Time Nick Message 08:43 tenplus1 hi folks 08:47 tenplus1 hi longer 08:48 longerstaff13 Hello 11 :P 08:54 tenplus1 added Turish Delight to Farming Redo :) also cornstarch... Ethereal seaweed can make agar and bonemeal bones can make gelatin 09:59 tenplus1 hi red 10:42 tenplus1 hi entuland 10:46 entuland greetings 10:46 tenplus1 o/ 11:11 tenplus1 hi raven 11:11 Raven262 Hi ten 11:12 tenplus1 :P hows things 11:13 Raven262 I managed to run wine with gallium nine, so I got native DX9 support here. 11:13 Raven262 So nice. 11:13 tenplus1 nice one :) 11:14 tenplus1 wine is getting better with each release 11:15 Raven262 I can now run Skyrim on linux, but I still need to adjust the game, performance gets a bit bad in closed spaces. 11:15 tenplus1 what version of wine you running ? 3.01 ? 11:15 Raven262 3.9-staging 11:16 tenplus1 ooh, what desktop manager ? gnome/xfce/? 11:16 Raven262 Mint's default, forgot which one was it 11:16 Raven262 Recently installed mint lol 11:16 tenplus1 cinnamon 11:16 Raven262 Yeah that 11:16 tenplus1 good desktop but a tad slow on gaming... 11:17 Raven262 I remember killing plasma on kubuntu to get better performance. 11:18 tenplus1 yeah, compositing needs a game-mode where it disabled everything to give better FPS 11:19 tenplus1 that's why I used openbox/icewm :P less impact on gpu.cpu 11:19 Raven262 Though, I doubt that I can get better FPS in Skyrim just with a lighter DE. 11:19 tenplus1 and surprisingly running "American McGee's Alice" gives me far bette FPS on wine than it does on windows itself 11:19 Raven262 Ah, i had this in WoW 11:20 Raven262 Runs much better in linux's GL mode than in Windows' DX 11:20 tenplus1 :P 11:20 Raven262 That is, runs overall better on linux. 11:21 Fuchs Plasma should not impact your game performance, especially as it can turn off compositing if you run games (i.e. Starbound does this properly, Minetest might not) 11:21 tenplus1 sadly my wee net-top pc isnt powerful enough to run "Alice: Madness Returns" over 10fps 11:21 tenplus1 hi Fuchs 11:21 Fuchs hello :) 11:21 Raven262 Hi Fuchs 11:21 Raven262 Yeah, but I eventually switched to mint. The kde was slow. 11:21 tenplus1 most newer titles can detect and inform desktop that it needs to run without compositing 11:25 tenplus1 e.g. in this test the MATE desktop runs Dota 2 at 100fps, vs CInnamon at 40fps 11:27 Raven262 Wait, wait, my dota runs on 40 fps on cinnamon 11:28 tenplus1 try disabling compositing and running it again and see what it gives you 11:29 Raven262 I'll install mate and try it. 11:30 Raven262 It seems to be a better option 11:30 tenplus1 :P 11:31 tenplus1 o/ fixer 11:31 Raven262 mate sure takes a long time to install 11:32 tenplus1 depends if you are installing the dm itself or the meta with everything included 11:32 Raven262 only like 70 packages 11:32 Raven262 :P 11:32 * tenplus1 uses IceWM :))) 11:33 Raven262 That looks old. 11:33 tenplus1 can be themed to look like any os 11:37 tenplus1 wb dude 11:37 Raven262 thx 11:38 Raven262 Okay, so i leave the channel when I logout. 11:38 tenplus1 yep :) you in MATE now ? 11:38 Raven262 I never used the log out option. 11:38 Raven262 Yes 11:38 tenplus1 you can make it faster if you go into system settings -> effects and turn them off 11:41 Raven262 Can't find system settings 11:41 tenplus1 no worries :P 11:41 Raven262 Wow, I can't find effects anywhere 11:42 tenplus1 maybe it was an optional package 11:44 Raven262 Well, I wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it with my own eyes. From ~40 to 58-60 FPS stable in Dota2 demo mode. 11:44 tenplus1 a window manager can make the difference when it comes to gaming :) 11:45 Raven262 Yeah 11:46 tenplus1 this is what my desky lookslike: https://cn.pling.com/img//hive/content-pre1/151167-1.jpg 11:47 Raven262 That res lol 11:47 tenplus1 ehehe, IceWM and dark theme for toolbar/menu's... simple but my whole desky is only 140mb 11:47 Raven262 so thats what a 1920x1200 looks like 11:48 tenplus1 lol 11:49 Raven262 Well, I am on a lower resolution here, and it seems many games have support for widescreen and not for 5:4 11:49 tenplus1 aww, they want everyone on 16:9 I think 11:49 Raven262 Yeah 11:49 rdococ 16:10 is underrated 11:50 tenplus1 hi rdococ 11:50 tenplus1 how about 32:9 ... samsung has an ultrawide gaming monitor :D 11:50 tenplus1 http://static4.uk.businessinsider.com/image/593ab389da6dde481c4563d0-1200/behold-the-49-inch-chg90-super-ultrawide-gaming-monitor-from-samsung-samsungs-marketing-photo-simply-doesnt-do-justice-to-the-chg90s-incredible-super-ultra-width-so-here-it-is-displaying-an-excel-spreadsheet-to-help-put-it-into-perspective.jpg 11:50 tenplus1 ooh sorry, didnt think link was gonna be that huge 11:50 rdococ O_O 11:51 Fixer rdococ: it is not, manufactures just does not want to push it, since it is superior format, they sell it as PRO instead 11:51 Fixer tenplus1: nice for playing some strategy games 11:51 Fixer but looks ridiculous 11:52 tenplus1 very true... will stick with HD res 11:52 Fixer I wish notebooks had at least 16:10 11:53 tenplus1 my notebook is 1366x768 half HD... looks good 11:53 Fixer 4:3 notebooks screens were huuuge compared to 1366*768 15" shit they sell 11:53 Fixer in terms of physical sizes 11:54 Fixer it was less portable though 11:54 Fixer but more enjoyable to read 11:54 Fixer no need to scrool much 11:54 Fixer also dipshits from microsoft ofc pushed ribbon on those poor 16:9 craptop users so you just scroll scroll scroll scroll scroll like an idiot 11:55 tenplus1 yup... so much vertical space wasted with that ribbon crap 11:56 Fixer then you also end up with that hiding everything into ||| ass because nothing fits into that 16:9 crap 11:56 tenplus1 winblows has lost their way in Os design and interface usage, they messed up big 11:57 Fixer it lost long ago since XP pretty much 11:57 tenplus1 tbh xp was the best windows I had used... was simple and just worked... 11:57 Fixer when they started pushing it to housewife (tm) format 11:57 tenplus1 could patch it well to do many things 11:58 Fixer xp is good if you are a poweruser 11:59 tenplus1 now it seems the w10 Os requires a decent spec pc to simply run, let alone run your apps 12:00 Fixer running everything past XP on 10 year old stuff is nightmare 12:01 tenplus1 yet I have an ancient Compaq M2000 (is 18 years old now) that can quite happily run Lubuntu 18.04 with LXDE 12:05 Fixer try running Win7/10 on 10 years old lenovo craptop, just nightmare, xp will run just fine on it though 12:21 tenplus1 Q. What if farming required clean water to grow crops and sea water needed to be filtered before use ? 12:26 Fixer that will be way too much hardcore? 12:27 tenplus1 probably... would be fun though :) 12:27 tenplus1 might look into making it an optional setting, supply a charcoal filter or something 12:30 Fixer tenplus1: more interesting part is using weather for crop growth 12:30 Fixer yet particle rendering is not fixed 12:30 tenplus1 definitely, do we haev a weather mod that doesng lag servers ? 12:32 Fixer no idea 12:33 Fixer technicly not all water in minetest is sea water 12:33 tenplus1 we have river water that could be used for farming since it's clean... 12:33 Fixer tenplus1: actually one way is to spawn lakes with river water and then use it for farming 12:33 tenplus1 sea water (default) contains salt so irl wouldnt grow anything 12:33 Fixer yes 12:33 Fixer but river water is good for farming 12:34 Fixer but not mapgens have it 12:34 tenplus1 kinda wish v7 maps had lakes/rivers in them now 12:34 Fixer v7 has rivers... 12:34 tenplus1 that's why a filter of sorts would help de-salinate sea water into river water :D 12:46 celeron55 https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180525/10072939912/forget-gdpr-eus-new-copyright-proposal-will-be-complete-utter-disaster-internet.shtml 12:47 celeron55 https://saveyourinternet.eu/ 12:47 celeron55 this seems kind of important 12:47 tenplus1 hi celeron, checking 12:47 celeron55 an EU wide filter for all uploads, for... "copyright reasons" 12:48 tenplus1 gawd, more annoying eu stuffs 12:48 celeron55 clearly a wholly good idea 12:50 rubenwardy that second website is stupid 12:50 rubenwardy give me a list of emails, I'm not putting mine or my phone number into there 12:52 celeron55 as if the premise of an interent wide copyright scanner by law for huge copyright owners wasn't a bad enough idea, nobody will use this for political purposes of course 12:52 celeron55 everyone knows how nice for example youtube's system is 12:52 rubenwardy looks like it passes the implementation of the filter onto each site to scan for content 12:52 celeron55 small sites can't afford that 12:52 tenplus1 wb raven 12:53 rubenwardy however practically there will be central services to do it for the smaller sites 12:53 celeron55 like me 12:53 Raven262 thx ten 12:53 rubenwardy which isn't great 12:53 celeron55 that's just a huge waste of effort, passing this would be very stupid 12:53 celeron55 big artists and movies aren't this important 12:56 rubenwardy definitely not 12:56 sfan5 why is techdirt writing an article about this now 12:56 rubenwardy well, re: the small site thing 12:56 sfan5 this has been known for months 12:56 celeron55 i heard of this only now, the media is really irresponsible for not reporting on this 12:57 rubenwardy if robot may finally gets her wish and bans encryption, then there's not need for each site to implement their own filter 12:57 rubenwardy fuck porn ID 12:58 tenplus1 o.O ? 12:58 celeron55 some uk thing? 12:58 rubenwardy http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40630582 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-43370999 12:59 rubenwardy basically porn sites need to verify their users identity to verify their age 12:59 rubenwardy stupid nanny state 12:59 tenplus1 pfft, there's gonna be a hundred different ways to curcumvent that 12:59 tenplus1 they had the chance to register and use .xxx domain names years ago, and if they had done that they could easily block for kids and allow adults to get through 13:00 rubenwardy yeah, exactly 13:00 rubenwardy it's better to do this as an opt-in at the ISP level 13:00 celeron55 turning every citizen into a criminal is an easy totalitarian tactic 13:00 rubenwardy even easier if you require .xxx 13:00 tenplus1 if they just stop everyone gaining access there's gonna be hell to pay 13:00 rubenwardy well, it's a law on service providers 13:00 celeron55 then you can just jail anyone that you don't like 13:00 celeron55 because they've done something illegal anyway 13:01 sfan5 celeron55: github made a fuss about this a few months ago https://old.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/85d5ay/developer_nightmare_eu_wants_to_filter_all_code/ 13:01 rubenwardy our government is retarded and no one really cares 13:01 tenplus1 the eu sucks for all this nanny crap 13:02 celeron55 sfan5: oh actually, i think i did see it back then 13:02 celeron55 apparently it hasn't gone anywhere 13:02 sfan5 september last year, mentions the filters https://juliareda.eu/2017/09/when-filters-fail/ 13:03 celeron55 that's a nice write-up 13:07 celeron55 this seems to advance to a point where nobody has any energy to go against it 13:14 celeron55 it's just mind boggling how everyone thinks something is bad and still a law is made out of it 13:14 tenplus1 they always seem to make something out of nothing 13:15 celeron55 let's make a law mandating that everyone has to stab themselves with a knife every morning 13:16 celeron55 good idea? well, why'd that matter, just needs a lobbyist with a lot of money 13:17 celeron55 maybe a knife manufacturer who could also act as the certification agency of knifes 13:19 celeron55 the only problem with that idea really is that corporations with even more money (insurance ones) would be against it 13:21 celeron55 drug companies would be pleased (more sick people), but they need to maintain a positive image so they can't help the knife company 13:24 longerstaff13 heh, 2 1600x900 screens; one on my laptop and one external, looks awesome right? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/SlT4icce/Screenshot_20180531_142205.png 13:24 tenplus1 ooh 13:26 longerstaff13 an yeah, I am using the newest Kubuntu 13:26 longerstaff13 and* 13:26 longerstaff13 18.04 :P 13:26 tenplus1 w00t! 13:27 longerstaff13 lol 13:28 celeron55 actually playing that way must be painful 13:28 longerstaff13 yeah 13:28 longerstaff13 it's not very comfortable on the eyes XD 13:33 Krock hi tenplus1 13:33 Krock oh nice. still faster even when typing with one hand 13:34 * longerstaff13 wishes he could be accurate on the keys even with 2 hands :P 13:35 tenplus1 hi krock 13:36 Krock longerstaff13, lol 13:36 tenplus1 trawling through the eu guff for the year... it's annoying 13:36 Krock longerstaff13, bad timing is actually more annoying when one hand types faster than the other 13:36 longerstaff13 lol 13:37 xerox123_ Hello 13:37 longerstaff13 o/ 13:37 Krock hi xerox123_ 13:37 xerox123_ tenplus1: I went back to dual booting :D 13:37 tenplus1 hi xeroc 13:37 xerox123_ Hello 13:38 tenplus1 win7 or 10 ? 13:41 xerox123_ Win10 + xubuntu 18.04 13:51 tenplus1 ah kewl, does it work ok ? :) 13:52 tenplus1 lol 13:54 rdococ Windows 10 spyware™ 13:54 tenplus1 *shudder* 13:54 rdococ Microsoft knows what xerox123 watches in his free time™ 14:10 * tenplus1 wonders if the almighty google knows he watches Spongebob 14:11 tenplus1 damn, I gotta go buy real turkish delight now... been craving it since adding to farming... pah! brb 14:43 rdococ turkish delight doesn't taste as good as I thought it would 14:43 tenplus1 depends where you get them... the one's from dubai are very nice :D 15:05 BillyS The proof . . . by XKCD! : https://xkcd.com/1980/ 15:05 tenplus1 lololol 15:06 tenplus1 hi billy 15:06 tenplus1 the winter queen cant cook 15:06 BillyS Ah, that explains it. :P 15:06 BillyS ANf hi 15:06 BillyS *And 15:06 BillyS I edited the IRC mod today to support two networks 15:07 BillyS It's complicated 15:07 tenplus1 ooh 15:07 BillyS Although, all I really did was copy it into another mod, and edit them both to work nicely with each other 15:07 tenplus1 :P what networks 15:07 BillyS freenode and xeroxIRC 15:08 tenplus1 kewl :) 15:11 benrob0329 Krock: how's this? https://upload.totallynotashadyweb.site/f.php?h=1A-RzHtP&p=1 15:11 Krock looks shady 15:11 Krock but better 15:12 tenplus1 hi benrob 15:12 benrob0329 hi tenplus1 15:12 tenplus1 looks like a brick 15:13 Krock > having a subdomain for uploads but using index.php is not possible 15:13 Krock an ignitable brick 15:14 benrob0329 Krock: its a different server 15:15 benrob0329 tenplus1: a rounded brick though 15:15 tenplus1 fancy garden brick :D 15:15 benrob0329 but what d'ya know, my knowledge of 3D shading from my years of dinking around in blender came in handy 15:16 BillyS I've spent years messing with blender, and it STILL doesnt do what I want it to . . . 15:16 benrob0329 because I know how a cylinder looks :P 15:16 benrob0329 BillyS: yeah, that can happen 15:18 Krock BillyS, maybe blender messes with you and you don't do what it wants 15:18 BillyS xD 15:18 Krock perspectives. 15:18 benrob0329 The Blenders will take over the Earth one of these days 15:19 benrob0329 you thought it was going to be those humanoid androids in say, Detroit: Becoming Human? nah man, its the blenders 15:23 BillyS xD 15:24 benrob0329 I wonder if I could x11 forward my entire KDE session from my desktop 15:24 benrob0329 VNC is really slow 15:25 BillyS yep 15:25 BillyS I found RealVNC was decent, but then they kicked me out because I wasn't old enough 15:38 entuland should have called yourself "BillSr" 15:47 BillyS heh 15:47 Krock why not SillyB 15:47 BillyS I want to make default:chest's regard protection. Can I just do minetest.registered_nodes["default:chest"].allow_inventory_put = blah blah blah 15:48 BillyS Krock: Because I've chansed down and murdered everyone who calls me that. :P 15:48 tenplus1 nope... 15:48 BillyS *chased 15:48 BillyS Rats 15:48 Krock yes. 15:48 BillyS You can? 15:48 tenplus1 minetest.override_item("default:chest", {allow_inventory = blah}) 15:48 Krock tenplus1, that's the same 15:48 BillyS That works too 15:48 Krock Minetest doesn't care about that 15:49 BillyS But the minetest devs might. :P 15:49 tenplus1 use override feature 15:51 BillyS tenplus1: Is there such a thing as "allow_inventory", that allows/disallows transfer both ways? 15:52 tenplus1 this may help: https://github.com/tenplus1/protector/blob/master/doors_chest.lua#L484 15:52 BillyS kk 15:53 BillyS Does can_dig need to be added like that? 15:53 BillyS After all, if the chest is in a protected area, no one not added to the protection can dig it anyways 15:53 tenplus1 that's the protected chest that comes with protection redo, it acts like normal chest but goes by protection 15:54 BillyS Ah 16:36 tenplus1 hi fussel 16:36 IhrFussel Hello there^^ 16:40 Krock hi IhrFussel 16:40 Krock so.. server still in maintenance? 16:48 IhrFussel Krock, it worked for a few hours and now it's down again! But I was quick enough and managed to change my tariff 16:48 Krock lol nice timing then 16:53 IhrFussel tenplus1, I see that you removed the protection checks in the newer farming versions... does farming rely on some kind of builtin check for that now? 16:53 tenplus1 ?? protection checks ?? 16:53 ShadowBot To mark your land for protection, move to one corner, dig down into the ground, and do: /area_pos1 Then move to the other corner, build up into the sky, and do: /area_pos2 Then to actually claim it, do: /protect For more details, see https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8364 (Look under Land Ownership ). 16:54 IhrFussel Check if the position is protected... you had that included in the old farming versions 16:54 tenplus1 hoe's, hoebombs will check for protection 16:54 tenplus1 what other checks were there ? 16:54 IhrFussel There was one for beanpoles and trellis for example 16:56 tenplus1 free beanpole/trellis for whoever owns the land :D 16:56 tenplus1 but I'll look into it 16:58 tenplus1 those 2 items still have protection checks inside 16:58 xerox123 tenplus1: if Ive used your textures in a banner mod how do I correctly acknowledge they're yours? 16:59 tenplus1 license.txt file or a mention in the code itself 16:59 xerox123 http://i.imgur.com/ymaL9pJ.png 16:59 tenplus1 ? which texture have you used ? 17:00 xerox123 baked_clay_dark_green.png and others 17:00 tenplus1 ohh, lol... those are cc0 anyhoo 17:00 xerox123 cc0? 17:00 tenplus1 free to use, just gimmie mention :D 17:00 Krock ?? commands ?? 17:00 ShadowBot Krock: commands takes no arguments 17:01 xerox123 ok 17:01 xerox123 wait. or I can just add bakedclay to depends.txt right? 17:01 tenplus1 if it's just the textures you can use those in your mod, if bakedclay isnt installed then you'll need them anyhow 17:02 xerox123 ok, it's a fork of display_modpack anyways 17:03 xerox123 I tried to implement punching with dyes to change the colour, but couldn't figure that out 17:10 tenplus1 hi twoelk 17:10 twoelk o/ 17:13 tenplus1 added additional protection checks fussel (beans, grapes, cocoa pods) 17:22 Fixer https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4833 o_O 17:23 sfan5 oh that still exists 17:23 Krock ancient 17:23 tenplus1 lol 17:29 twoelk hey tenplus1 you seem to be working hard at keeping my attempt at making a wiki page for farming redo out of date :D 17:30 tenplus1 lol twoelk, sorry dude :) I only added a few items today, honest :P 17:31 twoelk now I got to playtest instead of writing on the wiki :-) 17:31 twoelk so little time so much to play, er test 17:32 tenplus1 :P cornstarch and turkish delight were the only additions really, the other 2 (agar and gelatin) are in ethereal and bonemeal to complete recipe 17:33 twoelk hm, wonder how this google docs thingy works ... 17:33 tenplus1 click link and .. OMG! they've taken over everything... 17:34 twoelk hm, got no google account, any known alternativs? 17:35 tenplus1 libreoffice is pretty good 17:37 Krock proprietary Office365 17:37 twoelk they got an live online version? I have been using openoffice since it was staroffice 17:38 Krock yes, was recently added to the version 6.0 17:41 tenplus1 hi sniper 17:41 twoelk so in case somebody might be wondering what the farming-redo table on the wiki might be heading at https://i.imgur.com/MjBtICw.png 17:42 tenplus1 detailed :P 17:42 sniper338 yo tenplus1! ಠ‿↼ 17:45 twoelk I don't quite understand the jumps in the scale column though 17:46 tenplus1 things like corn start growing as normal with 16px textures, but once they hit 2 nodes high (using 1 node) the scale will jump up as well for the 32px textures used 17:48 twoelk hm and that's why we have 0.006 and 0.06 values? note the change is factor of ten 17:49 tenplus1 oh you mean scale as in mapgen decoration 17:49 tenplus1 thought u meant node size :P 17:49 twoelk yeah, node size is not included in the table 17:50 tenplus1 scale went from 0.06 to 0.0006 so that crops dont overrun biomes... 17:50 tenplus1 I've made them appear just enough for players to collect and farm them :) 17:52 twoelk anyways looking up stuff for the table helped me understand why I sometimes didn't find plants like peas or grapes - the areas I searched simply lacked higher terrain 17:53 twoelk now that I know I think that pretty neat 17:53 tenplus1 yeah, I tried to have certain crops grow in the higher/lower/hotter/colder regions they were from 18:06 benrob0329 tenplus1: Calligra Office is pretty cool too 18:06 tenplus1 :P 18:13 Mr_Pardison \o 18:13 tenplus1 hi mister 18:14 tenplus1 Itemframes updated - has on_burn for itemframe, tweak code slightly 18:15 Mr_Pardison oh yay now I can pillage and burn almost the entire village :P 18:15 tenplus1 lol 18:16 tenplus1 pedestals wont burn but itemframes will drop item inside if they do 18:18 tenplus1 also has mvps support so that mesecons pusher/mover cannot move either pedestal or itemframe 18:24 rdococ Office: Proprietary 365™ 18:26 Mr_Pardison yup 18:27 Krock hi Mr_Pardison 18:27 rdococ Discord, or ProprietaryIRCRipoff™ 18:27 Mr_Pardison greetings, duck. 18:28 rdococ Release the duck swarm. 18:28 benrob0329 rdococ: release the tardis! 18:28 rdococ No! The TARDIS is mine! 18:29 benrob0329 tbh I need to finish that mod at some point 18:29 benrob0329 but I haven't had much of any extra time lately 18:29 tenplus1 mega-duck has been released on the world: https://static.planetminecraft.com/files/resource_media/screenshot/1237/2012-09-16_184900_3608169.jpg 18:29 Krock oh god. run away as long you can 18:30 longerstaff13 lol 18:30 Mr_Pardison or just get a giant flamethrower and cook the duck. 18:30 Krock heh.. six years old 18:30 Mr_Pardison might be a bit crispy. 18:32 rdococ Word of the day: you'e 18:32 Krock you'en't 18:32 tenplus1 lol 18:32 tenplus1 google can't even 18:35 rdococ "you what?" -> "y'wat?" 18:41 tenplus1 y'tho? 18:42 rdococ "y tho?" is short for "why though", you wouldn't say "y'tho" as that'd be "you tho" 18:43 tenplus1 :P 18:52 IhrFussel tenplus1, so was, without the added checks, basically anyone allowed to place beanpoles/trellis at every position no matter if protected or not? Or was that handled in a different way? 18:53 tenplus1 the checks were already there before, the new checks stop players placing beans/grapes/cocoa beans in their pole/trellis/jungletrunk 18:56 IhrFussel tenplus1, I didn't see a minetest.is_protected() check though...is it handled in on_place()? 18:56 * twoelk imagines growing coca off his junglewood chest 18:56 twoelk *cocoa 18:56 tenplus1 the crop on_place, beanpole_on_place and trellis_on_place already had checks for the item itself, I added for the crops going into them 18:58 tenplus1 I didnt mind so much players putting beans or grapes into a protected pole.trellis, was their loss ine end :P 18:59 IhrFussel Ah I see now...the actual beanpole/trelli definition is down below 18:59 tenplus1 :P 19:00 IhrFussel Is the placing/digging of farming items logged? 19:01 tenplus1 no, does it need to be ? 19:01 IhrFussel That can be useful to see which player griefed a certain farm or stole fruit from it 19:01 tenplus1 digging crops is alraedy logged by engine 19:01 tenplus1 placing crops isnt too important I woulda thought... is only crops ?!?! 19:02 twoelk hm rogue farmers 19:02 tenplus1 imma gonna grief your fertile farmland with rhubarb!!! 19:03 IhrFussel I personally think that any item placed/dug should be logged since that's what the log is for 19:03 twoelk actually if I had a farmer npc would that be covered by farming redo to not cause havoc? 19:03 IhrFussel Sometimes I need to check a certain log entry for something that got destroyed and get mad when it's not logged 19:04 tenplus1 like I said, digging items are logged already by game, placing crops isnt logged but I could add at some point, not important just now 19:04 IhrFussel The worst is chests that don't log actions 19:05 twoelk to many logging events cause lag sooner or later 19:05 twoelk *too 19:05 IhrFussel Every item with a custom on_place() function will not get logged AFAIK 19:05 tenplus1 yeah, I have logs disabled 19:06 IhrFussel Logs shouldn't cause lag...maybe on older HDDs they do 19:06 IhrFussel That's a few bytes at once to write 19:07 twoelk maybe there should be an option that if a log-file reaches a certain size it is closed and a new one started 19:07 twoelk opening and closing huge files is often a problem 19:08 tenplus1 xanadu has reset logs, copies terminal output to date-time.log and then starts a new one each time it's reset 19:08 tenplus1 but only to check crashes or issue and then it's deleted 19:09 Mr_Pardison smart. 19:09 IhrFussel My debug.txt is 2.8 GB 19:09 tenplus1 ouch!!! 19:09 Krock rm -rf /* 19:09 Krock s/\/\*/debug.txt/ 19:09 tenplus1 I also disable recovery and cheating to keep things quick 19:09 IhrFussel First line is from Jan 4 19:11 * twoelk glances at the clock and realizes he needs to get on the road 19:11 twoelk have fun 19:11 tenplus1 cya 19:13 IhrFussel Before Jan 4 I did sometimes echo $(tail -n 3000000 debug.txt)" > debug.txt 19:14 IhrFussel Wow, 31 MILLION lines 19:14 tenplus1 damn 19:15 IhrFussel I think I will run that command now maybe it helps with lag 19:15 Mr_Pardison should. 19:16 sfan5 that's a very ineffcient way of truncting debug.txt 19:16 tenplus1 why do you keep the logs ? 19:16 tenplus1 dont you have admin to assist in unruly players ? 19:16 IhrFussel From 3 GB down to 250 MB 19:17 Krock meanwhile my debug.txt file is 205 kB 19:18 tenplus1 there must be a way to limit what's output to logs, or at least tidy it up enough to shrink it down 19:19 sniper338 --quiet? 19:20 Krock log level to "none" 8) 19:20 tenplus1 I mean output in general, what it displays... is there any way to shrink that part down when it's logging 19:21 tenplus1 e.g. "2018-05-31 20:19:45: ACTION[Server]: singleplayer places node default:sand at (-1,9,19)" 19:21 IhrFussel Those lines are essential when you are a coorperative admin and agree to search for a griefer 19:31 rdococ A'do like to say yǝy 19:31 tenplus1 heh 19:32 rdococ The upside down ǝ 19:34 rdococ tenplus1: Adecided to remove the apostrophe. 19:35 tenplus1 and made a whole new word in the process :P 19:36 rdococ Awill say yay. Only problem might be if y'wanted to say something like "I am a yay", which becomes "Aam a yay"... might change that to "'am a yay" 19:50 tenplus1 wb 20:24 tenplus1 nite folks o/ 20:41 xerox123 never seen an error like this before: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XD5DvTkYY4/ 20:45 xerox123 any help would be great :D 20:48 rdococ Yay! 20:53 xerox123 fixed that :D 21:01 rdococ The yays get stronger with every fix 22:01 paramat hi Raven262 , too much off topic OS talk here today, see channel rules :) please take long off topic to #minetest-chat 22:03 paramat !tell tenplus1 , too much off topic OS talk here today :) please use #minetest-chat 22:03 MinetestBot paramat: I'll pass that on when tenplus1 is around 22:12 xerox123 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Kk2MyfYWqX/ I can't get the recipe to work at all (see bottom) 22:22 BakerPrime Hmm. :/ 22:23 xerox123 I want it so any colour large sign can be mixed with any dye to make the dye's colour sign 22:39 Raven262 The problem is, no one talks in minetest-chat, paramat! Just kidding, sorry for offtopic talk, but I never meant it to be that lengthy. 22:43 paramat :) 22:43 xerox123 can someone help me? :P 22:54 rud0lf bannercolor in pairs(bannercolor) ? 22:54 rud0lf looks like overlap to me