Time Nick Message 11:37 Krock Hello Minetesters 11:48 nerzhul hello Krock 12:55 Mr_Pardison Installed manjaro w/ xfce as the DE. 12:56 Mr_Pardison Very nice feel to it and it's easy on the system from what I can see. 12:56 ANAND Congrats! :) 12:56 rubenwardy yay! 12:57 Mr_Pardison Now, to install MT. 12:58 Mr_Pardison and find out why my brightness isn't going up even tho I have the keyboard settign at its max. 12:59 ANAND graphics drivers 12:59 ANAND graphics driver* 12:59 Mr_Pardison update that? 13:00 ANAND no, the driver will have brightness settings 13:00 ANAND afk 13:07 Krock hi Mr_Pardison. Welcome at the good side of DEs! 13:08 * Mr_Pardison hands Krock a duck 13:11 Krock Meanwhile a recent portrait of me (front) in PvP against some players (back): https://i.imgur.com/CTUde2a.jpg 13:12 Fixer Krock: that feel when you are decades older than any other player 13:12 Krock Fixer, maybe it applies sometimes but then again others might be much more used to FPS games than me :3 13:13 Fixer especially weird when you expect some old player on minecraft beta server but they are still teens and teenagers 13:13 Fixer like adults do not play minecraft/test anymore or hiding very well 13:14 Fixer or don't have enough time or play other games 13:16 Mr_Pardison Krock: sicne I've joined the good side of DE's, then you should see my quit message on HexChat. 13:16 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/contentdb 🤔 13:16 Fixer 🤔🤔🤔 13:17 Krock Mr_Pardison, but I don't want you to leave 13:18 Mr_Pardison I happen to be using The Lounge right now 13:18 * Krock expecting rubenwardy to have a teammate who helps him. yet only 2 commits of over hundred from the mate 13:18 rubenwardy yup 13:18 Calinou quassel=> DELETE FROM backlog; 13:18 Calinou DELETE 26100414 13:18 Calinou whew :P 13:18 Calinou I had like 5.5 GB of backlog in PostgreSQL 13:18 rubenwardy I talked to my lectuerer, and we're being marked separately now 13:18 rubenwardy so he'll just fail this unit 13:18 Calinou classmates_irl 13:19 Calinou I relate to this far too much. :P 13:19 * Mr_Pardison has found that manjaro has MT 0.4.16-3 13:19 Mr_Pardison yay! 13:19 Calinou https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=minetest and https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=minetest 13:19 Calinou even Debian/Ubuntu are up-to-date :P 13:20 Mr_Pardison guh... it's waiting for another package manager to quit and I'm installing drivers for my graphics card. 13:20 Calinou I have a webdev project in PHP, so far I've done 100% of the work 13:20 Calinou I just don't conceive any other way to do it :| 13:24 * Mr_Pardison whacks the graphics driver installer with a light saber and yells at it to speed it up 13:24 Mr_Pardison seems like I'm going to have to do this antoher way... 13:24 * Mr_Pardison pulls up a terminal 13:26 Krock I relate to this far too much. :P | err who can't? 13:26 Calinou people who aren't nerds :^) 13:26 Krock Mr_Pardison, 0.4.16 is outdated. compile a backport binar 13:26 Krock +y 13:28 Krock Mr_Pardison, early in the day means that you have at least some opportunities to try it :3 13:28 Krock (during the day) 13:28 Mr_Pardison oh alright. 13:30 Mr_Pardison but I need to fix the brightness problem first since that will just keep bugging me and put a strain on my eyes in terms of being able to see the screen easily. 13:31 Calinou backports are already comiled 13:31 Calinou compiled* 13:31 Calinou you just need to enable the backports repository 13:32 Calinou and specify you want to install the package from backports using "-t -backports" too, IIRC 14:01 Mr_Pardison so, how would I go about compiling the backport binary? 14:03 rubenwardy \o/ 14:05 Mr_Pardison I've only installed from the software stores that come with ubuntu and the windows ones are ez to run since they just need you to unzip and run the application. 14:06 Calinou Mr_Pardison: you could install minetest or minetest-git from the AUR since you're on Manjaro :) 14:06 Calinou `yaourt -S minetest-git` 14:06 rubenwardy that's 0.5.0-dev 14:07 rubenwardy and no need for -S 14:07 rubenwardy actually, that probably skips the intersactive selector 14:07 Mr_Pardison kool. 14:11 Calinou `yaourt minetest` will perform a search, yeah 14:12 Mr_Pardison says "bash: yaourt: command not found." 14:13 Calinou hmm, AUR support is not enabled by default anymore in Manjaro? 14:24 Mr_Pardison quick search says that they are not enabled by default. 14:26 Mr_Pardison will be enabling it so I can install MT 14:27 rubenwardy pacman -Syu yaourt 14:28 Mr_Pardison found a guide on how to enable them. 14:29 Mr_Pardison and I'm running an update in another terminal tab so it won't run it and throws some errors at me. 14:33 * Mr_Pardison makes a note not to run a package manager at the same time as wanting to install another program 16:01 Krock Well, that escalated quickly. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=319231 16:02 Fixer is that correct that gnome will disallow running binaries by left-clicking in their Nautilus? That is batshit even by crazyShapple standards 16:02 Fixer https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/commit/3a22ed5b8e3bbc1c59ff3069ee79755168754916 16:04 Fixer those guys are ruining linux desktop as it is, since gnome is often used by default, yet they push that apple nonsense so hard 16:04 sofar don't just make up random things 16:05 sofar gnome isn't some illuminati 16:06 Fixer apple part is what annoys me 16:06 * Mr-Pardison takes the apple from Fixer and hands them a peach 16:06 sofar nobody at gnome is attempting to copy from Apple or anyone 16:07 Fixer and I said nothing new, same criticism was like 10 years ago 16:07 sofar it's just that all science works towards discovering the same things 16:07 sofar better UIs will have many things in common 16:07 Fixer i don't see how disallowing binaries is better ui 16:07 sofar and gnome is and will be for the masses, not for tinfoil hat people 16:07 Fixer especially in poweruser OS 16:08 sofar I'm sure there is a way to disable it in gnome 16:08 Fixer Linux was for power users not for brain deads 16:08 Fixer it all started somewhere after release of gnome2 16:08 Fixer they started removing features 16:08 sofar there's a billion android devices, of which there are maybe half a million power users 16:08 Fixer it is a big meme on any linux site 16:09 sofar yes, and we all believe the meme 16:09 sofar all hail the mighty meme 16:09 sofar have you ever talked to a gnome developer in person? 16:09 Mr-Pardison hail! 16:10 Fixer why? 16:10 Fixer GNOME forum rage never stopped since 2000s... 16:10 Fixer people gave up on it 16:10 Fixer and move to XFCE, KDE, LXQT, etc 16:11 sofar ok so for the past 14 years you've spent exactly 0 seconds getting a better view of the situation 16:11 Fixer gnome3 is when it started crazy, with appeals to dumb down tablet design, yet I don't see any mass production GNOME tablet anywhere 16:11 Fixer I've used gnome 16:11 Fixer i've seen where it goes 16:12 sofar it goes to you ranting 16:12 Fixer yeah 16:12 Fixer tons of people ranting and flame wars 16:12 sofar this is #minetest-hub, we don't care about rants about gnome in here 16:12 Fixer don't get started on lennart, pulse audio and systemd was biggest flamewar hits on linux forums, close to religion-atheism in hate 16:13 sofar what 16:13 sofar the 16:13 sofar fuck 16:13 Fixer :D 16:13 sofar stop drinking and turn off your computer 16:13 Fixer I shop just there :D 16:16 sofar rubenwardy: I've just found a fatal flaw in quassel :( 16:17 Fixer no file transfer 16:17 Fixer 8 year old bug 16:17 Fixer or so 16:18 sofar nope, not that 16:31 sofar can't make 1 quassel client connect to 2 cores 16:32 sofar now I'm forced to run a second client and start the second one with a manual config option 16:32 sofar not what I wanted.... I used to have just 1 irc client window 16:35 Mr_Pardison how do I tell if I have another package manager running at the same time when I am trying to install something from the terminal? 16:41 sofar depends on $pkgmanager 16:47 longerstaff13 o/ 16:49 rubenwardy sofar: why do you need two cores? 16:50 rubenwardy you can connect to multiple networks with one core 16:51 longerstaff13 is quassel available for windows? 16:52 rubenwardy almost certainly 16:52 longerstaff13 yeah, it is lol 17:00 sofar rubenwardy: no 17:00 sofar rubenwardy: one network is company-internal 17:00 sofar I can't connect to that from the outside 17:01 sofar so I have to run 2 cores, I have no choice 17:01 rubenwardy ah right 17:02 rubenwardy if you can connect to freenode, couldn't you connect to some personal server? 17:02 rubenwardy on aws maybe, they can't be blocking that 17:04 IhrFussel Anyboy here with hopper mod on their server(s) and can tell me if it's lightweight and stable? 17:04 IhrFussel Anybody* 17:05 Shara Fussel, I never had issues with it 17:31 tenplus1 hi folks 17:31 Krock hi tenplus1 17:31 tenplus1 hey krock, how's you ? 17:32 Krock I'm fine, thanks. How about you? 17:32 tenplus1 at the moment confused, but ok 17:32 Krock what happened? 17:32 Krock I hope it's not Minetest related :D 17:32 tenplus1 changing stairs redo so it uses new node names (stair_inner stair_outer) 17:33 tenplus1 but aliases dont work ?!?! 17:33 tenplus1 e.g. minetest.register_alias("stairs:invcorner_" .. subname, "stairs:stair_inner_" .. subname) 17:33 tenplus1 getting a lot of unknown nodes 17:33 tenplus1 but inventory items work 17:36 Krock uh.. strange 17:36 Krock try registering the alias after the new stair node 17:36 tenplus1 yup, done that 17:38 tenplus1 if I dig unknown node I'll see an inner stair in inventory, but if I give myself stairs:stair_outer_wood it doesnt stack but goes in slot beside it... a different item 17:38 * tenplus1 wonders if something is broken, or maybe he is 17:39 tenplus1 wb BakerPrime 17:40 tenplus1 er... autocorrect sucketh 17:40 tenplus1 wb bwarden 17:40 * sofar gives leg up to bwarden 17:40 bwarden lol. Leg is up. 17:40 sofar +1 17:40 tenplus1 o/ sofar 17:41 sofar bwarden: I hope there is video evidence 17:41 bwarden Of my leg being up? 17:41 Krock tenplus1, because they are different items. alias just links one name with another definition 17:41 Krock it doesn't rename the items 17:41 sofar bwarden: nah 17:42 tenplus1 shouldnt alias replace the older item with the newer one in inventory and on map ??? 17:42 Krock replacing is done by LBMs 17:42 bwarden sofar: or do you want to see the new hardware? 17:43 sofar I already took all the boxes in your cubicle 17:43 tenplus1 so alias only deals with inventory items, not actual node switching ? 17:43 sofar or are you talking metal pins and rods? 17:43 bwarden Screws and brackets 17:43 sofar like, kitchen drawer mounts? 17:44 sofar do you get to choose pulls? 17:44 Krock tenplus1, the unknown nodes in the world should actually be known after the alias.. hmm 17:44 sofar "would you like brushed nickel or chrome, or bronze?" :) 17:44 tenplus1 that's what is confusing me, they appear as unknowns and the aliases are pointing correctly to the old and new node... 17:44 bwarden I'll ask, but I suspect I got the titanium upgrade. 17:45 tenplus1 o/ paramat 17:45 sofar oh nice. I've got a platinum rod somewhere but unfortunately it's not externally visible 17:45 * tenplus1 tries something 17:46 tenplus1 dammit, minetest.after affects alias creation 17:46 sofar you can't use alias outside of the mod init phase 17:47 sofar that would be messy 17:47 tenplus1 that kinda sucks... 17:47 tenplus1 thanks for assist krock, found the issue 17:47 Krock tenplus1, what was it? 17:48 Krock oh. minetest.after 17:48 tenplus1 yeah, it waits for all mods to load and registers stairs, alias doesnt like that as sofar said 17:49 sofar yeah... in theory you could get away with that 17:50 sofar but if one mapblock would load persistently you'd be hosed 17:50 tenplus1 least I know now, will change code to suit... thanks also sofar 17:51 Krock only callbacks and custom mod functions/data can be registered or run using minetest.after() registering nodes, aliases and such will cause issues 17:51 * tenplus1 learns something new every day :) 17:54 * rdococ forgets something new every day, therefore he cannot be an elephant 17:54 tenplus1 lol, hi rdococ 18:06 BakerPrime Thanks, tenplus1 18:06 BakerPrime Did I leave? 18:08 tenplus1 sorry dude, autocorrected to the wrong nick... was being lazy 18:13 BakerPrime Ah, that 18:13 BakerPrime *'s alright, I was pinged by BillyS twice on another channel anyway 18:13 Krock hi BakerPrime 18:13 BillyS And I was pinged once by BakerPrime on another channel too. 18:13 tenplus1 lol 18:14 paramat ugh this PR will be unhealthy #7361 18:14 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7361 -- Added crossview support by otdav33 18:14 tenplus1 *** Stairs Redo git has been updated with new inner_ outer_ names and aliases 18:14 Krock *** Message was sent sucessfully 18:16 IcyDiamond I'm trying to think of efficient ways I could have a power distribution network without a controller 18:16 tenplus1 hi icy 18:16 IcyDiamond Hey 18:20 IcyDiamond Idk I don't think I can 18:25 Mr_Pardison hiya tenplus1. long time no c. 18:25 tenplus1 hi mister 18:25 tenplus1 hows you ? 18:25 Mr_Pardison eh. 18:25 Mr_Pardison happy that I installed Manjaro w/ xfce as the DE. 18:26 tenplus1 sweet :) working ok ? 18:26 Mr_Pardison yup. 18:26 tenplus1 glad to hear :) xfce is really good 18:26 Mr_Pardison had to be something light for older hardware. 18:26 tenplus1 for anyone that uses them, I've updated (Ethereal NG, Farming Redo, Pova, Stairs Redo) 18:27 tenplus1 xfce is light enough and fast enough for my old lappy :) 18:28 Mr_Pardison the one I installed it on, it has an intel i5 and 4GB ram but I still wanted something light enough to allow me to have MT run at better FPS 18:29 tenplus1 oh yeah, xanadu server runs Openbox/lxde just for that 18:30 Mr_Pardison enabled yaourt and now will be installing MT on it :D 18:31 tenplus1 yaourt ? 18:31 sofar yoghurt 18:31 Mr_Pardison Yet AnOther User Repository Tool 18:32 tenplus1 lol 18:32 tenplus1 ohh, never tried that one... always been a synaptic fan :P 18:33 BakerPrime Hello Krock 18:33 Mr_Pardison since Krock said that 0.4.16-3 is outdated, Calinou said to do yaourt -S minetest-git 18:33 Mr_Pardison I skipped the -S part and am installing now. 18:34 tenplus1 wait, wont that install 0.5 dev ? 18:34 Mr_Pardison I'm just following the advice of Krock and Calinou. 18:34 rubenwardy yeah, it will 18:34 Calinou 0.4.16 is the latest stable version, no? 18:35 Calinou and yes, minetest-git will install 0.5 18:35 tenplus1 hi ruben... hey cal 18:35 tenplus1 isnt 0.4.17 available yet ? 18:35 Calinou 0.4.16 is still the latest according to https://www.minetest.net/downloads/ 18:35 rubenwardy it is 18:35 Mr_Pardison but why is 0.4.17 not in -stable yet? 18:35 rubenwardy not been released 18:36 tenplus1 what's to be finished? 18:37 rubenwardy dunno 18:39 * tenplus1 is eager for a bugfix release with some new features 19:02 tenplus1 wb dude 19:03 Mr-Pardison installed 0.4.16 and the FPS is at 60. 19:03 Mr-Pardison 60! 19:03 tenplus1 what was fps on 0.5 ? 19:03 rubenwardy try changing max_fps to 200 19:03 rubenwardy and wanted_fps, forget if that's a thing 19:04 Shara 0.4.17 is a myth! 19:04 rubenwardy :O 19:04 Shara You should all know this by now! 19:04 Mr-Pardison 0.4.17-dev is real. 19:04 tenplus1 the cake is a lie 19:04 tenplus1 also hi 19:04 Shara tenplus1: It can't be... what did I eat last night if it wasn't cake?!?! :( 19:04 Mr-Pardison evening Shara 19:04 xerox123 o/ tenplus1 :D 19:04 tenplus1 forbidden pie 19:04 Shara Ekkk 19:04 Mr-Pardison flour, water, sugar, butter and maybe some food coloring. 19:04 xerox123 http://csgoani.me/vjqadox XD 19:04 Shara Oh well, I guess it's no longer forbidden 19:07 tenplus1 not had decent cake in a loooooong time 19:07 IhrFussel Shara, also causes no extra lag? 19:08 tenplus1 hi fussel 19:09 Shara I'm sure cake causes lag in people. 19:09 Shara Other than when they're trying to reach it. 19:10 IhrFussel Was referring to the hoppers :P 19:10 tenplus1 which ones ? 19:10 * Mr-Pardison shall be having his cake (and eating it too!) ins a few days :D 19:11 Shara Cakes on pogosticks?? (yes, I know you were :P) 19:11 Shara hoppers are fine 19:11 Mr-Pardison not on pogo sticks. 19:11 Mr-Pardison the cakes would be on rabbit. 19:11 Mr-Pardison *rabbits 19:11 Krock xerox123, lol what a nice remix 19:31 IhrFussel Do the hoppers run even if mapblocks are not loaded? 19:31 IhrFussel Or in other words: Are they still active when no one is nearby? 19:32 tenplus1 no they only run when map area is loaded... 19:32 rubenwardy https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/6dd980257407b48db89694bff08641f2 19:32 rubenwardy !title 19:32 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Auto-restart, log per season, email on crash · GitHub 19:32 tenplus1 the void hopper can run for quite some time after the player has left :D 19:33 tenplus1 hi aerozoic 19:33 aerozoic wazup tenplus1 19:33 tenplus1 :P 19:34 aerozoic Hey you have a green dot! 19:34 aerozoic Did you always have that? XD 19:34 tenplus1 green dot ? 19:34 aerozoic op status 19:35 tenplus1 ohh, yeah I've had that for a while 19:35 aerozoic cool, i just never noticed XD 19:35 longerstaff13 lol 19:35 tenplus1 hi longer 19:35 longerstaff13 hi 10+1 19:35 aerozoic wazup longerstaff13 19:35 longerstaff13 ello aero 19:37 tenplus1 wb 19:50 aerozoic O_o 19:51 tenplus1 hi Gael-de-Sailly 19:51 aerozoic wazup Gael-de-Sailly! 19:51 Gael-de-Sailly Hi 20:12 tenplus1 nite folks o/ 20:17 rubenwardy if anyone cares, here's some mod releases stats: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/c82ae1da82c57301fdfa174ddcba484a 20:17 rubenwardy 1586 / 2544 mods are on github 20:17 rubenwardy !c 1586/2544 20:17 MinetestBot 0.6234276729559748 20:18 rubenwardy note this could be an over estimate due to mods linking to another mod's github link 20:18 rubenwardy and also the fact that " - -357 were from elsewhere" 20:23 aerozoic rubenwardy, what qualifies as a release? 20:24 rubenwardy this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=11 20:24 aerozoic ah ok :) 20:29 rubenwardy "We've updated our privacy policy!" 20:49 rdococ "We can now use your data for whatever the hell we want, but we won't tell you!" 20:53 IhrFussel No chance with GDPR 21:02 sofar heh, GDPR 21:03 sofar EDPR, you mean? 21:04 Calinou MTDPR 21:13 rdococ I'm not sure how to feel about leaving the EU 21:13 rubenwardy annoyed 21:14 rubenwardy now we have to line up with all the other people to travel or move to EU countries :'( 21:15 rdococ I feel like this place is going to become "Tiny US with a queen" 21:15 rubenwardy just because of xenophobia, which this won't change - governments will still let immigrants in as it's in the interest of companies 21:15 rubenwardy and so called soveignty, which we don't really have anyway 21:15 rubenwardy thanks Murdoch 21:17 rdococ How do you feel about hate speech laws? 21:20 Calinou UK in 2014: "France sucks lol" 21:20 Calinou UK now: "wow, wish we were there" 21:20 Calinou :P 21:20 rdococ Calinou: Not sure what you're referring to. 21:20 Calinou French bashing was big a few years ago 21:20 Calinou it calmed down recently, thankfully 21:21 rdococ I've never heard or been a part of this french bashing 21:21 rdococ Did they provide any evidence to back up their claim that "france sucks"? 21:21 Calinou often not :) 21:22 Calinou but it was getting real annoying 21:39 Fixer HEY< LITTLE DRUM! 21:41 Fixer Calinou: France has its own probrems 21:42 Fixer rubenwardy: you processed the forum or searched on github somehow? 21:42 rubenwardy neither 21:42 rubenwardy Krock did 21:42 Fixer from what data? 21:42 Fixer does it contain forks? 21:42 rubenwardy it uses Krock's mod search 21:42 rubenwardy yes 21:42 Fixer ah 21:42 rubenwardy I'm looking forward to when I can take down that parser 21:42 rubenwardy not long now 21:43 Fixer "download link is blacklisted" 21:43 rubenwardy yep 21:43 rubenwardy {{ self.title() }} 21:43 rubenwardy oops 21:43 rubenwardy good that wasn't a password 21:43 rubenwardy https://minetest-mods.rubenwardy.com/blacklist/ 21:43 Fixer -357 were from elsewhere 21:43 Fixer wat 21:44 Fixer rubenwardy: i wonder if you can get amount of stars on each one from github 21:44 rubenwardy you can 21:45 Fixer just for statistics 21:45 Fixer you will get shit-tons of 1 star mod, those I've starred for ages 21:47 Fixer rubenwardy: does it include modpacks? 21:47 Fixer and texture packs? 21:47 rubenwardy ye 21:47 rubenwardy no