Time Nick Message 00:07 paramat yes use 'get node light' if you want switching to depend on light level 00:09 paramat 0 = complete darkness, 15 = direct sunlight (open to sky) just choose a threshold 00:11 paramat oh but 00:11 paramat the light will prevent darkness, duh 00:12 paramat use time of day 00:13 tumeninodes ok paramat, I'll try that. Thank you 00:18 tumeninodes wait, you mean minetest.get_timeofday right? 00:31 paramat i think so 00:32 tumeninodes I'm trying it now. No luck so far, although I have to know how to implement it. minetest.get_timeofday{ then it's a matter of how to set that time :P 00:32 tumeninodes wiki explanations are so..., vague 00:36 paramat 0 is midnight, 0.5 midday, 0.999 just before midnight 00:37 paramat daylight would be roughly 0.25 to 0.75 00:37 paramat i would use an ABM interval of around 30s 00:38 tumeninodes ohhhh, wait... ok I wiped the abm, and just tried using only get timeofday xP 00:39 tumeninodes I'm so useless :D 00:39 paramat then the ABM action would be: local tod = minetest.get_timeofday(), if (light off) and (tod between 0.25 and 0.75) then (turn on) ... 00:40 paramat aha that would have run only once at mod load time 00:42 tumeninodes ok, I still have 0 idea how to put that in code : / dang it 00:43 tumeninodes right now I have the action as action = function(pos) minetest.swap_node(pos, {name = "sw_lighting:streetlamp_on"}) 00:44 tumeninodes *{name = "sw_lighting:streetlamp_on}) 00:45 tumeninodes woops nvm 00:47 tumeninodes local can be added after function, yes? 00:47 paramat yes the ABM action is a function so can be any code 00:48 paramat 'swap node' would be done where i write (turn on) 00:48 tumeninodes ok starting to make some sense now 00:50 paramat where i wrote '(tod between 0.25 and 0.75) then (turn on)' got that the wrong way around 00:54 paramat local tod = minetest.get_timeofday() 00:54 paramat if (off light) and (tod < 0.25 or tod > 0.75) then (swap to on light) 00:55 paramat if (on light) and (tod > 0.25 and tod < 0.75) then (swap to off light) 00:55 tumeninodes ok trying that, let me see if I can set it up correctly in the code 01:01 paramat the ABM will provide the node it is acting on as 'node' 01:02 paramat i would use 'chance = 1' 01:06 tumeninodes https://0bin.net/paste/sl6O6yBFXN-OhUN7#Dxd3FYUgz3QGMZa4N8kUgAwIb9GRFcr1pqPYYUXGlr0 trying to figure out what I have wrong so far, keep getting errors and trying to guess at fixes 01:09 tumeninodes dang it, I have to scoot soon. have to go pick up my kid from his brother's :/. I apologize, I hate when I have to skip out when someone is being kind enough to take time to help 01:13 tumeninodes looking at that old magic lantern mod, my style is so off. I have to do this all over, it's not only horrible looking but wrong :P I'll play with this more tomorrow 01:13 tumeninodes thank you for the help paramat. I'll poke you tomorrow after I make more of a mess of it all :D 01:25 paramat no problem 01:26 paramat will leave some advice here for you to see later 01:33 paramat in the ABM: use a non-zero interval. the 'action' line should be: 'action = function(pos, node)'. first conditional should be: 'if node.name = "sw_lighting:streetlamp_off" and (tod < 0.25 or tod > 0.75) then (swap to on light)'. second conditional the opposite of that 02:31 paramat and 'nodenames = {}' should contain both light nodes 03:04 tumeninodes Thank you paramat. I just got back, left without logging out. 04:44 sofar ses12 launch live t-30s 05:33 sofar huh, 128gb of data usage on minetestmedia.foo-projects.org 05:33 sofar something changed significantly 05:50 sofar hmmm, at this pace I'll move it away from AWS 06:03 * sofar tries to figure out what's happening with goaccess.io, which looks really useful 07:02 lisac hey, I updated #7008 07:02 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7008 -- [WIP] Allow CSMs to register a function on keypress by lisacvuk 07:29 tenplus1 hi folks 07:51 lisac hey tenplus1 07:51 tenplus1 hi lisac 07:54 tenplus1 is Minetest moving to gitlab ? 08:13 lumberJ heh, hey tenplus1 08:13 lumberJ hey lisac 08:13 tenplus1 hi lumberJ 08:13 lisac tenplus1: IMO is should 08:13 lisac hey lumberJ 08:13 tenplus1 github wouldnt feel the same after microballs takes it over 08:14 lisac FOSS projects probably shouldn't depend on a commercial platform, anyway 08:19 Shara Hi all 08:19 tenplus1 hi shara 08:19 lumberJ Hi Shara 08:19 Amaz Hello :) 08:19 tenplus1 lisac: yeah, I wouldnt trust them not to mess around with mt code 08:19 tenplus1 hi amaz 08:19 lumberJ and Amaz 08:19 Shara I may have spent some time last night trying to recall accounts on whatever github alternatives I've ever used :) 08:19 Shara Hi Ten, lumberJ, Amaz :) 08:21 tenplus1 I tested gitlab, worked but is a pain to use 08:22 Shara I found out I had an old bitbucket account with code I thought I'd lost. :D 08:23 Amaz notabug.org seems to be quite nice, only problem is that it isn't very mainstream... 08:25 tenplus1 notabug looks pretty good 08:28 lisac do you think we can maybe selfhost a repo? 08:28 lisac instead of using another site? 08:29 tenplus1 allthingsminetest.net 08:29 ANAND Interesting idea actually... :) 08:31 VanessaE fwiw, I am going to be deleting all my github repos soon. moving to gitlab. 08:31 tenplus1 hi Vanessa 08:31 VanessaE hi 08:31 ANAND VanessaE, that's a big move... What if MS doesn't end up acquiring GitHub? 08:32 VanessaE too late. 08:32 tenplus1 they have 08:32 VanessaE they're already doing it. 08:32 tenplus1 monday is the official date of sale 08:32 tenplus1 today 08:32 ANAND :_( 08:35 tenplus1 gotta find out which git-clone is the best to use 08:39 tenplus1 https://alternativeto.net/software/github/ 08:40 tenplus1 sooo many to choose from, it boggles 08:41 ANAND Gitlab seems to be the most popular among them all 08:41 tenplus1 true, but the interface is crappy 08:41 ANAND I see 08:45 tenplus1 and it quite slow 08:48 VanessaE slow because they're getting beaten all to hell by bandwidth, tenplus1 08:48 VanessaE https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzg9vc5oljr8lin/Screenshot%202018-06-03%2015.52.52.png?dl=0 08:49 ANAND Hah 08:49 ANAND Haha* 08:49 tenplus1 good point, many ppl will be moving across to gitlab cause of the M$ thing 08:49 VanessaE yup 08:49 ANAND Agreed 08:55 ANAND The layout is indeed very different, but the all the features from GitHub can be seen here too... 08:56 ANAND Quite a few extras too 09:08 tenplus1 wn andro 09:11 IhrFussel Hi guys ... tenplus1 this should be compatible with the monsters in Mobs Redo correct? https://pastebin.com/gtMe0Pt1 09:11 tenplus1 hi fussel 09:11 tenplus1 you dont have to do a health check, the environmental check does that automatically 09:11 tenplus1 just gotta do the -5 part 09:12 tenplus1 also function si called do_punch 09:12 IhrFussel No I mean this is another object not part of mobs...but the mobs use punch() normally on attached entities so it should decrease right? 09:14 IhrFussel My problem is no matter how long a mob "punches" ht entity it doesn't get removed 09:14 IhrFussel the* 09:14 tenplus1 oh right... gotcha... yeah self.health handles health and if <=0 will automatically be removed by api 09:15 tenplus1 the entity being another mob ? 09:15 tenplus1 using redo api ? 09:16 IhrFussel Nope, but I also added health to cars before and it works there... I have to add health to all sorts of objects to prevent players from cheating the system 09:17 tenplus1 explain exactly what you are trying to do 09:18 IhrFussel I simply gave a certain entity, that a player can attach to, a health value in its registration and use the on_punch() from the pastebin ... I'll log if the callback gets even called 09:19 tenplus1 and you want a mob to attack that entity ? 09:19 IhrFussel Wait do I have to return something in on_punch() 09:19 tenplus1 hold on, I changed boats mod so taht mobs attack the boat and break it if a player is using it 09:19 IhrFussel 2018-06-04 11:19:13: ACTION[Server]: LuaEntitySAO at (-200.457,1.5,-2670.86) punched by LuaEntitySAO at (-200.524,2.5,-2669.97), damage 1 hp, health now 9 hp 09:20 IhrFussel The engine ignores my -5 it seems 09:21 IhrFussel It always goes 9,8,9,8,9,8,9,8,9,8,9,8,9,8,9,8 etc 09:21 tenplus1 you gotta set hp_max for that entity and use proper punch/health functions 09:22 tenplus1 local health = self.object:get_hp() ; self.object:set_hp(health - 5) 09:26 tenplus1 I only use self.health for mobs so I can control every aspect of the mob including death, for normal entities set/get_hp works ok and removed entity when dead and detatches player on death 10:21 tenplus1 wb thomas 10:31 VanessaE sofar: *poke* 11:00 tenplus1 o/ fixer 11:00 Fixer hi 12:03 tenplus1 are the 0.4.17 binaries available now for linux ? can only see windows 12:05 tenplus1 wb longer 12:05 longerstaff13 Ty 11 12:18 tenplus1 hi Krock 12:18 Krock hi tenplus1 12:18 tenplus1 which git replacement you moving to ? 12:19 Krock is it sold yet? 12:19 tenplus1 yup 12:19 tenplus1 todya's the day 12:19 Krock wth microsoft 12:20 Krock 5M$ according to unlisted, unconfirmed "experts" 12:29 tenplus1 I kinda like notabug.org cause it's a member of the same peers community that minetest is :D 12:30 nerzhul tenplus1 no replacement yet, we will see what happen, and maybe open a community discussion about the git repo, but for me the only valuable replacement is gitlab 12:31 tenplus1 why specifically gitlab ? 12:32 tenplus1 even their front page puts me off, all about the product, not the code... whereas other git clones let you surf repo's and code right off the bat 12:34 Fixer take it easy 12:35 Fixer it is not like they are gonna kill that golden goose 12:35 tenplus1 lol 12:38 nerzhul tenplus1 CI/CD, deployments, better issue tracking, timetracking, better issue boards (based on labels), containers registry (if we want to provide official docker builds for MT servers) 12:38 nerzhul the only missing feature is edit downstream projects when a PR is opened 12:40 tenplus1 checking 12:41 nerzhul https://gitlab.com/minetest/minetest 12:41 nerzhul look at this 12:41 nerzhul we also have MT daily package build on it sine a long time 12:41 nerzhul https://gitlab.com/minetest/minetest/pipelines 12:42 nerzhul click on the cloud and download the package you want on each master commit :) 12:43 tenplus1 how to view issues and pulls? 12:44 nerzhul it's disabled on gitlab because it's just a GH mirror 12:44 nerzhul but i can re-enable it if you want to see 12:44 nerzhul if i can login :D 12:44 tenplus1 I'd say that's an important thing to have shown by default... 12:45 nerzhul it's disable to prevent lost users to open PR or issues on the RO/clone 12:45 tenplus1 ah k, gotcha 12:47 nerzhul roh the whole gitlab is down, the github stress test on the gitlab infra is quite huge :p 12:47 xerox123_ Afternoon all 12:48 tenplus1 hi xerox 12:48 nerzhul tenplus1, i forgot to disable it on mtg 12:48 nerzhul look 12:48 nerzhul https://gitlab.com/minetest/minetest_game 12:49 xerox123_ Over to gitlab with everything? 12:49 tenplus1 https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/mobs 12:49 nerzhul you will note i own many PR it's because the importer didn't found a user and attached it to the import user 12:50 nerzhul ah also, on gitlab you have an interesting review feature you can annotate each PR part and when the PR owner has fixed it it can be noted as "resolved" 12:50 Krock tenplus1, you could've simply add another remote in git to push it to the new repo at notabug 12:50 nerzhul and you ahve review conversations 12:51 Krock nvm, git skills lol 12:51 tenplus1 :P 12:52 xerox123_ What even are the implications of this acquisition? 12:52 xerox123_ I feel this is a bit of an overreaction 12:52 tenplus1 give it time... microsoft will mess it up like they do most other things 12:52 tenplus1 and they already have beef with minetest existing 12:54 rdococ they've noticed minetest? 12:55 tenplus1 o/ rdococ 12:56 Krock open source can't die. let's see what M$ does before moving over to other services 12:56 xerox123_ ^ 12:56 tenplus1 :P 12:56 xerox123_ I'll believe the need to change when I see it 12:56 rdococ tenplus1: how do you know they have a beef with minetest existing? 12:57 rdococ (not that it seems unlikely, but would like to see more info on it) 12:57 tenplus1 it was mentioned before 12:57 Fixer tenplus1: can't you import in a better way? to preserve history, bugs, etc 12:57 Fixer issues 12:57 xerox123_ Add a remote like krock said 12:57 tenplus1 tried adding remote origin, wouldnt let me... 12:57 Fixer "Is it ethical to use github? | Trisquel GNU/Linux - Run free!" 12:58 xerox123_ what was the error? 12:58 Krock Fixer, the PR and issue tracker isn't directly git. it's an additional feature to easy collaboration by the web service 12:58 tenplus1 says it already exists, but am using it for github, not notabug.org 12:58 Fixer I know, but maybe it is possible to migrate that somehow 12:59 rdococ I think other services like gitlab or bitbucket also have PRs 12:59 tenplus1 the readme.md already includes changelog if anyone's interested 13:01 Fixer tenplus1: it is still sucks, you don't have history of changes itself 13:01 tenplus1 am just tinkering for now Fixer, so far notabug.org is my fav. 13:02 tenplus1 nothing is a definite 13:02 BillyS Time to do a bunch of horriffic, crash-inducing stuff to my server to stop OOM from eating minetest 13:03 tenplus1 hi billy 13:03 BillyS hi 13:03 tenplus1 what mod is causing you oom 13:03 Amaz tenplus1: You can import the commit history by clicking "New Migration" under the + icon next to the profile picture 13:03 BillyS I suspect that it's TechPac 13:03 BillyS *TechPack 13:03 BillyS PRobably wasn't a good idea to install that 13:03 tenplus1 erk 13:04 BillyS However, I am known for my not so good ideas 13:04 BillyS Gotta keep my reputation. :P 13:04 tenplus1 ooh, that worked well Fixer, thanks 13:04 tenplus1 https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/Farming 13:05 Fixer tenplus1: +1 13:05 tenplus1 :P 13:05 Amaz It's just a shame that issues/pulls can't be migrated :/ 13:06 Fixer tenplus1: now try again with mobs 13:06 tenplus1 will remember for future migration 13:07 tenplus1 am I going crazy or are there no binaries for 0.4.17 for linux/android ? 13:07 BillyS My stupid VPN hoster won't let my increase swap 13:07 BillyS tenplus1, not by default 13:07 BillyS Maybe there is some repository 13:08 Fixer tenplus1: nope, I don't see them on PPA 13:09 tenplus1 o.O why have a release date when the only builds are for windows 13:11 BillyS Obviously, the peopl who manage the linux repos need to step up their game 13:11 BillyS *people 13:11 tenplus1 :) 13:11 Fixer yes 13:11 Fixer apart from PPA, that is updated by devs 13:12 BillyS Ah 13:12 BillyS Hmm ... now where could I find some devs ... :P 13:12 tenplus1 Fixer: if I migrate a repo and tick Clone, any changes from original filter through to new one ??? 13:18 Amaz I think that clicking "mirror" will do that, not 100% sure though. 13:19 tenplus1 thx:) 13:20 Amaz np :) 13:20 Fixer tenplus1: no idea 13:43 lisac https://blog.github.com/2018-06-04-github-microsoft/ 13:43 lisac it happened 13:44 ANAND :O 13:44 tenplus1 *shudder* 13:45 Raven262 Time to pick up our stuff and run as far as we can! 13:45 tenplus1 hi raven 13:45 Raven262 hi ten 13:45 tenplus1 am already testing an alternative :) https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/Farming 13:48 Raven262 Amaz also recommended that one 13:48 tenplus1 calinou and rubenwardy are on that one too :D 13:49 tenplus1 it *feels* the best 13:49 tenplus1 which prolly sounds stupid 13:50 ANAND o_O 13:50 BillyS The deadly and corrupt yet inexorable machine of Micros0ft consumes yet another jewel of open-source ... 13:50 tenplus1 look what they did to Skype, and they had it's best interests at heart... 13:50 ANAND notabug does *feel* quite nice! 13:50 ANAND unlike gitlab 13:50 tenplus1 yeah... 13:51 ANAND Just feels like Github with a make-over at first glance 13:51 tenplus1 exactly, a simplified version of github... familiar yet easier to use 13:51 ANAND Indeed 13:51 Amaz Exactly :) 13:52 rdococ https://screenshots.firefox.com/GEo6vwHREuEJzhBv/blog.github.com 13:52 tenplus1 gitlab just felt shitty, too busy and front page is more interested in it's own services than searching ppl's code 13:52 rdococ Inspector tools are yay 13:52 lisac The deadly and corrupt yet inexorable machine of Micros0ft consumes yet another jewel of open-source ... 13:52 ANAND XD 13:53 lisac Github should never have been allowed to become a 'jewel of open-source' 13:53 nerzhul https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-04/microsoft-agrees-to-buy-coding-site-github-for-7-5-billion?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=business&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business 13:53 lisac it's obviously a company, and they did whats best in the interest of that company 13:53 nerzhul it's in stocks 13:53 rdococ I'm thinking about becoming a communist 13:53 tenplus1 lol 13:53 ANAND lol 13:53 lisac nerzhul: do I get to say 'Fuck paywalled sites'? :) 13:53 BillyS lisac: Well, Github is more of a setting for numerous jewels of open source, not they you mention it 13:54 Raven262 YOu've got lisac to guide you then, rdococ! 13:54 BillyS s/not/now/ 13:54 * lisac hides 13:54 * lisac hides behind the giant red star 13:54 nerzhul lisac waiting for M$ ads on GH now 13:54 ANAND XD 13:54 BillyS "The world has realized how important happy, productive developers really are." 13:54 tenplus1 oh it'll happen... they will prolly introduce keywords for ads n such to pay for itself 13:54 BillyS give me a break 13:54 lisac 'As part of this change, Nat Friedman will be taking on the role of GitHub’s CEO.' 13:55 lisac Nat Friedman looks like an attempt to make us stay 13:55 lisac https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Friedman 13:55 lisac "Ximian, Inc. (previously called Helix Code and originally named International Gnome Support) was a company that developed, sold and supported application software for Linux and Unix based on the GNOME platform." 13:56 ANAND Dem puppets... 13:57 BillyS "The future of software development is bright and I’m thrilled to be joining forces with Microsoft to help make it a reality." 13:57 ANAND to make it a futility* 13:57 BillyS Hmm, his twitter name is "defunkt" 13:57 rdococ Dun, dun, dun... Another one acquired by M$ 13:57 * BillyS loads his AK-57 13:58 ANAND /giveme shooter:grenade 9999 13:59 BillyS /giveme sniper:sniper_rifle 13:59 Krock my face when you're running "git clean -f" by accident in the wrong repo 13:59 Krock :'( 13:59 lisac Bye minetest 13:59 lisac lol 13:59 Krock bye build scripts 13:59 BillyS So minetest is gonna be moved away from github? 14:00 tenplus1 if the proverbial SH*T hits the fan then it prolly will 14:00 rdococ If the soft hits the micro~ 14:00 Krock MICRO~1.PIF 14:00 tenplus1 hehehe 14:00 ANAND ha! 14:01 BillyS One of these days, Microsoft will implode on itself. 14:02 BillyS And I'll LAUGH. 14:02 nerzhul no decision about moving or not 14:02 nerzhul we can add a point for devs about this on next coredev discussion, what do you think about it sfan5, rubenwardy, Krock ? 14:03 Krock wait a month 14:03 tenplus1 if minetest could run it's own github clone simple for the game nad it's mods that would be kewl 14:03 ANAND ^ +1 14:03 sfan5 agree with Krock here 14:04 BillyS tenplus1: I might be able to run a small version of that; I've got a light high-speed server. Currently it's running my MT, but I hope to get DI3 to host that for me 14:05 BillyS Ofc, I probably couldn't if the mods were involved; I only have 32 GB of space on it 14:05 tenplus1 :P 14:06 BillyS Its a pity github seems to be going to the dogs 14:06 rdococ Capitalism agario 14:06 tenplus1 I wonder how long it'll take for Visual Studio to support github and then microsoft want everyone to use only that 14:07 ANAND Heh 14:07 rdococ giant microsoft blob eats mojang and github blobs 14:07 rdococ then a huge apple blob sneaks from behind... 14:07 ANAND XD 14:08 ANAND semi-eaten mind you 14:08 * tenplus1 uses mousepad for writing code :D 14:08 rdococ then an even bigger gnu blob sneaks behind that... 14:08 IhrFussel I'm still trying to fix a bug with cars ... when driving at a certain speed (I think it starts at 6 or 7 nodes per second) the cars tend to suddenly stop without any obstacle in sight 14:08 * rdococ 's keyboard is kinda broken 14:08 BillyS Don't I wish 14:09 IhrFussel The "air" stops them 14:09 tenplus1 coudl ti be an ignore node fussel ? 14:09 ANAND likely 14:09 rdococ Microsoft is trying to acquire your cars 14:09 tenplus1 brb, making noodles 14:09 nerzhul sfan5, Krock: no problem for me, i don't know if the gitlab rusher will stay there, but at least they can discover it and the limits :) 14:10 ANAND rdococ: cars aren't that popular yet, MS will wait for the cars to gain popularity, and *then* strike 14:10 IhrFussel Yeah I think this has to do with the active_block_range ... maybe if a physical entity reaches the border of that range it's halted by the engine 14:10 rdococ ANAND: true 14:10 IhrFussel Because it does *not* happen with carts which are non-physical 14:11 rdococ also, I'm pretty sure MS's mode of attack is requesting ownership of the company in return for obscene amounts of money 14:11 nerzhul there is now the announce on github.com 14:12 ANAND Octocat sulks in despair: https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/06/04/microsoft-github-empowering-developers/ 14:12 rubenwardy It's been announced :( 14:14 rdococ https://screenshots.firefox.com/gNDCQuNXvmNcNWbS/github.com 14:15 ANAND XD 14:16 Fixer Nadella is she, right? 14:16 Calinou no, he 14:16 Fixer oh 14:16 Krock it's not Nutella 14:17 Fixer he has very interesting name 14:17 ANAND They're torturing the poor octocat 14:18 Fixer ah, he is from indian origin 14:18 tenplus1 nuuuuuu 14:18 tenplus1 new avatar will prolly be clippy!!! 14:18 ANAND XD 14:18 Krock Would you like some help? 14:18 tenplus1 "I see youy're trying to create a new repository?" 14:18 rdococ ^ 14:19 Krock " - Open help page for viewing stats" 14:19 Krock " - See code examples to embed CI" 14:19 BillyS "And Microsoft is all-in on open source." 14:19 ANAND sovetskiy posted this in #minetest: http://static.open-open.com/news/uploadImg/20150111/20150111215432_207.jpg 14:19 BillyS (from https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2018/06/04/microsoft-github-empowering-developers/) 14:20 rdococ "Here at Microsoft we like to personally fuck you over if it increases our profits." 14:21 rdococ two of the major problems with capitalism. (1) monopolies, and (2) resorting to malicious tactics as opposed to actually improving products/service to compete 14:21 BillyS Yep 14:21 ANAND "Together we will continue to advance GitHub as a platform loved by developers and trusted by organizations." 14:21 BillyS Sadly, there are problems will all market systems 14:21 rdococ but not trustworthy 14:22 BillyS They will probably tweak the EULA to sadd a line saying that all the code on github s theirs 14:22 BillyS *add 14:22 BillyS Terrible spelling 14:22 nerzhul the most problematic is not the OSS projects 14:22 nerzhul because OSS projects are already public 14:22 tenplus1 yeah billy, that's what I'm figuring... some weird ass clause 14:22 nerzhul it's all companies who works on GH with valuable code privately 14:23 rdococ ^ 14:23 nerzhul microsoft can steal any of those companies, and there are very very huge amount companies and some banks are using it 14:23 BillyS Why o why did the github owner have to sell out? 14:23 rdococ 2024, microsoft acquires google 14:23 rdococ ^ half-joke 14:24 BillyS 2057, apple eats microsoft 14:24 rdococ BillyS: because MonEYz 14:24 nerzhul 2018: google closed all its repositories on github and re-open google code haha 14:24 BillyS 2134, comcast eats apple 14:24 rdococ 2325, gnu acquires everything 14:24 ANAND 2157, Tim Cook eats the apple 14:24 BillyS xD 14:24 ANAND Which is already half-eaten anyway 14:25 BillyS Hmm, I wonder if the owners of github could wipe their servers before selling to microsoft 14:25 BillyS Probably not without getting dragged into court 14:25 rdococ apple: for knock-off devices without headphone jacks and ridiculous app store guidelines™ 14:25 BillyS (Or rather, remove all the repo on it) 14:25 rdococ and tax evasion™ 14:26 BillyS Apples certainly does have it's flaws 14:26 tenplus1 apple sucks having a closed system 14:26 tenplus1 only api's are visible 14:26 rdococ the apple is edible 14:26 rdococ and won't acquire the living shit out of stuff 14:29 BillyS Apple has a darn good API tho 14:29 rdococ objective-c looks weird 14:29 BillyS I use swift 14:30 BillyS objective-c is wierd 14:30 rdococ swift and slow 14:30 BillyS C# is evil 14:30 tenplus1 lol 14:30 rdococ subjective-c 14:30 ANAND subjugative-c 14:30 rdococ wat 14:30 rdococ conjugative-c 14:31 Amaz subjuntive-c 14:31 tenplus1 everyone has their favourites :D 14:31 Amaz *subjunctive-c 14:31 Krock subjonctif-c 14:32 tenplus1 if each Os had a similar base api set then any program could work on any system... if only 14:32 Krock Baguettes: 14:32 rdococ tenplus1: what would the point be of multiple OSes then? would they even be considered as such? 14:33 tenplus1 :P kinda like java, but that's a bad word 14:33 ANAND lava 8) 14:34 rdococ mmm, java coffee 14:34 longerstaff13 meow 14:34 BillyS mmmm, yays 14:35 tenplus1 wb longer 14:35 longerstaff13 ty 14:35 rdococ the yay programming language: yay yay yay yay yay; yay;ya y;y ay,y ayay 14:35 longerstaff13 on a college PC atm 14:35 BillyS mmmmm, MMM. (inside joke) 14:35 rdococ inside outside joe 14:35 ANAND ^_o 14:35 longerstaff13 it runs Windows 7 >.< 14:35 ANAND better than Windows 10 :) 14:35 longerstaff13 true 14:36 * tenplus1 prefers wxp 14:36 longerstaff13 :P XP was the best 14:36 BillyS XP is a dead face 14:36 tenplus1 XP was simply an Os... didnt need to do anything else... 14:36 tenplus1 now they shoe-horn all other stuff in there you dont really need 14:37 rdococ the windows experience 14:37 longerstaff13 slows the hell out of a potato PC 14:37 rdococ the actually half-decent one™ 14:37 ANAND Speaking of XP, the nostalgic wallpapers and clippy come to mind 14:37 rdococ *cough* microsoft bob *cough* 14:37 longerstaff13 lol 14:37 tenplus1 lolol, Bob was soo bad 14:37 ANAND ah that too :) 14:37 Krock rdococ, that's somewhat 1993 14:38 tenplus1 *lets make the desktop look like a house* 14:38 rdococ Krock: ah, so Windows... 3.1? 14:38 longerstaff13 wasn't 3.1 1990? 14:38 * tenplus1 had to use win 3.0 and 3.11 at work... 14:38 longerstaff13 Ik 1.01 was 1985 14:38 rdococ tenplus1: when? o_O 14:38 * benrob0329 notes that #minetest-chat is for offtopic, this is at least a screenfull of it now and paramat will probably not be happy 14:38 tenplus1 a while back... 14:38 tenplus1 :P 14:38 Krock rdococ, missed the date by two years. was actually 1995 14:39 rdococ Krock: so 95 14:39 Krock rdococ, no, 95 was released a month afterwards 14:39 ANAND benrob0329, I never even knew of any such channel :O 14:39 tenplus1 hell we still have police forces and hospitals in UK running xp 14:39 rdococ Krock: close enough 14:39 rdococ tenplus1: they should use linux 14:39 longerstaff13 tenplus1: yup 14:39 rdococ like the ISS has for a few years, IIRC 14:40 tenplus1 agreed... public sector should be using linux to save cash 14:40 rdococ penguins in space 14:40 longerstaff13 gtg bbl 14:40 tenplus1 o/ 14:40 longerstaff13 o/ 14:40 rdococ does US even have much of a public sector anymore? 14:43 ANAND Nub question: if #minetest-chat is for off-topic, what exactly is the purpose of #minetest-hub? 14:43 tenplus1 to be even more off-topic :D 14:43 tenplus1 it's a challenge to see how far we can get before paramat notices 14:43 ANAND Ah, makes sense... 14:43 ANAND XD 14:44 rdococ inb4 he's been watching since he was pinged last 14:45 tenplus1 #-hub should be a channel where we feel comfortable talking about mt or general 14:45 Amaz ^ 14:46 ANAND Doesn't #minetest serve to achieve that purpose, though? 14:46 tenplus1 I really dont like joining multiple channels just to say certain things when it's all the same ppl in them 14:46 rdococ eleven is lazy :P 14:46 tenplus1 yup 14:46 ANAND hehe 14:47 rdococ mi two 14:55 Shara -hub is meant to be for contributors to discuss things openly with each other and devs, without the restrictions that apply in -dev, and with the possibility of 'some' offtopic 14:55 tenplus1 :P 14:55 Shara and -chat isn't official 14:56 ANAND -chat isn't official? 14:56 Shara No, it's not 14:56 ANAND Oh.. 14:58 Shara -chat is basically where you go if you want to talk about any random stuff but with MT people, I guess 14:59 Fixer it is already XP-like 14:59 Fixer there is no point in downgrade, unless you play DX12 games 15:00 Fixer india has huge public sector, that is odd 15:00 Fixer did not know about that 15:00 Fixer at around 50% 15:02 rdococ DirectX™: a huge security hole™ 15:02 tenplus1 lolol 15:02 tenplus1 with any luck Vulkan will take over as API of choice 15:03 rdococ return by reference would be weird 15:03 Sokomine oh :-( just read that ms bought github. so it's just a question of time until older repros will get lost? 15:03 tenplus1 hi sokomine 15:03 Sokomine hi ten 15:05 ANAND tenplus1, is Vulkan on par with DX in terms of performance? 15:05 tenplus1 yup 15:05 tenplus1 on some phoronix tests it even beats dx 15:06 tenplus1 https://www.anandtech.com/show/11223/quick-look-vulkan-3dmark-api-overhead 15:06 tenplus1 it's a newer/better implementation of opengl with all new features 15:09 ANAND Oh nice! Never knew that... :D 15:09 ANAND the "beats DX" part 15:09 tenplus1 plus vulkan is on all platforms (win/mac/linux/bsd) 15:10 tenplus1 so game devs could easily port to all platforms 15:10 Krock but does it run on my toaster? 15:10 * tenplus1 installs DSL on Krock's toaster 15:10 tenplus1 we'll see 15:10 ANAND haha 15:11 Krock It doesn't give me any output for about three minutes. Afterwards there's a click and this thing jumps up which I've then got to pull back in plac 15:11 Krock e 15:12 tenplus1 least no oom errors 15:12 Krock I tried to check whether it's a slow morse code but the intervals are always very close to three minutes 15:12 ANAND Unlike other machines, toasters dispose of their wastes 15:13 Fixer hah https://i.imgur.com/4TDHmea.png 15:13 tenplus1 lol 15:14 Krock quack? 15:14 rubenwardy First day at new job today 15:14 tenplus1 Krock: https://pics.onsizzle.com/when-everybody-else-is-getting-a-life-and-amazing-jobs-29645836.png 15:14 Fixer one of my fav screenshots 15:14 rubenwardy Well, internship 15:15 Krock why does this icon exist after all? 15:15 Fixer rubenwardy: congrats 15:15 * rubenwardy sets up https://git.rubenwardy.com 15:16 tenplus1 :PP 15:16 rubenwardy Going with gogs, seems snappier than gitlab 15:17 Krock rubenwardy, that was quick. Unavailable. 15:17 rdococ I set up a profile on https://notabug.org/ 15:17 Fixer you are panicking too faast 15:17 Fixer maybe github will be more or less fine 15:17 ANAND rubenwardy, The application is offline. 15:17 ANAND Please try again in a while, or report the issue if it persists. 15:17 tenplus1 da moon :P ehehehe 15:17 Amaz I think that notabug is based on gogs :) 15:18 tenplus1 still lets me use git gui... am happy 15:18 Krock rubenwardy, you can also use this one: http://repo.or.cz/ 15:18 rubenwardy I don't trust notabug 15:18 rubenwardy That's shit 15:18 rubenwardy I like css 15:18 Krock I know your opinion about it 15:18 rubenwardy XD 15:18 tenplus1 lol... 15:18 tenplus1 prolly how I feel about gitlab 15:18 rdococ until they make a second edition: "GitHub: Bedrock Edition" for Windows only 15:18 Krock just feeding some wood into the fire 15:18 rubenwardy I don't trust notabug with my private repos 15:19 rdococ all my repos are public anyway... 15:19 Krock hide your secret repos on a computer far away from the internet, somewhere buried in the depth of snow in norway 15:19 rdococ I want to live in norway 15:21 IhrFussel tenplus1, any way to lighten mobs ABMs? They mostly take 50-100 ms to finish sometimes even 0.5 secs 15:22 ANAND Someone threw a rock at a ginormous ant-hill hoping to eradicate the ants. The ants just coolly dispersed and found another ant-hill to build on... :D 15:22 tenplus1 core timer is live dtime, env checks and the rest run on a 1 sec timer 15:22 tenplus1 but am always looking for ways to improve api and make it run better :) 15:23 tenplus1 fussel, what are you waiting to finish mostly ? 15:23 IhrFussel I'm just talking about the ABMs https://pastebin.com/mt9NwJBb 15:24 tenplus1 what are the headings for each column ? I dunno what am looking at 15:25 IhrFussel Cause those seem to be the main culprit of my max_lag being mostly 0.5+ secs 15:25 tenplus1 really ? Xanadu runs with 0.1 lag and 4 players most times with mobs running 15:25 IhrFussel min µs | max mµ | avg mµ 15:25 IhrFussel µs* 15:26 Fixer so it is official, microsoft owns github :D 15:26 tenplus1 yup 15:26 tenplus1 looks like lava flan is using more mu than the rest, will look into that one 15:26 Krock 0.1s lag doesn't indicate whether some events take longer than usual. it just means they are short enough to fill the gap between server steps 15:27 IhrFussel I guess it's cause of all those checks... height/light/daytime/existing amount in mapblock etc 15:27 Krock try 0.05s and the server struggle may begin 15:29 IhrFussel sauth seems to be a bit slow on avg too 15:29 IhrFussel sauth: | 0 | 208814 | 239 | 0.0 | 99.7 | 0.3 15:29 IhrFussel - on_prejoinplayer[1] ............................... | 2797 | 208814 | 80360 | 35.4 | 99.7 | 90.5 15:30 IhrFussel But the mobs ABMs are almost all very high and explain the lag that I'm experiencing with 20+ players 15:31 IhrFussel Maybe I can comment out a few checks inside the ABM to see if that helps 15:31 tenplus1 the API uses Abm's to spawn mobs but even if I use a globalstep/minetest.after for each player to check surrounding nodes and spawn it that way it's just as intensive 15:32 tenplus1 but... laval flan spawn 1 in 1000 lava, should be around 5000 to lower checks 15:36 IcyDiamond my minetest sound is gone for some reason 15:37 IhrFussel I moved the protection check higher up maybe that reduces checks 15:37 IhrFussel At least on my server it's very likely that the chosen pos is protected 15:39 Fixer btw, when I looked into java minecraft servers, a lot of them restart every day 15:39 tenplus1 if laval flan is causing the most time spent checking then reduce number of active objects to 1 and increase chance 15:39 Fixer IhrFussel: your lags are not lags, I've sean real lags, like running at 2,5% of usual server speed 15:39 IhrFussel It's every mob... they all take between 50-100ms ... some more advanced mobs take 200-500ms 15:39 tenplus1 also wouldnt that depend on the machine they are run on 15:40 Fixer tenplus1: with "right" sort of plugins even powerful Xeon with tons of ram does not help 15:40 Fixer IhrFussel: where is avg column? 15:40 Fixer btw 15:41 IhrFussel The 4th one is avg 15:41 Fixer let me speculate even more about Microsoft 15:41 Fixer one word: XENIX 15:41 Fixer if you know what that was, you will not be surprised 15:42 Fixer IhrFussel: the one with 208814? 15:42 IhrFussel 80360 << for sauth 15:43 IhrFussel But a 5 digit average is bad 15:43 Fixer IhrFussel: that looks high in my opinion 15:43 Fixer yeah 15:43 IhrFussel max can be high and min should be very low 15:44 Fixer IhrFussel: have you tried using 0.4.17 withou sauth? 15:45 tenplus1 hi twoelk 15:45 twoelk o/ 15:52 tenplus1 IhrFussel: I've re-ordered the spawn checks so that the lightest are all first 15:52 tenplus1 hope that helps 15:53 IhrFussel tenplus1, thanks^^ I wonder if the on_activate() callback also counts towards the ABM time 15:57 tenplus1 mob_activate shouldnt cause slowdown, it's just a few if's and some default settings being reset 16:05 twoelk who actually answers the callback? client or server? 16:13 tumeninodes holy smokes, everyone is panic jumping already? 16:13 tenplus1 hi tumeninodes 16:13 tumeninodes hey tenplus1 16:15 tumeninodes I have to work on those times lights later today. paramat suggested using get_timeofday. gonna give it a whack later 16:15 twoelk maybe we need an automatic -keep calm, don't panic- message 16:15 tumeninodes yeh I would say so twolk 16:16 tumeninodes *e sorry 16:17 tumeninodes I am an avid anti-ms extremist but, not gonna jump the github ship till the water reaches my knees 16:18 twoelk we used to wack lamp posts as kids - they had a turn-off function when swaying too much 16:19 twoelk yep, we can see the iceberg, we know it's there so no need to panic 16:20 * twoelk notices ms and google and the mormons buying up all services and sites he is member of 16:22 tumeninodes they're after you... 16:22 tumeninodes maybe if we simply offer you up as a sacrifice, they will be appeased :D 16:22 tenplus1 god help us if they start buying over linux distro's 16:23 tumeninodes They would only need to buy canonical 16:23 tumeninodes it would be the only lucrative part of interest for them, they would slowly abolish the rest 16:23 tumeninodes well, "maybe" redhat too 16:25 Krock good luck buying the arch linux infrastructure 16:25 tumeninodes MS is like (and part of) the globalist movement. They "think" they are making everything better, while they ruin everything. They actually believe that everyone automatically loves everything they do 16:26 tumeninodes IDK Krock..., people's morals and standards start to change one the $ numbers start getting to a certain level of insane 16:27 tumeninodes *once 16:27 tenplus1 after XP I never went back to microballs and wouldnt want to 16:27 tumeninodes and arch is pretty imbedded in robotic tech, is it not? 16:27 tenplus1 ubuntu core as well 16:29 tumeninodes yeh XP was ok. Still was not up to the level it could have been, had they been truly passionate about it, and did not focus on overhead and max profit 16:29 rdococ yay, moneyz 16:29 tumeninodes yep 16:29 tenplus1 greed got in the way... and now it's acrappy behemoth of an Os 16:34 twoelk oops, I was misinformed, not google owns all them sites I'm member of but rather the Alphabet Inc. :O 16:34 * tenplus1 thinks of Umbrella Corporation in Resident Evil 16:40 Fixer https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/project/import/github.html 16:40 Fixer importing from github into gitlab 16:40 Fixer notabug should have the same thing IMO 16:41 tenplus1 the migration thing in notabug works ok with the link 16:42 tumeninodes so why don't people just clone their repos into gitlab (or whatever) but still keep their github repos as well? 16:43 tumeninodes this way you have a safety net. if it is to protest, it isn;t going to change anything 16:43 tumeninodes not like people are going to suddenly say "Nah, people are dropping this is'nt right, here's your 5 billion back" 16:47 tenplus1 lol 16:47 tenplus1 I have a backup/safety net, but just incase microsoft somehow add a clause of use etc. or make it VS only access to github we're all looking for alternatives 16:47 tumeninodes actually, I'm just upset cuz ya'll are gonna make me have to use gitlab to see your stuff :P 16:48 tenplus1 tumeninodes: https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/Farming 16:50 tumeninodes notabug, hmmm one I had not heard of 16:50 IhrFussel tenplus1, I added a table to api.lua which checks if a certain mob type already spawned within the last X secs and aborts in the ABM if so... it seems to help with the lag 16:51 tenplus1 good for singleplayer, but what if 4 players are all in different areas and each area tries to spawn the same mob 16:51 tenplus1 1 wins, the others dont 16:52 tenplus1 and group settings having 3 of same mob spawn in an area may not work 16:52 IhrFussel But if you are in an area with lots of matching nodes the ABM code could theoreticaly run lots of times in a row 16:53 xerox123 https://github.com/ see the top 16:53 tenplus1 that's why I moved the lighter checks near the start of the abm, to reduce checking/load 17:01 Fixer tenplus1: gitlab can migrate issues and other stuff, I think 17:01 tenplus1 yeah, it's just the look and feel I dont like 17:01 Fixer also, notabug is not a business entity iirc 17:01 Fixer gitlag is 17:01 Fixer can end up with the same problem 17:02 Fixer why not open git.minetest.net ? 17:02 Fixer and host all mods on it 17:02 Fixer and tie it with content db 17:02 * Fixer afk 17:03 tumeninodes someone should have forked github while it was free/open source haha (might be grandfathered) 17:03 tenplus1 we have many decent clones out there :p 17:04 tenplus1 hi benrob 17:05 tumeninodes it's back to svn for everyone, muahahahahahahaaaaa 17:05 tenplus1 never used svn :P 17:21 nerzhul Fixer: yeah, look at https://gitlab.com/minetest/minetest_game 17:22 nerzhul the gitlab look & feel is different than github, but it's more complete and a UI like github cannot be so complete without being broken :) 17:23 Shara I want to look, but seems poor gitlab is breaking under the strain :) 17:24 rubenwardy http://www.thisisinsider.com/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-asks-developers-to-give-github-acquisition-a-chance-2018-6?utm_source=quora&utm_medium=referral 17:25 tenplus1 they might not close github, but many wouldnt trust microsoft as far as we could throw them 17:29 tumeninodes While nadella's words are promises, and plastered all over the web..., I would not trust those words unless I see an actual hand signed contract to back it all up 17:29 xerox123 has the way the serverlist works changed? 17:29 tumeninodes a ceo can promise the world, but it is the board of money makers who have the final say 17:30 tenplus1 +100 17:30 rdococ Googles™ 17:30 IhrFussel xerox123, if you mean that server that allow mobile players are punished less than no 17:30 IhrFussel then* 17:31 xerox123 ah ok, because a server I host has shot to being at peak #4 earlier 17:31 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4 -- cppcheck warnings 17:31 IhrFussel Servers jump a lot with the current system, because it's random when more players with such "guest" names join 17:32 xerox123 and much much more users 17:33 xerox123 server is much closer to being full now than before 17:34 IhrFussel In theory a server with 5-10 players can score higher than one with 20+ players depending on how many mobile players with names that end in numbers play on it 17:35 IhrFussel I got a script that calculates the scores for each server...one sec 17:35 IhrFussel xerox123, which one is yours? 17:36 xerox123 LS-Wonderland (not my server, I host it) 17:37 xerox123 20.93378935185185 17:38 IhrFussel penalty -1.75 guests for LS-Wonderland/mt.xeroxirc.net 17:38 tenplus1 lol 17:38 rdococ Yayze™ 17:39 tenplus1 hi entuland 17:40 IhrFussel penalty -6.125 guests for HOMETOWN/hometownserver.com 17:40 IhrFussel Those names can bring down the score a lot 17:40 tenplus1 erk, did xanadu score bad too ? 17:42 xerox123 8.818014705882353, no penalties 17:42 tenplus1 o.O 17:42 CWz_ great now all the minetest stuff links are gonna break 17:42 tenplus1 hi cwz 17:43 IhrFussel tenplus1, the scores are updated every few minutes...looks like nobody is online there right now so there can be no guest penalty 17:43 tenplus1 heh 17:44 IhrFussel 7/21 on HT right now are guests ... and that is not unusual 17:46 xerox123 Highly loaded server: at what point does it become highly loaded? 17:47 entuland hello there everybody 17:47 Krock hi entuland 17:47 tumeninodes howdy 17:48 tenplus1 there's a snake in mah boot... it's called microsoft 17:48 entuland eeheheh 17:49 entuland are we going to boycott github now? 17:49 tenplus1 only if they mess around with it and change things 17:49 tenplus1 for that we have to wait 17:49 entuland reading how they are paying people to actually contribute to OSS repos feels weird and good at the same time 17:50 entuland hell, they also released the win95 file manager's code! 17:50 entuland that's something! 17:50 tenplus1 it will be nice if they prove us all wrong and do the right thing 17:50 rdococ ^ 17:50 rdococ *cough* make ykw open source *cough* 17:50 tenplus1 but for now I'm going by what I've experienced from windows in the past... 17:51 entuland yep, we'll see, hopefully they don't screw up 17:51 tenplus1 17:52 entuland otherwise we could just be moving stuff to bitbucket or the alike 17:52 entuland I've read here about that gitlab but not sure I understand what's all about... are the two related? 17:53 tenplus1 hi andro 18:04 CWz_ i wonder what will minetest guys do 18:06 xerox123 are all those branches meant to be viewable on gitlab? I only remember there beinf a couple on github 18:06 xerox123 being* 18:11 rdococ jquery is weird, but in a good way? 18:56 Sokomine tenplus1: maybe let less mobs spawn if the player is just racing past. they might not reach the player in time anyway 18:58 tenplus1 mob spawn times have been redone so that animals can spawn with lower chance every 60 seconds and monsters every 30 18:58 tenplus1 it counts how many are in a specific area and tries not to go over that amount per animal/monster 18:59 Sokomine tenplus1: doesn't make their os or ui any better 18:59 Sokomine rdococ: isn't ykw already written in java? that's pretty open source 19:00 tenplus1 am still looking into better and less intensive ways to spawn mobs 19:00 Sokomine tenplus1: (er, not mobs redo. that was aimed at ms) 19:01 Sokomine tenplus1: mob spawning was a complex issue back in the mobf days already 19:01 Sokomine mobs redo seems to do fine most of the time 19:01 Sokomine still, all those mobs spawning next to you and racing towards you are a bit odd 19:02 * Sokomine waves a sign at ten: let more friendly mobs live! 19:02 tenplus1 mobs will only spawn if player is 12+ nodes away 19:02 tenplus1 the only reason they would spawn next to player is IF lag stops entities loading in a mapblock and they load when player is beside them 19:04 Sokomine "next to you" was a relative value. they still raise their arms and want to embrace players ,-) 19:04 tenplus1 lol 19:18 tumeninodes at this point, I feel it may be better to just pretend I never even thought about making streetlights turn on and off automatically, and be done with it 19:18 tenplus1 aww 19:18 tumeninodes haha 19:20 tenplus1 prolly easier to set on_punch to turn on off and let players deal with it :D 19:20 longerstaff13 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/QMETcUCe/Screenshot_20180604_201726.png 19:20 longerstaff13 \o/ 19:20 tenplus1 checking repo's 19:20 tumeninodes yeh, I did that from the start... 19:21 tumeninodes although, hmm... I wonder if the on right click, is interfering with the abm fun..... eh nevermind :P 19:22 tumeninodes automated lighting killed with extreme prejudice.... There, at least I accomplished something today 19:22 tenplus1 .ll 19:22 tenplus1 lol 19:23 tumeninodes stupid idea anyway... automated lighting... what's next, automatic coffee makers? psssh... pa-leeeeze 19:24 * tenplus1 hides next mod 19:24 tumeninodes 0_0 whacha got theer tenplus1??? Hey! wheer ya goin???! 19:24 * tenplus1 sips coffee 19:25 * tumeninodes sips coffee..., automatically 19:25 tenplus1 lol 19:26 tenplus1 last thing I did lately was redo itemframes to be less intensive, and a few new checks for mob api :PPPP 19:26 tenplus1 finding time is the hard part :D 19:27 tumeninodes it did seem to work-ish under experimental times. But, it would be a flicker of light (set to the intervals) but the light was 2 nodes away from the node and the nodes do not switch 19:28 tumeninodes just a creepy flickering light that turns on and off by timeofday settting 19:30 * tenplus1 imagines friday nigth at freddies and flickering lights 19:30 tumeninodes pretty close 19:31 longerstaff13 I get this error when upgrading minetest versions: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ZbPTjrAF/ 19:31 tenplus1 weird, try removing old 1st then instasllnew 19:31 longerstaff13 ok 19:32 longerstaff13 same error 19:33 tenplus1 damn... 19:33 tenplus1 this is why I want pre-built .debs available for download to replace 0.4.16 one's 19:33 longerstaff13 heh 19:34 longerstaff13 I'll try re-install 0.4.16 till I can figure out why it won't overwrite the file 19:34 tumeninodes make friends with a deb packager 19:34 Krock re-install 0.4.17 19:35 Krock hmmm 19:36 longerstaff13 I wonder if removing the entire minetest directory in my home folder would do anything 19:36 tumeninodes that's why I always give updates to repos a couple days before I install them ; ) 19:36 longerstaff13 I don't have any singleplayer worlds so it's fine to try 19:36 tenplus1 try reloading repo's and install again, 19:37 tenplus1 are you actually using 18.10 just now ? 19:37 xerox123 git: only way to fix it to nuke the whole folder 19:37 longerstaff13 18.04 LTS 19:37 tenplus1 but you are downloading from 18.10 repo's ? 19:38 tenplus1 remember it may not work at all, could be built using all new libs 19:38 longerstaff13 what it says before the error happens: Unpacking minetest (0.4.17-ppa0~ubuntu18.04.1) ... 19:39 Krock what if you download and install the package manually? https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable/+packages 19:40 longerstaff13 lemme see 19:40 tenplus1 ?!?! I get an error saying a later version is already installed... what the ?!?! 19:41 tenplus1 am using 0.4.16 19:42 tenplus1 removed current minetest and re-installed from .deb on that page.. wrked 19:42 IhrFussel If I depend on a mod will that also guarantee that the mod's on_joinplayer() callbacks are called before mine? 19:42 * twoelk unzips new mt-0.4.17 19:43 * Krock unzips $40 19:43 longerstaff13 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KnM4oh4S/Screenshot_20180604_204328.png 19:43 Krock IhrFussel, not if you push your callback to the front of the callback table 19:44 Krock longerstaff13, is that a firefox glitch? 19:44 Krock kpanel problem maybe 19:45 longerstaff13 the screenshot was took as the window for the screenshotter was closing 19:48 longerstaff13 meh, I'll figure this out later 19:49 tumeninodes "screenshotter"..., I don;t think that's really a word Johnny (from Johnny Dangerously) :D 19:51 longerstaff13 couldn't think of the name, you know how there is sometimes a word on the tip of your tongue and you can't say it? a bit like that 19:52 tumeninodes ; ) 19:53 rubenwardy Sokomine: that's not what open source means 19:53 rubenwardy opensource.org/osd 19:53 Krock tumeninodes, be a shooting star .. with guns 19:54 tumeninodes don't you know that you are a shotting star :P 19:56 tumeninodes afk beefly 19:56 tumeninodes *briefly 19:57 longerstaff13 ayyyy, fixed it, I uninstalled minetest-data from synaptic and installed just minetest 0.4.17 itself from synaptic (I have the PPA installed on my laptop) 19:57 tenplus1 hehehe kewl 19:58 longerstaff13 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/IRxZgY6C/Screenshot_20180604_205837.png 19:59 Krock yay 19:59 rubenwardy no nice background :'( 19:59 tenplus1 sent shinji update for server 20:00 longerstaff13 anyway bbbl 20:00 longerstaff13 bbl* 20:01 tenplus1 nite folks :) 20:01 Krock fort nite tenplus 1 20:02 * Krock hints longerstaff13 to install colored_names for easier communication on crowded servers 20:02 paramat ugh too late i was going to kick tenplus 20:05 longerstaff13 Krock: csm? 20:06 Krock yes. 20:06 Krock it's the bright and innocent side of CSM 20:07 twoelk not the colourfull? 20:07 longerstaff13 Ok 20:09 Krock twoelk, where's light there are colors. 20:09 Krock white consists of many different colors 20:12 twoelk oh, so -white- people are many-colored this sounds like a fun info in some unpleasant arguments - hm, now where can I drop that bomb? 20:13 * twoelk once got kicked on KVIrc for insisting that the persian language is closer related to english than arabic 20:14 paramat !tell tenplus1 i'm going to start kicking you instead of warning because you are repeatedly and conciously breaking channel rules, and are one of the worst offenders. refusing to use more than 1 channel is lazy, rude and inconsiderate, this is not your personal channel. sorry to have to discipline :) 20:14 MinetestBot paramat: I'll pass that on when tenplus1 is around 20:14 twoelk ? 20:21 IcyDiamond Gitlab when? ;) 20:26 IcyDiamond paramat: I'm sorry but what? I don't see what he did wrong 20:27 Krock it's obviously a monthly MTB test whether the !tell function still works 20:27 IcyDiamond Lol 20:27 lisac #7008 needs one more approval 20:27 Krock but I don't see either the problem.. 20:27 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7008 -- Allow CSMs to register a function on keypress by lisacvuk 20:28 Krock lisac, my PRs also need that many approvals yet nothing happens 20:28 Amaz Too much offtopic and generally keeping the channel alive ;) 20:28 lisac lol, I guess 20:28 lisac Krock: can you approve your own PRs? 20:28 lisac mine seem to die if I don't mention them every once in a while 20:28 CWz_ would be funny if Microsoft brought Github to get rid of minetest 20:28 IcyDiamond Well I think I better not talk here then 20:28 Krock lisac, as long they're not a large change in Minetest, yes- 20:29 IcyDiamond I don't want to get kicked 20:29 lisac IcyDiamond: I think offtopic rule is here just in case someone really offtopics too much 20:29 tumeninodes can interval be commented out of the abm code? 20:30 IcyDiamond All I see from him is participating in active discussion and talking about his mod 20:31 tumeninodes I have tried using = 0, = nil, = non zero integres... all seem to interefere with get_timeofday 20:33 tumeninodes it seems timeofday works fine? but then there is just a flashing light about 2 nodes away from the targets and, the target nodes do not switch. https://0bin.net/paste/OOf8lKHlHcX-MMtz#Jz2p+GWx-opjU4FuOy1q/ppSWuISFzPEtKe54787l82 20:33 BillyS Hmm . . . is there some way I could get all the craft recipes that gravel is used in? 20:34 BillyS minetest.get_all_craft_recipes isn't what I'm loking for 20:34 BillyS Because it just gives me the recipes for an item, not the recipes in which and item is used 20:34 tumeninodes i can put the whole mod on MicroGit-hub if anyone is interested in glancing over it? 20:34 paramat offtopic is fine and welcome here in moderation, see http://hub.minetest.net/info 20:35 Krock tumeninodes, these params have a fallback value, see here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/script/cpp_api/s_env.cpp#L145 20:35 Krock so when you omit the interval it'll jump to 10s 20:37 tumeninodes oh, :( 20:37 tumeninodes embarrassed to have to say, I don;t know what to do with that info : / 20:37 BillyS There doesn't seem to be a minetest.registered_crafts, which is what I really need 20:38 Krock you couldn't alter that table anyway so what's the point? 20:39 Krock recipe lookups? 20:39 BillyS The point is, I have two types of gravel: Sieved gravel, and gravel 20:39 BillyS I was the same recipes to apply to them 20:39 Krock craft conflicts, duh.. 20:39 BillyS But I don't want them to be the same node 20:39 * BillyS sighs 20:39 BillyS No, that's not what I mean 20:40 BillyS I want them to be used in the same recipes. So, sieved gravel could be used to craft gunpowder, as well as gravel 20:41 BillyS There doesn't seem to be a way I can do that, tho. 20:41 * twoelk proposes a gravel group :-) 20:41 BillyS I suppose I'll just have to hardcode 20:41 BillyS Hmm 20:41 BillyS That's basically what I need 20:42 BillyS But I'd have to change all those current craft recipes, which leads to the same problem. :? 20:42 BillyS *:/ 20:43 twoelk can't you use all nodes that have gravel as part of the name? 20:44 BillyS Not sure. I'd assume so 20:45 BillyS But if I did create a gravel group, I'd have to update all the craft recipes currently using gravel to use the gravel group instead. 20:45 BillyS Which makes stuff an even bigger nightmare to update 20:46 twoelk https://github.com/tenplus1/farming/blob/master/grass.lua like here for grass_ nodes? 20:47 BillyS Hmm, that might work . . . I look into that. thx! 20:57 entuland let's hope gitlab survives the mass migration: https://monitor.gitlab.net/dashboard/db/github-importer?orgId=1 21:00 nerzhul the gitlab.com postgresql handle 150k transactions per second, nice :D 21:26 IhrFussel entuland, the graphs are not loading for me...overloaded? 21:27 VanessaE badly. 21:27 IhrFussel "Request Error" for every graph 21:28 entuland ahhahha 21:34 lisac https://gitgud.io/users/sign_in 21:35 lisac https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/8okkk9/apple_deprecating_opengl/ 21:35 nerzhul hey modders, see #7411 it can permits to remove your hacks :) 21:35 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7411 -- CSM/SSM: Add on_mods_loaded callback by nerzhul 21:35 lisac !title 21:35 MinetestBot lisac: Apple deprecating OpenGL. : gamedev 21:35 nerzhul great, apple decided to remove all gaming features from its OS 21:35 nerzhul metal is vulkan concurrent, and they don't talked about it :p 21:39 lisac nerzhul: I think they think that will make people make MacOS-only games 21:39 lisac what will actually happen is people switching to DirectX 21:39 nerzhul no interest for nobody, great 21:40 nerzhul currently in gamedev industry only modelers or graphist are sometimes on macosx, engine devs are generally on windows or linux (~50% of each) 21:40 rubenwardy fuck that 21:40 rubenwardy there will be a compatibility layer or something 21:40 nerzhul no 21:40 nerzhul compat layer = use a big engine (unity, UE) 21:40 rubenwardy like wine does for dx 21:41 rubenwardy and this is damaging as said, less reason for game makers to use opengl over dx 21:42 nerzhul yes it can have a tiny side effect on Linux 22:08 celeron55 everything seems to be going towards bigger platforms with walled gardens 22:09 celeron55 in that world, nobody cares even if you only had one choice for a game engine 22:11 celeron55 if you're not the biggest platform on the market, people don't even understand why they should care at all 22:14 celeron55 except if you're apple, then for some reason you lead the entire computer industry with any and all crazy ideas you happen to have 22:17 nerzhul they doesn't lead anything, iPhones are decreasing, Mac are not more brought than before 22:17 nerzhul they have they glory time 2 years ago, but it's finished 22:22 twoelk but if apple goes that only leaves ms on the proprietory side 22:23 twoelk on the pc market that is 22:23 twoelk but maybe the classic pc is an outdated concept 22:24 nerzhul mobile has a great part, where microsoft loose 22:25 twoelk micro-pc such as the nuc might take over the pc niche 22:27 nerzhul https://twitter.com/gitlab/status/1003764673454342144 haha 22:36 celeron55 nerzhul: just open a 2018 high end phone listing 22:37 celeron55 it's literally just iphone clones 22:38 celeron55 it's like nobody even bothers to think for themselves 22:46 Fixer fuuu-- 22:47 twoelk lol, freedom of choice is time consuming - I have been musing about only owning one sort of socks - should save time in the morning - no more needing time for decisions nobody notices anyways :D 22:47 Fixer nerzhul: you wrote to me smth about minetest_game, but can't figured out where in the chat 22:48 twoelk hm, ok, two types, one for summer and one for winter 22:48 Fixer nerzhul: found it, nevermind 22:49 Fixer celeron55: smartphone market already saturated and sales are declining it seems 22:49 Fixer celeron55: what is annoying is how they copy apple bullshit like nosdcard, nojack, nonrem bats, notch... 22:50 Fixer nerzhul: what about Vulkan on Apple, or it is anal, as usual? 22:51 Fixer twoelk: despite the free market (tm), we often don't have much choice, for example, manufacturers suddenly stop making phones with replac batteries, en masse 22:52 Fixer under false pretenses 22:52 Fixer to protect your phone, yet many are not waterproof and happely die without me able to throw out battery to prevent more damage 22:52 celeron55 they can make a higher profit from a simpler physical construction and sell more of them when the battery gets old, it's not really a false pretense 22:53 celeron55 completely against consumer interest of course, but nobody pretends it's better 22:53 Fixer instead people now go to local guy and say "fuck manufacturer" and just replace battery for cheap 22:53 Fixer you don't need to buy a new phone anymore 22:53 celeron55 most are lazy and use it as an excuse to buy a new phone 22:54 twoelk keeping a product as long as possible is - er - unproductive 22:54 Fixer It is okay to update my Samsung with Android 2 (6 years old), it is big improvement in OS, but if you already have a new phone - it is reached maturaty, no need to update, same with PC 22:54 Fixer celeron55: you mean teenagers have an excuse, when you live from wage to wage you just replace battery 22:55 Fixer what is the point to change shitphone 6 to shitphone 7 when it is ___slightly___ better, no point 22:55 Fixer it is like update from intel i3-2120 to i3-3230 or smth, tiny gain, for a full price 22:55 Fixer instead you wait 10 years and then update your PC 22:55 * twoelk wonders when they might find a whale with a stomach full of throwaway phones 22:55 Fixer money saved you spend on your vacation or house repair 22:56 Fixer twoelk: $200-600-800 is not throwaway 23:00 Shara And here's me, happily refusing to get a smartphone and dreading the day my really ancient nokia finally dies :) 23:03 twoelk oh yeah my old nokia with a battery that lasted a week 23:04 Shara Mine still lives that long and then some 23:05 Shara I can't even say which model it is, because the text has worn off 23:06 twoelk sigh, I never went through the tamagotchi school so I let my current phone starve on a daily basis 23:07 Shara It handles calls and I can set an alarm on it... battery lives forever and it's dirt cheap too. I don't need or want more. 23:07 Shara I spend enough time online at home and in the office so I really don't want some portable internet with me everywhere I go. 23:08 Shara And people who seem to need phones to navigate even short distance... I just don't understand 23:08 twoelk that reminds me of the chirping cricket sound I always wanted to salvage from my old nokia 23:08 Shara (oh, I can also drop it out of upstairs windows and in the bath a couple times and it survived fine...) 23:09 Sokomine strange phenomen detected: colored glass (more than one color) placed below water -> becomes invisible (looks like it's just more water). but: if i place the same glass block somewhere above, the glass below the water suddenly becomes visible again 23:10 Shara Sokomine: coloured thing with alpha and water... expect headaches. 23:10 rubenwardy !title https://github.com/minetest/contentdb/pull/93 23:10 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Add git support for importing meta by rubenwardy · Pull Request #93 · minetest/contentdb · GitHub 23:11 Fixer nerzhul: where are issues on your gitlab? 23:11 Sokomine Shara: they're very useful, those smartphones. you can use the camera to make short notes by photographing things of intrest. and some have a very good flashlight integrated. very useful at night 23:11 Fixer nerzhul: for MTG 23:11 Sokomine (not to say that it runs mt as well...) 23:11 Shara Sokomine: my phone screen gives enough light to see by... I often use it to move around the house at night. :) 23:11 twoelk I got a mobile phone, a notebook out of paper, a wristwatch and a navi and sometimes a compass - I might be somewhat outdated 23:11 Fixer i have real compass, game over 23:12 Shara twoelk: I'd say same, but I don't use any of them... 23:12 Fixer you failed 23:12 twoelk oh, I forgot also with me my camera 23:12 Fixer yeah, I have DSLR 23:12 Fixer I guess for avg folk shitcam from shitphone is good enough 23:12 Shara I have afairly good sense of direction. As long as I've looked at a map, I can usually remember it well enough to find my way. 23:12 Sokomine Shara: smartphones have bigger screens. really useful when illuminating something :-) 23:12 Shara And yes, if I will take photos, real camera please :) 23:13 Fixer Sokomine: some have built in flashlight, use that instead 23:13 Sokomine but that colored glass is really strange... 23:13 Shara Sokomine: I've tried with them.. light is usally more.. spread out and gentle. Doesn't work well for me. 23:13 twoelk oh, some of them mobilephone cams are better than my old camera :-( 23:14 Fixer i have to admit, phone camers are pretty good for avg folk 23:14 Shara They are pretty good now in all fiarness 23:14 Shara fairness* 23:15 twoelk ok, my compass is a little more sophisticated but that was something I bought from early selfearned money - and it has been used lots 23:15 twoelk you can also calculate hights with it :-P 23:16 twoelk fully undigital though 23:17 twoelk must admit I also own a sextant - haven't used that much though 23:27 Fixer i fail 23:30 paramat Sokomine #95 2nd oldest issue 23:30 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/95 -- Seeing more lava through see-through lava (no translucency depth-sorting) 23:33 Fixer this is some ridiculous english 23:35 Fixer implementing z-sorting, faster particles and proper mass entity loading without freeze should be on important list 23:35 Fixer just my opinion 23:36 rubenwardy Yes 23:36 Shara Big yes. 23:38 Fixer https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DerxhrEWsAYQsa7.jpg 23:49 paramat i remember hmmmm talking about z sorting, quite a big task 23:51 paramat #1414 is marked high-priority 23:51 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1414 -- Particles are very slow 23:59 Sokomine paramat: wow :-) that's pretty old. but the effect really felt very odd :-) makes you disbelieve in your eyes