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00:53 Jordach https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/999787845127634944
00:58 paramat sofar VanessaE can anyone OP me in dev? someone needs kicking
00:58 paramat unfortunately looks like we can't OP anyone
00:59 Shara Why the hell don't all devs have op in -dev?
01:04 paramat yes we need some OPs there for when sfan isn't around
01:05 Shara ruben also isn't there
01:05 Shara I don't know if kicking them is the right approach either way, but it's good to have people available who can
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03:50 VanessaE when did I get ops in #-dev anyway?  I don't even remember :P
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11:03 Krock hmm.. the entire computer sounds a little different now after an overall fan and PCB cleaning using compressed air
11:04 Krock probably the dust reduced the vibrations a bit :3
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12:32 Fixer n o b o d y  h e r e
12:39 Krock f i f t y  s i x  p e o p l e  h e r e  b u t  o n l y  t w o  a c t i v e
12:44 * twoelk might be sleeping with eyes open
12:52 twoelk hm, wonder how much work it would be to rewrite this for minetest https://github.com/Shadows-of-Fire/Plants
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13:03 IhrFussel latimes.com << try to click it as EU citizen
13:06 rubenwardy Lol
13:06 rubenwardy Probably shit anyway
13:19 Krock latimes? the site where you can rickroll people with appealing news titles?
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13:20 Krock https://www.latlmes.com/tech/new-spectre-varian-discovered-how-to-secur-1
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13:40 twoelk how do minecraft servers handle the GDPR issues?
13:45 rubenwardy just IP address doesn't count
13:45 rubenwardy only if you ask for age/realname/location/etc
13:50 IhrFussel https://eugdprcompliant.com/personal-data/
13:50 IhrFussel "The conclusion is, all IP addresses should be treated as personal data, in order to be GDPR compliant."
13:51 IhrFussel So even simple logging of IPs is not allowed or is restricted (need to remove/anonymize after some time)
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14:03 xerox123 done with exams this week, today was English Literature
14:03 ANAND congrats! :)
14:04 xerox123 but the other half of my exams are after a weeks break
14:04 xerox123 lol
14:04 ANAND XD
14:04 ANAND Mine haven't even started yet...
14:07 xerox123 how to make IRC services somewhat GPR compliant
14:07 xerox123 [25-May 15:01:33] -Notice- {from NickServ} address. Your email address will be stored on file so
14:07 xerox123 [25-May 15:01:33] -Notice- {from NickServ} you can IDENTIFY to your account.
14:08 xerox123 state the obvious so computer-illiterate people can understand the simplest of things
14:08 ANAND lol
14:16 IhrFussel On websites server owners can just use a privacy policy that states the logging of IP addresses and asks visitors for consent...but what about ingame?
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14:16 tenplus1 hi folks
14:17 IhrFussel I'm pretty sure that ALL server owners will have to add some kind of data policy as formspec or something similar to be GDPR compliant
14:17 tenplus1 hi fussel
14:18 tenplus1 we dont really store any data that's personal to the player
14:18 IhrFussel Possibly the devs would have to add a new tab in Minetest as well
14:19 IhrFussel tenplus1, IP adresses are generally considered personal data and most lawyers agree that even web server logs fall under GDPR
14:19 tenplus1 hrmmm
14:20 IhrFussel https://eugdprcompliant.com/personal-data/
14:20 IhrFussel I already posted this link earlier
14:20 tenplus1 is this only for servers based in EU >
14:21 IhrFussel Nope, it pretty much applies to anyone who manages EU citizen's data
14:21 IhrFussel processes*
14:21 tenplus1 https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/gdpr-and-minecraft-communities-thoughts-and-discussion.286526/
14:22 nerzhul minetest doesn'th have anything to do with personal data
14:22 nerzhul we don't store anywhere personal data
14:23 tenplus1 that's what I was thinking...
14:23 tenplus1 we deal with usernames and passwords, what's said in the game isnt really personal information, just chatter
14:23 IhrFussel "mywarthog" this guy is also active on other sites and stated the same bullcrap
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14:24 tenplus1 o/ Jordach
14:25 IhrFussel If US companies *would* think that the GDPR cannot be applied to US people then they wouldn't have gone through this long process to be compliant...they also wouldn't feel the need to block EU users/shutdown entirely
14:25 IhrFussel nerzhul, IP IS personal, whether you think it is or not
14:29 tenplus1 I dont agree with IP, that leads to a device and is not personal information
14:29 tenplus1 anyone could be using the machine it originates from, or could be dynamic ip's...
14:31 Jordach *whips up a server mod containing a short intro for GDPR compliance*
14:32 tenplus1 forget formspecs and the like, I'd basically print a message in the server greeting to keep it compliant
14:32 Jordach no
14:33 Jordach having it attached to a formspec with two buttons with accept and decline
14:33 tenplus1 "Welcome to Xanadu - In compliance with the EU's GDPR ruling on data protection we may store the players IP address, disconnect from server if you do not agree"
14:34 IhrFussel tenplus1, you should add the reason for the storing...generally "for security purposes"
14:35 IhrFussel Also that doesn't require consent...it just needs to be stated somewhere
14:35 IhrFussel On websites that would be the privacy policy...but in the game it would have to be some kind of formspec probably
14:37 IhrFussel But not sure how to implement that...maybe anew button in the inventory...but then again how to tell players that the button leads to the privacy policy ... or via a command? Probably too hidden
14:38 tenplus1 it's oh so annoying
14:38 Krock tenplus1, but then you may not log any IP address until they were able to read and quit
14:38 Krock if you claim this, then on_joinplayer and on_leaveplayer may not always log the IP
14:38 tenplus1 o/ krock
14:38 Krock o/ tenplus1
14:39 tenplus1 true, nothing is being saved... I could VIEW a players ip address if they are doing something untoward on server and I need to check where they are from, but in that case it's security
14:39 IhrFussel AFAIK the consent stuff only applies to things that are not *necessary* to run the service and must be optional...so IP addresses and session cookies for example fall under the exception and only need to be stated in the policy
14:46 tenplus1 will think of an motd greeting that covers what it needs to... but am not adding a formspec for this annoyance
14:53 Jordach Calinou: it's cisouns birthday today
14:53 Jordach tenplus1: ^
14:56 tenplus1 thx jordach, will shrink it down a tad and display as message of the day :D
14:56 Jordach tenplus1: formspec it
14:57 tenplus1 nope
14:57 tenplus1 I dont wanna annoy players with a formspec each time they join
14:57 Jordach tenplus1: use on_join_newplayer
14:57 tenplus1 even though current players have never agreed to the formspec
14:58 Jordach players who exit the formspec are considered as agreeing users
14:59 Jordach though i'm tempted to reshow it
14:59 Jordach on any escape or double clicking outside of it
15:02 tenplus1 on_join if player attribute "privacy" not true then show formspec, if agree then set to true blah blah, works for all
15:04 Jordach thats what i was planning
15:04 tenplus1 :PP
15:04 Jordach along with a copy of the original email salt
15:04 Jordach IhrFussel: i have debug.txt explicitly set to crashes only
15:04 * tenplus1 disables logging andhas live terminal
15:05 Jordach my auto-reload script even contains a handy dandy debug.txt renamer containing the time of the crash
15:06 IhrFussel Also that will barely fit into a mobile screen without lots of scrolling
15:06 tenplus1 lol
15:06 Jordach i'll probably aim for something like 720p size
15:06 Jordach i use low resolutions for testing formspecs over HiDPI
15:07 nerzhul i don't remember what GPDR said about the IP
15:07 * tenplus1 sells all his player id's to the germans
15:07 Jordach kek
15:07 IhrFussel I'm pretty sure that a "corrupted" policy is against GDPR too so if EU users with a tiny screen connect and can't see everything it counts as non-existent
15:08 Jordach IhrFussel: raison d'être to test this on phone displays
15:09 Jordach luckily i can enforce 16:9 mode on my Galaxy Note 8
15:09 Jordach nerzhul: feeling like making an apk for 0.5-dev
15:09 IhrFussel Some MT clients have a huge font and can only see 20-30 chars per formspec line ... MT couldn't possibly comply with the requirements in 100% of cases
15:09 Fixer throw rocks at me but stuff like GDPR is needed, time of Wild West selling off my privacy should be stopped
15:10 Fixer i did not gave permission to anyone to track me
15:10 IhrFussel Unless line-wrapping exists but I didn't find such a flag in formspecs yet
15:11 Jordach IhrFussel: editable text fields do so
15:11 tenplus1 that's exactly it Fixer, unless you opt-in to them selling your data, the default is DONT do anything with it...
15:11 IhrFussel That would look extremely ugly
15:12 Fixer some street hooker knows more about me, my political views, friends, what I do and when is no go
15:12 tenplus1 saves a shit ton of formspecs and messages and text informing players that will jsut be ignored
15:12 Jordach https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2253
15:12 Fixer i'm not on social media, so don't start trolling, wasting your time :}
15:13 IhrFussel I just hope server owners cannot possibly be made responsible for the ads certain clients display when playing on a server
15:13 Fixer google/facebook/whatever should be accountable
15:13 Jordach tbh i use youtube for watching techmoan and kitten livesteams at this point
15:14 Krock IhrFussel, scrollable and read-only linewrapping textareas exist in 0.5.0-dev :P
15:14 Jordach skip releasing 0.4.17
15:15 Jordach enforce 0.5 now
15:15 Krock Jordach, you'd suffer from crashes
15:15 Jordach kek
15:16 Jordach apple are doing something right, my zipped data archive from them is less than 2mb
15:16 Fixer 0.5.0 is unstable right now
15:17 Fixer for real
15:17 tenplus1 what made it unstable ?
15:17 Fixer bugs leading to crashes
15:17 Fixer there is big page of recent backtraces
15:17 Fixer from Krock, paramat, me
15:19 Fixer i'm not doing my part well enough honestly
15:19 tenplus1 what does Enable CBO do in gfx ?
15:20 tenplus1 *VBO
15:20 nerzhul Fixer why ?
15:20 Fixer uses VBO techology that can speed up rendering a bit
15:20 nerzhul where it's unstable ? is the binary crashing
15:20 Fixer nerzhul: crashing
15:20 nerzhul issue has been reported ?
15:20 Fixer yes, one moment
15:21 Fixer nerzhul: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7272
15:23 Calinou hi :)
15:23 tenplus1 hi Cal
15:25 Krock hi Calinou
15:31 Fixer hi Calinou
15:57 Fixer https://twitter.com/roozbeh52/status/999295206842421248
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16:01 tenplus1 hi mister
16:02 Mr_Pardison Ahoy 10+1
16:03 tenplus1 nice :PP
16:04 Mr_Pardison Will b installing MT shortly.
16:04 tenplus1 1+'s are quite good
16:05 xerox123 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QP6pm1DM1Q
16:05 Mr_Pardison Unlimited data so I can host a wifi hotspot and use my laptop :D
16:06 Mr_Pardison Speaking of which...
16:06 tenplus1 ooh
16:19 lisac hmm is there a way to copy text from the ingame chat?
16:22 tenplus1 hi lisac, I dont think so, at least not in linux version
16:22 lisac hey tenplus1
16:22 lisac yeah, would be great if we could copy and paste text into it
16:22 lisac mouse is already un-trapped when you open chat
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16:35 tenplus1 o/
16:44 Krock lisac, pasting into the chat prompt is already possible but copying is really missing :/
17:37 Shara Full day dealing with GDPR... come home thinking "MT will be a great break from this madness"...
17:37 * Shara sighs
17:37 twoelk indeed taking a screenshot is the only way to >copy< a complicated url given in chat - not sure how mobil phone users should use that
17:51 IhrFussel Shara, MT server owners have it relatively easy to comply (unless they implement ads/other services into the game)
17:51 Shara Fussel, I'm very aware.
17:51 IhrFussel I still want to be on the safe side and not risk any trouble
17:51 Shara Just see so much nonsense everywhere with people misinterpreting it or overcomplicating it.
17:53 Shara People make some quite ridiculous claims (not specifically about this channel, but that I've read elsewhere)
18:01 IhrFussel I'm talking to someone at #gdpr right now ... they say "But if you're using the ip address just for looking up the user, then I guess you need their consent."
18:07 Shara That seems really weird to me. Consent is only one mechanism for collecting information, and it's impossible to get before they join (thus meaning you already have the IP address)
18:09 Shara I'd factor in collection of IP addresses under legitimate interests instead (which will allow use of it for security purposes - rely on consent and an attacker can tell you they don't give consent and you can't protect against them)
18:09 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/n9bRK.png
18:10 IhrFussel Shara, I asked them if they think it would be enough to display a formspec on join and basically telling them what the IP + username are used for and offer 2 buttons "Yes" and "No" where "No" disconnects them
18:10 Shara rubenwardy:  :D
18:10 Krock rubenwardy, no way backwards. the only option is to press Delete
18:10 rubenwardy lol
18:10 rubenwardy good point
18:12 rubenwardy also, https://github.com/minetest/contentdb
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18:14 Shara :)
18:15 Calinou https://codepen.io/zoka123/full/erwKdm/
18:15 Calinou try not to accept it!
18:17 Krock Calinou, nothing happens when pressing it. FAKE
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18:42 Krock feels bad man. Swapped at least 1.8 GiB of RAM to HDD :3
19:04 longerstaff13 Does any other British lose their power for a few seconds everytime it rains?
19:04 rubenwardy no, lol?
19:04 rubenwardy the internet tends to be slower
19:04 rubenwardy but power is fine
19:04 longerstaff13 My house does, it's annoying
19:04 Shara haven't noticed either happen here
19:14 tenplus1 back
19:14 xerox123 welcome back
19:15 tenplus1 hi xerox
19:15 xerox123 hello
19:15 tenplus1 was working on a wee surprise for Xanadu :PPPP
19:16 xerox123 nice
19:16 Shara ohh?
19:16 xerox123 not entirely sure what I've been doing for the last few hours
19:17 xerox123 :P
19:17 tenplus1 ehehe, working on schematics here for arena's
19:21 rubenwardy only 1 package away from 100 :)   https://content.minetest.net/
19:21 rubenwardy who'd like to have package id=100?
19:23 tenplus1 did you add mobs_monsters ???
19:23 Shara It's there
19:23 tenplus1 yay
19:23 rubenwardy https://content.minetest.net/users/TenPlus1/
19:24 rubenwardy GreenDimond has been adding loads
19:24 tenplus1 lucky block mod plz
19:24 Shara tenplus1: you can add them
19:24 rubenwardy yeah, that ^
19:24 tenplus1 I can ?
19:24 Shara Yup
19:25 tenplus1 wont let me sign in using git logon
19:26 rubenwardy try this: https://content.minetest.net/user/github/start/
19:27 rubenwardy oh yay :D
19:30 rubenwardy is it worth working on sign-ins without Github before making an announcement on the forums?
19:35 Shara Just maybe add a help file explaining how to join so it's easier for people to understand?
19:39 tenplus1 wants me to create release for lucky blocks ?!?!?!
19:41 Shara yes
19:41 Shara make package, then make release for package
19:41 rubenwardy the release can be a date
19:42 rubenwardy eg:   2018-05-25
19:42 rubenwardy it's so that Minetest can see that there's an update
19:44 tenplus1 ? how'd the others get included without me doing so
19:44 rubenwardy GreenDimond and I made them
19:44 rubenwardy mostly GD
19:45 rubenwardy people of the Editor rank can create and edit packages on behalf of other people
19:49 tenplus1 how'd I add a release thing ?
19:50 rubenwardy click create release
19:50 Shara CReate Release button in package
19:50 rubenwardy give it a name - for example the date the last commit was
19:50 rubenwardy and click create
19:50 * Shara pokes ruben for being quicker :P
19:50 rubenwardy it'll automatically import from github
19:51 tenplus1 waiting to be apprioved
19:51 rubenwardy done
19:51 rubenwardy should add a screenshot :)
19:51 rubenwardy it automagically gets them from screenshot.png in the repo
19:51 tenplus1 I did
19:51 tenplus1 screenshot.jpg
19:52 rubenwardy oh, it needs to be png
19:52 tenplus1 damn
19:52 rubenwardy I'll add support for jpg at some point
19:52 Sokomine rubenwardy: what does it take to add a mod to your packages? the page as such looks nice. my mods seem to be missing?
19:52 rubenwardy Sokomine: it's done manually
19:52 rubenwardy well
19:52 Sokomine didn't have much time recently to catch up reading forum and chat here
19:52 rubenwardy lots of the stuff is automatic
19:52 rubenwardy but you need to look over the stuff it detects, to much sure it's correct
19:53 Sokomine rubenwardy: manually? with all those thousands of mods out there? i gave up creating tags/categories years ago while there where still hundereds/thousands less...
19:53 Sokomine ah
19:53 rubenwardy there will be a to-add list soon
19:53 rubenwardy which has all the mods on the forum which don't have a listing
19:53 rubenwardy you'll then be able to click a button, and it'll try and find meta
19:54 rubenwardy powered by Krock's mod list[tm]
19:54 Shara This system is good, since it at least means there is some level of reviewing. Much more difficult for completely broken mods to show up in the in-client list
19:55 rubenwardy Krock's mod list is used in two places there already, it's pretty handy
19:55 tenplus1 Xanadu updated with new surprise for anyone wanting to play lucky blocks :D
19:56 Sokomine ah. i love krocks mod search
19:56 rubenwardy I use it to automagically find the forum topic ID
19:57 rubenwardy and also get a list of all authors so I can pre-make them
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19:57 rubenwardy does MT even support screenshot.jpg?
19:57 rubenwardy what other formats?
19:58 tenplus1 added ./png screeny
19:58 tenplus1 hi misster
19:58 Mr_Pardison ahoy
19:58 rubenwardy imported
19:58 rubenwardy one of the admin features is to re-check the github repo for screenshot.png :)
19:59 rubenwardy promoted you to Editor, tenplus1
19:59 tenplus1 :PPP
20:00 tenplus1 am just happy to add lucky blocks
20:00 * Mr_Pardison hands tenplus1 the stereotypical desk lamp with a green glass shade
20:00 Sokomine hmpf. those screenshots are annoying work
20:01 Sokomine the ones in the forum threads tend to disappear over the years :-( it sometimes feels as if image hosters deliberately go down after i made all the work of switching the images over to them :-( it's a conspirarcy! :/
20:02 tenplus1 lol
20:02 tenplus1 I used tinyurl for most of mine, gotta re-add them  suppose
20:03 Sokomine the ones hostet on the forum work fine. but that wasn't available from the beginning. and requires dummy postings for adding more than three of them
20:03 Shara Doesn't contentdb take the screenshot from the github repo, if it's there?
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20:03 rubenwardy yes
20:03 Shara good, thought I was going mad for a moment
20:03 Sokomine if it's there...that...er..is the problem with my mods i'm afraid. screenshots are so big...i never truely felt like including them in the repro
20:04 Shara Sokomine: they are as big as you make them
20:04 tenplus1 400px wide with 32 colours png format... 10kb or so
20:04 Shara ^
20:04 rubenwardy the website still doesn't have thumbnail generation
20:04 rubenwardy should probably do that at some point
20:05 rubenwardy I'm dreading that almost as much as adding proper log ins
20:07 tenplus1 :P
20:07 tenplus1 nite folks o/
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20:48 Sokomine hmm...i try to do screenshots in a smaller window and use .jpg for smaller size. that helps a bit...but it's still quite some file size
20:49 Sokomine mt itself ought to take screenshots whenever leaving a server or world so that players can identify servers and worlds more easily
20:49 Shara That would create crazy amounts of screenshot clutter
20:50 Sokomine small ones :-)
20:50 Sokomine and just one per server/world
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21:03 rubenwardy this is gonna be a fun package for the "Required by" bit: https://content.minetest.net/packages/Minetest/minetest_game/
21:07 Shara I'm not adding it to mine even when it might be required... because it's generally default which is required, which is in many other games as well
21:07 Shara I don't want to make things more MTG focused than they actually are
21:12 rubenwardy not sure on what the approach should be tb
21:13 Shara It's weird to say somethign depends on a game
21:13 rubenwardy yeah
21:13 rubenwardy technically it does, still a bit weird
21:13 Shara I'd like to see a way to add dependencies that are not also packages
21:14 rubenwardy that won't be needed eventually :)
21:14 rubenwardy it's also pointless for the purposes of the db
21:14 Shara You plan to include default as a separate package?
21:14 rubenwardy as the only need for them is so the installer can grab any dependencies
21:14 rubenwardy no
21:15 rubenwardy package dependencies doesn't necessarily equal depends.txt. The point is that it's so the in-menu installer knows what else it needs to grab
21:15 rubenwardy *don't
21:15 rubenwardy maybe it should have meta-packages though
21:15 Shara hmm
21:15 rubenwardy so you could depend on "mobs"
21:16 Shara It grabbing a whole game would be weird though
21:16 rubenwardy and it'd allow you to install any of simple mobs, mobs redo, or another fork
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21:16 rubenwardy same for farming
21:16 rubenwardy either MTG or farming redo
21:16 rubenwardy not entirely sure how to implement that though
21:17 rubenwardy new type I guess
21:17 Shara If I select a mod I want, maybe I'm using my own custom game that happens to include default but nothing else from MTG. But then the db might only know MTG as a source for default, so I get a whole game when I wanted one mod?
21:18 rubenwardy with meta-packages it'd know that your game supplies a default
21:19 rubenwardy argh, this sucks
21:19 rubenwardy might have to implement my own change password form
21:19 rubenwardy ewww
21:21 * rubenwardy sighs
21:21 rubenwardy Amaz: you didn't make LOTT!! :O
21:22 Amaz I'm mainly in charge of it now :P
21:22 Amaz fishyWET/neinwhal has handed it over to me mostly :)
21:22 rubenwardy hmm
21:23 Amaz Is there a way to put it in the name of multiple people, or a github organisation?
21:23 Sokomine Shara: perhaps that new mod database/installer is not aimed at people that know what they do?
21:23 rubenwardy I'll leave it for now
21:23 Amaz That would be ideal
21:25 rubenwardy good to see another game anyhow
21:25 rubenwardy I like how the games increase in brightness here: https://content.minetest.net/packages/?type=game
21:25 rubenwardy surely LOTT should be darker than MTG though? \o/
21:26 Shara :D
21:26 Amaz Yeah, I wanted to add it to populate the games section :)
21:26 Amaz *to help populate
21:26 Amaz fishyWET said it was okay :P
21:27 rubenwardy fine by me then
21:27 rubenwardy I do need to make it so that the in-menu installer works independently of author name
21:27 rubenwardy maybe replace it with a package id
21:35 Amaz rubenwardy: If a mod soft-depends on mods not on the content db, should they be listed in the soft-depends field or not?
21:35 rubenwardy the mods will have to be added
21:36 rubenwardy if you make the mod
21:36 rubenwardy I'll then go through and add the ones it soft depends on before approving
21:36 Amaz Okay :)
21:37 Sokomine lott is quite a nice game, yes
21:38 Shara I've only poked it a little, but it does seem very well done
21:42 Amaz That's good, if you poked it too much, it would probably begin falling apart :P Its code and structure are a mess...
21:42 Mr_Pardison So, it's kind of like swiss chesse.
21:43 BillyS swiss chess? :P
21:43 Shara Amaz: one day I'll make the game I am working on public, then you will meet mess :D
21:43 Mr_Pardison Spell check on FF doesn't seem to work.
21:44 BillyS Hehe, none of you have seen "mess" yet, I'll bet.
21:45 Shara Is your mess public?
21:45 BillyS My code looks like it was run through an obfusticator, code-golfed, and then zipped.
21:45 Mr_Pardison in the dictionary, if you look up mess, you will see a picture of my room. synonyms also include disaster zone and fire hazard
21:45 BillyS No, I'm too embarrased. :P
21:45 Shara Hmm
21:45 BillyS Mr_Pardison: LOL
21:45 Shara But BillyS, now you just make me want to see it :D
21:45 BillyS xD
21:47 Shara There are so many things I want to add to the game that it's just silly really
21:47 rubenwardy Amaz: done
21:47 rubenwardy oops
21:47 rubenwardy now done
21:48 Amaz rubenwardy: Thanks!
21:48 BillyS Shara: Here is one of the not-so-great but still readable pieces: https://github.com/Billy-S/IBot
21:48 Amaz Shara: I know that feeling...
21:49 Sokomine Shara: yes, it's sometimes tricky to find out where to end and declare it finished (for now). you'll eventually have to. else nobody can play it...
21:49 Shara Sokomine: of course, but at the moment it's mostly environment without much gameplay in place
21:49 Sokomine doesn't have to be perfect :-)
21:49 BillyS Damnit, I just made my passwords public #epicfail
21:49 Amaz And the problem is finding time to add it, and then finding the ability to not get sidetracked and go down a hundred different side projects each tangentially related to the original point.
21:50 Shara And also figuring out how to do it
21:50 Sokomine gameplay costs a lot of time to implement. and one of the great parts about such a sandbox game is that you can build your own castle :-)
21:50 Sokomine oh yes...
21:50 * Sokomine moans about some of her projects and nods to amaz
21:50 BillyS Fixed that
21:51 Shara HW is very much from scratch. Not reusing much from MTG or other games at all.
21:51 Shara BillyS: you do realise people can view previous commits?
21:51 Amaz Yep, I've gone down that route with my (very much wip) rewrite of LOTT...
21:52 Amaz (Not taking many things from anywhere else)
21:52 BillyS Shara: Well . .
21:52 rubenwardy hope you don't use that elsewhere
21:52 BillyS I didn't
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21:53 rubenwardy and you  better change it now
21:53 Mr_Pardison BillyS: take down the repo and re-upload it.
21:53 BillyS It's only for a private ZNC, so not such a big deal
21:54 * BillyS preses the "Burn" button
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22:23 Mr_Pardison 'ello tumeninodes
22:23 tumeninodes howdy Mr_Pardnerson (see what I did there?)
22:24 Shara I'd groan but... that one's actually not bad
22:24 tumeninodes rubenwardy: CDB does not take "default" as a a dep?
22:24 Shara Hi tumeninodes :)
22:24 tumeninodes :D
22:24 tumeninodes Hi Shara
22:25 rubenwardy tumeninodes: undecided on what to do with that
22:25 rubenwardy just use Minetest Game for now
22:25 rubenwardy will probably change in future
22:25 tumeninodes nothing I do is "bad"..., just maximumly annoying
22:25 rubenwardy at least using Minetest Game will allow a list of mods which would be replaced with more refined deps
22:25 tumeninodes ah, ok. nice work btw
22:27 A-Hamilton tumeninodes: that wasn't half bad. delivery needs a bit of work tho.
22:29 tumeninodes I used a drawl n everything though
22:29 tumeninodes I challenge you to a duel sir...
22:30 A-Hamilton Pardison any spelling errors as FF does not want to use spellcheck.
22:31 tumeninodes so, you won't duel then? :P
22:31 A-Hamilton I apologize if I offended you in any way.
22:32 tumeninodes I am virtually, unoffendable ; )
22:33 rubenwardy approved, tumi
22:33 tumeninodes cool. of course I started with my worst haha
22:34 tumeninodes no, I just challenged you to a duel because I know how it will end
22:34 A-Hamilton .....
22:34 tumeninodes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burr%E2%80%93Hamilton_duel
22:34 A-Hamilton guh....
22:35 tumeninodes heh heh
22:36 A-Hamilton that's covered in the song "The World Was Wide Enough"
22:36 tumeninodes so was his shot :P
22:37 tumeninodes Calling NathanS21, calling NathanS21
22:38 paramat "The MT World Was Not Wide Enough"
22:39 tumeninodes I sense a "stop off topic" signal in there somewhere...
22:41 Fixer "640x640 is enough for everybody"
22:41 tumeninodes never enough. more is always desired
22:43 * Sokomine secretly nods to fixer and enjoys a much smaller resolution :)
22:44 tumeninodes I could never do that with my eyes
22:48 Fixer i watched ---- in 320x240
22:52 rubenwardy looooool
22:52 rubenwardy tumeninodes: name is for the mod name, not for your name!
22:52 rubenwardy fixed
22:52 rubenwardy XD
22:53 tumeninodes hahaha
22:53 tumeninodes I was like 0_o
22:54 tumeninodes it said Name, and title. threw me a curve
22:54 rubenwardy name = foldername
22:54 rubenwardy title = human readable name, can include spaces and capital letters
22:54 rubenwardy so name should be artdeco, and title should be ArtDeco
22:55 tumeninodes ok, now I get it
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23:02 Fixer name = Pickle
23:02 Fixer title = Rick
23:03 tumeninodes OMG, know what is really funny and odd about that? I know a Rick Pickler
23:04 Fixer haha
23:04 tumeninodes I am laughing so hard
23:04 Fixer he needs to remove that last r...
23:04 tumeninodes oh, we had a plethora of alternate names for him as kids
23:05 tumeninodes 8-12 are the ages of creativity
23:06 tumeninodes afk
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23:39 rubenwardy tumeninodes: your screenshots are much better than mine
23:39 rubenwardy (most of mine don't have any because they're nonvisual :(   )
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23:40 tumeninodes the visuals do not show in menu though (although it might be because I have that portable build) is there a way to update the portable?
23:41 rubenwardy in the installer?
23:41 rubenwardy you need a newer version of 0.5.0-dev for that
23:41 tumeninodes I keep forgetting to add things into fields though like the building tag (sorry)
23:41 rubenwardy XD
23:41 rubenwardy Shara's on it
23:42 tumeninodes how easily can I update the portable of 0.5.0-dev?
23:42 Shara I have become the tyrant of tags.
23:42 rubenwardy git pull
23:42 rubenwardy then make -j3
23:42 tumeninodes I'm sure she's thrilled I am packing more ontop her todo lists
23:43 Shara I am even editing rubenwardy's ones >.>
23:43 rubenwardy if by portable you mean using calinou's script
23:43 tumeninodes ^ yes
23:43 rubenwardy then  yeah, those two commands in that order
23:43 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/P0yhO.png
23:43 rubenwardy (notifications)
23:43 rubenwardy (should probably add a title to most pages)
23:43 tumeninodes oh excellent t/y
23:48 tumeninodes updating... updating... updating... upda
23:51 tumeninodes better. Yeh, I feel screenshots should be added to the "must have" list for release
23:52 rubenwardy not all packages can have screenshots though
23:52 rubenwardy like, they could always be made up
23:52 rubenwardy just be text or smth
23:52 rubenwardy but still
23:53 tumeninodes well, even a chat mod could use a screen of the chat in use
23:53 tumeninodes there are some where a visual effect does not exist but that should be the only exception
23:57 Shara I even added a more or less black cave picture for under sky in the end... so images for most things should be possible
23:58 tumeninodes :)
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23:59 zorman2000 Hi all, new bug report for 0.5.0: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7374

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