to self host so prolly someone who really likes opensource hosting it :D
19:48 Krock         hmm
19:48 TommyTreasure at least its not a microsoft product
19:48 Tenplus1      I like how it's laid out, very easy to navigate and fast :D
19:49 TommyTreasure do they offer free for private repos?
19:49 Tenplus1      yes, free private repos
19:50 TommyTreasure cool.  my mods are so heavily edited from default, it would be a good place to store them when (and if) i need assistance
19:50 Tenplus1      definitely worth a look tommy, is also easy to migrate repos from other platforms
19:51 TommyTreasure i haven't given much thought about git or anything else yet.  i just copy my old mods to another local box, before updating them
19:51 Tenplus1      wb paramat
19:53 TommyTreasure i also need to change my game over to use the worldmods directory too.  at least i can run a test system with the same game binary
19:55 TommyTreasure made that mistake when i installed goblins.  started to destroy underground builds.  lucky my backup was only 15 minutes old when i removed it
19:55 Tenplus1      hehehe, they are evil wee shits, but such a funny mod :d
19:55 TommyTreasure i love that mod, but i need to make them much less destructive
19:56 Tenplus1      isnt there a redo version of the mod that lets you disable traps
19:56 Tenplus1      they just mull around and some attack player while others need to be goaded
19:56 TommyTreasure not sure.  i've been too busy reworking my other mobs
19:56 TommyTreasure just installed the prehistoric mod.  that's quite interesting too
19:57 Tenplus1      nice, which dino's did you add ?
19:57 TommyTreasure the ver i got had 12
19:57 TommyTreasure have to clone from fossil
19:57 Tenplus1      the land before time [server]  *cough*
19:57 Tenplus1      been watching yogscast "Sevtech Ages" vids, those are pretty good when ti comes to mod design
19:58 TommyTreasure i had to regenerate some map blocks near player builds, so they could find some fossils though
19:58 TommyTreasure i've got a ton of ideas for mods, but no knowledge of lua to even think about writing one
19:58 Tenplus1      add to mod ideas on forum, someone might pick it up :)
19:59 rubenwardy    src/gui/guiFormSpecMenu.cpp:1669:3: error: ‘irc’ has not been declared
19:59 rubenwardy    irc::core::rect<f32> rect(pos, geom);
19:59 Krock         wat
19:59 rubenwardy    f*#!
19:59 Tenplus1      ?
19:59 Krock         irr instead of irc
19:59 TommyTreasure most of my ideas are in the 'this mod would cool of xxx were added' department
20:00 TommyTreasure that was a combo of fat fingers and fat brain cells.  lol
20:00 rubenwardy    I know
20:00 TommyTreasure would be cool if*
20:01 Tenplus1      a few of my mod ideas are from yogscast :P but will look at those forum threads for new one's
20:01 TommyTreasure any hints regarding harvesting pea pods with a sickle.  i think that's the one that returned cut grass
20:02 Tenplus1      would love to have Shears in default so you can cut and use grass/leaves etc. and digging without would only give you seeds/saplings...  I like this idea
20:02 Tenplus1      can use them for certain crops as well
20:02 Tenplus1      grapes, peapods etc
20:03 TommyTreasure i'm using a version of areas that has the 'open_farming' area.  haven't tried that option yet, but its supposed to allow the admin/area_owner to specify the tool for harvesting
20:03 Tenplus1      so a protected area can use specific tools for normal players to harvest crops ?
20:04 TommyTreasure sub-area.  specified within an already protected area
20:04 Tenplus1      ahh, gotcha...  sounds handy...
20:04 TommyTreasure i think its an obscure version.  same author, but has a few extra options
20:05 Tenplus1      pubic farms on xanadu have protection redo protect above/below crops so only 1 node area can be accessed by all
20:05 Tenplus1      its all about placement :D
20:05 TommyTreasure allows for high limit and a megabuilder priv, so power players can get more and larger areas without giving the area priv
20:06 Tenplus1      fussel was doing tests for abm's that check for protection and having so many areas loaded really slows things down it seems...  must be a way to speed things up there
20:07 TommyTreasure i wish there was a mod that trapped the abm warning messages, so we could tell which mod was causing them
20:08 Tenplus1      yeah, same with serialize.h errors... need a way to discern variables and lines responsible
20:08 TommyTreasure like i said, tons of idea, but lack the know how
20:09 Tenplus1      I like how tinkers tools can be done now on 0.5.0... that will be a great step forward, especially with armor mod and enchants/special abilities
20:11 TommyTreasure i'd probably have to spend months making my current mods/world work with .5
20:11 IhrFussel     Tenplus1, it seems like protection checks take long with 'areas' when you don't pass a name into minetest.is_protected()
20:11 Tenplus1      am eager for 0.5 stable so I can start work on my own as well...
20:12 Tenplus1      ahh, good to know fussel, so general checks... although even if I pass a name it would still have to go through FULL list of areas to check anyhow ? no ?
20:12 paramat       5.0.0
20:12 TommyTreasure i'm even a bit reluctant to upgrade to 04.17
20:12 Tenplus1      am using 0.4.17 on desktop but server still has 0.4.16 for now after crashes
20:13 Tenplus1      still waiting for 0.4.17-1 to become available on downloads for ubu/mint
20:13 TommyTreasure knowing its an impossible task, but would cool to have a 'stand-alone' server version
20:14 Tenplus1      dont you run your server using:   minetest --server "world" to run without gui ?
20:14 TommyTreasure i compiled from source, minetestserver binary
20:15 TommyTreasure besides, its on a slackware box
20:16 TommyTreasure since its on my local network, i use samba to edit conf and mods, and ssh to access cli
20:17 Tenplus1      would love to be able to do that, xanadu is locked away cause shinji doesnt want any way for someone to hack into it :PPP
20:18 TommyTreasure i'm port forwarded, but only for the server and http ports. ssh only from local net
20:18 Tenplus1      would love a raspberry pi3 to make my own mini server and see how I could run it :D
20:19 TommyTreasure i was giving that some thought too, but someone mentioned mt wouldn't run in a cluster
20:19 Tenplus1      shame pi3 doesnt have gigabit ethernet tho... but many pi clones do
20:20 TommyTreasure for a home based server, that's not really a necessity
20:20 TommyTreasure my bottleneck is still my cable modem
20:21 Tenplus1      what speed ya got ?
20:21 TommyTreasure one reason i keep my player base limited with a pre-registration system
20:21 paramat       0.4.17 is safe to use, only bugfixes
20:21 TommyTreasure i'm in the US, and i my area, the best is around 100/20.  i'm holding around 90/15 for the past year
20:22 Tenplus1      still waiting for 0.4.17-1 .deb file on downloads...
20:22 Tenplus1      nice... am on 62/3
20:22 Tenplus1      pah!
20:22 TommyTreasure and even with today's 2 hour power outage, my ip stayed
20:23 Tenplus1      usually disappears after 24 hours to be reused when not connected
20:23 Tenplus1      at least for my isp
20:23 TommyTreasure i manually update my dns when there's a change
20:23 TommyTreasure in the last year, i've only had to do that once
20:24 Tenplus1      stable :P
20:24 TommyTreasure rural area.  not that many cable customers yet
20:25 Tenplus1      give it time, will be updated soon enough... unless you're in Australia... internet ther ejust sucks :P
20:25 TommyTreasure with the new tesla battery facility close by, it won't be long before the population grows though
20:26 Tenplus1      heard good news about tesla battery, sounds like it will stabalise power in many areas
20:26 TommyTreasure the factory here, is for their cars
20:27 Tenplus1      adding one to main city areas to stabalize the power grid would be great tho
20:27 TommyTreasure you know when a rural area starts to grow, when the people in the groc store start coming in with designer shorts, instead of t-shirts and torn jeans
20:28 Tenplus1      hehehe, clothes not bought at Primark :D
20:31 Tenplus1      nite all :) sleepy time for me o///
20:31 TommyTreasure here's another thought for farming.  offer a settings entry for hp multiplier
20:32 TommyTreasure too late.  lol
20:36 xerox123      use !tell
20:49 TommyTreasure more fun when he's in chat.  maybe i'll remember on my next visit.  :)  ty though
20:49 rubenwardy    IcyDiamond: https://i.rubenwardy.com/Rrpjj.png
20:49 rubenwardy    size[4,4]label[0,0;Test!]box[1,1;2,2;#ff0000]tooltip[1,1;2,2;Test tooltip]
20:53 Fixer         minetest 9000, fuck yeah
20:55 rubenwardy    IcyDiamond: #7469
20:55 ShadowBot     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7469 -- Formspecs: Add tooltip element for area by rubenwardy
21:00 paramat       !tell Tenplus1 hi tenplus1
21:00 MinetestBot   paramat: yeah, yeah
21:02 paramat       heh
21:07 ircSparky     is there an easy wat to put an hud (which only is arounf when a player hold RMB) under the existing HUD elements instead of covering them all?
21:20 rubenwardy    garywhite: your avatar makes me uncomfortable
21:21 garywhite     what's wrong with it?
21:22 garywhite     they're incorporating bash into Win10, and apparently now you can download distros through the MS Store, so why not?
21:26 rubenwardy    As I said, uncomfortable
21:28 ircSparky     https://youtu.be/vZUfm2T1Ljk if anyone wants to see the shieldy mod im making
22:10 ircSparky     player:hud_set_flags({crosshair=false}) dosnt seem to work
22:13 rubenwardy    when are you calling it?
22:13 rubenwardy    does adding a minetest.after help?
22:14 ircSparky     on joinplayer, lemme see, i have a hard time doing afters the first try
22:16 ircSparky     yea it does help
22:18 Fixer         rubenwardy: link to avatar?
22:19 rubenwardy    Not sure how
22:20 rubenwardy    It's a Linux penguin in front of the windows xp logo
22:34 Fixer         rubenwardy: loool
22:35 Fixer         rubenwardy: linux xp
22:35 Fixer         rubenwardy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_XP