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00:21 benrob0329 >minetest 0.4.16 in repos
00:21 benrob0329 I love Debian Testing
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01:15 rdococ benrob0329: the TARDIS runs Linux 5.7.0-3 and Minetest 0.8.0 which adds VAEs!
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02:54 benrob0329 o/ Jordach
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08:41 tenplus1 hifolks
08:49 lumberJ g'morning tenplus1
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08:50 tenplus1 hi lumberJ :)
08:50 tenplus1 also hi Xio
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08:58 tenplus1 hijor
08:58 tenplus1 *hi Jordach
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09:15 tenplus1 Bonemeal updated to use place_param :)
09:39 Wayward_One Hi all :)
09:39 tenplus1 hey wayward :)
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09:42 tenplus1 hi red
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10:02 tenplus1 wb
10:02 Calinou hi :)
10:02 tenplus1 hey Cal
10:03 Calinou I'm in the process of migrating my web server to nginx
10:03 Calinou it feels a bit slower than Apache for some reason on static content… or at least, it's not any faster
10:03 Calinou thing is, my website is loading very fast already so there's not a lot to optimize :)
10:03 tenplus1 any advantages ?
10:03 Calinou I also upgraded to PHP 7.2 (my homepage doesn't use it but other services do)
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10:07 tenplus1 wb Jordach
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10:12 tenplus1 o/ Fixer
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10:39 tenplus1 hi longer
10:39 longerstaff13-m Hi
10:39 tenplus1 o///
10:49 rubenwardy Calinou: on bench marks it performs way faster on static content
10:49 rubenwardy I suggest making sure stuff is cached on the client
10:55 Fixer \\\o
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11:23 tenplus1 wb ssieb
11:48 Fixer PROMISE ME THE LIGHT
11:48 * tenplus1 gives fixer a torch
11:48 * Fixer lights up MTG dev room
11:49 tenplus1 lol
11:49 tenplus1 they all sleeping ?
11:50 Wayward_One Not for long..
11:50 tenplus1 ehehe, hi wayward
11:50 * Wayward_One pulls out an air horn
11:53 Wayward_One Lol, hi :P
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12:24 Mr_Pardison \o
12:24 tenplus1 hi mister
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12:26 tenplus1 hi DI3HARD139
12:26 DI3HARD139 Hello tenplus1
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12:27 tenplus1 Bonemeal mod updated, uses new place_param settings
12:27 tenplus1 hi benrob
12:28 benrob0329 Hi tenplus1
12:28 tenplus1 o//
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12:58 tenplus1 hi Jordach
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13:09 tenplus1 o/ CWz
13:09 BillyS yay
13:09 BillyS Thanks to whoever did that
13:09 tenplus1 hi BillyS
13:10 BillyS hi
13:10 Mr-Pardison cello BillyS
13:10 BillyS olleh
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13:36 tenplus1 wb sniper
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13:37 sniper570 thx tenplus1 :)
13:39 benrob0329 Wb Jordach
13:40 tenplus1 o//
13:42 Mr-Pardison \\o//
13:42 tenplus1 :P
13:47 BillyS o7
13:48 tenplus1 sun too bright ?
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13:49 tenplus1 hi fussel
13:51 IhrFussel Hi there =)
13:52 Mr-Pardison ahoy, IhrFussel
13:53 IhrFussel Firefox won't open any websites...any solution?
13:53 Mr-Pardison start it from a terminal?
13:53 IhrFussel I only see "waiting for google.com" right now
13:53 Fuchs does a different browser work, if yes: are proxy settings broken?
13:54 Fuchs including wpad / auto-proxy-foobar
13:54 tenplus1 hi Fuchs
13:54 Fuchs yes, hello
13:54 IhrFussel I didn't change any settings since yesterday...not sure how they could break..will try another browser...(need to install one first)
13:55 tenplus1 >  sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
13:55 Fuchs if other browsers do not work but name resolution  (nslookup, ping, host, whatever you have) does work: check any sort of firewall that might block 80 / 443
13:55 Mr-Pardison shivajiva: I was wondering if I could borrow some of your code for the sban gui for my bounty hunting mod? I will give credit for that in the README file for your contribution)
13:55 Fuchs if name resolution doesn't work: well, there you have the issue
13:56 IhrFussel Fuchs, ping google.com works
13:56 Fuchs okay, see if other browsers work, if no: potentially something blocks http(s)
13:56 tenplus1 fussel, this may sound silly but is your time/date set ok ?
13:56 Fuchs if other browsers do work: potentially the firefox settings, proxy would be a best guess, are wrong
13:57 IhrFussel date/time should be fine...I wonder how something can be modified/corrupt if I didn't touch any settings
13:58 IhrFussel Chromium works...so Firefox is the problem
13:58 * tenplus1 uses chromium as main browser (disk cache disabled though)
13:59 IhrFussel I guess I need to re-install firefox
14:00 tenplus1 just delete or rename .mozilla folder to reset
14:00 IhrFussel Proxy settings are set as "use system proxy" is that correct?
14:01 tenplus1 could always set to "no proxy" and see if that helps
14:01 IhrFussel Ok now it works again...who or what changed that setting and/or my system proxy settings??
14:02 IhrFussel A virus on Xubuntu is *very* unlikely
14:02 tenplus1 what setting changes ?
14:02 tenplus1 proxy ?
14:03 IhrFussel Yes...I think either something changed my firefox proxy settings from "no proxy" to "use system proxy" OR something changed my OS proxy settings
14:03 tenplus1 least it was a simple setting
14:04 IhrFussel Yes but I still wonder what the cause was... You don't think it could've been malicious software?
14:04 tenplus1 nah, doubt it
14:05 rubenwardy try ping-ing a domain you've never been to
14:05 tenplus1 did you do update or somthing ?
14:05 rubenwardy as ones like google.com will probably be cached
14:05 rubenwardy so try    ping minecraft.net
14:06 rubenwardy for future anyway
14:06 rubenwardy the DNS sometimes breaks on my computer, not sure why
14:06 rubenwardy probably need to find a proprietary driver
14:12 tenplus1 ff is kinda lagging behind chromium browser of late, feels sluggish...
14:12 rubenwardy :(
14:13 rubenwardy even quantum?
14:13 tenplus1 yup, sad but true
14:13 rubenwardy I've found that it freezes quite often - ie: the tabs break
14:13 rubenwardy but it's generally pretty snappy
14:14 tenplus1 onyl reason I never used chromium before was because I couldnt turn off or limit the cache... but since I figured that out it's been my daily driver
14:14 rubenwardy I have fibre optic though
14:14 * tenplus1 feels slowdown on his net-top
14:15 IhrFussel Minetest really seems to delay my connection...like when I click in my browser on a link while someone joins the server I have to click on the same link again to actually load the site
14:15 rubenwardy sounds like you have a crappy router which is having congestion issues
14:15 rubenwardy do you host your server from home? :O
14:16 rubenwardy also, do you use remote media?
14:17 IhrFussel No, I connect to my root server when playing and it doesn't need remote media cause the bandwith is up to 1 Gbit/s
14:17 rubenwardy minetest media sending is slow, no matter your bandwidth
14:19 tenplus1 any way to speed things up
14:22 IhrFussel Is minetest.net having connection problems right now?
14:22 IhrFussel I mean forum.minetest.net
14:24 tenplus1 working ok here
14:24 Fixer my nonquantum FF ESR on fu----- SSD coldstarts like 10 seconds
14:24 Fixer this is fucked up
14:25 Fixer my windows starts almost like that time
14:25 tenplus1 *shudder*... chromium
14:25 tenplus1 hwo many plugins/addons you got ?
14:26 Fixer 17
14:26 tenplus1 o.O seriously ?
14:26 Fixer problem?
14:26 Fixer most of them are tiny
14:27 tenplus1 damn... I have 1 plugin on ff and chromium... ublock origins
14:28 Fixer i also have like 6000 bookmarks
14:28 Fixer you know, I'm using the browser
14:28 tenplus1 THE browser ?
14:28 Fixer i can't just remove 6000 bookmarks
14:29 rubenwardy reminds me of Minetest's issue system
14:29 rubenwardy you could close all of them
14:29 rubenwardy but there could be useful stuff there
14:29 Fixer yes
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14:29 rubenwardy and going through them all is time consuming
14:29 Mr-Pardison wb Jordach
14:29 tenplus1 wb
14:29 Fixer my oldest bookmarks just in firefox are like decades old or more
14:29 Jordach fuck me CUPS on Apple devices are the fucking tits with that postscript
14:30 Jordach *inserts printer USB cable*
14:30 Jordach oh it works
14:30 tenplus1 Fixer: why not save them as .html file and whittle them down to what you need
14:31 Fixer tenplus1: this is possibility, but I doubt it will help much
14:31 Fixer I also have a scrapbook
14:31 Fixer fuckers at Mozilla can;t just add MHT support, so annoying
14:32 rubenwardy export all
14:32 rubenwardy delete all from firefox
14:32 rubenwardy re-add ones you need
14:32 tenplus1 yup
14:32 rubenwardy should do that will MT issues
14:32 tenplus1 that's why I like chromium... I can literally start typing "fo" and forums.minetest.net appears
14:32 rubenwardy close every single one, reopen on request
14:32 tenplus1 saves on a ton of bookmarks
14:32 rubenwardy /jk
14:32 Fixer but then why do I need a fucking firefox?
14:32 rubenwardy happens on FF too
14:33 rubenwardy and forums.minetest.net isn't bookmarked
14:33 Fixer I'm expecting it to just work with bookmakrs
14:33 Fixer of any size
14:33 tenplus1 bookmark system needs work on ff
14:33 Fixer let it load it on the go or smth
14:33 tenplus1 so slow on importing/using
14:34 Fixer quantum works better, but then again, no flashgot, no tabmix, no addbookmarkhere, no scrapbook, no mht support, it is just yet another chrome clone
14:34 Fixer people used firefox for a reason
14:34 rubenwardy how do you find out how many bookmakrs you have?
14:34 Fixer powerful addons
14:34 Fixer there is a plugin for that, it also cleans up 404 ones and dupes too
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14:36 Fixer now quantum development is like: BUT PRINCESS IS IN ANOTHER CASTLE
14:36 Mr-Pardison then ask the stereotypical Italian plumber to find that princess.
14:36 tenplus1 its-a me... chromium :DDDD
14:37 Fixer it is in castle quantum 60
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14:42 Fixer literally
14:42 Fixer i left a bugreport to a addon developer
14:42 Fixer and it said, oh yeah, that will be avail in FF60 in half-a-year
14:43 tenplus1 damn... so much for fixing issues quickly
14:44 xerox123 hello hello hello
14:44 tenplus1 o/ xerox
14:45 Mr_Pardison cello xerox123
14:46 BillyS ♫♬
14:46 BillyS YaY
14:46 tenplus1 moozak
14:49 shivajiva Mr_Pardison: what bit would you like?
14:49 shivajiva Hi tenplus :)
14:49 Mr_Pardison the part where it will list the players on the side of it.
14:49 tenplus1 hey shiva :P
14:49 Mr_Pardison will need that as a target selector for the bounty.
14:50 shivajiva help yourself
14:50 Mr_Pardison thanks.
14:51 shivajiva when you have refactored it you could make a pr, the whole mod needs a bit of that
14:53 Mr_Pardison I feel like the pressure to complete the bounty mod has been ratcheted up a few clicks since Shara changed the tasks for modders text on the website.
15:00 * tenplus1 sets a bounty for Mr-Pardison's left shoe
15:00 * Mr-Pardison takes his left shoe and chucks it at tenplus1
15:01 * benrob0329 sets a bounty for fixing transparency in MT
15:02 * tenplus1 chucks 2 gold back
15:03 * benrob0329 realizes that the dynamic shadows PR is a much more realistic bounty
15:05 tenplus1 that would be an awesome add
15:08 Mr-Pardison which one?
15:09 tenplus1 dynamic shadows
15:09 tenplus1 they looked awesome
15:09 rubenwardy they were glitchy
15:10 tenplus1 shame
15:11 * tenplus1 secretly adds pova :D mwhehehehehe
15:12 benrob0329 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6165
15:13 tenplus1 niiiiice
15:13 benrob0329 s/dynamic shadows/tod based shadows
15:13 benrob0329 tenplus1: author was pissed off by kilbith
15:14 tenplus1 checking comments
15:14 rubenwardy not that hard to be
15:17 tenplus1 brb
15:21 rdococ hm, weird
15:21 rdococ I thought I set location services to off on my tablet
15:21 * rdococ eyes Google suspiciously
15:21 benrob0329 Google always know
15:21 * rdococ then yays
15:22 rdococ benrob0329: at least it isn't Microsoftâ„¢
15:22 benrob0329 Thats debatable
15:23 rdococ Google is definitely not Microsoft, but it may be debatable as to which is worse
15:23 benrob0329 I'd argue they are both large corporations who only care about money
15:25 rdococ I can understand wanting money but I can't understand not wanting anything much other than money
15:29 tenplus1 mo money mo problems
15:30 rdococ fictional universe concept: in the year 2203, GNU buys Microsoft and releases its products as open source
15:31 tenplus1 w0000t!
15:31 tenplus1 I still cant get over the fact that winblows needs at least 1gb to run as the base Os to run things on
15:32 rdococ in 2234, Minecraft which is now owned by GNU would be merged with Minetest to form a highly flexible voxel-based game engine with things like VAEs
15:32 rdococ which would, of course, be open source
15:36 rdococ GNU would acquire Microsoft after a (hopefully not) unlikely series of events in which people become gradually less and less trustworthy of it, awareness of other web browsers increases and more and more people stop using Microsoft products including You-Know-What
15:36 tenplus1 lol rdcoc
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15:36 tenplus1 wb benrob
15:37 rdococ which means that after the Minetest-Minecraft merger, the resulting voxel engine would be called Minetest as by that point, people had lost faith in Microsoft completely before its acquiral by GNU
15:39 tenplus1 I think many ppl have already lost faith in microsoft... wait until MS core Os makes an appearance
15:40 rdococ sure but many still use their products. over time people would find alternatives and begin to stop using Microsoft products altogether until it gets acquired by GNU
15:41 rdococ Canonical is based in the UK, interesting
15:41 * tenplus1 has been using ubuntu as main Os since 8.04
15:42 Fixer "Progressive Web Apps"
15:42 Fixer lul
15:43 rdococ I think Canonical really has a good thing going for it, it's able to make good revenue while supporting open source (although it appears to have been involved with the "linux subsystem in windows" thing, which might or might not be worrying, idk for sure yet).
15:43 tenplus1 FriendUP is a pretty neat web Os... runs on all browsers :)
15:44 rdococ hm, now how to run Firefox as a kernel...
15:45 tenplus1 considering the chromium web engine is being used for many browsers and android mobiles they should stick with that and work on the 1
15:45 rubenwardy "Os" stresses me
15:46 rubenwardy it's OS not multple Os
15:46 rubenwardy :)
15:46 rdococ :Os
15:47 rdococ rubenwardy: I can't wait for an open-source supporting company to acquire Microsoft
15:49 rubenwardy you're gonna have to wait
15:49 rubenwardy unfortunately
15:50 tenplus1 kewl
15:50 rdococ rubenwardy: it would be a worthwhile wait though
15:58 IhrFussel Guys if "TLS-Handshake is processing" is shown a lot when loadign sites...is it most likely my connection?
15:59 IhrFussel Looks like my connection isn't that stable right now, just MT doesn't really notice 165 packets transmitted, 161 received, 2% packet loss, time 164246ms
16:01 tenplus1 check your router/modem settings
16:04 IhrFussel No errors, nothing changed
16:05 sofar smells like a MITM attack
16:06 sofar or you are using a very slow computer
16:06 tenplus1 lol, hi sofar
16:08 Mr-Pardison 'ello sofar
16:08 sofar sup
16:11 IhrFussel sofar, the PC is not slow...what's an MITM attack and why would someone use it on me?
16:13 IhrFussel It happens randomly... "Waiting for ..." and when I refresh it could work again
16:13 sofar to make sure you'll vote extreme right wing
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16:13 Mr_Pardison o/
16:13 tenplus1 o//
16:13 Mr_Pardison ~o~
16:15 BillyS 7o7
16:15 Mr_Pardison What some ppl are: 404 errors.
16:16 tenplus1 _o/
16:16 BillyS [ERROR] COde: 403
16:16 BillyS It is forbidden.â„¢
16:17 rdococ It has yayedâ„¢
16:17 IhrFussel http://allestörungen.de/stoerung/vodafone/berlin << My ISP provider (look the the rating lol)
16:18 tenplus1 there site is so slow
16:19 IhrFussel The graph shows the amount of reports at that time (in case it's in German)
16:19 IhrFussel I mean complaints*
16:19 rdococ looks like Vodafone has got a lot of recent complaints from Berlin
16:20 sofar they're probably attempting to insert ads into HTTP
16:20 tenplus1 wouldnt be surprised
16:20 rdococ I would be, if only slightly
16:20 rdococ I don't know of any ISP providers that do that but I've only ever used virgin media and sky broadband
16:21 rdococ sky broadband isn't that bad even if I sometimes get angry over it
16:21 rdococ especially for lower cost
16:21 sofar either that or they are attempting to do some sort of censoring or monitoring
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16:22 tenplus1 hi Krock
16:22 Krock hi tenplus1
16:22 Mr-Pardison hola duck.
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16:23 Mr-Pardison hello EvergreenTree
16:23 tenplus1 hi evergreen
16:23 EvergreenTree o/
16:24 Krock hi EvergreenTree
16:24 rdococ I saw an ever-red tree once
16:24 rdococ It was very odd
16:24 tenplus1 lol
16:24 Krock I saw ever-brown tree multiple times
16:24 rdococ hm, I wonder if you could override grass and leaf nodes to simulate seasons
16:24 Krock *trees. They're pretty much dead
16:24 EvergreenTree my dead brethren :(
16:25 rdococ Krock: really? I saw an ever-brown tree that wasn't dead
16:25 Krock maybe just sleeping
16:25 rdococ in fact, it was groaning about how it wanted to eat the system of roots and fungi below other trees
16:26 rdococ it was almost like a zombie tree, very bizarre
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16:29 tenplus1 wb octacian
16:29 Mr-Pardison & hello.
16:30 octacian thanks tenplus1.
16:30 octacian Won't be here for long though :P
16:30 rdococ ?
16:31 octacian Just popped on IRC to attempt to contact c55 regarding something. I'm usually just on Discord now though
16:31 rdococ why are so many people using Discord now
16:31 tenplus1 ? prefer irc
16:32 Krock octacian, you joined the wrong dark side.
16:32 octacian While I do dislike the feel of the Electron web-based Discord client, it can do way more and just flat out looks nicer.
16:32 rdococ Discord has a counter-intuitive interface, lags and is proprietary
16:32 tenplus1 *shudder*
16:32 rdococ I don't want my PMs - oh wait - DMs now - to keep shifting up and down as I click on them
16:33 octacian True. The little lag that it does have though is just caused by the performance of Electron.
16:33 * octacian has never experience that issue, or any other issue with Discord for that matter
16:33 Mr-Pardison same since I haven't ever used discord :D
16:33 rdococ octacian: when a DM appears on the sidebar to the left and you click it, it disappears and all the DMs below it shift upward
16:33 Mr-Pardison and Krock is right. that is the wrong dark side.
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16:34 tenplus1 wb Jordach
16:34 rdococ this is very unintuitive behavior because you have to account for the constant shifting of the DMs
16:34 octacian rdococ: Oh. That's a feature. The DM shows up there as a notification. When you click on it, the notification is dismissed and therefore the direct "link" to the DM is removed.
16:34 rdococ octacian: that's a pretty bad feature then
16:34 tenplus1 yup
16:34 octacian Why?
16:35 * tenplus1 uses Pidgin for it's simplicity
16:35 rdococ and if I want to revisit an earlier DM I don't want to have to click another button that pops up a GUI that covers the usual chatting interface. and when I'm administrating a channel/server/whatever I want to see the chat too
16:35 octacian When you get a notification on your desktop, do you expect it to not disappear when you click on it?
16:35 octacian Discord's interface is pretty good TBH, it has a much simpler system for controlling permissions via a role system, allows editing and deleting messages, has builtin voice and video chat, has a nice emoji (and custom emoji) system, has link previews, and a much nicer system for sharing files/images/videos.
16:35 rdococ When you get a notification on your desktop, do you expect it to appear in a sidebar along with other "notifications" that are actually channels/applications?
16:36 octacian So... you don't really dislike the feature, you just dislike it's implementation due to being used to other things :P
16:36 octacian Discord does take some time to get used to, but once you are, I far prefer it to IRC.
16:36 rdococ I dislike the feature itself, even if the channel list was somewhere else, I would still find it annoying
16:37 octacian While I do prefer the open source nature of and the wider variety of (native) clients available for IRC, Discord just has more features, and the few negatives are more than outweighed.
16:37 rdococ The system for controlling permissions I couldn't care less about. !flags is simple and intuitive when I'm administrating an IRC channel on a network with ChanServ ! commands enabled
16:37 octacian > on a network with ChanServ
16:37 octacian You have to have ChanServ for that. There is no definite system for that in IRC. It can differ from network to network.
16:38 rdococ true, but IRC networks are different from Discord servers in that one network may have many channels owned by many different people, and so you don't need as many
16:38 octacian But, if there was another option that had more features similar to Discord, was open source and had native clients, I'd jump at it in a instant though.
16:38 rdococ s/need as/need to be on as/
16:38 rdococ I am completely unconvinced by Discord's interface
16:38 Mr-Pardison same.
16:38 Mr-Pardison that and I've seen the horror of it.
16:39 sfan5 octacian: IIRC matrix aims to become that
16:39 octacian Well. If you did take the time to become very familiar with Discord's interface, I think you'd like it.
16:39 octacian sfan5: Yeah, I've been looking into it recently.
16:39 rdococ there was a time where I did use Discord often, and I never cared for the interface even then
16:39 octacian If Discord wasn't quite nice when you become familiar with it, the platform wouldn't have 25 million users :P
16:40 rdococ People can have differing opinions on how easy an interface is for them to use
16:40 rubenwardy Quassel-core has the loading of Discord
16:40 BillyS I have a top of the line iMac mini, which is about the most powerful personal computer you can get, and Discord made it bog down. No thank you.
16:40 rubenwardy but the good looks of IRC
16:40 rdococ ew, an Apple computer?
16:40 BillyS Apples are tastey.
16:41 octacian Another really nice thing about Discord for me is the chat history, where you can see past discussions even if you weren't there. And without having to have some custom logging system setup.
16:41 rubenwardy that's what Quassel-core does
16:41 BillyS I prefer a ZNC myself.
16:41 octacian huh. Interesting.
16:41 rubenwardy and IRCCloud
16:41 rubenwardy ZNC sucks
16:41 rubenwardy QuasselCore is way better than ZNC
16:41 BillyS Discord is no doubt great and all, but, well, its not. :P
16:41 BillyS I wouldn't know
16:41 octacian When an open source alternative that is directly comparable to Discord comes out (and Matrix may already be that), I'll be switching though :)
16:41 BillyS ZNC works for me
16:41 rdococ octacian: IRC networks are highly flexible, and IRC clients are highly flexible. you can essentially choose your experience
16:42 octacian Anyways... I suppose that most of us here will probably just have to agree to disagree regarding Discord as I highly doubt I'd be able to convince any of you lol
16:42 rdococ most likely
16:42 BillyS True
16:43 octacian I wonder though.
16:43 rdococ although BillyS having an Apple computer surprises me more
16:43 BillyS YOu knew that.
16:43 octacian If there were an alternative with the features of Discord, that was open source, might any of you be convinced to switch?
16:43 rdococ no
16:43 * octacian is going to get an Apple computer soon
16:43 BillyS I need to to develop apple apps.
16:43 BillyS I've told you at any rate. :P
16:43 rdococ BillyS: for the app store thing?
16:44 octacian Hey! Exact reason I'll be getting one.
16:44 BillyS Yep
16:44 rdococ the App Store for iOS has stupid policies
16:44 octacian +1 to that
16:44 BillyS octacian: Interesting. What language are you planning to use
16:44 rubenwardy Swift
16:44 octacian BillyS: Swift, probably.
16:44 rubenwardy Objective-C sucks ass
16:44 BillyS Same
16:44 rdococ Subjective-C
16:44 octacian yeah. I didn't even know you could still use other languages.
16:45 tenplus1 seductive-C ?
16:45 BillyS rdococ: Nothing that is Apple, Mikros0ft, or g00gle has good policys
16:45 rubenwardy err, don't think you really can
16:45 BillyS If I found anything seductive, it wouldn't be C. :P
16:45 rdococ BillyS: the person with an Apple computer, dislikes Apple's policiesâ„¢
16:45 BillyS Yep
16:45 rdococ romantic-C
16:45 rubenwardy just use Swift
16:45 tenplus1 eew swift
16:45 rubenwardy nooo, it's great
16:46 rdococ Yay for Xubuntu
16:46 rubenwardy iOS dev kinda sucks, there's no package manager and both XCode and Swift are unstable
16:46 BillyS True
16:46 rubenwardy well, Swift isn't great it's just better than ObjC
16:46 BillyS But it has a nice git interface
16:46 rubenwardy you shouldn't judge an IDE based on that, really
16:47 rdococ C++ has classes which are an OOP thing IIRC
16:47 BillyS correct
16:47 rubenwardy not sure how that's relevant, rdococ
16:47 octacian Swift does seem to have pretty nice syntax.
16:47 BillyS A wee bit wierd, tho
16:47 octacian As much as I've heard that it is somewhat unstable.
16:47 rdococ rubenwardy: Objective-C is OOP
16:47 rubenwardy the syntax is good, it's just killed by the instability
16:47 BillyS With its optional varibles
16:47 sfan5 rubenwardy: have you heard of CocoaPods?
16:48 octacian Really? What I've seen so far is that it's pretty similar to JS.
16:48 BillyS Yeah, it's always 5 versions ahead of the docs.
16:48 rdococ what, Objective-C doesn't even look like C or C++
16:48 rubenwardy yes, I've even used them when I was a professional iOS developer
16:48 rubenwardy they suck
16:48 rubenwardy it's also not official
16:48 sfan5 sure
16:48 sfan5 but it's a package manager and it worked nicely from the little time I'd used it
16:48 rubenwardy Apple are working on spm (swift package manager), it's just not stable yet
16:48 rdococ Objective-C looks like a weird version of Smalltalk
16:48 tenplus1 prefer c++
16:49 rubenwardy Objective-C is the PHP of the systems/app dev world
16:49 rdococ I prefer Smalltalk to Objective-C, but I'm unfamiliar with both Objective-C and C++ - and to be honest, I'm not that familiar with Smalltalk either
16:49 octacian I suppose you can't use C++ for basic app dev on iOS though, can you? At least probably not easily...
16:49 rubenwardy should never have been a thing
16:49 rubenwardy Swift isn't that similar to JS really
16:50 BillyS ^
16:50 rubenwardy ES6/7 has some functional features, but that's not enough to say it's similar to Swift which is a functional language
16:51 rdococ I like how Smalltalk is basically 100% object-oriented, even the booleans are objects you can send messages like ifTrue and ifFalse to (although I think those are optimized away)
16:51 BillyS Sounds a bit like java. :P
16:51 rdococ but then Lua can emulate basically every common paradigm out there
16:51 tenplus1 -.-
16:52 * BillyS is not a fan of Lua
16:52 rubenwardy kotlin is way better than swift, further ahead
16:52 BillyS It gets the job done, but just barely
16:52 BillyS And you have to do it a clunky roundabout way
16:52 * rdococ likes Lua as a fun novelty and scripting language which allows for weird hax
16:52 rdococ BillyS: I would like to see a yayexample
16:52 BillyS Splitting a string
16:52 tenplus1 lua is fun
16:53 rdococ BillyS: I agree there, Lua doesn't offer the best string manipulation functions
16:53 rdococ although there are probably libraries for it
16:54 octacian The biggest problems I have with Lua is the lack of proper class definition syntax and ternary operator syntax.
16:54 Mr-Pardison ping me if this discussions has something I might like.
16:54 tenplus1 lol mister
16:54 rdococ Ooh, I had an idea for mercury salt deposits that kill you if you touch it
16:55 rdococ You would be able to use it to set up booby traps for players and other mobs
16:55 rdococ But you would have to be careful and not get too close
16:58 * tenplus1 imagines rdococ's world full of acidic liquids and blocks
16:58 rdococ tenplus1: Acids would turn metals into easily diggable salts, but certain metal+acid combinations would have different properties
16:59 * tenplus1 wanders around with obsidian vacuum cleaner to suck up metal
16:59 * rdococ pours acid into the vacuum cleaner, causing it to break and spew salts everywhere
17:00 tenplus1 obsidian vacuums are indestructable
17:00 rdococ but they can still be forced to spew out salts
17:01 tenplus1 ehe
17:01 rdococ hm
17:02 rdococ I'm trying to decide if metal+acid reactions should use up the acid
17:02 * Mr-Pardison puts on a hazmat suit and grabs some mercury salt blocks and sets a trap for tenplus1
17:02 rdococ if so, then that means metals would only be able to react next to acid source blocks, but if not, then you only need one acid source per acid type to get all the salts
17:03 tenplus1 on_walkover and node damage will be working overtime :) but would make a fun adventure map
17:16 * Mr-Pardison puts on his thermal NVG's and jet-pack and starts flying around in search of these nodes
17:18 BillyS OOoooh, a jetpack mod!
17:19 tenplus1 sounds good...
17:23 Shara Mr-Pardison: what do you mean about me changing tasks for modders?
17:24 tenplus1 hi shara
17:24 Shara The info about the bounty hunting mod idea has been on there since long before you wanted to try it.
17:24 Shara Hi ten, and everyone :)
17:24 Mr-Pardison dis: Bounty hunting mod for Dark Lands: Should allow a player to specify a target and reward which will then be taken from their inventory and stored, and that will then be granted to a player who successfully kills the named target.
17:25 Shara Yes, but that was there since long long ago
17:25 Mr-Pardison but that is exactly what I am going for.
17:25 Mr-Pardison that info can be gleaned only from the README.
17:25 Shara wasn't that why you were going to try it though...?
17:25 Shara Which readme?
17:26 Mr-Pardison for the github repo for my mod.
17:26 * Mr-Pardison moves his timeline to late 2018 early '19
17:26 Shara I'm still not sure what tasks you are claiming I changed...
17:28 IhrFussel Nodes without texture appear as black on the minimap in 0.4.17
17:29 IhrFussel Not sure if black is a good color for them
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17:29 tenplus1 hi lisac
17:31 BillyS Mr-Pardison: I like that idea
17:31 BillyS I happen to be the richest person in MT, at least on VE-S
17:31 Mr-Pardison lemme post le link.
17:31 tenplus1 is there a way to view biome patterns via bitmap without loading minetest ?
17:32 BillyS I could hire assasins!
17:32 Mr-Pardison https://github.com/cordial-cobra/Bounty_Hunting
17:32 Mr-Pardison !title
17:32 MinetestBot Mr-Pardison: GitHub - cordial-cobra/Bounty_Hunting: Adds in the ability to set a bounty on a player in a MT server. Once you are on the list, the only way to be ta[...]
17:32 BillyS !title
17:32 MinetestBot BillyS: GitHub - cordial-cobra/Bounty_Hunting: Adds in the ability to set a bounty on a player in a MT server. Once you are on the list, the only way to be ta[...]
17:32 Mr-Pardison that's just the initial commit for it and I'm working on the bugs.
17:33 BillyS ah
17:33 Mr-Pardison I have gotten the SFINV page to properly register but when I click on the tab for it, MT crashes.
17:33 lisac hey tenplus1
17:33 Mr-Pardison cello lisac
17:33 lisac guitar Mr-Pardison
17:34 Krock Mr-Pardison, you'll soon get more spam due the published email
17:34 Mr-Pardison bah
17:34 Mr-Pardison that's my junk email :D
17:35 BillyS â„¢
17:35 Krock erm.. also your WIP branch looks very.. WIP lol
17:35 Mr-Pardison very much so.
17:35 Krock looking at the first line of code tells me that it won't compile
17:36 Mr-Pardison as I said, my timeline is early 2019.
17:36 Mr-Pardison and I haven't updated it to my latest part yet.
17:36 BillyS HMm, maybe I'll go hack another open-source game
17:36 BillyS People should know better the to make an open-source game in which you have to PAY>
17:37 BillyS *.
17:37 Krock BillyS, hacking open-source is boring. Expoit it.
17:37 Krock *Exploit
17:37 BillyS Hehe
17:37 * Mr-Pardison likes finding exploits
17:37 Shara early 2019?
17:38 Mr-Pardison yeah.
17:38 Mr-Pardison I've got this thing called college and real life to contend with.
17:38 Shara I may possibly make it for you by then
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17:38 tenplus1 hi raven
17:38 Raven262 Hi ten
17:39 Mr-Pardison I have this summer to work on it.
17:39 Mr-Pardison I can probably crank it out then.
17:42 Shara Anyone know at what depth liquids start appearing in caves?
17:42 Shara Even a rough idea would help
17:43 Mr-Pardison found caves that have water at about -250
17:44 Shara Playing around with the ability to set different kinds of liquids for caves
17:44 tenplus1 ooh, wht you adding ?
17:44 Shara Just want to extend the custom liquid types in HW into the underground
17:45 Shara Already have multiple different stone types
17:45 tenplus1 yay
17:45 tenplus1 will brighten up caves more :D
17:45 Shara You get things like this http://gingercat.tk/dg/hw_stone_mix.png
17:46 BillyS I don't like caves with water.
17:46 BillyS Idk why.
17:46 tenplus1 nice, is it using default functions or voxelmanip
17:46 BillyS Especially not IRL
17:46 Shara Well, maybe caves with poison will suit you more?
17:48 tenplus1 would be super creepy to find a cave with meat/flesh walls and blood pools...
17:49 Shara hehe
17:50 Shara sadly there is still quite limited control...  not sure how well this will work yet
17:50 Mr-Pardison tenplus1: that would be a dungeon where ppl had been killed.
17:50 tenplus1 yeah... would be super creepy though, seeing zombie's crawling on the floor trying to get ya
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17:51 Mr-Pardison ugh.
17:51 Mr-Pardison \o longerstaff13-m
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17:51 tenplus1 wb longer
17:51 tenplus1 o/ paramat
17:51 longerstaff13-m Hi and thanks
17:53 paramat Shara depth of classic water/lava or of the new biome-defined cave liquid?
17:54 Shara paramat: biome defined
17:54 Shara since that's what I want to use (though I've gotten distracted looking at biome height boundaries for now anyway )
17:55 paramat biome defined cave liquid will appear wherever large caves are, bu tonly 50% of large caves have liquids (hardcoded)
17:55 paramat in any mapgen there is a parameter for 'large cave depth' that sets the upper limit for them
17:56 Shara Hold on... so smaller caves won't have any liquid or will only use old liquid?
17:56 paramat the limit is usually -33 but -256 in mgv5
17:56 Shara I don't think I ever saw a large cave with liquid before... it was always the small ones, so I assumed this would replace that
17:57 paramat by small caves i guess you mean the tunnels, no liquids in those
17:57 Shara I mean.. whatever always had liquids :P
17:57 paramat oh
17:58 paramat don't confuse large caves with massive caverns
17:58 Shara I assumed this would just replace where water/lava had previously been with the defined liquid
17:58 paramat terminology issues :)
17:58 Shara Yea :)
17:59 paramat there's 3 types of cave in non-mgv6 mapgens: tunnels, large caves, massive caverns
17:59 Shara okay
17:59 paramat we call them 'large caves' because those are the larger caves from classic mgv6
18:00 Shara That would explain it
18:00 Shara I just call them caves :)
18:00 paramat "I assumed this would just replace where water/lava had previously been with the defined liquid" yes
18:01 Shara awesome then :)
18:01 tenplus1 :P
18:01 Shara Thank you
18:02 paramat yes, :P hehe
18:04 paramat :P is how i feel working on MT
18:07 tenplus1 that reminds me, gotta redo the crop mapgen for farming :P
18:08 paramat the tunnels are everywhere, the large (liquid) caves are underground, the giant caverns are much deeper
18:08 Mr-Pardison I do like the giant caverns.
18:08 Mr-Pardison offers plenty of space to roam around in.
18:17 tenplus1 back laters
18:17 tenplus1 left #minetest-hub
18:17 * Mr-Pardison backs tenplus1's later actions
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18:38 Shara Is there any easy way to quickly regenerate a specific part of a map?
18:38 Shara I am sure I came across something for this once, but can't remember what it was part of
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18:45 IhrFussel Shara, //deleteblocks pos1 pos2 from WE?
18:46 Shara I was looking at that, but was unsure what it actually does
18:47 Shara But someone trashed a big chunk of my map, so may as well try
18:47 IhrFussel Wait it's just //deleteblocks and it takes the pos from your marker so regular region
18:48 IhrFussel It will delete the mapblocks forcing the engine to re-generate that part for the DB again
18:48 Shara Perfect then
18:48 Shara Thank you
18:49 IhrFussel Could potentially cause false results if you switched the mapgen since
18:49 Shara I didn't
18:49 Shara Just need to undo some WE stupidity
18:50 Shara First serious mess up anyone made on this scale in the history of the server
18:50 IhrFussel I found out yesterday...wanted to repair a hole and used the command...suddenly the hole was even bigger and it added water in it
18:53 Shara I knew there was something that could do it, just couldn't find the command
18:53 Shara You saved me a headache here, thanks
19:13 paramat meh how about the engine's builtin /deleteblocks chat command?
19:14 paramat https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/24b6bd0f679f3cc5ff07bb5eb5ee787c20d3a5e8/builtin/game/chatcommands.lua#L505
19:15 paramat remember it will regenerate entire mapchunks though
19:16 paramat any mapchunk that the specified volume intersects
19:18 Shara Well, I already fixed as much as I can right now. Very low on time since I want to actually finish what I started with these biomes....
19:18 Shara But might try that when fixing the rest
19:22 IhrFussel The one from WE is easier to use since you can mark a region and don't have to type the positions manually
19:22 IhrFussel And the "here" parameter isn't always useful
19:26 rdococ hm, looks like I fell asleep
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19:29 paramat planetoid experiment https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/7241#issuecomment-385764950
19:31 Shara I really hope this PR makes it in. Ability to set air nodes could be very useful
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19:43 tumeninodes votes needed to change #minetest-hub to #minetest-hubba-bubba 8D
19:44 Shara Yesss... underground poison pools! http://gingercat.tk/dg/hw_toxic_underground.png
19:44 Shara paramat: seems this works nicely :)
19:45 tumeninodes sending in unaware children to test it out
19:45 Shara Sounds like a plan
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19:49 paramat "I like to compare everything that goes into the engine for how well it suits a gravitation-less space game without ground surface. If everything is either disableable or suitable for such, then it gives much more freedom for people to experiment and create interesting things, even in ground-based worlds." c55 in 2013
19:49 paramat ooh nice
19:50 Shara paramat: Now imagine that cave with vines growing from the ceiling and so on, maybe some weird plants growing in the water
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19:52 tumeninodes ... moss, with little poison, grassy plants or spores growing from it..., with poisonous snails which hang out and feed upon it
19:53 Shara If you want to make me a snail model... :P
19:53 rdococ mercury salt deposits that damage you on touch . . .
19:53 * Fixer copies more children and sends them to underground poison pools (Ctrl+S/Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V/child rush, zeg smth!)
19:54 Fixer yay, new mob for MTG
19:54 tumeninodes Shara, eventually
19:54 * rdococ cuts Fixer with Ctrl+X, and then pastes him to determine what it feels like to be deleted temporarily
19:54 tumeninodes was thinking fire ants too
19:55 tumeninodes *for other areas
19:55 Shara tumeninodes: Well, this thing already has an insects mod...
19:55 paramat new mob: disposable-test-children, lol
19:55 tumeninodes you think this thing is a highway
19:55 Shara paramat: yess :D
19:56 tumeninodes sounds like a Manson song :D
19:57 tumeninodes that would be sure to garner some attention for Minetest... Disposable_test_children
19:58 tumeninodes may not be the sort of attention desired but, can't be too fussy
19:58 paramat i want MT to be able to 'do space'. to me MC and MTG seem to simulate the progression of humans through the industrial ages, the natural extrapolation of that is the space age and leaving the planet for others
19:59 Shara Well, you know it's something I'm interested in seeing happen.
19:59 tumeninodes does this mean we can look forward to apocalypse being added to MTG?
19:59 Shara But for me it's also about height in both directions.
20:00 rdococ Near the center of the Earth IRL, gravity would be decreased as the Earth from the other side of the planet would be pulling you more and more
20:00 Shara tumeninodes: one meaning of that is probably what they tempted by involving me :)
20:00 rdococ Actually, I think I got that explanation wrong - more and more of the Earth would be above you
20:00 tumeninodes wait??? how does one get height in two directions?
20:01 rdococ tumeninodes: down to -31000, up to 31000
20:01 Shara tumeninodes: if I stand above you on a hill, it doesn't suddenly mean you have depth instead :P
20:01 tumeninodes I was being fassescious..., fasee..., fac... I was being silly
20:01 Shara :D
20:02 * tumeninodes has no depth
20:02 rdococ facetious
20:02 tumeninodes ^that's obnixious
20:02 tumeninodes :D
20:02 rdococ obnoxious
20:02 tumeninodes see?
20:03 rdococ tumeninodes: it is also facetious, as I am doing it playfully
20:03 tumeninodes I know, me too
20:03 rdococ two
20:03 Mr-Pardison g2g cya
20:03 tumeninodes to... I win
20:03 rdococ wen
20:04 tumeninodes I'm stopping before I push my luck... back to MTG
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20:11 Shara And if you don't want to drop the disposable test children in the poison pool, right next to it is this... http://gingercat.tk/dg/hw_lava_flow.png
20:11 Shara So we even have choices!
20:12 tumeninodes hmmm, that is where disposable kittens would come in handy
20:12 Shara Nooo
20:12 Shara Not cooked kittens
20:13 tumeninodes heh
20:13 Shara I love this lava. I guess there myst be a good texture person involved somewhere? :P
20:13 Shara must*
20:14 tumeninodes if there is, send them over..., we could use one :D
20:14 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/5XiEkNm.png mmmm, translucency
20:15 tumeninodes mc, so it doesn't count
20:15 Shara Sorry tumeninodes, I don't feel like sharing my texture person :P
20:15 tumeninodes uh oh
20:17 tumeninodes I prefer "graphics valet" thank you very much
20:17 tumeninodes don't forget to tip
20:17 Shara :D
20:24 rdococ Shara: what server?
20:24 rdococ I would like to see the poison pool and the lava pool
20:24 Shara No server
20:25 rdococ Fixer: I can't wait for GNU to acquire it in the 23rd century ;)
20:25 Shara This is a game that I'm working on with a few people
20:25 rdococ Shara: ah
20:25 rdococ Shara: is it based on MTG?
20:25 Shara No
20:26 rdococ I would find it pretty difficult to start a game from scratch
20:26 Shara Different textures, different biomes, different crafting system, even different player model now
20:27 Shara We keep saying MT is meant to be a game engine, so we shouldn't need to build from MTG to create games
20:27 ThomasMonroe lol, true
20:27 Shara I have used sfinv, but it being used in MTG wasn't a factor in that decision either way.
20:29 Shara It does have fireflies as well, but it had them before MTG did. It also uses the same spawn system that was just added for MTG, but again, it was planned since before MTG had that :)
20:37 longerstaff13 hello people
20:39 Shara Hi longerstaff13
20:40 longerstaff13 o/ Shara
20:43 rdococ Shara: What is the game called? I'd love to try it out.
20:43 Shara Hidden Worlds. But it's not public yet.
20:44 rdococ Ah.
20:44 Shara Lots of messy bits still. And by messy I mean unplayable.
20:45 Shara I'm hoping we can have a version that is at least fit to be tested by others by the time 0.5 happens
20:45 Shara But since we don't know when that will be... :P
20:46 rdococ Oh my god I think I found a forum filled with people that think alchemy is real
20:46 Shara It won't work in stable though. Lots of features in dev are being used
20:47 rdococ Ooh, 0.5.0-dev features
20:48 Shara The ability to set different liquids underground was only added a few days or so ago
20:54 aerozoic Is there any way to track down the source of lag?
20:55 tumeninodes yes..., it's called Fixer
20:57 rdococ I'm trying to create an antidote to sauce of lag
20:57 rdococ the sauce tastes nice but results in the world appearing... laggy
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21:36 IhrFussel aerozoic, profiler.load = true
21:36 IhrFussel Then ingame /profiler save
21:36 IhrFussel Then there is a .txt file in your world directory with lag values for each callback in each mod
21:38 IhrFussel Well the execution time for them I mean
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21:38 aerozoic thx IhrFussel
21:39 aerozoic ThomasMonroe, did u know about that? ^
21:41 IhrFussel Many don't know that the save option exists and only use print to print the results in the chat ... with .txt files it's much easier to parse the output to a script that for example calculates the values for the worst mods
21:42 aerozoic IhrFussel, does the server need to run for awhile before using the save command?
21:43 aerozoic or should i strategically use the command only when the lag is happening?
21:43 IhrFussel aerozoic, IMO it's better to take multiple results ... one after 5 minutes, another after an hour and a thir after a few hours
21:44 IhrFussel Some callbacks in some mods only run rarely...and those could cause lag
21:45 ThomasMonroe aerozoic, no I didn't, I'll try it sometime
21:45 aerozoic ThomasMonroe, i'm doing it in a few minutes :)  Maybe we can solve this issue!
21:45 IhrFussel Also concentrate on the average time...min/max aren't that useful
21:46 IhrFussel And remember that the logged times are in µs so 1,000 = 1ms
21:47 IhrFussel Everything < 1,000 should be fine
21:51 rdococ When I create an online service, all accounts must be at least 16 characters long, have spaces in them and there will be no upper limit on the number of characters
21:51 rdococ er, I mean account passwords
21:52 sfan5 have fun with nobody using your service then
21:53 rubenwardy lol
21:55 sofar /msg nickserv nickchange sofar123123123123123
22:07 rdococ Functions are kind of like eager-to-recalculate tables. they never want to calculate anything before it's required, but they also never want to cache it so that they don't need to recalculate it.
22:15 rdococ repl.it's anonymous repl names are getting weirder: "SereneDarkProcedurallanguage"
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23:52 Fixer *,,,,,,*

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