Time Nick Message 00:00 ircSparky I gues i could make them airlike 00:00 ircSparky seems not ideal though 00:20 ircSparky then again, I could then add back protection without having to reset the map 08:46 tenplus1 hi folks 08:53 tenplus1 Pova 0.3 - https://github.com/tenplus1/pova (added special functions) 14:57 tenplus1 hi folks 14:57 Mr-Pardison cello, hooman 14:57 tenplus1 hey mister :) 15:01 tenplus1 weeeeee 15:01 tenplus1 wb folks 15:04 tenplus1 hi lumberJ 15:05 lumberJ how's it going tenplus1? 15:05 tenplus1 not bad thx, mod tinkering :)) you ? 15:06 lumberJ good, messing with a love2d project 15:07 tenplus1 kewl :) love2d is pretty sweet..... https://github.com/tenplus1/pova 15:07 tenplus1 wbs niper 15:07 tenplus1 hi Jordach 15:16 lumberJ tenplus1 si this 'finished' or do you plan to add any features, like handling timers on overrides or multiplying them? 15:16 tenplus1 timers are for the mods that use the functions 15:17 tenplus1 multiplication/division should only be done on default level before addition./subtractino layers added 15:17 tenplus1 so yeah, basically it's finished :) it has new default, min, max, force features added to handle all sorts now 15:18 tenplus1 when I get time I'll convert a handful of mods over to using it, see how it handles :) 15:18 lumberJ so principally this is just to handle the changes in overrides and preserve them for offline players? 15:19 tenplus1 yup, this is a BASE layer to handle changes for any mod... it would have been better included in player mod in default but that's for another time 15:20 tenplus1 my testing has 3d_armor, playerplus, stamina, some potions and beds mod working all ok :) 15:20 lumberJ looks like a nice clean code base that doesn't overly complicate or bloat a simple task. 15:21 tenplus1 that's what I was hoping for, quick code that's easy to use... e.g. player sleeps in bed: pova.add_override("TenPlus1", "force", {speed = 0, jump = 0})) 15:21 tenplus1 suspends movement until "force" is removed with: pova.del_override("TenPlus1", "force") 15:22 tenplus1 and works with all mods using all effects 15:22 lumberJ also, importantly, easy to adapt without breaking core functions as game engine evolves 15:23 tenplus1 yeah, it still uses default function but adds to them so mods can safely co-exist 15:23 lumberJ nice, and suspending player movement works? 15:24 tenplus1 oh yes, the "force" addition puts all defaults and effects in the background and uses what you set until it's removed 15:24 lumberJ nice 15:24 tenplus1 the min and max put a ceiling and floor on effect numbers so it cant go above or below 15:24 tenplus1 and the "default" lets you set the BASE level to start from which is typically 1, 1, 1 anyway 15:25 tenplus1 time permitting I'll redo the potions mod to use this and have throwable potions for players to mess with 15:28 Jordach i found an easier way 15:28 tenplus1 do tell ? :P 15:28 Jordach when the player right cicks the bed 15:28 Jordach teleport them into the middle of the bed 15:28 Jordach and then a few moments later after the formspec spawns 15:28 Jordach teleport them again 15:28 Jordach that way you don't need to fiddle with any physics 15:29 Jordach since you can't move while formspecs are active 15:29 tenplus1 yeah, was wondering why bed had physics override anyway since formspecs are in-front when sleeping 15:29 * rdococ turns into a nuclear unicorn 15:29 tenplus1 ehehe hi rdococ 15:30 ThomasMonroe hey tenplus1 :) 15:30 rdococ In real life the bed doesn't tell you that you can only sleep at night 15:31 tenplus1 I changed code for Xanadu so that right-clicking on bed sets spawn point even if player doesnt sleep 15:31 Jordach tenplus1: i wrote my own beds code in sp 15:31 Jordach you can sleep at any time of day 15:31 tenplus1 :) even better 15:31 Jordach (and gives you the ability to use chat) 15:32 tenplus1 really ? dude, why isnt this in default 15:32 Jordach no commands, however 15:32 Jordach tenplus1: because fuck Minetest Game 15:32 tenplus1 ahahahahah 15:33 tenplus1 am still using your bucket mod on xanadu btw, works great 15:33 Jordach you can also define any node as a bed 15:33 Mr-Pardison so, you could make a chest your bed? 15:33 Jordach well 15:34 Jordach by define i mean a custom entry that only uses the beds on_rightclick functionality 15:34 Mr-Pardison ah 15:34 Jordach (and the requirement for basic facedir) 15:34 rdococ It'd be fun to have an acid liquid node 15:34 tenplus1 +100, we need corrosive liquids in-game 15:34 tenplus1 Jordach: may I see your code for beds plz ? 15:34 rdococ tenplus1: Instead of +100, say +10! 15:34 tenplus1 lol 15:34 rdococ tenplus1: The ! stands for factorial ;) 15:35 Jordach https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains/tree/mods/beds/init.lua 15:35 Jordach that link used to work 15:35 tenplus1 not found 15:35 tenplus1 do I need permissions to see ? 15:35 Jordach https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains/tree/master/mods/beds/init.lua 15:35 tenplus1 that works :) thanks 15:37 Jordach beds.sleep(pos, clicker, 0.4, "beds:red", "beds:red_active") is all you need to define 15:38 Jordach active is there to prevent others sleeping in the same bed 15:38 tenplus1 that's a good idea, default has 20 ppl slumming it 15:39 Jordach multiple people can respawn from the same bed 15:39 Jordach but only one sleeper at a tim 15:39 tenplus1 I like it :) will play with this mod a little 15:39 rdococ I'd like to see a chemistry mod that adds more metals, acids, and salts formed from the interaction of those metals and acids 15:40 tenplus1 ooh https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=20016 15:42 tenplus1 ahh https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19194 15:42 rdococ ehh 15:49 rdococ It should also be more survival-oriented and realistic than YouKnowWhat™ Cash Grab Edition™ beta™ chemistry kit 15:50 tenplus1 hey raven 15:50 Raven262 Hi ten 15:50 rdococ I wonder if IcyDiamond's melterns modpack has a mod that allows you to register custom inventory liquids (liquids that can be stored in nodes) 15:50 tenplus1 lol @ cash-grab-edition 15:51 rdococ tenplus1: I brought it when it was still the YouKnowWhat™ Mobile Port™ That is Worse than the Original™ 15:51 tenplus1 I tried the demo version on linux and it almost killed my net-top pc 15:51 tenplus1 fps was pathetic 15:52 rdococ I was able to get YKW to run on my computer, even if it was a little laggy it was playable 15:52 rdococ well, "playable" in-so-far as the framerate goes 15:52 tenplus1 much prefer mt :) get better results from game and modding :D 15:53 rdococ Agreed, in my experience Minetest definitely runs smoother, it's more flexible and open-source 15:53 rdococ "More flexible" as in you could easily create voxel games that don't even resemble MTG except for the fact that it's on a voxel grid 15:55 rdococ Not only that but if you're creating a game that takes place on set maps e.g. CTF or Gun Party, then it's extremely intuitive to create said maps 15:55 rdococ you simply go ingame, build it, and I think the worldedit mod allows you to save it as a schematic if you want to 15:55 tenplus1 I wonder what happened to the UFO game 15:56 Mr-Pardison government probably took it to area 51 15:56 Jordach >got shut out of the community for trying to make a buck from FOSS 15:56 Jordach really activates the almonds 15:56 Jordach how many GNU/freetards are here 15:56 tenplus1 damn 15:57 rdococ If you can't make a buck from FOSS then what is the point of trying to advocate it? People that exclusively work on and develop FOSS software would starve 15:57 Jordach quality costs money idiots, it's why [H]TURD never takes off :^) 15:57 tenplus1 [h]turd ?????? 15:57 rdococ The only way FOSS can overtake proprietary is if you can make a buck from it 15:57 Jordach GNU Hurd 15:57 Jordach aka the failure that got sound like 3 years ago 15:58 Mr-Pardison get a magician to turn FOSS into a deer ofc. 15:58 tenplus1 hi fussel 15:58 Jordach virgin HURD and chad Linux 15:58 rdococ chad? 15:58 IhrFussel Hi tenplus1 & others :) 15:58 Mr-Pardison cello IhrFussel 15:59 rdococ Jordach: I wouldn't be mad at software that is 100% cost-free but I do agree that not all FOSS software should be cost-free 15:59 Jordach i have an experiment to make at somepoint 15:59 tenplus1 ooh, experiments 16:00 Jordach a standard MTG server with a handful of mods 16:00 Jordach the catch is 16:00 Jordach people who donate to the server get it "bug free" 16:00 Jordach while people who do not see minor "bugs" 16:00 Mr-Pardison I'm poor so I couldn't afford that. 16:01 Jordach at the end of the experiment the original donations are refunded as a test 16:01 Jordach people equate spending money == quality 16:02 Jordach many of the tableteers in places with huge install bases such as india obviously won't 16:02 rdococ Depends on what the bugs are 16:02 Jordach things sometimes working as expected 16:02 Jordach or just oddly stop working at random 16:02 tenplus1 donating time in fixing bugs and adding new mods/features is a good start :D 16:02 rdococ How would that work on a server with both paying and non-paying players? 16:03 Jordach every node that does a function like a furnace checks against the list of donators 16:03 rdococ tenplus1: "Pay £1 for one bug fix" 16:03 Jordach ones that have, will have it work as expected 16:03 Jordach otherwise it'll be slightly faulty 16:04 Jordach donators would probably also get a custom coloured nick in chat 16:04 Jordach alongside other cosmetics 16:04 rdococ I wouldn't mind if Minetest servers gave donators cosmetics but the "faulty for non-donators" thing seems dumb 16:04 tenplus1 hats!!!!!!!!!!! 16:05 Jordach but the premise is: donating goes towards fixing bugs within minetest and other games using the minetest engine 16:05 Jordach or see c55's anarchy/order server a while back 16:05 rdococ Hm, fair enough...? 16:05 Jordach donating to MT would grant you access to the moderated area 16:06 tenplus1 you'll get players who donate that expect to become instant admin 16:06 rdococ Donations should never result in instant admin 16:06 Jordach tenplus1: not anymore since YKW had EULA upgrades :^) 16:06 rdococ Except if it's at least £1 million 16:06 Jordach they know better now :) 16:06 tenplus1 lol 16:07 Jordach you could tier it 16:07 rdococ I know YKW has/had an EULA in place preventing servers from essentially being p2w 16:07 Jordach £3 gets you a decorative node, £5 gets you a custom machine or furnace like object or chest 16:07 rdococ £1,000,000 gets you a real life yacht and admin privileges 16:07 Jordach kek 16:08 Jordach most server ops like rubenwardy's CTF could make quite a buck if donations were enabled for cosmetics 16:08 rdococ $2.5 billion gets you YKW 16:08 Jordach kek 16:08 Jordach *based Notch shitposting in the distance* 16:09 Jordach and most F2P players like me in TF2 crack out the wallet for cosmetics 16:09 Jordach i have a need for a e s t h e t i c s 16:09 Jordach (no really, i have that problem in warframe already, send help) 16:09 rdococ I don't, but whatever floats your boat 16:10 tenplus1 I do like adding things that players recommend/want, but I wouldnt like to charge for it 16:10 Jordach this is simply a thought experiment 16:10 rdococ tenplus1: Maybe donation goals with promised features once reached? 16:10 Jordach baseline is, people equate spent money to quality product 16:11 tenplus1 that forces a timescale 16:11 rdococ That's kinda like charging for it but more fair to people that can't afford it 16:11 tenplus1 and then devs./modders get annoyed 16:11 rdococ tenplus1: You could only set up the goals when the features are finished if you want 16:11 rdococ e.g. you finish the yay blob mod and *then* set a donation goal to add yay blobs to the server 16:11 rdococ That way nobody's constrained by time 16:12 Jordach at some point i'm thinking of adding donations for extra rewards 16:12 rdococ tenplus1: Of course, that should only apply for extra things that you develop yourself, as opposed to things like mesecons that are already on other servers 16:12 Jordach specifically for SP 16:13 Jordach but at some point i am most definitely removing wardrobe 16:24 Mr_Pardison I'm not a thief but I suppose that one could adapt to gathering loot. 16:25 shivajiva nice desensitisation therapy lol 16:25 tenplus1 throwable florbs containing acid... eek 16:26 Mr_Pardison you can melt someone. 16:26 shivajiva we need a moped mod clearly 16:26 Mr_Pardison hydrochloric acidwould dissolve them completely, leaving no items behind 16:26 rdococ There would also be bases 16:27 rdococ eg. sodium bicarbonate 16:27 Mr_Pardison ofc as it would allow you to get around a very large build faster (0r over flat terrain) 16:27 rdococ And bypass protection to reign corrosive tyranny over your new enemies' builds 16:28 rdococ ^ jk that shouldn't be in the mod 16:28 Mr_Pardison that would be interesting to see if it were (but would be akin to anarchy) 16:30 rdococ solar plains has some weird-looking stone 16:30 tenplus1 textures or some special stone ? 16:31 rdococ Texturea 16:31 rdococ s/texturea/textures/ 16:32 tenplus1 ahh... heh :) each server should have it's own look 16:32 rdococ Also, I was in a desert-like area and went into a grassy area but temperature is below freezing 16:34 rdococ Although now it's decreasing... maybe just a cold morning? 16:34 rdococ s/dec/inc/ 16:34 tenplus1 chilly nights in them there deserts :D 16:35 rdococ Although it is a nice breath of fresh air compared to MTG 16:36 tenplus1 :P 16:37 rdococ A breath of fresh, cold, below freezing air 16:37 rdococ Luckily, sprinting seems to heat me up 16:38 tenplus1 temp would be good in-game :) 16:42 tenplus1 clothes can have a heat value to keep you warm, same with standing next to hot nodes :D 16:43 Mr_Pardison lava bath. 16:43 rdococ wait, there's ironze in it? 16:43 rdococ what even is ironze 16:45 rdococ Hm, maybe they replaced the tin in the recipe with iron to make it simpler 16:46 rdococ well, compared to MTG's bronze 16:46 tenplus1 ironze = apple bronze :P 16:46 rdococ I am sad that cacti doesn't hurt you 16:47 rdococ It's a cactus, it should hurt you 16:47 tenplus1 it doesn when you have playerplus installed :DDD same with suffocation 16:49 rdococ playerplus requires MTG's default mod 16:49 rdococ I'm using solar plains 16:50 tenplus1 does solar plains have default:snow default:ice default:cactus ? 16:51 rdococ no, it's not based on MTG 16:51 tenplus1 it uses core: instead of default: 16:55 tenplus1 playerplus updated, default no longer required as dependency 16:55 Jordach kek 16:55 Jordach basing everything on MTG was a mistake 16:55 tenplus1 but, to work with SP change default: to core: for nodes 16:56 Jordach most of the names are the same 16:56 Jordach some are technically BFD with a new coat of paint and don't support 0.4.6 16:56 Jordach ;) 17:02 Jordach also, BSD > Linux jk 17:03 Jordach 😂 17:03 tenplus1 heh 17:04 tenplus1 hi tumeninodes 17:04 tumeninodes haha damn you're quick, Hi tenplus1 17:04 Jordach 11 is like that 17:04 tenplus1 o/ :P 17:04 tumeninodes hey Jordach 17:04 Jordach 😂 17:04 Mr-Pardison speedy 12-1 17:05 tenplus1 gotta go fast 17:05 tumeninodes in other news, Kenney has been quite busy https://twitter.com/Pixelandio 17:05 rdococ recursion > recursion 17:05 tumeninodes .... ugh, phone brb 17:06 Jordach inb4 i end up as part of Kenney's group with SP 17:06 tenplus1 pah! need to sign in to read it properly 17:06 * rdococ turns into twelve 17:06 * ThomasMonroe assumes a Mexican boy's voice for a lawn mower race 17:06 Mr_Pardison transport closed on me. 17:06 Mr_Pardison guh. 17:06 ThomasMonroe 'ello my name is Weedy Gonzalez :P 17:06 tenplus1 wb 17:07 Mr_Pardison XD & T.Hanks 17:09 tenplus1 lol, weedy... hi thomas 17:10 Jordach mmm 17:11 Jordach recliner chair + blanket + macbook + headphones 17:11 Mr_Pardison + nap 17:11 Mr_Pardison s/+/= 17:12 * Jordach instead turns up the bass 17:12 tenplus1 up to 11 :P 17:13 Mr_Pardison so, you? :P 17:14 * rdococ generates yay energy 17:15 * tenplus1 feels the yay 17:15 * rdococ explodes into yay radiation which mutates humans into yay blobs 17:16 Jordach nay 17:17 rdococ Jordach has yayed 17:17 * Mr_Pardison is a hooman 17:17 rdococ The yay infestation is here 17:18 Jordach 🤔 17:18 Jordach 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 17:18 rdococ YouKnowWhat™ Cash Grab Edition™ Beta™ 17:18 Jordach but at least the mobile app isn't literal cancer 17:19 Jordach it at least works properly 17:19 rdococ Which mobile app are you talking about? 17:19 rdococ as far as I know, both Minetest 0.5's and YKWCGE's mobile apps work, with the former working better 17:19 Jordach kek 17:22 Fixer [VAP] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw2pwDuCW_U 17:23 tenplus1 *le click* 17:23 rdococ VAP? 17:27 tenplus1 Very Agressive Player 17:27 tenplus1 hey Krock 17:27 Krock hi tenplus1 17:27 Krock >> SPEEDY << 17:27 tenplus1 :P 17:28 Krock ah man. The logs show that you were faster again :'( 17:28 tenplus1 sorry dude, my keyboard is magix 17:28 Krock ikr :D 17:28 tenplus1 https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0013/7202/products/sony-vegas-keyboard-backlit-pc-28779860234.jpg?v=1512488356 17:29 Shara Hi tenplus1 :) 17:29 Shara (you only beat him by sneaking in) 17:29 tenplus1 ehe, hey shara :D 17:29 Mr_Pardison true. 17:29 Krock the more colors, the faster your typing speed 17:29 Shara (it's the real reason I never leave the channel!!) 17:29 Krock Shara, forgot to hold Shift 17:29 tenplus1 yeah, am at 228wpm now :D 17:29 Shara Hehe 17:29 Mr_Pardison !!! 17:29 Krock wow nice 17:30 tenplus1 I added some new features to pova shara, has min/max/default/force now 17:30 Shara ohhhh 17:30 tenplus1 covers all sorts of things now :D 17:31 Shara I will have to do a proper review of it at some point 17:32 Shara I'm wondering if I should sneak the apples mod onto DL at some point, or maybe wait to see if you add this for everything in ethereal first :P 17:32 tenplus1 defo sneak it onto DL, would be an amazing feature to discover :D 17:32 Shara I'm sure Mr_Pardison would figure it out :) 17:32 tenplus1 ehehehe 17:33 Mr_Pardison I'm pretty good at finding stuff. 17:33 tenplus1 hey benrob 17:33 Mr_Pardison hola benrob0329 17:33 benrob0329 hey ten 17:33 Jordach ping 17:33 benrob0329 Jordach, pong 17:33 Jordach >plebian 17:33 Jordach real men use gentoo 17:33 tenplus1 nuuuuuu, not gnome3 17:34 Jordach benrob0329: don't make me move michigan further north 17:34 benrob0329 Jordach, Gentoo is like my lawnmower 17:34 benrob0329 Its good and reliable, until something breaks 17:34 Mr_Pardison loud and smelly? 17:35 tenplus1 lol... 17:35 benrob0329 then its more of a pain than it should be to fix, but once it is it runs better than anything else I've seen. 17:35 tenplus1 installed IceWM on 1804 to test, I keep going back to that for some reason, it's so simple 17:35 benrob0329 until it breaks again 17:35 Krock benrob0329, mind giving me some of that RAM? 17:35 tenplus1 16gb aint bad... am sitting with 4gb only after xmas upgrade from 2 :P 17:36 benrob0329 Krock, sorry, DDR4 doesn't work on decade old computers :P 17:36 Krock downgrade to DDR3 17:36 tenplus1 DDR17 is better 17:36 Krock 17! 17:36 tenplus1 rdoc's future self got me some 17:36 Krock whoa it's a factorial 17:38 benrob0329 I don't know which is more of a meme, hating systemd or hating Gnome3 17:38 benrob0329 or hating Pulseaudio 17:38 tumeninodes cinnamon = is da way 17:39 tenplus1 pulseaudio has redeemed itself... gnome3 is the new hate 17:39 benrob0329 I honestly think cinnamon is less customizable than gnome3 nowadays 17:39 tenplus1 tumeninodes: you kno da wae 17:39 tumeninodes nad as far as following Kenney, I don't use Twitter either but follow him here n there via blog n whutnot. I guess he sold his house to buy the new office and lives in an apt above 17:39 tenplus1 xfce is really good and fast, lxde.lxqt are gaining more popularoty 17:40 tumeninodes Ohhhhh, I kno da wae alright 17:40 benrob0329 People love to hate that gnome relies on extentions for customization, but love minetest because of mode 🤔 17:40 benrob0329 *mods 17:40 tenplus1 hi Helmasur 17:40 Krock tenplus1, they can't reply 17:40 tumeninodes cinnamon is more customizable..., if you has skillz ; ) 17:40 rdococ everything can be customized with enough skillz 17:41 tenplus1 aww.... tumeninodes try IceWM sometime :) it's tiny 17:41 Krock inb4 moderated channel here 17:41 Mr-Pardison methinks tenplus1 has a script that just says hi to everyone 17:41 benrob0329 tumeninodes, can cinnamon go from windows-like to mac-like in under a minute? 17:41 tumeninodes been there done that years ago [Ice] 17:41 tenplus1 lol, I've been found out... quick hibot, run.... 17:41 tumeninodes check themes online 17:41 benrob0329 in layout 17:41 tenplus1 I use Triskel theme on IceWM, looks great 17:42 benrob0329 I know the GTK themes exist, i've used them 17:42 tumeninodes good lord, is Ice even still maintained? 17:42 tenplus1 kinda wish there was a gtk3 for ThinIce... was my fav. theme 17:42 tenplus1 yeah, and it's been updated 17:43 tumeninodes I am unsure about Mac or Win layouts..., I don't like them :P 17:43 tumeninodes ... updated... (when)? last commit 17:43 tenplus1 icewm 1.4.3.0 pre 201802 17:43 tumeninodes well that's good anyway 17:44 tenplus1 custom menu, toolbar, has net/cpu/temp graphs built-in and all is good 17:44 tenplus1 140mb memory sitting on desktiop :D 17:44 tumeninodes E17 is lighter 17:44 tumeninodes but whacked 17:44 tenplus1 e17/e19 is amazing but yeah, so many options 17:45 benrob0329 tumeninodes, https://upload.totallynotashadyweb.site/f.php?h=1W5yCXJx&p=1 17:45 tumeninodes still no real cohesion to the madness though 17:45 benrob0329 enlightenment has a lot of unmaintained bits that don't work anymore 17:46 tumeninodes I used to love blackbox 17:46 tenplus1 http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1371/718938180_8aa0ee8835_o.jpg icewm 17:46 tumeninodes benrob, so true. Interest comes and goes in that arena 17:46 tenplus1 bb was amazing... I had bblean for winxp that was great, replaced whole desktop and used only 7zip as fm 17:47 tenplus1 the themes were great and very configurable... kinda wish gtk had a bb style theme 17:47 benrob0329 tenplus1, not even urxvt? 17:47 tenplus1 lol, I use lxterm and pcmanfm mostly :D 17:48 tumeninodes Ice, still looks... Nice 17:48 tenplus1 that's only 1 theme, can make it look like almost any os... for a simple wm 17:48 tumeninodes speaking of lx, lxde is pretty nice too 17:49 tenplus1 +100, using that on other desky :) 17:49 tenplus1 https://imgur.com/a/X8rqs screny 17:49 tumeninodes so clean and minimal 17:50 Jordach ew 17:50 tumeninodes nice desktop btw 17:50 tenplus1 yup :) so much workflow happening on that system 17:50 Jordach then again, i run everything on mac fullscreen with no dock or titlebars 17:50 tumeninodes hahaha Jordach the rebel 17:50 tenplus1 jordach loves alt+tab 17:50 tumeninodes CLI 17:51 Jordach tenplus1: i much prefer three fingers to swipe between open apps or three fingers upwards 17:51 Jordach goddamn fullscreened virtual desktops are magic 17:51 tenplus1 :P got vbox on 1 desktop to itself when needed, handy 17:51 tumeninodes "right-click to".... (looks at Mac mouse) :'( 17:52 Jordach double tap or use the bottom right of the touchpad 17:52 tumeninodes pssssh too much 17:52 tumeninodes iz so herd!!! 17:52 benrob0329 I'll stick with my headphone jacks thank you very much :P 17:52 tumeninodes omagerd 17:52 tenplus1 prefer kb alternative :P grew up in age when pc's had no mouse 17:52 Jordach >macbooks have headphone ports 17:53 tenplus1 hi Gael-de-Sailly 17:53 benrob0329 >supporting a company that took out functionality with no alternative that doesn't suck 17:53 tumeninodes "Mac put the P in proprietary" 17:54 tenplus1 love the yt video where the guy buys a new iphone and installs his own headphone jack that works :D 17:54 tumeninodes yet voids the warranty 17:54 tenplus1 jacks are handy 17:55 tumeninodes I sat on some jacks once as a kid... it was not so handy, or comfortable 17:55 tenplus1 4 or 6 arms ? 6 is more comfy 17:55 tumeninodes heh 17:57 tumeninodes wow... just looking, last BB release was 12 years ago o_0 17:57 tenplus1 I think openbox and fluxbox were latest renditions 17:58 tumeninodes forks n sporks 17:58 Mr-Pardison I prefer a salad fork. 17:58 tenplus1 open is in lxde which is good, flux has it's own systembar 17:58 benrob0329 OpenBox is pretty good as far as non-compositing WMs go 17:58 tumeninodes the flux capacitor tends to be glitchy 17:59 tenplus1 openbox has compton which has compositing :) special effects all around 17:59 Mr-Pardison tumeninodes: ask doc brown ti fix it. 17:59 tumeninodes OpenBox is still active I believe 17:59 tumeninodes doc! 17:59 tenplus1 very much so, lxde is based on it, lxqt also 18:00 tumeninodes I have been meaning to try lxqt out 18:00 tenplus1 lubuntu-next iso's are available... 18:00 tumeninodes does anyone remember the Athene DE? and their free WM? 18:01 tenplus1 never used that one, any good ? 18:01 tumeninodes Athene OS was unfree but they put out a WM which I played with for a bit back in.... 2007-ish? 18:02 tumeninodes it was fun, quite cartoony/kidish visually (icons n such) 18:02 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/zQGs6.png 18:02 tenplus1 looks like a netbook desktop 18:02 rubenwardy 60,000,000 photons simulated there 18:02 tumeninodes but was quick and stable but then died out 18:02 tenplus1 ooh nice 18:03 rdococ backzies™ 18:03 Mr-Pardison very nice. 18:03 tenplus1 latest Qt review says it's 200% faster in operation 18:03 tenplus1 ooh 18:03 Jordach QT is great 18:04 tenplus1 it'll take over gtk slow but sure 18:04 tumeninodes rubenwardy, how long are these simulations taking? 18:04 rdococ Hm, I wonder what the word "Microsoft" describes ;) 18:04 rubenwardy took 8 minutes to render that - that includes precomputation and actual rendering 18:04 rubenwardy precomputation is firing all 60 million photons and recording where they end up 18:04 tenplus1 science!!!! 18:05 rubenwardy yes!!! 18:05 Mr-Pardison physics! 18:05 tumeninodes Microsoft = the eaxact opposite of the company business plan on 2 counts 18:05 tumeninodes -a 18:05 rubenwardy it takes only 10 seconds to simulate 1 million photons though 18:06 tenplus1 swap prolly kicks in after 1 million and slows it all down 18:06 tumeninodes but, what are you going to do with all those photons when the lesson is finished? 18:07 tumeninodes 60,000,000 orphaned/refugee photons, in the world, where will they go? 18:07 tenplus1 sprinkle them on donuts 18:07 tumeninodes phonuts? 0_o 18:07 tenplus1 om nom nom... tastes like science 18:08 tumeninodes hey... you're going all staticky 18:08 benrob0329 tbh, I don't really like Qt most of the time 18:08 * tenplus1 splits into colours 18:08 Mr-Pardison tastes like very fast food. 18:08 Mr-Pardison and kind of wavy too. 18:08 tumeninodes QT is the future... global domination 18:09 rubenwardy Also, to render that image it took 3.7GB of ram 18:09 tenplus1 Qt is supposidly easier to write for, faster and more optimized than gtk 18:09 rdococ I can't wait for communism_game 18:09 benrob0329 GObject is the future, language independent bindings ftw :P 18:09 tenplus1 lol rdococ, red and blue sides 18:10 benrob0329 tenplus1, if you can find bindings, and on top of that find bindings that don't suck 18:10 Mr-Pardison rdococ: comrade, we need more vodka! 18:10 tenplus1 MUI was only 86kb and a very configurable gui for desktops, but is paid 18:10 benrob0329 and then if you want a plugin interface you have to create binding for that for the language you want 18:10 tumeninodes less costs more 18:11 tenplus1 kinda like blackbox with colours, lines, gradients etc. but also uses bitmaps :) very configurable gui where each app could have it's own style./theme 18:12 tenplus1 http://forum.amiga.sk/image/AmiKit8/mui4.png 18:12 tumeninodes amiga is still kicking... nostalgists keep it alive on life support 18:13 tenplus1 AmigaOS 4.1 is available now :) looks good 18:13 tumeninodes heh OS2 18:13 tumeninodes yep I have seen that 18:14 Jordach tenplus1: https://i.imgur.com/JDI3dSH.png 18:14 Fixer CHA CHA 18:14 Jordach and when i'm flipping through my fullscreen virtual desktops https://i.imgur.com/QTYu3Xp.png 18:14 tenplus1 heh, neat... 18:15 tenplus1 http://www.m4rko.com/amiga/gfx/screenshots.of.amigaos/20150605-AmigaOS%204.1%20FE-Update%208-Workbench-AOS4.1u8.png 18:15 Jordach motorold 80040 amigas were macs with more horsepower 18:15 Mr-Pardison Jordach: senor whiskers looking at you expecting food as the desktop? 18:16 tenplus1 at that point in time AmigaOS was better than macos and had mroe features than pc's at the same era 18:16 Jordach Mr-Pardison: probably about 8 months old in the picture 18:16 tenplus1 AGA graphics was mind blowing 18:16 Jordach too right 18:17 Jordach until doom rolled it's sleeves up 18:17 rdococ Hm, you could probably monitor positions in an ABM to determine when a new ABM step has begun 18:17 Jordach tenplus1: if you see pages open i might be working on a certain SP Lore book 18:17 Jordach ;) 18:17 tenplus1 will slowly move amb's to nodetimers for my mods over time 18:17 rdococ Depends if the ABMs are done in order though 18:18 * tumeninodes had a Spark 0_o 18:18 tenplus1 fire!!!! 18:18 rdococ Node timers are different to ABMs though since they're per-node 18:18 rdococ Meaning that if cellular automata used it, cells could be out of sync with eachother 18:18 Mr-Pardison have to hop, brb 18:19 tenplus1 gotta find a way to make mobs spawn without abm's 18:19 Jordach rdococ: you can cheat 18:19 tenplus1 was thinking globalstep around player 18:19 Jordach if ABMs are out of sync 18:20 Shara Ten, is that really better? 18:20 tenplus1 I have a routine in mind that runs once only and can spawn ANY mod 18:20 tenplus1 *mob 18:20 rdococ Jordach: ABMs being out of sync would be weird 18:20 Shara I guess it depends how many nodes you are checking 18:20 tenplus1 instead of an abm per mob 18:20 Jordach then have a mod wide frame count 18:20 Jordach aka count up to a certain value and then keep going 18:20 Jordach if some automata are on frame 2 where it's been evaluated and some are frame 1 18:21 Jordach evaluate the frame 1 but leave the frame 2 cells 18:21 rdococ If the ABM doesn't take too long, you could probably use system uptime to determine when a new ABM step begins 18:22 rdococ Say you start with a stored uptime value of 0. on each node, if the current uptime minus the stored uptime value is large enough then you know a new ABM step has begun and you update the stored uptime variable 18:23 tenplus1 wont writing meta slow things down further ? 18:23 rdococ It wouldn't be stored in meta, it would be a mod-wide variable in lua 18:23 tenplus1 ahh 18:23 rdococ I wonder how the core manages it when an ABM takes longer than 1 second to complete 18:24 rdococ say it has a step of 1 second but takes longer than 1 second to run 18:24 rdococ s/step/interval/ 18:25 tenplus1 I wonder if nodes listed for abm has a check against it so it knows when running/finished 18:26 tenplus1 wait, wasnt there an issue/idea on how to optimize abm's added 18:27 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7280 18:27 tenplus1 !title 18:27 MinetestBot tenplus1: Possible (massive) ABM performance impact reduction · Issue #7280 · minetest/minetest · GitHub 18:28 tenplus1 wb mister 18:29 tumeninodes I wonder when Minetest will get a build for this :P https://www.oracle.com/solaris/solaris11/index.html 18:30 tenplus1 *shudder* will stick with linux 18:30 Mr-Pardison MT should bet a build for Solus 18:30 tumeninodes "My name, is Mr-Pardison... but my friends call me, Mr-Pardison" 18:30 tenplus1 lol 18:30 tumeninodes Solaris is extremely secure 18:31 tenplus1 what's the hardware support like 18:31 Mr-Pardison my name is Alexander Hamilton but my friends call me Mr-Pardison 18:31 tenplus1 o.O 18:31 tenplus1 did you just doxx yourself 18:31 tumeninodes ten "proprietary" :D j/k 18:31 rdococ Yays 18:32 tumeninodes http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/hcl/hcl-oracle-systems-sparc-results-view-page-1520059.html 18:32 Mr-Pardison tenplus1: I'm referencing something. 18:32 tenplus1 ohhhh, phew :P 18:33 tenplus1 only alex hamilton I know is american founding father 18:33 Mr-Pardison that's the one. 18:33 tenplus1 ooh, nice :P 18:33 tumeninodes There are quite a few in the Phone Directories 18:33 lumberJ Mr-Pardison, what did you you mean "bet" a build for Solus? 18:34 Mr-Pardison oh lol 18:34 Mr-Pardison speed typing caused that error. 18:34 Mr-Pardison meant get 18:34 lumberJ ok thought so 18:34 * tenplus1 used an old sparc setup and didnt like it 18:34 lumberJ mt is already in Solus' repo 18:34 lumberJ 0.4.16 18:34 tumeninodes hey now, I had one and loved it 18:35 tumeninodes ultra5 babay 18:35 tenplus1 heh, was slow compared to other systems I used at the time 18:35 lumberJ i also posted in the forums the packages needed to compile on Solus a couple weeks or so ago 18:36 tenplus1 http://www.itinstock.com/ekmps/shops/itinstock/images/Sun-Ultra-Enterprise-450-4x-Ultra-Sparc-400Mhz-512MB-DDS3-Tape-Drive-Server-31150-p.jpg 18:36 lumberJ mt forum* 18:36 tenplus1 that's the one I used 18:36 tumeninodes solid server 18:37 tenplus1 true, was ok for 400mhz 18:38 tumeninodes newest oracle machines are actually right there with PC and Mac but spensive and basically serves to corp end use 18:39 tenplus1 oh yeah, this held financial and purchasing databases on it for the place I worked... got VERY hot also 18:39 tumeninodes Clean room and full on A/C 18:40 tenplus1 funny to think a raspberry pi has more power and only needs 2 watts instead of 500watts to run 18:40 tumeninodes pi's are still not as mainstream as it was hoped to be though 18:41 tenplus1 they brought a standard in small board pc's... I like that :) the asus tinkerboard is really good tho 18:42 tumeninodes I have to start getting ready for an appt, then some graphics and modding laterz 18:43 tenplus1 :P have fun 18:54 tenplus1 hi fussel, phone working ok now ? 19:09 IhrFussel tenplus1, As far as I can tell it behaves normally when the screen is turned on, but can behave falsely when it's turned off (big drop in % or skipping %) 19:10 IhrFussel Everything right now points to an OS bug that only happens in stand-by 19:10 tenplus1 strange issue... still under warranty ? 19:11 IhrFussel It's 2 months old 19:11 tenplus1 damn, what kinda phone ? 19:11 IhrFussel Krock, so is it normal for it to jump around in voltage below 10%? 19:12 Krock IhrFussel, totally normal. you won't get reliable measure results there 19:12 Krock and somewhen the underload protection kicks in and the phone is ded 19:13 IhrFussel 2% was @ 3585mV and 1% @ 3447 mV 19:14 Krock http://siliconlightworks.com/image/data/Info_Pages/Li-ion%20Discharge%20Voltage%20Curve%20Typical.jpg 19:14 IhrFussel Krock, and is it normal (when charging) that the voltage goes high very quickly? It's already 3730mV now again @ 8% 19:15 Krock I believe your 1% equals something like 10% of the actual charge to not destroy the accumulator 19:15 Krock IhrFussel, when it goes down fast, it'll go up fast in reverse.. seems logical 19:16 IhrFussel But I mean when not charging it reaches 3.8 V @ ~ 50% ... when charging it reaches that way earlier...like at 30 19:16 tenplus1 shoudl always charge a phone when 60% or more on battery 19:16 Krock uh well I could try to explain that but tbh it's better for me to do my last work and go off here. bai peeps 19:17 Krock * go off here and do my last work 19:20 IhrFussel I just wanna know if that's nothing to worry about... when my battery voltage reaches 3.8V on charge earlier and "stalls" kinda until the % reach a higher number 19:22 tenplus1 wb Jordach 19:56 tenplus1 nite folks o/ 20:02 Mr-Pardison g2g cya 20:59 Fixer a c c u m u l a t o r 21:18 Fixer this is NICE http://wiki.sk89q.com/wiki/CraftBook 22:12 Mr_Pardison sup 22:25 Fixer [gate] [bridge] on signs noted 22:25 Fixer right clicking activates 22:25 Fixer also can be active on player approach 22:29 Fixer custom text in chat when activated (if needed): gate moved, etc