Time  Nick        Message
00:42 rdococ      Minetest 0.5 still likes to randomly crash on me
00:52 paramat     any error message?
01:03 rdococ      Only in the terminal
01:06 rdococ      It wasn't a segfault but I did see "core dumped"... see if you can reproduce by simply remaining in a world for a few minutes
01:07 rdococ      Although if other people were experiencing this issue then I think it would already be on github
01:07 rdococ      especially considering how easy it seems to be to reproduce
01:08 paramat     any error message other than 'core dumped'?
01:08 paramat     and what commit are you on?
01:08 rdococ      'core dumped' was at the end of the error message which was tons of lines but I don't have a copy of those lines at the moment
01:09 rdococ      I'm going to see if I can reproduce it then I will tell you more details
01:09 rdococ      Sometimes it happens when exiting a world
01:10 rdococ      Other times it appears to be completely random
01:10 paramat     ok a paste of issue with the message will help
01:10 paramat     *paste or issue
01:10 rdococ      It most definitely will, and I will provide one when it happens again
01:15 rdococ      I do know atm though that it has happened several times
01:16 rdococ      Although it doesn't seem to be happening right now, oddly enough
01:17 rdococ      It just happened, but with a different and much shorter error message than last time
01:19 rdococ      "double free or corruption (out)" followed by "Aborted (core dumped)". I was trying to exit to the menu at that time and it only seems to occur after you've played a while in the world (In the same session I quit to the menu several times without an error).
01:20 rdococ      I am using a few mods - one of them sets player HUD positions every globalstep to show which direction you're facing (a compass HUD mod but it scrolls left to right), another was player_textures, and the last one was a mod which added damage to falling nodes
01:20 rdococ      The only other mods I was using were in MTG
01:21 rdococ      I'm beginning to think this might be a problem with my HDD considering the circumstances
01:21 rdococ      But I cannot know for sure
01:27 rdococ      I looked online and I don't think it's to do with my HDD
06:43 MinetestBot lumberJ: Apr-21 08:22 UTC <Krock> What happened to your server? It was online a few months ago - did you shut it down permanently?
09:09 Krock       !tell rubenwardy [CTF] The afk kicker notifies each server step, but should do all 1 or 2s. Where do I submit the PR? Also: your server is cheating: https://i.imgur.com/PUZ0M7x.png
09:09 MinetestBot Krock: I'll pass that on when rubenwardy is around
09:09 Krock       <3 MinetestBot
09:09 MinetestBot <3 Krock
09:10 Krock       Funny side-effect of letting some privileged people in :D
10:19 rubenwardy  Krock: capturetheflag repo
10:19 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Apr-22 09:09 UTC <Krock> [CTF] The afk kicker notifies each server step, but should do all 1 or 2s. Where do I submit the PR? Also: your server is cheating: https://i.imgur.com/PUZ0M7x.png
10:19 rubenwardy  But the upstream mod is at gunshippenguin
10:19 rubenwardy  I think I made some modifications already
10:19 rubenwardy  And yeah, players above a certain score skip the user limit check
10:28 Krock       time to >>fork<<
10:30 Krock       I see
10:32 Krock       I somehow like how faulty the mechanism in afkkick is
10:37 Krock       hmm.. Lua, why won't you allow me to use   local was_one = foo == 1 and foo = 0
13:00 Krock       can anyone confirm that minetest.get_background_escape_sequence works? Trying to use it here without success
13:07 Krock       tested in chat, CSM formspec and SSM formspec. none of them seems to work
13:10 * xerox123  is working on setting up the IRC stats again
13:11 * rdococ    turns into a gun, and parties
13:13 xerox123    note: there will be a one month gap in the middle :(
13:26 rdococ      I can't wait for updates to Gun Party server
13:43 IhrFussel   Hi guys... lol how can someone ask if MT is discontinued when the news section recently announced a (false) release date of a new version
13:46 Krock       old news
13:48 xerox123    as opposed to fake news
13:52 IhrFussel   Sometimes the line between being not so clever and being a troll is very blurry
13:52 rdococ      why would anyone think MT is being discontinued?
13:52 rdococ      0.5.0-dev clearly shows that it isn't
13:52 IhrFussel   rdococ, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=20000
13:55 IhrFussel   "Are you the real admin?" "Yes why?" "OMG I love you i love you i love you" << crazy world
13:55 Shara       That just translates to "give me privs/items/random unspecified free stuff"
13:56 IhrFussel   "i'm your biggest fan" now it starts to sound like trolling
13:56 Shara       Fussel, I've even had marriage proposals from players like this (wish I was joking)
13:57 Shara       If it gets too much, revoking shout is a good plan :)
13:58 IhrFussel   Didn't ask for any privs so far just "im gonna die talking to the admin" and lots of hearts... how random
13:59 Shara       People don't always ask for something when they want something
14:00 Shara       They want you to "love" them back.. so you'll do things for them.
14:01 IhrFussel   "lord of this server" *cringe*
14:01 Shara       Hahaha
14:01 Shara       Well maybe you shouldn't label yourself as admin so clearly
14:01 Shara       I don't even play from an account with full privs on mine
14:04 rubenwardy  Same ^
14:04 rubenwardy  I don't even play as rubenwardy on my server
14:04 IhrFussel   I do that to signal my players that I'm the real admin...there were several accounts that tried to impersonate me ... the worst was "IhrFusseI" cause many couldn't recognize the uppercase I at the end
14:04 Shara       Players can just do /privs to check
14:04 Shara       And you should of course ban that person right away
14:05 xerox123    I'm sure alot of players aren't aware of /privs
14:05 IhrFussel   Many players don't even know that command
14:05 Shara       Doesn't much matter
14:05 Shara       Ban someone who admins impersonates, and it's not like they have the privs to actually do anything
14:05 Shara       admin*
14:05 IhrFussel   Many players don't even know /spawn even though there is a command info at spawn ... very young people barely understand what commands are
14:06 Shara       You have moderators, and they should be smart enough to recognise it's not you (otherwise they shouldn't be moderators)
14:06 IhrFussel   The impersonater then gave the younger ones instructions cause no staff was online, and they did what he told them to...that was very bad, so I decided to mark my name ingame red
14:07 Shara       You realise this isn't normal on servers? If someone joins for the first time and you are not online, they could still fall for that just as easily
14:09 IhrFussel   But this way my active players can tell them that the name must be red in order to be real
14:10 Shara       It also gives trouble makers an easy way, at a glance, to see when no moderators are online.. and to save their troubles for those moments
14:10 Shara       Fussel, your active players could also just tell them it's not the admin
14:10 IhrFussel   There are some 3rd-party clients that are based on 0.4.11 still so those players would see every player name as white...but those should be only a few
14:12 IhrFussel   Bad players generally wait until no staff is online...it doesn't matter if they can see it right away or got to check /privs for all players online ... they would find out sooner or later or just break rules and hope that no one, who could punish them, is online
14:13 Shara       You basically make yourself a target to the lazy ones though.
14:13 Shara       Flagging yourself as admin mostly seems like an ego thing to me.
14:15 IhrFussel   There is a report system for stuff that happens while no staff was there...when a player uses it the command will not only save the reported player/reason but also the recent chat log...moderators then can go through the reports without having to read the entire chat history of thousands of messages
14:16 xerox123    [off[ is there anyone who doesnt want to be on the stats page?
14:16 IhrFussel   There is also a (very primitive) word filter that kicks players if they say certain things in the chat
14:18 IhrFussel   It's not about ego Shara, you can see it from 2 perspectives: One is the "I'm the admin and the greatest on this server, look at me!!11" but the other is "If you need me urgently then you will know I'm here and you can even recognize my name inside a bunch of other player names"
14:18 Shara       Fussel, we'll just agree to disagree
14:19 IhrFussel   I could also use /hide to hide my name on the map...I (almost) never use it because I don't want to hide from players in need
14:19 IcyDiamond  hey IhrFussel
14:20 IhrFussel   Hi there IcyDiamond =)
14:21 IhrFussel   I feel like certain players feel safer when they know staff is around
14:21 IhrFussel   Is that just me?
14:22 Shara       Some will. Others will feel less safe.
14:23 IhrFussel   You can't please everyone...the ones who feel "watched" can simply do /hide and be "gone"
14:23 IhrFussel   It's unlikely that a moderator or me will tp to hidden players without good reason
14:25 Shara       The point is that they don't know that. And why should they feel the need to hide anyway?
14:26 IcyDiamond  has anyone tried to xray in minetest yet?
14:26 IcyDiamond  lmao
14:26 IhrFussel   I mean if they feel like "staff is watching over me" then they can just "disappear" from the map
14:27 IhrFussel   I don't have the spectator mod which I find highly questionable to use without warning the player
14:27 IhrFussel   It's simply stalking to me
14:27 IcyDiamond  yeah
14:29 rdococ      hm, idea: a game like The Stanley Parable (but different ofc)
14:34 IhrFussel   I also have the opinion that hiding privs from players is wrong on a server... every player should have the right to see what the requested player can do on the server
14:36 IhrFussel   And I'm glad that the /privs command doesn't require any staff privs to be executed by default
15:38 IcyDiamond  how is that [off]
15:38 IcyDiamond  and its not up for me
15:38 IcyDiamond  :P
15:40 Krock       it's down, xerox123
15:41 Krock       nvm.. seems to work the 2nd time
15:41 xerox123    fixed
15:41 xerox123    updated every third hour
15:42 Krock       not bad. megaf being on rank 1 but wasn't seen for over a month :D
15:42 IcyDiamond  im 5th this month
15:42 IcyDiamond  woo
15:43 xerox123    lots a bunch of logs between somepoint in March to a few days ago
15:44 xerox123    11/3-16/4 specifically, if you have a ZNC that has logs between then Id appreciate it
15:45 xerox123    :P
15:45 * Krock     slaps Krock
15:46 xerox123    once again, if you want to be removed for any reason let me know
15:47 * rdococ    enters a cloning machine
15:47 Krock       actually Minetest is used about 2x as often than any other 8-character word. must be a coincidence
15:48 rdococ      hm, I wonder why that is
15:49 xerox123    oh, need to group Roger9 and rdococ
15:50 Krock       rdococ, I'd be ready for the Gun Party sniping now. zooming (hacky unlock) does now reduce the mouse sensitivity
15:50 xerox123    rdococ has overtaken krock now
15:50 Krock       xerox123, sad but true
15:51 rdococ      Krock: cool
15:52 rdococ      I think regeneration while sneaking and not holding a weapon would also be a nice addition
15:54 xerox123    gunparty?
15:55 rdococ      yes
15:55 Krock       http://krock-works.16mb.com/u/smooth_camera-2018-04-22_17.52.45.mp4
16:03 xerox123    someone else join gunparty
16:03 rdococ      I need a teammate in Gun Party
16:03 Krock       poor rdococ :D
16:03 rdococ      then we all got bored and left
16:11 rdococ      It's weird that there's no minetest hardcore mod. it would be very simple: when you die, it would revoke all privs from you then it would grant fly, fast and noclip (also known as "spectator mode")
16:12 rdococ      Unless you have the hardcore_bypass priv
16:12 rubenwardy  or just corrupt the world when you die
16:12 rubenwardy  permadeath
16:12 rdococ      that would work too, I suppose
16:12 rdococ      I was going based on newer versions of YKW, but the mod could also ban the player for dying
16:16 IhrFussel   Opinion wanted: One of your players finds a building out of rare materials and griefs it...the building is unprotected and the player who built it once has been deleted cause of inactivity ... do you let the player keep the materials?
16:16 Krock       yes.
16:16 rdococ      If that player rejoins, will they still spawn in that building or has that player been deleted entirely?
16:16 rubenwardy  if it's against the rules then no
16:16 Krock       perhaps announce that there's a treasure grief parts to the other people who might want some too
16:17 rubenwardy  if it's more of a survival server then it's fine
16:18 IhrFussel   It's a survival server... so I shouldn't care about "unbalanced" distribution of materials if only a few players are very rich and the others are not?
16:19 IhrFussel   The better quuestion would be: How do you deal with rich players vs poor players
16:19 IhrFussel   question*
16:20 rubenwardy  well, IRL there's splitting up of monopolies
16:20 rubenwardy  but that doesn't work as ownership is 1 to 1
16:20 rubenwardy  so maybe taxation
16:20 rubenwardy  or just don't worry
16:20 rdococ      Is there a way to prevent the player from seeing the "You died" screen and being teleported back to his spawn point when that player dies?
16:20 rubenwardy  as the world is infinite anyway
16:22 IhrFussel   rubenwardy, you mean tax rich players more? That would only be possible if there was a history of things stored in meta objects
16:22 rubenwardy  well, up to you
16:22 rubenwardy  hmmm
16:22 rubenwardy  f*** it
16:24 Krock       rdococ, add a on_damage callback that interrupts when the HP would reach or go below 0, then call the on_dieplayer callbacks manually
16:29 rdococ      Hm, falling node damage should have its own reason rather than using :punch()
16:29 rdococ      If an on_dieplayer callback sets the player's HP to something higher than 0, what happens?
16:29 rdococ      I'm gonna experiment
16:29 rdococ      Interesting. If on_dieplayer sets the player's HP to something higher than 0 then the player sees the "You died" message but you don't teleport back
16:33 rdococ      I tried the same experiment with on_hpchange and Minetest crashed, probably since the callback that is called when the player's HP is changed changes the player's HP, causing an infinite loop
16:33 rdococ      Well, it's close enough to hardcore mode. It makes Minetest crash when you die!
16:33 Krock       not the client will crash. the server does.
16:34 rdococ      Yes, I am aware of that
16:38 rdococ      On a singleplayer world, the player will still retain some privs that they shouldn't have if they die in hardcore mode, but I'm okay with that since it's their world and they should be able to do whatever with it
16:42 rdococ      I did find a mod that bans you when you die
16:45 rdococ      I'm going to start testing mods in backport-0.4 until 0.5 stable releases
16:46 rdococ      Except for mods that require 0.5 features, of course
16:58 IhrFussel   rdococ, a server with that mod should put a *huge* warning on join that tells you that..otherwise many will complain in the forum probably "server banned me for no reason!"
16:58 rdococ      IhrFussel: Definitely true
16:58 rdococ      IhrFussel: But people will probably still complain about that
16:59 IhrFussel   But they knew that it would happen then...still better
16:59 rdococ      I'm going to see if I can override the default "You died!" message
16:59 IhrFussel   But the server would have many trash accounts then...I imagine 100+ per day would die easily
17:00 IhrFussel   It's hard coded AFAIK
17:01 IhrFussel   What you can do maybe is return 0 on hp_change and show your custom formspec...and after receiving that kill the player normally by returning -20 in the hp callback
17:02 rdococ      I could use a hp change modifier but there's no guarantee (or even chance) that it will get the final hp change
17:02 IhrFussel   Will be more complicated in 0.5.0 since max hp can be customized then
17:02 rdococ      I'm pretty sure 0.4.17 already had max hp customization settings though
17:03 rdococ      unless they were buggy
17:03 IhrFussel   There is a flag in the callback that makes sure you get the modified HP...not sure if it's also the final one then
17:03 IhrFussel   Nope, max hp doesn't exist in 0.4.17 for players
17:03 rdococ      huh, really?
17:03 rdococ      weird
17:04 rdococ      I remember it existing in 0.4.16
17:04 IhrFussel   Nope, it's newly added in 0.5.0
17:04 rdococ      but being buggy... is that the case?
17:04 rdococ      nvm
17:07 IhrFussel   It was added in the lua api doc...that was an error though
17:07 IhrFussel   doc for 0.4.17*
17:13 IhrFussel   Calling minetest.chat_send_player() on a non-connected player is safe correct?
17:13 IhrFussel   Or do I need to check its object before?
17:15 rdococ      Test it on a singleplayer world
17:16 Krock       IhrFussel, no error is thrown if the player can't be found
17:18 IcyDiamond  IhrFussel: how much of your server have you written yourself
17:24 IhrFussel   IcyDiamond, I downloaded lots of stock mods and started modifying them the way I wanted to...sometimes I only changed a few values other times I ended up adding new features (for example genders, levels, ratings and custom nametag displays in Mobs Redo)
17:25 IcyDiamond  nice
17:26 IhrFussel   Modifying existing mods isn't as difficult as writing one from scratch...but I also did that for a few...for example the server events plus ingame weekday system are written from scratch
17:27 IcyDiamond  :P
17:28 Krock       IhrFussel, I hope for you these are still git repos you can rebase
17:28 rdococ      Hm, I wonder how you would get around people making extra accounts on permadeath servers
17:29 IhrFussel   Someone asked me if I could make it a (sub) game but to be honest lots of them depend on so many other mods that I couldn't make it a standalone sub game...I tweaked too many mods and added dependencies on each other to make sure the player level system works correctly for example
17:29 rdococ      Idea: Players could get temporary permadeath resistance so they can't die for the first 20 minutes they play
17:30 IhrFussel   Krock, nope, I have to update them one-by-one (well most of them) ... but many mods aren't really maintained anymore, so I just live with what I got
17:33 IhrFussel   There are some critical mods that I update regularly though..like worldedit
17:34 IhrFussel   Mods where a possible exploit could potentially harm the server a lot
17:35 Krock       oh well, if you have the time to do that..
17:36 Krock       rdococ, yay nice. let's create a secondary acc and drop them a sword to kill everybody around
17:36 IhrFussel   Currently I have no school and no job so...basically I have all day to manage the server
17:37 rdococ      Krock: I meant can't die *permanently*, they'll just respawn
18:50 rdococ      where is heart.png stored?
18:50 rdococ      ah, default mod, interesting
19:06 rdococ      hm, weird, my mod defines a new heart.png texture but the health bar doesn't change. I also tried getting the mod to replace the health bar's definition but that didn't work either
19:06 Krock       try with 0.4.17-dev if you didn't do that yet
19:07 rdococ      I'm using 0.4.17-dev to test my mods as of recently because 0.5.0 kept crashing
19:07 rdococ      will make a github issue about it
19:14 sofar       I think you have to change the HUD to make sure it's overridden
19:22 rdococ      sofar: That doesn't seem to work either
19:23 rdococ      I got it to work by changing the name of the permadeath heart
19:24 rdococ      although it bugs me that the hearts aren't scaled to integers, and they are scaled with nearest neighbor interpolation so they look weird
19:24 rdococ      but that's more of a low priority issue
19:45 tenplus1    hi folkas
19:45 tenplus1    *folks
19:45 IcyDiamond  hey 11
19:45 tenplus1    hi Icy
20:18 tenplus1    nitefolks
20:29 Jordach     >apple thunderbolt display does not support displayport audio over active hdmi
20:29 Jordach     >audio device LG Ultrawide
20:29 Jordach     uh
20:38 sofar       ew
20:38 sofar       I was worried that I couldn't get audio over thunderbolt-to-DP1.2 on my new NUC, but that worked great
20:47 rdococ      How does Minetest calculate H-FOV and V-FOV from the FOV setting?
20:53 rdococ      Found it, camera.cpp
21:27 Fixer       HEY LITTLE DRUM
22:05 * rdococ    drums on Fixer
22:25 rdococ      I was thinking of creating a mod that's like pipeworks but allows you to transport liquids other than just water
22:29 Fixer       pipeworks only transports water?
22:32 Fixer       i was expecting any liquids...
22:54 rdococ      Last time I checked, it was just water
22:56 Fixer       heh
22:57 Fixer       what is the purpose of that mod?