Time Nick Message 00:09 paramat afaik it's ok for water because that is a different Irrlicht 'material' or something .. 00:09 paramat still buggy for water though in some situations 01:28 rdococ https://venturebeat.com/2018/04/06/why-and-how-gitlab-abandoned-microsoft-azure-for-google-cloud/ 01:29 rdococ (disclaimer: source has unknown reliability) 01:30 ANAND Bitter-sweet rivalry :) 01:31 rdococ I also found this: https://savannah.nongnu.org/ 01:31 rdococ Also, https://github.com/upend/IF_MS_BUYS_GITHUB_IMMA_OUT exploded in popularity 01:33 rdococ https://git.scuttlebot.io/ appears to be a decentralized github alternative, unsure though 01:40 rdococ This seems of interest: https://peers.community/ 02:00 Jordach lmaoooooo 02:00 Jordach satya's microsoft != ballmer's microsoft 02:02 benrob0329 rdococ: you do realize that scuttlebutt doesn't support multiple devices, right? 02:02 benrob0329 and if you loose your profile you're done 02:02 rdococ again, unsure 02:02 benrob0329 I'd just self-host Git if I was that worried 02:02 rdococ Jordach: We have no idea what satya will do, I wasn't even aware of a change in CEO 02:03 Jordach rdococ: satya loves the cloud and open source 02:03 Jordach it's why microsoft has gone azure instead of windows focused under ballmer 02:03 Jordach hell, ms' build tools are crazy these days 02:04 rdococ Jordach: windows 10 makes me skeptical 02:04 rdococ well, it's not just that ofc 02:04 Jordach rdococ: when in rome, do as the googlers do 02:04 rdococ I don't use google but okay 02:04 Jordach you still get the idea 02:04 rdococ "Satya is the Sanskrit word for truth." 02:08 Jordach rdococ: yet Windows Subsystem for Linux 02:09 Jordach you can run Ubuntu or Red Hat inside windows natively, and have instant bash 02:10 rdococ I need a more up to date source of news, lol 02:10 Jordach less phoronix then 02:10 Jordach :^) 02:12 rdococ I checked, nadella was CEO when MS acquired YKW 02:12 rdococ it was his first major acquisition as CEO too 02:12 rdococ I wonder if he'll eventually release it as OSS 05:10 nerzhul Fixer, issues are shown only if you are logged in on gitlab (same for PR) 05:11 nerzhul i changed the settings now to make it public if you don't want to login, they are old but it's an example 12:50 Krock well, it's evolving: https://i.imgur.com/Ppx2l9Z.png 12:51 nerzhul nice, you can make money if you make bread on trees :D 12:51 nerzhul what is that ? 12:52 Krock that's stapled bread .. on a tree. nothing special 12:54 nerzhul it's a new core engine feature, a bug or a mod ? 12:58 Krock a new core feature of course. 0.6.0-dev only. lol, no. it's just a fun mod 14:16 rdococ Krock: bread is a staple food of some particular cultures ;) 14:32 cx384 I just noticed Microsoft acquired GitHub. :'( 14:36 rdococ Yay, I can see your private repos! 15:05 Fixer HOOOOLD ONNNN TOOO IITTT #vaporwave #github 15:51 BillyS Is there some way to make node metadata be preserved even when the node is broken? 15:52 rdococ swap_node? 15:52 BillyS Ah, the "preserve_metadata" callbakc is what I'm looking for 15:52 BillyS *callback 15:59 * rdococ calls BillyS back 16:02 BillyS yay 16:02 * BillyS says yay and bounces off again 16:02 * rdococ yays, turning BillyS into a yay 16:03 * BillyS fiddles with os.date 16:03 * rdococ glitches lua and accidentally acquires it 16:06 BillyS rdococ, what does get_meta return on failure? 16:07 BillyS nil, I suppose 16:07 * rdococ gives BillyS the holy book of lua_api.txt 16:08 BillyS heh 16:08 rdococ "And c55 said, "let there be nodes."" 16:08 Krock BillyS, which meta? player or node? 16:09 Krock or itemstack? 16:10 BillyS I got confused 16:10 BillyS Krock: I was actaully taking about meta:get_string() 16:10 Krock the player meta returns nil. itemstack will throw an error (either Lua or segfault). and the node meta always returns something 16:11 Krock ah. yes, string returns empty string. 16:11 BillyS I thought so. thx. 16:13 BillyS Hmm . . does the "preserve_metadata" callback only work on later versions of minetest? 16:13 Krock check git blame 16:14 Krock #6604 Dec 2017 16:14 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6604 -- Preserve node metadata as item metadata. by ashtrayoz 16:14 BillyS So, thats a yes. (I think( 16:14 BillyS *) 16:14 BillyS rats, 16:15 Krock that a yesn't because it's already contained in Minetest 0.5.0-dev 16:15 BillyS Hmm 16:15 rdococ yesn't is another word for no 16:15 Krock consider bookmarking the stable-0.4 version of the lua_api.txt file when you're targetting on 0.4.x compat 16:16 rdococ it's basically "not yes" 16:16 BillyS That's . . . problomatic 16:16 Krock rdococ, yes. 16:16 BillyS I'm trying to make a node which preserves its infotext 16:16 BillyS But apparently that it's possible (yet) 16:17 BillyS Not without some "hacks" 16:18 * rdococ hacks the yay, and yays 16:19 BillyS Maybe I could do some horrific thing involving player metadata 16:19 Krock BillyS, you can still adapt that 0.5.0-dev change into your mod by changing the core.node_dig() function 16:20 BillyS Erm, how do I do that? xD 16:21 rdococ a "0.5.0 hax" mod for 0.4.17 to incorporate some 0.5.0-dev features very hackily 16:21 rdococ would be cool... I think 16:22 Krock rdococ, would be awful to maintain .... I think 16:22 BillyS Well, the server is being hosted by DI3, but I'm not sure what MT version he uses 16:23 BillyS Ah, I found the core.node_dig function 17:21 rdococ I'm kinda sad that the minetest repo wasn't moved to notabug.org... 17:26 xerox123 I'll believe the need to change when something breaks with github, until then it's pointless imo 17:27 BillyS ^ 17:27 BillyS Minetest is open-source anyways, so who cares if Megastupid gets it? 17:28 rdococ Microsoft does have a large incentive not to fuck up GitHub (otherwise even more people will flee from it, resulting in hopefully less profit) 17:33 rdococ also, people aren't just leaving due to Microsoft... 17:42 rdococ HueMans 18:29 rdococ I remember my idea of an ingame cryptocurrency 18:49 Fixer lol, $5 18:49 shivajiva github lost $66 million last quarter and has never turned a profit, this is about pr and what it brings to azure afaik 18:49 Fixer shivajiva: source? 18:50 Fixer shivajiva: their finstatements are closed from public 18:50 shivajiva all businesses have to file, let me see if I can find the source article 18:54 shivajiva https://thenextweb.com/dd/2018/06/04/what-github-and-microsoft-have-to-gain-from-the-acquisition/ 18:54 shivajiva seems I'm mistaken it was the first 9 months of 2016 they lost $66 million 18:55 shivajiva but I don't believe they have turned a dime of profit since then 18:56 Fixer shivajiva: seems like they are private entity that do not disclose that info, 66 million was a leak, there is only speculations about their revenues/profits 18:57 shivajiva as with all businesses a small fee will get you the filed accounts 18:58 shivajiva duty of care means investors need to see how the business is performing 19:02 Fixer " privately held companies are not generally required to publish their financial statements" (for US according to wikipedia) 19:11 shivajiva yea, I can't see a way to acquire their tax returns either so only leaked info as the source as you pointed out 19:13 shivajiva Fixer: do you believe they have turned a profit? 19:13 Fixer no idea 19:14 Fixer i have not researched it, i will let someone do it :} 19:15 Fixer shivajiva: MS probably needs to disclose the figures, but not sure if github will be listed as separate department 19:18 shivajiva Fixer: depends how they are required to list losses lmao 19:19 Fixer i mean their yearly statements 19:19 Fixer or quarterly 19:19 shivajiva I know, I was being facetious ;) 19:20 longerstaff13 o/ 19:20 shivajiva Hi longer 19:20 longerstaff13 Ello shiva, long time no speak 19:20 rdococ Helloyays. 19:21 longerstaff13 Hi rdococ 19:21 shivajiva you never write, you never call... :D 19:57 rubenwardy why doesn't gitlab allow you to only import repos on your own repo 19:57 rubenwardy rather than all that you have write to 19:57 rubenwardy this is silly 19:58 rdococ rubenwardyay 19:59 rubenwardy :PO 19:59 rubenwardy clicked all of them individually 19:59 rubenwardy it also doesn't sync the public/private status 20:00 rdococ hm, it'd be fun to have a procedurally generated game 20:12 Fixer rdococ: roguelike minetest game 20:12 Fixer but without some attributes, like step-like moves 20:12 rdococ I'm working on a simple specification for procedural ore *type* generation 20:12 rdococ some ores would make good swords, some good pickaxes 20:12 Fixer sigh 20:14 Fixer it is like someone waits to force me to learn that lua that I don't want to learn and make that builder friendly wands mod 20:14 Fixer with visualisation via entities 20:15 rubenwardy L E A R N I T 20:15 rdococ I think I have a memory problem 20:16 rdococ I'd do more lua but my keyboard is partially broken so I have to keep some letters (n and b) in the clipboard to type well 20:16 Fixer don't get me wrong, programming can be fun, but ones I do smth I then... never finish apart from writing a test function in python 20:17 Fixer i can reuse some code though, to move faster 20:17 Fixer 1) chunk visualisator 2) builder wands (replacer wands too) 20:18 Fixer maybe some year 20:19 Fixer good thing people finally started to code some AE-like mods 20:19 Fixer minetest handling of storage is not horrible, it is very horrible 20:19 rdococ AE> 20:19 rdococ ? 20:21 rdococ I'd like some form of procedurally generated technology where, rather than set progression stages such as circuitry, each world would have its own research tree 20:22 Fixer applied energistics 20:22 Fixer stuff like hard discs, terminals, crafting gruids, pipes, moving items 20:22 Fixer very good stuff 20:22 rdococ rubenwardy: you need a stone cutter to make a stone cutter, how will that work out in capitalism_game? 20:22 Fixer accessing blocks 20:22 rubenwardy \o/ 20:23 rubenwardy undecided 20:23 rdococ to be honest I like the idea of a game element you start with one of, and must replicate to get more 20:24 rdococ maybe there should be a tedious, slow way to get a stone cutter that doesn't need one, then you can use it to speed up the process 20:24 rdococ not too tedious, though. actually I really like this idea of "slow way to get something first, then you can speed it up (and eventually automate it)" 20:28 rubenwardy my idea is they would buy them from shops 20:28 rubenwardy but maybe is should be possible but very expensive to make it another way 20:31 rdococ stock_market mod :P 20:50 rubenwardy argh 20:50 rubenwardy need some fancy issue tracker for contentdb 20:50 rubenwardy automatically makes issues on an error, links multiple instances of the same error together 20:50 rubenwardy similar to crashlytics 21:01 IhrFussel What happens when I set those 2 settings different? Like active_block_range = 1 active_object_send_range_blocks = 2 21:04 rubenwardy The MTBI will knock down your door 21:07 rdococ ā 21:08 IhrFussel I mean will the first/second overwrite the other one? 21:21 rdococ I want to create something like a "totem of undying", but if I use a hp change modifier to do it then it might get a non-final modifier and thinks you're going to die when you don't 21:22 rdococ and if I use a normal callback the death screen pops up before it can intervene 21:30 aerozoic O_O M$ is acquiring github? 21:31 * aerozoic starts looking for a new git host 21:31 rubenwardy gitlab.com seems to be a good choice 21:31 rdococ there's gitlab... there's also notabug 21:31 rubenwardy expect that it's by a company 21:31 rubenwardy instead there's notabug.org 21:31 rubenwardy it's ran by some foss advercates 21:31 rubenwardy *advocates 21:31 rubenwardy I don't really trust them with my code though, I'd rather self host 21:33 nerzhul yeah gogs is nice for selfhost only currently, not for a big and serious project, like MT 21:33 nerzhul if debian and gnome choose gitlab CE it's not without good reason and study 21:33 nerzhul and we already have build pipelines for MT on gitlab :) 21:35 rubenwardy gitlab is better than I remembered 21:35 rubenwardy guess that's development for you 21:36 nerzhul gitlab release a version per month 21:36 nerzhul whereas GH releases when they want and it's generally 1 per 3 months 21:36 nerzhul gitlab changelog is clear , GH is just dicsover it by yourself 21:36 nerzhul they added a issue template menu on GH, but i never see a communication about this 21:36 * rubenwardy just used try/finally for the first time 21:36 rubenwardy feel like I'm doing something wrong 21:37 nerzhul see that: https://github.com/ansible/ansible/issues/new/choose 21:37 nerzhul they never communicate about this user menu 21:37 nerzhul (which use the .github in the repo 21:53 tumeninodes strange thing I notice after upgrade to 0.4.17, inner and outer stairs are not in the inv or in the code but, the models are in the models folder. did I miss something? they were merged quite a while ago 21:59 tumeninodes or, are they only going in for 0.5.0? I'm a bit confused here 22:42 lisac https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/8oud82/gitlab_ultimate_and_gold_now_free_for_education/ 22:46 paramat in the MTG backports branch the stairs mod only has the 'stair' model, no others 22:46 paramat tumeninodes 22:47 paramat in 0.5dev the models have been removed, we now use nodeboxes instead for all 22:47 paramat maybe a mistake in the build you use? 22:57 tumeninodes hmmm IDK, I updated to 0.4.17 and there are no inner or outer at all in inventory or the code but, the models are in the models folder. on my 0.5.0 build in another directory the inner and outer stairs are there 23:01 paramat but where did you get your 0.4.17 from? the code in the repo differs from what you have 23:02 tumeninodes i just updated via linux mint repo 23:06 tumeninodes strange the obsidian glass pane does not seem to be in this build either. this is quite odd 23:06 tumeninodes seems some things in the update to the repo may have gotten messed up somehow 23:08 tumeninodes yep, no obsidian xpanes, yet the texture for obsidian edge is there, but no others we worked on 23:08 tumeninodes and obsidian glass pane does not exist in code or inv 23:11 tumeninodes ... and the desert cobble is back to the orig pink morter colour. haha... wtf? 23:12 tumeninodes sum-ting-wong 23:33 * benrob0329 does not trust MS still, but feels a knee-jerk move would be a bad idea 23:33 benrob0329 its also funny seeing all the Memes on Masto about this 23:34 * rdococ runs from MS screaming 23:34 tumeninodes just set youself up with a backup plan that's all. and continue to use github unless some drastic changes make that a non-option 23:34 paramat mint repo probably has 0.4.16 stable or earlier 23:34 benrob0329 I moved most of my stuff (the little I have) to Gitlab anyways a while ago 23:35 benrob0329 found them to be a better platform, but I'd probably self-host in the future 23:35 rubenwardy CDB no longer treats github specially (except OAuth2) - any git repo will allow importing of meta, screenshots, and releases now 23:36 rubenwardy there's also a [Create] link on topics on your profile page, allowing you to easily add packages from forum topics 23:36 * benrob0329 "oh dang"s KDE's update menu in the systray, it doesn't require any extra app to open (On OpenSUSE anyways) 23:38 tumeninodes when did you switch to OpenSuse?? eeeeek 23:40 benrob0329 Because it seems the least broken (not lacking packages) 23:40 tumeninodes :/ 23:41 benrob0329 I mean, Kubuntu ships Akregator that segmentation faults on starup 23:41 benrob0329 and Debian is just old enough to lack features I need in stuff, while Testing is just new enough to break CUDA 23:41 benrob0329 'SUSE seems like a nice mix, currently running tumbleweed 23:42 tumeninodes it does seem some of the spins of main distros have been lacking/slacking as of late